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10/30/06 DLD: Is it March yet?

Happy Monday, AN!

So baseball is officially over. If you haven't heard, the St. Louis Cardinals are the new champs. *yawn*

Now we brace ourselves for a long winter with lots of questions that will be answered in the next few months.

1. Who will be the A's new manager?

The A's have a bunch of candidates in the running.

- Bob Geren (A's bench coach): interviewing this morning.

- Ron Washington (A's third base coach): interviewing on Tuesday.

- Trey Hillman (the Rangers' former director of minor-league development/ Nippon Ham Fighters manager): interviewing on Wednesday.

- Bud Black (the Angels' pitching coach): doesn't have a firm interview date but probably will meet with the A's front office by the end of this week or early next week.

- Jamie Quirk (the Rockies' bench coach): interviewing on November 7.

- Orel Hershiser (former Texas pitching coach): interviewing on November 8.

- Manny Acta (the Mets' third base coach): expected to interview when he returns from a trip to Japan.

This is it ... for now.

"There's a couple other names we've discussed," A's assistant general manager David Forst said. "We might add another name or two."

2. Will the A's and Frank Thomas get a deal done?

Seems like Big Frank and the A's were "on the verge" to get something done for a while but Frank filed for free agency on the first day. (source)

current list of free agents

3. Where will Barry Zito end up?

I'm really going to try not to listen to all the rumors that will be flying around in the next few weeks about where Zito's going to end up but it'll be pretty hard since he's one of the top free agents in the market. Most analysts/ columnists think Zito will land with one of the New York teams or the Dodgers. Bleh.

4. OT: What is everybody going to be for Halloween?

Reply below! :)

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The A's site has a press release about the 2006 season highlights including individual accomplishments, team accomplishments, and organization accomplishments.

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Cupcakes to Japan?
An explanation of Nippon Ham Fighters:
Ever wonder what a Ham Fighter is? Nippon Ham, which owns the team, is a meatpackaging firm, and the owners leave hams in the locker room every week for the players.

I will be dressing up as Rev Halofan's girlfriend.

by mikeA on Oct 30, 2006 9:21 AM PST reply actions  

That's one scary costume
Don't forget the sores...
Friends don't let friends read HalosHeaven

by BruceBochte on Oct 30, 2006 9:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Country Joe: a lover not a fighter
I don't think Blanton can be a fighter of ham or any other foodstuff until he's at least able to fight his own way out of a locked bathroom.

And if you're going as Mrs. Halofan for Halloween, don't forget the Toyota pickup truck!

I threw that horseshoe into the weeds to see what luck can bring

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Oct 30, 2006 9:28 AM PST up reply actions  

so ...
Joe Blanton, Ham Lover?

Gives a whole new definition to "glazed ham" ...

but jesus--rhyming is a pain in the ass! -- Rubin Sierra @('.')@

by monkeyball on Oct 30, 2006 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

I think you smoked too much honey...
"...sometimes I can't tell the difference between baseball and magic."- salb918 "Ellie plowed into him like an evil, pink unicorn."-ArakSOT

by McFood on Oct 30, 2006 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

oh no, I haven't, dear...
"Having a vote for 'most clutch' baseball player is like having a vote for 'most real' monster." - Ken Tremendous

by ArakSOT on Oct 30, 2006 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Hey, don't Bogart that honey pot...
"...sometimes I can't tell the difference between baseball and magic."- salb918 "Ellie plowed into him like an evil, pink unicorn."-ArakSOT

by McFood on Oct 30, 2006 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

who you callin' names, kettle?
"Having a vote for 'most clutch' baseball player is like having a vote for 'most real' monster." - Ken Tremendous

by ArakSOT on Oct 30, 2006 11:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Hey now, if I'd wanted a party pooper I'd have...
called monkeyball.
"...sometimes I can't tell the difference between baseball and magic."- salb918 "Ellie plowed into him like an evil, pink unicorn."-ArakSOT

by McFood on Oct 30, 2006 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

So...
you're going as a giant hand?

I'm kidding!

