Offense Comes Alive!
by danmerqury on Aug 16, 2011 10:12 PM PDT
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Who needs pitching, when you have this offense?
A's starter Guillermo Moscoso was more than serviceable, allowing 3 runs (1 unearned, more on that later) over 6 innings, while striking out 4 and walking only 1. Not a fantastic start, but I'll take it. His location was quite good, and his pitches were catching Baltimore's batters off guard all night. Interestingly, it looks like he's mixed in a new pitch that looks something like a splitter. He started using it two weeks ago on the 30th, and it has a nice velocity differential of about 5 mph from his fastball. Something to keep an eye out for, to be sure.
Brian Matusz walked into this game with an 8.77 ERA, and for a while, it looked like he was going to raise it even higher. After a quick first inning, he allowed three hits (two doubles) and two walks, only ending the inning after Pennington was tagged out at home on a beautiful play by C Matt Wieters. All in all, it was 3 runs allowed in the inning, and he allowed another run in the next inning by way of a solo shot to LF by Josh Willingham. And then...he settled down, retiring 11 of the next 13 batters he faced (immediately wiping out those lone 2 with double plays on both). His overall line of 6 runs allowed looks bad, but that's only because he was relieved by Troy Patton, who immediately allowed a 2 RBI double to Coco Crisp. Yay for bizarre inherited runner rule quirks!
Speaking of Baltimore's bullpen, they didn't have a very good night. Patton allowed 3 runs (including the 2 inherited ones), and Chris Jakubauskas allowed yet another, to bring the final score to 8-4, Athletics. Not a bad night for the A's. Now if only they could score like this on a consistent basis.
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What happened to Penningtons "plus" speed. Even though Jones does have a strong arm, that fly seemed to be
deep enough for him to score. He seems to get out on the basepaths a lot this year.
nah, it was just a fucking fantastic play by Weiters.
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I maintain that if Matsui had told Penny to slide on the dugout side, he would have been passed the tag
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by cuppingmaster on Aug 17, 2011 7:10 AM PDT up reply actions
A Mixture Of Things
Good throw, great tag, and Penny sliding in front of Weiters. From the angle I see it, if he had slide behind Matt , then he would have had a better chance to make it to home, as that would be a hard tag to make.
He seemed forced to the inside
by where Wieters had to go to get the ball, particularly since he was running towards the field side of the line. It didn’t seem like he really had a path to get behind Wieters.
by longtimeasfan on Aug 17, 2011 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
speaking of HR's
anyone willing to take bets on when our whiz kid, Jamile Weeks, gets his first HR? Not that it matters any; he’s doing so many things right. He just doesn’t look like he’ll avg 2 HR’s a season.
Re-sign Josh Willingham now!
by sf drift king on Aug 17, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm actually not worried about it,
but he’ll probably hit one before the year is out. I would prefer he work on turning those double plays without errors first.
by LoneStranger on Aug 17, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
it matters
he needs the outfielders to move back and he needs pitcher to start nibbling more. He only has 10 walks
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Alternative recap
A’ win; Angels lose; Giants lose, fall behind, mourn excruciating deaths of half of the players.
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by elcroata on Aug 16, 2011 10:29 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I called it a few weeks ago
The Giants will not make the playoffs this year! I love it. The pitching can’t hold up and they didn’t make enough moves to improve their Offense. Meanwhile, the D’Backs remain underrated.
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Aug 16, 2011 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions
They still have a negative run differential on the season
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
One of the toughest things to do is to repeat something when you don't know how you did it before.
The Giants last year just weren’t actually all that good. They played over their own heads and got lucky too.
Yes, they upgraded the team a bit this year and Sandoval turned it back on, which adds offense.
But for a team of their skill just making the playoffs will be an accomplishment, winning in the playoffs a difficult task.
I think it's also just flat out injuries
The Giants were extremely fortunate (or skilled, however you look at “health”), and this year took a huge blow losing Posey, plus F. Sanchez, Sandoval for a good chunk. Lately they’ve been without their 2-3-4 hitters. A meh hitting team can hardly afford that.
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Well, it's Aug. 17 and they're 3.5 back
let’s not get too excited folks. They were 6 games back on August 26th or so last year and they won it all. I want them to fail too…..I just think it’s a little too early to start celebrating
All I wanted was a Pepsi
I don't have any reason to celebrate.
