A's/Twins/Mets Blockbuster worthy of own thread

for Haren?

come out huge winners in that trade if it goes down, I feel.

Losing Haren would hurt but that's a sweet, sweet return. Johnson and Crosby are dead weight anyway.

it's a threat

So is this like a threat level Orange or Red?

in one version he ends up with the A's and the other he ends up with the Twins.  He is obviously the key negotiating piece that is holding up this absolutely realistic blockbuster (being that which team he ends up on changed in the middle of typing the made-up, I mean legitimate, rumor).  So, that begs the question, who the hell is Hector Pellot?    

But goodness would that be an awesome trade.

trade to go down. the Lester/Crisp/etc deal is much better for them in the long run unless they're banking on trading Haren in 2 seasons.

but would be sweet deal if it went down.  

but it would make more sense if we were getting a more ML ready pitcher in return ...

Reyes has the same service time as Haren. It's not rebuilding, just switching one really good player for another. It doesn't really help the team next year, and Reyes is gone after 2010.

for the Twins, who are trading one year of Santana, the best pitcher in baseball, for three years of Haren, who is not quite as good but still a legit #1 starter.

From the A's point of view it's ok. Reyes is exciting and gets a lot of press, but Haren is quietly just as valuable. It looks like Mulvey profiles as a mid-rotation starter at best. All in all, I guess that's a good deal, but it doesn't vault us into contention with the likes of the Red Sox either now or in the near future.

That would make the big loser the Mets, who are trading four years of Reyes at below-market cost for 1 year of Santana, plus the right to give him an expensive extension.

Oh well, it's probably just a bullshit rumor anyway.

Isn't it possible that if Beane acquired Reyes he might try to flip for some more young talent in order to complete the rebuilding.

One person in the comments section of the rumor called Haren "an often injured pitcher"

I don't think I would do it.

I got caught up in the hype of Jose Reyes, which comes most likely because he is from a New York team. But look at his stats last year.

.280/.354/.421/.775 with 12 HR in 681 AB

By comparison, we have this little 2B who no one outside of Oakland has heard about who put up this line last year.

.276/.336/.441/.777 with 19 HR in 583 AB

Comparing their Career #'s:
Reyes: .284/.330/.426/.756
Ellis: .271/.340/.414/.754

So it seems to me like Reyes = Younger version of Ellis + Speed.

In fact, Baseball-Reference says that Reyes's most simular batter, with a score of 933, is... MARK ELLIS! Followed by Orlando Hudson.

This looks good but apparently it is total fabrication. If it wasn't I think Beane would trade direct with the Mets.

December 05, 2007
3-way deal a "total fabrication"
By JOEL SHERMAN
OK before it goes any further, let us kill a rumor that went from gestation at somebody’s computer to rampant chatter in the hallways at the Winter Meetings.
The rumor was a three-way trade with many participants, but that essentially came down to Dan Haren going to Minnesota, Jose Reyes going to Oakland, and Johan Santana going to the Mets.
Omar Minaya reiterated that Reyes is not being traded, which instantly doomed the idea. So did the fact that Minaya and Oakland GM Billy Beane have exchanged phone messages and e-mails, but have not talked at these meetings as of early tonight.
But for the final word, we offer this gem from Beane: "I rarely comment on trades publicly, but let me comment on this one: It is an absolute, total fabrication."

Posted by web editor on December

http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/wm/ar...

Billy Beane made this comment about the purported trade of Haren, etc.

But for the final word, we offer this gem from Beane: "I rarely comment on trades publicly, but let me comment on this one: It is an absolute, total fabrication."

...but wouldn't it be ironic if this rumor planted the seed that got a similar trade done?

Actually, what makes it sound plausible is that it's realistic for each of the teams involved.  Not ideal, just realistic.

Reyes may be able to do front handsprings around the bases, but I'd like someone with more pop for a stud like Haren. Reyes' fame, in my opinion, is a product of the New York hype machine.

Mulvey's intriguing, but that package is not enough for me to give up all those years of cost-controlled aceness.

"Of all the trade rumors in my whole career, that might be the worst of all-time," Beane said a few hours later. "That's laughable. I don't even know what to say to that."

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