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who's the power hitter we get? [Update]: now with a poll

[Update] Geez, talk about a lot of reaction! Anyway, I added a poll to this w/ as many of the most common names tossed around on this post). Back to your regularly scheduled post, we apologize for any inconveniences. i think it's pretty certain billy's gonna try and get a good power bat in the offseason, either via trade or FA. but, i'm wondering who ya'll think is likely for us to target. posters on AN have suggested a variety of names. paul konerko (pretty expensive), reggie sanders, brian giles (expensive), cabrera (pipe dream - and i mean a pipe of crack), dunn (reds will ask for too much) carlos lee...anyway, wanted to see what AN thinks is likely. we also may end up doing nothing because most of the big bats will cost a lot of money.
and while some suggest just resigning ruby on the cheap, 2 things. 1, despite his massive size, he isn't a big power hitter (only 22 hr's last year), and 2, after his TJ surgery, i don't think he'll be healthy until june/july. keeping payton as our power RH bat is an option, but while he was great for us, somehow i don't see him striking fear into opposing pitchers, which is what i think billy's looking for.

Poll
Who do we get? (and I mean realistically)
I. Somebody and we 'ain't guessing because it'll be something only Billy knows
38 votes
J. Nobody (they cost too much, or we'd have to trade too many prospects, or we just want to wait on our young guys to develop)
11 votes
A. Brian Giles
13 votes
B. Paul Konerko
6 votes
C. Aubrey Huff
10 votes
D. Mike Piazza
6 votes
E. Jeff Kent
2 votes
F. Somebody from Cincy (Dunn, Kearns, Pena)
9 votes
G. Somebody from 'Zona (Jackson, Quentin)
3 votes
H. Chad Tracy
4 votes

102 votes | Poll has closed

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My guess is
Daric Barton.  We've already got him all sewed up and bringing him up to DH would make a lot of sense.

by atomopawn on Sep 30, 2005 12:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Jeff Kent
I think I speak for iceplant on this one ...

Not quite sure who we send to DePo for him (or whether DePo sends us any cash as well).

Kent would rotate between 2B, 1B, and DH.

I'm of the opinion that we won't see Barton until July '06 at the earliest, and even then only if he's putting up monster numbers in the minors.

And if we do sign Ruby for '06, I don't think Barton will be up until '07.

The best conkers to play with are uncracked, firm and symmetrical. Make a hole through the middle of of your chosen conker.

by monkeyball on Sep 30, 2005 12:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Jeff Kent
His track record is not good.He has had trouble with his team mates where ever he played.
Defense is not his strong point.
He would let in more than he would drive in.
Lou

by LOU @ Athletics Nation on Sep 30, 2005 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

well, you know me ...
... if I were a GM, I'd have Kent, Bonds, Milton Bradley, Sheffield, Miguel Cabrera, and Jose Guillen all on the same team ...
The best conkers to play with are uncracked, firm and symmetrical. Make a hole through the middle of of your chosen conker.

by monkeyball on Sep 30, 2005 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kent
Yes, Kent has clearly let in at least 60 runs over replacement this year for the Dodgers.

Or he's been the best player on the team, by far. You choose.

by regfairfield on Sep 30, 2005 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

heh
worked well, I cleared up the chemistry issue, you handled the performance part.  All set, Lou?
Rock over London, Rock on Oakland. Wheaties: It's the Breakfast of Champions.

by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

he probably wouldn't have a problem here
if we got him, then we probably wouldn't keep Payton.  And if we don't keep Payton, then there wouldn't be any black players on the team.

Lest I be misinterpreted Larry Krueger-style, if you don't know, I'm half-jokingly referring to Bradley's take on his situation with Kent.

Rock over London, Rock on Oakland. Wheaties: It's the Breakfast of Champions.

by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just hope we don't then sign Luis Tiant
He'll insist on having Kent discrimnate against him.
The best conkers to play with are uncracked, firm and symmetrical. Make a hole through the middle of your chosen conker.

by monkeyball on Sep 30, 2005 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

if not Tiant
it would be a perfect time to sign Rickey to a one-day contract, that's long enough for Kent to have problems with him
Rock over London, Rock on Oakland. Wheaties: It's the Breakfast of Champions.

by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Trouble with WHO?
Barry Bonds and Milton Bradley??? Hmmm....

by fatfrank on Oct 2, 2005 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bay Area is sooo dumb
but Kent thinks everyone in the Bay Area is dumb for paying such high housing prices. (KNBR keeps playing that sound byte)

by Kaybeejay on Sep 30, 2005 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Piazza
Would he sign a 1-Year Deal to DH and catch 20 games a year?  I'm well aware of his age, but he could fit in nicely behind Chavez.
Let's Go Oak-Land!

by Colorado Fan on Sep 30, 2005 12:34 PM PDT reply actions  

probably a bigger risk than Ruby
Piazza just might be done.

Then again, he might not be.

Either way, he's probably going to cost more than it's worth to find out.

Then again, maybe not.

I think that whichever AL team ends up with Piazza next year, he will be a huge factor -- positively or negatively. If Piazza still has bat speed and hits 35 HRs, he'll be a huge addition to whomever signs him. If he's turned into Erik Karros, he'll be a huge waste of money and playing time. I'll be very surprised if he's anywhere in between. High risk, high reward.

My guess is he ends up in Anaheim or Baltimore.

The best conkers to play with are uncracked, firm and symmetrical. Make a hole through the middle of of your chosen conker.

by monkeyball on Sep 30, 2005 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

California
Yeah, I here ya.  Would he accept an incentive laden deal?  Probably not, with Anaheim waiving guaranteed money in front of him.
Let's Go Oak-Land!

by Colorado Fan on Sep 30, 2005 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

He hit a 450-foot tater yesterday
I am a big fan of this idea.  It's true he maybe has lost some batspeed...but how much of it might he pick back up without having to catch much, and shaving an ounce off of that telephone pole he swings.

Lastly, and most importantly, you can be sure that opposing pitchers will think twice about pitching around Chavy to get to him.

A Beane in the hand is worth $60M in payroll

by jeepers on Sep 30, 2005 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

perfect fit for Baltimore
just the kind of player they like to go after, the washed-up power hitter...plus, they might not be satisfied with overpaying just one veteran catcher.
Rock over London, Rock on Oakland. Wheaties: It's the Breakfast of Champions.

by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not convinced he'll cost a lot
He's just finished up one of the most monumental contracts in history.  He doesn't need money--he needs a ring.

I could be totally wrong, and he could just start a bidding war.  But he could also hand pick the situation he wants, money be damned.

A Beane in the hand is worth $60M in payroll

by jeepers on Sep 30, 2005 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

good point
But even if he's looking for a ring at this point in his career, would he think that he could win it all here?  He might just sign with the Yankees for a discount then (hey, at least that would help free up a spring training invite for Bellhorn).  The A's seem to be generally underrated by players throughout the league.
Rock over London, Rock on Oakland. Wheaties: It's the Breakfast of Champions.

by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's the nice part about no longer having Giambi
They'd have to play G in the field if they sign Piazza, and that's an ugly proposition.
A Beane in the hand is worth $60M in payroll

by jeepers on Sep 30, 2005 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd be more worried about a return to LA
Anaheim wouldn't mind him as a DH, I suspect.  If they'll sign a 40-year old centerfielder, I can't see them shying away from a 36-year old DH.
A Beane in the hand is worth $60M in payroll

by jeepers on Sep 30, 2005 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

butt ...
... is an ugly preposition ...
The best conkers to play with are uncracked, firm and symmetrical. Make a hole through the middle of your chosen conker.

by monkeyball on Sep 30, 2005 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Piazza could probably play 1B, right?
If he could/would, I'd say NYY and Boston would have interest (Millar is an FA).  If not, yeah, LAAoA is probably most likely, like you said.  Still wouldn't put it past Baltimore to throw a bad contract at him.  Maybe even the White Sox would be in the mix, they're going to lose Thomas and Konerko (and I think Everett)
Rock over London, Rock on Oakland. Wheaties: It's the Breakfast of Champions.

by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

He was pretty awful at 1B for the Mets
I don't think you'd want him to do anything more than backup occasionally.  He's pretty Ruby-esque, although I think the act of throwing probably won't sideline him for a year.
A Beane in the hand is worth $60M in payroll

by jeepers on Sep 30, 2005 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

his bat speed
it's slowed down considerably. he's still got power, but just can't get to balls like he used to. plus, he's gonna probably get big money tossed his way.
"welcome to ME, motherf*^*er!" - tim hudson

by guy incognito on Sep 30, 2005 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Piazza
plus he was on VHI on the "Metalheads" show... That Metal Head would make a great DH in 2006... He loves Cali, and he would feel right at home in oakland, being as he was at "DAY ON THE GREEN 86"!!!!!!

