Why Ron Washington?
Most of Athletics Nation has jumped on the Ron Washington bandwagon for next manager of the A's. I wonder exactly why? It seems to be an accepted fact that he would be a great manager, but what kind of evidence suggests this to be true to so many A's fans? He is currently the choice of 73% of participants in the poll on the front page of this site.
I know three things about Washington:
- He is an excellent infield coach.
- He makes a bunch of folksy comments on Robert Buan's show that seem to endear him to fans.
- Eric Chavez gave him a gold glove and players seem to like him.
So, women and men of Athletics Nation, why so much love for the man called Wash around here? And why the assumption that he will lead the club to WS glory?
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among the reasons
He inspires much respect and even love from the players.
He has done an excellent job as third base and infield coach, both very important jobs.
He has a strong desire to manage, and will take a job managing elsewhere if offered. It's pretty widely acknowledge that losing him would be a bad thing for the A's.
It's true that he doesn't have much managerial experience, none in the majors. But having that experience doesn't guarantee that a person will be a good manager, as we have seen all too often.
All good qualities to be sure
What I am driving at is if he has some kind of super motivational skills, like Leyland & Guillen apparently do.
by BruceBochte on Oct 16, 2006 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I've met him once
But I suspect that he is the most likely of the three to have that quality.
Lachemann has experience as a fairly mediocre major league manager. Geren has some minor league experience; however, I haven't xeen anything written about him that indicates he might be the most qualified, except that he's close friends with Beane. If that's the best thing you can say about him it's not exactly a ringing endorsement.
I think it's a fair question
Macha Grades
Tactically B....pretty solid as he valued outs
Bench...F....he didn't keep his bench fresh and got some awful performances out of them
I don't think that he brought anything to the table, but he didn't take anything off of it either.
Wash seems like a strong candidate. I hope that he basically sticks to the moneyball philiosophy, but does a better job of managing his bench. I would also like to see a little fire when umps blow a call.
beane loves Bowa. He is a big darkhorse here.
So We Hire the Grade F Bench Coach...
by Dan_Honolulu on Oct 18, 2006 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions
i agree with all of oaklandsi's reasons
i love wash and what he does for this team. he seems to know so much about baseball and all the players have such great respect for him.
why not give him a chance?
wash-bad, bowa-good
Personally, I'm friggin' sick and tired of watching managers who are nothing but joe-boys for Billy. Billy needs to man up and say to himself it's time to stay out of the fuckin' kitchen. It's either that or throw the Jersey on and get the hell down on the field and manage. This team is screaming for a top-flight in-game tactician who is winner. And I'm talking about a dude who'ii come into oakland for about 2-3 years but then ultimately get fired because they're usually pricks to work with. Guys like Larry Bowa, Bobby Valentine or Davey Johnson are winners. Macha tried to be the tough guy but he's won jackshit.
I'm sorry but while Wash might be a great guy and all but he is exactally the wrong guy for this team. Anyway, all this is a waste of time because Billy is goin' to hire Geren.
I'm a big Wash fan ...
It's not that anything changed in their favor
by fadedash on Oct 16, 2006 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions
"winners"
by Furious George on Oct 16, 2006 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Bowa
But the point is that Bowa is a kneejerk pick, a solid winner who didn't have a great situation in Philly but wouldn't be any happier in Oakland. Oakland needs its own kind of guy -- the Maddon, use-everything-you-can-to-your-advantage guy.
The Hot Air loves Bowa
I think it's fine to consider that maybe we need a guy who can the hardass sometimes, but Bowa's a ballistic jerk (or at least he was as player and at Philly as coach.)
I don't think baseball is quite like football or soccer or hoops, where a fireball coach squeezes the best out of his player by rawfire inspiration. It's more of a mental game. The winners, like Leyland, Torre (yeah, I know, lotsa money), Cox can be hard but they they don't create undo friction with the players.
Personally, one of the reasons that I've really liked the A's over the past 8-10 years is that they look like they have fun playing and have fun being a team. That's the part that Moneyball doesn't really explain. Sure, there's teams that don't get along that win, but they're usually sickly talented. Our special ingredient, I think, is that guys enjoy playing in Oakland, despite the meager fan base, because there's just been a fun-loving vibe to the team. How many players have left us and been much better than they were here? Harang is the only one who comes readily to mind, and Dye doesn't count due to the injuries (and what a great guy!) Part of this, I truly believe, is that your teammates matter. Think of the funk in the Yankee clubhouse this year. Wouldn't want to be there. And I sure as hell don't want a tightass like Bowa around, either.
