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Around SBN: An Indy 500 Rookie's Impressions

Ouch! That stove is HOT!

Welcome to the gossip section of Athletics Nation, where fans barely finished mourning the end of the 2006 season before things started getting really interesting. Non-stop edge-of-your-seat drama as the off-season takes off, and the stove is crackling hot.

Oh, I'm just kidding.

BO-RING.

  1. The A's are moving to the moon. Or Fremont. Either way.
  2. Frank Thomas is signing with the Blue Jays.
  3. Show of hands: Does anyone really think we won't hire Geren?
  4. We're going to need a DH.
What? You want commentary? Oh, fine.
  1. See my post below.
  2. Frank Thomas gave us a great year. He played above and beyond even the most optimistic projections, and basically blew everyone's expectations out of the water. However, people should know better that you simply cannot pay for past performance (see: Williams, Bernie). If someone wants to grossly overpay Thomas by locking him into a multi-year deal at a ridiculous amount of money, good for him. That's a wise financial decision for his life, and he'd be simply crazy not to go. That being said, the A's would be equally as crazy to try and match that offer. Frank Thomas is one of the best offensive players in the game, but fans of any team he plays for are going to collectively hold their breaths each and every time he a) walks out of the dugout b) steps into the batter's box and c) 'runs' the bases. It's not a matter of 'if', but 'when' his fragile body will catch up to him. It may hurt to lose him now, but if we tie up that kind of money in his salary and still end up using someone like Bobby Kielty as our DH, there will be many more unhappy fans on this site than right now. Not to mention, I've heard the possibility of three years????? Man. <shakes head> However, I don't think that Frank Thomas is a traitor, a sell-out, or a bad person. He simply was given an offer he could not (and should not!) refuse. End of story.
  3. If this does indeed happen, YAWN. I would say that Beane's decision in this case would surprise no one, yet alienate many. Why bother with the process at all? It's not like Geren is an undervalued commodity; he's kind of an unwanted one, judging from the lack of interest from around the league. But...whatever. I think it's a foregone conclusion, and has been for quite some time. However, my interest is piqued, if only slightly, at today's news that Quirk is out of consideration, leaving only Geren and Orel Hershiser, my dark horse pick.
  4. May I offer this diary for discussion? And although <shudder> Barry <gulp> Bonds <deep breath> is listed among the poll options, he's not really discussed. It's too bad he would be the worst addition to the clubhouse ever, because he has everything we are looking for; right down to filling the stadium for the remaining Oakland years.  Logically, it would not be the worst move in the world, and he'd be a better DH choice than anyone we have, or probably could pick up, but man, would it take some brain-washing (or a lobotomy), for me to root for him, and I doubt even the A's clubhouse could absorb his issues. Of course, this again depends on better offers, and financial details. In the meantime, I'm going to ask Santa for Adam Dunn.
Excuse me; I must go shower now. So...discuss. :)

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Dear Frank,
Thanks for the four great regular-season months.  Good luck in your future endeavors, and be careful not to trip over those piles of money.

Sincerely,
Poppy

by Poppy on Nov 16, 2006 2:49 PM PST reply actions  

<snicker>
I understand, I do...

...but if someone wanted to overpay me for the same work I do now, I'd probably take it, and not think twice.

Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Nov 16, 2006 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, ABSOLUTELY!
In fact, I think I am being slightly overpaid for the work I'm doing right now, which is tedious and could be done by a bowl of mashed turnips (in a coma).

Just don't say or imply "it's not about money," when the lower-paying employer that you're leaving is a highly successful performer within its industry, with colleagues, customers and administration that think the world of you.