LONG LIVE CLIFF BURTON!!!!!!

Bring Back The Bash! Bring Back The Stash! Bring back Ricky one more time!!! Go A'S!!!!

by Shippee33 on Sep 30, 2005 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here's a name I'd like to thow out
Career line: 281/363/449
Age: 33
Bats: Right
Position: Can play third base and left field credibly.

Broke out in a big way in 2003, but couldn't stay healthy.  Had a huge 2004 (340/419/562, 27 HR, 104 RBI).  Down year in 2005 (281/346/460, 24 HR, 84 RBI).  One year remaining on contract, 2006 salary is $4 MM.  A bit of a risk asking him to duplicate his numbers.

Ladies and gentleman, I present to you: Melvin Mora.  I'm not advocating obtaining him, but...he just might be the type of player Beane is willing to take a risk on.  He's not the big scary power bat we all want, but he might be an option if we need to pick up some cheap on-base abilities and moderate power.

Fearing Mecir since 2000.

by salb918 on Sep 30, 2005 12:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Mora
Isn't Mora a third baseman? I bet the O's would take Zito for him.

by juan on Sep 30, 2005 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mora can play lots of positions
LF is one of them.
A Beane in the hand is worth $60M in payroll

by jeepers on Sep 30, 2005 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here's a name I'd like to thaw out
Ted Williams
The best conkers to play with are uncracked, firm and symmetrical. Make a hole through the middle of of your chosen conker.

by monkeyball on Sep 30, 2005 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol
if persistent questioning about sexual orientation ever moved Piazza to tears, and since he's generally considered to be a good-looking guy, could you get away with calling him "cryogenic?"

(think I'm turning into Nico)

Rock over London, Rock on Oakland. Wheaties: It's the Breakfast of Champions.

by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

no orioles or mariners
down year in 2005?  no big deal.  heck, let's get beltre while we're at it.  

if we're talking power hitter it's probably important to stay away from the more juicy teams.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Sep 30, 2005 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think we can all bet
Billy has something up his sleeve. He is going to pull something out that none of us could have predicted. "In Billy We Trust!"
"We play our best ball when we're goofing around and having a good time" ~Bobby Crosby

by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Sep 30, 2005 12:40 PM PDT reply actions  

you mean
lacing kendall's toothpaste w/ creatine? that'd be sweet!
"welcome to ME, motherf*^*er!" - tim hudson

by guy incognito on Sep 30, 2005 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey
Whatever Works!
"We play our best ball when we're goofing around and having a good time" ~Bobby Crosby

by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Sep 30, 2005 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

that was funny as hell
Two-thirds of the earth is covered by water, the other third is covered by Kotsay.

by carp on Sep 30, 2005 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

next year
we'll know why kendall hit 5 homers.
"welcome to ME, motherf*^*er!" - tim hudson

by guy incognito on Sep 30, 2005 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe we can put the LF fence on rollers
And bring 'em in to about 270 when Kendall's hitting?
A Beane in the hand is worth $60M in payroll

by jeepers on Sep 30, 2005 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

when Kendall's retired...
I want to see him in the celebrity softball game, see him swing for the fences...Kenny Mayne would probably play him shallow
Rock over London, Rock on Oakland. Wheaties: It's the Breakfast of Champions.

by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

You think Kendall will try to muscle up
With just three games left in the year?  Just let 'er rip, getting on base be damned?
A Beane in the hand is worth $60M in payroll

by jeepers on Sep 30, 2005 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't foresee him swinging for the fences
but I'd like to see him try, just choking down on the bat would be a step in that direction
Rock over London, Rock on Oakland. Wheaties: It's the Breakfast of Champions.

by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I could not agree with you more
I have been begging that guy to hold a bat like a normal person all season!
A Beane in the hand is worth $60M in payroll

by jeepers on Sep 30, 2005 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I want to see vintage Kendall
like, from his college days, what his stance looked like then...hell, I'd like to see what he looked like when he hit a home run.  I don't think I ever saw him play for Pittsburgh...but I wonder when he started choking up like that.  Not only is that rare for a major leaguer, but he's 6' tall, not some Chone Figgins type
Rock over London, Rock on Oakland. Wheaties: It's the Breakfast of Champions.

by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

quite honestly ...
I think this is the most likely scenario: Beane acquires someone underrated/obscure/unlikely.
The best conkers to play with are uncracked, firm and symmetrical. Make a hole through the middle of of your chosen conker.

by monkeyball on Sep 30, 2005 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

HEs going to get....
Kearns, for Cruz, Kennedy and a prospect.

by Ben25 on Sep 30, 2005 1:28 PM PDT reply actions  

ahem
Cincy already said Blanton wouldn't be enough to get Kearns. Don't think your idea is going to fly.

by grover on Sep 30, 2005 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're right
But Cincy is crazy to think they'll get a Blanton for Kearns.  Maybe their price will drop considerably in the future.
Fearing Mecir since 2000.

by salb918 on Sep 30, 2005 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Never count out Cincy's inept management
They never fail to amaze when it comes to making boneheaded roster decisions.
A Beane in the hand is worth $60M in payroll

by jeepers on Sep 30, 2005 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cincy has been real insistent
about getting way more for any of their outfielders than anyone has been willing to give up. I don't really see that changing.

by OaklandSi on Oct 2, 2005 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's just what Cincy needs...
more awful pitching!
I sipped the Kool-Aid, and it tastes gooooooooood!!!

by kaweahkaweah on Sep 30, 2005 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

They ought to be interested in Saarloos
A sinkerball pitcher is exactly what they need in that bandbox.  Saarloos is adept at not giving up the big fly (don't have the stat handy, but he didn't give up many this year).
A Beane in the hand is worth $60M in payroll

by jeepers on Sep 30, 2005 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Billy will trade...
a sack of old pinball machine parts for Ted Williams cryogenically frozen head. Apparently it thinks it can still better our DH production from this year, and because it wouldn't have to play defense, well, we might just come out...

ahead.

"HRs by second basemen are sexy. They're rare and exotic." -Kyli

by McFood on Sep 30, 2005 1:55 PM PDT reply actions  

Boo!
Fearing Mecir since 2000.

by salb918 on Sep 30, 2005 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

They're not booing...
they're McFooding.
"HRs by second basemen are sexy. They're rare and exotic." -Kyli

by McFood on Sep 30, 2005 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

whenever I "McFood" ...
... it's usually after I've eaten some bad clams ...
The best conkers to play with are uncracked, firm and symmetrical. Make a hole through the middle of of your chosen conker.

by monkeyball on Sep 30, 2005 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I swear!
I hadn't seen your post before I made my equally awful Splinter joke up above.
The best conkers to play with are uncracked, firm and symmetrical. Make a hole through the middle of of your chosen conker.

by monkeyball on Sep 30, 2005 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, you're a little late to climb on
the Splinter Train, but what the hell, there's always room. Just stow your hand carry in the overhead, but be careful when opening them, heads may have shifted during transit.
"HRs by second basemen are sexy. They're rare and exotic." -Kyli

by McFood on Sep 30, 2005 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

the Splinter Train
Didn't Ginter have an express ticket on that ride?
The best conkers to play with are uncracked, firm and symmetrical. Make a hole through the middle of your chosen conker.

by monkeyball on Sep 30, 2005 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

me neither
I usually forget to stop and look both ways before I post (although this time I did read 2 posts below, which inspired another transportation metaphor)
Rock over London, Rock on Oakland. Wheaties: It's the Breakfast of Champions.

by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

err...
they're above now, anyways
Rock over London, Rock on Oakland. Wheaties: It's the Breakfast of Champions.

by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you're posting from the UK ...
... do you have to look the other way first before you post?
The best conkers to play with are uncracked, firm and symmetrical. Make a hole through the middle of your chosen conker.

by monkeyball on Sep 30, 2005 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've been in the same room with that head
and I'd have to agree with it.   (No offense Hatty--luv ya.)
"Don't be an ass!" --Bill King

by batgirl on Sep 30, 2005 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Underrated option
Getting Piazza  to play DH. Strikes fear, is right handed power,  and would be pretty sweet that he could be a backup catcher as well so Kendall doesn't have to play every single game.

