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The Wave - What's to be Done?

The post game thread contained some discussion about the embarrassing emergence of the Wave. Some, like me, possess this opinion: I hate it, hate it, hate it, hate it, hate it! Others think it's OK and fun.

Why do I hate it? It makes our fans look bush league. It makes our fans look like they're not interested in watching the game. It makes our fans look like goofy chuckleheads who don't understand baseball.
I can maybe, barely tolerate it when the A's are ahead by 15 or 16 runs. Barely. But in a close, tight game, like last night - when our own pitcher is on the mound against our number one rival? Come on people, WATCH THE GAME!! I truly felt embarrassed last night.

I fear this is going to take on a hideous life of it's own and become a regular event. Not in my Coliseum!

Can anything be done? How do we spread the message that the Wave is totally uncool? Public service announcements? Signs? Chanting? Should we each take it upon ourselves to stand up and say, No!

It's a slippery slope to beach balls, people.

Poll
Is The Wave Bad?
Yes, it detracts from the action on the field and makes our fans look bush league.
56 votes
No, it's harmless fun and keeps the kiddies occupied.
13 votes
Ehh. Don't hate it, don't love it. Whatever, dude.
13 votes

82 votes | Poll has closed

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Methinks
we need a poll
Mark Ellis---"this is the funnest team we've ever been on -- Little League, high school, whatever. This is great."

by Alien @ Athletics Nation on Aug 11, 2005 11:00 AM PDT reply actions  

Good Idea
How do I do that?

by SportySpice @ Athletics Nation on Aug 11, 2005 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Go to your page
Click on "Edit Diary". The fields for the poll are under the fields for the text.

by ArakSOT on Aug 11, 2005 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wave originators
I have had this discussion with many Seattle fans while I was in school at WSU. I contend that the wave originated in Oakland with Crazy George. I am not sure we want to claim this, but I am pretty sure I saw an article once where this claim was staked. Crazy George is a great memory from my childhood when I could go to A's games so I want to make sure he gets his due! But I also never want to see it again in Oakland.
Jeff Go A's

by rickey24 on Aug 11, 2005 11:03 AM PDT reply actions  

For your edification
Here is Krazy George's official defense of his position that he invented the Wave.  He says he started it at the A's playoff game against the Yankees on October 15, 1981.  I was at that game (Righetti shut the A's down, Murphy hurt himself swinging at a high fastball, last game of a 3-0 sweep), but I don't  really remember the wave.

Personally, I'd prefer if people didn't do it, but it wouldn't really keep me away from a game.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Aug 11, 2005 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

When the wave starts...
...I just can't wait for the half inning to end.  I was really disappointed when I saw it going.

by Gene Nelsons Mullet on Aug 11, 2005 11:14 AM PDT reply actions  

Completely agree...
I refuse to participate in any wave. I've actually taken quite a bit of flack because of it.
I'll probably get more heat on me when I say this...

I'm kind of sick of the drummers. It was fun a few years ago, but now it's a bit annoying. Maybe it would be less annoying if was just used for chants & stuff, but it seems like they just sit there & play throughout the entire game.

I'm not trying to be a downer on fan participation, but it seems like the drums could be effective if used sparingly.

"You do if you don't & you will if you won't" - Words of Wisdom by Ron Washington.

by Quiet1 on Aug 11, 2005 11:16 AM PDT reply actions  

No way!
The drums are atmosphere - ambience, if you will. Try going to a Brazilian soccer game once or twice, and then you'll want the drums to quit, but a couple of raging beats in the background is good atmos.

by Ozzz on Aug 11, 2005 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Keep on drumming!!!!
I love it.
I sipped the Kool-Aid, and it tastes gooooooooood!!!

by kaweahkaweah on Aug 11, 2005 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

more drumming please
except, we're gonna need a little more cowbell.
"Some people pray to a totem pole, some people pray to a sun, some people pray to a god. It all works for them. It all comes back to what you think." ~ Zito

by burnone on Aug 12, 2005 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Of course you don't like it
Your name is "quiet1"!  

I think you're about the only one ... what's not to like about community-made music accompanying the game; it's a helluva lot better than the over-loud sound bites they blast through the Arena during Warriors games.  I love a good drum circle.

