Take The Long View and You Understand "The Plan"
This is an odd time to be a baseball fan. We learn about player signings mere hours after the contract is inked. On trade deadline day, it might be just minutes after teams shake hands that the internet is notified of the deal. As fans, we of course want to read critical analysis of the ramifications of these baseball dealings. Sometimes instant analysis can be correct (ex. Player X was injured and the team signed Player Y as a replacement). But some moves require deeper analysis. One must take step back to look at the bigger picture.
For the Athletics this offseason, it is imperative that we zoom out from the day-to-day moves of the team and look at the larger scenario. Look at the offseason as a whole. Step back further and look at the plan for the next few years. Then step back again and look at where this franchise has come from and where it wants to go. By doing so we can find reasonable answers to some of the questions surrounding this team.
The first thing to do is go back over the recent history of the A's and gain some needed context. Please don't fall asleep during the history lesson. Learning about the past will teach you about the future.
2004-2005 offseason
The first critical event in the collapse of the Big Three A's dynasty occurred in the 2004 off-season, when Billy Beane shocked the world and traded away 2/3 of said Big Three. Now for most teams this would immediately signal the beginning of a full-scale rebuild, but not the A's.
2005
Rather than commit to a fire-sale, the A's kept some talent around. Ellis, Chavez, and Zito formed the core of a decent team. Combined with the emergence of Dan Haren (a key piece of the Mark Mulder trade) and Nick Swisher this A's squad won 88 games, only three fewer than 2004's Big Three powered 91 win team.
2006
Here's something to remember. In what would be our best playoff year one of our best pitchers, Zito, would not be traded before leaving for free agency. Beane actually kept a guy around for a title run. This was also a weirdly lucky year. We won 93 games, but the Pythagorean record was only 85-77. Frank Thomas was an amazing acquisition. But we maybe forget just how bad some chunks of that lineup were. Kotsay and Crosby severely declined compared to '05, but the play of Jay Payton and Marco Scutaro filled in those lineup holes admirably (acceptable, not great numbers). The pitching was all Haren and Zito, as at the back end Blanton, Loaiza, and Saarloos were all atrocious.
2007
The year of the walking wounded. The year started with promise. Then Chavez went down. And Harden. And Kotsay. And Piazza (aging veteran #2). The payroll spiked to an all-time high of just under $80 million and we couldn't afford any notable free agents other than Piazza. The season ended in disaster.
2007-2008 offseason
Beane called for a true rebuild. Swisher, Haren, Kotsay, and Scutaro were all traded. Payroll was slashed down to $50 million.
2008
In an odd turn of events, the A's caught fire to start the season. On July 8th we were just 5 games out of first place and 5 games out of the Wild Card. Huge debate on whether to contend or sell. We sold, shipping out Harden, Blanton, and Gaudin at the deadline. We went on to have the league-worst offense and tanked the second half. Lots of what-if scenarios surrounding this squad, but mostly just a bad team.
2009
The "contending rebuild" experiment year. Beane shocks the world and trades for Matt Holiday. Also brought in are veterans Orlando Cabrera, Adam Kennedy, Nomar Garciaparra, and Jason Giambi (oldest overall roster in years). The new Big Three make their debuts (Anderson, Cahill, Gonzalez). We like to remember the A's as all pitch/no hit, but that wasn't quite the case. A's hitters generated 18 WAR, bad but not atrocious. It was the young starting pitching that equally doomed the season. Only Anderson and Braden were effective, the other starters all struggled. Holiday is the only big deadline trade.
2010
Now we're in true era of all pitch/no hit. The young starters keep developing and the A's lead in the American League in ERA. They carry the team to a .500 finish. Hitting is awful (team HR leader: Kouzmanoff with 16). Free agent hitters aren't signing in Oakland, so Beane takes a flyer on Ben Sheets (fail).
2010-2011 offseason
The Chavez contract expires! Beane actually pursues a top free agent hitter (Beltre) but fails. Winds up bringing in some low risk guys: Matsui, Willingham, DeJesus and blows the rest of the piggy bank on relief pitching.
2011
The offense has a historically bad year, generating just 11 total WAR. Almost everyone has career-worst years in the lineup. Pitching is a tad worse than 2010 and we have the worst season since 1998.
2011-2012 offseason
It's Hudson/Mulder 2.0 as Gonzalez and Cahill are both moved for prospects. Also shipped out is prized reliever Bailey. However, it's again not a total fire sale. The A's sign a slew of veteran outfield talent and bring back breakout star Brandon McCarthy.