1 year with an option and plenty of incentives? It's worth a try in my opinion, and if he's doing well could be traded.

"I dont know what I'm yelling about!Loud Noises!" "By the Beard of Zeus!" "I don't know if you heard me counting. I did over a thousand"

by ohad on Sep 30, 2005 2:02 PM PDT reply actions  

What's with all the
talk about "striking fear."  I don't care how scary a batter is to the other pitcher.  I just want him to hit, hit, hit.
Fearing Mecir since 2000.

by salb918 on Sep 30, 2005 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

You'd like for him to strike fear
so they're forced to give Chavvy better pitches.  That's what 90% of the people on this website think will get Chavvy to super stardom.  I doubt it, it's not like anyone pitches around Chavvy, but it will defnitely help him.

by RunRickeyRun on Sep 30, 2005 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's only half of it
Regardless of the pitches he sees, Chavy won't press so much at the plate if he knows Piazza's coming up after him to pick people up.  He'll just try to hit, instead trying to hit everything 500 feet.
A Beane in the hand is worth $60M in payroll

by jeepers on Sep 30, 2005 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I dunno ...
Chavvy just might get a little nervous if Piazza is trying to pick guys up behind him.
The best conkers to play with are uncracked, firm and symmetrical. Make a hole through the middle of your chosen conker.

by monkeyball on Sep 30, 2005 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

he's probably willing to move
to the area.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Sep 30, 2005 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah
You can only strike fear into pitchers based on reputation for so long.  At the beginning of the season, commentators were constantly saying that Sammy Sosa "still struck fear into opposing pitchers" even if he wasn't yet hitting.  Well, I don't think pitchers are afraid anymore.
Rock over London, Rock on Oakland. Wheaties: It's the Breakfast of Champions.

by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

My choice would be
Jonny Gomes.  With LaMar on his way out, trading with Tampa will be possible.  A new GM will probably realize the need for major league pitching, and be willing to trade Huff, Gomes, and maybe Baldelli.  Dollar for dollar, Gomes is the most productive and best option there.  Maybe Cruz, Garcia, and a low level prospect gets it done.  
...it's like an angry mob confronting a deaf-mute who is signing curse words at them.-Monkeyball

by gatling on Sep 30, 2005 2:02 PM PDT reply actions  

WRONG
Tampa Bay is asking for a LOT for anyone; see Trading Deadline 2005.

They are also very cheap, and will not trade any player that isn't making a lot of money.

My target? Try to get Conor Jackson from Arizona. Jackson can NOT play defence, thus is in the same position Barton was in last year. He is on an NL Team with no place to play, and blocked at every position.

Bring him here, and he can either DH or Wash can teach him how to play 1B decently. If Barton can master the outfield, then we have one hell of a hitting team!

C1: Kendall
1B: Johnson
2B: Ellis
3B: Chavez
SS: Crosby
LF: Barton
RF: Swisher
CF: Kotsay
DH: Jackson

First time is Hapenstance. Second time is Circumstance. Third time is Enemy Action.

by Zonis on Sep 30, 2005 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK
I said with LaMar gone it's likely the new GM is reasonable when it comes to trades, not like LaMar.  The new owner is promising more money.  The organization is changing, keep up with things.
...it's like an angry mob confronting a deaf-mute who is signing curse words at them.-Monkeyball

by gatling on Sep 30, 2005 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

so they'd choose Tony Clark over Conor Jackson?
Doubtful.
Rock over London, Rock on Oakland. Wheaties: It's the Breakfast of Champions.

by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

They already did
they signed him to an extension
First time is Hapenstance. Second time is Circumstance. Third time is Enemy Action.

by Zonis on Sep 30, 2005 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

solid core of Russ Ortiz and Tony Clark
well then, must be the curse of that expansion class, to not know how to run an organization...we'll see what their plans are
Rock over London, Rock on Oakland. Wheaties: It's the Breakfast of Champions.

by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

No offense, but that's nuts
Gomes was easily the D-Rays' most valuable player this year. Inept as they've always been, there's no way they'd be completely blind to this fact. And as you mention, a new GM is coming in, so he's going to have to do his research and know his stuff in order to prepare, and will be hyper-aware of how good Gomes is. There's no telling just how amenable the new guy will be to dealing, but he's not just going to give his best guy away for two mediocre relievers and a B prospect.
username

by spal on Sep 30, 2005 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd say he'd rank behind
Cantu in total value.  Cantu plays a more important position, and put up fairly equal numbers.  Also, with Bankston, Young, Dukes, and Upton on the way, not to mention the return of Baldelli, there is a logjam in the OF and at DH in Tampa.  It's likely that Huff will be moved, and probably one other OF/DH type.  It might be Baldelli, Crawford, or Gomes.  And when I said low level prospect, I meant someone in A ball, that could be Pennington, Buck, even Melillo in AA.  I didn't mean a low-value prospect.
...it's like an angry mob confronting a deaf-mute who is signing curse words at them.-Monkeyball

by gatling on Sep 30, 2005 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

D-Rays
Huff will be traded. He will bring the most value, and the D-Rays want to stay young and cheap. Gomes is a definite DH. In the outfield they will have crawford (who i think signed a 5 year deal at the beginning of the year), Baldelli in center. Cantu will play second, Lugo SS, and Upton will be moved to third. Delmon Young will arive and play RF (with the opening dayer probably Damon Hollins or something like that) Dukes has another few years, by that time they will have made a decision in the outfield, or they will trade him. Bankston is a first baseman.

Conclusion: There is no way they trade Jonny Gomes, there future is set and he's part of it. If Baldelli becomes expendable, then Dukes will come in. If Bladelli is really good, Dukes is gone for a pitcher (prospect or young starter).

They are fine, all they need to do is trade huff which shouldn't be hard.

"I dont know what I'm yelling about!Loud Noises!" "By the Beard of Zeus!" "I don't know if you heard me counting. I did over a thousand"

by ohad on Sep 30, 2005 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great Oden's Raven
You might be right.  Gomes is just my choice for the hitter we acquire.  I'd rather see us do nothing if Piazza and other retreads are our options.

What, you ate a whole wheel of cheese?  And the Germans named it San Diego, which I believe translates to whale's vagina.

...it's like an angry mob confronting a deaf-mute who is signing curse words at them.-Monkeyball

by gatling on Sep 30, 2005 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wheel of cheese
"I'm not mad. Actually, i'm quite impressed"
"I dont know what I'm yelling about!Loud Noises!" "By the Beard of Zeus!" "I don't know if you heard me counting. I did over a thousand"

by ohad on Sep 30, 2005 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

by the hammer of thor
"I dont know what I'm yelling about!Loud Noises!" "By the Beard of Zeus!" "I don't know if you heard me counting. I did over a thousand"

by ohad on Sep 30, 2005 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I couldn't remember the wording for
the rest of the cheese line.  Didn't want to screw it up.

It's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good.

I think I ate your chocolate squirrel.