"...and then a third guy walks in and starts punching me in the grief bone."

by Jennifer on Oct 30, 2006 9:47 AM PST up reply actions  

of course you're kidding
The correct answer is "as a tiny hand."
but jesus--rhyming is a pain in the ass! -- Rubin Sierra @('.')@

by monkeyball on Oct 30, 2006 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

And it shall be
Halo Red for increased realism.

by mikeA on Oct 30, 2006 9:52 AM PST up reply actions  

I had that one all wrong.
I thought it was the Nippon "Ham Fighters," not the Nippon Ham "Fighters."  I was wondering what was so hard about fighting a ham anyway..
Certum est quod certum reddi potest.

by oblique on Oct 30, 2006 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

That's because the press here is retarded
and can't get the name right, thus it appears both ways.  And the three or so of us Fighters fans outside Japan gave up on trying to correct people several years ago.

Of course, mlb.com lists the Tohoku Rakuten Golden Eagles team name three different ways on the same roster page for the upcoming Japan-MLB all-star game, so I sort of wonder if they're just beyond any hope at this point.

Marinerds - a different daily dose of baseblog.

by Deanna on Oct 30, 2006 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm going as a sailor
Of what country? Not really sure. We found a nice Naval Jacket on Whitby Island and we got it, spent the rest of the trip trying to figure out to what military did it belong to. We believe it to be from WW2, but we haven't had any luck. Could be Norwegian, could be Greek, could be anything.

by Zonis on Oct 30, 2006 9:32 AM PST reply actions  

#4
Since I lack much creativity... I'm going as an A's player. It was either that or Larry the Cable Guy.
BigLeagueChoo: rerish noooo

My blog: Off The Record

by JLaff on Oct 30, 2006 9:36 AM PST reply actions  

Same costume every year
"old grouch hiding from children"
"Having a vote for 'most clutch' baseball player is like having a vote for 'most real' monster." - Ken Tremendous

by ArakSOT on Oct 30, 2006 9:38 AM PST reply actions  

Why do you wear that stupid man suit?
"Having a vote for 'most clutch' baseball player is like having a vote for 'most real' monster." - Ken Tremendous

by ArakSOT on Oct 30, 2006 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

The "stupid man" suit?
Or the stupid "man suit?"
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Oct 30, 2006 10:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Single White Female? Good luck with that.
Spork Wielding Fembot?
"...sometimes I can't tell the difference between baseball and magic."- salb918 "Ellie plowed into him like an evil, pink unicorn."-ArakSOT

by McFood on Oct 30, 2006 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

I knew that already from your sig...
"...sometimes I can't tell the difference between baseball and magic."- salb918 "Ellie plowed into him like an evil, pink unicorn."-ArakSOT

by McFood on Oct 30, 2006 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

What does that involve?
Slide rule and jack boots?
Some are sabermetricians.

by andeux on Oct 30, 2006 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

and if you carry your slide rule ...
... in a European man-purse, that's Metrosexual Stat Wonk Futurism.
but jesus--rhyming is a pain in the ass! -- Rubin Sierra @('.')@

by monkeyball on Oct 30, 2006 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Orwellian
Imagine a sensible shoe with orthotics and high-water dacron pants stamping on a human face -- for ever.
but jesus--rhyming is a pain in the ass! -- Rubin Sierra @('.')@

by monkeyball on Oct 30, 2006 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

i need a baby!
so i can dress him/her up for halloween!

by gotgreen on Oct 30, 2006 9:44 AM PST reply actions  

Couldn't you just dress up
Bobby Crosby in that costume?
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on Oct 30, 2006 9:55 AM PST up reply actions  

ha!
somebody that's good with photoshop, pleeeease replace the baby's face with crosby's!

by gotgreen on Oct 30, 2006 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

I've got a baby, but he's going as...
a monkey:

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"When I got injured, I felt disrespected. Waaannnh!" - Mark Kotsay

by FoolshGame22 on Oct 30, 2006 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

What's with the big 'Boo!'?
Is he watching Byrnes play outfield?
"...sometimes I can't tell the difference between baseball and magic."- salb918 "Ellie plowed into him like an evil, pink unicorn."-ArakSOT

by McFood on Oct 30, 2006 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

no...
watching Kotsay bat against lefties in Game 1 of the ALCS.
"When I got injured, I felt disrespected. Waaannnh!" - Mark Kotsay

by FoolshGame22 on Oct 30, 2006 10:55 AM PST up reply actions  

okay
that is just TOO adorable!!! =)

by gotgreen on Oct 30, 2006 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Not great, but still... BUNNIES.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on Oct 30, 2006 11:08 AM PST up reply actions  

