Adios, Kouz
by hero66 on Aug 23, 2011 1:41 PM PDT
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PrintIn a completely expected turn of events, the A's traded Kevin Kouzmanoff today to the Rockies. Before you start ordering your Ian Stewart jerseys, MLBTR says it's for a PTBNL or cash, so if we do get a player in return I'd expect it to be a Bruce Billings-type guy.
This rivals Alex Anthopolous' acquisition of a draft pick in exchange for a bad player with a bad contract as the least shocking news of the day.
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Thanks for making Jack Hannahan look like a major league hitter, Kouz!
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
Thanks for making ME look like a major leaguy hitter, Kouz!
A Kouzmanoff for the rest of us!
by OptimistPrime on Aug 23, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I think that we posted at the exact same time
http://www.athleticsnation.com/2011/8/23/2380161/kouzmanoff-to-rockies
Jack Cust: Nothing but true results…. career .813 OPS
by Athletics fan and runner on Aug 23, 2011 1:46 PM PDT reply actions
Well
there was the discussion in dan’s thread, this fanpost, and your fanshot, so I’d say we have the Kouz news covered.
"BA doesn't stand for Batting Average. It’s Brandon Allen, as in the percentage of a hitter’s worth compared to Brandon Allen. Ted Williams, at his best, was only 4/10th of the hitter Brandon Allen is today." - YonYonson
athletics nation
we are ontop of things.
Jack Cust: Nothing but true results…. career .813 OPS
by Athletics fan and runner on Aug 23, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
my comments were brief so I can just post my comment here and delete my fanshot.
“Good for Mr. Kouzmanoff. He said all the right things when he was sent down, played about as well as he could have potentially played, and now might get another shot.
I don’t imagine that we will get anything of value in return for him at this point but I would be interested to see who we get back if it is not for cash considerations.
Good for him. I hope he does well at the big league level against the Giants especially. "
Jack Cust: Nothing but true results…. career .813 OPS
by Athletics fan and runner on Aug 23, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I had high hopes for him when he was traded to the A's, but it never panned out.
I have no bad feelings toward him. I wish him the best.
JJ Martin
The best way to catch a knuckleball is to wait until the ball stops rolling and then pick it up. ~Bob Uecker
Why would anyone involved be disappointed?
The A’s didn’t want him anymore, and this will allow him a good shot at getting back into the show. Win-win for everyone.
"Trying not to rec a "F**k the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."
watch. he'll post a 1000 ops and elcroata will have to make a god on the mountain 2 post.
the artist formerly known as inbillywetrust
WooHoo! I'm leading an AN poll!
"Trying not to rec a "F**k the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."
And it isn't a poll for whom should be banned
"Trying not to rec a "F**k the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."
To be honest, I voted for the A's.
It had to be a big disappointment, that a player they invested that much in didn’t work out the way they wanted. I’m sure they were hoping he would improve, rather than regress.
"Trying not to rec a "F**k the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."
kouz was always going to be temporary. the a's are probably more sad that they don't have a great replacement for kouz.
the artist formerly known as inbillywetrust
So you are saying the real disappointment is that BB didn't prepare for a better replacement?
"Trying not to rec a "F**k the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."
i dunno if beane thought he had more time or what, but the timing of kouz's poor year seems to have caught them unprepared.
for better or worse, sizemore’s chief attribute seems to be that he’s not kouz.
the artist formerly known as inbillywetrust
he does seem to be more of a sideways move more than anything else.
We still don’t have a true fixture at 3rd in our future.
"Trying not to rec a "F**k the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."
I just assume that the one thing they thought they could count on Kouz for was defense
Which, at the beginning of the season at least, looked atrocious.
"Once you go Bed....everything else is dead." - Bed
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by cuppingmaster on Aug 24, 2011 6:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Hope you didn't take any offense
completely in jest
"BA doesn't stand for Batting Average. It’s Brandon Allen, as in the percentage of a hitter’s worth compared to Brandon Allen. Ted Williams, at his best, was only 4/10th of the hitter Brandon Allen is today." - YonYonson
Of course I take offense. You guys are always picking on me.
You and your $!%#%$ STATS!!! I KNOW Kouz is a great 3rd baseman. JUST USE YOUR EYES!!!
( Yes, I know it’s all in fun. Good call, hero66.)
"Trying not to rec a "F**k the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."