...it's like an angry mob confronting a deaf-mute who is signing curse words at them.-Monkeyball

by gatling on Sep 30, 2005 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good shots at slickwdb on Sickels site
I'm registered as Gatling over there, and I've been going back and forth with that guy all day.
...it's like an angry mob confronting a deaf-mute who is signing curse words at them.-Monkeyball

by gatling on Sep 30, 2005 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Crawford is much more likely to be traded
Okay, even if you do argue that Cantu was overall more valuable, that makes Gomes 2nd-most (and still more valuable offensively, I say). Nothing to disregard.

And the fact that they didn't call up Young or Upton shows that they're not about to hand either one the starting job next year, especially Upton, considering his defense. Even if they do entertain the thought of trading Gomes, which would be fairly dumb, it would have to be for someone who can step in and give them just as much production, or some combination of players who would do the same. Cruz, Garcia, and even Mellilo (I really hope they don't trade Buck) just ain't even close.

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by spal on Sep 30, 2005 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're probably right.
Like I told Ohad, Gomes is just my choice for the hitter we need.  I don't see too many great options out there, and maybe with the right package we can land him.  Maybe not, but I'd say it's worth a shot.
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by gatling on Sep 30, 2005 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

if Gomes is more valuable offensively...
then I'd have to say he's more valuable overall, considering Cantu's been pretty bad defensively this year.  The D-Rays should be fun to watch next year, but with Upton at third and Cantu at second, they'll keep official scorers around the league pretty busy.
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by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

DRays didn't call up Delmon Young...
because they did not want to pay him a Major League salary just to play meaningless baseball in August in September (they're a very cheap organization remember).  He is definetely ready for the majors and my guess is he will be the DRays starting RF come opening day next season.  He will also be the front runner for AL Rookie of the Year.

by elephantbaseball on Oct 2, 2005 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hopefully
He DOESN'T start the year in the majors because i don't want him hurting any A's prospective chances at winning it to make three in a row (knock on wood)
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by ohad on Oct 2, 2005 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Manny Ramirez
Boston picks up all his salary just to get rid of him.  We play him in center.  Kotsay plays right and covers right field and right center.  Payton plays left and covers left field and left center.  Manny covers the wall near the 400' sign.

Aside from the right-handed power threat, Manny also acts as a lightning rod for the media, thus allowing Chavez to fly under the radar and not open his mouth so much.

It could be the perfect scheme... Remember you heard it here first.

by LoveDemAs on Sep 30, 2005 3:23 PM PDT reply actions  

I like it
Manny being Manny = Eric not being Eric
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by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

DONT HATE ON ERIC!!!!!!!
shit HIS YEAR WAS NOT BAD!!!!! dammit how can all of you look at .270/27/100RBI PLUS a GOLD GLOVE at third base and say "chavez sucks"  "chavez had an OFF YEAR" "Trade Chavez"...ect....ect to all you chavez haters I say..."TRADE YOU" go to the Devil rays blog and see how you like it there....I HAVE THE BACK OF MY DUDE ERIE C!!!!!
Bring Back The Bash! Bring Back The Stash! Bring back Ricky one more time!!! Go A'S!!!!

by Shippee33 on Sep 30, 2005 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'M NOT HATING ON ERIC, AN BROTHER!!!!!
C'mon man, you tell us you love us, and now you're going to have Eric's back while you trade, uh, half this site to the Devil Rays' blog?  I feel so betrayed.  Funny thing is, I wouldn't qualify for the half of the site you'd trade...you can check all of my posts if you want, I don't think I've ever made a direct assessment either way (positive or negative) of Chavez's play.  At least save your outburst for someone who's actually criticizing Chavez, not someone who was just trying to have a clever little comeback for yet another harmless trade proposal.  
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by Cutthemullet on Oct 1, 2005 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

and to spell it out even more
the first post said something like "Manny would be a lightning rod for the media, so Chavez could fly under the radar" (and not have to talk to the media)...so I was responding to that, and what I said about both referred to their off-the-field "issues" (Manny being Manny = leaving LF during the middle of a game to piss without warning, for instance, and Eric being Eric = not being a horrible 3B, but being kind of annoying if not unprofessional in the way he deals with the media), not on-field performance.  Obviously, this holds for a lot of players in the league; for Bonds, you want Barry to be Barry on the field, but 99% of fans dislike it when "Barry is Barry" off-the-field.  

You're not going to get too far with your writing if you're thrown off by any amount of subtlety whatsoever.

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by Cutthemullet on Oct 1, 2005 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

We've got two holes to fill: LF and DH
This gives us the flexibility to get someone who we know will produce, plus someone we can take a slight risk with.

First, I don't care how well-rested Piazza's going to be if he's the DH; he's been in a steady decline since '00. His name alone will drive the cost up, and moving to DH won't offset the fact that he'd be back in a pitcher's park and another year older.

The DH is where I think we have more options, because we don't have to limit ourselves according to position. My first choice, then, would be Chad Tracy. He's young, cheap, and has done nothing but improve. If Beane can convince Arizona that Tony Clark is going to keep pretending he's Derek Lee (or to move Jackson or Griffin to first), then maybe a fair package of something like Payton (to replace some of the power), Sarloos (they need pitching, and bad), Duchscherer (I repeat, they need pitching, especially in relief, and we'd have to make a sacrifice somewhere), and someone like Robnett, Mellilo, or Pennington would be able to send him over.

If we can't get Tracy, I'd say what the hell and see what we could do to get either Manny, or even better, Jason Bay for LF. I know Pittsburgh would want a lot, but maybe Zito, Sarloos, Duchscherer, Payton, and Herrera? Lots of pitching to give up, I know, but if I were Billy and I wanted something, I wouldn't bother trying to fool anyone by trying to dump guys like Cruz, Kennedy, Garcia, or Rincon off on them and call it a deal. I would, however, try to avoid losing Harden, Haren, Blanton, Band Camp, Swisher, or Ellis, (Kendall, Kotsay, and Chavez aren't going anywhere).

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by spal on Sep 30, 2005 3:26 PM PDT reply actions  

what the hell are you on bud?
Chad Tracy for Payton, Sarloos, Duke nad a top prospect? This is not bad, but try taking out Duke and it makes more sense.

But you are not done:

Zito, Sarloos, Duke, Payton and Herrera for Jayson Bay? NO WAY MAN!

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by ohad on Sep 30, 2005 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jayson Bay is really good
And i don't see any reason why the Pirates would trade him. But i think a realistic proposal would be:

Dan Meyer, Juan Cruz, Duke and Danny Putnam

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by ohad on Sep 30, 2005 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

There isn't any reason why they'd trade him
Which is why we'd have to give them a reason, like Zito, who would have almost as large an impact coming in as Bay would have going out. Then throw in another couple guys to make them think even harder about it.

I think we need a bat like Bay's more than we need a pitcher like Z.

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by spal on Sep 30, 2005 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

reminds me of the 04-05 offseason
"Eric Byrnes for Zach Duke"...seeing as Duke was still a prospect then, that was a great call (by whoever was calling for it, Zonis maybe)
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by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, that was me
I, proudly, was the first on the Zach Duke Bandwagon :P
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by Zonis on Sep 30, 2005 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

i didn't start it
but i was definitely on that byrnes for duke bandwagon.  
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by xbhaskarx on Sep 30, 2005 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eh, I'm not a GM ^^;;
I figure it's better not to try and make people think you're trying to pull one over on them, or else they may not listen to you too closely. Of course, offering too much doesn't help you a lot, either.

However, I still like either one as targets for a trade (even though I know Bay will get much more expensive soon). So like you said, take Duke out of the Tracy proposal.

As for Bay, what about Zito, Cruz (I know what I said before, but he's a compromise), and Payton? I just think that since Bay's basically the first guy they've had turn out well (even if they did trade for him) in a while, they're not going to let go of him too easily.

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by spal on Sep 30, 2005 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol neither am i
Zito is a great pitcher and all, but thats definitely not what they are looking for because:

A) He is way too expensive for them
B) He has no incentive to stay there and they know it

Basicallyk, if Bay was on the Yanks or something then OK. BUt it's the Pirates and that doesn't fit their need.

