ALCS Series Preview: Oakland A's vs. Detroit Tigers
So the A's were decided underdogs in the series against the Twins. They will play that role once again against the Tigers, at least according to the MSM. We know this because anyone who gives the Yankees the Zed from Pulp Fiction treatment will automatically be the favorites going into the next round.
"Whose plane is this?"
"It's a chartered flight to Oakland, baby."
"Whose chartered flight to Oakland is this?"
"It's A-Rod's."
"Who's A-Rod?"
"A-Rod's dead, baby. A-Rod's dead."
We all know that most will favor the Detroit Tigers against our A's. Yet how do the teams compare? Very similarly, believe it or not, with the main differentiator being the approach at the plate. One is a patient team, the other, not so much.
That being said, I do think the A's have a couple of big hurdles to overcome. The first being the presence of Kenny Rogers who owns our A's for some reason, especially at the Coliseum. Rogers attacked his reputation as a postseason choker with a brilliant performance in Game 3 of the ALDS and his presence has to frighten the A's just a bit. The other is Placido Polanco, who is simply awesome when he faces A's pitching. You'd think he was Justin Morneau, only a little less...Canadian.
Here are how the matchups look statistically:
Starting Pitching: Rogers, Justin Verlander, Jeremy Bonderman and Nate Robertson vs. Barry Zito, Esteban Loaiza, Danny Haren and Rich Harden. This is a very, very good matchup. Whereas the Twins dropped a couple of notches after Santana, the Tigers will have a challenging pitcher taking the mound every single game. The Tigers starting pitching finished the season with a 4.00 ERA, lowest in the American League. The A's were tied for fourth with the Twins at 4.50. The A's finished the ALDS with the lowest ERA of any of the four American League teams at 2.33. The Tigers finished second at 3.60. Of course, Detroit pitching was facing the potent Yankee bats and while the Twins aren't exactly slouches, Bartlett, Punto and Tyner aren't Matsui, Jeter and Sheffield. You've got to give the Tigers a slight edge here which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Remember, the A's starters like to be counted out (i.e. Zito vs. Santana). I still think I would've liked the A's to roll the dice with Harden over Loaiza in Game 2, but we shall see. Loaiza came through with a very good Game 2 in a place where he's been horrific in the past.
ADVANTAGE: TIGERS
Relief Pitching: This is another area where these teams match up extremely closely. You've got Walker, Zumaya and Jones against Duchscherer, Calero and Street. The Tigers also edged the A's statistically in this department with the Tigers pen finishing the season with a 3.55 ERA in their pen compared to the A's 3.62 in their pen. Zumaya is absolutely dominant, but I think the rest of the A's pen matches up very favorably against the Tigers pen. The A's have a slight edge in this department, even if Street has been a little shaky in his appearances.
ADVANTAGE: A'S
Offense: To many, there be no question which team has the better offense. I would argue that it's closer than people think. Yes, the Tigers scored 51 more runs than the A's in the regular season. The A's hold a slight edge in OBP at .340 vs. .329 even though the Tigers had the better batting average. But during the Tigers freefall over the second half which ultimately led to the A's facing the Twins in the first round instead of the Motown cats, the A's were significantly better. The A's had a better batting average .279 vs. .274, but the big difference came in the on-base percentage. The A's OBP was .360 for the second half compared to the Tigers .328.
And this is one of the areas where I think the A's can take clear advantage of the Tigers. Most of the Tigers are pretty impatient hitters. The only player who showed a semblance of patience was Carlos Guillen and his .400 OBP. Most of the rest of the Tigers hitters hover around .310 or so. In fact, the Tigers had the second most strikeouts in the AL behind the Cleveland Indians and when you combine that with the second fewest walks in the AL you realize that the A's offense could look dynamic next to these guys. The A's had 220 more walks this year than the Tigers.
So while many would probably say the Tigers have the edge in this department, I think that if the A's pitchers exploit that lack of patience by going out of the zone to get some swinging strikes, the A's could have the better offense. If nothing more than you know that the A's hitters will make the Tigers pitchers work for everything they get.
ADVANTAGE: A'S
Defense: The Tigers have good defense in all positions, but the Twins did too. The defense could be viewed as the main difference between the A's winning and losing in the first round as the Athletics made all the plays from spectacular to routine (except the Bradley miss in the ninth in Game 1). The A's had the second best fielding percentage in baseball and while that does take a significant hit without Mark Ellis, I still give the edge to the A's.
ADVANTAGE: A'S
Manager: Many of you will soon find out that I voted for Jim Leyland as Manager of the Year on my SB Nation ballot. I don't think that changes in the playoffs. Macha made all the right moves in the first round, even though I still disagree with the decision to send Zito out for the eighth in Game 1, it worked out for him. He did an excellent job managing the bullpen and he stuck to his guns keeping Chavez batting behind the Big Hurt and that paid huge dividends in Game 3 as Chavy had possibly his best postseason game of his career. Still, Leyland has pushed all the right buttons with his team despite the fade at the end. He directed them past an offensive juggernaut in a short series. Again, the manager doesn't mean much if the starters go out and get whacked around, but I think the Tigers have a guy who has won a World Series. The A's don't.
