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Question about WAR

Does 1 WAR for a pitcher translate exactly as 1 WAR for a hitter? How do the weight of pitching stats compare to the weight of hitting stats? And what about fielding?

5 months ago Imgp0089_editedagasin_tiny micdog2001 4 comments 0 recs  | 

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they should match

Which makes sense because preventing a run and scoring a run are equally valuable. Also, defense is added in to pitcher’s WAR value, just the same as for position players. I’m not sure how good of a job UZR (fWAR) or TotalZone (rWAR) do for measuring pitcher fielding, but it’s in there.

But there is another, completely separate issue that comes in to play for pitcher WAR, which is whether you use something like ERA, which includes contributions from the defense, or FIP, which is defense independent. Baseball-reference (rWAR) does the first thing and fangraphs (fWAR) does the second. This is why pitcher WAR values can vary a lot between those two sources. For more explanation of this issue, see Why Our Pitcher WAR Uses FIP and Why Our Pitcher WAR Uses FIP, Part 2

Relief pitchers are a whole other can of worms because you might want to take into account the high leverage situations that they pitch in, but then you also need to take reliever chaining into account (like if your closer is hurt, then you don’t give those high leverage innings to some scrub from AAA, you use the next best reliever in the bullpen).

by colin on Jan 12, 2012 12:56 PM PST reply actions  

thanks Colin

it is a little confusing but I think I get most of it.

Do Wins, Losses and Saves change WAR?

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by micdog2001 on Jan 12, 2012 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

WAR doesn't use some old school stats like wins, losses, saves, RBI, runs, etc

Because those stats are dependent on the context of the game, not just that player’s performance.

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by A'sFanDFW on Jan 12, 2012 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

makes sense :-)

thanks

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by micdog2001 on Jan 12, 2012 6:18 PM PST up reply actions  

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