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Open Thread: Game 160 (Oakland Athletics at Seattle Mariners)

Oakland Athletics at Seattle Mariners, Sep 26, 2011 7:10 PM PDT


It hasn't been a great season, but there have been some positives.

Like Brandon McCarthy (9-8, 3.26 ERA, -∞.19 FIP). He's awesome. And he's starting tonight, in a bid for his tenth win. Also starting tonight is Jason Vargas (9-13, 4.38 ERA). He's not very awesome.

And neither are the Mariners, really. They'll avoid another 100-loss season (last year was 61-101), but at 66-93, they're not exactly a force of power. Neither are the A's, really, but oh well.

And so begins the last series of the worst season in a long while.

Star-divide

Lineup

2B Weeks
CF Crisp
DH Matsui
LF Willingham
3B Sizemore
C Suzuki
1B Carter
RF Taylor
SS Rosales

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the end of the beginning of the beginning.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 26, 2011 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

The comment finally regressed!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 26, 2011 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yessez!!!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 26, 2011 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Excellent. Rays on verge of pulling into a tie for the wild card lead.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Sep 26, 2011 7:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Amazing.

Didn’t the Red Sox lead by 10 games not that long ago?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 26, 2011 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lead by 9 on September 4th.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Sep 26, 2011 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Holy Frack!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 26, 2011 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Woah. How'd you know?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 26, 2011 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

{cuddles}

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 26, 2011 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he hasn't played at all.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Sep 26, 2011 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

And I'm a good ballplayer!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 26, 2011 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

What a silly bunt.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 26, 2011 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Has Vargas always done that "Luis Tiant" spin or is that new?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 26, 2011 7:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Weak dink into left field aside,

Matsui’s stupendous! amazing! unbelievable! second half performance: 780 OPS

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Sep 26, 2011 7:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Also, holy shit,

this is his worst season by wOBA in his career. By 35 points.

by danmerqury on Sep 26, 2011 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

We'll be there to see him set a new low next year.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Sep 26, 2011 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

A-Gon up with 2 runners on, 2 outs, down by 3....

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Sep 26, 2011 7:24 PM PDT reply actions  

hullo

hey little girl
…want a cookie?

by ChickenStanley on Sep 26, 2011 7:27 PM PDT reply actions  

hiya chickie!

There's no crying in baseball!

by gigglingone on Sep 26, 2011 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

pie queen!

hey little girl
…want a cookie?

by ChickenStanley on Sep 26, 2011 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

next week!

hey little girl
…want a cookie?

by ChickenStanley on Sep 26, 2011 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

YAY!

There's no crying in baseball!

by gigglingone on Sep 26, 2011 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

mmmmmmmmmm

hey little girl
…want a cookie?

by ChickenStanley on Sep 26, 2011 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

GO RAYS!

hey little girl
…want a cookie?

by ChickenStanley on Sep 26, 2011 7:31 PM PDT reply actions  

I want them to win today and tomorrow

We yet enjoy little to be envied, but endure much to be pitied.-Thomas Dudley

by Future Ed on Sep 26, 2011 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yuppers

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 26, 2011 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, Ned Colleti traded Trayvon Robinson for the Red Sox's 21st best prospect.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Sep 26, 2011 7:33 PM PDT reply actions  

I feel bad for Ken Tremendous who is a red sox fan

after all he only has a great job on a hit tv show, is rich, has a rich wife, has only seen his team win the world series twice in the last 8 years…

I mean, poor guy.

We yet enjoy little to be envied, but endure much to be pitied.-Thomas Dudley

by Future Ed on Sep 26, 2011 7:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Hah! Smoak is awful this year. We win the 2008 draft!

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Sep 26, 2011 7:39 PM PDT reply actions  

I'll take what I can get!

Get out the time-fracture wickets, Hobbes! We're gonna play Calvinball!

by UrgentMirth on Sep 26, 2011 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Earthquake stadium, which is basically a done deal but doing public comments right now
Resident comments that noise from soccer games would be more obtrusive then airport and CalTrain noise at @SJEarthquakes new stadium meeting

by Copenhagen on Sep 26, 2011 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

and how often they’re played.

by AV on Sep 26, 2011 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I say let's go!

anybody have the dates for the rest of the season?

