Two Thomas Bombs, But "Small Ball" Gets The Last Laugh
Tonight, you got two questions answered: Why the White Sox are reigning World Champions, and why the A's struggle to score runs. The last play of the game was a beautiful example of not waiting for offense to come to you. A lousy hitter surveying the field to see how he could best get a runner 90 feet farther and forcing the defense to do something. If Jason Kendall does the same thing against Armando Benitez, the A's have one more win to fall back on later in the season. Hopefully, someone in the A's organization is taking notes, because when the opposition puts on a clinic against you, at least you should learn something from it.
But the story tonight really was the A's injuries. In the 8th inning, Ken Macha went to Justin Duchscherer, but it was Steve Karsay and Karsay surrendered a homerun. Then Macha went to Joe Kennedy, but it was Randy Kiesler and Kiesler gave up a ringing double. So he turned it over to Calero in the 10th, but Calero had already been used in the 7th so it was Ron Flores. And don't forget about Mark Ellis. Ellis flags down Thome's single and the White Sox' first run never scores. He keeps Mackowiak's 10th inning single on the infield, Pierzynski stops at second, and a game-winning bunt is not an option. Injuries caught up to the A's in a big way today.
Finally, Macha did one thing tonight that really frustrated me, just as it did in the Angels' clinching win in 2004. That day, Octavio Dotel stayed in the bullpen as Macha elected not to ask him to get 5 outs. An Erstad double off Rincon and a tie game later, Macha put Dotel in--and asked him to get 5 outs. A closer either is, or isn't, available to get a certain number of outs. If Macha was willing to ask Huston Street to get 4 outs today, then Street should have been in to face Uribe. And if he had been, the A's likely would have won it in nine today.
Two awfully tough losses in the last three days. You can only absorb so many of those, as it's a long season--but not that long.
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Hmm
by mrlebowski79 on May 22, 2006 8:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know how
by Bearcat on May 23, 2006 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
tomorrow is another game
by OaklandSi on May 22, 2006 8:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The real tragedy of today...
I laughed all day...until the 10th.
by baseballgirl on May 22, 2006 8:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i'm still overly cheerful
by californiagirl on May 22, 2006 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like
It's too bad ... the story could have been "Big Frank gets revenge" ...
by Crosbino on May 22, 2006 8:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Street made one
by Nico on May 22, 2006 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But on the other hand
by nycfan on May 22, 2006 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no problem with that,
What bugged me about Dotel's appearance was that he was batting arm problems and I thought it was fine that Macha went to Rincon and not Dotel in the 8th. But then with no more outs, he put Dotel in and left him in for 5 outs.
It's the inconsistency that bothers me. If you're willing to put Street in for 4 outs, then put him in with no one on base. Don't be greedy trying to avoid putting him in and then put him in anyway when there aren't any more outs, just less margin for error. And Mackowiak was a good matchup for CWS, but Uribe was a great matchup for Street.
by Nico on May 22, 2006 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
totally agree
by tdwclark on May 23, 2006 4:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A closer with an ERA of 5.00 is a problem
I am also pretty sure he wasn't ready - Macha forced him in without enough warm up. I would have let it ride with Karsay.
by Carerra on May 23, 2006 7:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank god i'm tivo'ing the "24" finale
by gotgreen on May 22, 2006 8:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Duke isn't going to start throwing until
link (scroll down)
This is all very depressing. At least Ellis will likely be back tomorrow.
by Sharon on May 22, 2006 8:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
<throws IBB and Marco! Scutaro!>
by Jennifer on May 22, 2006 8:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Zito's pitch count
by doublehustle22 on May 22, 2006 8:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
so you're
by AinOz on May 22, 2006 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a #1, Zito should be going deeper into games.
by DeeWayne on May 22, 2006 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, he should go deeper
by AinOz on May 22, 2006 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
with less than stellar control
This loss is not his fault
by OaklandSi on May 22, 2006 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Small Ball
Man, it's infuriating to watch this club sometimes. If they would just scratch out a run here and there, but they refuse to do it. Earth to Macha: when you're ahead by 3 runs, you don't need a 3-run inning. Just one more run makes a huge difference. Also obviously so painful to watch this club "hit" with a runner on 3rd and less than 2 outs. Isn't that why they got rid of Hatty and fired their batting coach? Big Frank had a terrific game, but how many check swing called strikes is he going to put up this year? Hey, when's there are two strikes, be careful, but when the winning run is at third and there are less than two outs and only one strike, either swing or don't.
