If Sizemore is Out, What Next?
Last year on the first day of throwing, Rich Harden managed to injure himself and miss a good chunk of the season. Today, on his first day in camp Scott Sizemore has managed to injure himself and given the negative sounding reports, it seems that he may miss a good chunk of the season. Reports Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle,
"An hour into the A's first full-squad workout of the spring, they'd already lost a player to an injury.
Starting third baseman Scott Sizemore hurt his left knee during a fielding drill at the Papago Park minor-league complex, and players who were there said there was a popping noise and Sizemore went down hard."
Assuming the worst, unlike other positions where the A's are well-equipped to handle a loss, third base is a position where they're ill-equipped to handle a significant loss of any sort. In that same article Slusser speculated that the prime candidate to replace him at third should he be out for any amount of time is catcher Josh Donaldson. Donaldson, played third base in winter ball in the Dominican Republic posting a .286/.318/.413 slash line with two home runs in 63 at bats for the Leones de Escogido. He also has played 53 games of MiLB ball at third base with his Total Zone Fielding Runs Above Average at four as per Baseball Reference. To me that is interesting and exciting stuff.
I've long liked Donaldson and after a slow start, he put together a decent 2011 at Sacramento - his second straight year at Triple-A mind you - with a .348 wOBA and 95 wRC+ over 503 plate appearances with a .261/.344/.439 slash line seeing no time with the big league club except for a brief playing-time-free stint when Kurt Suzuki was on the paternity list. He has exhibited decent power, posting a .238 ISO in Sacramento in 2010, followed up with a .178 ISO last year in California's capital city. I felt that Donaldson was the favorite to win the backup catcher job this season due to his versatility - though readers will know I wanted him to win it last year as well - and it is exciting to see that it looks like he may finally get a shot, though it could come on the heels of the Athletic that I really felt would have the most breakout season this year going down.
Another interesting player that Slusser mentioned in the article was Wes Timmons, who is a lifelong MiLB player who has perseverance dripping off him like late-July sweat. Timmons, who is two games shy of 1,000 in the minors without an appearance in the show, is the only non-roster infielder in camp with the A's having re-signed an MiLB contract with the club at the end of this season. His .283/.391/.391 slash line makes him an intriguing option if Sizemore is in fact down. I am in absolute adoration of his incredible 1.63 BB/K ratio in his MiLB career and he has spent the majority of his games at third base - 753 of them to be exact. If Sizemore is indeed out, this is a guy everyone has to be rooting for given that he is still fighting at 33 for that first taste of MLB ball.
Slusser also in the article highlights several options outside the organization, firstly former Athletic Miguel Tejada, who had a pretty bad 0.0 WAR campaign with the Giants last year before they finally released him in early September. Despite somehow managing to put up a positive fielding season despite not visually looking particularly fleet of foot, his .253 wOBA and 56 wRC+ did not win him any accolades or fans among the Giant faithful. She also mentions Wes Helms who spent 2011 with the Florida Marlins working his way to a -0.7 WAR season care of a pathetic .191/.276/.236 slash line and anemic .237 wOBA and 41 wRC+ over only 124 plate appearances. He racked up a lot of negative WAR with little time to do it. Finally she mentions Felipe Lopez who put up even fewer WAR at -0.8 WAR, in 153 plate appearances with an even lower .230 wOBA and equally disappointing 41 wRC+ in time split between the Rays and Brewers. None of those players are guys I'd like to see playing for Oakland in 2012, or likely ever (or ever again in the case of Tejada).
The final outside the organization player she mentions is Alberto Callaspo, who given the Angels logjam of first base/designated hitter types, one of whom in Mark Trumbo they are hoping to move the hot corner, makes the Venezuelan expendable. I don't know what it'd take to pry Callaspo away from the Angels and furthermore the A's and Angels have not made a trade that was not later voided since 1999. But Callaspo is owned $3.15M in 2012 and after putting up a career-best 3.6 WAR campaign last year one would have to think he has some more value to the Angels, particularly if the team they are dealing him to will then face nearly 20 times next year regardless of whether or not his spot in the lineup is somewhat redundant. He'd be a nice addition but for the A's to go after him, in my mind at least it'd mean the worst possible news has been received by Sizemore and the front office regarding the severity of this injury.