I don’t hate the Giants. I just don’t think they’ll do as well this year as last, despite upgrading their team.
i really lilke what BA is bringing to the team
he looks confident in the field and at the plate. looks like he knows what he’s doing. in other words, he looks like a PLAYER!!!!!
Good Win
Moscoso was decent, and a strong offensive performance. Overall nice. Great to see Willingham hit his 30th homer, and Allen has looked good so far.
30?
I wish!
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by cuppingmaster on Aug 17, 2011 7:10 AM PDT up reply actions
He could reach 30
1.5 Months of Garbage Baseball remains.
by Colorado Fan on Aug 17, 2011 7:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Willingham Hasn't Been Good In September
14 career homers in that month. Still, if he goes on another homer tear, hitting, say 5 every 10 games, then he would have a chance.
Yep,
he’s playing for his next contract, so it could happen. The A’s blew it when they didn’t at least tender him a contract earlier in the season. Now it will cost them to keep him.
Re-sign Josh Willingham now!
by sf drift king on Aug 17, 2011 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Why play CJ is the question
Now that Aleen is producing and playing good D it is time to say he is the everyday 1b. Jackson goes to the bench or waiver wire. Why the A’s keep playing DeJesus I do not know given that arbitration should not be given and nobody is goi9ng to give up a draft pick for a guy who is a 4th outfielder. Bring Taylor up and the A’s are ready for 2012.
It's probably because
Bob2 use to coach Cojax in AZ, and wants to give him another shot to redeem himself after his bout with valley fever.
by sf drift king on Aug 17, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Did anyone ever figure out why Brandon Allen was wearing 51 during the team photo instead of 31?
He wore 31 during the game. And I couldn’t really find Braden. Was he in there?
Brandon Allen is actually numbers 31-51 inclusive
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by Nico on Aug 17, 2011 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
When Brandon Allen retires
the A’s will have to start handing out uniforms with imaginary numbers.
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by PDXAthleticsfan on Aug 17, 2011 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions
I think the A's should give Allen #8
and then have him wear his jersey sideways.
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by Nico on Aug 17, 2011 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Holy Cats, this is awesome.
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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Aug 17, 2011 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I am so sick of the Brandon Allen/Chuck Norris stuff, and I didn't even go into that 1k comment post about it.
by LoneStranger on Aug 17, 2011 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Chuck Norris wears Brandon Allen pajamas to bed at night.
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by Tutu-late on Aug 17, 2011 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
How about some Brandon Allen/Ultimate Warrior stuff?
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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Aug 17, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I thought the thread was fun, but
am I the only one who never heard of this with Chuck Norris? I didn’t understand any of the Chuck Norris references.
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That makes you a lucky one.
I found it strange that all of the Chuck Norris stuff started after he got too old to really be awesome.
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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Aug 17, 2011 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Neither have I.
I was wondering what they were talking about.
"Trying not to rec a "Fuck the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."
Who was 31 in the photo then?
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by cuppingmaster on Aug 17, 2011 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions
They took the photo yesterday, and it appeared in the Coors Light HD picture thing that they do on CSN.
Brandon Allen is wearing 51 for that, but 31 for the game. Of course, Brandon Allen didn’t show up until after Ziggy left.
by LoneStranger on Aug 17, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
he was replaced with a 31 that has had a few more sammiches
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I've been away for the last couple weeks
so there might have been some talk about Jai Miller, idk.. But I’m kinda surprised that there isn’t more support from AN to bring this kid up. The guy has pop, which we lack. And I’m also intrigued by his story – he could be another late bloomer like Pena and Cruz.
The only way ppl like me will go and buy more tix than the one’s we already have is too see guys like Miller and perhaps Recker, Taylor, among others, play. I’m sick of watching those tired AB’s from Suzuki, DDJ, and the like. Bring up some fresh, hungry bats please.
The problem with Miller is that he would probably strike out 250 times a year in the majors.
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I agree, mikev, that the odds are against him.
However, isn’t he just the type of low risk player that teams like the A’s need to gamble on? He may just confound the predictions. I say, give him a legitimate shot this September, and find out.
"Trying not to rec a "Fuck the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."
Sure, it's just that no one should have expectations for anything but K's
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by cuppingmaster on Aug 17, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
I understand. I can live with that outcome for the remainder of this season.
We may find him to be another Raul Ibanez type.
"Trying not to rec a "Fuck the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."
Yeah, I think he sucks and even I (even me?) think he should get a shot.