As for Crosby, called strike one, called strike two, called strike three. Wow!
by solotar on May 22, 2006 8:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
For the record....
FILTHY pitches.
by baseballgirl on May 22, 2006 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's a great point
by Nico on May 22, 2006 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the long and short of it:
He served up a complete gopher pitch. That's it. As much as our bullpen has been completely ravaged by injuries, when you hand it over to your closer with 2 outs in the eighth, a two run lead, and a pinch hitter who had yet to hit a HR that closer better freaking nail it down.
We were in a position to nail that game down, and Huston couldn't do it. It happens to the best of them. But the moment he blew it, you had to think we were going to lose. The AAA A's bullpen is no match for the ChiSox bullpen.
More than anyone else, WE MISS YOU DUKE. And Ellis and his awesome defensive range at second.
EFFFFF.
by nycfan on May 22, 2006 8:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
a note of levity from Mychael Urban
".. The Yankees on Monday recalled former A's outfielder Terrence Long from Triple-A Columbus and signed former A's designated hitter Erubiel Durazo to a Minor League deal. Durazo will be assigned to Columbus, where he'll join former A's first baseman Carlos Pena. Eric Karros, Billy McMillon, Chris Singleton, Eric Hiljus and Ariel Prieto are still retired."
Thanks, Mychael. It put a smile back on my face after the downer of tonight's game's end
by OaklandSi on May 22, 2006 8:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Injuries
I know good teams play through injuries, but even the GREAT Chicago White Sox would have a tough time if their pitching staff was so beat up. I know that is hard for some to believe but it is true.
That bunt play was good, but that play never happens if the A's have a healthy Kennedy and Duke. I sure hope the players on the A's have more postive thoughts than I read here.
by RudiFan on May 22, 2006 8:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You can't just throw up your hands
Then again, there's not much you CAN do when you bring in your closer when you need him the most and he can't deliver.
Sigh. Losing sucks.
by nycfan on May 22, 2006 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorrry....
by RudiFan on May 22, 2006 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think by and large,
Remember, there are fans, not analysts, on AN.
by Nico on May 22, 2006 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know that Nico
I guess in the big overall picture the A's are still only one game back of Texas. If the can hang around until they get healthy then I see no reason why they don't win the West.
by RudiFan on May 22, 2006 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just realized the A's are going to Texas after
<thud>
by Sharon on May 22, 2006 8:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Where we're going to take first place away!
by baseballgirl on May 22, 2006 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
<looks around>
by baseballgirl on May 22, 2006 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take two of whatever you're having.
by Jennifer on May 22, 2006 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, just now.
Holy. Crap.
by Sharon on May 22, 2006 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry you had to find out this way.
by Jennifer on May 22, 2006 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The pitchers are going to die.
by Sharon on May 22, 2006 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought they were all dead anyway
by californiagirl on May 22, 2006 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are they doing now?
by Jennifer on May 22, 2006 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The new pitchers.
Actually, the ground is going to open up and swallow the entire team.
If the A's are lucky, Scutaro will escape.
by Sharon on May 22, 2006 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you know why Scoot will escape?
by Jennifer on May 22, 2006 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course, Ellis will need a hand...