HAHAHAHA
omg, i just LOL'ed at work!!

great job!

by gotgreen on Oct 30, 2006 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

FAN-DIDDLY-TASTIC!
"...sometimes I can't tell the difference between baseball and magic."- salb918 "Ellie plowed into him like an evil, pink unicorn."-ArakSOT

by McFood on Oct 30, 2006 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

<dies>
That is awesome!!
"This is the best hug in the major leagues, right here!" - Swisher Pics

by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Oct 30, 2006 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Going as Hunter S. Thompson.
Anyone know where I can find some ether?
"It's time to blow this team up." - Oaktoon, July 2006

by Ozzz on Oct 30, 2006 9:57 AM PST reply actions  

The crazy people have
gone south for winter.
"...and then a third guy walks in and starts punching me in the grief bone."

by Jennifer on Oct 30, 2006 9:57 AM PST reply actions  

Bitch.
"...and then a third guy walks in and starts punching me in the grief bone."

by Jennifer on Oct 30, 2006 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Dude.
I'm FREEZING here.  Can we rewind to summer?  Or FF to Spring (minus the allergies)?

by AsGirl on Oct 30, 2006 10:01 AM PST reply actions  

<points, laughs>
It was over 70 here this weekend. So nice, in fact, my dog almost ran herself to death. Obviously she didn't get that from me.
"...and then a third guy walks in and starts punching me in the grief bone."

by Jennifer on Oct 30, 2006 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

It was 70 degrees in Sacramento, too.
AsGirl just possesses the peculiarly Californian disease where nighttime temperatures of 50 qualify as cold :-).
"Next thing you know, they'll have me taking an overdose of pills."--Milton Bradley

by jeepers on Oct 30, 2006 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

<Shivering>
52 degrees outside.  67 in this room.  I can barely type.  I think I need another cup of coffee...

by AsGirl on Oct 30, 2006 10:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Shorts weather.
"Next thing you know, they'll have me taking an overdose of pills."--Milton Bradley

by jeepers on Oct 30, 2006 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Bitch.
(Talking about your dog.)
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Oct 30, 2006 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

That made her sad. :(
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"...and then a third guy walks in and starts punching me in the grief bone."

by Jennifer on Oct 30, 2006 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Dude, that was JULY!
Record breaking temperatures.  August and September were PERFECT!

by AsGirl on Oct 30, 2006 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

You know what I hate?
Wind. Especially when it blows my hair all up in my lip gloss.
"...and then a third guy walks in and starts punching me in the grief bone."

by Jennifer on Oct 30, 2006 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Ugh. I know.
I spent an hour straightening my hair this morning (thanks, daylight savings!), all for naught because of the wind.  It's puffy again.

by AsGirl on Oct 30, 2006 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

You need to some way to break up all that wind...
So, let's see...what's the best way to break wind?
"...sometimes I can't tell the difference between baseball and magic."- salb918 "Ellie plowed into him like an evil, pink unicorn."-ArakSOT

by McFood on Oct 30, 2006 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Breaking of the Wind
Communion for one of the lesser known sects of Christianity.
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Oct 30, 2006 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

It beats
clogging up the bases.

by mikeA on Oct 30, 2006 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

We have a weiner!
Quote of the month!
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Oct 30, 2006 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

what do you have against clogging?
I've had enough of you and your virulent anti-Netherlandsism.
but jesus--rhyming is a pain in the ass! -- Rubin Sierra @('.')@

by monkeyball on Oct 30, 2006 11:02 AM PST up reply actions  

New SBNation site:
www.ihatenordicnationsnation.com
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Oct 30, 2006 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

or, for xbhaskarx and other vegans ...
www.ihatenationsnation.com
but jesus--rhyming is a pain in the ass! -- Rubin Sierra @('.')@

by monkeyball on Oct 30, 2006 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

lol
I thought precisely the same thing as I clicked "post." Nicely done, Sporkian mind-meld man.
but jesus--rhyming is a pain in the ass! -- Rubin Sierra @('.')@

by monkeyball on Oct 30, 2006 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Indeed.
We make a good alley-oop team.
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Oct 30, 2006 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Not necessarily.
I'm a vegan with fond memories of Nation's from my pre-vegan days.

