Ouch! That stove is HOT!
Welcome to the gossip section of Athletics Nation, where fans barely finished mourning the end of the 2006 season before things started getting really interesting. Non-stop edge-of-your-seat drama as the off-season takes off, and the stove is crackling hot.
Oh, I'm just kidding.
BO-RING.
- The A's are moving to the moon. Or Fremont. Either way.
- Frank Thomas is signing with the Blue Jays.
- Show of hands: Does anyone really think we won't hire Geren?
- We're going to need a DH.
- See my post below.
- Frank Thomas gave us a great year. He played above and beyond even the most optimistic projections, and basically blew everyone's expectations out of the water. However, people should know better that you simply cannot pay for past performance (see: Williams, Bernie). If someone wants to grossly overpay Thomas by locking him into a multi-year deal at a ridiculous amount of money, good for him. That's a wise financial decision for his life, and he'd be simply crazy not to go. That being said, the A's would be equally as crazy to try and match that offer. Frank Thomas is one of the best offensive players in the game, but fans of any team he plays for are going to collectively hold their breaths each and every time he a) walks out of the dugout b) steps into the batter's box and c) 'runs' the bases. It's not a matter of 'if', but 'when' his fragile body will catch up to him. It may hurt to lose him now, but if we tie up that kind of money in his salary and still end up using someone like Bobby Kielty as our DH, there will be many more unhappy fans on this site than right now. Not to mention, I've heard the possibility of three years????? Man. <shakes head> However, I don't think that Frank Thomas is a traitor, a sell-out, or a bad person. He simply was given an offer he could not (and should not!) refuse. End of story.
- If this does indeed happen, YAWN. I would say that Beane's decision in this case would surprise no one, yet alienate many. Why bother with the process at all? It's not like Geren is an undervalued commodity; he's kind of an unwanted one, judging from the lack of interest from around the league. But...whatever. I think it's a foregone conclusion, and has been for quite some time. However, my interest is piqued, if only slightly, at today's news that Quirk is out of consideration, leaving only Geren and Orel Hershiser, my dark horse pick.
- May I offer this diary for discussion? And although <shudder> Barry <gulp> Bonds <deep breath> is listed among the poll options, he's not really discussed. It's too bad he would be the worst addition to the clubhouse ever, because he has everything we are looking for; right down to filling the stadium for the remaining Oakland years. Logically, it would not be the worst move in the world, and he'd be a better DH choice than anyone we have, or probably could pick up, but man, would it take some brain-washing (or a lobotomy), for me to root for him, and I doubt even the A's clubhouse could absorb his issues. Of course, this again depends on better offers, and financial details. In the meantime, I'm going to ask Santa for Adam Dunn.
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Dear Frank,
Sincerely,
Poppy
<snicker>
...but if someone wanted to overpay me for the same work I do now, I'd probably take it, and not think twice.
by baseballgirl on Nov 16, 2006 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, ABSOLUTELY!
Just don't say or imply "it's not about money," when the lower-paying employer that you're leaving is a highly successful performer within its industry, with colleagues, customers and administration that think the world of you.
(I should point out that I don't know whether Frank has even used any version of the "not about money" angle, because I haven't been reading much for the past couple of days... and I do wish him the best wherever he winds up, because he did some great things for us.)
I feel used
by SportySpice @ Athletics Nation on Nov 16, 2006 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
sometimes
by methodrampage on Nov 16, 2006 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
$86 Million
by SalParadise on Nov 16, 2006 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
The ol' athlete's refrain of...
Adversity too
by SalParadise on Nov 16, 2006 4:18 PM PST up reply actions
i checked what i have earned
frank thomas leaving is bad -- for frank thomas
Look at Alex Rodriguez. He went to Texas, where the offer was extremely high, even though it was obvious that Texas did not have enough pitching or brains to win. Then he went to New York, instead of Boston, where it was clear that the team was Derek Jeter's team, that he did not have an ideal relationship with Derek Jeter, and that he would have to play third instead of short, his natural position. All of those things caught up with him this year.
Now let us look at Jaret Wright. With his career in decline, he went to the Braves, where he career was revived by the environment or the pitching coach or the manager or whatever. Maybe it was the water. As soon as he had a good year, he took more money to go to the Yankees, where his career immediately declined again. Now he is reunited with the pitching coach in Baltimore.
Frank Thomas was miserable in Chicago and, as a result, constantly made a fool of himself with idiotic statements. So he went to Oakland and showed his good side: great hitter, great attitude, great inspiration for young players. He had found himself at 38. His response? Go somewhere else.