Hey. <shrugs> You gotta do what you gotta do.
by Sharon on May 22, 2006 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
<kicks bad shoulder>
Clutch this, MaEl!
by Jennifer on May 22, 2006 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I'm going to at least one of those games
by GreenNGoldSooner on May 22, 2006 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
say hi to me why your there
by californiagirl on May 22, 2006 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
<Puts on helmet>
by AsGirl on May 22, 2006 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was (un)lucky enough to
that sucked. I'm out of things to throw. <Throws self>
by AsGirl on May 22, 2006 8:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's YOUR fault!
by baseballgirl on May 22, 2006 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate myself too.
by AsGirl on May 22, 2006 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One thing about Huston:
by Sharon on May 22, 2006 8:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if someone brought this
Baseball is a weird game.
by AsGirl on May 22, 2006 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's been like that for Huston all season, right?
by Sharon on May 22, 2006 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tonight was
The A's get well against the M's, win a thriller on Friday night, have Halsey hang in there against Schmidt, blow a couple of chances to win on Saturday and get blanked yesterday. So they go to Chicago, the reigning champs who didn't want any part of the A's in last year's post-season. FT has a glorious return, Guillen gets tossed, the best available starter is cruising but still can't keep that pitch count down, the closer comes in after seemingly being back in form, promptly gives up a tying home-run, more chances and a failure to make the return more glorious by FT after Employee #3 wisely got his ass down to second. That was the game right there, we all knew it. Now the White Sox have the momentum and may have turned the corner around them pesky A's. Hopefully in 48 hours the A's will have taken the series and this will be a short-lived stick in the eye.
by southofcruiseamerica on May 22, 2006 8:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll give the A's this:
by Nico on May 22, 2006 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you Tina,
This series won't mean squat down the road - just when they're up 3 in the 8th on the road against the defending champs in the first game and blow it the negative implications creep out.
by southofcruiseamerica on May 22, 2006 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do we even know if DJ is okay?
by Sharon on May 22, 2006 8:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
it was telling to see how he slunk
by OaklandSi on May 22, 2006 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
by mrlebowski79 on May 22, 2006 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think that's why Kielty was pinch hitting?
by Sharon on May 22, 2006 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes and no
No, DJ is not ok in that his swing is slow and his average is awful.
by Nico on May 22, 2006 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, Nico.
by Sharon on May 22, 2006 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When DJ was due up,
by Nico on May 22, 2006 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
I remember Huston, though.
by Sharon on May 22, 2006 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's hurt?!!!!
by AsGirl on May 22, 2006 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm hurting too, but not physically.
by AsGirl on May 22, 2006 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
my brain hurts
by californiagirl on May 22, 2006 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Feel better, Jay!
I just caught up with the other threads... Hehe.
by AsGirl on May 22, 2006 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you just found out about this? where have you been
by californiagirl on May 22, 2006 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Class and work.
by AsGirl on May 22, 2006 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
unlike other people here
by californiagirl on May 22, 2006 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know that he's hurt.
by Sharon on May 22, 2006 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rumor-mongering bitch!
Hang on, I've got to stop an IM she's about to send.
by Nico on May 22, 2006 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was an awesome game
And I can't even fault them, given how shady the injury situation has been.
This sucks.
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on May 22, 2006 8:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I feel much better
we are pathetic
We are lathergic
We are boring to watch
we find ways to loose and not win
we are frustrating
We hit like shit
We Pitch like Shit
We field like shit
We just got swept by the fucking dodgers
We have lost 5 in a row
We have lost 17-22
We dont hustle to first base
We can't get a bunt down to advance runners
We cant get a clutch hit
We cant score any runs
Our bullpen cant stop giving up runs
We point fingers
our lineup is weak
Scosh has been making one bad call after another
We have 1/2 out AAA team up
We need another bat
by baseballgirl on May 22, 2006 9:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
by AsGirl on May 22, 2006 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
reminds me of some AN posts in May 2005
by OaklandSi on May 22, 2006 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
... and at times...
I hate May.
by AsGirl on May 22, 2006 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've always wondered
by Nico on May 22, 2006 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's one of my pet peeves...
"lose" - the opposite of 'win'
It's NOT that hard, peeps!
by baseballgirl on May 22, 2006 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
whiners
by californiagirl on May 22, 2006 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nico's ....
by doubleplayer on May 22, 2006 9:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So when, in this game,
I guess Kotsay taking third and Chavez stealing second weren't enough. Mark should have tagged on Big Hurts pop out.
by salb918 on May 23, 2006 6:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not...
by doubleplayer on May 23, 2006 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope, it's not my birthday yet.
by AsGirl on May 22, 2006 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When is your birthday?
by Sharon on May 22, 2006 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
June....
