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Does Anyone Here Speak Rattoese?

I've read this column three or four times.  And I still have no idea what it says.  I passed it to Mrs. Blez and she doesn't understand it either.

I even had some family who was visiting this weekend read it.  And apparently, no one I know speaks Rattoese.  It's a strange and mystical language.

So I'm opening it up to ANers to explain what in God's name Ray Ratto was trying to say with this column.  Obviously, Ratto's bottom line is that John Fisher, Lewis Wolff and Billy Beane are trying to make nice with San Jose to pave the way for a move to the South Bay for the Athletics.

I guess all writers are guilty of doing this, but sometimes in an effort to be cute, you lose something along the way.  I kept picturing Ratto as Kevin Spacey's classic character Buddy in Swimming with Sharks: And now try to follow me, because I'm gonna be moving in a kind of circular motion, so if you pay attention, there will be a point!

Any way, Billy Beane was right.  I need to stop reading these things.  They just make my head hurt.  

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Wow that is an article

Sir Alex Ferguson--Manchester united "GM of sorts" has rep for  bringing in young players.

uni-name (not a word but belive he is talking about the Ronaldo Pele types).

Head beginning to hurt!!!!must stop....

Why don't they just lick their fingers?

by novaoakland on Dec 18, 2005 4:29 PM PST reply actions  

Sir Alex
functions more like a manager than a GM, Manchester United has a board that deals with money and the like.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." ~Rogers Hornsby

by AinOz on Dec 18, 2005 10:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Not true
Alex Ferguson does control who comes in and out of the club. The board of directors tells him how much money he has to spend, but they do not make the personnel decisions. Some clubs (most Dutch ones, for example, and Tottenham [I've surely lost everyone now]) have what's called a "Sporting Director," aka GM, who is responsible for making moves, and a coach who deals only with the on-field and tactical side of the game.

I could talk about soccer til the cows come home, but this, unfortunately, is not the place.

by spoiltvictorianchild on Dec 19, 2005 12:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Sir Alex "job" with ManU
It's probably more analogous to a head coaching job in the NBA or NFL with a whole lot of personnel responsibilities.
"Damn kids" -Ron Flores

by secret ASian man on Dec 19, 2005 1:19 AM PST up reply actions  

I guess
Most European football managers are a cross between a GM and a coach. Most of them leave the actual hands-on coaching to a head coach (Carlos Quieroz for MUFC), although that's not to say they do nothing at all (the manager will usually decide tactics, team selection, etc.). Their biggest responsibility is bringing in players, by far.
I am a bitter Red Sox fan.

by FlynnSox on Dec 20, 2005 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

zzzz
YABU: You're always eating cheese. ...Is cheese good for you? . FISCHER: IT'S BETTER THAN SUSHI!!!

by ConditionOakland on Dec 18, 2005 4:33 PM PST reply actions  

The A's
The A's have some sort of evil real estate scheme going on which will reward them and screw the public.

by Bambi on Dec 18, 2005 4:47 PM PST reply actions  

"We were somewhere around Morgan Hill
on the edge of the suburbs when the drugs started to kick in..."

Sounds a bit to me like Ratto is going for some gonzo sports journalism.  I think his main point is that Wolfe is just using the MLS play to leverage himself into SJ, either to actually move the A's there or to create a credible threat of doing to, therefore motivating Oakland to cough up some money for the new East Bay stadium.  He also seems to be making a larger point about the nefarious schemes of the guys who run MLS -- I'm surprised he has such a well-developed contempt for them, I have absolutely no idea who they are.  But then, I haven't been following the Quakes-leave-SJ story.

I actually like this piece by Ratto -- his cynicism fits perfectly well in the world of professional sports leagues and development deals.  I also have to give him lots of credit for (a) using the phrase "couldn't care less" correctly (rather than the more common but completely illogical "could care less"), and (b) mentioning Greil Marcus.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Dec 18, 2005 4:52 PM PST reply actions  

Down to sticks and seeds
Love the Morgan Hill/Barstow comparison!  You can even see them as comparable gateway towns if you squint just right.  But while Ratto may want to be a Chron/ESPN.com modern day HST, it ain't happening...its the difference between walking it and talking it (and a considerable talent gap).

