who's the power hitter we get? [Update]: now with a poll
[Update] Geez, talk about a lot of reaction! Anyway, I added a poll to this w/ as many of the most common names tossed around on this post). Back to your regularly scheduled post, we apologize for any inconveniences. i think it's pretty certain billy's gonna try and get a good power bat in the offseason, either via trade or FA. but, i'm wondering who ya'll think is likely for us to target. posters on AN have suggested a variety of names. paul konerko (pretty expensive), reggie sanders, brian giles (expensive), cabrera (pipe dream - and i mean a pipe of crack), dunn (reds will ask for too much) carlos lee...anyway, wanted to see what AN thinks is likely. we also may end up doing nothing because most of the big bats will cost a lot of money.
and while some suggest just resigning ruby on the cheap, 2 things. 1, despite his massive size, he isn't a big power hitter (only 22 hr's last year), and 2, after his TJ surgery, i don't think he'll be healthy until june/july. keeping payton as our power RH bat is an option, but while he was great for us, somehow i don't see him striking fear into opposing pitchers, which is what i think billy's looking for.
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My guess is
Jeff Kent
Not quite sure who we send to DePo for him (or whether DePo sends us any cash as well).
Kent would rotate between 2B, 1B, and DH.
I'm of the opinion that we won't see Barton until July '06 at the earliest, and even then only if he's putting up monster numbers in the minors.
And if we do sign Ruby for '06, I don't think Barton will be up until '07.
Jeff Kent
Defense is not his strong point.
He would let in more than he would drive in.
Lou
by LOU @ Athletics Nation on Sep 30, 2005 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
well, you know me ...
Kent
Or he's been the best player on the team, by far. You choose.
by regfairfield on Sep 30, 2005 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
heh
by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
he probably wouldn't have a problem here
Lest I be misinterpreted Larry Krueger-style, if you don't know, I'm half-jokingly referring to Bradley's take on his situation with Kent.
by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Just hope we don't then sign Luis Tiant
if not Tiant
by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Trouble with WHO?
by fatfrank on Oct 2, 2005 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Bay Area is sooo dumb
by Kaybeejay on Sep 30, 2005 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Piazza
probably a bigger risk than Ruby
Then again, he might not be.
Either way, he's probably going to cost more than it's worth to find out.
Then again, maybe not.
I think that whichever AL team ends up with Piazza next year, he will be a huge factor -- positively or negatively. If Piazza still has bat speed and hits 35 HRs, he'll be a huge addition to whomever signs him. If he's turned into Erik Karros, he'll be a huge waste of money and playing time. I'll be very surprised if he's anywhere in between. High risk, high reward.
My guess is he ends up in Anaheim or Baltimore.
California
by Colorado Fan on Sep 30, 2005 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
He hit a 450-foot tater yesterday
Lastly, and most importantly, you can be sure that opposing pitchers will think twice about pitching around Chavy to get to him.
perfect fit for Baltimore
by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not convinced he'll cost a lot
I could be totally wrong, and he could just start a bidding war. But he could also hand pick the situation he wants, money be damned.
good point
by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
That's the nice part about no longer having Giambi
I'd be more worried about a return to LA
butt ...
Piazza could probably play 1B, right?
by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions
He was pretty awful at 1B for the Mets
his bat speed
by guy incognito on Sep 30, 2005 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Piazza
LONG LIVE CLIFF BURTON!!!!!!
Here's a name I'd like to thow out
Age: 33
Bats: Right
Position: Can play third base and left field credibly.
Broke out in a big way in 2003, but couldn't stay healthy. Had a huge 2004 (340/419/562, 27 HR, 104 RBI). Down year in 2005 (281/346/460, 24 HR, 84 RBI). One year remaining on contract, 2006 salary is $4 MM. A bit of a risk asking him to duplicate his numbers.
Ladies and gentleman, I present to you: Melvin Mora. I'm not advocating obtaining him, but...he just might be the type of player Beane is willing to take a risk on. He's not the big scary power bat we all want, but he might be an option if we need to pick up some cheap on-base abilities and moderate power.
Mora
by juan on Sep 30, 2005 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's a name I'd like to thaw out
lol
(think I'm turning into Nico)
by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
no orioles or mariners
if we're talking power hitter it's probably important to stay away from the more juicy teams.