We will know more about this injury today after Sizemore gets his MRI, but for now the hope really is that he is OK. I expected Sizemore to be the breakout player on the A's today with little pressure to win a spot as he had in Detroit in years past. He put up 1.8 of his 1.9 WAR in Oakland last year, having a good .330 wOBA and 108 wRC+ in the green and gold. Despite being asked to be primarily a third baseman not his natural position, it was visually obvious that he continually improved over the course of the year with his fielding - and though it is subject to any concerns with sample size, and concerns with the utility of UZR/150 over short periods of time, that stat did improve for him at third from -24.8 in limited time at third in Detroit to a -11.7 mark in Oakland. Sizemore is a big loss to this club in numerous ways, but if he is indeed injured and missing a significant chunk of time this season, the battle to replace him could be very interesting. Here's hoping though that no matter how intriguing such a battle might be it isn't one that comes to fruition.
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Within the organization, Donaldson and Rosales would at least share the position until Sizemore returns. Timmons sounds interesting and Melvin sounds intellectually honest enough to give him a long look.
The A`s plethora of outfielders serves them well as they might have their eyes set on someone such as Callaspo but the deal would probably involve some pitching, another position of depth.
My hope is that if they do,make a move, it will be for someone who could project out as a third baseman even if that is not his position now and that he also has third base power from an offensive standpoint.
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Got Adrian Cardenas?
He would have been a better look than any of the stiffs that Slusser mentioned.
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disagree
His performance is highly dependent on a high BABIP, not an extreme mind you but one that would be unlikely to be reproduced at the major league level, and his glove is pretty bad. He had an .886 fielding % at third last season (yes, small sample size alert but that is gawdaweful). He doesn’t draw walks, he doesn’t have much extra base power, and his glove is very suspect. That leaves hitting for average, which in and of itself is good but it does not carry over well to the majors as a skill. He didn’t develop the way we would have hoped after the Blanton trade and I think he was a good guy to try to pass through waivers.
Slegna must die!
by Athletics fan and runner on Feb 26, 2012 8:29 AM PST up reply actions
let me be more clear
A guy who’s sole skill is hitting for average who lacks both the ability to draw walks and extra basepower will rarely have success at the major league level.
Slegna must die!
by Athletics fan and runner on Feb 26, 2012 8:34 AM PST up reply actions
Cardenas can't field 3B
I love rebuilding.
by John of Gaunt on Feb 26, 2012 8:29 AM PST up reply actions
I've seen him enough in person to say this is a fair comparison
There was good reason the cats had him playing a lot of LF
Hopefully, it's just a sprain ...
… In which case Sizemore would only miss 2 – 6 weeks, and speculation about replacement is irrelevant.
But if it’s worse, Donaldson is by far the most logical choice. I’ve seen him play several times at Raley, and he has thoroughly impressed me – great arm, great all around fielding skills, good plate discipline, decent power. And he’s 26, a good age to start breaking out in the bigs.
Injuries suck. But they’re part of sports, and I’m always a silver lining kind of guy. Hopefully, Sizemore’s knee isn’t much of a cloud. But if it is, Josh Donaldson is the silver lining.
by jeff-athletic on Feb 26, 2012 8:08 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions
I hope you are right
I hope that it is a brief injury and Sizemore will be starting in Tokyo next month.
But of the internal options Donaldson strikes me as the best. Timmons would make for a good story though Donaldson as a backup C/3B, and I am sure he could be decent at 1B to, would be very useful even discounting the injury.
Slegna must die!
by Athletics fan and runner on Feb 26, 2012 8:31 AM PST up reply actions
The Indians have two capable third baseman in Hannahan and Chisenhall.
Plus, their outfield is currently as barren as Oakland’s was at the start of the offseason. Oakland has a lot of outfielders. I would love Callaspo but I don’t know what Anaheim would want, and I wouldn’t give up prospects. There’s also Casey McGehee.
If you wanted to get real crazy you could construct a deal built around Seth Smith for Martin Prado.
by NateHST on Feb 26, 2012 8:18 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I'm hoping that it isn't significant and internal options win out.