That said, I heard Ratto use the "down to sticks and seeds" phrase on Marty Lurie's show last year and I've always had a soft spot for him because of it.

Beat the Angles (they're obtuse!)

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Dec 18, 2005 5:19 PM PST up reply actions  

OK, I'll give you that . . .
except that, at least in the circles in which I ran, it was stems and seeds.  Other than that, I have almost no use for Ratto.  In my view, a columnist (or talk show host,for that matter) has only two functions:  entertain or inform.  The best ones, of course, do both, and the worst ones (a group in which Ratto falls) do neither.  It's interesting because he's actually a little better when talking than when writing--his "wit", if you want to call it that, comes across better verbally than in writing.  Not a good quality for a print journalist.  His writing always comes across as, given the choice, he always opts for the cute phrase, the obscure reference, the attempt at urbane humor.  He continually commits the cardinal sin:  he's in love with his writing and expects others to be dazzled.  I'd much rather read a straight piece, though perhaps a bit colorless, that is clear, concise, well-written, and thoughtful.  It is only on the rarest occasion that Ratto manages to do this.  

by camperdog on Dec 18, 2005 6:34 PM PST up reply actions  

hit the nail on the head
ratto is a professional idiot...neither entertaining nor informative.
tdwclark

by tdwclark on Dec 18, 2005 7:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, exactly:
He's an awful writer. He aims high, but never hits the mark.

by spoiltvictorianchild on Dec 19, 2005 12:28 AM PST up reply actions  

yup, dude needs a proofreader
or maybe a remedial writing class.  I thought that paragraphs needed main ideas, and points, and real words. "deterioratium" ??
I pickled The Beast.

by improbable greatness on Dec 19, 2005 10:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Stadiums as Real Estate Plays
I read it and, on the whole, Ratto has the right ideas, but doesn't "connect the dots" very well, which is funny when he uses that statement.  It's basically about the fact that stadiums have enormous impact on the price of the surrounding real estate.  

I saw Tim Romani, who does most of the major stadium projects in the US and has a company with Anschutz, speak in my sports management class.  Anschutz and his firm find run down real estate, stick a stadium in there (MLS if they must,  Anschutz owns like 50% of the league) and then build a giant entertainment village around it.  They've done it in a number of places, like Denver and LA.  Now they're trying to move the formula to Europe in Berlin.  

They take a place that typically had no people traffic and with, say a new MLB stadium, suddenly create a place with 2-3MM customers per year.  The price of surrounding real estate can go from $15/sqft for an abandoned industrial park before the deal to $500-800/sqft afterwards.

So, since Lew Wolff is a real estate developer, he is looking for the perfect combination site for a MLB stadium to create his own money printing machine.  The MLS angle gives them both additional consumers and leverage on the SJ city council.  They'll lose their shirts on the MLS investment (as everyone has), but then make a killing on the surrounding real estate.

In the end, you can interpret the article in one of two ways.  Either Wolff et al really have no intention of staying in Oakland and are just positioning the pieces for a SJ move (and if anyone can get them to SJ it's Wolff - Selig frat brother and SJ real estate developer with deep connections) or Wolff is just letting his investment partners (Beane, Fisher, etc) go in on a project with him.  I know which one I think is more likely.

Signatures? We don't need no stinking signatures.

by jubjub on Dec 18, 2005 4:57 PM PST reply actions  

There has been absolutely no progress reported
On the new stadium north of the Coliseum.  NONE!  It's in committee, it's in analysis.  Whatever!

Oakland needs make to clear what it wants and act.  Unfortunately, the city's priorities are crime, jobs, and schools.  Not a baseball stadium that will be supported by out of town white people.

Sorry to use that terminology, but trust me:  The "race card" will be played more than a few times by the Oakland city fathers, particularly if they're about to look bad by losing the A's.