"Every time he opens his mouth he makes a fool of himself," La Russa said. "He's a village idiot."

by rubin sierra on Aug 11, 2005 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree
It is better than the eardrum shattering sound bytes of the arena... Maybe the drummers could mix it up a bit then? Other than the chants, it seems like they play the same beat the entire game.
"You do if you don't & you will if you won't" - Words of Wisdom by Ron Washington.

by Quiet1 on Aug 11, 2005 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh &...
my screen name has nothing to do with being quiet at an A's game. My brothers & I are very much into cheering, heckling, chanting as loud as possible.
"You do if you don't & you will if you won't" - Words of Wisdom by Ron Washington.

by Quiet1 on Aug 11, 2005 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Wave is hopelessly bush
I thought it originated in soccer for some reason....but maybe I only think that because the first time I saw it was at a Minnesota Kicks game. (Okay, I was in college, what can I say, young people make errors in judgement...)

It made sense for a sport where there is some kind of long break in the action and people had nothing to do but sit around and wait -- but when does that happen any more anywhere in professional sports?  If there isn't some kind of half-time show, Dot Racing, or the equivalent distraction going on, everyone has rushed out to the concession stands and the toilets.

But how to stop it? I believe the Saint Paul Saints once had signs in the stadium declaring it to be a Wave Free Zone.  I'm just about to go home for a couple of weeks, so will check it out and perhaps ANers could make similar signs.

On the other hand, I would hate to give the infrequent baseball fans and teenagers (who seem to be the most likely to do the Wave) the idea that the Coliseum is Grace Cathedral or Davies Symphony Hall, where people are meant to sit in reverential and attentive silence and only make noise at the appropriate moments.

by Englishmajor on Aug 11, 2005 11:23 AM PDT reply actions  

I agree
especially with the latter point. I could see the wave coming yesterday, when attention in my section was waning even before Z was done pitching in the first. My section was full of families and teenagers and they got a huge kick out of the wave, really enjoyed it.

I was annoyed because I was trying to watch the at bat, but whatever. It petered out in less than a minute and (that one) annoyance ceased.

So, while I dislike the wave, I think telling people not to do it is kind of weird. The peeve factor has to be magnified for people at this site because we are a little more serious about watching the game.

For most people, it's probably just fun.

Ron Washington: Thinking outside of the three-sided box since 1977

by tankerraid on Aug 11, 2005 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Please, no criticism of the drummers
Are you kidding? They are one of the great things about the
Coliseum.

by RLangford on Aug 11, 2005 11:23 AM PDT reply actions  

Not kidding...
It WAS a great thing about A's games. Years ago. It's played out now.
"You do if you don't & you will if you won't" - Words of Wisdom by Ron Washington.

by Quiet1 on Aug 11, 2005 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'll re-post this here since it's more topical.
Start another wave...
going the opposite direction, then the wavers will get confused and cancel each other out.

Which brings me to my next point, every wave I've seen seems to go counter-clockwise. Anybody ever seen a wave that went clockwise? Maybe they go that way in the southern hemosphere. :)

I don't have a problem with the wave but I don't like it at crucial junctures in the game, especially when the other team is hitting. But I have kids, and if it's something fun that makes it them want to go to games, I'm all for it.

You can't complain that we don't have high enough attendance on one hand and then complain about activities that make the game more fun for the casual fan on the other. It just goes with the territory.

Picker of Nits since '63. Or so I thought until I discovered AN. Now I feel like a nitpiker.

by McFood on Aug 11, 2005 11:31 AM PDT reply actions  

Weird... every wave I've seen followed the clock.
One went around two nights ago at Nat Bailey Stadium for about thirty seconds. The kids dig it, so what are ya gonna do?

In my opinion, it would make a lot more sense if the A's utilized the wave between innings as a means of getting the fans amped for the next at-bat. This would keep the wave for those that want it, not distract from the game at all, deter 'unsanctioned' waves from appearing during the game, and actually harness its power for good, as opposed to evil.

by Ozzz on Aug 11, 2005 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe the Wave goes the other way
In Australia?
A Beane in the hand is worth $60M in payroll

by jeepers on Aug 11, 2005 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ahhhh Haaaaa
The "Counter Wave".

Not a bad idea.  There's whining and complaining about people doing the wave (me included) and then there's action.

~This is a simple game...You throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the ball. YOU GOT IT!?!

by BornInOakland @ Athletics Nation on Aug 11, 2005 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Destructive interference
In order for the counter wave to work, it would need to go the other direction as you suggest, but it would also need to be opposite in nature -- everyone standing and yelling, and then sitting down and shutting up when the "wave" comes around.

