Does Anyone Here Speak Rattoese?
I've read this column three or four times. And I still have no idea what it says. I passed it to Mrs. Blez and she doesn't understand it either.
I even had some family who was visiting this weekend read it. And apparently, no one I know speaks Rattoese. It's a strange and mystical language.
So I'm opening it up to ANers to explain what in God's name Ray Ratto was trying to say with this column. Obviously, Ratto's bottom line is that John Fisher, Lewis Wolff and Billy Beane are trying to make nice with San Jose to pave the way for a move to the South Bay for the Athletics.
I guess all writers are guilty of doing this, but sometimes in an effort to be cute, you lose something along the way. I kept picturing Ratto as Kevin Spacey's classic character Buddy in Swimming with Sharks: And now try to follow me, because I'm gonna be moving in a kind of circular motion, so if you pay attention, there will be a point!
Any way, Billy Beane was right. I need to stop reading these things. They just make my head hurt.
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Wow that is an article
Sir Alex Ferguson--Manchester united "GM of sorts" has rep for bringing in young players.
uni-name (not a word but belive he is talking about the Ronaldo Pele types).
Head beginning to hurt!!!!must stop....
Sir Alex
by AinOz on Dec 18, 2005 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
Not true
I could talk about soccer til the cows come home, but this, unfortunately, is not the place.
by spoiltvictorianchild on Dec 19, 2005 12:26 AM PST up reply actions
Sir Alex "job" with ManU
by secret ASian man on Dec 19, 2005 1:19 AM PST up reply actions
I guess
by FlynnSox on Dec 20, 2005 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
zzzz
by ConditionOakland on Dec 18, 2005 4:33 PM PST reply actions
The A's
"We were somewhere around Morgan Hill
Sounds a bit to me like Ratto is going for some gonzo sports journalism. I think his main point is that Wolfe is just using the MLS play to leverage himself into SJ, either to actually move the A's there or to create a credible threat of doing to, therefore motivating Oakland to cough up some money for the new East Bay stadium. He also seems to be making a larger point about the nefarious schemes of the guys who run MLS -- I'm surprised he has such a well-developed contempt for them, I have absolutely no idea who they are. But then, I haven't been following the Quakes-leave-SJ story.
I actually like this piece by Ratto -- his cynicism fits perfectly well in the world of professional sports leagues and development deals. I also have to give him lots of credit for (a) using the phrase "couldn't care less" correctly (rather than the more common but completely illogical "could care less"), and (b) mentioning Greil Marcus.
Down to sticks and seeds
That said, I heard Ratto use the "down to sticks and seeds" phrase on Marty Lurie's show last year and I've always had a soft spot for him because of it.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Dec 18, 2005 5:19 PM PST up reply actions
OK, I'll give you that . . .
hit the nail on the head
Yes, exactly:
by spoiltvictorianchild on Dec 19, 2005 12:28 AM PST up reply actions
yup, dude needs a proofreader
by improbable greatness on Dec 19, 2005 10:44 PM PST up reply actions
Stadiums as Real Estate Plays
I saw Tim Romani, who does most of the major stadium projects in the US and has a company with Anschutz, speak in my sports management class. Anschutz and his firm find run down real estate, stick a stadium in there (MLS if they must, Anschutz owns like 50% of the league) and then build a giant entertainment village around it. They've done it in a number of places, like Denver and LA. Now they're trying to move the formula to Europe in Berlin.
They take a place that typically had no people traffic and with, say a new MLB stadium, suddenly create a place with 2-3MM customers per year. The price of surrounding real estate can go from $15/sqft for an abandoned industrial park before the deal to $500-800/sqft afterwards.
So, since Lew Wolff is a real estate developer, he is looking for the perfect combination site for a MLB stadium to create his own money printing machine. The MLS angle gives them both additional consumers and leverage on the SJ city council. They'll lose their shirts on the MLS investment (as everyone has), but then make a killing on the surrounding real estate.