San Jose is better than Las Vegas, folks!  And there are more than a few people who think that the Giants' territorial rights claim can be negotiated away.

by Rob @ Athletics Nation on Dec 18, 2005 4:57 PM PST reply actions  

a downtown ballpark that brings in
people to spend money and increase foot traffic would be nothing to sniff at. But I don't know if any of Oakland's politicians are looking at it this way, unfortunately.

by OaklandSi on Dec 18, 2005 5:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Not so mysterious
Ratto is suggesting that a primary reason Fisher is interested in the MLS team is because there would be synergy with developing a soccer stadium and developing a new baseball stadium for the A's in the same area.  If that's true, it follows that it would entail moving the A's to San Jose.

It's a little hard to follow, since he's filled up the column with so much colorful language and weird allusions.

So is Ratto right?  Beats me.  But that's what he's trying to say.

by iglew on Dec 18, 2005 5:05 PM PST reply actions  

No way we ever move to SJ.
Especially after Giants have seen what happened to Orioles revenue.
Why don't they just lick their fingers?

by novaoakland on Dec 18, 2005 5:23 PM PST up reply actions  

what if magowan gets offered ...
... a piece of the real estate deal.

by vk on Dec 18, 2005 5:25 PM PST up reply actions  

intersting
Ok you have my attention. but does that cut into the A's revenue such that a deal is not worth it?
Why don't they just lick their fingers?

by novaoakland on Dec 18, 2005 5:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Oooooooooh
Best conspiracy theory I've heard yet.  The Giants have an albatross of debt service to pay on their BALCO Ballpark and could use another revenue stream.

by socal on Dec 18, 2005 7:00 PM PST up reply actions  

That is a frighteningly logical theory
and it scares me a tad, since I could certainly see something like that going down.
"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." -Robert S. Wieder

by Kyli on Dec 18, 2005 7:12 PM PST up reply actions  

oouu...
best plan I've heard on AN regarding this... but would MLB call this an underhanded deal and shoot it down?
Damn! Street is so imposing, he even causes the earth itself to freeze in fear! - monkeyball

by Jjjsixsix on Dec 18, 2005 8:04 PM PST up reply actions  

You may be missing
the biggest link of all in the conspiracy.  Lew and Bud are old road dogs together.  College room mates and all that.  I for one think it's no coincidence that Seligs' "friend" bought the team at such a fortuitous time.  Think about it.  What will the A's be worth WITH a shiny new stadium in SJ?  How much of a killing would Lew and crew stand to make?  How much involvement and connections does Wolfe already have in SJ?  Another thing, does anyone really believe that "territorial rights" will really stop the A's from relocating to SJ if Selig deems it should be so?  What MLB giveth, surely MLB can taketh.  It's not like they wouldn't be returing what originally belonged to the A's in the first place.  Eh....enough of my mad musing.
"People ask me what I do all winter without baseball. I stare out the window and wait for spring." --Rogers Hornsby

by alox on Dec 18, 2005 9:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Why not?
MLB did similar deals with Peter Angelos in order to get the Expos/Nationals to Washington. Could be an "If you can't beat them, appease them" situation.

In which case, I hope the A's are careful not to give the Giants too much -- for example, as I understand it, the revenues of regional sports network Mid-Atlantic Sports Network (owned by the O's and Nats) are HEAVILY weighted toward the O's -- a concession to get the Nats on TV in the area. This in addition to whatever cash Angelos is getting just for allowing the Nats in the neighborhood.

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by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Dec 19, 2005 8:29 AM PST up reply actions  

"The most likely cause of his pain...
......may have been that his humor was overly strained."   How the 'Stache Stole Christmas

Ratto is definitely what my grandmother used to call too clever by half, making his message nearly incomprehensible at times through his efforts to seem erudite.  Translated, though, I think he's on the right track here:  the A's San Jose soccer interest fits well with their more general belief that the South Bay is the most fertile Bay Area market for stadium building, particularly when combined with housing+retail development.

Vertigo's Ballpark Blog (which call's Ratto's piece excellent) has been humming along this theme the last few days; lots of different puzzle pieces taken together seem to be pointing to the San Jos-A's of 2010 or so.  And the effect of Oakland's impending Mayor race on the current Council politics (plus Raider's related general stadium gunshyness) make it really unlikely that the A's current home town will step up any time soon.  There's definitely more to piece together here, but as things stand now I'd bet on San Jose as the next A's home against the entire rest of the field, Oakland included.