A's @NYY.
by AsGirl on May 22, 2006 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ouch.
by Jennifer on May 22, 2006 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can you return the helmet and
Last year, on my 21st, the A's made John Smoltz look like a Cy Young winner. Wait... nevermind.
by AsGirl on May 22, 2006 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I was at that game.
by Sharon on May 22, 2006 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So it's your fault the A's lost.
That game sucked. We won the day before and after that day. Couldn't have swept the Braves...
by AsGirl on May 22, 2006 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was at the last game, too.
Chavy: 5-5 with two homeruns. <drool> Kotsay HR. Swish getting dirty. <sigh>
by Sharon on May 22, 2006 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The last game of that series was awesome!
Swish got dirty, huh? <Snicker>
by AsGirl on May 22, 2006 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I remember correctly...
by Jennifer on May 22, 2006 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's right.
by Sharon on May 22, 2006 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way, I'm still working on my reply.
by Sharon on May 22, 2006 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did he change the socks or
by AsGirl on May 22, 2006 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, he changed
I think he changed the entire uniform. I know for sure he changed pants.
by Jennifer on May 22, 2006 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he changed his pants on the field,
by AsGirl on May 22, 2006 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep. I saw everything.
by Sharon on May 22, 2006 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you take pictures?
by AsGirl on May 22, 2006 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I took...
lol
by Sharon on May 22, 2006 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Baking cookies"...
by AsGirl on May 22, 2006 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I can't say here.
by Sharon on May 22, 2006 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL.
by AsGirl on May 22, 2006 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll tell you a secret.
by Sharon on May 22, 2006 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You baked cookies with Huston too?
I'd love to ... bake cookies with him too.
by AsGirl on May 22, 2006 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, kind of.
by Sharon on May 22, 2006 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He got dirty sliding into third base.
I remember the rain. I remember being four rows from Kotsay. I remember being four rows from a bunch of near-naked girls looking for autographs (and maybe more?).
by Sharon on May 22, 2006 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lucky you! <barf>
by Jennifer on May 22, 2006 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
<looks at schedule>
by Sharon on May 22, 2006 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Close?
Okay, um....
by Jennifer on May 22, 2006 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've never quite understood
"Did you avoid that hand grenade?"
"No, but close."
"Oh well, that counts."
"Yeah, I suppose I still have the left side of my face."
by Nico on May 22, 2006 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
by mrlebowski79 on May 22, 2006 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Think about it from the other side...
"Did you hit it?"
"No, but close."
"Oh well, that counts."
"Yeah, I suppose they still have the left side of his or her face."
by Jennifer on May 22, 2006 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The pleas for small ball will largely
It's frustrating because Los Kirk against Vazquez scares me tomorrow.
I do agree with you Nico in the sense that if you're willing to use Street for four outs, why not five? But the problem then becomes, someone will say why not six or seven outs. Not only do the A's have so many pitchers on the DL, but it seems like Street has a problem right now too because his velocity isn't where it should be. Does anyone ever remember the A's, outside of Hudson's oblique, having this many pitching injuries when Peterson was here? That's not to insinuate anything, it's a serious question.
by Tyler Bleszinski on May 22, 2006 9:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I brought it up on the
by OaklandSi on May 22, 2006 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Davis has been the trainer for 9 years.
by Jennifer on May 22, 2006 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not singling him out
by OaklandSi on May 22, 2006 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, no, no, Blez!