I think we can all bet
by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Sep 30, 2005 12:40 PM PDT reply actions
you mean
by guy incognito on Sep 30, 2005 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey
by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Sep 30, 2005 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
that was funny as hell
next year
by guy incognito on Sep 30, 2005 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe we can put the LF fence on rollers
when Kendall's retired...
by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
You think Kendall will try to muscle up
I don't foresee him swinging for the fences
by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I could not agree with you more
I want to see vintage Kendall
by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions
quite honestly ...
HEs going to get....
by Ben25 on Sep 30, 2005 1:28 PM PDT reply actions
ahem
You're right
Never count out Cincy's inept management
Cincy has been real insistent
That's just what Cincy needs...
by kaweahkaweah on Sep 30, 2005 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
They ought to be interested in Saarloos
Billy will trade...
ahead.
They're not booing...
whenever I "McFood" ...
I swear!
Yeah, you're a little late to climb on
the Splinter Train
me neither
by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
err...
by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
If you're posting from the UK ...
I've been in the same room with that head
Underrated option
1 year with an option and plenty of incentives? It's worth a try in my opinion, and if he's doing well could be traded.
What's with all the
You'd like for him to strike fear
by RunRickeyRun on Sep 30, 2005 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
That's only half of it
I dunno ...
he's probably willing to move
yeah
by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
My choice would be
WRONG
They are also very cheap, and will not trade any player that isn't making a lot of money.
My target? Try to get Conor Jackson from Arizona. Jackson can NOT play defence, thus is in the same position Barton was in last year. He is on an NL Team with no place to play, and blocked at every position.
Bring him here, and he can either DH or Wash can teach him how to play 1B decently. If Barton can master the outfield, then we have one hell of a hitting team!
C1: Kendall
1B: Johnson
2B: Ellis
3B: Chavez
SS: Crosby
LF: Barton
RF: Swisher
CF: Kotsay
DH: Jackson
OK
so they'd choose Tony Clark over Conor Jackson?
by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
They already did
solid core of Russ Ortiz and Tony Clark
by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions
No offense, but that's nuts
by spal on Sep 30, 2005 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd say he'd rank behind
D-Rays
Conclusion: There is no way they trade Jonny Gomes, there future is set and he's part of it. If Baldelli becomes expendable, then Dukes will come in. If Bladelli is really good, Dukes is gone for a pitcher (prospect or young starter).
They are fine, all they need to do is trade huff which shouldn't be hard.
Great Oden's Raven
What, you ate a whole wheel of cheese? And the Germans named it San Diego, which I believe translates to whale's vagina.
Wheel of cheese
by the hammer of thor
I couldn't remember the wording for
It's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good.
I think I ate your chocolate squirrel.
Good shots at slickwdb on Sickels site
Crawford is much more likely to be traded
And the fact that they didn't call up Young or Upton shows that they're not about to hand either one the starting job next year, especially Upton, considering his defense. Even if they do entertain the thought of trading Gomes, which would be fairly dumb, it would have to be for someone who can step in and give them just as much production, or some combination of players who would do the same. Cruz, Garcia, and even Mellilo (I really hope they don't trade Buck) just ain't even close.
by spal on Sep 30, 2005 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
You're probably right.
if Gomes is more valuable offensively...
by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
DRays didn't call up Delmon Young...
by elephantbaseball on Oct 2, 2005 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Hopefully
Manny Ramirez
Aside from the right-handed power threat, Manny also acts as a lightning rod for the media, thus allowing Chavez to fly under the radar and not open his mouth so much.
It could be the perfect scheme... Remember you heard it here first.
I like it
by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
DONT HATE ON ERIC!!!!!!!
I'M NOT HATING ON ERIC, AN BROTHER!!!!!
and to spell it out even more
You're not going to get too far with your writing if you're thrown off by any amount of subtlety whatsoever.
We've got two holes to fill: LF and DH
First, I don't care how well-rested Piazza's going to be if he's the DH; he's been in a steady decline since '00. His name alone will drive the cost up, and moving to DH won't offset the fact that he'd be back in a pitcher's park and another year older.
The DH is where I think we have more options, because we don't have to limit ourselves according to position. My first choice, then, would be Chad Tracy. He's young, cheap, and has done nothing but improve. If Beane can convince Arizona that Tony Clark is going to keep pretending he's Derek Lee (or to move Jackson or Griffin to first), then maybe a fair package of something like Payton (to replace some of the power), Sarloos (they need pitching, and bad), Duchscherer (I repeat, they need pitching, especially in relief, and we'd have to make a sacrifice somewhere), and someone like Robnett, Mellilo, or Pennington would be able to send him over.