Also, i should refind my trade idea a bit. They have like 9 young lefty starters in their system, with Zach Duke already up and performing and Gorzelanny not far behind. I'm not sure if Dan Meyer is what they are looking for.

Cruz, Jairo, Danny Putnam (comparisons to Brian Giles) and a young righty, perhaps Jason Windsor?

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by ohad on Sep 30, 2005 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good points
I didn't think of Zito in that light, but that definitely makes sense (I do still like him to the Dodgers, though). However, I think that Payton would at least have to be part of the offer, even if they say no, as a gesture to put someone in Bay's place (he'd be a downgrade, but so would most guys). Beyond that, I like your idea, only hold off on Putnam/someone like him unless they ask for him. I wouldn't mind letting go of any righty that we didn't just draft this year.
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by spal on Sep 30, 2005 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would love
To have the aformetioned players but we are not the GM, they are either too expensive or older, get a hitter who's stock is rising and no one knows about yet, in a dream world I would like to see Jason Bay play for th A's.
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by doublehustle22 on Sep 30, 2005 3:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Harden and Bay
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee
Rock over London, Rock on Oakland. Wheaties: It's the Breakfast of Champions.

by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

harden, bay AND stairs
Billy....bring back The G-man!!!!!!!!!

by bigelephant on Sep 30, 2005 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

definitely
I can't believe KC signed Stairs to an extension, what do they need him for?  Give them one of Teahen's old friends from the minors and bring back Stairs
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by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

RH Hitters
 How about Rondel White and Jeff Conine. I know White is injured but both these guys can flAT out hit. Conine may have no trade clause issues.

by Graybeard on Sep 30, 2005 4:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Rondell White might be the most realistic
I've heard in the last 20 posts.  We're not getting Bay.  We're not getting Conor Jackson, or Quentin.  These are the best young prospects and players on two rebuilding teams.  Billy isn't that good.  If David Copperfield was our GM then maybe...

White is a little more realistic.  i still think Beane will make a push for Giles.  He should be slightly undervalued because of his age and his power numbers.  I think he'd be our best player if we were able to sign him and he'd be cheaper than Kendall and Chavvy.  I think it would be good value at anything under $10 mil a year for 3 years.

by RunRickeyRun on Sep 30, 2005 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

If David Copperfield was our GM ...
Roy Steele: "Now batting, number 34, designated hitter Claudia Schiffer ..."
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by monkeyball on Sep 30, 2005 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Now you want to talk about a butt thread...
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by JLaff on Sep 30, 2005 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol
just for fun i found the link of my trade idea for Derrek Lee:

http://www.athleticsnation.com/comments/2005/4/18/132140/444/19/post#here

I only have my comment in the link, but it's funny how i said include Hatteberg. LOL i wish.

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by ohad on Sep 30, 2005 4:17 PM PDT reply actions  

oops
wrong diary.
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by ohad on Sep 30, 2005 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think we can divide AN into three groups
Optimists
They believe the best help for our offense is healthiness of Croz and others but Beane will probably get Cabrera or Dunn too.  We will then sign Giles and trade Zito for Quentin and Jackson, then AZ will change their mind and trade Z back for Rincon, Ginter, and Yabu.  Then the Cards will give us Pujols.  (OK, so maybe just a couple of the early ideas)

Pessimists
The team will remain largely unchanged and continue to struggle offensively.  The market values offense just as it should be valued and to take advantage of inefficies we have to rely on defense, "gamers", and good chararcters.  Chavez will continue to struggle and any FA is out of the question (even Durazo).  No way can we trade for Dunn, Cabrera, Mora, or tracy they are just too expensive.

Realists
"I have no idea what Beane's gonna do."  

"The difference between Jose Canseco and Kobe Bryant is that Kobe doesn't believe in giving his teammates any shots." -Jay Leno

by vignette17 on Sep 30, 2005 4:22 PM PDT reply actions  

realist
i don't know what's gonna happen.
so much on my mind, i just can't recline -respiration

by ucla kid on Sep 30, 2005 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Last October I opined on AN
"expect the unexpected" with Beane.

Does that make me a realist?

by OaklandSi on Sep 30, 2005 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

i'm starting the:
"Bring Back Jason Giambi" drive for '06 a little early.
Billy....bring back The G-man!!!!!!!!!

by bigelephant on Sep 30, 2005 5:36 PM PDT reply actions  

imagine if we got him in May
we would've been scoring 20 runs a game during the winning streak
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by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

another bandwagon
i was on.  ohad's idea from may 12th:

http://www.athleticsnation.com/story/2005/5/12/8268/27006

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by xbhaskarx on Sep 30, 2005 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Realistic Idea
Hee-Seop Choi.

Tons of power but strikes out a lot also. They (well at least Jim Tracy) seems to be tiring of him in LA but he shouldn't be too tough to pry from Depo. You guys have to realize we probably aren't getting that big name power hitter who can hit for average and walk at the same time. We're a small market, we're going to have to accept some flaws. While Choi defintely wouldn't be a cleanup hitter he'd look good in the 5-6 spot.

by rickeytime on Sep 30, 2005 5:57 PM PDT reply actions  

K, K, K, BB, K, K, HR, K, K, K, K...
and by BB I meant walk not our esteemed GM, I don't think he's going to buck the recent trend of getting hitters with low K totals and bring in Hee Seop...but if he hitched a ride here with Jeff Kent, I wouldn't mind.

ok, I like that subject line too much to change it, but after checking his splits, well, DH platoon with Kielty?  Might not be such a bad idea after all, though I don't see why DePo would be looking to deal him.  If Tracy doesn't like him, they haven't seen eye to eye anyway, fire him, lure Macha away.  He'll definitely let Choi work out of his slumps...

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by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

cross off the top 2 and the bottom 2
I'd love to see Johnson and Johnson at 1B/DH, and Jim Bowden is both aggressive and not very shrewd, that would be a possibility.
It just hit me:
Wily Mo to Cincy (Bowden signed him to the Reds, immediately compared him to Sammy Sosa, tried to claim him off waivers during ST...he's obsessed, Wily Mo is his Holy Grail)
Nick Johnson to Oakland
Saarloos, Cruz, Garcia to Cincy

classic BB multi-team trade, what do you think?

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by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nick
is from sacramento, too.  And he hits lefties as well as he hits righties...
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by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

We ought to be able to get it done
For two of the three pitchers you mention.  I'm not sure if I'm sold on Nick Johnson - he's had a LOT of trouble staying healthy, and I'm not talking about pulled hamstring stuff.  This guy has more fragile bones than our osteoperotic shortstop.
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by salb918 on Sep 30, 2005 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

even better
probably overcompensating in my effort not to be partial to the A's...also, though, based on the Reds' reputation for having unrealistic demands for any of their outfielders.  Obviously, health is the issue, but if it wasn't an issue, then he probably wouldn't be seemingly available.  If Cruz and Garcia is enough to get it done, then that's a no-brainer, no?
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by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed
I don't see why we'd have to get rid of all 3 of those guys. And maybe having Nick at DH could stretch out his longevity. I'm sure he'd miss some time, but at roughly $1.5M, I don't see why it wouldn't be worth it.

Also, I have no idea what would be wrong with Chad Tracy (CTM). Even without him, the D-Backs have at least two guys who could man 1st (Clark, who just had his career year and then some, and Connor Jackson, who would be better served not stumbling about the OF). A respectable package (especially including pitching) should at least make them think long and hard.

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by spal on Sep 30, 2005 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Chad Tracy
Is viable. He's 25, has 1 year of ML experience (well now 2), and hit  309/.359/.556 with 27 homers and 72 rbi's, and also hits .326/.372/.580 verse righties which is what we need. And this was all in less than 500 at bats. He's not so good verse lefties (prob why he has less than 500), and Kielty could DH against lefties. He's also makin the minimum.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?playerId=5402

He's more of a free swinger, but this team needs a few of those.