Perhaps Melvin could give Donaldson the backup C position and platoon him with Stephen Parker or something. Or Sogard, though his L/R split last season was nonexistent.
That is an interesting point
This could be an opp for Parker to really impress and snag a spot in spring training. Every year someone comes out of nowhere to grab that spot from off the 40-man.
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Rockies tried to trade Smith for Prado
But Braves wanted more (Smith and a good prospect). I don’t think they would do that trade with the A’s either. My main trade targets would be Matt Dominguez and Matt Carpenter, both guys are hopelessly blocked right now, assuming Sizemore is lost for most of the year.
I love rebuilding.
by John of Gaunt on Feb 26, 2012 8:32 AM PST up reply actions
NEEDS MOAR MATT CARPENTER!
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by Nico on Feb 26, 2012 9:35 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Instead, he did with KC
He can opt out if not in the majors by May 1st
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Yes, Green!
No wait, Milone! Wait, Norris! Green! Nor—
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Good idea
Some liquor might steady his defense.
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I can't wait to see him after the bottom of the fifth.
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by Nico on Feb 26, 2012 10:19 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
No arm for 3B?
Wondered why Green was sent out to CF when 3B was obviously the fast rack to majors…
by Slip n Slide on Feb 26, 2012 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
Actually, CF was the fast track when they made the switch,
because the A’s were set to lose everybody but Ryan Sweeney. He’s really going to have to mash to grab an MLB spot sometime this year.
I believe that his problem at SS was his footwork
In which case 3rd wouldn’t be a viable option.
I'm pretty sure most of his errors stemmed from throwing issues.
I was always under the impression that his footwork, hands, and range were all average or better.
I've heard problems with footwork too
(don’t recall exactly where, but it sticks in my mind).
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the thing is
his throwing issues stemmed from his footwork on the routine plays, his footwork/throws on sharp hits was apparently better
Snoochies
callaspo would be the best option
i loved his game last year, especially his short stint with KC. Anaheim’s bullpen could use a little help…..
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OT
But any draft followers like myself might like to know that Victor Roache broke his wrist and likely won’t play this year. Maybe he’ll fall out of the top 2 rounds and be a good value pick in day 2.
We could put him up at a motel.
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by Nico on Feb 26, 2012 12:13 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah i saw that
most likely he falls so far that he doesn’t sign and builds his value up next year
Snoochies
Probably
He’d still be a fun pick though. I’m intrigued by the possibility of:
11 – Piscotty
34 – Diekroeger
47 – Fontana
60 – Roache
Beane said something about the budget being more than 3x what it was last year
when it was around $3M. So let’s say it’s $10M this year.
Pick 11 is worth around $2.5M
Pick 34 is worth around $1.0M
Pick 47 is worth around $0.75M
So that’s around $4.25M on the first 3. You can probably afford to dole out $1.5-$2 to a couple of guys. If Roache is still there in the 3rd round, that’s a steal.
Isn't the new funky draft pool system in place this year?
I still don’t really know what it means, but I know that suggested slot values are a lot more important than they’ve ever been in the past.
According to BA, the A's have a little under $8.5M to spend in the first ten rounds.
So yeah, ~$10M sounds reasonable. Link. Though I understand that the penalties for going over that amount are fairly harsh. Also worth noting from that link is that the Angels only have $1,645,000 to spend in the first ten rounds.
the a's, for whatever reason, love to draft college seniors
therefore they’ll probably have a little more to spend on their first bunch of picks
Snoochies
diekroeger
a) ugly swing
b) probably won’t be around for that pick, i’d rather, if he’s still around, they use it on jankowski or someone like mooneyham, who’s a hard thrower and has put up awesome k rates so far( also, the a’s have almost no quality lefties in their system)
i would love fontana as our 47th pick, or maybe if he even makes it to the 2nd round (he has a line of .238/.333/.333 so far)
If chris beck, or kyle zimmer (who’s stock has dramatically risen the last two weeks) are available at #11 unless piscotty can get hot again, since he’s kinda slumped this weekend.