by DavidA on Oct 30, 2006 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

That's their whole schtick...
making you feel guilty about sects.
"...sometimes I can't tell the difference between baseball and magic."- salb918 "Ellie plowed into him like an evil, pink unicorn."-ArakSOT

by McFood on Oct 30, 2006 10:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Cronenbergian
Making you feel guilty about being in sects.
but jesus--rhyming is a pain in the ass! -- Rubin Sierra @('.')@

by monkeyball on Oct 30, 2006 11:02 AM PST up reply actions  

So this offseason thing...
What are we supposed to do until ST?  
It's been a while since the last offseason.  I don't remember what we do around here from Oct - Feb besides discussing firing people, trading players, and signing FA.  

by AsGirl on Oct 30, 2006 10:20 AM PST reply actions  

Uh, that's all we talk about
during the season.
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Oct 30, 2006 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

O RLY?
"...and then a third guy walks in and starts punching me in the grief bone."

by Jennifer on Oct 30, 2006 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

My plan is to drink my way through the offseason..
Of course, that's usually my plan of how to get through the season, too.

Hmmm.

"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on Oct 30, 2006 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

My Short List:
These are the names who intrigue me as potential free agent signings.

I would look deeper into these names:

Eaton - Could be had relatively cheap considering his injury past. That same past is also a reason we will not go after him unless he wants an incentive based deal with a 2-3 million dollar guarantee.

Ramon Martinez - He plays every infield position and would is great coming off of the bench.

Moises Alou - I would love to land him and let Payton go. I love Payton's ability to play OF defense, BUT, Alou would give us a RH power bat to hit behind Chavy so that Frank can hit 3rd.

Huff - He can play anywhere and can provide some seriously high octaine OPS when he is on.

Ted Lilly - I have a feeling that our defnse would make him look like more like a CY Young candidate than Barry Zito last year.

Shannon Stewart - I would love him as a replacement for Jay Payton. He has speed and plays a mean CF and he also hits for good power.

"I think we just feel that now is our time." - Nick Swisher

by saint @ Athletics Nation on Oct 30, 2006 10:28 AM PST reply actions  

ok, weird idea
But if you want to talk about bargain basement with huge upside...

...

...Carl Pavano.  

No, probably not.  But it is interesting.  

by mikedaviswhereareyou on Oct 30, 2006 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

He's an option too!!!
At this point, no stone should remain unturned!!!
"I think we just feel that now is our time." - Nick Swisher

by saint @ Athletics Nation on Oct 30, 2006 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

and no Yankee ...
or Humboldt student should remain unstoned ...

by devo on Oct 30, 2006 1:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey Devon:
have you seen the Raider Blog that I'm doing for SB Nation?
"I think we just feel that now is our time." - Nick Swisher

by saint @ Athletics Nation on Oct 30, 2006 1:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Here it is Devin:
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/
"I think we just feel that now is our time." - Nick Swisher

by saint @ Athletics Nation on Oct 30, 2006 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Nice!
I'm doing the same... just with the white jersey.
BigLeagueChoo: rerish noooo

My blog: Off The Record

by JLaff on Oct 30, 2006 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

ahem
your shoes need to be white!

by gotgreen on Oct 30, 2006 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I know I know!
those where the only ones I had. Sorry :-( ok so Im not the most historically accurate A's player but hey the ladies wont care, cause theyll be too busy digging the high socks!

by Amnesiac727 on Oct 30, 2006 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, high socks!
I'm dressing up as Tsuyoshi Shinjo for Halloween.  I think that's the best way to freak out little kids.
Marinerds - a different daily dose of baseblog.

by Deanna on Oct 30, 2006 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Watching him bat
is a good way to freak ME out!
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Oct 30, 2006 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Dude, haven't you been around the AN ladies
enough to know that no shoes = no love? ;-)
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on Oct 30, 2006 11:08 AM PST up reply actions  

I get no love from the ladies anyway
cant miss what you didnt have in the first place, thats what I always say. ;-)

by Amnesiac727 on Oct 30, 2006 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