(I should point out that I don't know whether Frank has even used any version of the "not about money" angle, because I haven't been reading much for the past couple of days... and I do wish him the best wherever he winds up, because he did some great things for us.)

by Poppy on Nov 16, 2006 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I feel used
I mean, I understand what Frank is doing, but I feel like I was dating some guy with a bad history, and only I believed in him, and thought that I could finally make him happy, and he did seem happy, and we had so many wonderful times, and he said he loved me, and I said I loved him back, but then someone hotter came along and bam! he was gone without even a phone call. That's how I feel.
"Oakland has a way of bringing out the joy in the game." NYT, 9/22/06

by SportySpice @ Athletics Nation on Nov 16, 2006 3:19 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah
just like an 80's movie but the protagonist does end up with the flaky hot chic.
Beane's World!! Excellent!!! Rock On, Beane! Rock On, Geren!

by Satchmo22 on Nov 16, 2006 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

sometimes
they add, "its not 'all' about the money" this way they can find some other smidgen of a reason to validate their decision.

by methodrampage on Nov 16, 2006 4:31 PM PST up reply actions  

$86 Million
According to baseball reference he's earned $86 million over his career http://www.baseball-reference.com/t/thomafr04.shtml One would think he'd earned enough already. What is motivation? Financial parity with his peers?
"Flying a plane is like riding a bicycle...it's just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes." --Airplane!

by SalParadise on Nov 16, 2006 3:58 PM PST up reply actions  

The ol' athlete's refrain of...
..."It's insulting!" to be given only $10 million instead of $11 million for playing a game...

by Poppy on Nov 16, 2006 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Adversity too
Don't forget all the adversity they're been thru
"Flying a plane is like riding a bicycle...it's just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes." --Airplane!

by SalParadise on Nov 16, 2006 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

i checked what i have earned
in my career......jeebus, teeny-weeny.  surprised i am not on the street begging in comparison to mr. hurt.
rip 2006, it was nice while it lasted.

by ak_A on Nov 16, 2006 4:58 PM PST up reply actions  

frank thomas leaving is bad -- for frank thomas
The trouble with baseball, as with life, is that people do things for money that are not in their own best interests.

 Look at Alex Rodriguez. He went to Texas, where the offer was extremely high, even though it was obvious that Texas did not have enough pitching or brains to win. Then he went to New York, instead of Boston, where it was clear that the team was Derek Jeter's team, that he did not have an ideal relationship with Derek Jeter, and that he would have to play third instead of short, his natural position. All of those things caught up with him this year.

Now let us look at Jaret Wright. With his career in decline, he went to the Braves, where he career was revived by the environment or the pitching coach or the manager or whatever. Maybe it was the water. As soon as he had a good year, he took more money to go to the Yankees, where his career immediately declined again. Now he is reunited with the pitching coach in Baltimore.

Frank Thomas was miserable in Chicago and, as a result, constantly made a fool of himself with idiotic statements. So he went to Oakland and showed his good side: great hitter, great attitude, great inspiration for young players.  He had found himself at 38. His response? Go somewhere else.

Good luck Frank. Let us hope, for your sake, that history does not repeat itself.

by wasat71playoffs on Nov 18, 2006 5:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Barry ...Lamar... Bonds
Very, very uncomfortable!!!

 After years of ripping my friends who follow the Gigantes, and giving them nothing but grief about Barry...Now the tide may be turning and I might be watching this guy in Oakland next year.

Guy is a cheating, brooding, moody, head-case. I've detested him for years, especially after "Game of Shadows."

BUT DAMN...THAT FOOL CAN CAN HIT LIKE A MOTHER-*%$#@^!!!!!

What if?????

by WannaBeGM on Nov 16, 2006 2:52 PM PST reply actions  

Never underestimate the wily
Billy...Lamar...Beane.
"Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?" --Johnny Rotten

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Nov 16, 2006 2:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Bonds would be okay with me,
But if he got down to a number the A's liked, the Giants would probably like it too and sign him. They'd be extremely foolish to pass up that opportunity.
"The future's like, who cares?" ~Eric Chavez

by rebus on Nov 16, 2006 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

But playing as a DH...
...Advantage = A's.
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Nov 16, 2006 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Big Time!!
No hobbling around in the outfield for 130-140 games. Just get up there and rake!!

by WannaBeGM on Nov 16, 2006 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Good point,
but I think Bonds still believes he can play good defense in the NL. I think it's less an issue for him personally than whatever team picks him up.
"The future's like, who cares?" ~Eric Chavez

by rebus on Nov 16, 2006 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Human Growth Hormone gave him the
exceptional sight for picking the ball up early and sitting back on pitches, even heat.

