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Why Ron Washington?

Most of Athletics Nation has jumped on the Ron Washington bandwagon for next manager of the A's.  I wonder exactly why?  It seems to be an accepted fact that he would be a great manager, but what kind of evidence suggests this to be true to so many A's fans?  He is currently the choice of 73% of participants in the poll on the front page of this site.

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I know three things about Washington:

  1. He is an excellent infield coach.
  2. He makes a bunch of folksy comments on Robert Buan's show that seem to endear him to fans.
  3. Eric Chavez gave him a gold glove and players seem to like him.
None of these attributes automatically suggests that he would be a good manager.  For example, for a manager more important than being liked, is being able to motivate a team.  However, Washington seems to enjoy overwhelming support among the faithful of the Nation.

So, women and men of Athletics Nation, why so much love for the man called Wash around here?  And why the assumption that he will lead the club to WS glory?

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among the reasons
He's a baseball man with a keen understanding of all aspects of the game and a knack for explaining it.

He inspires much respect and even love from the players.

He has done an excellent job as third base and infield coach, both very important jobs.

He has a strong desire to manage, and will take a job managing elsewhere if offered. It's pretty widely acknowledge that losing him would be a bad thing for the A's.

It's true that he doesn't have much managerial experience, none in the majors. But having that experience doesn't guarantee that a person will be a good manager, as we have seen all too often.

by OaklandSi on Oct 16, 2006 3:40 PM PDT reply actions  

All good qualities to be sure
But why give him the nod over Geren or Lachemann?  Is there anything that suggests he will necessarily be better?  

What I am driving at is if he has some kind of super motivational skills, like Leyland & Guillen apparently do.

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by BruceBochte on Oct 16, 2006 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've met him once
and have never met the others, so of course can't claim to know.

But I suspect that he is the most likely of the three to have that quality.

Lachemann has experience as a fairly mediocre major league manager. Geren has some minor league experience; however, I haven't xeen anything written about him that indicates he might be the most qualified, except that he's close friends with Beane. If that's the best thing you can say about him it's not exactly a ringing endorsement.

by OaklandSi on Oct 16, 2006 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it's a fair question
and I have no doubt others here can think of some good reasons besides what I've written

by OaklandSi on Oct 16, 2006 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Macha Grades
Bullpen A-...pretty good at managing the pen
Tactically  B....pretty solid as he valued outs
Bench...F....he didn't keep his bench fresh and got some awful performances out of them

I don't think that he brought anything to the table, but he didn't take anything off of it either.

Wash seems like a strong candidate.  I hope that he basically sticks to the moneyball philiosophy, but does a better job of managing his bench.  I would also like to see a little fire when umps blow a call.

beane loves Bowa.  He is a big darkhorse here.

by DKNJ on Oct 16, 2006 3:40 PM PDT reply actions  

i agree with all of oaklandsi's reasons
and i think it's time for a non-macha'ish, non-art howe'ish kinda guy to get the chance to manager this team. geren seems to fall into the macha/howe type category.

i love wash and what he does for this team. he seems to know so much about baseball and all the players have such great respect for him.

why not give him a chance?

by gotgreen on Oct 16, 2006 4:10 PM PDT reply actions  

wash-bad, bowa-good
Washington would be the absolute wrong hire for this team. This team is ready to take the next step. To be a playoff team for another two maybe three years. Why would Beane make another mistake by hiring a rookie manager who didn't feel he needed to go down to the minors and learn how to manage? After being rejected so often you'd think Washington would do this. And, oh ya, Beane's first mistake? Bringin' that dipshit Macha back after getting rid of him the first time. Now he needs to pay the numbskull 2 million to go away. Nice move Billy.

Personally, I'm friggin' sick and tired of watching managers who are nothing but joe-boys for Billy. Billy needs to man up and say to himself it's time to stay out of the fuckin' kitchen. It's either that or throw the Jersey on and get the hell down on the field and manage. This team is screaming for a top-flight in-game tactician who is winner. And I'm talking about a dude who'ii come into oakland for about 2-3 years but then ultimately get fired because they're usually pricks to work with. Guys like Larry Bowa, Bobby Valentine or Davey Johnson are winners. Macha tried to be the tough guy but he's won jackshit.  

I'm sorry but while Wash might be a great guy and all but he is exactally the wrong guy for this team. Anyway, all this is a waste of time because Billy is goin' to hire Geren.    