ADVANTAGE: TIGERS
This is once again a really tough call. But if there is any differentiator, I think the A's ability to work a pitcher and the Tigers lack of patience will pay dividends for the A's in the end. One thing is for sure, this should be a low scoring series with the quality of pitching on the mound.
The truth is that whoever winds up coming out of this series will be a big favorite against the Cards or Mets. This series will likely decide the 2006 World Champion, so buckle up and hold on tight.
By the way, I have a new FSN Bay Area column up if you want to check it out. LET'S GO A'S!!!!!!
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Quick note, Blez
I think I was pointing
by Tyler Bleszinski on Oct 9, 2006 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
great analysis
Zito on KNBR
by Checkswing HR on Oct 9, 2006 11:03 AM PDT reply actions
thanks!
by sf drift king on Oct 9, 2006 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
NOOOoooooo
I don't want our guys thinking this way.
We play much better when people count us out. And besides, I think the Mets would be heavy favorites over us. Everyone will be focusing on the loss of Thomas in NL park giving them the advantage.
I hate to be presumptuos..
by Catfish on Oct 9, 2006 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he would have to
No
by Philip Christy on Oct 10, 2006 2:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Hmmmm......I wonder
by Catfish on Oct 11, 2006 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I was doing that LONG
by Tyler Bleszinski on Oct 9, 2006 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
pretty fair analysis
We aren't underdogs
Funny
What experts have you seen saying the A's aren't underdogs?
by Tyler Bleszinski on Oct 9, 2006 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
It's about dead even with the official Vegas line
by OaktownPower on Oct 9, 2006 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
That means Vegas has no clue
And a toss up means...
By the way, three of five on ESPN.com's ALCS page pick the A's -- all five say the series goes no fewer than six games (three say seven).
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Oct 9, 2006 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
det -115 oak -105. we be the underdog
When the heck
Anyone know what the time will actually be?
by Tyler Bleszinski on Oct 9, 2006 11:18 AM PDT reply actions
game starts at 5pm for all the A's ALCS homegames
The American League Championship Series is just about sold out but Luxury Suites tickets are still available and believe it or not the prices are pretty comparable to the other tickets in the stadium:
Price per person in the ALCS for a suite in a luxury suite - $100. That's 24 tickets in a luxury suite for $2,400. Limited number of 18 seaters for $1,800.
-The Field Level tickets which are now sold out are $75 per person. So for $25 more you get a seat in the comfort of a private box!
-So round up some friends, clients, co-workers and come cheer the A's on to the World Series !!
-Game Times: Tuesday Oct 10th @ 5pm, Wed. Oct 11th @ 5pm, Tues Oct. 17th @ 5pm (if necessary), Wed Oct. 18th @ 5pm (if necessary)
Please let me know if you have any questions or if you'd like to make a reservation while suites are still available!
Go A's!
So which series gets on Fox and
by Tyler Bleszinski on Oct 9, 2006 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I read somewhere that Fox is doing
they will be broadcasted simultaneously
from FOX's website
FOX SPORTS PRESENTS NATIONAL AND AMERICAN LEAGUE CHAMPIONSHIP SERIES ACTION IN SPLIT REGIONAL FEED WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 11, ON FOX AND FX
FOX Sports presents simultaneous coverage of Major League Baseball's 2006 postseason with Game #1 of the National League Championship Series and Game #2 of the American League Championship Series. Teams, sites and broadcasters TBA. The games air live and in HD Wednesday, Oct. 11 (8:00 PM-CC ET / 5:00 PM-CC PT) on FOX and FX. (SP-0713) (TV-N/A) CC-HDTV 720p-Dolby Digital 5.1
[VIEWER'S NOTE 1: This broadcast is a split regional feed with FX so that both games are carried in all markets.] [VIEWER'S NOTE 2: BONES and JUSTICE are preempted this night.] [VIEWER'S NOTE 3: Local programming airs in primetime on the West Coast.]
See, THIS is annoying...
It's a head scratcher.
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Oct 9, 2006 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure..
You're both right
by blueconversechucks on Oct 9, 2006 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
MLB confirms
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/schedule/ps_06.jsp
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Oct 9, 2006 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
ALCS Tickets available
So I've got about 6 extra tickets for both Game 1 and Game 2, but the scalpers on Cragislist sicken me. I'd much rather sell them to legitimate A's fans at my cost.
If interested, email me at jrube@stanford.edu. These tickets are Print at Home, so I can email you the link to the ticket upon receipt of Paypal or Neteller payment.
Just sent you an e-mail ...
by angus hanger on Oct 9, 2006 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Keep those Tigers Hitters Swinging
I heard on the radio
Why, you ask? I have no freaking idea. Thanks, Jim!