Without HGH his eyes revert to the vision of a 40-whatever man.

Quality Fast balls sail on by, ...like Frank.

For Barry Money the A's can get someone that can hit quality fastballs and field a position defensively.

With our Brittle Roster we need all the able bodies we can muster.

"the only problem when a man becomes a legend is the distance of the fall"

by A s Eh on Nov 16, 2006 5:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you've got HGH confused with ...
... Jennifer's Photoshop skillz.
People wanted Washington because he would do a better job of establishing the run. -- andeux @('.')@

by monkeyball on Nov 16, 2006 7:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Question...
How are we going to see anything the size of a pin?
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Nov 16, 2006 11:16 PM PST up reply actions  

just look for the dancing Angels
People wanted Washington because he would do a better job of establishing the run. -- andeux @('.')@

by monkeyball on Nov 17, 2006 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Angels fear to tread
where the Subterranean Bay A's of Hell reign supreme.
Why yes. I am a ray of warm and fuzzy sunshine.

by grover on Nov 17, 2006 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Damn right!
Send them to Purgatory in Anaheim!
"the only problem when a man becomes a legend is the distance of the fall"

by A s Eh on Nov 19, 2006 9:53 AM PST up reply actions  

The A's would survive Bonds
It's too bad he would be the worst addition to the clubhouse ever

Guy is a cheating, brooding, moody, head-case.

Ya know, folks, both of those quotes also apply perfectly to someone who hit a lot of dingers for the A's awhile back, someone who was a teammate of the A's current generalissimo.

Jose Canseco.

The A's franchise survived just fine with five-plus years of the Canseco soap opera. It will be ok even if the future holds a year or two of Barry Bonds in an Athletics uniform.

By the way, I loved this quote from Lew Wolff when a reporter asked him about the A's interest in Bonds:

Wolff said there had been ongoing discussions between A's general manager Billy Beane and Jeff Borris, Bonds' Los Angeles-based agent.

"Billy is talking to everybody," he said.

Asked if the A's would sign Bonds at the "right price," Wolff added: "We'd have you playing shortstop at the right price."

MJB

by MJB on Nov 16, 2006 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Discuss?
Nice form stepping in, but she needs to work on the turning-on-the-water technique.
Certum est quod certum reddi potest.

by oblique on Nov 16, 2006 3:01 PM PST reply actions  

WATER BASEBALLGIRL NOW!
"Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?" --Johnny Rotten

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Nov 16, 2006 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Okay, that was funny.
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Nov 16, 2006 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

gawd, how nico-ish but with flaire.
rip 2006, it was nice while it lasted.

by ak_A on Nov 16, 2006 4:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow, BBG looks like a Greek God in the shower...
but that is one big-ass...

disk of soap.

"...sometimes I can't tell the difference between baseball and magic."- salb918 "Ellie plowed into him like an evil, pink unicorn."-ArakSOT

by McFood on Nov 16, 2006 5:22 PM PST up reply actions  

What the hell is happening...
...First the move, then Frank punks out on us and now maybe Barry Bonds? They are really trying to make it easy for me to hate them, aren't they?

by willcmatthews on Nov 16, 2006 3:02 PM PST reply actions  

To be fair...
...I have heard no official talks of Barry Bonds.

I have heard that Thomas is all but gone, though.

Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Nov 16, 2006 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I know it's a longshot due to the almight dollar..
But it is getting harder and harder for me to not get REALLY REALLY excited about this possiblity
Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Nov 16, 2006 3:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I feel dirty
because I think of "Frank thomasesque" presence at the plate and the potential numbers he could put up.  As a DH I think he can still be very productive.  

Then I remember who he is and how much Ive hated him over the years.