In the end, you can interpret the article in one of two ways. Either Wolff et al really have no intention of staying in Oakland and are just positioning the pieces for a SJ move (and if anyone can get them to SJ it's Wolff - Selig frat brother and SJ real estate developer with deep connections) or Wolff is just letting his investment partners (Beane, Fisher, etc) go in on a project with him. I know which one I think is more likely.
There has been absolutely no progress reported
Oakland needs make to clear what it wants and act. Unfortunately, the city's priorities are crime, jobs, and schools. Not a baseball stadium that will be supported by out of town white people.
Sorry to use that terminology, but trust me: The "race card" will be played more than a few times by the Oakland city fathers, particularly if they're about to look bad by losing the A's.
San Jose is better than Las Vegas, folks! And there are more than a few people who think that the Giants' territorial rights claim can be negotiated away.
by Rob @ Athletics Nation on Dec 18, 2005 4:57 PM PST reply actions
a downtown ballpark that brings in
Not so mysterious
It's a little hard to follow, since he's filled up the column with so much colorful language and weird allusions.
So is Ratto right? Beats me. But that's what he's trying to say.
No way we ever move to SJ.
what if magowan gets offered ...
by vk on Dec 18, 2005 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
intersting
Oooooooooh
That is a frighteningly logical theory
oouu...
You may be missing
Why not?
In which case, I hope the A's are careful not to give the Giants too much -- for example, as I understand it, the revenues of regional sports network Mid-Atlantic Sports Network (owned by the O's and Nats) are HEAVILY weighted toward the O's -- a concession to get the Nats on TV in the area. This in addition to whatever cash Angelos is getting just for allowing the Nats in the neighborhood.
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Dec 19, 2005 8:29 AM PST up reply actions
"The most likely cause of his pain...
Ratto is definitely what my grandmother used to call too clever by half, making his message nearly incomprehensible at times through his efforts to seem erudite. Translated, though, I think he's on the right track here: the A's San Jose soccer interest fits well with their more general belief that the South Bay is the most fertile Bay Area market for stadium building, particularly when combined with housing+retail development.
Vertigo's Ballpark Blog (which call's Ratto's piece excellent) has been humming along this theme the last few days; lots of different puzzle pieces taken together seem to be pointing to the San Jos-A's of 2010 or so. And the effect of Oakland's impending Mayor race on the current Council politics (plus Raider's related general stadium gunshyness) make it really unlikely that the A's current home town will step up any time soon. There's definitely more to piece together here, but as things stand now I'd bet on San Jose as the next A's home against the entire rest of the field, Oakland included.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Dec 18, 2005 5:09 PM PST reply actions
Since there's no open thread
Wow
I had no idea Chavy was such a freedom-fighter during the offseason. I thought it was Byrnes who spent the offseasons in Latin America.
Chavy in '08!
by rubin sierra on Dec 18, 2005 5:36 PM PST up reply actions
Seems like you understood it just fine
Yeah, I had to read the last paragraph three or four times ... but basically he's just leaving us with the visual of our own Billy, immersing himself in hording up all the under-valued soccer talent out there. Just to give us a chuckle. Call me crazy but I like the challenge of trying to read his pieces. Yeah, he does often lose me, but I feel that's a small price to pay for the enjoyment I get out of the jokes he writes that I do follow.
"You put your
ESPN
by somuchforplanb on Dec 18, 2005 6:00 PM PST reply actions
Sadly, you're right...
Ratso Ratto tattles like a Tweedle-dumb.
Think about it.
If the A's wanted to build a ballpark in San Jose, they wouldn't need Mr. Lewis. There's enough sharks and billionaires down there to pave the dugout in gold. No siree, Ratto.
He's got very little to write about, considering the pigskin news of late. And he knows baseball fans are searching hourly to see what The Great Billy Beane will pull off next. Since Ratto has no news, aside from, okay, yeah, why not put some bucks into the SJ region? It will certainly deliver more A's fans TO Oakland, not away from.