I think it's firmly established
that the typical woman's first glance is always to the shoes -- the high socks are such the fascination, because every player on the team is required to wear the same, wonderful, white socks.

by devo on Oct 30, 2006 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Hey, it's Marco Scutaro's birthday today
Where's the love from BCG and the rest?
Marinerds - a different daily dose of baseblog.

by Deanna on Oct 30, 2006 11:28 AM PST reply actions  

Marco who?
"...and then a third guy walks in and starts punching me in the grief bone."

by Jennifer on Oct 30, 2006 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Little Venezuelan guy,
about 3' 3", only hits in the clutch?
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Oct 30, 2006 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

If only he had retired after the ALDS...
Just kidding, we love you VMC!
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Oct 30, 2006 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

I have been Bad!!
Now that baseball is over, I have actually been <gasp!> WORKING! I dropped the ball, I am sorry!

Don't worry, I will get on it and I will have something posted this evening! I promise!

"This is the best hug in the major leagues, right here!" - Swisher Pics

by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Oct 30, 2006 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I was mostly kidding
heh, "dropped the ball"

These poor guys with offseason birthdays are going to feel so neglected :)

Marinerds - a different daily dose of baseblog.

by Deanna on Oct 30, 2006 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh no!!
I will never let that happen! I was a summer birthday, so I never got to celebrate my birthday in school. It was so sad! I could never let our boys feel that they were being over looked! I just double checked November and it looks like I am going to have a pretty busy month! Lots of November Babies!
"This is the best hug in the major leagues, right here!" - Swisher Pics

by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Oct 30, 2006 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

You WERE a summer birthday?
Do tell, how did you get it changed? :-)
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Oct 30, 2006 1:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Coriolis Effect?
but jesus--rhyming is a pain in the ass! -- Rubin Sierra @('.')@

by monkeyball on Oct 30, 2006 1:28 PM PST up reply actions  

cracks in the stat-wonk facade?
Nate Silver at BP comes up with a nerd-friendly neologism for grit: "baseball IQ":

Edmonds' 2007 option would cost the Cardinals an even $10 million. He was easily worth that much over his first four seasons with the Cardinals, but fell short of the mark last year between his declining range in center field, his diminishing power, and his increasing propensity to get injured. The catch is that Edmonds is owed a $3 million buy-out even if he doesn't play for the Cardinals, which reduces the true cost of the option to $7 million. He's an easily worthwhile signing at that number. The Cardinals need at least a little bit of certainty amidst all this winter's chaos, and while Edmonds' physical tools are declining with age, he retains one of the game's highest baseball IQs.

I can only take this to mean that Nate believes Jim Edmonds to now be capable of knocking down fly balls in mid-flight using only the power of his mind.

(Also, is anyone else sick of Kendall Budget Math? Yes, the Cards are on the hook for >$3M no matter what, but if they can find a slightly-better-than-RL-CF for appreciably less than $7M, wouldn't that be a far more sensible fiscal decision? $10M is $10M is $10M ...)

but jesus--rhyming is a pain in the ass! -- Rubin Sierra @('.')@

by monkeyball on Oct 30, 2006 11:33 AM PST reply actions  

Well BPro had Edmonds
at a WARP1 of 3.7 this year, even with the limited playing time. If you assume that he can give them about 3 wins above replacement next year, $7 million for 1 year is fairly reasonable. Especially since because the Cards are already paying him $3 million regardless, he becomes cheaper and more attractive for other teams, maybe even other teams in the division.

It's not as if he's blocking any prospects, or as if there is a Carlos Beltran available as a FA.

On Sunday, Minaya ticked off a list of candidates to join the rotation, and for once this season, none of them was Jose Lima.

by rfloh on Oct 30, 2006 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

well, except that ...
... if the Cards buy out Edmonds, he (and his agent) ain't gonna think that his '07 salary is already at a baseline of $3M -- that's merely the Cards' buyout price. As a FA, Edmonds would be seeking a "market value" contract -- the Cards would in no way be subsidizing some other team's signing of him.
but jesus--rhyming is a pain in the ass! -- Rubin Sierra @('.')@

by monkeyball on Oct 30, 2006 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Sure
But that's not the main reason to keep him, It's merely an extra reason.