They have no room for Tracy over there, especially with Clark re signed, so he is probably expendable for some pitching (Cruz, Jairo and prospect)

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by ohad on Oct 1, 2005 5:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Tracy trade
Tracy is an interesting idea, but it shouldn't cost Cruz/Garcia/+1. That would be Beane taking Kenny Williams pills again...

by grover on Oct 1, 2005 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cruz and Jairo
Maybe without the prospect then, but Tracy is 25 and had a 900 OPS and he's cheap as well.....
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by ohad on Oct 1, 2005 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

FDA-mandated warning label
WARNING: do not take Kenny Williams pills with alcohol, or operate heavy machinery or a major-league ballclub while taking Kenny Williams pills.
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by monkeyball on Oct 1, 2005 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

bay
is going get an extension.  he's pirate for a while.
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by ucla kid on Sep 30, 2005 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

heres my two cents
Earlier this year there were rumors of Byrnes for Sanders. Expect Beane to look into Reggie again. Then he could DH and we could sign Giles and plug him in at left. IMO Giles and Sanders could be had for a combined 14 mil/year. I dont know the totals that'd we be saving by not having Durazo, Dotel, Hatteberg, Rincon, etc... contracts but it must be close enough.

Then again there's the Zito contract issue that keeps popping up so maybe the best thing to do is re-sign Z ASAP and see where the market and our payroll stands after that.

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin, Seattle Mariners

by Helloooo 1st on Sep 30, 2005 7:55 PM PDT reply actions  

justin morneau
  1. he's canadian like jason bay.
  2. he puts up nick swisher numbers.  
no, i'm not serious about getting morneau, but i was just looking through stats and his numbers are almost identical to swisher.  of course, those who drafted him in their fantasy leagues were probably hoping he would be closer to teixeira...

morneau:
138 g
113/482 h/ab
61 r
21 hr
74 rbi
0 sb
44 bb
93 k
.234 avg
.728 ops (.301 and .427)

swisher:
129 g
106/453 h/ab
64 r
21 hr
74 rbi
0 sb
55 bb
107 k
.234 avg
.768 ops (.322 .446)

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by xbhaskarx on Sep 30, 2005 11:24 PM PDT reply actions  

hypothetical question
swisher dob: Nov 25, 1980
morneau dob: May 15, 1981

swisher: 20 games and 60 ab in one year before 2005.
morneau: 114 games and 386 ab over two years before 2005.  

if you could, would you trade swisher for morneau?

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by xbhaskarx on Sep 30, 2005 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

In a heartbeat
A Beane in the hand is worth $60M in payroll

by jeepers on Oct 1, 2005 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

slugged .536 last year in 300+ plate appearances
yeah, I think I'd take that trade
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by Cutthemullet on Oct 1, 2005 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

i thought some people might say no
but of course i'd do it as well.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Oct 1, 2005 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Aubrey Huff
Huff will be very motivated as he will be playing for his 2007 contract.
If you look over his 3 year splits he can be expected to reach 900 ops.
Huff on the A's is Chavvy's & DJ's backup & 4th outfielder.
That means DH is still open for another bat.

BB can let Kielty (of/dh) go and take on Aubrey (of/3b/1b/dh0. Aubrey tears the cover off the ball at the coliseum and against the better teams (our playoffs rivals).

Keilty ($1.5 in arb?) is less flexible on playing positions and always hits better from one side - Huff ($6.? in '06) hits righties and lefties equally well and is VERY, V E R Y, EASY to get into everyday lineups.

...I'm hoping Huff rarely plays DH. That makes him more valuable! You can still add a bat at DH!
BB could re-sign Durazo to $2 - 2.5 million on a 1 or 2 year deal.

Starters:

2b Ellis
dh Durazo/Huff
ss Crosby
3b Chavez/Huff
1b DJ/Huff
lf Swisher/Huff
rf Payton/Huff
c  Kendall
cf Kotsay

...So Kielty leaves, Huff joins, ...that still leaves $4.5 to compensate for. The D-Rays want pitching in return. Kennedy to D-Rays removes another $3-$4 million (after arbitration). Depending on what the D-Rays will accept; include Cruz or Meyer. If it's Meyer BB can ask for an A or AA player in return. (This means BB extends Zito 3-4 years, ... a good thing!)

If A's & Rays do it that is an additional 50 HRs & 60 doubles easy, 110  extra base hits, ...without hurting the defense or long range A's plans. You are basically replacing at bats by Hatte, Ginter, Watson, Bocachica, & Kielty's 200+. (I think Zito, Harden, Blanton, Haren, & Braden are all better starters than Meyer!)

A cheap man's version can be had by bringing Barton up as DH but I believe he should do at least another year in the minors.

 

"...It might have been a great year with a real DH."

by A s Eh on Oct 1, 2005 2:50 AM PDT reply actions  

Nomar
He'd come on the cheap as he has much to prove. He'd fit in nicely behind of in front of Chavez.

He'd DH and back-up at 3B, SS, 2B, probably 1B and he just told Dusty he'd play OF.

He can still flat out hit, as he has since coming off the DL, and though his injury history makes him anything but a lock to play 140 games, he'd be Dh'ing most of the time, and that would have to help his brittle bones, joints and muscles...

I was hoping we'd get him at the deadline after Bobby got hurt. Didn't read it anywhere...Just hoped...

by mank on Oct 1, 2005 10:48 AM PDT reply actions  

Nomar was once good
Hell, he's still good. But I'd like more than 40 games out of the guy.

Can't stay healthy = waste of $$$

by grover on Oct 1, 2005 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

interesting idea, but where do you play him?
I really doubt that he'd be contend DHing in the majority of the games in which he plays.

by Pucking Insane on Oct 1, 2005 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nomar Garicparra, utility player
pretty sure he'd prefer going to a team like, uh, the Braves (assuming they lose Furcal) or the Nationals (assuming Cristian Guzman is playing for the Newark Bears next season) that would want him to play SS everyday.
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by Cutthemullet on Oct 1, 2005 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Craig Wilson?
What about throwing Craig Wilson around. After missing significant time this year with a broken hand he may be considered expendable by the Pirates. Good OBP and power, always had solid numbers but had his breakout year in '04. Most importantly he's right handed.

by onestepahead on Oct 1, 2005 11:00 AM PDT reply actions  

Lemme throw this out there..Jose Guillen
 Although a head case, he can hit and Washington may not want the farm for him. They need pitchers, and my accept prospects for him, if they are quality since they are still building their team. He has a "bit" of a temper, and may be a problem. But perhaps he can channel that against the Angels..

by billyball1981 on Oct 1, 2005 2:49 PM PDT reply actions  

probably not
I think Jim Bowden's dream outfield would be bringing over Kearns and Pena to go along with Guillen, he's like Bill Parcells, always trying to re-unite former teams...the guys on the Nats that I think could/should be targeted are Wilkerson and Nick Johnson.
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by Cutthemullet on Oct 1, 2005 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

all the power hitters mentioned
almost none of them are nearly as good on the road as they are at home, are they?  isn't that kind of a concern?

personally, i'm hoping for huff.

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by xbhaskarx on Oct 1, 2005 3:21 PM PDT reply actions  

that's probably the best argument for Giles
he put up amazing numbers on the road, OPS over 1.000...I didn't check any of the home/road splits for anyone mentioned here.  Didn't think to, because it wouldn't seem to be as much of an issue as it would be for Giles, who played 81 games at Petco.  

Also, if you're including Kent in that group, that would be even more impressive if he thrived in LA, since that's one of the best pitcher's parks...

Rock over London, Rock on Oakland. Wheaties: It's the Breakfast of Champions.

by Cutthemullet on Oct 1, 2005 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Depends on the player
Konerko's numbers (for example) are better at home because Chicago plays as such a hitter's park... particualrly for the long ball. But his road splits are still quite acceptable, in fact hia OBP is only 9 points lower on the road than at home. I don't think he's a 40+ HR hitter if he leaves the White Sox, but he should be good for 30-35 HRs. He's also hit RHP consistently (and with power) and that is something the A's could certainly use.