Furthermore, his writing is more disheveled than his thinking. No Pete Dexter is he.
The A's are an Oakland team and will remain an Oakland team and the trades, thus far, shows where the REAL news is, thus far:Oakland's front office (and the owners' pockets) And it's obvious they're minds are focused more on building a WINNING TEAM than a winsome ballpark.
But we shall have both, and both shall be in Oaktown.
by Edwinwinwin on Dec 18, 2005 6:01 PM PST reply actions
If there were ever an appropriate time...
Here's the thing that gets me, though: Is this really all that big of a deal? We know there's a decent chance the A's might move from Oakland, so that's not news. And now Fischer and Wolff are exploring a creative option to get themselves into the South Bay that's so jealously guarded by the Giants. So what? Ratto's last line would seem to imply that that's a bad thing, but he gives no explanation why other than Beane adopting a british accent. All he's done is outline the situation that anyone who had read the press releases probably already knew about. He gives us nothing new, and doesn't give much of an opinion, either. He's merely [licked] his own [popsicle], and is trying to convince us that we should do the same.
by spal on Dec 18, 2005 6:34 PM PST reply actions
The late and much lamented
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Dec 19, 2005 7:16 AM PST up reply actions
Great analysis of Ratto
He would be fine if he was actually clever, as opposed to just thinking he is. All those stupid metaphors - they just seem random sometimes.
What really gets me about Ratto is that the considerable space filled by his column could actually be better served by some real analysis of the issue. Surely there's more to say, some relevant data, precedence by MLS or MLB owners...jeez anything. Instead, a bunch of cutesy, unedited mini-rants.
When will the Chronicle realize that their columnists need to say something beyond what we can hear from the guy sitting at the end of the bar?
funny. my eyes glazed over.
ratto seems lost at times. if there isn't something interesting or traumatic to write about the giants, he often goes willy nilly into speculation and ego dreams. me thinks i smell a tom collins (or five).
what is all lost in this is that these owners have a lot of money. if wolff and co were to buy out rubios fish tacos, ratto would theorize that it meant the a's were doing away with stomper, as we all know pachyderms do not eat sushi. RIGHT?
this is simply a bargain hunt.
just like the a's purchase, wolff and co see a market demand, and a hole to fill. with the quakes leaving SJ, they see a sports market to profit from. plus, with rongonzo's garbage troubles in SJ, nothing is going to move in the near future. why talk sports when you can talk about censuring and criminally convicting a well-seated mayor of one of the richest tax bases in the area?
however, ratto would love to see the end game of a territory rights fight between his beloved giants, and those "spunky" a's. it would give him something to write about without having to down a bucket of trader joes (or is joses in this case?) vodka.
ratto and radnich are one in the same. lots of noise, limited talent, and moronic hullabaloos. (in fact has anyone ever seen them in the same place?)
Are you sure
by NomAd on Dec 19, 2005 9:47 AM PST up reply actions
Sounds to me
Develop a "scan quick" technique
The thing to look for is the "quotes" from parties mentioned in the article.
No quotes, no cred.
I certainly could not get the qist of what he was implying. Implications don't cut it. Ratto simply has a job, like cutting the lawn once a week. He has to produce (a column.)
"There. Done. ... (slap slap)." < note: imaginary, not really quoting Ray Ratto.
This is the man who predicted the A's would not win 60 games. Just look for quotes, move on. The rest certainly is not worth scrutinizing until your head hurts!!!!!
by Ducts on the Pawn on Dec 18, 2005 8:24 PM PST reply actions
Jesus!
Maybe, just maybe, if I were ADHD and if I was off my meds, I'd be able to follow him better. Unfortunately even that would be of little help - his timing is worse than a Ford Pinto with a missing distributor cap.
Indulge me the opportunity to draw a parallel on Ratto's overused sense of humor that seldom delivers: it's like reading a vastly inferior version of Monkeyball who, when posting his zingers, consistently responds to the wrong parent-posts and, at times, in the wrong diaries too.