If we can't get Tracy, I'd say what the hell and see what we could do to get either Manny, or even better, Jason Bay for LF. I know Pittsburgh would want a lot, but maybe Zito, Sarloos, Duchscherer, Payton, and Herrera? Lots of pitching to give up, I know, but if I were Billy and I wanted something, I wouldn't bother trying to fool anyone by trying to dump guys like Cruz, Kennedy, Garcia, or Rincon off on them and call it a deal. I would, however, try to avoid losing Harden, Haren, Blanton, Band Camp, Swisher, or Ellis, (Kendall, Kotsay, and Chavez aren't going anywhere).
by spal on Sep 30, 2005 3:26 PM PDT reply actions
what the hell are you on bud?
But you are not done:
Zito, Sarloos, Duke, Payton and Herrera for Jayson Bay? NO WAY MAN!
Jayson Bay is really good
Dan Meyer, Juan Cruz, Duke and Danny Putnam
There isn't any reason why they'd trade him
I think we need a bat like Bay's more than we need a pitcher like Z.
by spal on Sep 30, 2005 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
reminds me of the 04-05 offseason
by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, that was me
i didn't start it
Eh, I'm not a GM ^^;;
However, I still like either one as targets for a trade (even though I know Bay will get much more expensive soon). So like you said, take Duke out of the Tracy proposal.
As for Bay, what about Zito, Cruz (I know what I said before, but he's a compromise), and Payton? I just think that since Bay's basically the first guy they've had turn out well (even if they did trade for him) in a while, they're not going to let go of him too easily.
by spal on Sep 30, 2005 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
lol neither am i
A) He is way too expensive for them
B) He has no incentive to stay there and they know it
Basicallyk, if Bay was on the Yanks or something then OK. BUt it's the Pirates and that doesn't fit their need.
Also, i should refind my trade idea a bit. They have like 9 young lefty starters in their system, with Zach Duke already up and performing and Gorzelanny not far behind. I'm not sure if Dan Meyer is what they are looking for.
Cruz, Jairo, Danny Putnam (comparisons to Brian Giles) and a young righty, perhaps Jason Windsor?
Good points
by spal on Sep 30, 2005 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I would love
Harden and Bay
by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions
definitely
by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions
RH Hitters
Rondell White might be the most realistic
White is a little more realistic. i still think Beane will make a push for Giles. He should be slightly undervalued because of his age and his power numbers. I think he'd be our best player if we were able to sign him and he'd be cheaper than Kendall and Chavvy. I think it would be good value at anything under $10 mil a year for 3 years.
by RunRickeyRun on Sep 30, 2005 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
If David Copperfield was our GM ...
Now you want to talk about a butt thread...
lol
http://www.athleticsnation.com/comments/2005/4/18/132140/444/19/post#here
I only have my comment in the link, but it's funny how i said include Hatteberg. LOL i wish.
I think we can divide AN into three groups
They believe the best help for our offense is healthiness of Croz and others but Beane will probably get Cabrera or Dunn too. We will then sign Giles and trade Zito for Quentin and Jackson, then AZ will change their mind and trade Z back for Rincon, Ginter, and Yabu. Then the Cards will give us Pujols. (OK, so maybe just a couple of the early ideas)
Pessimists
The team will remain largely unchanged and continue to struggle offensively. The market values offense just as it should be valued and to take advantage of inefficies we have to rely on defense, "gamers", and good chararcters. Chavez will continue to struggle and any FA is out of the question (even Durazo). No way can we trade for Dunn, Cabrera, Mora, or tracy they are just too expensive.
Realists
"I have no idea what Beane's gonna do."
realist
by ucla kid on Sep 30, 2005 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
i'm starting the:
imagine if we got him in May
by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions
another bandwagon
http://www.athleticsnation.com/story/2005/5/12/8268/27006
Realistic Idea
Tons of power but strikes out a lot also. They (well at least Jim Tracy) seems to be tiring of him in LA but he shouldn't be too tough to pry from Depo. You guys have to realize we probably aren't getting that big name power hitter who can hit for average and walk at the same time. We're a small market, we're going to have to accept some flaws. While Choi defintely wouldn't be a cleanup hitter he'd look good in the 5-6 spot.
by rickeytime on Sep 30, 2005 5:57 PM PDT reply actions
K, K, K, BB, K, K, HR, K, K, K, K...