Furthermore, I do not believe it is unreasonable to suggest he would accept a slightly below market rate contract to play for a team he likes, since the Cards are already paying him $3 million. But of course, this is just speculation.

On Sunday, Minaya ticked off a list of candidates to join the rotation, and for once this season, none of them was Jose Lima.

by rfloh on Oct 30, 2006 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

His performance this year ...
was worth right around $8m. He'll be 37 and he saw his k/bb skyrocket this year ... expecting him to bounce back isn't reasonable and additional fall off I suspect is the most likely scenerio. That said, I don't believe they have any better -- or even comperable options and they certainly aren't planning on rebuilding next year, so he'll probably be their best option, even if he is overpaid.

by devo on Oct 30, 2006 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

As you said
his performance this year was worth around $8 million. The Cards would need to pay him $7 million next year to keep him. Why is that unreasonable? Even if he drop from a 3.7 WARP to say about 3, $7 million for 1 year would still be eminently reasonable.
On Sunday, Minaya ticked off a list of candidates to join the rotation, and for once this season, none of them was Jose Lima.

by rfloh on Oct 30, 2006 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I basically agree ...
I suspect he'll probably worth more like $5-6m next year -- but a lack of other viable options and probably a lack of more efficient ways to spend the money will make it reasonable to "overpay" for him.

One thing that needs to be taken into consideration is that baseball is not a perfect market. Unlike more traditional markets, a buyer's willingness to pay a good price for a commodity cannot spur increased production of that commodity. The supply of center fielders is what it is -- in the immediate future it is fixed and cannot change based on demands.

by devo on Oct 30, 2006 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

<panics>
<starts crank website predicting world reaching "peak centerfielder" crisis>

<buys stock in Hallburton after company announces plan to mine for centerfielders on the Moon>

but jesus--rhyming is a pain in the ass! -- Rubin Sierra @('.')@

by monkeyball on Oct 30, 2006 1:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Kendall Budget Math makes sense to me.
The 3 MM is a sunk cost, so for 3 MM (actually 3.3 MM) the Cardinals can play a replacement player in his stead.

What it comes down to is that every position on the roster is a sunk cost of at least .3 MM (minimum salary).  The question is whether paying above and beyond that price is worth the additional production.  In this case, the option is raising the bar on that minimum salary.  If they could get slightly-better-than-RL production out of CF for appreciably less than 7 MM (say 1 WARP for 1 MM), then the question is whether or not Edmonds' 6 WARP at 10 MM is better than the 1 WARP at 4 MM.  KBM math simply resets the baseline.

Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Oct 30, 2006 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Spoke Confucius:
He who creates new acronyms must take care to avoid redundancies.

by mikeA on Oct 30, 2006 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow.
Upon rereading, that post was sporktastic.
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Oct 30, 2006 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

KBM
Doesn't that describe a sequence of events, beginning with monkeyball striking out?
"...sometimes I can't tell the difference between baseball and magic."- salb918 "Ellie plowed into him like an evil, pink unicorn."-ArakSOT

by McFood on Oct 30, 2006 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

as with the Lady/Tiger Monty Hall conundrum ...
... it depends on the felicitousness of the phrasing: yours is right on, but Silver's is the shorthand version that isn't quite right. The costs, while sunk, are still costs.
but jesus--rhyming is a pain in the ass! -- Rubin Sierra @('.')@

by monkeyball on Oct 30, 2006 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

eh ...
I'd say that his was true -- though not sufficiently tightly written that it couldn't be misread. He did specify "true" cost, which is good enough for me.

by devo on Oct 30, 2006 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

But still no word on getting US out of the UN
Steve Forbes:  likens revenue sharing to "Sovietizing" baseball, says MLB owners lie about money, praises Billy Beane metrics, became bandwagon Yankees fan and believes they have a divine right of championships.  And still advocates flat tax.
I threw that horseshoe into the weeds to see what luck can bring

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Oct 30, 2006 11:40 AM PST reply actions  

only one thing I disagree with
Obviously if you're in Major League Baseball, especially as contracts come up, you want to have a pity party, hang a black crepe and say things are terrible.

