Billy Beane Cubs Speculation
With the recent speculation from Buster Olney and Susan Slusser that Billy Beane could consider the Cubs' GM job, it appears there's a non-zero chance that Beane could be running things on the North Side come April.
It's no doubt that the Oakland is the toughest GM job in baseball, when you couple the lack of funds with the lack of long-term certainty. I couldn't blame Beane if he decided to leave. He's recently made statements about his frustration with what he sees as a widening gap between baseball's haves and have-nots. At this point in his career and in the franchise's history, jumping ship would be excusable.
Most of us are aware of the events of the 2002-2003 winter that almost led to Beane leaving for Boston, which would have hurt (but we would've gotten Youkilis!). Billy ultimately decided to stay, but that was then. Now, the franchise around him is burning whilst Bud fiddles, and Beane isn't getting any younger. Free agents want to play in Chicago, and the Cubs have the money to bring them in. Billy Beane goes to Chicago and wins a World Series and between that and Moneyball, he's the most legendary front office type in baseball history. They're a legendary franchise with a legendary stadium and a nationwide hardcore fanbase. They sell out Wrigley even in losing seasons, whereas the A's draw 20,000 a game during winning years. If MLB gets to the point where the rich teams can even buy out the front office, well then that wouldn't be very good now would it, Mr. Selig?
Billy Beane is somewhat polarizing around here, but I'm fully in the support camp. He's stuck with the franchise through terrible economic and stadium conditions despite being able to land offers from teams in much better financial states. He's committed to the East Bay and has been successful for most of his tenure. He kept our favorite franchise relevant through lean economic times.
The stadium situation has been destructive enough on this franchise without it breaking up the front office. To be honest, I can't think of a single thing this franchise could do that would upset me more than Beane leaving for another team (save for a relocation out of the Bay Area). It would be the single most costly event in this whole drawn out (dddrraaaawwnnnn oooouuuuttttt) stadium drama. If he leaves, I would have nobody to blame except MLB. And this would make me livid at MLB.
Regardless, I think he stays. I think he's too committed to the franchise he's been with for 20+ years, too committed to his ownership stake, too committed to his friend Lew Wolff, and too proud to leave the franchise because "it's too hard."
But then, I don't know Billy Beane. This could be it for his time in Oakland. Would you be as upset as I would be? Is it excusable that MLB has allowed one of their thirty franchises to get to the point that not just their players but their front office types are even susceptible to big money offers from the haves?
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I think most people here are pro-Beane
it’s hard to pin the majority of Oakland’s woes on his shoulders. CarGos and Ethiers aside, he’s mit more than he’s missed, and 2011 has been a surprisingly good showing from the A’s front office, at least recently. He seems to have some new momentum, and the glimpse of a more balanced A’s team next year.
I think his decision will tell us something about what the ownership thinks
If he stays, then we can assume they’re probably staying for the foreseeable future, too. If he goes, then ownership may be loathe to hold on to the team for much longer.
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I still like Beane and will be happy if he stays
But part of me is really curious to see what he could do with the Cubs’ resources.
That's kinda where I stand
I basically consider the Red Sox to be the A’s with money. If the A’s front office had the Cubs resources, I’d be interested in what could happen. I’d probably become a kinda-sorta Cubs fan, too.
The Cubs' situation is not that different in one way
The Northsiders are pretty much tapped out in terms of revenue for now, which is why Tom Ricketts is pushing hard for a $200 million, publicly financed renovation of Wrigley Field. I’m not sure that Beane would want to step out of one situation where the owner is looking for a stadium into another where the owner is looking for the same, even if it means he climbs into major market revenue.
by vertig0 on Aug 25, 2011 9:35 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
good point, ML
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by cuppingmaster on Aug 25, 2011 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
the cubs want out of wrigley? no way… upgrades i’d believe. but “looking for a stadium?”
by AV on Aug 25, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Upgrades, not a new ballpark
Good luck to them on getting the money.
I guess they're tapped out
if you mean they can’t build their own stadium. They might be able to put 200 million into Wrigley, but why would they use their own money? They muscled Arizona into building them a super deluxe facility although the existing agreement called for them to get an upgrade after other teams got theirs. The plan to do it was to tax other teams – yes – Ricketts wanted the Cubs funded by everybody who is in the Cactus League. He’s your typical super rich welfare junkie.
what, more boxes?
I went last year and was surprised how it doesn’t suffer to extent Fenway does from narrow concourses etc. You know what they want to do?