ok, I like that subject line too much to change it, but after checking his splits, well, DH platoon with Kielty? Might not be such a bad idea after all, though I don't see why DePo would be looking to deal him. If Tracy doesn't like him, they haven't seen eye to eye anyway, fire him, lure Macha away. He'll definitely let Choi work out of his slumps...
by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Decent, cheap (for now) hitters, no imagi-trades
-Jason Bay
-Nick Johnson
-Dave Roberts, only if Beane can get a truly great hitter for DH
-Wily Mo Pena, only if Beane was convinced he could fix his K:BB rate
Chipper Jones might be a decent DH in theory, but no way that's happening.
by spal on Sep 30, 2005 6:41 PM PDT reply actions
cross off the top 2 and the bottom 2
It just hit me:
Wily Mo to Cincy (Bowden signed him to the Reds, immediately compared him to Sammy Sosa, tried to claim him off waivers during ST...he's obsessed, Wily Mo is his Holy Grail)
Nick Johnson to Oakland
Saarloos, Cruz, Garcia to Cincy
classic BB multi-team trade, what do you think?
by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Nick
by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions
We ought to be able to get it done
even better
by Cutthemullet on Sep 30, 2005 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
Also, I have no idea what would be wrong with Chad Tracy (CTM). Even without him, the D-Backs have at least two guys who could man 1st (Clark, who just had his career year and then some, and Connor Jackson, who would be better served not stumbling about the OF). A respectable package (especially including pitching) should at least make them think long and hard.
by spal on Sep 30, 2005 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Chad Tracy
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?playerId=5402
He's more of a free swinger, but this team needs a few of those.
They have no room for Tracy over there, especially with Clark re signed, so he is probably expendable for some pitching (Cruz, Jairo and prospect)
Tracy trade
Cruz and Jairo
FDA-mandated warning label
bay
by ucla kid on Sep 30, 2005 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions
heres my two cents
Then again there's the Zito contract issue that keeps popping up so maybe the best thing to do is re-sign Z ASAP and see where the market and our payroll stands after that.
justin morneau
- he's canadian like jason bay.
- he puts up nick swisher numbers.
morneau:
138 g
113/482 h/ab
61 r
21 hr
74 rbi
0 sb
44 bb
93 k
.234 avg
.728 ops (.301 and .427)
swisher:
129 g
106/453 h/ab
64 r
21 hr
74 rbi
0 sb
55 bb
107 k
.234 avg
.768 ops (.322 .446)
hypothetical question
morneau dob: May 15, 1981
swisher: 20 games and 60 ab in one year before 2005.
morneau: 114 games and 386 ab over two years before 2005.
if you could, would you trade swisher for morneau?
slugged .536 last year in 300+ plate appearances
i thought some people might say no
Aubrey Huff
If you look over his 3 year splits he can be expected to reach 900 ops.
Huff on the A's is Chavvy's & DJ's backup & 4th outfielder.
That means DH is still open for another bat.
BB can let Kielty (of/dh) go and take on Aubrey (of/3b/1b/dh0. Aubrey tears the cover off the ball at the coliseum and against the better teams (our playoffs rivals).
Keilty ($1.5 in arb?) is less flexible on playing positions and always hits better from one side - Huff ($6.? in '06) hits righties and lefties equally well and is VERY, V E R Y, EASY to get into everyday lineups.
...I'm hoping Huff rarely plays DH. That makes him more valuable! You can still add a bat at DH!
BB could re-sign Durazo to $2 - 2.5 million on a 1 or 2 year deal.
Starters:
2b Ellis
dh Durazo/Huff
ss Crosby
3b Chavez/Huff
1b DJ/Huff
lf Swisher/Huff
rf Payton/Huff
c Kendall
cf Kotsay
...So Kielty leaves, Huff joins, ...that still leaves $4.5 to compensate for. The D-Rays want pitching in return. Kennedy to D-Rays removes another $3-$4 million (after arbitration). Depending on what the D-Rays will accept; include Cruz or Meyer. If it's Meyer BB can ask for an A or AA player in return. (This means BB extends Zito 3-4 years, ... a good thing!)
If A's & Rays do it that is an additional 50 HRs & 60 doubles easy, 110 extra base hits, ...without hurting the defense or long range A's plans. You are basically replacing at bats by Hatte, Ginter, Watson, Bocachica, & Kielty's 200+. (I think Zito, Harden, Blanton, Haren, & Braden are all better starters than Meyer!)