Snoochies
I REALLY want Piscotty at 11
The A’s almost exclusively go college in the first, so this year the number of possibilities is fairly limited given the lack of college talent (taking a hit still with the Roache injury).
Piscotty, Beck, and Zimmer are all possibilities there.
I would love to get beck or zimmer
having a rotation that (assuming they pan out) includes #1/#2 types parker, cole, peacock, gray, beck/zimmer in a few years would definitely be something to look forward to.
i also wanna see what vollmuth can do in his first season as a 3rd baseman in high-A, and see if parker can improve his defense and power this year before reaching with a draft of piscotty.
what the a’s really need are lefty pitching prospects, i honestly can’t think of any good ones they have right now.
Snoochies
The list of possibilities at 11 is pretty short
which is what makes this draft interesting to me. Given the lack of college talent, and excluding sure-fire top 10 guys like Appel, the list probably looks like this:
Piscotty
Beck
Zimmer
Gausman
Wacha
Barrett
Christian Walker (Brett Wallace clone)
Maybe Zunino or Marrero will have a Grant Green style fall out of the top 10, but that’s unlikely. If they want a hitter, Piscotty is probably the best bet. If they want a pitcher, I’d bet on Beck, Zimmer, or Gausman if he falls.
hence why
i named mooneyham as a draft choice, he’s a little wild, but he’s got great stuff this year apparently
Snoochies
Oh God, is that Bill Mooneyham's kid?
That’s depressing on a whole host of levels.
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EEEWWWW!!!!!!!!
“A little wild” seems to run in the family.
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For those of us who endured Bill Mooneyham's control when we were kids,
it’s a depressing PTSD experience. Bill couldn’t find home plate with yahoo maps. Actually, that’s a bad analogy in that I’m currently trying to turn left on Eleventeenth Ave. and still can’t find it.
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It was..
Well, it was…
No, I’m not ready to talk about it yet.
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That whole pitching staff...
Tim Birtsas and his 5.8 BB/9 was bad enough in 1985. Then in 1986 we got Eric Plunk (7.6 BB/9 in 120 IP) Jose Rijo (5 BB/9 in 193 IP) and Bill Mooneyham (6.1 BB/9 in 99 IP).
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You're leaving Bill Krueger...
…completely out of this discussion? WHY??
And when you decide you’ve had enough of that, bring Jeff Kaiser, Steve Kiefer or Dave Von Ohlen outta the pen. That’ll make it better.
Because he had average control except for 1984!
I actually kind of liked Krueger. He got hurt, which messed up his development. He BB’d way too many in 1984 (5.5 BB/9) but got that down to 4.1 in 1985.
If we’re talking A’s lefties walking the ballpark in the 1980s, the discussion begins with Tim Conroy, who, in a classic case of pitching ineptitude, followed up an 8-inning, 2 BB, 5 K one-hitter with a game in which he started the 1st inning by throwing 1 strike to the first 3 hitters, walking the bases loaded, and getting pulled after throwing a ball or two (I can’t remember) to the cleanup hitter.
Jeff Kaiser might have been the single least effective pitcher I ever saw for the A’s.
16.2 IP
25 H
6 HR
20 BB
10 Ks
With his stuff, though, I understand why he nibbled.
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45 baserunners in 16.2 IP...
Maybe the guy was just really unlucky!
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Like Johnny Guzman?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Well not THAT unlucky.
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Does anyone recall how many lottery picks there are in the first round?
For some reason 6 rings a bell.
Hmm missed that part
It’s odd that they can’t be traded in the offseason. There’s very few deals that would happen by the deadline that I would be willing to do with a first round pick.
The picks aren't all that great
They take place after the compensation picks, so you’re looking at a roughly 50/50 shot at one pick in the 50-60 range.
Those are still good picks
Worth more than the much of the fodder that gets traded midseason. Of the July trades where the “buying” team would be one of the 13 teams who could get the picks, the only trades I would throw in those picks for were Ubaldo Jimenez and maybe in the cluster@%#$ trade for Edwin Jackson. But then again, I’ve been shocked by GM moves many times before.
He clearly has a better health plan than I do.