"...we don't score six, seven runs. We score three, four runs and play defense and pitch" - Eric Chavez

by pickinmachine on Nov 16, 2006 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, whaddya know...
...not so crazy.
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Nov 16, 2006 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Quite crazy, I think
Most players have to pass a physical exam before a deal can be finalized--with Barry, we'd need a guarantee of immunity from the US Attorney's Office.  

I mean, we may have the dubious honor of being MLB's cradle of substance abuse, but do we really want to perpetuate that legacy?  Waaaay too much baggage, and that's not even counting the barcalounger (and all it implies).  

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Nov 16, 2006 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

To restate my DH opinion
from the other diary.  How about someone under 30??  Please.

My two suggestions: Josh Phelps (though he was just signed yesterday by Baltimore to a minor league deal); Scott Hairston (I'm pretty sure he could be had for just about anything, well anything baseball related at least).

A kitten bats around a ball of yarn but what he's really saying is, "You know I can't knit, motherf'er." That is one foul mouthed kitten. - Mitch Hedberg

by RayRay59 on Nov 16, 2006 3:06 PM PST reply actions  

Hairston I kind of like....
but I think Josh Phelps is one of the worst hitters ever.  That dude's swing makes me cringe.....I dont think he will ever get back to an every day player.
Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Nov 16, 2006 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

His swing looked okay
when he hit the homer off of Zito last year.  I don't know, I don't get too wrapped up in the aesthetics of a swing.  I mean, you wanna talk ugly, I'm not sure if there's an uglier swing than our man Big Frank, but that's seemed to work out okay.

Not everyone can have Griffey Jr's swing.

A kitten bats around a ball of yarn but what he's really saying is, "You know I can't knit, motherf'er." That is one foul mouthed kitten. - Mitch Hedberg

by RayRay59 on Nov 16, 2006 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

It makes me cringe
for the large number of holes in it rather the its prettiness.  The guy never walks and strikes out about once a game....He would be one dude I would have zero interest in.
Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Nov 16, 2006 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Fair enough
I don't know why, but I've just always liked him, and would love to see him get a shot.
A kitten bats around a ball of yarn but what he's really saying is, "You know I can't knit, motherf'er." That is one foul mouthed kitten. - Mitch Hedberg

by RayRay59 on Nov 16, 2006 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I have guys like that...we all do.
I understand what you are saying....and I do think your Hairston idea is intriguing.
Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Nov 16, 2006 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I've been on the Hairston bandwagon
now for a couple of years.  I can't understand why some team hasn't pried him away from the D'Backs.  He tore up the minors last year, and is versatile on defense.  I'd love to see him out in LF, or DH'ing for the A's.
A kitten bats around a ball of yarn but what he's really saying is, "You know I can't knit, motherf'er." That is one foul mouthed kitten. - Mitch Hedberg

by RayRay59 on Nov 16, 2006 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Adam Dunn just turned 28
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Nov 16, 2006 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Adam Dunn
would be the ideal addition to the team.  I think he gets a bum rap from some on this board.  I've seen him called unathletic, and a base-clogger.  He's actual very athletic, especially for someone his size.  He regularly had double digit steals in the minors (with as many as 24).  He is a liability in the field, though.  But who cares, we are looking for a DH.

The problem is, I cannot imagine a package that we could put together to get him.  What's unfortunate is this, we probably could have trade for Felipe Lopez and Kearns last year, just based upon what it took for the Nats to get them.  Now whether we were willing to part with our bullpen depth, that's another topic.

If we could get Dunn for Cupcakes, Santiago Casilla, and maybe one of our catching prospects, I'd say do it.  I just don't think that would get it done (or Dunn).  Personally, I'd be willing to part with Street, and then try Satiago or Gaudin at closer.  I'd also have Cincy throw in Ryan Wagner, maybe we could fix him.

A kitten bats around a ball of yarn but what he's really saying is, "You know I can't knit, motherf'er." That is one foul mouthed kitten. - Mitch Hedberg

by RayRay59 on Nov 16, 2006 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

He has double digit steals once
since he came to the majors (I know you said Minors) and that was a full 5 years ago.  He has been under 10 since and is clearly not the athlete he was when he first came up.  