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by Berry Jo on Sep 26, 2011 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oct 1 and 22nd last 2 home games

but I’d wait until next year, they are horrible atm.

by Copenhagen on Sep 26, 2011 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I happen to be busy both those days.....

what say you to AN day at the Earthquakes???

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by Berry Jo on Sep 26, 2011 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd suggest going for the Timbers or Sounders next year

probably gonna be the best to games to see outside of the Galaxy, maybe toss in the Whitecaps too

by Copenhagen on Sep 26, 2011 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

is the schedule up?

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by Berry Jo on Sep 26, 2011 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

be sure to let us know.

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by Berry Jo on Sep 26, 2011 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gonna be a weird year with unbalanced

schedules again with the Impact moving up from the USL. But I’ll keep an eye out.

by Copenhagen on Sep 26, 2011 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

101-me, please. what’s the current competition style of the MLS? curren number of teams? are there leagues/divisions?

by AV on Sep 26, 2011 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

9 teams in both the East and West

Montreal most likely goes into the East unless they go to 3 conferences/divisions again for a year.

by Copenhagen on Sep 26, 2011 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

do teams in the different confs see each other during the regular year, or just during playoffs?

by AV on Sep 26, 2011 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

i swear i’m also wiki’ing this. not totally lazy here. just can’t find the answers.

by AV on Sep 26, 2011 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

what’s the point of conferences then? is it a leftover from previous configs?

by AV on Sep 26, 2011 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Always was there either 2 or 3

never has it been single table, the 3 conference set up was 2000-02

by Copenhagen on Sep 26, 2011 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

What is awesome about the set up

Is that SJ lost in the Eastern Conference Finals last year to Colorado.

So silly

by Copenhagen on Sep 26, 2011 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

were they actually easter-conf teams last year? or is this mess created by combining seeds and conferences?

by AV on Sep 26, 2011 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also the playoff structure changes

as the league grows, so I might get changes yet again next year. Hopefully once they hit the target of 24 or whatever Garber thinks is enough, single table and no more playoff changes will happen.

by Copenhagen on Sep 26, 2011 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

well… at least it’s growing!

by AV on Sep 26, 2011 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

If they go to single table, which most want

it’s east 19 home 19 away, but they are stupid and that won’t happen. Also have to factor in extra games for CCL and USOC teams, not too mention World Cup Qualifying dates. it’s just going to be a really cramped schedule unless they open sooner and end later.

by Copenhagen on Sep 26, 2011 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Single table is the way to go, but they really seem to dig the division nonsense

Still, two more games wouldn’t kill anybody, and Jurgen Klinsmann has been talking about the need to lengthen the MLS season so his players aren’t sitting around for 4 months.

by Glorious Mundy on Sep 26, 2011 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

do tell...

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by Berry Jo on Sep 26, 2011 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

octavio? NOOOOOOO!!!!

by AV on Sep 26, 2011 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

or william....

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by Berry Jo on Sep 26, 2011 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

feels funny singing this without the lone stranger around but… to the dump, to the dump, to the dump dump dump!

by AV on Sep 26, 2011 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

we better stop. it’s starting to feel like #2.

by AV on Sep 26, 2011 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah...I however am now hearing the overture in my head.

OH wait the Valkyries on this commercial just knocked that outta my head

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by Berry Jo on Sep 26, 2011 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, that was just bad luck for Taylor

Bad luck that he isn’t 12 feet tall.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 26, 2011 7:52 PM PDT reply actions  

"Don Corelone is still alive!"

The Turk….“well that’s bad luck for you Tom if you don’t make that deal with him”

ack-A

by ak_A on Sep 26, 2011 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haha Taylor

At least he caught it

Get out the time-fracture wickets, Hobbes! We're gonna play Calvinball!

by UrgentMirth on Sep 26, 2011 8:10 PM PDT reply actions  

he's just that good!