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by bigelephant on Oct 16, 2006 4:23 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm a big Wash fan ...
but, to me, if Beane wanted to hire either Wash or Geren, wouldn't he have done it last year? Has anything changed in either of their favor this year? He could have had either of them a year ago and saved himself at least a million dollars.

by devo on Oct 16, 2006 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's not that anything changed in their favor
but things just got worse with Macha.  Last straw broke the Beane's back kind of thing

by fadedash on Oct 16, 2006 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

"winners"
How many WS titles have those guys you listed won?  I'm pretty sure none, they've had some success taking their teams to the playoffs, just as Macha has with the A's.  What makes those guys "winners" and Macha just "jackshit" when they've acomplished the same thing?  I'm not a big Macha fan and I wanted Wash last year and I want him again this year.  He wants to and probably deserves to manage.  If we don't hire him, someone else will and I don't want him to leave the organization.
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by Furious George on Oct 16, 2006 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bowa
there's blowing up once in a while and then there's getting tossed out of ~2 games a week. As a Phillies fan, I can tell you that Bowa A) NEVER took the Phils to the playoffs, which is as much a product of the front office as him, and B) Ended up with a lot of angry, bitter players. The last is what I'm concerned about. Tactician like what -- a guy who would call the steal? Who on the A's can steal 80% of the time outside of maybe Bradley and Kotsay? Probably not even those two. Bullpen managing and player communication and basic training (particularly on D and breaking balls for batters) are what a manager can do and teach, and none of these things are major strengths for Bowa. If you want to be really unique, hire a guy like Maddon on TB, who will work with stat charts to shift the infield and outfield into places where the batter is more likely to hit the ball if the situation applies. That'll be good for maybe -10 runs (or 1 win or so) a year, although admittedly I don't actually know how many runs it would save.

But the point is that Bowa is a kneejerk pick, a solid winner who didn't have a great situation in Philly but wouldn't be any happier in Oakland. Oakland needs its own kind of guy -- the Maddon, use-everything-you-can-to-your-advantage guy.

by Alon on Oct 16, 2006 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Hot Air loves Bowa
Bowa will friggin' jacksh#tnn make our clubhouse a bunch of miserable guys, and I don't think this will lead them to win.  Bowa may motivate some guys, but there's others who get totally turned off (see Rolen, Scott.)  

I think it's fine to consider that maybe we need a guy who can the hardass sometimes, but Bowa's a ballistic jerk (or at least he was as player and at Philly as coach.)

I don't think baseball is quite like football or soccer or hoops, where a fireball coach squeezes the best out of his player by rawfire inspiration.  It's more of a mental game.  The winners, like Leyland, Torre (yeah, I know, lotsa money), Cox can be hard but they they don't create undo friction with the players.

Personally, one of the reasons that I've really liked the A's over the past 8-10 years is that they look like they have fun playing and have fun being a team.  That's the part that Moneyball doesn't really explain.  Sure, there's teams that don't get along that win, but they're usually sickly talented.  Our special ingredient, I think, is that guys enjoy playing in Oakland, despite the meager fan base, because there's just been a fun-loving vibe to the team.  How many players have left us and been much better than they were here?  Harang is the only one who comes readily to mind, and Dye doesn't count due to the injuries (and what a great guy!)  Part of this, I truly believe, is that your teammates matter.  Think of the funk in the Yankee clubhouse this year.  Wouldn't want to be there.  And I sure as hell don't want a tightass like Bowa around, either.

by DiegoSegui on Oct 16, 2006 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Larry Bowa is a winner?
He couldn't even get to the playoffs with Philly.

I like Bobby Valentine a lot, and wouldn't mind him  managing the A's, but he has a tendency to grate on the media, the fans, his GM, and his players.

On Sunday, Minaya ticked off a list of candidates to join the rotation, and for once this season, none of them was Jose Lima.

by rfloh on Oct 16, 2006 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

No has-been pricks for Oakland
Bowa was a disaster in San Diego, and the best he could do in Philly was get 10 games over .500. He's overrated.

Valentine never won anything in Texas, but he did have 3 good years in N.Y. Of course, the Mets also bought a ton of talent that he wouldn't have in Oakland (and when those players left N.Y., so did Valentine's effectiveness as a manager).

Johnson had mostly good results with the Mets, Reds and Orioles, and is/was probably the best of the three managers listed here. But he only lasted 2 years in Baltimore, was mediocre with the Dodgers (again fired after 2 years), and his work since then with Team USA has been pretty poor (7th place in 2005). His best days seem to have passed.

I hope you're wrong about Geren being the choice -- he strikes me as the perfect bench coach, a guy who can be Billy's eyes and ears in the dugout, but not the one you want running the club.  

Regardless, a "top-flight in-game tactician" wasn't what cost the A's against Detroit. Zito tanked, Loaiza struggled (then recovered, then gave up a crucial 2-run bomb), the offense was terrible for most of the series, and we were playing with a AAA 2nd baseman. The manager can't control those things (and IMO removing Loaiza earlier in game 2 likely wouldn't have mattered).

As has been noted elsewhere, we need a manager that can get more out of the bench and the back-end of the bullpen. That means player motivation and development are far and away the most important skills the new A's manager will need. That and fewer injuries...

by andyinfremont on Oct 17, 2006 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

One reason
If we don't sign him as a manager, maybe someone else will, and we'll lose the best infield coach in the game.