I looked up his numbers at the Coliseum and at first glance they're ugly. But a good portion of those ABs came against Zito and Mulder, two pitchers he has struggled with his entire career. That won't be as much an issue.

by grover on Oct 1, 2005 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

konerko too expensive?
i suspect we're gonna have no shot at him. same with giles, unless kendall and kotsay talk him into taking less money to come to oakland (i see him getting offers of $10m/year, and i can't imagine us doing that, unless zito is gone). huff might be interesting, depending on who we have to trade to get him. i think he'd be just what we need.
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by guy incognito on Oct 1, 2005 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Konerko absolutely too expensive
But his bat would be nice.

Oh well.

If wishes came true I'd be in bed with Jennifer Connelly instead of chatting in here...

by grover on Oct 1, 2005 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

$2.5 Million more than 2005:
Part 1.
Sign DH Durazo now. (Use Hatte's $2.7 million)  

Part 2.
Trade Meyer ($0.5), Ginter ($1.4 salary move), and Cruz ($0.7) if  necessary for 1B/3B/LF/RF/DH Aubrey Huff ($6).  Make up the other $3.4 by passing on Kielty ($ 0.875) & Kennedy ($2.2).

Part 3.
Obtain Loduca + Delgado + M Cabrerra ($18 million)
for
Kendall + Street ($11.5) If you don't sign or opt to trade Payton A's can save another $4.0.(A little voice inside keeps telling me to keep righty "good back" Payton and trade lefty "bad back" Kotsay)

A's spend 2.5 million more per year then today. (Cabrerra part came from Grover! Dream big I say! By taking on Delgado's monster contract of 3 more years, maybe $39 million? we move Kendall's 2 more years @ $20 million. Trade monsters. Why? For 5 years of Miguel Cabrerra and Delgado's bat behind   Crosby, Durazo, Cabrerra, Huff, and/or Chavez! If Marlins take Kotsay we actually save a couple million in 2006 with Payton in CF)

13-player roster after trades
*Right handed hitters

C   = *Loducca/*Melhuse
DH = *Durazo/Delgado/Huff
1B  =  Delgado/DJ/Huff
2B  =  *Ellis/*Scoot
SS =   *Crosby/*Ellis
3B  = Chavez/Huff
OF =  (Kotsay/*Payton), *Cabrerra, Swisher, Huff

"...It might have been a great year with a real DH."

by A s Eh on Oct 1, 2005 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just remember
Kendall can say "no trade clause" and muck up your whole world.

I need some time to research the Marlins but I'll come up with a plan that doesn't include blackmailing players to waive their no-trade clause.

Reminds me, I need to talk to Sharon and Jennifer about getting blackmail photos...

by grover on Oct 1, 2005 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hardball!
Put me down for the video
"...It might have been a great year with a real DH."

by A s Eh on Oct 1, 2005 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

part 3
probably the most lopsided serious trade proposal I've ever seen...that's a F*cking L trade, L for ludicrous.  That's alright, we have months to refine our dream trade scenarios
Rock over London, Rock on Oakland. Wheaties: It's the Breakfast of Champions.

by Cutthemullet on Oct 2, 2005 3:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

So was Redman+Rhodes for Kendall...
It turns #3 can't happen because of NT clauses.
..."dumping salaries" sometimes requires "sweetening"
"...It might have been a great year with a real DH."

by A s Eh on Oct 2, 2005 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Personally, I'm huffing for hope
The best conkers to play with are uncracked, firm and symmetrical. Make a hole through the middle of your chosen conker.

by monkeyball on Oct 1, 2005 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Frank Thomas
A huge OBP and power threat.
Has a 10 million dollar option that I'm almost 100% sure the white sox won't pick up.
If he doesn't retire, he'd probably sign a 5 million contract one year contract or a cheaper one with a lot of incentives, and then retire.
Our insurance policy for if/when he gets hurt is Daric Barton, who gets some time to improve his stroke.

by Ellis on Oct 1, 2005 4:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Better risk than Piazza, I think
... and he'll probably be cheaper, too.
The best conkers to play with are uncracked, firm and symmetrical. Make a hole through the middle of your chosen conker.

by monkeyball on Oct 1, 2005 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Big hurt
He was a great hitter, and may have a good year or two left, but the last two years he has earned his nickname Big hurt, by taking so many trips to the DL. I dont think the A's are willing to risk that kind of money on a question mark.

by billyball1981 on Oct 2, 2005 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

i like kent
as well as thomas as they could handle the dh and kent's prod in dodger stadium is a very good point.  

by mcbronsh on Oct 1, 2005 8:13 PM PDT reply actions  

I was wondering
if/when Delgado's name would come up. I'm not up to date with contract amounts, but if he were affordable, I could see the A's going after him. Kind of classic "BB-prototype" player. Giles and Huff are the other ones who make sense to me.
Nico

by Nico on Oct 1, 2005 11:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Prepare to choke and sputter
(Thanks to Apricot for the link)

Delgado:

06 = $13.5 million
07 = $14.5 million
08 = $16 million
09 = Mutual option for $16 million or $4 million buy-out

by grover on Oct 1, 2005 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not to mention
he was the Marlins' big free-agent acquisition before this year. He may not have pushed them into the playoffs, but he was one of their big draws for a fanbase that attends games around the same rate the A's get. No way do they lure him down there, get the kind of season they wanted from him, then just let him go. After what happened with Burnett and now Cabrera grousing, they need as positive an image as they can get, which isn't going to happen by jettisoning all their best guys. Even if they got some of the best prospects around, it's harder to sell the future than it is the present.
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by spal on Oct 1, 2005 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't get me wrong
Delgado is exactly the kind of guy we need and that Beane would like. He's just not coming here.

As for Huff, I fail to see the appeal. He may be a great utility guy, someone to plug the cracks come trade deadline. But he's low-OBP and lacks the power that will complement everyone else we have. Defense we got. We even have some speed, though organizational philosophy dictates it go practically unused, so it's not like Huff's going to be a savior there. He's caulk, when what we need is a cornerstone, if just for 2-3 years.

I think Beane realizes the huge hole we have to fill, even with the development of our younger players. He won't mortgage the future, but I bet(/hope) he does his best to make the biggest impact possible. I predict -- and take this for what it's worth, which isn't much -- either Manny (w/the A's paying up to $10-11M/yr of his contract) or Giles for LF, and hope Tracy for DH.

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by spal on Oct 2, 2005 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Okay, I take it back about Huff
but only partially. He has already hit and passed the general peak age for players. Not to say that he can't rebound, but he has been in a slight decline for the past couple of years. That's not terribly promising (especially bringing him into a pitcher's park), at least not enough to bring him in to provide the consistency we need. Giles is older, but he's been able to show the same basic high level of talent year after year, no matter which team he's on or league he's in. I think that element is what we sorely lack.
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by spal on Oct 2, 2005 1:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm a huge Delgado fan
but he is definitely NOT affordable

by OaklandSi on Oct 2, 2005 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

ya but
we need a right handed hitter!!
"We lost the game, they won, and now they're drinking champagne." -Eric Chavez after the Angels clinched the AL West for the second straight year.

by Beanemyhero33 on Oct 2, 2005 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, I know!
I would trade Scutaro, Rincon and a second-string batboy to the Yankees for A-Rod. Naturally the Yankees would have to pick up all of his salary and send us a few draft picks, but I think its a fair trade.

That's about as feasible as many of these proposals I've been hearing.

by limecat on Oct 2, 2005 3:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Delgado
I've read rumors of them wanting to trade Delgado. I know he is extremely expensive, but he is also extremely good and the A's have these players.