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by Berry Jo on Sep 26, 2011 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

hey guys!

"I'll guarantee this: The A's will have a better season in 2012." - George Zimmer

by cuppingmaster on Sep 26, 2011 8:11 PM PDT reply actions  

HI cup. MIssed you on Sat!

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by Berry Jo on Sep 26, 2011 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

hey BJ

"I'll guarantee this: The A's will have a better season in 2012." - George Zimmer

by cuppingmaster on Sep 26, 2011 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

hey copes

"I'll guarantee this: The A's will have a better season in 2012." - George Zimmer

by cuppingmaster on Sep 26, 2011 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

hey dan!

"I'll guarantee this: The A's will have a better season in 2012." - George Zimmer

by cuppingmaster on Sep 26, 2011 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK, I fell asleep

in around the 2nd inning. What’d I miss?

"If we start getting into that sh*t, we might as well get out the plastic sheeting and have an orgy." --Gaijin Suketto

by emperor nobody on Sep 26, 2011 8:15 PM PDT reply actions  

bad swing

"I'll guarantee this: The A's will have a better season in 2012." - George Zimmer

by cuppingmaster on Sep 26, 2011 8:16 PM PDT reply actions  

BOOBIES

I don't feel that I'm feeling your feelings, about these feelings that you feel.

by doctorK on Sep 26, 2011 8:16 PM PDT reply actions  

hiya doc!

There's no crying in baseball!

by gigglingone on Sep 26, 2011 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Were those outside pitches strikes?

This TV angle is very “shortstoppy” so it’s hard to tell.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 26, 2011 8:19 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm not questioning it, just wondering.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 26, 2011 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

some much for his FIP

I don't feel that I'm feeling your feelings, about these feelings that you feel.

by doctorK on Sep 26, 2011 8:22 PM PDT reply actions  

err, SO much

FAIL

I don't feel that I'm feeling your feelings, about these feelings that you feel.

by doctorK on Sep 26, 2011 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

bah

"I'll guarantee this: The A's will have a better season in 2012." - George Zimmer

by cuppingmaster on Sep 26, 2011 8:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Carter makes the play

"I'll guarantee this: The A's will have a better season in 2012." - George Zimmer

by cuppingmaster on Sep 26, 2011 8:27 PM PDT reply actions  

So how's this going to work with a trade for a player like they said before?

"I'll guarantee this: The A's will have a better season in 2012." - George Zimmer

by cuppingmaster on Sep 26, 2011 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

They still get compensation if he manages next year since he is under contract.
Should Guillen take a managerial job with a different organization in 2012, the White Sox retain the right to be compensated. In order to fulfill that right, the Marlins will send two minor leaguers to Chicago, the source said.

by Copenhagen on Sep 26, 2011 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Watch it be LoMo or something

"I'll guarantee this: The A's will have a better season in 2012." - George Zimmer

by cuppingmaster on Sep 26, 2011 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh wait, MiLBers

"I'll guarantee this: The A's will have a better season in 2012." - George Zimmer

by cuppingmaster on Sep 26, 2011 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Moar Ozzie
Kevin_Goldstein:
Do you expect to take coaches with you? “Hell no, they got me fired.” #Ozzie

"I'll guarantee this: The A's will have a better season in 2012." - George Zimmer

by cuppingmaster on Sep 26, 2011 8:34 PM PDT reply actions  

I hear Geren is available

"I'll guarantee this: The A's will have a better season in 2012." - George Zimmer

by cuppingmaster on Sep 26, 2011 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I really really hope the Rays take it

Get out the time-fracture wickets, Hobbes! We're gonna play Calvinball!

by UrgentMirth on Sep 26, 2011 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

yup - me too

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by Berry Jo on Sep 26, 2011 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

plus 10

I really hate that red team.

Re-sign Josh Willingham now!

by sf drift king on Sep 26, 2011 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

OH boy...

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by Berry Jo on Sep 26, 2011 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope there's a one-game playoff

"I'll guarantee this: The A's will have a better season in 2012." - George Zimmer

by cuppingmaster on Sep 26, 2011 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

YES!