A cheap man's version can be had by bringing Barton up as DH but I believe he should do at least another year in the minors.
by A s Eh on Oct 1, 2005 2:50 AM PDT reply actions
Nomar
He'd DH and back-up at 3B, SS, 2B, probably 1B and he just told Dusty he'd play OF.
He can still flat out hit, as he has since coming off the DL, and though his injury history makes him anything but a lock to play 140 games, he'd be Dh'ing most of the time, and that would have to help his brittle bones, joints and muscles...
I was hoping we'd get him at the deadline after Bobby got hurt. Didn't read it anywhere...Just hoped...
by mank on Oct 1, 2005 10:48 AM PDT reply actions
Nomar was once good
Can't stay healthy = waste of $$$
interesting idea, but where do you play him?
by Pucking Insane on Oct 1, 2005 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Nomar Garicparra, utility player
Craig Wilson?
by onestepahead on Oct 1, 2005 11:00 AM PDT reply actions
Lemme throw this out there..Jose Guillen
probably not
all the power hitters mentioned
personally, i'm hoping for huff.
that's probably the best argument for Giles
Also, if you're including Kent in that group, that would be even more impressive if he thrived in LA, since that's one of the best pitcher's parks...
Depends on the player
I looked up his numbers at the Coliseum and at first glance they're ugly. But a good portion of those ABs came against Zito and Mulder, two pitchers he has struggled with his entire career. That won't be as much an issue.
konerko too expensive?
by guy incognito on Oct 1, 2005 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Konerko absolutely too expensive
Oh well.
If wishes came true I'd be in bed with Jennifer Connelly instead of chatting in here...
$2.5 Million more than 2005:
Sign DH Durazo now. (Use Hatte's $2.7 million)
Part 2.
Trade Meyer ($0.5), Ginter ($1.4 salary move), and Cruz ($0.7) if necessary for 1B/3B/LF/RF/DH Aubrey Huff ($6). Make up the other $3.4 by passing on Kielty ($ 0.875) & Kennedy ($2.2).
Part 3.
Obtain Loduca + Delgado + M Cabrerra ($18 million)
for
Kendall + Street ($11.5) If you don't sign or opt to trade Payton A's can save another $4.0.(A little voice inside keeps telling me to keep righty "good back" Payton and trade lefty "bad back" Kotsay)
A's spend 2.5 million more per year then today. (Cabrerra part came from Grover! Dream big I say! By taking on Delgado's monster contract of 3 more years, maybe $39 million? we move Kendall's 2 more years @ $20 million. Trade monsters. Why? For 5 years of Miguel Cabrerra and Delgado's bat behind Crosby, Durazo, Cabrerra, Huff, and/or Chavez! If Marlins take Kotsay we actually save a couple million in 2006 with Payton in CF)
13-player roster after trades
*Right handed hitters
C = *Loducca/*Melhuse
DH = *Durazo/Delgado/Huff
1B = Delgado/DJ/Huff
2B = *Ellis/*Scoot
SS = *Crosby/*Ellis
3B = Chavez/Huff
OF = (Kotsay/*Payton), *Cabrerra, Swisher, Huff
by A s Eh on Oct 1, 2005 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Just remember
I need some time to research the Marlins but I'll come up with a plan that doesn't include blackmailing players to waive their no-trade clause.
Reminds me, I need to talk to Sharon and Jennifer about getting blackmail photos...
Hardball!
by A s Eh on Oct 1, 2005 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions
part 3
So was Redman+Rhodes for Kendall...
..."dumping salaries" sometimes requires "sweetening"
by A s Eh on Oct 2, 2005 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Personally, I'm huffing for hope
Frank Thomas
Has a 10 million dollar option that I'm almost 100% sure the white sox won't pick up.
If he doesn't retire, he'd probably sign a 5 million contract one year contract or a cheaper one with a lot of incentives, and then retire.
Our insurance policy for if/when he gets hurt is Daric Barton, who gets some time to improve his stroke.
Better risk than Piazza, I think
Big hurt
by billyball1981 on Oct 2, 2005 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
i like kent
I was wondering
Prepare to choke and sputter
Delgado:
06 = $13.5 million
07 = $14.5 million
08 = $16 million
09 = Mutual option for $16 million or $4 million buy-out
Not to mention
by spal on Oct 1, 2005 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't get me wrong
As for Huff, I fail to see the appeal. He may be a great utility guy, someone to plug the cracks come trade deadline. But he's low-OBP and lacks the power that will complement everyone else we have. Defense we got. We even have some speed, though organizational philosophy dictates it go practically unused, so it's not like Huff's going to be a savior there. He's caulk, when what we need is a cornerstone, if just for 2-3 years.