He was a stud athlete as we all know he was going to play QB at UT before leaving to play baseball.  But all one needs to do is watch him play LF to know he has lost a lot of his quickness.

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Nov 16, 2006 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Dunn would be great
I doubt we could get him, but Dunn at like 8 million per year would be a really awesome addition.

by tomoyo on Nov 16, 2006 4:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Yea...
And coming off a year where he hit .234 with an OBP of only .365.  The dude has never hit his weight and struck out 200 freaking times last year, not to mention he was even worse with guys on base, both BA and slugging wise. .217 and .472 with men on.

He has a ton of upside, but also makes a good amount of money ($7.5 million in 06) for what he does.....40 HR with no average and a sinking OBP coupled with a strikeout less than every 3 AB.  He hasnt grown in the least since he came into the league and if anything, has significantly regressed.

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Nov 16, 2006 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, but
we have no reason to think that last year was anything other than an abberation. Dunn does strike out a lot, but he has an excellent OBP, and he has a ton of power. We could do worse.
Ho hum. Just another day for the OAKLAND ATHLETICS OF AWESOME! ~Kyli

by baseballgirl on Nov 16, 2006 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Listen
we'd all rather have Albert Pujols, but unfortunately we generally only get our choice of guys from the Island of Misfit Toys.  Sure, Dunn is a bit of a flawed player.  No doubt.  At least one of those flaws is not that he's brittle and damn near 50 years old.  He still has room for growth.  This thing called potential.  I'd be okay with Bonds, but some of the other retreads that get thrown into the discussion just make me sad.
A kitten bats around a ball of yarn but what he's really saying is, "You know I can't knit, motherf'er." That is one foul mouthed kitten. - Mitch Hedberg

by RayRay59 on Nov 16, 2006 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Well said....and I agree on a lot of it...
I just dont think Dunn is the golden pickup a lot of people think....and he is far form cheap.  I imagine he is dude a raise from his $7,500,000 from 06 although I dont know the details of his contract.  

He needs to be better than OK for that price....and a LOT better than he was in 06.

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Nov 16, 2006 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

If it's not Frank at a discount,
I don't think we should be looking at one player to remedy our potential offensive woes. I think this off season Beane will shake up 5-6 positions, not 2-3. Maybe even more, if the opportunity presents itself. We could be in a lot of trouble next year even with a guy like Dunn if some combination of Kotsay, Harden and Bradley miss large chunks of games at the same time.

I think it's better for us to diversify without Frank.

"The future's like, who cares?" ~Eric Chavez

by rebus on Nov 16, 2006 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Dunn is due to make...
$10.5 million in 2007
$13 million club option for 2008
"When I got injured, I felt disrespected. Waaannnh!" - Mark Kotsay

by FoolshGame22 on Nov 16, 2006 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

With all the money about to be tossed around . . .
. . . $7.5 mil is about to be very reasonable.

The entire market is about to change.  Loaiza, for one, will look like a steal.

by Jeff in Seattle on Nov 16, 2006 4:29 PM PST up reply actions  

i'd rather
barton taking hacks than phelps.

by methodrampage on Nov 16, 2006 4:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks BBG
It's tough to understand why Frank would want to play in Toronto, but the "offer he couldn't and shouldn't refuse" is pretty much spot on.  Who wouldn't take that?  Any other player would do the same.

by sprtsnwyn on Nov 16, 2006 3:12 PM PST reply actions  

Billy always fills the hole somehow
If Thomas does indeed sign with the Blue Jays, Billy will find someone to help fill the void.  Will he likely find a 40 HR, 100 RBI guy out there?  No, but he might find a couple of cheaper alternatives to fill the void, maybe a righty/lefty tandem.

While everyone is drooling over Lee and Soriano, look for Beane to make a low budget buy somewhere.

by titaniumaardvark on Nov 16, 2006 3:24 PM PST reply actions  

So...
Frank Thomas is officially gone?  