2012
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Okay, enough painful recollection for you? With these past seasons in mind, let's try and answer some pressing questions about this team:
#1) WHY AREN'T WE ALREADY A GOOD TEAM AGAIN?
A fact you should all keep firmly mind is that the upcoming season will be just the 5th year since the first true dismantling of the fantastic 2000's teams. We've only been rebuilding for four years. It's been five losing seasons (well, it was an 81-81 record in 2010, technically not a losing season) thanks to the collapse in 2007, but the rebuild didn't start until the '07-'08 offseason. On very little payroll. Leaving aside teams who can buy their way back to contention (cough Yankees cough) it's very rare that a team can go from contending to rebuild to contending in less than five years. So regardless of anything else, 2012 would be the absolute earliest this team would be expected to compete.
#2) WHY CAN'T WE DEVELOP ANY HITTING TALENT?
This is a primary complaint among A's fans. The team that used to boast multiple MVPs suddenly can't find a 20 HR hitter. There are a couple factors that have led to the power outage in Oakland. First, in the middle of the 2000s we started trading away some top hitting talent. We gave up Mark Teahen at the 2004 trade deadline for closer Octavio Dotel and Andre Ethier for Milton Bradley in '05-'06 offseason. Then of course Nick Swisher was traded as part of the big '07-'08 offseason rebuild. People also sometimes forget to count Carlos Gonzalez as an A's-developed product, though he was in fact a trade acquisition and also awful in is limited time in green and gold. So we've had a few good hitters and traded them away. Delving deeper, let's look at the three possible ways to acquire new talent and see how the A's have fared of late:
A) Draft Picks
Why don't we have more homegrown talent? Lack of top draft picks. Here's the thing about going on an eight year run of 87+ wins per year (1999-2006). The lack of high draft picks really depletes the farm system. There have been all sorts of studies on where top talent is drafted from. Without getting into specific draft slots, one truth is that the top half or so of the first round is where you find a large proportion of MLB All-Stars.
There's this perception that the A's can only develop pitchers, not hitters. That's partially true, but doesn't tell the whole story. In terms of drafted talent, since our last high first round pick in 1999, I count four average or better starting pitchers drafted. Blanton and Cahill were both drafted late first/early second round. Dallas Braden was a neat return on a 24th round pick. Rich Harden was an amazing find, a 17th round pick in 2000 turned injury prone stud. But during that same timeframe, the A's were also busy drafting and developing the hitting crop of Swisher, Ethier, Suzuki, and Pennington. The A's found some decent major leaguers on both sides of the ball during this time. But without top 15 1st round picks, they weren't finding All-Stars.
Speaking of top picks, starting in 2008 Oakland started drafting in the #10-#20 overall range. So far, lots of position players and no busts:
2008 (12): Jermile Weeks: average or better MLB 2B?
2009 (13): Grant Green: Somewhere around #100 best prospect in baseball
2010 (10): Michael Choice: Often ranked in top 50 best prospects in baseball
2011 (18): Sonny Gray: Ranked somewhere between top 50 and top 100 best prospect in baseball
It's been hitter, hitter, hitter, pitcher. Lineup help is on the way!
B) Free Agents
We're a small market team. That's a narrative that has become so magnified it's about the only national identity the A's have. Moneyball the book and movie had something to do with that. Stepping away from national fluff pieces and best-selling novels, there's some interesting twists in Oakland's free agent tale that don't fit the narrative.
During the early 2000s run the A's used their money to go after hitting talent just as aggressively as pitching. We were very, very close to inking Jason Giambi to a long-term contract before the Yankees stole him away (a painful moment in A's fandom). Then Beane finally bit the bullet and committed to a homegrown star, and it was indeed a slugger: Eric Chavez. And from 2004-2006 it was great. Yeah, his bat faded some, but Chavez was our productive free agent gold glove stud. Then the injuries hit L.
Chavez was the last major free agent acquisition the A's made. Team policy was to never again dole out a long term, $10 million or more per year contract that could potentially hamstring the franchise. So the cream of the crop free agent talent was forevermore off-limits.
The other option was players looking for shorter-term contracts. Some were trying to rebuild their value. The Coliseum, being a pitcher's park, was not the place to pad stats. So those players almost never signed with us (cough Adrian Beltre cough). More approachable were veterans looking for one more shot in the Bigs. They usually commanded $5 - $10 million a year or even less, and usually on just a one year contract. These free agents the A's liked. More affordable, no commitments. We've actually spent far more money in recent years on free agent hitters than free agent pitching. It's just not been very good hitting for the most part.