'Course, this would mean that Kenny pitches Game 7 at the Coliseum. Maybe that's the idea.
by Checkswing HR on Oct 9, 2006 11:31 AM PDT reply actions
That would be horrible
My revised take on Kenny...
With that said, right now I don't think there's a difference between him pitching in Oakland or Detroit. He has a comfort level pitching in Oakland, but just as much of one in Detroit. Therefore it's mute.
Oh, and as was pointed out, he would get Game #7 in the Coliseum if it gets that far. This would be the biggest game of the career for Kenny. Do you think lightning will strike twice?
by gmoneymcg on Oct 9, 2006 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
moot...
Things that can't or don't make sound are mute. </nitpick>
All good points otherwise. I really hope there is no game 7. Kenny should be playing golf by then.
Gotta Love the Homerism
I know a lot of stat heads are going to hate it, but you can't quantify what Polanco does to that team. For some inexplainable reason, they hit better with him there and keep on trucking.
I wouldn't be surprised a lick if the Tigers outscore the A's in this series (that doesn't mean they'll win though).
I will be surprised if we outscore them.
by fadedash on Oct 9, 2006 11:33 AM PDT reply actions
Wait, so I get accused of homerism
by Tyler Bleszinski on Oct 9, 2006 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Woo hoo!
That means they care!!!
by baseballgirl on Oct 9, 2006 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Someone once told me
by Tyler Bleszinski on Oct 9, 2006 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
you and your homey Rev
by ohtobe21likehuston on Oct 9, 2006 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
A guy who creates the most heavily
Is that most trafficked sports blog
by Salvatore on Oct 9, 2006 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
All sports blogs, if I'm not mistaken.
If that's true...
by Salvatore on Oct 9, 2006 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I just don't agree with your train of logic
Why are you only looking at the 2nd half there, but aren't looking at only the 2nd half of starting and relief pitching?
No comment on the affects of Polanco?
Just seems a little empty.
by fadedash on Oct 9, 2006 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Just another day where I wish
Hey, I actually said it with a straight face!
Way to exaggerate
I called it a "little empty".
If you can't handle criticisms without sour grapes, that's fine. At least add something more beneficial than that.
by fadedash on Oct 9, 2006 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
OK, fair enough:
Fadedash
Well, speaking as a front page writer...
Blez tries really hard to be an objective fan, and he did a good job with this matchup preview. It's frustrating when someone makes an offhand comment labeling him as something he tries very hard not to be.
I'm all about constructive crisitism...
Constructive criticsism:
Seriously though, almost everyone enjoys the front-page writers' posts, which you know, so what's the point of letting yourself be upset by the inevitable group of malcontents who want to criticize you?
I'm not upset ;)
Seriously, though.
A.L.C.S. How can anyone be upset?!
MikeA, my reason for jumping in
I used to ignore about half the comments I wanted to reply to with indignation, and now I've gotten better and I ignore about 19 out of 20. But this was the 20th. See y'all in another 20!
wrong e/a transposition
(And we were supposed to critique Nico's animal costumery: yes, his rampant ram-pants-ism.)
I have to agree, eshock:
<goes on being perfect>
He said
Sorry, MikeA, you're right:
Polanco is huge
He eats the A's alive and would be someone I fear more than anyone else in the Tigers lineup.
I weigh the second half heavily because to me the A's become a different team in the second half.
I still think the Tigers batting approach could be their downfall if the A's have a good pitching plan. I think the A's could work the Tigers starters pitch count up early even if they are dealing. I think that could be a deciding factor.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Oct 9, 2006 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Given the presence of Harden,
I for one still believe that
The other thing is that the Yankees offense
By the way, ESPNEWS has been all Torre, all day today. Even my favorite of the ESPN "properties" is going down the toilet.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Oct 9, 2006 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL...so true.
The Yanks offensive collapse is one for the ages. No way would anyone predict the Yanks being taken in three straight. Did the Tigers outplay them or were the Yanks due for a fall? The seemed to be pressing awfully hard, as if the weight of the expectations placed on them proved to much to bear.
As much as I'd rather see A's coverage
by blueconversechucks on Oct 9, 2006 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
when does Dr Frist remote-diagnose Torre?
Torre really *is* on notice!
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Oct 9, 2006 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Momentum is overrated
So why
by fadedash on Oct 9, 2006 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
The difference, to me, is that
Saarloos turned in
Look, if you're going to mess up
<turns to face corner of sandbox>
That they are
I'm just saying if you're going to say that the trueness of this team is represented by their 2nd half performance, why are we looking at year long stats of the A's rotation and bullpen?
Shouldn't there be continuity?
by fadedash on Oct 9, 2006 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree
And obviously, even though they were a different team in the 2nd half, it's not like we can discount what happened in the 1st half. Good pitching, like the Tigers, can make any team's offense look as bad as the first half A's (see NYY).
I agree that the Tigers batting approach, like Minnesota's, will work against them. Especially because Detroit is filled with fastball primary hitters. Zito, Loaiza, and Haren all have breaking pitches that can do damage.