For a second I thought this was a John Donne poem:
For whom the ban polls,
It polls for thee
Ack! subject line please!
Being wrong about something you’ve worked on is a blessing, not a curse, and people are so invested in being right that that gets lost. —Graham MacAree
MA!! MEATLOAF!!
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by EddieVegas_NRAF on Aug 24, 2011 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
KOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUZ!
I had to get it out of my system one last time. Regardless of his performance, the A’s are losing one of the game’s “nice guys”. Good luck to him in Colorado.
"Trying not to rec a "F**k the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."
This.
Your 2011 Athletics:
You can't spell Athletics without an "E".
by MrMoneyBaller on Aug 23, 2011 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Best of luck, Kouz
I’ve watched and listened to the perfect game often enough that my memories of Kouz are rosier than reality would dictate. I hope the Colorado atmosphere does as well for him as it’s done for Mark, Huston, and Jason. (Hey, maybe one of them is the PTNBL!)
M-A, M-A-R, M-A-R-K, Ell-is!
can we afford his contract? boy mark ellis cooled way off after his hot start in colorado. stinky.
the artist formerly known as inbillywetrust
Nah
Tulo
"If you wrote something for which someone sent you a check, if you cashed the check and it didn't bounce, and if you then paid the light bill with the money, I consider you talented." —Stephen King
Trade of homesick infielders
Don't you realise you'll find next monday or next Tuesday/Your golden shoes day
by PDXAthleticsfan on Aug 24, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
i wish kouz lots of luck
now the rockies have our Kouzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz and our Unicorn.
Farewell Kouz
You were bad enough to make me yearn for the days of Adam Kennedy.
MexicAN AmericAN VegAN
Me and my wife flew to boston for the seiries at fenway this year out of all the
players we tried to talk to(right up on the field during warm ups) kouz and gio were the only ones who didnt just straight up ignore us. gio took a pic with us and signed our hats. kouz shook our hands signed our hats and spoke top us for like 10 min. it was really cool and he was a super nice guy( my wife told him to rope one and he did). no matter what struggles he had he was an awesome guy. unlike alot of our more productive players and some less productive. so from a fan, one more KKKKKKKKKKKKOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!
One observation I want to add to the discussion
Especially considering he was a 4-year major league player who undoubtedly once thought he had established himself as a big leaguer and left his minor league days behind, Kouz was the consummate professional about being sent back to AAA.
He did what every player should do, but many cannot do: Shut up, be gracious, and play well enough that someone will want you. I respect him a lot for that.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Aug 23, 2011 10:21 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
It's the money, stupid.
Kouz was still getting paid his major league salary as in his contract, so why would he have any reason to act unprofessional? Isn’t that the purpose of having a contract, knowing you are protected financially regardless of whatever decision your team made on you?
by EstadosUnidos on Aug 23, 2011 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Because players, being human and full of ego like most humans are,
often sabotage their own interests and mouth off or sulk, or both? (That’s my answer, stupid.)
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Aug 24, 2011 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
+46!
Great answer, Nico. Kouz showed a lot of class and humility in his demotion. He worked hard to get back.
"Trying not to rec a "F**k the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."
Listen, IDIOT
You can bet the A’s were looking at Kouz’s contract with a fine tooth comb to see if they can avoid paying him after sending him down to minors. Any bad behavior from Kouz and the A’s would have cause to cut him and not pay him. You have to be dumb as a summer squash to think Kouz’s contract has nothing to do with his behavior. By acting up, Kouz would lose his salary and any hope for a future contract with another team.
by EstadosUnidos on Aug 24, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
flagged
There’s really no reason for name calling.
Don't you realise you'll find next monday or next Tuesday/Your golden shoes day
by PDXAthleticsfan on Aug 24, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This sentence is incorrect.
Any bad behavior from Kouz and the A’s would have cause to cut him and not pay him.
Of course, I’m idiot #2, so readers can decide whether they think I know more than you do.
Being wrong about something you’ve worked on is a blessing, not a curse, and people are so invested in being right that that gets lost. —Graham MacAree
As idiot #1, I'm honored to be in such great company, iglew.
"Trying not to rec a "F**k the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."
Hey guy that still uses BA and RBI in every argument,
go away.
"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime
name calling
is a no no. This is athleticsnation and not yahoo.com’s comment section.
And calling him names does not do anything but make your argument look weak.
flagged.