C) Trades
Now we get to the real action for Oakland. Blockbuster trades are a hallmark of the Billy Beane Athletics. And Beane doesn't trade for A-prospect hitters. Almost every major deal since the Big Three breakup has centered on a pitching prospect. Below are some of the biggest trades since the '04-'05 offseason. Of the players received, the names in bold were the key (most promising prospect) acquisition from the trade at the time.
2004-2005 offseason
- Traded Mark Mulder to the St. Louis Cardinals. Received Daric Barton, Kiko Calero and Dan Haren.
- Traded Tim Hudson to the Atlanta Braves. Received Juan Cruz, Dan Meyer and Charles Thomas.
2007-2008 offseason
- Traded Dan Haren and Connor Robertson to the Arizona Diamondbacks. Received Brett Anderson, Chris Carter, Aaron Cunningham, Dana Eveland, Carlos Gonzalez and Greg Smith.
- Traded Nick Swisher to the Chicago White Sox. Received Fautino De Los Santos, Gio Gonzalez and Ryan Sweeney.
2008 trade deadline
- Traded Chad Gaudin and Rich Harden to the Chicago Cubs. Received Josh Donaldson, Sean Gallagher, Matt Murton and Eric Patterson.
- Traded Joe Blanton to the Philadelphia Phillies. Received Adrian Cardenas, Matt Spencer, and Josh Outman.
2008-2009 offseason
- Traded Carlos Gonzalez, Greg Smith and Huston Street to the Colorado Rockies. Received Matt Holliday.
2009 trade deadline
- Traded Matt Holliday to the St. Louis Cardinals. Received Shane Peterson, Clayton Mortensen and Brett Wallace.
2009-2010 offseason:
- Traded Brett Wallace to the Toronto Blue Jays. Received Michael Taylor.
2011-2012 offseason
- Traded Craig Breslow, Trevor Cahill and cash to the Arizona Diamondbacks. Received Ryan Cook, Collin Cowgill and Jarrod Parker.
- Traded Robert Gilliam and Gio Gonzalez to the Washington Nationals. Received A.J. Cole, Derek Norris, Tom Milone and Brad Peacock.
In Summary
Of the major deals, it terms of top prospects we received:
Pitchers (8):
Dan Haren, Dan Meyer, Brett Anderson, Fautino De Los Santos, Gio Gonzalez, Sean Gallagher, Jarrod Parker, A.J. Cole
Position Players (3):
Carlos Gonzalez, Adrian Cardenas, Brett Wallace/Michael Taylor (Wallace traded straight up for Taylor, so I'm counting that as one prospect overall)
That right there explains exactly how we came to have the league's best ERA in 2010. A singular focus on acquiring pitching prospects.
#3: ARE WE RE-BUILDING?
Yes we are rebuilding, but it's not the usual MLB style of destroy everything and start from scratch. We've actually been through three rebuilds in the recent past. We partially rebuilt in the 2004-2005 offseason and were competitive in '05, '06, and '07. We partially rebuilt in the '07-'08 offseason. In 2008 we stayed dormant and tried to compete (without fully committing to competing) in 2009, 2010, and 2011. Now we're rebuilding again by rebuilding this offseason. We're also again trying a partial competing strategy without going full-bore competitive for 2012.
Every year, we also almost always gain a few wins because Beane is the absolute master of the something for nothing trade. Eking out a 0.5 WAR edge in every small move. We do this regardless of whether we're competitive or not. These moves don't build playoff teams, but its part of what nudges us from a sub-70 win team to a 75-80 win squad every year.
Here are some of the smaller trades since 2007 we've made that improved the club while giving away almost nothing of value. Note that these moves almost always plug a hole in the bullpen or fill a much-needed fielding spot.
- Traded Jason Kendall and cash to the Chicago Cubs. Received Jerry Blevins and Rob Bowen.
- Traded Mark Kotsay to the Atlanta Braves. Received Jamie Richmond (minors) and Joey Devine.
- Traded Richie Robnett (minors) and Justin Sellers to the Chicago Cubs. Received Michael Wuertz.
- Traded a player to be named later to the Tampa Bay Rays. Received Adam Kennedy. The Oakland Athletics sent Joe Dillon (May 9, 2009) to the Tampa Bay Rays to complete the trade.