I just don't see how the A's offense is going to handle Detroit's pitching staff. I'm sure there is a stat for it somewhere, but I think its safe to say that the A's are one of the teams that struggle the most against elite pitchers.
by fadedash on Oct 9, 2006 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
What is your point?
I think most people would agree that the Tigers have an excellent pitching staff, though I'm not sure which of their starters qualify as "elite". Without having all the numbers in front of me, I think their pitching suffered more in the 2nd half than the A's did, and the A's have a "new" Loaiza, and hopefully a healthy Harden to shift even further in our favor. I had Verlander and Bonderman on my fantasy teams, and their 2nd half stats definitely took a nose-dive. Bonderman looked very, very good against the Yankees, which frankly surprised me. Verlander has nasty stuff, but gave up a lot of baserunners and was lucky to not give up more runs.
Anyway, I don't think Blez was being too biased in picking the numbers he did; most people would say the A's and Tigers both have good, deep pitching staffs, regardless of 1st/2nd half splits, whereas most people who look at the season stats for offense might conclude that the Tigers are a superior offensive team. They are certainly a good offensive team, but as Blez is trying to point out, the team the A's fielded in the 2nd half is more indicative of their offensive potential, and should narrow the gap considerably.
by kcfries on Oct 9, 2006 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow.
Yes that was my point exactly. </end sarcasm>
by fadedash on Oct 9, 2006 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Agree, kcfries, and furthermore
But to call a difference of opinion "homerism" is just pathetic, IMO. Why not chalk it up to "anti-midgetism" while you're at it, since that doesn't enter into it either?
I didn't question which rotation was better
I was simply wondering if the A's are such a 2nd half team, why look at the 1st half stats of anything? Focus on the 2nd half stats of the rotation and the bullpen then as well.
We include the first half of the season for the pitching staff, but not for the offense? Why?
by fadedash on Oct 9, 2006 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Reaching...Grasping...
...Nope, sorry, too stupid. :-(
Here's my answer, though
Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go get Salvatore two aspirin.
You want Frank to play SS?
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Oct 9, 2006 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I think
by Salvatore on Oct 9, 2006 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
2nd Half is More Important
by Dann on Oct 9, 2006 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Well I do believe that you're
But fine article, nonetheless.
Tigers Def definitely has an advantage
Excellent Analysis
I like the underdog status that goes along with the A's, but I also think that the winner of the ALCS will be the WS favorite.
by IndianaAsfan on Oct 9, 2006 11:35 AM PDT reply actions
Eric Byrnes
This is a sure sign that the End of Days is truly at hand.
Radio Byrnes
by Salvatore on Oct 9, 2006 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm really looking forward to this series
by aymlam79 on Oct 9, 2006 11:42 AM PDT reply actions
I wonder if the starting pitching advantage
I am so very happy they're sending Robertson out there twice and Bonderman just once.
I disagree
I disagree with your disagree ;)
I'd take Zumaya
But I agree with your general point that the A's have better hitting. I also believe that bullpen-wise, it's a tossup.
I'll always take the guy who throws 100mph
Zumaya vs Duch
IP 83.1 Hit 56 Run 20 ER 18 HR 6 Walk 42 K 97 ERA 1.94 WHIP 1.18 BAA .187
Duch -
IP 55.2 Hit 52 Run 18 ER 18 HR 4 Walk 9 K 51 ERA 2.91 WHIP 1.10 BAA .244
Hmm when lining up their stats, they look pretty close together. Duch has pitched less, but he has a similar homeruns rate, allows more hits, but allows far fewer walks. I really like the advantage in WHIP and the fact his strikeout rate isn't that much lower than Zumaya, considering he pitching 15mph slower. I don't see Zumaya as being better than Duch at all presently, he's got velocity, but he's also lacking command with the 42 walks. I think potential-wise, Zumaya will probably be the better reliever(Possibly Gagne with less command). I'm going to call it a TIE.
Meanwhile I think we should bring up another comparison
Street - ERA 3.31 WHIP 1.09
Jones - ERA 3.94 WHIP 1.27
I'm certainly worried about Street's effectiveness recently, but I'd be more worried with Todd Jones. (Who also had a poor september). I think it's pretty clear who's the better pitcher here.
Now one thing to note is that our middle relievers are definitely looking worse compared to the tigers ones. Walker and Rodney have better stats than Kiko and Kennedy. I'd consider the rest of the pen to be basically a wash. I think the A's still have a slight advantage in the pen with Duch and Street, but it's a pretty minor one at best.
I'm glad you looked
by Catfish on Oct 9, 2006 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd take street over Jones
Rodney has good stats,
So personally, I'd take Calero and J. Walker if I could have any two.
Accept when you walk someone....
by Catfish on Oct 9, 2006 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
All I want are some timely hits now
I think people fall in love
by Tyler Bleszinski on Oct 9, 2006 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Duke is a better pitcher
Zumaya can't pitch a 2nd inning?
Interesting stat on Zumaya
Sure he can go 2 innings, but I'd rather face him in his second inning than in his first. With Duke, I don't think it matters.