An honest trade:

Kendall, Dan Meyer, Ethier, Colamarino

For

Delgado, Lo Duca

"I dont know what I'm yelling about!Loud Noises!" "By the Beard of Zeus!" "I don't know if you heard me counting. I did over a thousand"

by ohad on Oct 2, 2005 5:24 AM PDT reply actions  

Most realistic trade though
Would be for Aubrey Huff who is cheap or for Carlos Lee, who is probably expendable for good prospects to the Brewers.

The A's actually havea  few options this year, i think Beane will be able to tell the right from the wrong.

"I dont know what I'm yelling about!Loud Noises!" "By the Beard of Zeus!" "I don't know if you heard me counting. I did over a thousand"

by ohad on Oct 2, 2005 5:25 AM PDT reply actions  

Yes, I told her about the rich mohagony
Carlos Lee, I can't believe I forgot about him.  Oh, what working 60 hours a week will do to a brain.  Ohad, I think you and I both suggested this idea roughly a month ago.  I think Cruz, Garcia, Putnam/Robnett, and a mid-level prospect get it done and put El Caballo in the cleanup spot behind Chavy.  Probably the best idea out there.
...it's like an angry mob confronting a deaf-mute who is signing curse words at them.-Monkeyball

by gatling on Oct 2, 2005 7:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Too much
That is too much i think. What i think would get it done is:

Cruz, Garcia and a prospect should do it.

"I dont know what I'm yelling about!Loud Noises!" "By the Beard of Zeus!" "I don't know if you heard me counting. I did over a thousand"

by ohad on Oct 2, 2005 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

That would be great
I just wanted to put at least a fair offer for Lee, not some of these ridiculous 5-6 players for Chad Tracy type deals.
...it's like an angry mob confronting a deaf-mute who is signing curse words at them.-Monkeyball

by gatling on Oct 2, 2005 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nope
Cruz, Garcia, Putnam/Robnett ain't gonna get us Carlos Lee. Cruz is a reclamation project, Garcia is still an unknown, and Putnam/Robnett haven't even had success at AA.

We need to stop overvaluing our own prospects. Putnam and Robnett didn't even crack the top 20 Cal League prospects by BA, which goes to show they're not looked upon as top prospects. GM's are only going to want to take a chance on Cruz now if he comes for VERY CHEAP.

by OaktownTribesman on Oct 2, 2005 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cruz Garcia Robnett/Putnam
I think you are undervaluing:

Cruz-Gm's have always been enamored by Cruz, and his fantastic AAA showing as a starter probably renewed some enthusiasm. There are plenty who would like to take a flyer on him.

Garcia-Unknown, shmunknown. He has dominating stuff, and everyone knows it. He dominated at times in AAA as well, and has closer potential. I'm pretty sure most teams want him.

Putnam also made the top 20 list, and he still had a great year with comps to Brian Giles. He's a refined college hitter with a refined swing.

Robnett has enormous power potential, and top 20 list wasn't based on potential. Just because Putnam and Robnett haven't had success at double A, doesn't mean other teams don't want them....

"I dont know what I'm yelling about!Loud Noises!" "By the Beard of Zeus!" "I don't know if you heard me counting. I did over a thousand"

by ohad on Oct 2, 2005 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Correction
Putnam did not make the top 20 list. The only A's prospect in the Cal League's top 20 was Barton. And the list is compiled by BA, so that pretty much shows it is about potential.

I agree Garcia/Putnam/Robnett all are solid prospects, but the Brewers will have to be offered alot to part ways with Lee. They're not in a fire sale situation. That means offering more than non-top 100 material (Putnam, Robnett), reclamation projects (Cruz), and relief prospects (Garcia).

And again, yeah GM's will "take a flyer" on guys like Cruz, but "taking a flyer" does not equal trading away one's best hitter.

by OaktownTribesman on Oct 2, 2005 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Brewers
They're trying for their first winning season in who knows how long. At worse they finish at .500, and that was with them missing their best SP (Sheets) for a month. They'll be shooting for 90 wins and a playoff berth next season and that means holding onto Lee.

by grover on Oct 2, 2005 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I completely agree
Though to clarify, while the A's only had Barton in the BA top 20, Kevin Goldstein said in his chat that Mellilo definitely would have made the list if he'd had enough ABs to qualify.

And who has compared Putnam to Brian Giles? I've never heard anything like that. Everything I've read says that he's been at least slightly disappointing his whole minor league career.

True that GMs are/have been willing to give Cruz a shot, but they've also been willing to let him go, too. Potential is great, but worthless if there's no performance to back it up.

While the Brewers don't absolutely need Carlos Lee, they can certainly still use him for another year, which means it will likely take a pretty good offer. And who do you think came out ahead in the last trade Beane made with Melvin (<cough>Ginter<cough>)? Not that Melvin's the better GM, not by a long shot, but he's done a good job bringing the Brewers back, and he's not about to sell them short now.

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by spal on Oct 2, 2005 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Putnam comparisons
The player Putnam was most compared to by "industry experts" before he was drafted was Brian Giles. This was based on their LH swing and similiar stautures, as well as Danny's offensive potential.

Putnam might have disappointed some in his debut but his performance in 2005 should have erased any doubts. He spent most of the year in High-A Stockton, but finished the season on AA Midland's playoff roster.

A-Stockton: .307/.390/.479 37 2B 3 3B 15 HR 66/92 BB/K rate in 514 ABs.

AA-Midland (Playoffs): .314 BA, 1 2B 1 HR 4 Runs, 4RBI 3 BB 7 K (35 AB)

by grover on Oct 2, 2005 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

i totally meant almost
i swear. Besides, almost making it is not a bad thing, that place is loaded with frikkin prospects. Putnam didn't make it because of defensive liabilities.

The brewers will not win 90 games, and would want to continue their youth movement, because they won't be able to keep Lee after next year anyways. 2007 is the year. Lee also will be had for less because of the looming free agency.

"I dont know what I'm yelling about!Loud Noises!" "By the Beard of Zeus!" "I don't know if you heard me counting. I did over a thousand"

by ohad on Oct 2, 2005 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree, OaktownT--
I'd go a step further and say that Garcia is a known and it ain't the good kind. Cruz and Garcia are in the category of prospects that goes: Why aren't they as good as their arm? Hmm...How do those prospects usually fare? Hmm...

<checks Chad Harville's stats, calls Todd van Poppel's agent, wonders if Billy Koch has been out of baseball long enough to be eligible for the Hall of Fame voting>

Nico

by Nico on Oct 2, 2005 10:20 AM PDT reply actions  

How much could we get in return
if we traded the Raiders back to LA?
death to myspace!

by malikot on Oct 2, 2005 10:32 AM PDT reply actions  

Keep the Raiders....
...send MT Davis
"...It might have been a great year with a real DH."

by A s Eh on Oct 2, 2005 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

then we could see raiders games on tv.
*Don't tell the Raiders, either. Just leave Mt Davis at the site, with a note: "We believe this is yours, Al. Enjoy! - AN"* - calgbear

by Jjjsixsix on Oct 2, 2005 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

WILLY MO!!!!!!
I know its a pipe dream but it would be AWESOME to get Willy Mo Pena.... damm I guess I can wish. Thats what I would do If I were the Athletics GM
Bring Back The Bash! Bring Back The Stash! Bring back Ricky one more time!!! Go A'S!!!!

by Shippee33 on Oct 2, 2005 12:52 PM PDT reply actions  

El Caballo
I think Carlos Lee is a reasonable dream. I also think he could be had for Cruz/Kennedy, Garcia, and a top prospect.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin, Seattle Mariners

by Helloooo 1st on Oct 2, 2005 4:35 PM PDT reply actions  

depends on the top prospect
if it's someone reasonable (one of our many catchers, or guys like rheineker, etc. who probably won't see daylight in our organization), definitely do it. but i suspect they'll be asking for more, seeing that they don't have to trade lee.
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by guy incognito on Oct 2, 2005 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

This falls under...
This falls under the "we don't know..." category; Cruz and Bynum to the DBacks for Conor Jackson, a fellow Golden Bear alum.

by AAAAAces on Oct 3, 2005 5:28 PM PDT reply actions  

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