Beat the Angles (they're obtuse!)

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Dec 18, 2005 5:09 PM PST reply actions  

Since there's no open thread
I'd just like to let everyone know to stop worrying about whether the A's 3B is getting along with the Giants' former SS.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Dec 18, 2005 5:18 PM PST reply actions  

Wow
"Uribe, whose close ties with President Bush contrast with Chavez's frequent criticism of United States 'imperialism'"

I had no idea Chavy was such a freedom-fighter during the offseason.  I thought it was Byrnes who spent the offseasons in Latin America.  

Chavy in '08!

by rubin sierra on Dec 18, 2005 5:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Now I finally understand
Chavy's baseball card, where it says "votes left, throws right".
Nico

by Nico on Dec 18, 2005 5:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Seems like you understood it just fine
"Obviously, Ratto's bottom line is that John Fisher, Lewis Wolff and Billy Beane are trying to make nice with San Jose to pave the way for a move to the South Bay for the Athletics."

Yeah, I had to read the last paragraph three or four times ... but basically he's just leaving us with the visual of our own Billy, immersing himself in hording up all the under-valued soccer talent out there.   Just to give us a chuckle.  Call me crazy but I like the challenge of trying to read his pieces.  Yeah, he does often lose me, but I feel that's a small price to pay for the enjoyment I get out of the jokes he writes that I do follow.

by rubin sierra on Dec 18, 2005 5:31 PM PST reply actions  

"You put your
Ratto in, you put your Ratto out, you put your Ratto in and you turn it all about..."
Nico

by Nico on Dec 18, 2005 5:56 PM PST reply actions  

ESPN
this is an article from ESPN.com that explains it way better

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=352435&cc=5901

by somuchforplanb on Dec 18, 2005 6:00 PM PST reply actions  

Sadly, you're right...
and even sadder, it's just an AP article.
Damn! Street is so imposing, he even causes the earth itself to freeze in fear! - monkeyball

by Jjjsixsix on Dec 18, 2005 8:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Ratso Ratto tattles like a Tweedle-dumb.

Think about it.

If the A's wanted to build a ballpark in San Jose, they wouldn't need Mr. Lewis. There's enough sharks and billionaires down there to pave the dugout in gold. No siree, Ratto.

He's got very little to write about, considering the pigskin news of late. And he knows baseball fans are searching hourly to see what The Great Billy Beane will pull off next. Since Ratto has no news, aside from, okay, yeah, why not put some bucks into the SJ region? It will certainly deliver more A's fans TO Oakland, not away from.

Furthermore, his writing is more disheveled than his thinking. No Pete Dexter is he.

The A's are an Oakland team and will remain an Oakland team and the trades, thus far, shows where the REAL news is, thus far:Oakland's front office (and the owners' pockets) And it's obvious they're minds are focused more on building a WINNING TEAM than a winsome ballpark.

But we shall have both, and both shall be in Oaktown.

Darn it, Bill, you just made Toledo even holier.

by Edwinwinwin on Dec 18, 2005 6:01 PM PST reply actions  

If there were ever an appropriate time...
...for the figurative use of "onanism," it's Ratto's writing. He doesn't much care about making a point or researching the details of the situation here (seemed like a pretty surface-level article to me), he just wants to shout over and over about how bizarre it all is by employing as many clever phrases he can muster. He stockpiles them into one article so that the next person to write about the situation will look like a copycat if they even think about saying something clever, too. It's a race for ego. (He also used the same phrase -- "[blank] meet [blank]" -- twice, probably because he was so caught up in the euphoria of an opportunity ripe for over-description that he forgot. This is journalistic purple prose to the Nth degree. At least HST usually had a point to make.)

Here's the thing that gets me, though: Is this really all that big of a deal? We know there's a decent chance the A's might move from Oakland, so that's not news. And now Fischer and Wolff are exploring a creative option to get themselves into the South Bay that's so jealously guarded by the Giants. So what? Ratto's last line would seem to imply that that's a bad thing, but he gives no explanation why other than Beane adopting a british accent. All he's done is outline the situation that anyone who had read the press releases probably already knew about. He gives us nothing new, and doesn't give much of an opinion, either. He's merely [licked] his own [popsicle], and is trying to convince us that we should do the same.

username

by spal on Dec 18, 2005 6:34 PM PST reply actions  

"HST"
Harry S Truman?  Hubble Space Telescope??