Why are there tears in my eyes? <Sigh>

by AsGirl on Nov 16, 2006 3:25 PM PST reply actions  

not official
just your usual "verge" stuff
"...we don't score six, seven runs. We score three, four runs and play defense and pitch" - Eric Chavez

by pickinmachine on Nov 16, 2006 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I hear in the new stadium...
all the players will have recliners and having Bonds around could help mentor the younger players on proper techniques for reclination. It would be fun to watch the various ways that Larry Davis could torture him with.
I'm not a big wine guy... Where do you grow the BEER?

by str8tarrow on Nov 16, 2006 3:31 PM PST reply actions  

One of the reasons the A's are so much
fun to follow is not knowing what BB is going to do, but whatever he does will be entertaining at least and worth 200 comments on the latest thread on this blog.  
BBG commented on how she would abhor Kielty being a DH and I would too, unless he was only DH'ing against LH pitchers.  What would be wrong with having two hitters sharing that role, guys who could still play, run and not clog up the bases?  There have been endless discussions about Daric Barton eventually being our DH/First baseman.  Travis Buck   is not far from coming up, we still have the DJ problem, would he hit better only hitting against RH pitchers, maybe the  bigger question is will he ever hit?  I think it is more fun speculating on what BB will do rather than bemoaning the loss of FT.  The loss of Zito and not signing FT gives BB a little money to play with.

by china bob on Nov 16, 2006 3:47 PM PST reply actions  

if bonds came to the A's there is no way
i could root for him. just no way.
"Very nice day in the Oakland A... Oakland A's? What's this stadium called again?" Nick Swisher on TWIB.

by larrysgurl on Nov 16, 2006 4:08 PM PST reply actions  

Yep . . .
Berry Bonds has everything we want

He can:

  1.  hit at least 25 homeruns
  2.  have one of the highest obp's in the AL
  3.  be expected to miss lots of games
4  expect to be arrested at any time

and,

5.  have a very negative influence in the         clubhouse.

Besides, the A's clubhouse is so small. there is nowhere to put his luxary chair.

Jim

by jarforcefatherofforce on Nov 16, 2006 4:12 PM PST reply actions  

Fremont
From where you live, Baseballgirl, isn't Fremont a shorter drive than Oakland?  Think positive.
Jim

by jarforcefatherofforce on Nov 16, 2006 4:14 PM PST reply actions  

Bonds
If Bonds comes, if they stoop so low... I will cheer for Bond's help in runs produced, games won, World Series won, but never, ever will I be glad for a Bond's home run title. I cannot fathom such a thing. Ugh. I'm almost sick...

That, and the weirdness of a possibility of having Hershiser managing. What a world, what a world...

by Gromit1025 on Nov 16, 2006 4:16 PM PST reply actions  

Barry M. Bloom to play Short Stop!!
For the Right Price of course!!
Asked if the A's would sign Bonds at the "right price," Wolff added: "We'd have you playing shortstop at the right price."

You see! This is how rumors get started! One person makes ONE comment and suddenly it is a story.

Barry M. Bloom to take over for my boy, I think NOT! Discuss...

"This is the best hug in the major leagues, right here!" - Swisher Pics

by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Nov 16, 2006 4:26 PM PST reply actions  

I'm very afraid of the Bonds idea...
because I know Beane is dead serious about it.  They will be in, hard, on Bonds talks if it looks like his price tag will be reasonable.

While the A's clubhouse is very accepting, I think Bonds is precisely the kind of guy that they won't accept.  I think putting yourself before the team (which is Bonds' specialty) is the one cardinal sin they WON'T tolerate.

"Next thing you know, they'll have me taking an overdose of pills."--Milton Bradley

by jeepers on Nov 16, 2006 4:35 PM PST reply actions  

I am positive that Bonds will be fine in Oakland
and I hope he breaks the record in Oakland.
I'm sure that'll help the attendance in Oakland, and maybe generate enough money to keep the A's in Oakland.
So far the offseason sucks.