Why? Because there’s hitting 20 HRs and having a really good “old for your league” season, and there’s hitting 30 HRs and having a freakishly great season. Granted, the K numbers probably tell the real story, but when the big league team has little offense and no power, you’d think he’d at least be rewarded with a shot.
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I don't want to burn a 40-man roster spot
On some guy who has shown no attributes other than a propensity to strikeout. There are a lot of guys I’d consider cutting lose on this club, but none for Miller.
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Sure, and I don't mind him getting a shot.
But we do this every damn year, and people are always convinced it’s gonna work, and it never does. Tommy Everidge and the Matts come to mind.
"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime
So did Jack Cust
but he was beloved by AN, despite all his K’s and embarrassing called K3-looking.
by sf drift king on Aug 17, 2011 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I was supportive of bringing of Miller as well in some posts yesterday
….at which point I was lambasted for even considering the notion that we should sacrifice Dejesus’ at bats in favor of Jai. The thinking is, that we could lose a 2nd round pick as a result. Meh….we could also stumble across a Mark Reynolds or Adam Dunn for cheap. Yes, Reynolds is batting .200, but he also has 27 hr’s and is on a first place team.
All I wanted was a Pepsi
How is DeJesus
worth a 2nd round pick?
by sf drift king on Aug 17, 2011 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't recall exactly
look at my posts yesterday. A couple of posters explained this
All I wanted was a Pepsi
I think a "supplemental" pick was meant
"Trying not to rec a "Fuck the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."
basically, this is how it breaks down if DDJ is a type B FA
If a winning team signs him, apparently they give up a 2nd round pick and we get a supplemental pick. If a losing team signs him, we just get the supplemental pick (sandwich). So a losing team could sign him and not give up a pick.
We have to offer arbitration or we do not get the pick.
by Billy Frijoles on Aug 17, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
actually it was explained to me yesterday and I am just going off of memory...I hope this is right!
by Billy Frijoles on Aug 17, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Close but not quite.
See below.
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No, Type B free agents don't garner anything but sandwich picks.
You only give up a draft pick if you sign a type A
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oh so I am wrong...dammit why is this so confusing?
Thanks for clearing it up.
by Billy Frijoles on Aug 17, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
The CBA rivals the US tax codes
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by Tutu-late on Aug 17, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Having sampled both, I would say not.
Similar style, but the tax codes are much much bigger.
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Well, yeah, but the infused confusion is almost intended
"Trying not to rec a "Fuck the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."
Type A: Draft pick from team who signs him+ Sandwich pick
Type B: Sandwich pick only
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gotcha...and type A if a winning team signs him, you get their 1st rounder, and if a losing team signs him, you get their 2nd rounder, right?
by Billy Frijoles on Aug 17, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Not so much winning/losing
The top 16 picks are protected, the bottom 16 picks are not.
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it used to be worse when there were also Type C free agents lol
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I didn't know baseball had expanded to 32....
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Unless a same team signs two Type A agents
Then, obviously, there is only one first round pick to be had.
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And said "sandwich picks"
are created by MLB based on the number of type A and B signings?
by sf drift king on Aug 17, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
right.
One of the awesome things about the BBRef draft pages is that it tells you what picks were compensation picks and for what free agents.
For instance, The 2004 Draft will show you that we drafted Huston Street because Miguel Tejada left as a free agent and we got a comp pick for him leaving.
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interesting that Gio was a sandwich pick in that draft as well
There definitely is some value in the supplemental round…
by Billy Frijoles on Aug 17, 2011 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
So the team doesn't actually get a sandwich?
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They have a reasonable spread with cold cuts in the draft war room, I understand.
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by mikev on Aug 17, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
so what this boils down to is
the politics of baseball is keeping guys like Miller from being called up.. DDJ isn’t producing and has no future with us. Miller should be playing in his place, imo.
by sf drift king on Aug 17, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Ok you do realize that Miller would likely hit worse than DDJ, right?
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I'd cut the likely in that sentence.
Miller would hit worse than DDJ.
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That, and Miller's unwieldy K rate
And DDJ might have a future with us.
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by PDXAthleticsfan on Aug 17, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Why do ppl keep bringing up his K rate
when Cust was in the same boat when he got his shot.
by sf drift king on Aug 17, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Because they are playing the odds.
You are gambling on the upside.
"Trying not to rec a "Fuck the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."
Because he wasn't.
Cust put up good to great numbers EVERY YEAR in the minors.
Miller is having a good season now after being meh for most of his career.
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See mikev's post below
Cust was not in the same boat.