- Traded a player to be named later, Craig Italiano (minors) and Ryan Webb to the San Diego Padres. Received Scott Hairston. The Oakland Athletics sent Sean Gallagher (July 28, 2009) to the San Diego Padres to complete the trade.
- Traded Aaron Cunningham and Scott Hairston to the San Diego Padres. Received Kevin Kouzmanoff and Eric Sogard.
- Traded Aaron Miles and a player to be named to the Cincinnati Reds. Received Adam Rosales and Willy Taveras.
- Traded Sam Demel to the Arizona Diamondbacks. Received Conor Jackson and cash.
- Traded Justin Marks (minors) and Vin Mazzaro to the Kansas City Royals. Received David DeJesus.
- Traded Corey Brown and Henry Rodriguez to the Washington Nationals. Received Josh Willingham.
- Traded David Purcey to the Detroit Tigers. Received Scott Sizemore.
- Traded Brad Ziegler to the Arizona Diamondbacks. Received Brandon Allen and Jordan Norberto.
- Traded Ethan Hollingsworth (minors) to the Kansas City Royals. Received Kila Ka'aihue.
- Traded Guillermo Moscoso and Josh Outman to the Colorado Rockies. Received Seth Smith.
#4 JUST WHAT IS OUR CURRENT TEAM BUILDING STRATEGY?
After looking closely at the historical context, I find that while season-to-season moves are perplexing, there's been a very clear pattern since the 2004-2005 offseason. It's really not that complex. We've been doing the same thing for the last eight years:
Trade prime talent before they walk for free agency. Always trade top talent for the best young starting pitching you can find. Fill in the offense using any resource that doesn't touch the pitching pipeline. Draft mostly hitting prospects. Trade positional prospects for positional MLB talent (Ethier for Bradley, Gonzalez for Holiday). Never risk the big free agent contract (exception: Chavez). Sign aging veterans (Thomas, Piazza, Sweeney, Matsui, ect.). Trade spare parts for patchwork lineup fixes. See if enough cobbled together marginal hitting talent can support the nearly continuous pitching dominance. We've done it in the past; we're doing it again this year.
I'm guessing the hope is the young pitching contributes right away. I believe the plan, at least in part, is the hope that Jarrod Parker is the next coming of Dan Haren. Imagine Parker and Peacock both contributing, and even dominating this year. If that happened, you'd sure want at least a semblance of an offense to avoid a repeat of 2010, right? So Beane did what he always does, cobbled together an offense that approaches league average, at least on paper.
I predict Parker, Peacock and Cole are brought to the Show sooner rather than later. Along with Anderson, they will probably form yet another "Big Three". If one of the hitting prospects turns into the next coming of Swisher, we may well make a title run this year or next, a la 2006. Maybe the hitting prospects don't pan, and it's not until Green and Choice emerge that we finally turn around the hitting fortunes. At that point, Anderson has probably been flipped for yet another future pitching star and Milone has been traded to fill the gap at catcher. That is Beane's ultimate strategy. Endless top notch pitching prospects and the prayer that a low-risk hitting move pays a huge reward.
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Argh, could use some formatting
The above came out as quite the wall of text.
If any kind editor soul would like to use fancy editing tools to make this post more readable please have at. Or just suggest a tip or two?
It's not that bad, but perhaps you could bold/underline/italicize the headings (as you prefer).
by Billy Frijoles on Feb 21, 2012 6:08 PM PST up reply actions
also maybe a bullet point list when you list out a bunch of trades.
by Billy Frijoles on Feb 21, 2012 6:20 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks for the suggestions
Made an all-formatting edit. Looks like in went a bit screwy but it overall more readable.
Do you know you can edit a post after it's published?
You should be able to produce whatever formatting you were going for. Great post, btw!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Thanks for the tip
Was indeed aware of the edit function, just made some changes!
Formatting
All of your trade cites are in <PRE> formatting. Not sure what you entered to get that, but that’s the result. With PRE you have to enter your own line returns, otherwise it just runs out beyond the margin and disappears. That’s what’s happening here. (It’s far worse for those not using the wide column setting.)
You need to either add line ends, or better change them to the blockquote style.
Difference of opinion among my community is a sign of the bounty of God.
Great summary...
I think you pretty much at least found a solid trend and a logic to his moves. I’m curious, what’s your opinion of the strategy? You acknowledge that Oakland has the “small market” constraints, but do you think that there is a better way to approach managing the club?
One strategy I've advocated
is that taking on the mammoth contract is sometimes just worth the risk. I’ll point to the singing of Chavez as one of Beane’s better moves (for a take on that subject, here’s a nice Fangraphs piece).