I think Beane realizes the huge hole we have to fill, even with the development of our younger players. He won't mortgage the future, but I bet(/hope) he does his best to make the biggest impact possible. I predict -- and take this for what it's worth, which isn't much -- either Manny (w/the A's paying up to $10-11M/yr of his contract) or Giles for LF, and hope Tracy for DH.
by spal on Oct 2, 2005 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Okay, I take it back about Huff
by spal on Oct 2, 2005 1:31 AM PDT up reply actions
ya but
by Beanemyhero33 on Oct 2, 2005 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh, I know!
That's about as feasible as many of these proposals I've been hearing.
Delgado
An honest trade:
Kendall, Dan Meyer, Ethier, Colamarino
For
Delgado, Lo Duca
Most realistic trade though
The A's actually havea few options this year, i think Beane will be able to tell the right from the wrong.
Yes, I told her about the rich mohagony
Too much
Cruz, Garcia and a prospect should do it.
That would be great
Nope
We need to stop overvaluing our own prospects. Putnam and Robnett didn't even crack the top 20 Cal League prospects by BA, which goes to show they're not looked upon as top prospects. GM's are only going to want to take a chance on Cruz now if he comes for VERY CHEAP.
by OaktownTribesman on Oct 2, 2005 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Cruz Garcia Robnett/Putnam
Cruz-Gm's have always been enamored by Cruz, and his fantastic AAA showing as a starter probably renewed some enthusiasm. There are plenty who would like to take a flyer on him.
Garcia-Unknown, shmunknown. He has dominating stuff, and everyone knows it. He dominated at times in AAA as well, and has closer potential. I'm pretty sure most teams want him.
Putnam also made the top 20 list, and he still had a great year with comps to Brian Giles. He's a refined college hitter with a refined swing.
Robnett has enormous power potential, and top 20 list wasn't based on potential. Just because Putnam and Robnett haven't had success at double A, doesn't mean other teams don't want them....
Correction
I agree Garcia/Putnam/Robnett all are solid prospects, but the Brewers will have to be offered alot to part ways with Lee. They're not in a fire sale situation. That means offering more than non-top 100 material (Putnam, Robnett), reclamation projects (Cruz), and relief prospects (Garcia).
And again, yeah GM's will "take a flyer" on guys like Cruz, but "taking a flyer" does not equal trading away one's best hitter.
by OaktownTribesman on Oct 2, 2005 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Brewers
I completely agree
And who has compared Putnam to Brian Giles? I've never heard anything like that. Everything I've read says that he's been at least slightly disappointing his whole minor league career.
True that GMs are/have been willing to give Cruz a shot, but they've also been willing to let him go, too. Potential is great, but worthless if there's no performance to back it up.
While the Brewers don't absolutely need Carlos Lee, they can certainly still use him for another year, which means it will likely take a pretty good offer. And who do you think came out ahead in the last trade Beane made with Melvin (<cough>Ginter<cough>)? Not that Melvin's the better GM, not by a long shot, but he's done a good job bringing the Brewers back, and he's not about to sell them short now.
by spal on Oct 2, 2005 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Putnam comparisons
Putnam might have disappointed some in his debut but his performance in 2005 should have erased any doubts. He spent most of the year in High-A Stockton, but finished the season on AA Midland's playoff roster.
A-Stockton: .307/.390/.479 37 2B 3 3B 15 HR 66/92 BB/K rate in 514 ABs.
AA-Midland (Playoffs): .314 BA, 1 2B 1 HR 4 Runs, 4RBI 3 BB 7 K (35 AB)
i totally meant almost
The brewers will not win 90 games, and would want to continue their youth movement, because they won't be able to keep Lee after next year anyways. 2007 is the year. Lee also will be had for less because of the looming free agency.
I agree, OaktownT--
<checks Chad Harville's stats, calls Todd van Poppel's agent, wonders if Billy Koch has been out of baseball long enough to be eligible for the Hall of Fame voting>
Keep the Raiders....
by A s Eh on Oct 2, 2005 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
then we could see raiders games on tv.
WILLY MO!!!!!!
El Caballo
depends on the top prospect
by guy incognito on Oct 2, 2005 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions
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