Let's Have Our Cake and Eat It Too
Call me crazy, but I think the A's have gotten better. I'm not just talking about the 2015 San Jose A's - I'm talking about the 2012 Oakland version. Sure, we have no Compliant Pig or deJesus, but there is no reason for dismay. Trust me, we're going to be good this year!
Okay, maybe not good, but possibly better than you think. I'm going to live in a fantasy world where injuries don't exist for just a minute. If we could pretend that we really only need 6 starters in 2012 (since Anderson will miss part of the year from hanging out too much with James Andrews or Yocum or whoever did the surgery), we might still have a similar performance from our pitching staff in 2012. Consider the following beautiful graphic display:
| WAR | FIP | IP | WAR/202 | |
| ANDERSON | 3.7 | 3.53 | 195.2 | 3.8 |
| BRADEN | 3.4 | 3.53 | 210.2 | 3.3 |
| CAHILL | 4.7 | 4.14 | 404.1 | 2.4 |
| GONZALEZ | 6.7 | 3.71 | 402.2 | 3.4 |
| McCARTHEY | 4.7 | 2.86 | 170.2 | 5.6 |
| MOSCOSO | 1.3 | 4.23 | 128 | 2.1 |
| OUTMAN | 0.8 | 3.9 | 58 | 2.8 |
| ROSS | 0.9 | 3.74 | 75.1 | 2.4 |
Listed above are stats from the last two seasons. I made up the last stat - WAR/202 - as a way to compare the WAR of each player given that they had all pitched as many innings as Trevor Cahill averaged (which of course only Gio came close to).
Assuming everyone except Brett Anderson is healthy at the beginning of ST and stays that way for the rest of the season, we just traded our number 2 and 4/5 starters for quite a hefty package of prospects. And it's not that our #2 was even that much better than the alternatives. Our starting pitcher WAR (assuming al of the pitchers threw 202 innings next year) should have been around 18. (I split the season between Anderson and Josh Outman) Instead, since we just traded our 2 & 4/5 pitchers, we'll be around 17.1. This is assuming that Anderson splits the season with Guillermo Moscoso. This leaves us with a difference of 0.9 WAR.
We also lost Andrew Bailey and got back a couple of low leve, high upside guys in return. Bailey had .9 WAR in 2011, so I'm not too worried about recoupoing that WAR. Closers for the A's are a dime a dozen (or 1 for $450,000 with your frequent shopper card). When you add in Breslow's 0.8 WAR from last year, the A's traded 2.6 WAR in 2011 for 9 prospects. And we saved ~12 million from Cahill, Bailey, Breslow and Gio's salaries.
The news gets evern better though! Those prospects we traded for are not garbage. In fact, between Peacock, Milone, and Parker, they are a combined 3-0 in the big leagues. These guys are undefeated! That means that if one of our starters gets injured, we get to replace him with a guy that has never ever lost a major league baseball game. If they haven't lost yet, why should we assume that they ever will? Seems logical to me.
We've also lost about 5 WAR from free agents Willingham, DeJesus, and Godzilla and other big time contributors to the 2011 debacle Ellis, Kouzmanoff, CoJax, et. al. We also picked up a good player in Josh Reddick, who in a half season put up ~2 WAR. If Barton is back to his 5 WAR self after recovering from his peanut allergy or whatever it was that killed his 2011, that would seem to account for more than what we're losing in position players.
Assuming Chris Carter hits 35 HR in 2012 and Brandon Allen translates his AAA success into Big League mashing, it looks to me like we're competing for the 5th playoff spot! Somehow, the A's have figured out a way to cut 30 million in payroll, acquire 9 prospects, and make the team better in 2012. Beane truly is a genius.
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I will agree to agree
I really don’t see this team being any worse than last years bunch. As they said in Bad News Bears II or whatever it was called…“let them play!”
Beane's World!! Excellent!!! Rock On, Beane! Rock On, Geren!
Ok, you are crazy
You can’t subtract a healthy Gio and Bailey and Cahill and be better or the same. While I agree we have some fine looking new guys, I don’t see us the same or better than last year. I also don’t think we are going to lose 100 games.
By the way, it’s CompliantPork.
A Kouzmanoff for the rest of us!
My thought is basically this
We had some uber-terrible offensive perfomances last year that are no longer with us. If everyone plays to their ceiling ;) and we only have to use 6 or 7 pitchers next year, our starting pitching will be one of the best in the league even without Cahill and Gio.
John 3:16
"If they want to pay me like Mike Gallego, I’ll play like Gallego." - Rickey Henderson
I guess another way to look at this is we need injuries to mega-suck our way to a high draft pick
If we are healthy, we could be as “good” as last year. However, I guess this ignores the fact that the Rangers and Angels got even better, so it’s doubtful even if we are as good, that we can maintain the same level of performance.