I Like Beane
And would prefer for him to stay. He’s stuck by this team, and has executed some great trades. He’s put together teams that have helped the A’s win.
Either way, I'd be fine
I feel like this team needs to start thinking differently than they have over the past 6-7 years. Things are getting stale. Signing older players and wishing for good outcomes…. Trading for AAAA players, hoping someone sticks….
Other GM’s have caught up to Beane. Maybe it’s time to switch it up. Bring on a more creative GM. Does Beane even want to be a GM anymore? Maybe he wants to take on less of a role in this area (if he hasn’t already). I could see him following in Sandy Alderson’s footsteps. Billy Beane – CEO of the Oakland Athletics???
Stale
2011 might have turned out differently if both Beltre and Berkman had signed here. Beane did all he could there. The fact that the A’s went after these FA’s sort of debunks the myth that the A’s don’t want to spend $.
If quality free agents don’t want to play here (in our aging facility), Beane is then forced to find undervalued talent elsewhere (Sizemore & Allen) in the hope that one or more turn out to be more than a AAAA player.
This current ownership is willing to open the purse a little only to find that FA’s don’t want to come here. If Beane leaves, I think this would be the reason he departs.
Re-sign Josh Willingham now!
by sf drift king on Aug 25, 2011 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
forced to be more creative than stale,
I would say.
Re-sign Josh Willingham now!
by sf drift king on Aug 25, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm with you on this. We need to start thinking differently and creatively.
I don’t want Beane as a CEO because he’s not got the marketing background. We need someone in that role who has shown that they can grow a business profitably
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 25, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Agree with this, for the most part
The only quibble I have with it is wondering aloud what better alternative is available.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
Agreed
I mostly think Billy Beane is overrated. You can tout your past and spin it however you want but having a movie come out about when you your team is one of the worst in the league can’t be but embarrassing. However, that said who is gonna do any better? Billy has made lemonade out of lemons. Maybe we hit lightning in a bottle with this “new and more creative” GM but chances are we’re gonna be stuck in Pirates/Royalsville of perpetual cellar dwelling. I’d be nice to see what Beane can do in Chi-town. If he’s really worthy of a book and movie and all then Chicago better be all over him because you know he’ll bring home a title. I used to believe but not so sure now. For curiousity sake, I’d like to see Beane leave to see how well he does. On the other hand as an A’s fan, if we think it’s bad now I’m scared to see what some other lesser GM that we may get will do to us.
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by jemilesathletics on Aug 25, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow, that's an impressive metaphor rate.
Lemonade, lightning in a bottle, and cellar dwelling all in short succession.
Being wrong about something you’ve worked on is a blessing, not a curse, and people are so invested in being right that that gets lost. —Graham MacAree
Why thank you
I think……
"The Most Interesting Man in the World is Brandon Allen" - the World
"Brandon Allen is what I'm talking about" - Willis
by jemilesathletics on Aug 25, 2011 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions
But a poor park adjusted metaphor rate...
step it up :)
WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?!
by true torture on Aug 25, 2011 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Not gonna lie
If Beane leaves, the big C-word becomes a lot more prevalent in my mind.
by Rebuilding Season on Aug 25, 2011 10:40 AM PDT reply actions
too much history
for that to happen. The team will be sold and relocated is my bet.
Re-sign Josh Willingham now!
by sf drift king on Aug 25, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Contraction wouldn't shock me. If the team is worth $307M or something that's just under
$11M/team for 28 teams. to get rid of the A’s and Rays for under $25M/team and eliminate two chronic revenue sharing recipients could be attractive.
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 25, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Good luck getting MLBPA to agree to get rid of 50 jobs plus, what, 10 minor league affiliates?
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2 more spots on each major league team would help.
by Rebuilding Season on Aug 25, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, I was confused for a minute.
I missed the “-raction” part.
Being wrong about something you’ve worked on is a blessing, not a curse, and people are so invested in being right that that gets lost. —Graham MacAree
at least you didn't miss the first part... otherwise you would have been licking a thigh...
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Aug 25, 2011 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions
... which isn't such a bad thing, actually.
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by iglew on Aug 25, 2011 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think Beane will stay, but not because he turns down the job.
I think somebody else will be offered the job first and will accept, though I do think Beane would be a strong and seriously considered candidate.