???

by iglew on Dec 19, 2005 2:12 AM PST up reply actions  

The late and much lamented
Hunter S. Thompson
Beat the Angles (they're obtuse!)

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Dec 19, 2005 7:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Great analysis of Ratto

He would be fine if he was actually clever, as opposed to just thinking he is. All those stupid metaphors - they just seem random sometimes.

What really gets me about Ratto is that the considerable space filled by his column could actually be better served by some real analysis of the issue. Surely there's more to say, some relevant data, precedence by MLS or MLB owners...jeez anything. Instead, a bunch of cutesy, unedited mini-rants.

When will the Chronicle realize that their columnists need to say something beyond what we can hear from the guy sitting at the end of the bar?

by Mark H on Dec 19, 2005 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

answer
when people stop talking about the columnists.

by vk on Dec 19, 2005 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

funny. my eyes glazed over.
ratto seems to be tipping one, or rather pouring one to himself, and thanking himself for the accommodation. (the sad note is ratto probably stiffed ratto on the tip as well).

ratto seems lost at times. if there isn't something interesting or traumatic to write about the giants, he often goes willy nilly into speculation and ego dreams. me thinks i smell a tom collins (or five).

what is all lost in this is that these owners have a lot of money. if wolff and co were to buy out rubios fish tacos, ratto would theorize that it meant the a's were doing away with stomper, as we all know pachyderms do not eat sushi. RIGHT?

this is simply a bargain hunt.

just like the a's purchase, wolff and co see a market demand, and a hole to fill. with the quakes leaving SJ, they see a sports market to profit from. plus, with rongonzo's garbage troubles in SJ, nothing is going to move in the near future. why talk sports when you can talk about censuring and criminally convicting a well-seated mayor of one of the richest tax bases in the area?

however, ratto would love to see the end game of a territory rights fight between his beloved giants, and those "spunky" a's. it would give him something to write about without having to down a bucket of trader joes (or is joses in this case?) vodka.

ratto and radnich are one in the same. lots of noise, limited talent, and moronic hullabaloos. (in fact has anyone ever seen them in the same place?)

by greendatitiz on Dec 18, 2005 7:26 PM PST reply actions  

Ratto and Radnich
Has anyone ever seen them in the same place?

Sadly, yes.

by iglew on Dec 19, 2005 2:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Are you sure
there weren't a lot of smoke and a bunch of mirrors involved? God, I hope so.
Thank You Bill...
Go A's

by NomAd on Dec 19, 2005 9:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Sounds to me
like dear Ray has some serious sexual repression issues.  Does he do any drag circuits?  I detected a hint of mascara on his photo......
"People ask me what I do all winter without baseball. I stare out the window and wait for spring." --Rogers Hornsby

by alox on Dec 18, 2005 8:04 PM PST reply actions  

Develop a "scan quick" technique
My eyes caught the "A's" part of the headline, so I sorta "scanned" real quickly through it.

The thing to look for is the "quotes" from parties mentioned in the article.

No quotes, no cred.

I certainly could not get the qist of what he was implying.  Implications don't cut it. Ratto simply has a job, like cutting the lawn once a week.  He has to produce (a column.)

"There. Done. ... (slap slap)."  < note: imaginary, not really quoting Ray Ratto.

This is the man who predicted the A's would not win 60 games.  Just look for quotes, move on.  The rest certainly is not worth scrutinizing until your head hurts!!!!!

"Don't go getting all Alexander Haig on me, either." Beane to Forst at GM winter meetings.

by Ducts on the Pawn on Dec 18, 2005 8:24 PM PST reply actions  

Jesus!
Reading Ratto is painfully difficult with all of that snarky shit he puts in his piece.  Without all of it though, his editorial is two paragraphs long...tops.  

Maybe, just maybe, if I were ADHD and if I was off my meds, I'd be able to follow him better.  Unfortunately even that would be of little help - his timing is worse than a Ford Pinto with a missing distributor cap.