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to say nothing of his car insurance rates
FIRE ILIKEIKE
by ilikeike on Feb 26, 2012 3:03 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
G$ADJ#KF%#@LOPF!!!
;-(
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Barton
I am surprised this has not been talked about before.
Should have I left that one for Nico?
Slegna must die!
by Athletics fan and runner on Feb 26, 2012 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
Hey, we had a good run of nearly an hour.
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Better than Harden's
FIRST THROW OF THE SPRING. Maybe next year it’ll be day two before someone goes down!
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Or Worse
Considering that it’s the A’s, we could see some sorta freak accident; maybe someone will fall down coming out of the bus and break his leg.
by Sean Fortuna on Feb 27, 2012 9:46 AM PST up reply actions
Well, Tommy Hanson blew out a tire before the first workout, so I guess that trumps Sizemore.
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wasn't that the first day of full camp.
the pitcher’s had been there for a couple of weeks. not that it matters much. same effect
by heartstopper on Feb 28, 2012 8:39 PM PST up reply actions
Can we have I don't know play 3rd?
Or Barton? I don’t know would be a better choice.
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by A'sfansince1970 on Feb 26, 2012 10:59 PM PST via mobile reply actions
oh noes, sizemore hurt? what WILL we do?
Gee, I’ll bet it’s going to be rough trying to find a replacement for a .230-hitting, no power, no speed, low obp, poor fielding, who is in his “prime” (such as it is). I think the challenge we be to find a replacement that is not better, but somehow I think the Beane is up to that challenge.
Whoa there....
….Way off on Scotty. He has power, and his fielding just got better and better as he acclimated to the position. have no doubt THIS IS a tough loss for us. I almost wonder if you are mistaking him for someone else. It’s funny, his aquisition was so far off the radar most A’s fans don’t know, that Tiger fans were really ticked off that he got dealt to us. especially considering what they got in return. This would have been (still hopefully could be) his 1st full season in the bigs. Scotty has upside, barring being slowed down by this, if it IS severe, I think you will soon see that.
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You are blatantly wrong
.230 hitter? In 93 games with the A’s he hit .249 and if I know anything about which number is bigger than the other number, you’re wrong. No power? In those 93 games he hit 11 HR which, after Willingham, was the most on the team during that stretch. Again, you’re wrong. Low OBP!? Last year his OBP was .345 which is by far the highest among returning players and only Sweeney had a higher OBP last season and his was .346. Watch some games, read some stats, have an opinion. Until then you’re just farting out your mouth.
by YellowMelonCust on Feb 28, 2012 6:42 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Can't wait for your second comment ever.
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{grabs a bag of popcorn}
Hey, stm! Can you bring over some BEER?
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It'll Probably Be A Platoon
Rosales will play a bit, Donaldson will play a bit. We may even see appearance by Tolleson or Sogard at third. It really depends on how serious the injury is.
I heard that when Sizemore was asked about the injury (because he just fell down in pain) that he heard a “pop” and felt a pop in his leg.
Didn't we cut Tolleson last year?
Or trade him or something? Is he back? I liked him.
Tolleson was picked up off waivers ealier this offseason.
I think Sean was referring to Wes Timmons
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Tolleson Too?
I knew Cardenas was, by Chicago.
But yeah, Timmons is an option too.
by Sean Fortuna on Feb 28, 2012 8:10 AM PST up reply actions
Sorry, we traded Tolleson to SD for ptbnl last May.
Right after we acquired Sizemore.
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Torn ACL Done for season.
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
I think a trade for Jack Hannahan is in order
I'm not impressed by your performance......GSP
For me it's Timmon's
When you look at a guy who has the numbers Timmons has- above 400 obp the last 3 years, about double walks to strike outs- which ,with not much power, ( although even that has gone up the past few years) means he has incredible plate discipline, always makes contact, and gets on base. ( Every person who saw Moneyball can understand that right?)He also has a higher 3b fielding % then Eric Chavez, and can play every infield postion and play them well above average. What am I missing here? Oh ..and he seems to be a great character guy and maybe that can help balance out the team with Manny coming in after 50 games.





