Unless Steve's had a bad experience at Ti Couz, the phrase is merely "hang black crepe."

but jesus--rhyming is a pain in the ass! -- Rubin Sierra @('.')@

by monkeyball on Oct 30, 2006 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

postseacon awards
is someone going to make a thread for postseason award predictions?
Hi, I am closetasfan, and I am a NRAF, and an ANA

by closetasfan on Oct 30, 2006 12:35 PM PST reply actions  

OT but funny
this parody of dateline's "to catch a predator" is hilarious...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zvTRQr7ns8
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Oct 30, 2006 12:38 PM PST reply actions  

attn: stat-nerds
i heard there was some old tv game show where there are three doors, the contestant picks one, and then can choose to stay with that one or pick one of the other two.  
someone told me that you should always pick one of the other two, somehow statistically that is better.  that doesn't sound right to me.  
if anyone knows what i'm talking about, please help me out here....
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Oct 30, 2006 12:41 PM PST reply actions  

The Monty Hall Problem
You can read all about it at wikipedia (or any number of other places).

Short version: if the problem is phrased carefully (which it usually isn't), then, yes, the correct strategy is to switch.

Some are sabermetricians.

by andeux on Oct 30, 2006 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

thanks
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Oct 30, 2006 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

more from you defeatostats
By changing your choice, you only embolden the tiger.
but jesus--rhyming is a pain in the ass! -- Rubin Sierra @('.')@

by monkeyball on Oct 30, 2006 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

what if the contestant is nico
and he wants the goat?
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Oct 30, 2006 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I was always pissed when they were like,
"Aww you didn't win the car..." Cause I was always like, "But she did win the fucking cute baby geese! Now she can have a little pond in her backyard garden with baby geese in it!"

by hunter on Oct 31, 2006 9:10 AM PST up reply actions  

I think I will be a calendar
107 days till pitchers and catchers....( by my count, anyway)

by LongTimeFan on Oct 30, 2006 1:13 PM PST reply actions  

bah! That ad's nuthin'
There was a Chrysler ad about 10 years ago that featured an African American family, and the VO started out "It seems like you've been waiting a hundred years -- for GREAT LEASE RATES!"
but jesus--rhyming is a pain in the ass! -- Rubin Sierra @('.')@

by monkeyball on Oct 30, 2006 1:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Ah, those were the days
You take me back to the days of my youth.  That line was usually followed by advice to cut my hair and get a real job.  And then the obligatory "Go back to Russia!"

I like this part of the piece:

As a piece of television craft and song craft -- I'm humming that sucker in spite of myself -- "This is our country" is a gorgeous, A.D.D. version of Ken Burns's best work. But it is landing with a thud in the advertising community, and not just because it achieved the impossible: making viewers nostalgic for Chevy's last anthem, Bob Seger's "Like a Rock."

"The message seems to be, `If you don't buy our truck, we will go bankrupt,' " said Al Ries of Ries & Ries, a brand consultancy. "The kind of people who buy trucks are not going to buy them because a company is in trouble. People like to buy from winners."

Jerry Della Femina, who runs an ad agency in New York, says he believes the spot is something of a new low.  "You see all these moving images and at the end of it, all you get is a lousy Chevy truck."

And Chevy's ad director at least gets this part right:  "The pickup consumer is honest, hardworking, authentic and real."

I threw that horseshoe into the weeds to see what luck can bring

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Oct 30, 2006 1:48 PM PST up reply actions  

You'd be surprised by the number
of unreal truck drivers out there.
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Oct 30, 2006 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

BTW, your post
brings to mind George Thoroughgood's "Get a haircut and get a real job/clean your act up and don't be a slob/get it together like your Rob..."
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Oct 30, 2006 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I dunno ...
I was feeling all proud and American and whatnot ... until I was confused by the imagery of Muhamad Ali paired with the Vietnam War and the idea of anyone wanting to associate themselves with Richard Nixon ...