Personally I think it would be nice if we were pleasantly surprised by a decent season for this team, but likely the best we can do is 75 wins, which would keep us in that zone of not bad enough and not good enough, which we can’t afford to stay in.
by Billy Frijoles on Jan 5, 2012 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
A lot of assumptions
ie-Health, Carter and Allen mashing in their first full seasons, and realizing WAR from other expected places prevent me from believing this reality. Thanks for the optimism! Let’s hope everything goes our way!
by OnlybuyBeaneJerseys on Jan 5, 2012 3:28 PM PST reply actions
Yay, crazy optimism!
Playoffs, here we come!
Baseball is a stupid-making enterprise in that nobody wants to be singled out or say something dumb. —Michael Lewis
I agree!
We can be grumpy, we can quit, or we can hope for the best. Which path is more fun?
Let's play two.
Impossible dreams.
You can wish for Beane to somehow assemble a team that reasonably projects to win 95 games. Or you can wish that our actual team that projects to win 70-75 games somehow catches fire and wins 95 games anyway.
The second is improbable for sure, but it’s not really any more improbable than the first. We each choose our own quixotry.
Baseball is a stupid-making enterprise in that nobody wants to be singled out or say something dumb. —Michael Lewis
BEER!
and popcorn
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pie and beer genuinely sounds bad...unless it's a stout that has some sweetness to it. but even then. ew. beer and popcorn though. awesomely awesome.
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By the end I couldn't tell if this was a joke
But I share your optimism about the upcoming season. I think this team is going to be damn fun to watch.
Okay, so it was partially tongue in cheek
I just wanted to find a way to mess with numbers and say we’re going to be better next year and are still doing a successful rebuild
John 3:16
"If they want to pay me like Mike Gallego, I’ll play like Gallego." - Rickey Henderson
I appreciate the enthusiasm
There’s also the gained WAR of Weeks and Sizemore getting a full season. Hopefully they don’t regress. I think they could both potentially put 2.5 next year. So between the two of them there’s another win.
I can see Reddick putting up the same value as Dejesus so that could be a wash.
Cowgill’s gotta be worth at least 1WAR.
So to me it doesn’t really look like we lost much value on the field.
I know you’re post is mostly a joke, but I don’t think we’ll be a 100 loss team like some people are predicting. 70 wins is where I think we’ll be at.
by Maverick10126 on Jan 6, 2012 8:02 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah I think Jane Lee predicted like 63 Wins for us
which is just ridiculous. Maybe before Reddick and Coco things were looking pretty bleak, but she’s acting like we lost Gio and Cahill and replaced them with Clay Mortenson and Trystan Magnuson in the 2 and 3 spots in the rotation
John 3:16
"If they want to pay me like Mike Gallego, I’ll play like Gallego." - Rickey Henderson
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John 3:16
"If they want to pay me like Mike Gallego, I’ll play like Gallego." - Rickey Henderson
I'm with you
100 losses seems crazy. The thing about young talent is, it’s unpredictable! It could be amazing, it could be awful. I think the A’s will be surprisingly good – not good enough to be in the playoffs, but they’re going to show some fight.
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We can cross our boy Hisashi off the list
of potential fifth starters. Went to the M’s today.
Even with all the incentives, seems he had a drastic reevaluation of his market value.
Yeah I was really surprised
Not because I know anything about how good he is, but because he was asking for something like $30 million last year.
I'm just glad that he went to a team whose fans
have excellent photoshop skills.
The folks at Lookout Landing are already on the case:

(or if you prefer:
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Baseball is a stupid-making enterprise in that nobody wants to be singled out or say something dumb. —Michael Lewis
Yeah, I saw that over there!
Lookout Landing is a fun place to go lurking.
For as cheap as they signed him I wish we could have gotten him. It wouldn’t take much for him to outperform his contract.
Finally some optimism!
A lot can happen over 162 games, here’s to improbability! In all seriousness, Billy did trade our All-Stars for major-league-ready guys with a high ceiling, so you just never know!
Yeah I know there were alot of people on this site
clamoring for us to trade for a bunch of A ball guys that would debut in 2015 but this seems like a way to have a good team in 2015 without having to lose 100 games in the meantime.
John 3:16
"If they want to pay me like Mike Gallego, I’ll play like Gallego." - Rickey Henderson
But the losing 100 games in the mean time
is how you get better draft picks which if they panned out well enough could move up through the system and be contributing by 2015 or 2016. Losing a lot of games should be a part of the rebuild.
For me, I'm okay if we do get high draft picks for sucking
it’s a nice consolation. I don’t really think I want us to try to do that though. I’d rather put together the best team possible while still allowing the young guys to play. Let the draft take care of itself.
John 3:16
"If they want to pay me like Mike Gallego, I’ll play like Gallego." - Rickey Henderson
Oh, I don't mean for them to do it on purpose.
I think that marching out all the young guys to play will result in a lot of losses. I don’t think this team is 100 loss bad though.

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