Larry Bowa is a winner?
I like Bobby Valentine a lot, and wouldn't mind him managing the A's, but he has a tendency to grate on the media, the fans, his GM, and his players.
No has-been pricks for Oakland
Valentine never won anything in Texas, but he did have 3 good years in N.Y. Of course, the Mets also bought a ton of talent that he wouldn't have in Oakland (and when those players left N.Y., so did Valentine's effectiveness as a manager).
Johnson had mostly good results with the Mets, Reds and Orioles, and is/was probably the best of the three managers listed here. But he only lasted 2 years in Baltimore, was mediocre with the Dodgers (again fired after 2 years), and his work since then with Team USA has been pretty poor (7th place in 2005). His best days seem to have passed.
I hope you're wrong about Geren being the choice -- he strikes me as the perfect bench coach, a guy who can be Billy's eyes and ears in the dugout, but not the one you want running the club.
Regardless, a "top-flight in-game tactician" wasn't what cost the A's against Detroit. Zito tanked, Loaiza struggled (then recovered, then gave up a crucial 2-run bomb), the offense was terrible for most of the series, and we were playing with a AAA 2nd baseman. The manager can't control those things (and IMO removing Loaiza earlier in game 2 likely wouldn't have mattered).
As has been noted elsewhere, we need a manager that can get more out of the bench and the back-end of the bullpen. That means player motivation and development are far and away the most important skills the new A's manager will need. That and fewer injuries...
by andyinfremont on Oct 17, 2006 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions
One reason
I have no idea if he can do anything else, though. Fortunately, I'm sure that Billy Beane knows.
Why Bob Geren?
because he
by santaclaraave on Oct 16, 2006 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
YEA!
Not just 'folksy'
He seems intelligent without being full of himself.
I can't speak for how he would deal with players as a manager - which is different than as an infield & third base coach.
Your number 3 is exactly the reason.
A team needs to feel like its leadership is excellent, and I think Wash would inspire that in his team--moreso than any other candidate.
Here's one reason I'd take Wash
With Macha, I can't honestly say I have any idea what he's done to help anyone get better. I don't doubt he has, I just can't tell you how.
A bit unfair with Macha
There are a lot worse managers with jobs right now.
I don't mind a change as I think that next year will be very tough considering the strength of the AL.
I wish the A's made up their mind on Macha last year. The extra $1 mill for Smoak could have really helped out the minor league system.
What I'm saying is...
Macha's decisions - lineups, use of pitchers, and in-game choices - have always been questioned by a number of A's fans. Up to now I always thought Macha's greatest asset was how he kept the team on an even keel whether they were winning or losing.
Now, I'm not even sure that was all him.
$$$ for Smoak
though I suspect it was/is about the principle of maintaining a firm negotiating line rather than about the extra %20 to %50 in would take to sign these guys.
I'd agree though, if we're pinching peanuts from poop, we might as well maximize the return on our farm system opportunities.
Beane said that communication
Question: based on what you know of the candidates so far mentioned, who do you think might be most likely to do this well?
I vote Wash.
Speaking of player development &
Dan Johnson.
Remember when he was sent back down to Sacramento this season and started raking again? This was from early August in the Chronicle:
It didn't take much to get Johnson going again. Brian McArn, the Sacramento hitting coach, has worked with Johnson for five years, and Johnson said that McArn immediately spotted the problems with his swing.
"He knows me forward and back, and he said, 'What are you doing?'" Johnson said. "We worked on my hand position, and legs and head position, and it was unbelievable. He put my hands back where they had been, opened up my stance. Then we did some old drills I used to do for a day and a half, and I felt like I was back where I needed to be."
Now you can easily blame part of this on Gerald Perry if you want, but if a guy who was just in the minors for a few years suddenly goes into a major slump, wouldn't it make sense to at least talk to someone in Sacramento and see if they could help identify the problem before it gets too bad? After all, those guys should know Dan Johnson better than Gerald Perry.
Agree with me or not, but ultimately I think that's the manager's responsibility to look into if nobody else is. "The Buck Stops Here" and all that.
That nails it
We know Wash has the track record with young players and has the respect of clubhouse veterans. That's what Macha lacked.
While I don't know much about Wash's communication skills perse, that respect from Chavez, Ellis, et al. will give him that leadership presence that aids a lot in communication (especially the whole nonverbal side of it).
by Hegenberger Road on Oct 16, 2006 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions
across the bay
I asked the same question in
by china bob on Oct 16, 2006 9:53 PM PDT reply actions

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