Official story from A's... formal press release
I believe the key word in the statement is "management". Wolff is stating that, because they know marketing, know player evaluation techniques, know valuation of personnel, it would be a good challenge to the management team presently assembled to take on another entity.
To tie it in like Ratto did to some meandering means to take the team to San Jose is a discredit to Wolff. The man made a detailed plan as to what he wanted to do. It is a plan from a guy loonnnnnnnnnng in the commercial real estate game. He has no reason to lie, as Ratto implies.
by Ducts on the Pawn on Dec 18, 2005 8:43 PM PST reply actions
Ratto...
billy beane IS right
i know it's a slow offseason, but there's got to be other things for us to talk about.
Holy Crap!
by kent1 on Dec 18, 2005 11:52 PM PST reply actions
The fact that an official A's press release
His line about Magowan's salmon shirt was pretty good.
In other news, I just saw a report of a DUI checkpoint outside of the parking lot after the Raider game today, complete with a video shot of a backseat littered with empty cans and bottles. Some might call this shooting fish in a barrel, others entrapment.
by southofcruiseamerica on Dec 18, 2005 11:56 PM PST reply actions
Oh man....
Hey, at least he ain't Plaschke
The A's want to be a part of the new Earthquakes so they have leverage to either to do one of two things:
- Move to San Jose.
- Get Oakland jealous so that city's government can get off its ass and do something about the stadium situation.
by secret ASian man on Dec 19, 2005 1:26 AM PST reply actions
Tylenol, anyone?
by rocksolidrichharden on Dec 19, 2005 1:05 PM PST reply actions
No idea
In my mind, Ratto is always suspect because he has violated my one grammatical cardinal sin: misusing the word "penultimate". He has used the word on more than one occassion to mean "the ultimate ultimate" rather than than its true meaning, which is "next to last". Now that's just sloppy journalism! How hard is it to pick up a dictionary and verify a definition?
The line from Princess Bride is appropo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means".
As for this weekend's column, I gave up and I would suggest you do, too. :)
by Happy Chappy on Dec 19, 2005 4:57 PM PST reply actions
Don't you love it...
It's "apropos," dude. Look it up.
;-)
by billy north hitting the wall on Dec 19, 2005 5:42 PM PST up reply actions
Ratto's main problem is...
Since he can't/doesn't actually do any reporting, nor does the media at large do much of any real reporting on sports business, he doesn't have much more to work with than "where there's smoke there's fire" -- which may be true, but doesn't add much to our understanding.
As for his writing style, it is cheap baroque, like his sweaters. I think he has suffered the classing columnist downfall of starting out unique and funny and then, over the years of cranking it out, eroded into a parody of himself. Kind of like Al Pacino.
by billy north hitting the wall on Dec 19, 2005 5:46 PM PST reply actions
"cheap baroque"
by secret ASian man on Dec 19, 2005 6:52 PM PST up reply actions
ratto a moron
http://cbs.sportsline.com/columns/writers/ratto
I'm sure he wrote his own bio, too...smug jackass...
Here is an article he wrote about Bradley and the A's:
http://cbs.sportsline.com/columns/story/9096422
at the end..."In other words, this could be Ron Artest, or it could be Ron Artest, if you know what we mean, and we think you do."
He just seems to always take shots at the A's for no apparent reason...that bothers me considering the A's keep proving people, including him, wrong
by johnspaz7 on Dec 19, 2005 5:47 PM PST reply actions
I liked this article
say what you will
And everytime I've emailed him after I read his column, he's emailed me back. Generally just a few words, but there's something to be said for someone who: a.) puts his email address out there after every column, inviting everyone to tell him what a nutball he is; and b.) personally responds to those who write him.
Does this guy do drugs...
This is not baroque...it is more like a velvet painting of a bullfighter. And, it does have alot of bull in it.
I'm gonna
Moonraker, ticking bondage. Shaken not stirred...
by Bosnian on Dec 19, 2005 9:07 PM PST reply actions

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