If there was a one-game playoff, it looks like Matt Moore would start it for the Rays

"I'll guarantee this: The A's will have a better season in 2012." - George Zimmer

by cuppingmaster on Sep 26, 2011 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

vince fail

We yet enjoy little to be envied, but endure much to be pitied.-Thomas Dudley

by Future Ed on Sep 26, 2011 8:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Au contraire, mon cher.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 26, 2011 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I LOVE YOU, VINCE COTRONEO.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 26, 2011 8:39 PM PDT reply actions  

what did he say?

"I'll guarantee this: The A's will have a better season in 2012." - George Zimmer

by cuppingmaster on Sep 26, 2011 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes...not listening to radio

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by Berry Jo on Sep 26, 2011 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Trevor Cahill hasn't been worse this year because he's had worse luck.

He’s made worse pitches, left more pitches up in the zone." They’re talking about “good/bad luck” and actually being smart about when it applies and when it doesn’t.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 26, 2011 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think anything has quietly driven me more crazy this year

than the overlooking of the fact that Cahill is having worse results this year because he’s…leaving more fastballs up, leaving more changeups up, not getting the sharp break on his curve anymore. It ain’t rocket science. Hopefully, a lot of it is his finger and he’ll bounce back next year.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 26, 2011 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

WE need more real analysis?

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by Berry Jo on Sep 26, 2011 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not sure what you mean here.

I’ve tried to steer clear of Cahill / luck discussions because they’re too inflammatory and repetitive, but Vince hit it on the money when he cited his BABIPs, explained the theories behind it, and then said, “But the reason Cahill has struggled…” It was very well done, IMO.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 26, 2011 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was being silly....It was real analysis and we appreciate this when we hear it.

at least I do – if it helps me understand the game.

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by Berry Jo on Sep 26, 2011 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good to know.

I’ve backed off on a lot of it this year out of some fatigue with the backlash.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 26, 2011 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

As the sun rises in the east...

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 26, 2011 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

no kidding!!

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by Berry Jo on Sep 26, 2011 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah. that wasn’t embarrassing at all! please nico, make sure to signal you’re not being sarcastic that one time per year…

by AV on Sep 26, 2011 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not sure which comment you mean,

but I was genuinely thrilled with Cotroneo’s comments, which I thought were right on the mark.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 26, 2011 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

the “i love you” you started with.

by AV on Sep 26, 2011 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

which i thought was about VC saying something awful.

by AV on Sep 26, 2011 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

he did

We yet enjoy little to be envied, but endure much to be pitied.-Thomas Dudley

by Future Ed on Sep 26, 2011 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

you guys are tearing me apart!

by AV on Sep 26, 2011 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

love will do that

We yet enjoy little to be envied, but endure much to be pitied.-Thomas Dudley

by Future Ed on Sep 26, 2011 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

over my head. i’m more of a joy division guy, like ed above.

but the line i was thinking of is from some movie of the week where the dad and mom are getting a divorce and the kid finally bursts with emotion.

by AV on Sep 26, 2011 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lots of times.

When bloops fall, when liners are right at people, when great plays keep being made on your balls in play, and so on. That’s the thing. Sometimes it’s luck, sometimes it’s not. Do you think McCarthy had bad luck in the 6th when he suddenly kept giving up searing line drives? I don’t. I think he hit a rough patch.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 26, 2011 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree with any of this.

But.

How do you know he hasn’t had worse luck this year than last? Calling it all missed locations and movement is just as bad as calling it all BABIP luck.

by danmerqury on Sep 26, 2011 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

You can't.

I should do a piece sometime on the traditional definition of “luck” (random chance, like a roulette wheel) and the statistician’s definition of “luck” (anything that’s not skill-based). It’d stop a whole lot of arguments.

by danmerqury on Sep 26, 2011 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, it wouldn't.