Good luck Frank. Let us hope, for your sake, that history does not repeat itself.
by wasat71playoffs on Nov 18, 2006 5:38 PM PST up reply actions
Barry ...Lamar... Bonds
After years of ripping my friends who follow the Gigantes, and giving them nothing but grief about Barry...Now the tide may be turning and I might be watching this guy in Oakland next year.
Guy is a cheating, brooding, moody, head-case. I've detested him for years, especially after "Game of Shadows."
BUT DAMN...THAT FOOL CAN CAN HIT LIKE A MOTHER-*%$#@^!!!!!
What if?????
Never underestimate the wily
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Nov 16, 2006 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
Bonds would be okay with me,
But playing as a DH...
by baseballgirl on Nov 16, 2006 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
Good point,
Human Growth Hormone gave him the
Without HGH his eyes revert to the vision of a 40-whatever man.
Quality Fast balls sail on by, ...like Frank.
For Barry Money the A's can get someone that can hit quality fastballs and field a position defensively.
With our Brittle Roster we need all the able bodies we can muster.
by A s Eh on Nov 16, 2006 5:53 PM PST up reply actions
I think you've got HGH confused with ...
Question...
just look for the dancing Angels
Angels fear to tread
Damn right!
by A s Eh on Nov 19, 2006 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
The A's would survive Bonds
Ya know, folks, both of those quotes also apply perfectly to someone who hit a lot of dingers for the A's awhile back, someone who was a teammate of the A's current generalissimo.
Jose Canseco.
The A's franchise survived just fine with five-plus years of the Canseco soap opera. It will be ok even if the future holds a year or two of Barry Bonds in an Athletics uniform.
By the way, I loved this quote from Lew Wolff when a reporter asked him about the A's interest in Bonds:
"Billy is talking to everybody," he said.
Asked if the A's would sign Bonds at the "right price," Wolff added: "We'd have you playing shortstop at the right price."
Discuss?
WATER BASEBALLGIRL NOW!
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Nov 16, 2006 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
Okay, that was funny.
by baseballgirl on Nov 16, 2006 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
Wow, BBG looks like a Greek God in the shower...
disk of soap.
What the hell is happening...
To be fair...
I have heard that Thomas is all but gone, though.
by baseballgirl on Nov 16, 2006 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
here you go
by pickinmachine on Nov 16, 2006 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
I know it's a longshot due to the almight dollar..
by OaktownPower on Nov 16, 2006 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
I feel dirty
Then I remember who he is and how much Ive hated him over the years.
by pickinmachine on Nov 16, 2006 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
Well, whaddya know...
by baseballgirl on Nov 16, 2006 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
Quite crazy, I think
I mean, we may have the dubious honor of being MLB's cradle of substance abuse, but do we really want to perpetuate that legacy? Waaaay too much baggage, and that's not even counting the barcalounger (and all it implies).
by The Dogfather on Nov 16, 2006 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
To restate my DH opinion
My two suggestions: Josh Phelps (though he was just signed yesterday by Baltimore to a minor league deal); Scott Hairston (I'm pretty sure he could be had for just about anything, well anything baseball related at least).
Hairston I kind of like....
by OaktownPower on Nov 16, 2006 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
His swing looked okay
Not everyone can have Griffey Jr's swing.
It makes me cringe
by OaktownPower on Nov 16, 2006 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
Fair enough
I have guys like that...we all do.
by OaktownPower on Nov 16, 2006 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
I've been on the Hairston bandwagon
Adam Dunn just turned 28
by baseballgirl on Nov 16, 2006 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
I think Adam Dunn
The problem is, I cannot imagine a package that we could put together to get him. What's unfortunate is this, we probably could have trade for Felipe Lopez and Kearns last year, just based upon what it took for the Nats to get them. Now whether we were willing to part with our bullpen depth, that's another topic.
If we could get Dunn for Cupcakes, Santiago Casilla, and maybe one of our catching prospects, I'd say do it. I just don't think that would get it done (or Dunn). Personally, I'd be willing to part with Street, and then try Satiago or Gaudin at closer. I'd also have Cincy throw in Ryan Wagner, maybe we could fix him.
He has double digit steals once
He was a stud athlete as we all know he was going to play QB at UT before leaving to play baseball. But all one needs to do is watch him play LF to know he has lost a lot of his quickness.
by OaktownPower on Nov 16, 2006 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
Dunn would be great
Yea...
He has a ton of upside, but also makes a good amount of money ($7.5 million in 06) for what he does.....40 HR with no average and a sinking OBP coupled with a strikeout less than every 3 AB. He hasnt grown in the least since he came into the league and if anything, has significantly regressed.
by OaktownPower on Nov 16, 2006 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, but
by baseballgirl on Nov 16, 2006 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
Listen
Well said....and I agree on a lot of it...