Once I got thinking, I realized that my Honda Civic is as likely to have been built by Americans (which is an important consideration to me) as a Chevy is ...

by devo on Oct 30, 2006 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

And don't forget!
Our Chavy was assembled by Americans, too!
but jesus--rhyming is a pain in the ass! -- Rubin Sierra @('.')@

by monkeyball on Oct 30, 2006 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

but I hear it happened on a drunken night
in spring break ... so he doesn't ge to sport the Made in USA label.

by devo on Oct 30, 2006 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

well, if he was conceived in ...
... a sweatshop in the Marianas, no matter how lousy the conditions, he could still get the tag.
but jesus--rhyming is a pain in the ass! -- Rubin Sierra @('.')@

by monkeyball on Oct 30, 2006 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

<shows footage of Kent State protests>
Anyone want to buy my old pickup truck now?
Hope Floats...I hate Sandra Bullock

by franks a lot on Oct 30, 2006 1:34 PM PST up reply actions  

<footage of me in my underwear>
Who wants my old betamax?
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Oct 30, 2006 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

i think the parent(s) can't spell
can a little girl her age make a sign like that already?

by gotgreen on Oct 30, 2006 1:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Her favorite player is Pujlols,
not Pujols.  Pujlols is the lovable overweight third-string catcher.
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Oct 30, 2006 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Now I can't spell, either.
<gets memo from Poppy's boss>
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Oct 30, 2006 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

euphemism hierarchy candidate?
but jesus--rhyming is a pain in the ass! -- Rubin Sierra @('.')@

by monkeyball on Oct 30, 2006 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Candidate?
Victor!
Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Oct 30, 2006 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

didja GET the memo?
but jesus--rhyming is a pain in the ass! -- Rubin Sierra @('.')@

by monkeyball on Oct 30, 2006 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Adorable...
extra from "Village of the Damned"
Hope Floats...I hate Sandra Bullock

by franks a lot on Oct 30, 2006 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Cue "This is Our Country" by John Cougar
..............Mellencamp.
Hope Floats...I hate Sandra Bullock

by franks a lot on Oct 30, 2006 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

best band name ever
John Cougar Concentration Camp
but jesus--rhyming is a pain in the ass! -- Rubin Sierra @('.')@

by monkeyball on Oct 30, 2006 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Worst Durant Ave eatery:
Eata-Fetus

(Disclaimer: not my joke.)

Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Oct 30, 2006 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

worst Durante impression
Inka-dinka-doo!
but jesus--rhyming is a pain in the ass! -- Rubin Sierra @('.')@

by monkeyball on Oct 30, 2006 3:16 PM PST up reply actions  

How about...
Brian Jonestown Massacre?
Hope Floats...I hate Sandra Bullock

by franks a lot on Nov 2, 2006 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

It appears that monkeyball's
tireless lobbying of the zoological gardens industry has paid off.

Poop exhibit.

Stat Wonk Futurist

by salb918 on Oct 30, 2006 2:27 PM PST reply actions  

540lbs a day!!!!!!!!!!!!
there only one thing to say:

holy crap!

by Backspin on Oct 30, 2006 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

those are nacho runs!
but jesus--rhyming is a pain in the ass! -- Rubin Sierra @('.')@

by monkeyball on Oct 30, 2006 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

we had to do something with it
After all, at $0.095 per pound, the Pickup & Destruction of Sensitive Waste Material adds up!
but jesus--rhyming is a pain in the ass! -- Rubin Sierra @('.')@

by monkeyball on Oct 30, 2006 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

harold reynolds
hey, remember him? he's going to sue ESPN over his dismissal!
"I have tried everything possible to handle this situation quietly behind closed doors. After numerous conversations and multiple mediation discussions with ESPN executives, it is clear that ESPN had no intention of solving this problem amicably," Reynolds said in a statement.

"For 11 years, I served ESPN with enthusiasm and dedication. It is unfortunate that ESPN has handled this process in an unprofessional manner. At the end of the day, my integrity, reputation and family are my top priorities, and for those reasons I need to set the record straight and clear my name."

by gotgreen on Oct 30, 2006 7:10 PM PST reply actions  

Halloween
My son will be Frank Thomas.
Nothing says fun like Premium Meat!

by lurkerD on Oct 30, 2006 7:30 PM PST reply actions  

About that picture..
Anything that changes his name from "Poo-holes" is fine by me.
It's a shame that families get torn apart by something as simple as wild dogs. -Jack Handey

by JediLeroy on Oct 30, 2006 10:12 PM PST reply actions  

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