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My thoughtful watermelon is easily mistook for an early American catapult.
DURRRR THEY’RE TOO OLD, BABIP IS TOO HIGH, TOO MANY Ks, DURRRRRR

by mikev on Sep 26, 2011 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is this where I jump in with the super respectful "It's not worth it"?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 26, 2011 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

it might not stop the arguments, but it’d provide a quick link where we could send those arguments to.

by AV on Sep 26, 2011 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh yea I think it'd be a great piece

but like some of elcroata’s awesome stuff… even if you prove something, people aren’t likely to change their minds compared to what they think they see with their own eyes.

Official Athletics Nation Rotating Tagline Editor - Pam liked my old sig better.
My thoughtful watermelon is easily mistook for an early American catapult.
DURRRR THEY’RE TOO OLD, BABIP IS TOO HIGH, TOO MANY Ks, DURRRRRR

by mikev on Sep 26, 2011 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

i think a lot (not all, but a lot) of these issues are from people who are around but haven’t read those pieces. so to me and you, we see the articles and we scream (me in my mind, you in all caps) at people who seem to repeat the old stuff when really they haven’t seen the new yet.

by AV on Sep 26, 2011 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not only that

but I think a lot of people don’t respond well to being proven wrong

Official Athletics Nation Rotating Tagline Editor - Pam liked my old sig better.
My thoughtful watermelon is easily mistook for an early American catapult.
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by mikev on Sep 26, 2011 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

KOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUZ!

"Trying not to rec a "F**k the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."

by Tutu-late on Sep 26, 2011 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing!

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by Berry Jo on Sep 26, 2011 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

We would agree, though, that "throwing a higher percentage of quality pitches" is skill based, correct?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 26, 2011 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cool. That's what I'm focused on, personally.

I wouldn’t venture to be able to reliably glean a season’s worth of good/bad luck on bloops and liners and such.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 26, 2011 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

That'd be an awesome place for research.

Wouldn’t really know where to start, though.

by danmerqury on Sep 26, 2011 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

That web site they were referencing tries, I think, to do that

It had to do with “Ichiro has been the unluckiest hitter in baseball this year,” based on how many “hard plays” were completed and so on. But I don’t remember the URL!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 26, 2011 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

He may have had both

What I’m most sure about is that he’s located his sinker and changeup a lot worse, and that it has accounted for his difficulties more than luck has. He may also have had bad luck, I don’t know (or had especially good luck last year, when he was also pitching far better).

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by Nico on Sep 26, 2011 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't "know" anything

But I don’t really aim to know (nor do I think it’s “knowable”); I just aim to conclude based on what I see, both on the field and on paper. To me, the interesting question isn’t “Has his location been far worse overall?” as to me that’s pretty obvious anyway. To me the interesting question is “Why?” And again, I don’t know — I just have my best guesses.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 26, 2011 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Vince might be slightly high tonight

earlier he was saying players from Canada were from Australia.

"If we start getting into that sh*t, we might as well get out the plastic sheeting and have an orgy." --Gaijin Suketto

by emperor nobody on Sep 26, 2011 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Like, across the board?

Get out the time-fracture wickets, Hobbes! We're gonna play Calvinball!

by UrgentMirth on Sep 26, 2011 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

no really. what’d he say?

by AV on Sep 26, 2011 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

ACK

ley

"I'll guarantee this: The A's will have a better season in 2012." - George Zimmer

by cuppingmaster on Sep 26, 2011 8:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Damn you, Crap

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by Berry Jo on Sep 26, 2011 8:43 PM PDT reply actions  

shit

"I'll guarantee this: The A's will have a better season in 2012." - George Zimmer

by cuppingmaster on Sep 26, 2011 8:44 PM PDT reply actions  

But, but, FIP

Get out the time-fracture wickets, Hobbes! We're gonna play Calvinball!

by UrgentMirth on Sep 26, 2011 8:44 PM PDT reply actions  

well, McCarthy is FiPped

"If we start getting into that sh*t, we might as well get out the plastic sheeting and have an orgy." --Gaijin Suketto

by emperor nobody on Sep 26, 2011 8:44 PM PDT reply actions  

I just fipped you off.