Zumaya's splits
For pitches 16-30, OBP 346, SLG 307
For pitches 31-45, OBP 176, SLG 188
Duke's Splits
Pitches 1-15, OBP 278, SLG 367
Pitches 16-30, OBP 250, SLG 205
He's pretty much never thrown more pitches than that.
For what it's worth
Zumaya 3.38
Duke 2.90
Street 2.61
Calero 2.93
Kennedy 2.92
Statistics say Zumaya isn't all that. In fact, if you buy into FIP, Det's bullpen isn't that good.
Tigers
Bob
If you buy into FIP
No, I don't buy into FIP.
Zumaya has been worked...
by As06 on Oct 9, 2006 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Everybody's points are well taken
Bullpen:
Detroit has Zumaya, who is obviously the most dominant reliever on either team. One poster above did a statistical analysis, with Duchscherer having a better WHIP than Zumaya. However, I would look at the BAA of Zumaya (around .180 I believe) as the more effective indicator of dominance. Even if his control isn't great, the likelihood of the runners he walks scoring off of hits is very low (which accounts for some of the ERA difference). Someone on one of the major sports sites made a comparison of Zumaya and Jones to Rivera and Wetteland from '96; I think that's fairly accurate. Jones is hittable, much like Wetteland, but the 9th inning isn't always the most important. Overall, Oakland has the deeper bullpen with Duke, Street, and Calero as the top 3 options, but Detroit has the better left-handed specialist in Walker and a dominant stopper in Zumaya.
Hitting:
Obviously, we have big Frank, who's been the Giambi of this year's lineup. I think back to the Yankees series when Giambi (the MVP that year) was in our lineup to express what a difference having a big bat in your lineup means. He collected almost every big hit, while most of the other guys, while certainly above average hitters, were neutralized by good pitching. However, Detroit has quite a few clutch and reliable bats; Magglio is no slouch, and Pudge isn't either. While Detroit's lineup doesn't walk much, they can hit, and hit for power. It's awfully tough to pitch to lineup that has a power threat in every spot. That having been said, good pitching will shut down most hitters except for the dominant ones. I expect Frank to carry the load even when Detroit's power arms are on the mound. Most of our other hitters will be overmatched. Then again, so will most of Detroit's lineup. Edge to the A's here (thanks for signing with us Big Hurt, we really needed you).
Detroit
by Salvatore on Oct 9, 2006 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
A's Lineup
But think Chavez and Bradley will be the key. I have to think that the Tigers will not allow Frank to beat them, which will leave a lot of clutch situations to Chavez. While Bradley needs to provide a little more production out of the 3 hole.
<penning thank you notes>
b) Rogers should be starting game two, and he's not.
Glad both of these things are the case!!!
Great preview, Blez! I literally cannot wait for this series. I think it's going to be great!
I'm sure Tiger fans are penning their own
"Thank you for not pitching Harden in game 2 and twice in this series but instead going with E-Lo who we crushed this year!"
For the record, I'm fine with making him the game 2 starter. Just as how I'm sure Tiger fans are fine with having Rogers not pitch game 2 to have him ready for game 7.
by fadedash on Oct 9, 2006 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm a little nervous
by DavidA on Oct 10, 2006 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Least Likely
Maybe the least likely outcome for the ALDS against Minnesota happened, so maybe the least likely possible scenario will prevail against Detroit!
Weird season, weird post-season! Go A's!
by Borbass on Oct 9, 2006 12:03 PM PDT reply actions
Why isn't Rogers starting Game 2?
Not sure
haha maybe someone knows, but there doesn't seem to be a real immediate reason for it.
by Borbass on Oct 9, 2006 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not complaining either. :)
Jimmy Leyland
I can't wait for this series to start.
And I am thrilled that the Yanks aren't in it. Hahahahaha. Serves 'em right.
Can't wait for tomorrow! :D
Wow..
Maybe they should have Harden
by Tyler Bleszinski on Oct 9, 2006 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
He would be nasty in that weather...
by OaktownPower on Oct 9, 2006 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
and he should be going in Game 3
I want to see Haren throw only once,
Well we could use Haren in relief
Sadly, I've been outside
That's exactly what I tell my students!
My sister always told me
It's so true!
Holding Rogers back for Games 3/7
Given the fact that N. Robertson is starting two of the first five games, I like the A's chances of going up 3 games to 2 and having the opportunity to close it out in 6.
And that's my official prediction: A's in 6 or Tigers in 7, hopefully the former.
not buying it
Rogers is NOT that great of a pitcher. The A's have had trouble in the past from Santana (who hasn't?) and the Metrodome, but that didn't matter last week, so I'm not conceding anything to Detroit as far as Kenny Rogers is concerned. I think teams beat each other, not just pitchers.
He's just not that great of a pitcher, and a good start against the mighty Yankees doesn't change that, if you ask me.
The A's could have just as much trouble with Robertson, Verlander or Bonderman.
