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What Goes Up.... Must Come Down...

Spinning Wheel.....

Hey, I like being a prophet but really anyone could and should have seen this.

Think of just the last two games---

big hits from

Jay Pay
Kielty
Kendall
Kotsay and...

DJ-- who is a veritable house on fire.

The point being that most of these guys had subpar beginnings... and were going to get better.

And now they are.... and now we have the makings of a damn good offense. And bradley getting en fuego-- which I predict will begin against his former team tomorrow-- is the last part of the puzzle.

Looking ahead--

1 I've been defending him, but Macha gave Scoot a lot of rope today in the leadoff spot, and I think the 0-5 may have hung him. Let's try Rouse at least once this weekend and see what happens;

  1. The basic lineup for next week against RHP and with the pitcher should be:
  2. Kotsay
  3. Swish
  4. Chavy
  5. DJ
  6. Crosby
  7. Bradley/Payton
  8. Kendall
  9. Whoever is playing 2B
  10. Pitcher
Obviously we had better keep JP in there against LHP and sit either Kotsay or Bradley. Too bad Ronnie Mac will have a hard time getting any ABs.

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What goes down
must eventually come back up.

I'd like to think thats what has happened.

"Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever."

by Zonis on Jun 15, 2006 3:22 PM PDT reply actions  

of course
I was just using the lyrics
oaktoon

by oaktoon on Jun 15, 2006 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Were you thinking of Loaiza...
...with the "Spinning Wheel" reference?
"I've been accused of using too many words...I suppose that's like accusing Mozart of using too many notes." Bill King

by Gerard on Jun 15, 2006 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK
But what about in a few months, when things must come down again? That's what happened last year. The A's MUST stay proactive. A lot of mediocre hitters will get hot and the offense will score 7 runs per game. Then when they all sink back to mediocrity (like last year), then what happens? This isn't a team of great hitters. It's certainly more potent, but players like Kielty, Payton and Kendall (and whoever is slumping) will be mediocre come September.
July 11th... My.....Space?

by ohad on Jun 15, 2006 3:25 PM PDT reply actions  

How do you like this year's depth...
...compared with last year, Ohad?
   The issue of depth has been in full evidence with our 8 trips to the DL thus far, the question remains if our team will have that burned out look come late September. I suspect they'll have a little more juice this time around.
"I've been accused of using too many words...I suppose that's like accusing Mozart of using too many notes." Bill King

by Gerard on Jun 15, 2006 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

There is more depth
But it's still of mediocre players. I think we may be a little better off than last year (more than a little) but still need to stay proactive (Giles!)
July 11th... My.....Space?

by ohad on Jun 15, 2006 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Happy Birthday!
<throws party>
I don't think Brad's going to be able to sex the Ranger's lineup to death. -- Jennifer

by Sharon on Jun 15, 2006 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey, Happy Birthday
<as he hears voices echoing proverbial dispensations from his teenage years>

...and don't spend your money all at once!

"I've been accused of using too many words...I suppose that's like accusing Mozart of using too many notes." Bill King

by Gerard on Jun 15, 2006 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, Happy Birthday!!!
"The sun don't shine on the same dog's ass all the time."

-Catfish Hunter

by kaweahkaweah on Jun 15, 2006 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Happy Birthday Ohad!
Our little baby's all growed up!
"the reason why hitting the ball on the "sweet spot" of the bat feels so good is that the ball is contacting at the bat at a vibrational node." - salb918

by McFood on Jun 15, 2006 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mediocre hitters??
DJ is better than that
Swish is better than that
Chavy isbetter than that
Thomas is better than that
Ellis was better than that last year
Crosby could be better than that

Kotsay, Kendall, Kielty and Payton are basically mediocre.

But 4 mediocres and 5 goods make for a good offense.

oaktoon

by oaktoon on Jun 15, 2006 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

We Can't assume the roster to be ...
... entirely healthy during last 3 weeks of the season.

   Players such as Payton usually so well in the summer but cool off by september. Thomas and Chavy are concerning based on their current injuries and we don't know how healthy and productive they'll be but they are vulnerable and may well give mediocre performances in sept.

   If we have to rely on Perez, Scutaro and Kielty then mediocre is the best we can hope for. I don't expect much from Kotsay and Kendall at year's end.

   The pitching staff's health and effectiveness will make the difference. The offense remains a question mark but if Johnson can sustain any stamina in sept (c/w last year) and Swish, Bradley, Crosby, Ellis and Thomas are healthy then we have a good chance of remaining strong.

   Giles is solid but he (Like Kots and Kendall) would be learning a new league and is he superior to Ellis? THat's debatable

"I've been accused of using too many words...I suppose that's like accusing Mozart of using too many notes." Bill King

by Gerard on Jun 15, 2006 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here is what i think
Swish, Chavy, Thomas are all better than that. Bradley is better.

Then there are questions:

Crosby and Johnson will get hot (Johnson already is). But will they stay hot, or go back down come September (like last year).

Kotsay, Kielty, Payton and Kendall we agree on.

That leaves Ellis who is a tossup. Is he Ellis 2005 or Ellis 2004. Somewhere in between is the likely answer.

4 starters are good/great hitters. 2 starters are hot and cold (DJ, BoCro), 2 are average/mediocre (Kendall/Kotsay), and 1 is a Q (Ellis).