If you're in the section where the two collide, you end up in kind of a crouch, encouraging your team in a speaking voice.

"Everyone was saying, 'Swisher, you suck!' and I was like, 'OK, we've established that.' "

by oblique on Aug 11, 2005 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK
I like your theory, and I'm all for anything that can stop the wave, but to do the counter-wave, does that mean I have to be the idiot who runs along the front of the section waving my arms trying to kick it off?  Because usually they have to do it repeatedly, with a lot of yelling, and I'm not sure I'm up for that.  I'll probably end up tripping on those few stairs that separate the sections on the third deck and make a complete ass of myself.
"Don't be an ass!" --Bill King

by batgirl on Aug 11, 2005 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

There IS Somethign Wrong With The Wave
Put simply it's a distraction to what's happening down on the field.  

You won't find a player on the field who feels that it's a good idea.  Especially last night.  It's a tight game, mid to late innings in a huge series for first place in the division.  That's what people are there to see.  Not people entertaining themselves by standing up and shouting "whoo Hoo!" when the "wave" reaches them.  It serves no purpose and, if it needs to be doe at all, should be held off for a 12-0 game that is over and done with.

Last time I checked, my ticket said "A's Game" $35.  The game is on the field.

~This is a simple game...You throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the ball. YOU GOT IT!?!

by BornInOakland @ Athletics Nation on Aug 11, 2005 12:05 PM PDT reply actions  

C'mon
Who can't stand up with their arms over their head and watch a baseball game at the same time?  If you think your ticket buys you a chance to watch the game and nothing else then should we eliminate everything else that does not directly relate to the game?  No more dot race, hat game, beer can only distract fans from what's going on in the field.  We don't need food vendors anymore, when they shout "Peanuts" people look towards him and away from the game.  We need to demolish the DiamondVision because the fans should be watching the players on the field, not on a big screen.
Olympian Amil Gartenamo, world record holder in both the javelin and the hundred yard dash--only person who ever died by throwing a spear into his own back.

by Furious George on Aug 11, 2005 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

re; C'Mon
I see where you're going and understand your point....but look at what you're defending.

If it was worth defending, I'd be a sport and jump ion board.  Butthe Wave is just dumb....it's not suporting your team, it's not cheering against the other guys, it has nothing to do with anything going on there.  It's just dumb....

~This is a simple game...You throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the ball. YOU GOT IT!?!

by BornInOakland @ Athletics Nation on Aug 11, 2005 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like the wave
I don't love it, and I don't always feel like participating and it looks pretty damned silly when there aren't many people in the stands (hence, my comment in the other thread, kicking off the wave discussion, where I stated that I thought the wave actually looked pretty good last night.)  But overall, I like it.
I sipped the Kool-Aid, and it tastes gooooooooood!!!

by kaweahkaweah on Aug 11, 2005 12:08 PM PDT reply actions  

not a fan of the wave
i don't like people doing it at all, but ESPECIALLY not when the opposing team is batting. they inevitably get at least one hit, it seems.

by vishal on Aug 11, 2005 12:12 PM PDT reply actions  

The Wave
I think it's kinda corny, but it has its place.  It should, however, be mostly for the middle-to-late innings of a game that's not close.  I was disappointed to hear about the wave in last night's game, with the game on the line at the time.

If you don't like it, don't participate, but there's no way to prevent people from standing up or sitting down.

I remember being at the Big Game 3 years ago, where Cal finally won for the first time in 8 years.  The game was essentially decided at halftime, and so the anticlimactic second half was basically a big party for most of the sellout crowd.  I have to say that, in a bowl-like stadium such as Memorial Stadium, the wave looked pretty cool, and was a nice way to celebrate.

by ragnarok on Aug 11, 2005 12:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Protesting the Wave
Conjures up images, for me, of bringing signs to the beach saying "Waves are Annoying" and "Bring Peace to the Sea," while impatiently waiting for the sea to get the message and calm down.  

That's the beauty of the Wave--in an arena packed with people, it's a human phenomenon that rises out of any one human's control ... it becomes as inevitable and unstoppable as waves in the ocean.  It is its own weather system, a massive crowd's spontaneous need to appreciate its own force.  