Having said that, I would be fine either way. It has seemed to me for awhile that Forst is the one really running the majority of the show anyway, with only occasional input/correction from Beane. Beane strikes me as one of those people who bores easily, and that he may have actually been in this position for far too long considering his personality. The soccer interest doesn’t help dissuade me from this thought. It may be the best thing for him to have a new team and a new challenge.
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~Humphrey Bogart
There are rumblings about Friedman
He’d be about the only other GM I’d consider. I guess Epstein and Anthopolous too, but nothing has been said about them.
by Rebuilding Season on Aug 25, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Friedman would probably go to the Astros before the A's
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 25, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I basically agree with this, except I'd like to see someone other than Beane or Forst in Oakland
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 25, 2011 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Man I really Billy
I’ve always have had a heightened sense of optimism about the A’s each year just because he’s there. If he leaves, the A’s will feel like any other of the many franchises which disappoint me on a year in year out basis.
What did i tell you...didn't I say they would win? Yeah that's right I did didn't ? Wait.. what? They LOST?!?!?
really like Billy
What did i tell you...didn't I say they would win? Yeah that's right I did didn't ? Wait.. what? They LOST?!?!?
I'm wondering if his ownership stake is actually a reason TO leave
Presumably, he would have to sell it to leave, and presumably, that investment has appreciated since it was made.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
To add to that incomplete thought
Last year was the first year it depreciated. He may have reason to believe that he would be selling high.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
I just don't see Billy leaving
I could be wrong of course but there have been many times that he and I have chatted with the recorder off and he just loves the mellow nature of the GM position in Oakland. He loves coming to work in flip flops, shorts and bringing his dogs into the office with him. He loves his relationship with Lew Wolff whereas both of them are almost always on the same exact page.
If he did consider leaving it’s because he truly believes the stadium issue will never be resolved and that he will never have the opportunity to play with a larger budget and see what he could do. I know that one thing that drives BB is challenges but the challenge in Oakland has almost become unmanageable. I recently saw somewhere that the number of teams in MLB with payrolls over $100 million has ballooned to something like 14 teams whereas it was like 5 or 6 just a few short years ago. And I can’t imagine how frustrating it must be to try and get free agents like Beltre and Berkman every year only to be turned down largely because of the stadium situation.
All that being said, I would truly be depressed beyond belief if Billy left. I still think he’s one of the smartest minds in baseball and, above all that, a fantastic person.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Aug 25, 2011 3:53 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I can see those circrumstances happening though
Beane himself has said that the gap for low budget teams is getting smaller and smaller; maybe he feels like he just can’t compete since we the stadium issue is going nowhere.
by Rebuilding Season on Aug 25, 2011 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I wonder, though
Billy likes the atmosphere, the lack of pressure, and gets along with Wolff. But you have to wonder if that’s enough anymore, especially without family considerations keeping him here.
If he goes to the Cubs, there will be big expectations and a lot of pressure. But he also would have the tantalizing possibility of being the guy to lead the Cubs to a World Series championship. That’s got to be very tempting, especially with the outlook in Oakland looking iincreasingly grim.
When Billy turned down the Red Sox job, he still came back to a good A’s team and didn’t have years of stadium frustration and free agents turning the team down.
Beane might decide to stay anyway, or the Cubs might end up offering the job to someone else. But if he left, I really couldn’t blame him. And yes, despite my criticisms of him in recent years, it would be a very bad thing if he left.
I have no idea or even an educated guess
if Billy will stay or go, but since he often has gone against the conventional wisdom, maybe he will actually go. I still believe he is among the top 5 GMs. It will hurt if he goes, but make for interesting trades in the future.
The hope would be that Forst had learned enough
from Billy that he would understand how to move forward without him. My guess would be Forst would wind up as the GM.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Aug 25, 2011 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions
To all the Beane haters
What is it you really blame him for? Not making the playoffs since 06? Not going farther in the postseason from 00-06? The Tejada/Chavez thing? Carlos Gonzales?
The only thing I blame him for was counting on Eric Chavez to play 3B from 07—09. He should have had a better back up plan. Everything else was bad luck.
The cards are increasingly stacked against us, it's becoming really depressing being an A's fan.
WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?!
by true torture on Aug 25, 2011 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes
Not making the playoffs since 06?
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz.
~Humphrey Bogart
Me too, and crappy team of today, as well as the crappy farm system of today.
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 28, 2011 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm having a really hard time watching or listening to them this year.