There are an awful lot of stupid contracts floating around baseball. Often teams get wool pulled over their eyes and absolutely overspend (Jayson Werth for example). But at some point you have to acknowledge that it’s very unlikely to have three or four 5-WAR talent players come up concurrently through the farm system. Picking up one such player up through free agency is good business.
When the right guy comes along, you break the bank for him. A good recent example is Matt Holliday. Unless you believed he was a Coors myth, it was apparent that the guy was an elite slugger and well worth an investment. Contrast that with say, Carlos Lee. Another slugger, but one who lacked plate discipline and was also atrocious in the field. The Astros payed big for Lee in 2006 and never saw a 5 WAR season.
That is a good point. Basically Beane is gambling in a lot of places.
Why be so gun-shy in the free agent market?
Of course, it takes 2 to tango and we know how free agents have treated oakland.
by Billy Frijoles on Feb 22, 2012 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
I used to think that couldn't possibly be true
It seems so rare that players take the lesser offer on the table. Then the whole Beltre debacle (well, two debacles) happened. I guess I shouldn’t be too shocked, but it’s a punch in the gut as a fan when a player turns down the best offer on the table ‘caus they don’t like the organization you root for.
The one exception: If it’s a guy looking to pad stats for a year to rebuild his value, then I can understand why the Coliseum is not the ideal place to do so.
I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often
with the big-money stars. Once you’re past $20 million or so, it seems like the next million doesn’t have much effect on your quality of life, whereas where you have to go to work every day still does.
Difference of opinion among my community is a sign of the bounty of God.
To be fair, the A's haven't had the best offer in most cases
Beltre got a larger contract than we offered and in a state with no state taxes. Even when he went to Boston it was more per year than we offered and his strategy of rebuilding value on a one year deal was a good one. I think Furcal ended up signing for a similar amount to what we offered.
Berkman rejected 2/16 from us to take 1/8 from the Cardinals and then re-signed for something like 1/12 this year so that worked out for him.
While we have had the best offer on the table at times, we eventually have gotten outbid or matched. So while I agree we are not a preferred destination, I think the money we are able to pay is a bigger factor than that in the end.
I should add that while I was pro-Beltre, I don’t think we should have matched what Texas paid (or beat the offer since Texas was probably higher on his list). His stats the last two years were driven by his home parks and he would have put up Seattle-type numbers with us. Those numbers were worth $60-$70MM in my estimation if we were planning on contending. He ended up getting $90MM. Imagine if we had the contract now? With Anderson and Braden going down and Cahill’s lack of development, I think we would be rebuilding regardless and having Beltre’s contract and .775 home OPS wouldn’t be helpful in that process.
Interesting piece
Very thorough…you said it all!
Feel free to visit my blog focused on the future A’s down on the farm: http://athleticsfarm.com
Thanks
It was fun going back through the past five years and approaching it with a more critical, less emotional eye. Something I had never done before in one sitting and it turned out to be a great thought experiment. Also, looking back on the ‘99-’06 teams is always a good time.
That's it?
I thought you were actually going to say something…Actually you did a fantastic job. It’s hard to be patient with this team, but hey Beane is signed through 2019. If he aint goin, neither am I.
"I've been accused of using too many words...I suppose that's like accusing Mozart of using too many notes." Bill King
Repeat after me:
At least I’m not a fan of the Pirates.
At least I’m not a fan of the Pirates.
At least I’m not a fan of the Pirates.
Black and Gold vs Forest Green and Gold
If you are color blind our team’s colors are pretty much the same as Pittsburgh’s.
Now if you are dyslexic, what’s the difference between an “A” and “P”?
We will never be known as the west coast version of the Pirates.
"I've been accused of using too many words...I suppose that's like accusing Mozart of using too many notes." Bill King
n. cruz and j. lehr trade?
for ginter, the next coming of jeff kent if i remember correctly.
by stabbin_mcadams on Feb 21, 2012 10:46 PM PST via Android app reply actions
Good addition
I skipped over that one in part because I couldn’t recollect or figure out from googling what the motivations at the time were for each team. Can’t recall how good a prospect Cruz was supposed to be. Like Carlos Pena, he was a guy who bounced around for years before blooming late into stardom.