There's really no telling and I don't think looking at the matchups will mean much come gametime.
by Borbass on Oct 9, 2006 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Rogers
Bob
I'm not any more
I also think home/away splits for pitchers are meaningless.
good point
Just like the team has changed a lot since our premature post-season exits.
I agree that I'm glad they're pitching Robertson twice. Funny how these sorts of things can't be considered good for the team till long after we see the results.
I have a feeling the A's don't care who is pitching. They seem determined to not lose a game.
by Borbass on Oct 9, 2006 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
One thought
Calls the curve?
hm
by Borbass on Oct 9, 2006 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Unless he's "guessing fastball,"
Good thing Ron KKKulpa isn't working the playoffs
Crawford:
The over is 19-12 in the game he has umped.
Strikes on 61% of pitches.
12.4 K's per game todal and 7.2 walks.
Looks like a hitter's ump so far this season.
Where do you find that stuff?
Quick study using Retrosheet
June 22, 2002 at Cincinnati:
Zito: 7 IP, 3 H, 3 R, 1 BB, 6 K
A's win 10-3, Zito was the winning pitcher
June 6, 2003 at Philadelphia:
6 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 3 BB, 3 K
A's win 7-4, Zito was the winning pitcher
July 15, 2005 vs. Texas at Oakland:
8 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 2 BB, 5 K
A's win 7-2, Zito was the winning pitcher
Retrosheet doesn't yet have the game logs organized by umpire for 2006 so I can't check that directly.
by cynthia2003 on Oct 9, 2006 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow
That's correct
by cynthia2003 on Oct 9, 2006 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
That's FREAKY.
Now that has to take the cake as
No-no in Game 1--book it!
Cmon, don't woof-
Adding one more game to the list
June 1 at the Coliseum vs. Minnesota
7 IP, 4 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 5 K
Zito was the winning pitcher as the A's won, 4-0
So Zito's career stats for four games with Crawford behind the plate are:
28 IP, 14 H, 6 R, 6 BB, 19 K (4-0, 1.93 ERA)
by cynthia2003 on Oct 9, 2006 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
That is ridiculous
by blueconversechucks on Oct 9, 2006 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
That is Great News
by ChucklesSD on Oct 9, 2006 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
"Oh No!"
by peanut gallery on Oct 9, 2006 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Or when Crawford's name is called....
Or just a big cheer and a standing O.
by DavidA on Oct 10, 2006 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Hat tip
by peanut gallery on Oct 10, 2006 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow! This is what makes AN great.
by WaddellCanseco on Oct 9, 2006 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions
All bets are off
ADVANTAGE: A's
by Catfish on Oct 9, 2006 12:47 PM PDT reply actions
And because he's pitching twice,
We took the Tiggers at home
After the Tigs took out the Yankers, they celebrated like they'd won the World Series. This tells me they've accomplished their wildest dreams for the season and are ready to go home.
Meanwhile, the A's still have 8 more games to win.
Ummm, did you watch the A's celebration
by blueconversechucks on Oct 9, 2006 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually, while not perfect,
Better metrics
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Oct 9, 2006 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions
That's fine--
Patient and Impatient teams
At the time I thought this was interesting for a few reasons:
- I was kind of surprised to see Jones criticize his own teammates so directly in print (although he also gave them some credit for being able to adjust). As far as I know, none of his teammates went all Arthur Rhodes and made a big deal out of it.
- Since it seemed like the Tigers would be the A's likely first-round opponent, I thought it boded well for our success against them.
- I had frequently heard the exact same criticism of the A's contrasting approach: that taking pitches works well against bad pitchers, because they'll get behind and either walk you or throw a hittable pitch over the center of the plate, but against the good pitchers you end up taking too many strikes early in the count and being forced to expand your zone too much.
One related (and slightly worrying) fact that I mentioned after friday's game: A's starters, though they didn't allow many runs, struck out only 5 batters over the 19 innings they pitched against the Twins. I think they'll need to get some more swings-and-misses in order to keep up their success.
Great points, andeux--
If that's indeed the key, I like the A's chances, because they are regarded as the single most prepared team in the area of advanced scouting.
i'd venture
for this reason i like have zito and elo pitching games 1 and 2. both are savvy enough to keep mixing up their pitches and throw lots of them that aren't quite strikes. while haren and harden have better stuff, they are also more prone to throwing their heaters over the fat of the plate, which is what the tigers hitters feast on.
Twins/Tigers
The Tigers to me have a much tougher lineup to to bottom. But the contrasting styles will be interesting to watch. Can we get them to chase pitches, will we get key walks or will they throw strkes and put our hitters in the hole.
Good Pitchers can Handle all Approaches?
This is a HUGE stat!!! Unearned runs!!!
To, me it is not just the number of runs that do not score because of error.
It is the number of runs these defenses TAKE off of the board.
by saint @ Athletics Nation on Oct 9, 2006 2:45 PM PDT reply actions
exact start time
Both Tues and Weds first pitch at 5:19
by millbraeforAsfan on Oct 9, 2006 3:04 PM PDT reply actions
Game Two Tickets Availiable...