About since May. I’m paying attention, but the level of my activity regarding the team is at a low. I’m just not feeling it.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz.
~Humphrey Bogart
Though my A's fanship has sort of died off
(I did very much enjoy going to see last Saturday’s Jays-A’s game, however) Billy Beane is one of the major reasons I became obsessed with baseball. Though my love of baseball is certainly more on the transaction side, that doesn’t mean I don’t love the sport, and I have Billy to thank for that. On one hand, as a huge fan of his it would be amazing to see him work with the kind of capital the Cubs job would provide. On the other, I would much prefer to see him at the helm of the next great A’s team. The only problem is, I don’t know when that next great team is going to come. I don’t think any of us do, and that includes Billy. I think he’s a great GM, and no matter what he does the rest of the way in his career he’ll likely wind up in the HoF.
I want the plaque to read “Spent entire career as A’s GM”, however.
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Beane in the HOF?
Hmm, that’s a long shot my friend. Not a whole lot of executives have made it in the HOF. He hasn’t won anything in all his years with the A’s, and this whole MoneyBall thing makes for an interesting book and movie but HOF material? I think Charlie Finley would be an interesting choice for the HOF, but won;t make it. Steinbrenner has done more bad for the game than good IMO
So, Beane has a contract until 2014.
Lew hasn’t been approached by the Cubs to allow Beane to interview.
“I would never inhibit anybody from bettering themselves because of a contract,” said Wolff, who had lunch with Beane on Wednesday and said no team has called regarding his GM.
John Shea, SF gate piece here.
Oh, no disagreement there.
I’m just saying that all of you are talking like Beane is discussing this with his family to get ready for a move.
He’s not. It isn’t even close to that yet, and though Beane would be desirable for a lot of teams, there are still people who are considered more likely to even be offered the job and would be easier to get.
by LoneStranger on Aug 26, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
it’s super-speculative all around, for sure. but doors are probably open if there’s real interest. gets even opener in that article when it mentions that even if the cubs don’t go for beane, filling the cubs’ job might create a vacuum somewhere else for beane to fit into. speculation knows no end.
I haven't seen or heard the report, but someone on newballpark.org said a little bit ago
that they heard on the radio Beane was granted permission to talk to the Cubs.
by LoneStranger on Aug 26, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Still can't find a report anywhere, and Susan Slusser didn't respond to my tweet asking if she had heard anything.
by LoneStranger on Aug 26, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
i just want you to know… we’re all counting on you.
(anything yet?)
by AV on Aug 27, 2011 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions
nada.
I think it’s a case of someone miss-hearing something on the radio that probably wasn’t even understood by the host when it was spoken, and more likely intentionally worded to build up the topic.
by LoneStranger on Aug 27, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm fine with Beane moving on
Sandy Alderson had his run, and he moved on. Beane had his run. Lets see what Forst can do. Also, with Forst, we might get a manager who has a temperment similar to LaRussa. We need a manager to put a foot in the ass of this someitmes lethargic team. A Beane lap dog can’t get it done (Why the heck didn’t you slide Giambi? Foot in ass).
I'm willing to bet that a big chunk of what we see is actually initiated/done by Forst.
by LoneStranger on Aug 27, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Ya, I'm not at all excited by the prospect of Forst...or even the reality of Forst
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 28, 2011 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Can't judge Forst
We don’t really know what he is making decisions on and not.
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by cuppingmaster on Aug 30, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
of at forst you don't succed,
try, try agaon.
Being wrong about something you’ve worked on is a blessing, not a curse, and people are so invested in being right that that gets lost. —Graham MacAree
Beane needs to find something new in terms of finding undervalued stats that help us win because Moneyball has not worked for many years here now
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That word... I don't think it means what you think it means.
by LoneStranger on Aug 27, 2011 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it does actually mean what you think it doesn't mean
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 28, 2011 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it means burrito in english
Kiper+Fosse=Mute
by CorpseOfChavez on Aug 28, 2011 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions
How do you say burrito in Spanish?
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 29, 2011 8:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Burro is a donkey, so burrito is a little donkey
There are various theories of how the food got its name. One suggests that the original taco truck was a pack burro.
Being wrong about something you’ve worked on is a blessing, not a curse, and people are so invested in being right that that gets lost. —Graham MacAree
sorta begs the question, how did “taco” get its name? and is it related to the food item named “huarache?” (taco is spanish for heel.)
Made from meat that was on the floor, and ground under the heels?
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