Absent the Wave, a routine game crowd will never have any occasion to appreciate its own mass.  As a fan I am consicous only of individuals within my own section ... the rest of the stadium is just background.  The Wave provides an opportunity for the crowd to make itself known, for the right-field bleachers to make themselves known to the plaza level infield.  Don't protest the waves; ride them!

"Every time he opens his mouth he makes a fool of himself," La Russa said. "He's a village idiot."

by rubin sierra on Aug 11, 2005 12:18 PM PDT reply actions  

That was a very intelligent & mature way
of justifying something SOOO dumb.
"You do if you don't & you will if you won't" - Words of Wisdom by Ron Washington.

by Quiet1 on Aug 11, 2005 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

thank you very much!!
"Every time he opens his mouth he makes a fool of himself," La Russa said. "He's a village idiot."

by rubin sierra on Aug 11, 2005 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the wave is a great teaching tool.
So many of our citizens are confused by Quantum Mechanics.  The whole Wave / Particle duality.  The Wave allows people to see that the waveform is separate from the field supporting the wave.  So many Teachable Moments for the children, my my.

Next up, Quantum Chromodynamics, and how it relates the the Elecroweak force.

Extra credit - explain how the Standing Ovation is actually a wave too, and work out the it Fourier Transform.

by MobiusKlein on Aug 11, 2005 12:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Which brings up a question...
If the stadium was full of midgets, would they create microwaves?
Picker of Nits since '63. Or so I thought until I discovered AN. Now I feel like a nitpiker.

by McFood on Aug 11, 2005 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

No - that confuses the aplitude
of the wave for the frequency - wave length vs wave height.

by MobiusKlein on Aug 11, 2005 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm a wavemaker...
Just not THAT kind of wave...

I know I'm cheesy but I couldn't help myself.

"You do if you don't & you will if you won't" - Words of Wisdom by Ron Washington.

by Quiet1 on Aug 11, 2005 1:28 PM PDT reply actions  

The best wave ever
I went to a game in Tijuana last season.  The team there is probably at AA/AAA level...actually Armando Rios was on the team.  Anyways, they have cheerleaders on top of the dugout and dressed scantily...gotta love it.  But they also do a slow mo wave.  That's right, 15,000 around the stadium all in unison doingh a slow motion wave.  It was the most to say the least, the very least.

by RunRickeyRun on Aug 11, 2005 3:38 PM PDT reply actions  

I can live with the wave
But please don't do it when we're pitching.  It just distracts our pitcher when it rolls behind the plate.
A Beane in the hand is worth $60M in payroll

by jeepers on Aug 11, 2005 5:40 PM PDT reply actions  

I hate the wave!
I was so mad last night that people were doing the wave when our pitcher was pitching! I couldn't wait for the final out of that inning or a great play to stop it!

You won't see the LF Bleachers Crew doing it... it's just dumb.

"All I know is our fans are nuts, they're crazy." ~Jason Kendall~

by Cassandra on Aug 11, 2005 6:42 PM PDT reply actions  

Actually
I looked over at the LF bleachers and saw people doing the wave....
Ron Washington: Thinking outside of the three-sided box since 1977

by tankerraid on Aug 12, 2005 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

I HATE THE WAVE
I think they used to run anti-wave images on Diamondvision in the late 80s. They used to show an ocean wave with a big X right through it.

Anyhow it really distracts from the game. I've been to a lot of games in Anaheim and they do the wave almost every game down there. Dodgers and Padres fans love it too. I think we should leave the wave, beach balls and monkeys and botox injections to our SoCal friends.

by uci anteater on Aug 11, 2005 7:11 PM PDT reply actions  

wow
we need that on our jumbo tron.
"Some people pray to a totem pole, some people pray to a sun, some people pray to a god. It all works for them. It all comes back to what you think." ~ Zito

by burnone on Aug 12, 2005 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

over the wave
what is this 1982.  you gonna do the cabbage patch too.  weeee.  get over the wave.  please.
"Some people pray to a totem pole, some people pray to a sun, some people pray to a god. It all works for them. It all comes back to what you think." ~ Zito

by burnone on Aug 12, 2005 12:04 AM PDT reply actions  

You can't stop a Wave...
...you can only hope to contain a Wave.
Picker of Nits since '63. Or so I thought until I discovered AN. Now I feel like a nitpiker.

by McFood on Aug 12, 2005 12:10 AM PDT reply actions  

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