That's a whole different point. And I don't think what the White Sox did was "small ball". They sure didn't give up an out. They just put their abilities to use.
by Nico on May 22, 2006 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
All bunts are not created equally
Squeezing in the winning run in the bottom of the tenth: Common Sense
by Mission1929 on May 22, 2006 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
STANDING OVATION.
by baseballgirl on May 22, 2006 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed!, no shit...a viable option
by ak_A on May 22, 2006 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Street
Lots of his pitches are center cut.
by Concord Fanz Dad on May 22, 2006 9:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
that home run pitch was grooved
by OaklandSi on May 22, 2006 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
at what point do you send DJ and his 5 rbi's
by DeeWayne on May 22, 2006 9:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Scoot is a bench player
by OaklandSi on May 22, 2006 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Nico, didn't Huston lose it tonight?
by A'sfansince1970 on May 22, 2006 9:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sure, Huston lost it,
by Nico on May 22, 2006 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scutaro
- Scutaro needs to be sent down to AAA, at least. He is over matched at the plate, and doesn't look to be into it mentally in the field (Today's grounder by Thome. Yesterday's non-relay throw). Give Perez a couple starts. Bring up (dare I say) Keith Ginter.
- Was Street even ready to come in for Keisler? It seemed like they rushed him into the game in the 8th.
- I had to listen to the WhiteSox TV during tonights game. Wow. Enough "He Gone"'s, and "Stretch"'s for lazy fly balls. Saying how the strike zone was complety one-sided for ZITO....some of the worst homerism ever witnessed by these two ears.
- I'm sure Ozzie Guillen will get props for being thrown out of the game..."Having his players backs", etc...what a joke.
- The game winning bunt was so predictable.
- Swisher and Chavvy are starting to look very mediocre at the plate. Time for others to step it up.
by Colorado Fan on May 22, 2006 9:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
by mrlebowski79 on May 22, 2006 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hello? Thomas?!
by baseballgirl on May 22, 2006 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thomas
by mrlebowski79 on May 23, 2006 2:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frank Thomas
Hits: 2,160
Doubles: 449
Home runs: 457
RBI: 1,487
Avg: .305
OBP: .425
OPS: .990
SEND HIM DOWN! HE CAN'T HIT AT THIS LEVEL!
Not that it matters. A simple reading of baseball's roster rules reveals that you can't send down a player of Thomas' service time.
by jeepers on May 23, 2006 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trying to keep perspective
Despite the injuries. Despite 70% of the current bullpen having started the season in the minors. Despite the inconsistent offense. Despite major regressions (so far) for Street, Blanton and DJ. Despite the two guys who have carried the team starting to cool off.
All that said, the last three days have sucked big time.
by dylantravis on May 22, 2006 9:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
But do you seriously believe that this team, even
by DeeWayne on May 22, 2006 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely, Dee Wayne,
- They would just have to get hot for a week
- Who knows what their lineup will be--historically if Beane sees potential, he makes a second-half trade to bolster the team
- Starting pitching is key, along with bullpen depth. Healthy, the A's have both.
The A's are a few healthy players away from running off 8 wins in a row, and the are an 8-game winning streak away from taking a stranglehold on the division.
by Nico on May 22, 2006 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have to agree
by AinOz on May 22, 2006 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As far as division standings go, the A's are fine.
1)Zito's a #3 pitcher, not a #1 (sorry ladies)
2)Crosby's the same player stat wise from his rookie year and I don't see that changing (sorry Pete Gammons).
3)Frank's stats haven't really changed for the past 3 years and they're not improving this year.
4)Other than Harren and Swish, last year's rookies are in a terrible sophmore slump which I think will continue through the year (especially in the case of DJ and Blanton).
5)Ellis had a career year which will never be replicated.
6)Kendall and Chavy will put up similar numbers to last year.
by DeeWayne on May 22, 2006 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But that's just taking
- Zito's a #2 (if you disagree, name 7 better #2's in the AL).
- Crosby is in the stage of his career where he will get better, not worse. Why not think he'll improve throughout 2006?
- Frank Thomas is already showing signs of locking in. Even without having done well, he has 10 HRs in 44 games.
- Why should players have a full sophomore slump just because you decree "it shall be"? Blanton is already well ahead of his pace last year and we know how that went from 6/1 on.
- Ellis, the past 3 weeks, has approximated his 2005 numbers, so he's already proving you wrong.
- Have you been watching Chavez?
by Nico on May 22, 2006 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh...come ON...