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by Nico on Sep 26, 2011 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

boo

I don't feel that I'm feeling your feelings, about these feelings that you feel.

by doctorK on Sep 26, 2011 8:44 PM PDT reply actions  

it was fun while it lasted

"I'll guarantee this: The A's will have a better season in 2012." - George Zimmer

by cuppingmaster on Sep 26, 2011 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

“the curse of sports illustrated,” you have company.

by AV on Sep 26, 2011 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

WTH???? What is gappening here?

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by Berry Jo on Sep 26, 2011 8:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Ai, Ai ai....

AN Tailgate = Euphemism for food porn.

by Berry Jo on Sep 26, 2011 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whoa, dude, that seems like it was faaaast!

but congrats! you’ll double it next year.

AN Tailgate = Euphemism for food porn.

by Berry Jo on Sep 26, 2011 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seems like yesterday was my first post. It was 4 days ago that I checked to see what it was.

And apparently, this phone saves whatever I type (the bold letter stuff).

by player20 on Sep 26, 2011 8:52 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

victory is ours

er, his

"I'll guarantee this: The A's will have a better season in 2012." - George Zimmer

by cuppingmaster on Sep 26, 2011 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay Gaga

"I'll guarantee this: The A's will have a better season in 2012." - George Zimmer

by cuppingmaster on Sep 26, 2011 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure thing, Vargas

Get out the time-fracture wickets, Hobbes! We're gonna play Calvinball!

by UrgentMirth on Sep 26, 2011 8:53 PM PDT reply actions  

I think it's funny MLB.tv is still running TouchPad commercials

"I'll guarantee this: The A's will have a better season in 2012." - George Zimmer

by cuppingmaster on Sep 26, 2011 8:54 PM PDT reply actions  

what's that?

and I mean the touchpad – is it that HP thing that failed?

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by Berry Jo on Sep 26, 2011 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

It didn't fail so much as they killed it

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by cuppingmaster on Sep 26, 2011 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

they killed because they are dumb

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by cuppingmaster on Sep 26, 2011 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

It isn't that simple.

The hardware is a bit under powered but the OS is actually pretty cool. Pretty good read here, scroll down to A Colossal Mistake: webOS

by Copenhagen on Sep 26, 2011 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love how we're toying with the M's

Trailing by 3 and all…buuuuaaaaaaahaha…

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by Nico on Sep 26, 2011 8:57 PM PDT reply actions  

it’s how we do. first we spot them, then we spoil their WC chances. mark my words: the mariners are not (NOT) going to the world series this year.

by AV on Sep 26, 2011 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

gasp! not… your… emergency playoff fund! (better save that in case my prediction is off.)

by AV on Sep 26, 2011 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

what the hell is Dana Eveland doing on the Dodgers

A few weeks back my friend who is a Dodger fan was telling me they have this great new call up named Eveland….I jokingly told him it was probably Dana. I just checked their box score, interested to see if Matt Kemp can get to the Triple Crown….and what do I see:
Dana Eveland 5 IP, 0 ER, 5 K’s

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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Sep 26, 2011 9:00 PM PDT reply actions  

hardly

Eveland is a journeyman MiLB pitcher

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by cuppingmaster on Sep 26, 2011 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

2008 Dana Eveland

……He also gave up 27 four-pitch walks, the most in the majors

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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Sep 26, 2011 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know, let's let the pitcher that was 3-8 since the break

thoroughly dominate us.

"If we start getting into that sh*t, we might as well get out the plastic sheeting and have an orgy." --Gaijin Suketto

by emperor nobody on Sep 26, 2011 9:05 PM PDT reply actions  

At least let's get Harold Baines over here

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by cuppingmaster on Sep 26, 2011 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

do we need this? Maybe we do...

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by Berry Jo on Sep 26, 2011 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

We need him to teach Jemile how to fucking slide.

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by mikev on Sep 26, 2011 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Chris Carter needs to have a session with Rickey the Awesome

“Chris walk to the plate to go foe fiddy,” says Carter.

by jeffro on Sep 26, 2011 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Heh.