Can't make it to Game 2, so want to get these to a real A's fan.
Section 105 Row 29
E-mail me at gdub171@gmail.com
They are print-at-home tickets
M-Rod wants them!!!
by saint @ Athletics Nation on Oct 9, 2006 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Tickets Still Availiable...
All I can say....
by SunnyDay on Oct 9, 2006 3:25 PM PDT reply actions
LCS umpires named
i never remember if umps were good or bad at calling games ... except for angel hernandez. angel hernandez sucks!
Those tickets are tempting
by Salvatore on Oct 9, 2006 3:52 PM PDT reply actions
unfortunately
Go A's! ! !
by ohtobe21likehuston on Oct 9, 2006 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
At that Day On The Green
by Salvatore on Oct 9, 2006 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Salvatore to A's and Tigers:
What does being dead and Christian and White
I'm none of those while my 2 favourite composers, Bach and Beethoven, were all of those.
You want thundering Beethoven, but then don't want loud music?
Thundering
by Salvatore on Oct 10, 2006 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions
So what thundering Beethoven would you
Or maybe some of the piano sonatas? Apassionata? Hammerklavier? Or Opus 111?
It's all good...
by Salvatore on Oct 10, 2006 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Small Sample size or NOT:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/bvsp?playerId=5588
by saint @ Athletics Nation on Oct 9, 2006 4:19 PM PDT reply actions
Zito is under a lot of pressure...
Let's GO OAKLAND!!
Pick to click: Kendall
Hmm, I dunno...
I predict that if Torre gets his walking papers
If we all wear those Byrnes pin striped suits
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Oct 9, 2006 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought
it is indeed canceled and ESPN has been
losing the first game at home = ALCS is over
BREAKING NEWS...
MORE BREAKING NEWS....
Ken Macha was on KNBR earlier...
I Was Wondering
by As06 on Oct 9, 2006 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions
more
Righty Dan Haren, however, would be available to work Game 7 if he started Game 4, and Forst said that will be among the considerations factoring into the decision.
"Dan's been strong all year," Forst said. "[Starting him in Game 4] probably leaves your options open more."
I'd really rather not see Haren
At this point, if ELo is the "safe choice" to pitch twice in the series, throw Harden once in Game 4 and be done with it. And if Game 7 goes into the 11th inning, put Harden in, sit back and relax.
I was thinking the same about Haren
let it be zito, loaiza, haren, harden,
zito, loaiza, haren + everybody.
LET'S GO OAKLAND!!!
I think you guys misunderstood
Harden would start Game 3 and 7 and Haren would be available for relief in the 7th game.
Haren wouldn't start the 7th game on 3 days' rest. Why would they do that?
Is anybody else alarmed by this from the article:
"'I thought he got a little tired in the fourth, and he gave up a few hits and three or four runs in that one inning, but there were a couple of misplays in the field -- a ball was dropped in the outfield, things like that. Overall, though, he was fine. He's ready to go.'"
This doesn't exactly bolster my expectations for a quality start this weekend from Rich if he gets tired after, what, 40 pitches and gives up three or four runs to a bunch of minor league hitters. I don't care how bad the fielding was.
Did anybody see his start against LAA? What was he doing wrong?
by Checkswing HR on Oct 9, 2006 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Harden/Sar or Blanton
by Dann on Oct 9, 2006 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Kenny Rogers in Game 3 in Detroit is bad...
Rogers
by jarforcefatherofforce on Oct 9, 2006 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmmmm....Game 7
by ChucklesSD on Oct 9, 2006 6:24 PM PDT reply actions
It's Kiger
by Dann on Oct 9, 2006 7:39 PM PDT reply actions
Wow...
Kiger kills lefties.
by thomasstearns on Oct 10, 2006 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions
QUESTION REGARDING STANDING ROOM ONLY
by jav on Oct 9, 2006 7:41 PM PDT reply actions
Behind the foul poles
(I hope that's not too confusing!)
Wonder what the big deal
by Salvatore on Oct 9, 2006 8:02 PM PDT reply actions
Seven chances to win four games...
ALCS: Tigers and A's
Let's GO OAKLAND!!!
I heared Zumaya onced threw...
by baseballbill on Oct 9, 2006 8:55 PM PDT reply actions
thoughts
Overall, Blez, your analysis comparing the two teams is solid, and great to read. I believe that it won't mean too much in this series, and I agree that the playoffs is a "whole new ballgame", literally as well as figuratively. The A's are going to be playing in front of their biggest, loudest crowds of the year so far, as long as the games are close. This adrenaline-pumping scenario will be enough for the A's to get that key two out hit (did somebody say "Marco"?), and make the key play at the right time. I don't think we saw how good the A's could really be during the 2 games in the horrordome last week. Outside of the possibly blown call on the Kendall "tag" Friday, the A's have done almost nothing wrong, or at least nothing that has cost them leads or games. Sure, they got a break by facing Brad "handicapped" Radke, but the Tigers don't scare me the way that the Twins did...yet.