But you’re right, it does fit that general mold of positional prospect for positional MLB talent. From the 2004 offseason.
injury to ellis
crosby smashed into ellis iirc
by stabbin_mcadams on Feb 21, 2012 10:59 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Oh yeah, that's correct
I forgot there was another thing we could blame Crosby for. If you want to stretch it a bit further, you could even say Crosby cost us that chance to maybe develop Nelson Cruz ourselves.
as if i need more reasons
to hate crosby
by stabbin_mcadams on Feb 21, 2012 11:18 PM PST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
another one you forgot to mention
was drafting Travis Buck, which made Ethier expendable at the time. Man, it is so depressing seeing the kind of hitting talent that left. Cruz, Ethier, Swisher, Cargo…that’s an everyday outfield and 1st baseman. Hopefully the A’s can find the right mix of position players to make a nice run at an AL West crown again.
by stabbin_mcadams on Feb 21, 2012 11:17 PM PST via Android app reply actions
I swear I remember reading somewhere
Beane saying something to the effect of “Anything can happen in baseball and we just want to be positioned to take advantage of that”
If you take a look at that ‘06 team, you said the pythagorean record was 85-77 but we won 93 games? 8 wins is a huge difference! I truly believe that given the restraints on him, Beane is consistently trying to build a mid 80’s win team that might shock the baseball world with a few career years shooting the team into contention.
Not to mention all the recent World Series Victories by teams that were not the best/were lucky, Marlins ‘03, Cardinals ’06, Giants ’10, Cardinals ’11. To me, that’s why Beane won’t just throw in the towel, because if the ’06 Cardinals can win the World Series with 83 wins, then anything can happen.
Did you ever hear of the the Seattle Seven? ... that was me. And six other guys
A fair enough point
I wonder how much of an influence that ‘06 team had on future plans. It really was a remarkable turnaround for the A’s. Who trades two-thirds of the rotation core and then goes to the playoffs in two of the next three years?
I think you have a good point, Beane does seem to want to remain competitive year after year. But what’s your take on 2008, when we traded away Harden and Blanton while just 5 games out of first place? Clearly Beane isn’t just a blind idealist clinging to hope and fortune.
That's a good question
Maybe Beane & Co. saw that the success the ‘08 team was having was unsustainable (he did ship out Greg Smith after the season, and Eveland didn’t really pitch for the A’s again after that year), and decided to get max value out of Harden before he broke, as he was wont to do. Then if you’re shipping out Harden, may as well do Blanton too? I don’t know, just speculation. The offense was pretty bad that year.
Did you ever hear of the the Seattle Seven? ... that was me. And six other guys
Two small quibbles about an otherwise awesome post:
Grant Green: Somewhere around #100 best prospect in baseball
Really? Does anyone respectable actually list Green in their top 100? Because if so, they’re crazy.
It’s been five losing seasons thanks to the collapse in 2007
This gets repeated a lot, but it’s false. 2010 was not a losing season.
Difference of opinion among my community is a sign of the bounty of God.
2010 was also not a winning season
But, yeah, technically it wasn’t a losing one. That was the year of the eternally .500 team.
As for Grant Green, I meant it when I said “about 100”. Meaning the very bottom of the top 100. Here’s a link to a summary of several rankings:
http://www.scoutingbook.com/prospects/matrix-by-sb
Green is listed on 4 of 8 sites, at positions 98, 47, 100, and 94. So, lots of crazy out there?
Yes, lots of crazy.
Especially the #47!
Difference of opinion among my community is a sign of the bounty of God.
I Dig the Greenday reference
Possible answers to YOUR QUESTIONS
- WHY AREN’T WE ALREADY A GOOD TEAM AGAIN?
Some of the competition is also employing similar strategies — strategies which were once uniquely contrarian strategies.
- WHY CAN’T WE DEVELOP ANY HITTING TALENT?
In fairness, other teams are also having this problem if by hitting we’re really discussing power hitting. And there may be two reasons why this problem now exists: defense (run prevention) is once again (somewhat) in fashion and comparatively, hitters must use much more caution when using enhancement substances — more caution than they did just a seemingly short time ago; a time when 30 HRs seasons from third basemen and outfielders were more commonplace.
#3: ARE WE RE-BUILDING?
Ask ten fans what rebuilding looks like and then how it can be defined and you’re probably going to get three distinctly different types of answers. I think the team isn’t rebuilding so much as they’re just leasing building space in a market where building anything to own is too risky; but leasing space is the value play to get the space you really need on the cheap.
- JUST WHAT IS OUR CURRENT TEAM BUILDING STRATEGY?
It seems like it’s to keep leasing cheap space until the county permits you to build where you really have your heart set on building.

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