Surely what we are seeing shows us that the hot and cold hitters are getting hot, and the mediocre hitters (and the bench players) are getting hot, which leads us to this win streak. Again, i question whether the "must come down" part of "what goes up... must come down" will be in September.

July 11th... My.....Space?

by ohad on Jun 15, 2006 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

And lets not forget
that Chavy is hurting right now. Can he limp through the season and keep hitting or is he going to need some DL time?

Because limping through the season but not being able to hit with authority shouldn't be an option.

Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Jun 15, 2006 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

DJ
His OPS this month is about 1.500.  That's nuts!
"The sun don't shine on the same dog's ass all the time."

-Catfish Hunter

by kaweahkaweah on Jun 15, 2006 3:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Yes, exactly ...
What goes up/down most go down/up ...
Spinning must keep going round ...

Ride a painted pony ...
Let the spinning wheel spin ...

umm, Devo ...
Right, I was going somwhere with this.

That's a relief.
{glares at self}
When the team is going bad -- it's almost never going to stay that bad.
At the same time, when the team is going good -- it's almost never going to stay that good.

Well you're a downer.
I hate to be, I'm really an optimist at heart, but that's the simple reality. It makes no sense to prognosticate from the extremes. 'We're going great, we're untouchable!' ... 'the season's over, trade everyone!' ... nope and nope ... as with most things, the reality will almost certainly be somewhere in the middle.

by devo on Jun 15, 2006 3:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Yes, yes...
but they are slowly and surely getting healthier.

Loazia is back and doing reasonably well..

Duke about to come back...

Street lights out for 3 weeks now after a series of shaky appearances...

Bradley back-- and i think his hitting stroke will return soon..

And the news on Ellis and harden appears reasonably good.

oaktoon

by oaktoon on Jun 15, 2006 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

riiiiiiight ...
that would be the goes up part ...

and then then next part of the song is ...

as opposed to your remix:
What goes up
must eventually result in
the team getting healthy
and staying that way for the rest of the season

by devo on Jun 15, 2006 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Go ahead...
Be Chicken Little

I think Beane produced a deep team.

For a few weeks the injuries were so bad that they overwhelnmed the depth, particularly in the bullpen.

But they are getting more managable...

and this was going to be a .600 team so noww they are.

Let me ask you a question, devo?

Without any caveats about injuries, how many do you think this team will win this year?

I said 97 at the beginning of the year, though I felt that 100+ was possible,

I'll go out on the proverbial limb and predict  93 wins.

How about you??

oaktoon

by oaktoon on Jun 15, 2006 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, lets do some figerin'
The one caveat about injuries that I think would be silly to leave out is Harden. Since I have no clue and don't think it's worth speculating as to whether or not he'll need surgery, I'll make two predictions, one based on him being back around the AS break and one based on him being done for the year.

Going in, I predicted the team would win ~95 games.

The team stands at 35-31, leaving 96 games to go.

Without Harden, I'd say this is about a 92-93 (~.570) win team, so I predict they'll play roughly .570 baseball from here on out, which would mean about 55-41, leaving the team at 90-72.

With Harden I think this is a 96-97 (~.595) win team, so I'll predict that they finish 57-39, leaving them at 92-70.

by devo on Jun 15, 2006 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

For a second I thought you had said
let's do some fingering'.
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Jun 15, 2006 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Makes sense, coming from someone who
named himself after a muppet.
"the reason why hitting the ball on the "sweet spot" of the bat feels so good is that the ball is contacting at the bat at a vibrational node." - salb918

by McFood on Jun 15, 2006 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

You know
it's gotten to the point where if the elbow isn't involved I'm just not interested.
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Jun 15, 2006 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gives a whole new meaning to the term...
elbow grease.
"the reason why hitting the ball on the "sweet spot" of the bat feels so good is that the ball is contacting at the bat at a vibrational node." - salb918

by McFood on Jun 15, 2006 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Grease is for wheels
Go dry or go home.
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Jun 15, 2006 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bradley
Is he hurt again?
COME ON, OAKLAND, COME ON! June 19th - June 21st, 2006 ** Oakland Athletics @ Colorado Rockies **

by Colorado Fan on Jun 15, 2006 4:03 PM PDT reply actions  

I hope so. He's a wasted bat when he's in
the lineup. Now all we need is Scoot/Perez/Crosby to get hurt, then our offense would really be firing on all cylinders.

by DeeWayne on Jun 15, 2006 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Texas down 5=0
Looks like I will soon be officially in the lead regarding our bet.
"The first night, we were right there," Bradley said. "All we needed was a couple of touchdowns, and we would have had them."

by jeepers on Jun 15, 2006 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay, we now have a seven game winning streak
...that offsets the seven game LOSING streak in May.

Where does that leave us?  Four games over .500, which looking at the "big picture" is probably the best description of this team

In short, "Padre Contention".

The true test of this team is how they respond when winning streaks end.  If they lose one or two before resuming winning ways, then we may be on to something.  But if we follow up an eight or nine game run with a six or seven game freefall, then we're still living dangerously and shouldn't be dreaming of the post-season

by Rob @ Athletics Nation on Jun 15, 2006 9:44 PM PDT reply actions  

Glass Half Empty Much?
COME ON, OAKLAND, COME ON! June 19th - June 21st, 2006 ** Oakland Athletics @ Colorado Rockies **

by Colorado Fan on Jun 15, 2006 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

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