He needs to be better than OK for that price....and a LOT better than he was in 06.
by OaktownPower on Nov 16, 2006 3:31 PM PST up reply actions
If it's not Frank at a discount,
I think it's better for us to diversify without Frank.
I think Dunn is due to make...
$13 million club option for 2008
by FoolshGame22 on Nov 16, 2006 3:52 PM PST up reply actions
With all the money about to be tossed around . . .
The entire market is about to change. Loaiza, for one, will look like a steal.
by Jeff in Seattle on Nov 16, 2006 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
i'd rather
by methodrampage on Nov 16, 2006 4:34 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks BBG
Billy always fills the hole somehow
While everyone is drooling over Lee and Soriano, look for Beane to make a low budget buy somewhere.
by titaniumaardvark on Nov 16, 2006 3:24 PM PST reply actions
So...
Why are there tears in my eyes? <Sigh>
not official
by pickinmachine on Nov 16, 2006 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
I hear in the new stadium...
One of the reasons the A's are so much
BBG commented on how she would abhor Kielty being a DH and I would too, unless he was only DH'ing against LH pitchers. What would be wrong with having two hitters sharing that role, guys who could still play, run and not clog up the bases? There have been endless discussions about Daric Barton eventually being our DH/First baseman. Travis Buck is not far from coming up, we still have the DJ problem, would he hit better only hitting against RH pitchers, maybe the bigger question is will he ever hit? I think it is more fun speculating on what BB will do rather than bemoaning the loss of FT. The loss of Zito and not signing FT gives BB a little money to play with.
by china bob on Nov 16, 2006 3:47 PM PST reply actions
if bonds came to the A's there is no way
by larrysgurl on Nov 16, 2006 4:08 PM PST reply actions
Yep . . .
He can:
- hit at least 25 homeruns
- have one of the highest obp's in the AL
- be expected to miss lots of games
and,
5. have a very negative influence in the clubhouse.
Besides, the A's clubhouse is so small. there is nowhere to put his luxary chair.
by jarforcefatherofforce on Nov 16, 2006 4:12 PM PST reply actions
Fremont
by jarforcefatherofforce on Nov 16, 2006 4:14 PM PST reply actions
Bonds
That, and the weirdness of a possibility of having Hershiser managing. What a world, what a world...
Barry M. Bloom to play Short Stop!!
You see! This is how rumors get started! One person makes ONE comment and suddenly it is a story.
Barry M. Bloom to take over for my boy, I think NOT! Discuss...
by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Nov 16, 2006 4:26 PM PST reply actions
I'm very afraid of the Bonds idea...
While the A's clubhouse is very accepting, I think Bonds is precisely the kind of guy that they won't accept. I think putting yourself before the team (which is Bonds' specialty) is the one cardinal sin they WON'T tolerate.
I am positive that Bonds will be fine in Oakland
I'm sure that'll help the attendance in Oakland, and maybe generate enough money to keep the A's in Oakland.
So far the offseason sucks.
Name the new manager, and get our DH taken care of, and tell Zito "we can't afford you, so we won't even make you an offer" or sign him.
Damn did Tejada get screwed
by Erik being Erik on Nov 16, 2006 4:49 PM PST reply actions
No doubt he'd sell tickets.
I would love...
by hans @ Athletics Nation on Nov 16, 2006 5:03 PM PST reply actions
yeah...
by HugeAthleticSupporter on Nov 16, 2006 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
So long Frank...
Aren't the Twins a small market team?
And they have a new stadium already in the works. This game is not fair at all...
Sheer genius
I HATE YOU BARRY BONDS, and your little dog too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by LilAnnieOaktown on Nov 16, 2006 5:53 PM PST reply actions
Still disappointed
That being said baseballgirl, don't be so quick to say it's the "smart" move, or that you would do the same. It's one thing when we're talking about a school teacher, or plumber, or garbage collecter, or whatever, who goes from making 55,000 a year to 90,000 a year -- that is "life changing" financial security in which it would be very, very difficult NOT to accept.
But we're talking about a millionaire several times over here -- Frank Thomas has made millions, and millions, and millions of dollars in his career. Do you think there's something he's going to be able to afford now, or something he'll be able to provide his kids now, if he signs with Toronto vs. taking "less money" with Oakland???!!!
Again, I don't begrudge a guy being free to do with his life what he wishes -- but to move to Toronto after such a great year in Oakland in which he got along so well -- statistically, emotionally, financially, etc. etc. -- simply because he will earn a few more millions, doesn't really sit well. His right? Sure. But it doesn't make him look all that great in my book.
It's all about value
by timq24 on Nov 16, 2006 11:21 PM PST reply actions

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