Name the new manager, and get our DH taken care of, and tell Zito "we can't afford you, so we won't even make you an offer" or sign him.
Damn did Tejada get screwed

"Straight outta Oakland, California where we sparkin on ya" - 2Pac

by Erik being Erik on Nov 16, 2006 4:49 PM PST reply actions  

No doubt he'd sell tickets.
And I also think he'd probably be productive?  But why are you so sure he would be fine in Oakland (honest question)?
"Next thing you know, they'll have me taking an overdose of pills."--Milton Bradley

by jeepers on Nov 16, 2006 5:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I would love...
to see Garciaparra in Oakland. Not only would he be a great DH and a proven clutch hitter, but he can fill in at first anytime. 2 years, 7 million plus major       incentives.

by hans @ Athletics Nation on Nov 16, 2006 5:03 PM PST reply actions  

yeah...
Plus, he could fill in at SS or 3B if need be.
"Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser" -- Vince Lombardi

by HugeAthleticSupporter on Nov 16, 2006 5:21 PM PST up reply actions  

So long Frank...
it was a great ride!
Let's GO OAKLAND!!!

by OaktownRajah on Nov 16, 2006 5:33 PM PST reply actions  

Aren't the Twins a small market team?
I wonder how they are gonna keep their lefty Cy Young winner? I bet they will find a way.

And they have a new stadium already in the works. This game is not fair at all...

Let's GO OAKLAND!!!

by OaktownRajah on Nov 16, 2006 5:40 PM PST reply actions  

Sheer genius
on the part of the OAKLAND ATHLETICS to get Bonds, if they can.  They really don't care about the current OAKLAND ATHLETICS fans, nor the current OAKLAND A's players and how Bonds will sit in our stomachs.  All they are looking for are seats to be filled that shows proof of/reason to get the new stadium, and for the advantage of having a distinction over the sf giants (shall we thus refer to them 'midgets', or to be pc, 'little people'?) of having Bonds across the Bay.  The OAKLAND ATHLETICS ownership/management is more than likely looking forward to stealing many loyal Bonds fans from the midgets and add them to future numbers at crisco.  Sheer genius, I say.  Billy, you deserve not one but TWO gold stars!!!
I HATE YOU BARRY BONDS, and your little dog too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by LilAnnieOaktown on Nov 16, 2006 5:53 PM PST reply actions  

Still disappointed
Yes, Frank Thomas has every right to play wherever he likes. And no, I am not angry at anyone who decides to accept a job with another "company" in which the pay is considerably higher.
That being said baseballgirl, don't be so quick to say it's the "smart" move, or that you would do the same. It's one thing when we're talking about a school teacher, or plumber, or garbage collecter, or whatever, who goes from making 55,000 a year to 90,000 a year -- that is "life changing" financial security in which it would be very, very difficult NOT to accept.
But we're talking about a millionaire several times over here -- Frank Thomas has made millions, and millions, and millions of dollars in his career. Do you think there's something he's going to be able to afford now, or something he'll be able to provide his kids now, if he signs with Toronto vs. taking "less money" with Oakland???!!!
Again, I don't begrudge a guy being free to do with his life what he wishes -- but to move to Toronto after such a great year in Oakland in which he got along so well -- statistically, emotionally, financially, etc. etc. -- simply because he will earn a few more millions, doesn't really sit well.  His right? Sure. But it doesn't make him look all that great in my book.
VacaAsFan

by Vacafan on Nov 16, 2006 9:42 PM PST reply actions  

It's all about value
Big Frank was a great deal for us last year, and would have been had he only played 80 games and hit 20-25 HR's. This is simply due to the genius contract that Oakland management signed him to. At the proposed contract cost for next year and less incentives, his injury risk is just not worth the price. Again, Moneyball at its finest: getting production out of someone who is undervalued by other teams, and then later letting someone overpay when that same player becomes overvalued. Now whether Barry is undervalued and/or worth the cost to the clubhouse is beyond me a this point...

by timq24 on Nov 16, 2006 11:21 PM PST reply actions  

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