Screamer is still poking around in my thread from this morning.

by danmerqury on Sep 26, 2011 9:07 PM PDT reply actions  

huh?

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by Berry Jo on Sep 26, 2011 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

The asshole from this morning.

It’s amusing, more than anything else.

by danmerqury on Sep 26, 2011 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just answered his last comment

I don't feel that I'm feeling your feelings, about these feelings that you feel.

by doctorK on Sep 26, 2011 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

so wtf is this ozzie guillen thing goin on right now

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by mikev on Sep 26, 2011 9:07 PM PDT reply actions  

he's gettin' kicked to the curb

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by Berry Jo on Sep 26, 2011 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good thing the A's have a manager under contract

Otherwise, tomorrow we’d start seeing fanposts about how the A’s need to sign Ozzie, etc.

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by doctorK on Sep 26, 2011 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

ew

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by mikev on Sep 26, 2011 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

exactly

I don't feel that I'm feeling your feelings, about these feelings that you feel.

by doctorK on Sep 26, 2011 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol

not happening

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by cuppingmaster on Sep 26, 2011 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

dinner time! the W is now in your hands.

by AV on Sep 26, 2011 9:09 PM PDT reply actions  

It begins
LoMoMarlinsby Miss_Oakland
Bienvenido a Miami @OzzieGuillen?

by Copenhagen on Sep 26, 2011 9:14 PM PDT reply actions  

He's the new Billy Martin and Steinbrenner

"I'll guarantee this: The A's will have a better season in 2012." - George Zimmer

by cuppingmaster on Sep 26, 2011 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Only on a much smaller scale...

I can see theatrical press conferences played to 3 beat writers. There’s something so Arrested Development about this it is insane.

by jeffro on Sep 26, 2011 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

LAWN DART

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by doctorK on Sep 26, 2011 9:17 PM PDT reply actions  

22 for 22

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by cuppingmaster on Sep 26, 2011 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

NO DAN HE IS 22 FOR HIS LAST 22.

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by mikev on Sep 26, 2011 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

heh.
KenTremendous Ken Tremendous
If they all clear waivers, I’d propose this trade: everyone on the Red Sox 40-man roster to the Marlins for Ozzie Guillen.

by whiteshoes40 on Sep 26, 2011 9:18 PM PDT reply actions  

uh oh.....reply fail I think

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by Berry Jo on Sep 26, 2011 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

haigh.

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by mikev on Sep 26, 2011 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

was that for me?

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by pam5981 on Sep 26, 2011 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey, a run!

Get out the time-fracture wickets, Hobbes! We're gonna play Calvinball!

by UrgentMirth on Sep 26, 2011 9:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Man where is everybody clamoring on and on about the

Rajai Coco run??

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by mikev on Sep 26, 2011 9:22 PM PDT reply actions  

FISTER???? FISTER?!?!?!?!?!

I didn’t even know her, I swear Ken.

"If we start getting into that sh*t, we might as well get out the plastic sheeting and have an orgy." --Gaijin Suketto

by emperor nobody on Sep 26, 2011 9:22 PM PDT reply actions  

BARELY KNEW HER.

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by mikev on Sep 26, 2011 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

he can't hit righties though, dan.

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by mikev on Sep 26, 2011 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Suzuki is not awesome

"I'm not a peep; I'm a Cadbury egg." --Gaijin_Suketto

by weenmAN on Sep 26, 2011 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Suzuki took care of that

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by cuppingmaster on Sep 26, 2011 9:24 PM PDT reply actions  

HE'S AVERAGE DAN. SUZUKI IS AVERAGE. LEAGUE AVERAGE.

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by mikev on Sep 26, 2011 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

shush your face.

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by mikev on Sep 26, 2011 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

but she's talkin' 'bout CAPS

and we can dig it!

"If we start getting into that sh*t, we might as well get out the plastic sheeting and have an orgy." --Gaijin Suketto

by emperor nobody on Sep 26, 2011 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

no.

You're the boss. -Future Ed

by pam5981 on Sep 26, 2011 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

fine.

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by mikev on Sep 26, 2011 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

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