LET's GO A's!
by wolffpackdavid on Oct 9, 2006 10:02 PM PDT reply actions
It's a white roof man, give The Gamer some love.
Not Blez homerism, but I'd take the Tigers'
Tigers
If you're wondering whether the Tigers who were 40 games over .500 earlier in the season and beat the Yankees in 4 games were going to show up vs. the Tigers who struggled the last 2 months of the season, I think it's the Tigers who beat the Yankees. Their confidence is back and their starting pitching is back.
That said, the A's starting pitching is good enough to go toe-to-toe with the Tigers. I like the idea of pitching Harden in game 3. I do give the bullpen edge to the A's. The Tigers have Zumaya but the rest are hit and miss. I love Kennedy, Duke, and Calero. Street vs. Jones is close, I'll give Street the slight edge.
I disagree that the Tiger's offense is not as good as the A's. They are both hit and miss but the Tigers have more players that can deliver consistently. The Tigers are agressive, though, so I'm hoping the A's pitching can keep them off balance.
I think the first two games are split. Game 3 is the key. Put Harden in and knock off Kenny Rogers who's coming off the game of his life. The A's get the advantange, come home 3-2, and wrap it up in game 6.
Go A's!!
Prediction: if A's management decides to pitch
I can't wait any longer.
by senork on Oct 9, 2006 11:07 PM PDT reply actions
Homerism
That being said I sure wish Blez would get over the "mangerial mistake" of leaving Barry Zito in after the sixth inning of game 1 in the Twins series. He's mentioned it again today for at least the third time. That was not anywhere near a mistake, in fact, it would've been outright absurd for Macha to pull Zito after the sixth (or for that matter the seventh) inning as he had a three hitter going and was up by two runs (3 to 1 after seven innings) against Santana for christsakes! You let the leader of the staff lead the team to victory and build team confidence especially when Zito was still dealing quite well and under 100 pitches. It was a pitchers matchup for the ages on the big stage and living up to all expectations and you're calling for a pitching change after the sixth inning - sheesh!! I don't care how good our bullpen is - you don't mess with a thing of beauty. Really, Zito should've closed it out.
The only other time I cringed while reading this blog was in the last couple of weeks of the regular season baseballgirl posted that Marco Scutaro was in no way a big league player and should not be batting in an important spot at the end of game. I posted in Marco's defense and got some hate for it by other (I guess) protective AN'ers? I think Marco has proved to all doubters that he is a worthy big leaguer now. And Zito has importantly gained the respect of his team and fans alike for bravely battling deep into a huge game like a star (unlike two years ago when he pulled himself out of a game we were winning against the Angels on the second to last game of the season - a game in which the bullpen blew and the Angels clinched the pennant).
Throw statistics out the window. This is a hungry A's team with gamers who don't play afraid like Thomas, Kotsay, Kendall, Bradley, Payton, Scutaro, and now... Chavez and Zito. Facing a very worth and exciting opponent against the Tigres I say - A's in seven. Go A's!!
I told all these sumbitches
by Salvatore on Oct 10, 2006 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions
It might be easier
I like Scutaro
The stats say that Scutaro is a better player than Crosby, right now at least.
I'd rather not have Scutaro staring
by senork on Oct 10, 2006 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh No! Lou Pinella!
by Dann on Oct 9, 2006 11:41 PM PDT reply actions
Of course Joe Buck won't be doing the ALCS
- His Red Birds are in the NLCS, so that's obviously where he'll be.
- Fox is definitely going to be paying more attention to the NLCS, because it has two of the biggest franchises in the NL, plus it'll be in New York for at least half of it (cue the 9/11/2001 flashbacks, WTC memorialand construction scenes, etc.).
- He hates the A's.
by senork on Oct 10, 2006 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions
That should be "memorial and"
by senork on Oct 10, 2006 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
more stats to digest
http://www.inside-edge.com/espn/postseason_06/tigers_lcs_preview.htm
http://www.inside-edge.com/espn/postseason_06/as_lcs_preview.htm
Pretty much what you'd expect except that it shows the a's as the fastball hitting team and the tigers as the offspeed hitters. I kind of expected our pitchers to be better "well hit" fastball pitchers because staff a little more experienced and locates better on the whole.
D'Angelo Jimenez Bats .325
by Dann on Oct 10, 2006 12:14 AM PDT reply actions
LET'S GO OAK LAND
--Jason (MIT student)
vL lineup
Thank You, AN
Thank you, members of AN, for being my A's community at this most glorious of times.
LET'S GO OAK-LAND!! DUN, DUN, DUNDUNDUN!
by mhoffman on Oct 10, 2006 8:00 AM PDT reply actions
Go A's!!
by What Would Rickey Do on Oct 10, 2006 8:06 AM PDT reply actions
LET'S GO OAKLAND
by okathlfn on Oct 10, 2006 9:08 AM PDT reply actions

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