I have no idea if he can do anything else, though.  Fortunately, I'm sure that Billy Beane knows.

by kirbyk on Oct 16, 2006 4:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Why Bob Geren?
?
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by bballfanr33 on Oct 16, 2006 4:47 PM PDT reply actions  

because he
was Billy's best man at his wedding.

by santaclaraave on Oct 16, 2006 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

YEA!
!
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by bballfanr33 on Oct 16, 2006 4:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Not just 'folksy'
He is articulate, well spoken, and even keeled.

He seems intelligent without being full of himself.

I can't speak for how he would deal with players as a manager - which is different than as an infield & third base coach.  

by MobiusKlein on Oct 16, 2006 5:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Your number 3 is exactly the reason.
You don't give a guy a Gold Glove just because you like him.  You do it because you're impressed by him.  When you listen to the Detroit Tigers talk, you can tell that they're impressed by Jim Leyland.  He gets them to buy what he's selling without a second thought.  

A team needs to feel like its leadership is excellent, and I think Wash would inspire that in his team--moreso than any other candidate.

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by jeepers on Oct 16, 2006 6:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Here's one reason I'd take Wash
With him, we can easily see the impact he's had on members of the team, especially infield defense.

With Macha, I can't honestly say I have any idea what he's done to help anyone get better. I don't doubt he has, I just can't tell you how.

by Flashfire on Oct 16, 2006 6:08 PM PDT reply actions  

A bit unfair with Macha
His record is very good and the A's exceeded their expected win total this year.

There are a lot worse managers with jobs right now.

I don't mind a change as I think that next year will be very tough considering the strength of the AL.  

I wish the A's made up their mind on Macha last year.  The extra $1 mill for Smoak could have really helped out the minor league system.

by DKNJ on Oct 16, 2006 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

What I'm saying is...
...not that Macha didn't do anything, just that I can't really see just what it was. With someone like Wash, you can see how the defense of players like Chavez has improved.

Macha's decisions - lineups, use of pitchers, and in-game choices - have always been questioned by a number of A's fans. Up to now I always thought Macha's greatest asset was how he kept the team on an even keel whether they were winning or losing.

Now, I'm not even sure that was all him.

by Flashfire on Oct 16, 2006 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

$$$ for Smoak
...also for Leake, Hamblin, and Ambort...

though I suspect it was/is about the principle of maintaining a firm negotiating line rather than about the extra %20 to %50 in would take to sign these guys.

I'd agree though, if we're pinching peanuts from poop, we might as well maximize the return on our farm system opportunities.

by jakarta on Oct 17, 2006 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Beane said that communication
and development of young players will be absolutely key for the next manager to do well:

http://oakland.athletics.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20061016&content_id=1715021& ;vkey=news_oak&fext=.jsp&c_id=oak

Question: based on what you know of the candidates so far mentioned, who do you think might be most likely to do this well?

I vote Wash.

by OaklandSi on Oct 16, 2006 6:43 PM PDT reply actions  

Speaking of player development &
communication...

Dan Johnson.

Remember when he was sent back down to Sacramento this season and started raking again? This was from early August in the Chronicle:

It didn't take much to get Johnson going again. Brian McArn, the Sacramento hitting coach, has worked with Johnson for five years, and Johnson said that McArn immediately spotted the problems with his swing.

"He knows me forward and back, and he said, 'What are you doing?'" Johnson said. "We worked on my hand position, and legs and head position, and it was unbelievable. He put my hands back where they had been, opened up my stance. Then we did some old drills I used to do for a day and a half, and I felt like I was back where I needed to be."

Now you can easily blame part of this on Gerald Perry if you want, but if a guy who was just in the minors for a few years suddenly goes into a major slump, wouldn't it make sense to at least talk to someone in Sacramento and see if they could help identify the problem before it gets too bad? After all, those guys should know Dan Johnson better than Gerald Perry.

Agree with me or not, but ultimately I think that's the manager's responsibility to look into if nobody else is. "The Buck Stops Here" and all that.

by Flashfire on Oct 16, 2006 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

That nails it
Macha's biggest weaknesses are Wash's biggest strengths.

We know Wash has the track record with young players and has the respect of clubhouse veterans. That's what Macha lacked.

While I don't know much about Wash's communication skills perse, that respect from Chavez, Ellis, et al. will give him that leadership presence that aids a lot in communication (especially the whole nonverbal side of it).

by Hegenberger Road on Oct 16, 2006 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

across the bay
I read an article on ron wotus that was quite interesting. He is known as a player guy. And as a manager in the giants system he had a really high winning percentage and only one of his players went on to play in the pros.

by skalordes on Oct 16, 2006 8:23 PM PDT reply actions  

I asked the same question in
another thread.  Is he a Marv Turner, good as a coach, not so good as a manager?

by china bob on Oct 16, 2006 9:53 PM PDT reply actions  

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