- Zito could play #1 on many teams. He's the best we have. Period. And don't tell me that Harden is better. Harden may have better stuff, but it's too damn bad that we'll only see that stuff for half a year. Zito is our ace and has done nothing except pitch like it since his very first start this season. If you can't see that, you obviously haven't watched his starts. Yes, he will throw a lot of pitches. Yes, his starts sometimes are maddening. But he gets the job done, day in and day out, and our team has hung an undeserved "L" and a "ND" on him in the last week when he really deserved two "W"s. Sucks for him. Yet he'll go out again and pitch well in four days. That's what he does. And also? You can shut up with the 'ladies' comments. I'm here for the pitching.
- I agree with your assessment of Crosby. Hawk nattered on and on about Crosby being the most 'underrated' player in baseball. I do not think that word means what he thinks it means. Crosby, if anything, is rated on a scale that he doesn't even register on. But to be fair, he had a great game today, and if you actually saw the game, you'd know there was no way in hell he could have hit any one of the three pitches he took for the strikeout.
- Frank Thomas will do exactly what we needed him to do. Just wait.
- Huston threw a bad pitch. Blanton is better than he was at this time last year. Yes, DJ sucks right now.
- Look up Ellis' numbers. I'll wait.
- Based on what evidence? They're both hitting really well right now...something that...let's see...they never really did at all last year.
by baseballgirl on May 22, 2006 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So your dreamy comment about Zito is referring to
A rebuttal:
1)I'm not saying he's our top pitcher and wouldn't be on most teams, but against top tier teams, he's not good enough to lead off a playoff series.
2)Crosby did have a good game today but he seems to be a streaky, injury prone player who at this point is mostly "potential".
3)I hope but I'm just going off how players usually perform in the twilight of their careers (other than barroid).
4)Huston's been a little off all year and given Joe's stuff, I don't see him pulling a late season '05.
5)Ellis is a career .274 hitter who's now hitting .252 after hitting .316 last season ( http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=5086)
So given his history, he should finish '06 between .280-.270.
6) Chavy is Chavy and his stats are remarkable consistant (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=3953).
Kendall is on the same pace as '05 (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=3401) and he's on the declining part of his career (for catchers it's worse).
by DeeWayne on May 23, 2006 6:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Try context...
I'm not saying he's our top pitcher and wouldn't be on most teams, but against top tier teams, he's not good enough to lead off a playoff series.
Please go look at Zito's pitching line against top tier teams in the playoffs. He owns big games, and has been one of very few A's pitchers to do so.
- Correct. I agree.
- Me too.
- We'll see.
- Ellis hitting .270-.280 with some pop is everything we need from 2nd base.
- I'd like to think Chavvy will have a better year with some protection. Yes, I'm concerned about Kendall, too.
by baseballgirl on May 23, 2006 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Morning.
Other than than no-slide Giambi game, Zito hasn't come up that big in the playoffs (http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/Z/barry-zito.shtml). In '02 as a #3 starter, he lost to the Twins and he also lost the deciding game against the Sox as a #3 starter in '03.
I just don't see our team scoring more than 3 runs in an opening game of a playoff series vs the likes of Clemens, Mussina, Colon, Schilling, Beckett, and Garcia. So in order to win, Zito and the bullpen would have to hold the other team to 2 runs or fewer. At this stage, that's not going to happen. Sorry.....
by DeeWayne on May 23, 2006 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zito's postseason record
- Beats the Yankees in Game 4 on the road to keep the A's alive.
- Loses 1-0 to the Yankees in the no-slide game, but pitches great.
- Beats the Twins in Game 3.
- Beats the Red Sox in Game 2. Loses Game 5 on 3 days rest.
by dylantravis on May 23, 2006 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Facing the likes of Clemens, Schilling Mussina,
by DeeWayne on May 23, 2006 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I do
by dylantravis on May 22, 2006 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Windor: 6 IP, 7 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 6 SO
by Sharon on May 22, 2006 9:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yay Windsor!
by AsGirl on May 22, 2006 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear Barton has caught
by Nico on May 22, 2006 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I miss Duke in the 8th
by oaklandcrazy on May 22, 2006 10:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey we're still .500
by znk916 on May 22, 2006 10:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Can't be balanced
by dylantravis on May 22, 2006 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I went out for my usual 2 hour
I hope we at least take the series...that will help me (me, thinking of me, me, me, me)
by ak_A on May 22, 2006 10:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
In all seriousness...