Indulge me the opportunity to draw a parallel on Ratto's overused sense of humor that seldom delivers: it's like reading a vastly inferior version of Monkeyball who, when posting his zingers, consistently responds to the wrong parent-posts and, at times, in the wrong diaries too.

by LowcountryJoe on Dec 18, 2005 8:42 PM PST reply actions  

Official story from A's... formal press release
http://oakland.athletics.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20051216&c ontent_id=1283243&vkey=pr_oak&fext=.jsp&c_id=oak

I believe the key word in the statement is "management".  Wolff is stating that, because they know marketing, know player evaluation techniques, know valuation of personnel, it would be a good challenge to the management team presently assembled to take on another entity.

To tie it in like Ratto did to some meandering means to take the team to San Jose is a discredit to Wolff.  The man made a detailed plan as to what he wanted to do.  It is a plan from a guy loonnnnnnnnnng in the commercial real estate game.  He has no reason to lie, as Ratto implies.

"Don't go getting all Alexander Haig on me, either." Beane to Forst at GM winter meetings.

by Ducts on the Pawn on Dec 18, 2005 8:43 PM PST reply actions  

Ratto...
He wants to be Hunter S. Thompson, but he ends up sounding like Charles Bukowski on turpentine.
1972...1973...1974...1989...2006

by emperor nobody on Dec 18, 2005 9:24 PM PST reply actions  

billy beane IS right
i mean seriously: who cares? all you're doing is sending ratto more readership.

i know it's a slow offseason, but there's got to be other things for us to talk about.

by hunger on Dec 18, 2005 10:56 PM PST reply actions  

Holy Crap!
I don't read the Chron, so I had never read R.R. before, but, damn! that's the most incoherent thing I've ever read from a major newspaper.  Do the Chron editors ever read his shit?  Anyway, what if Lew Wolff and John Fisher see an opportunity in SJ?  That's what free enterprise is all about.  I'd prefer to see the A's stay in Oakland, but San Jose is much better than Las Vegas.  Ratto should take a valium and concentrate on writing columns that make sense.
Green and Gold since '73. #1712

by kent1 on Dec 18, 2005 11:52 PM PST reply actions  

The fact that an official A's press release
was issued about an interest in purchasing an MLS team in San Jose makes the overall intentions perfectly clear.  Wolff could have done this on his own through his other company(s) or remained publicy silent until the deal was consummated.  The dots can be easily connected by taking 880 south from Hegenberger.  

His line about Magowan's salmon shirt was pretty good.

In other news, I just saw a report of a DUI checkpoint outside of the parking lot after the Raider game today, complete with a video shot of a backseat littered with empty cans and bottles.  Some might call this shooting fish in a barrel, others entrapment.  

by southofcruiseamerica on Dec 18, 2005 11:56 PM PST reply actions  

Oh man....
why do you make it so easy?  Do you realize that I have chewed off a third of my tongue....But I refuse to increase the misery of the Raider fans.  Hell no.....lets see, a raider fan and the cops....who woulda thunk it?  An intoxicated raider fan and the cops....now your speaking heresy.  A drunken raider fan with a police escort to another black hole....For the love of all thats decent...no. Eh, at least somebody will score.
"People ask me what I do all winter without baseball. I stare out the window and wait for spring." --Rogers Hornsby

by alox on Dec 19, 2005 12:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Hey, at least he ain't Plaschke
Ratto does make valid points this time.  All that self-important gobbeledygook he uses to try to sound witty helps obscure the fact that he's stating the obvious.

The A's want to be a part of the new Earthquakes so they have leverage to either to do one of two things:

  1.  Move to San Jose.
  2.  Get Oakland jealous so that city's government can get off its ass and do something about the stadium situation.
"Damn kids" -Ron Flores

by secret ASian man on Dec 19, 2005 1:26 AM PST reply actions  

Tylenol, anyone?
Quick! My head hurts. Ratto's cynicism and sarcasm puts Seinfeld's show to shame. He's too much...I usually skip over his A's hatin'. This article reminded me why I typically ignore his columns. Great reinforcement, really.

by rocksolidrichharden on Dec 19, 2005 1:05 PM PST reply actions  

No idea
Blez, I can assure you it's Ratto and not you. I tried to read and comprehend the column 3 times without success, and I'm no mental slouch.