Jack Cust: Nothing but true results…. career .813 OPS
by Athletics fan and runner on Aug 25, 2011 6:14 AM PDT up reply actions
You can ask the same question in reverse.
Kouz will still get paid full salary according to his contract regardless, so why would he have any reason not to act like a jackass? He could mouth off against the organization and play like a slacker and still get his $4.75 million. He chose to be professional instead. That’s the point.
Being wrong about something you’ve worked on is a blessing, not a curse, and people are so invested in being right that that gets lost. —Graham MacAree
Listen, IDIOT #2
All contracts have behavior clause in them. By acting up, Kouz woukd have given the A’s precisely what they wanted, i.e. not having to pay him.
by EstadosUnidos on Aug 24, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Those clauses are completely unenforceable
unless you break a bat over your knee and attempt to stab someone to death with it.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
are...are you ok?
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I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Hung like a stud field mouse, eh?
"Trying not to rec a "F**k the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."
More like a snuffleupagus.
It’s huge, but it turns out only big bird can see it.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Seriously
How is this guy still around?
2011 Oakland Athletics: We have Cy Young pitchers and make yours look like it, too
He's not.
The banning wand was waved yesterday.
Being wrong about something you’ve worked on is a blessing, not a curse, and people are so invested in being right that that gets lost. —Graham MacAree
it is safe to say
that Kouz was more classy in his demotion than was E U in his comments.
Jack Cust: Nothing but true results…. career .813 OPS
by Athletics fan and runner on Aug 25, 2011 6:16 AM PDT up reply actions
In proper Spanish
that’s EEUU, not EU ;-)
2011 Oakland Athletics: We have Cy Young pitchers and make yours look like it, too
Yes, but EEUU didn't have a guaranteed contract, EEDIOT!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Amen. Totally classy.
Being wrong about something you’ve worked on is a blessing, not a curse, and people are so invested in being right that that gets lost. —Graham MacAree
Easy win for us. Love that Beane made that deal.
Kouzmanoff: 3.2 WAR + whatever we get for him
Sogard: -0.1 WAR + still with us
Hairston: 0.1 WAR
Cunningham: 0.8 WAR + still with them
Trade won….unless Cunningham goes berserk and Sogard is terrible. Could happen, but Kouz was so good last year that trade is one you always make. Hairston is such a mediocre talent, the deal was basically Kouz for Cunningham, you’d think 3Bs are harder to come by than OFs….so, yeah.
Kouz so far 0-4 with a K in his Rockies debut.
Don't you realise you'll find next monday or next Tuesday/Your golden shoes day
by PDXAthleticsfan on Aug 24, 2011 2:21 PM PDT reply actions
i guess we can hold off on the God on the Mountain, Part 2 piece?
the artist formerly known as inbillywetrust
Almost like BA's 0-2 /2ks his first day in Oakland.
"Trying not to rec a "F**k the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."
Expect him to start launching 400+ foot home runs in about two weeks.
Don't you realise you'll find next monday or next Tuesday/Your golden shoes day
by PDXAthleticsfan on Aug 24, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
uh, sure. wanna bet if he has an 1100 ops after 40 plate appearances?
the artist formerly known as inbillywetrust
About as sure as you are that Brandon will in the next 40?
"Trying not to rec a "F**k the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."
That wasn't my question, though.
"Trying not to rec a "F**k the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."
Aw, come on! That is unfair. You want me to make a bet that Kouz plays better than Allen ever was in his career,
before this stretch. Of course he won’t. And neither will BA.
"Trying not to rec a "F**k the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."
that's why i changed the question, which you also didn't answer.
the artist formerly known as inbillywetrust
Answer the first question.
Now, do you want to bet that Brandon keeps this up for the next 40?
"Trying not to rec a "F**k the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."
i changed the question to next 40 at bats or plate appearances for both guys. who does better?
do i think brandon allen can keep up an 1100 ops? given that the next 20 at bats come against the yankees and the bosox? probably not. but he’ll comfortably beat kouz in each of their 40 plate appearances.
the artist formerly known as inbillywetrust
SEE? They fear the KOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUZ!
"Trying not to rec a "F**k the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."
Heh. Walk off WP.
Don't you realise you'll find next monday or next Tuesday/Your golden shoes day
by PDXAthleticsfan on Aug 24, 2011 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Kouz
if you can just stick it to the Giants when you play them, that would make me like you again.
Re-sign Josh Willingham now!
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