There. Are. No. Words.
by baseballgirl on May 22, 2006 10:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm still laughing
by KendallGurl18 on May 22, 2006 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
was there tonight. bummed
some thoughts;
Thomas's fireworks were...um...AMAZING! The place had just given him a standing O for the first AB, and it went deathly quiet, weirdly so, like they were all thinking about how it was when he hit 'em for 'em, not against. 2nd? mostly boo's, scattered with a few cheers, and me yelling "go DEEP, Frank, go DEEEEEEEEPPPPPP!"
Scutaro at 2nd tonight, in the end, was a killer. that play should've been a double-play.
DJ loooked bad swinging, and in a funk after the last K, where he swung at a funky (read "bad") pitch.
Ozzie's a dick, and I'm sure he'll be championed in the papers like someone else has already mentioned. to me, he's still a dick, and it makes me happy for Macha.
Street looked hittable and then nasty, just at the wrong times.
Rob Macowiak? Are you kidding me?
Crosby's shot was a bomb, almost in the same place as Franks right before him, but Franks seemed like it was headed for the moon. Epic. Truly a stunner for that whole crowd, and one of the best baseball moments ever for me to witness.
Sending Kendall not such a bad idea, in that it meant Swisher had another chance at it next inning, which he almost crushed outta the park.
Zito. 6 BB's. weird. had to make some nasty pitches to maintain. Feel like I jinxed him by tipping my A's hat while he was on mound, and I swear he tipped back, and then was out after that inning.
I like Scutaro, but I think...how do I say this...needs to be Menechino'd. Either that, or Perez, um, needs to STEP up, or I'm all about giving Ginter another chance...
cold. very cold...until about 6th inning, several beers into it...warmer...cold.
choakland. hearing Sox fans chant that walking outta there made me want to vomit on someone's new Sox hat.
more notes from tomorrow's game.
'fish.
by catfish hunter on May 22, 2006 10:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
thanks! awesome!!
Here's to winning tomorrow.
by baseballgirl on May 22, 2006 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could you do me a favor?
You don't have to be nice about it.
Thanks in advance.
by Mission1929 on May 22, 2006 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with being happy with .500
Ok, pessimistic rant over. I apologize. I just have a difficult time looking at the upside, because until this team actually beats the good teams and not just the bad/mediocre ones, it's hard not to get a little worried.
by nycfan on May 22, 2006 11:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Remember last May :)
by baseballgirl on May 22, 2006 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some Props for Chicago Fans
I didn't see this earlier cause I was on my way home from work and just missed it. (I turned on the TV just as the ball went into the crowd, so yes, I did see Bobby's HR! =D) But I TiVo-ed the game and just now watched the first 2 innings.
I have to say, I was very touched by the response that was given to Thomas coming to bat. From what I could tell, there was a lot of respect given to him and it was a very nice moment. Then even after he hit a home run, there was still a lot of cheering and standing for him. It seemed like a really nice moment for Thomas to enjoy.
I am very happy that the Chicago fans were so mature and kind to him. He totally deserves it!
I just wanted to share my reaction to that moment cause it really touched me.
by BobbyCrosbysGirl on May 22, 2006 11:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
<slap head>
Classy fans, those.
by baseballgirl on May 22, 2006 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
by Reg on May 23, 2006 6:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
fans and Thomas
Au contraire (at least for the first 2 at-bats;-) - it was a standing O, which makes the first shot SO amazing. It went from that deafening roar of applause to silence, and the place was stunned.
by catfish hunter on May 23, 2006 8:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's too bad the A's lost
I should point out that this wasn't a game the A's lost any more than one where the White Sox did a heck of lot right in the last 3 innings. Mackowiak had a clutch pinch-hit. Jenks threw the ball great when he needed to. Ozuna got the bunt down perfectly.
And if the A's are halfway healthy, they still win it.
by Nico on May 23, 2006 8:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs






