In my mind, Ratto is always suspect because he has violated my one grammatical cardinal sin: misusing the word "penultimate". He has used the word on more than one occassion to mean "the ultimate ultimate" rather than than its true meaning, which is "next to last". Now that's just sloppy journalism! How hard is it to pick up a dictionary and verify a definition?

The line from Princess Bride is appropo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means".

As for this weekend's column, I gave up and I would suggest you do, too.   :)

by Happy Chappy on Dec 19, 2005 4:57 PM PST reply actions  

Don't you love it...
...when finicky board rats pick on somebody's grammar or word usage and then make silly mistakes themselves?

It's "apropos," dude. Look it up.

;-)

by billy north hitting the wall on Dec 19, 2005 5:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Ratto's main problem is...
...he always has to find 500-800 words to make the same point: Money rules.

Since he can't/doesn't actually do any reporting, nor does the media at large do much of any real reporting on sports business, he doesn't have much more to work with than "where there's smoke there's fire" -- which may be true, but doesn't add much to our understanding.

As for his writing style, it is cheap baroque, like his sweaters. I think he has suffered the classing columnist downfall of starting out unique and funny and then, over the years of cranking it out, eroded into a parody of himself. Kind of like Al Pacino.

by billy north hitting the wall on Dec 19, 2005 5:46 PM PST reply actions  

"cheap baroque"
It sounds very appropriate.  It's like gilded but not golden.
"Damn kids" -Ron Flores

by secret ASian man on Dec 19, 2005 6:52 PM PST up reply actions  

ratto a moron
Ugh, I don't like this guy at all.  Here is his profile at sportsline.com:

http://cbs.sportsline.com/columns/writers/ratto

I'm sure he wrote his own bio, too...smug jackass...

Here is an article he wrote about Bradley and the A's:

http://cbs.sportsline.com/columns/story/9096422

at the end..."In other words, this could be Ron Artest, or it could be Ron Artest, if you know what we mean, and we think you do."

He just seems to always take shots at the A's for no apparent reason...that bothers me considering the A's keep proving people, including him, wrong

But if your life is such a big joke, then why should I care?

by johnspaz7 on Dec 19, 2005 5:47 PM PST reply actions  

I liked this article
he did a nice job with the soccer stuff.  The Beane & Sir Alex comparison was a riot.  

by DKNJ on Dec 19, 2005 6:07 PM PST reply actions  

say what you will
about Ratto, but his column after the William Ligue Sr. and Jr. attack on the Royals first base coach remains one of the funniest things I've ever read.

And everytime I've emailed him after I read his column, he's emailed me back.  Generally just a few words, but there's something to be said for someone who: a.) puts his email address out there after every column, inviting everyone to tell him what a nutball he is; and b.) personally responds  to those who write him.

by Leopold Bloom on Dec 19, 2005 6:39 PM PST reply actions  

Does this guy do drugs...
Since I don't know anything about San Jose soccer I didn't get the numerous inside jokes.  But, then I read it again and got stuck on "titular" again.  

This is not baroque...it is more like a velvet painting of a bullfighter.  And, it does have alot of bull in it.

by Andy907 on Dec 19, 2005 8:02 PM PST reply actions  

I'm gonna
send it to pitchfork and say it's a review for that album Earthquakes by the hot new indie band San Jose.  Ten bucks says they hire me on the spot.

by gimpy989 on Dec 19, 2005 8:52 PM PST reply actions  

Moonraker, ticking bondage. Shaken not stirred...
J*sus, he gives himself such a chuckle the point is besides the point. He is so very often wrong that he's looking more and more like Glenn Dickey with a thesaurus. Irrelevant scamp - no a rake, a tedious rake with an appetite for G*d what, strickly corn dogs? Cryptic chum sells.
"Cool it, brothers." Last words of Malcom X

by Bosnian on Dec 19, 2005 9:07 PM PST reply actions  

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