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by PDXAthleticsfan on Aug 17, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
You keep saying Cust struck out so much
But the difference was Cust was K’ing in the majors. As long as you hit, striking out is not a problem in itself. However, striking out in the minors can be indicative of the success as one moves higher up. Miller’s K rate in AAA suggests that he won’t hit in the majors.
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by vignette17 on Aug 17, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
there is the possibility that Miller has turned some kind of a corner this year
i.e. “he is finally putting it all together” or “late bloomer” type.
Not probable, but a possibility.
by Billy Frijoles on Aug 17, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah
again if it wasn’t for this compensation system weirdly incentivizing us to play the hell out of Coco and DDJ right now I think we would see Miller and Taylor up and taking most of their playing time.
by Billy Frijoles on Aug 17, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Yep...
if we deal Crisp or DDJ, then, sure, bring ‘em up. At this point, it doesn’t look like we’re competing in 2012 (strangely, more because of pitching than hitting), so I’d rather take the draft picks.
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by PDXAthleticsfan on Aug 17, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
They are not similar at all
BB% K% AB/HR Jai Miller (Minors through age 25) 31 11 25 Jack Cust (Minors through age 25) 26 19 20
Jack Cust, in same age and similar levels had significantly more power, less strikeouts and more walks.
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Did you flip their names, there?
The other difference is that Jai Miller has some defensive value. Which Cust didn’t.
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also speed on the basepaths, which counts for something
But doesn’t count for much if you never get on base.
by Billy Frijoles on Aug 17, 2011 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
And it helps a lot less when you strike out a third of the time.
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He might beat a dropped strike three
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Uh, do you have the headings swapped?
"Trying not to rec a "Fuck the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."
yes, basically, if there was no potential draft pick at play, I don't see any reason why DDJ would still be here and starting.
This draft pick compensation system is stupid. I think at least Taylor should be up and playing instead of DDJ.
Miller, not sure about, but Taylor really deserves to play.
There is a real need to see what we have in Taylor and we are pissing around with Crisp and DDJ just because of this draft pick compensation b.s.
by Billy Frijoles on Aug 17, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Reynolds is on a last place team
The one we’re playing right now. You’re right, though, that if Miller turned into a Mark Reynolds who could play a respectable center field and was making the league minimum that would be a pretty valuable player for 2012.
by Glorious Mundy on Aug 17, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh....ha ha!
Correct! I now suffer from dimentia and he is still on the Destiny Back’s in my world.
All I wanted was a Pepsi
Cust in the minors had 1269K in 4940PA (25.6%), along with a .429 OBP/.945 OPS
Miller has 1121K in 3661PA (30.5%), along with a .328 OBP/752 OPS.
There is literally no comparison between the two. At all. This is Miller’s best season by far as a minor leaguer at age 26 with a .993 OPS, and he still only has a .375 OBP, and his BABIP is .400
It would be great if he came up and hit, but expecting anything other than a shitload of strikeouts is a total mistake
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Okay,
Understood. I can see your argument more clearly. I’d still like to see the kid called up in Sept.
by sf drift king on Aug 17, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I don't mind if he comes up and plays, but he's very likely to totally suck
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And this seems to be the perfect year to find out.
"Trying not to rec a "Fuck the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."
Yeah. I expect him to be the first one up if Crisp is dealt on waivers or something like that.
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Now,
I hope he proves all of you wrong for your continuous insistance that he SUCKS. :)
by sf drift king on Aug 17, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm not saying he sucks. I'm saying it's very likely that he will suck in the majors
because of how much he strikes out in the minors
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We aren't saying his hitting sucks.
We are saying, that based on howhe fails, eg. strikeouts, he doesn’t have a good shot at success.
"Trying not to rec a "Fuck the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."
I am most definitely saying he sucks
You have me on record. He will make Jack Cust look as selective as Joe DiMaggio.
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by dwishinsky on Aug 17, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Still like to see it though
7 HRs in Sept… with 70Ks LOL
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by cuppingmaster on Aug 17, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
As I said yesterday
I am excited to see Jai Miller break Reggie Jackson’s career K mark in roughly 4 seasons of play. However, I’d like to see him do it for somebody else.
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Next spring, barring any huge FA signings, there really should be an open competition for pretty much every position on the roster.
I’m ready to hand Weeks 2B. If Allen keeps up his stellar play for the rest of the season, I would hand him 1B. But that’s it.
The rotation, bullpen, starting lineup, everything. I would love a NFL training camp style spring training next year, guys competing for jobs.
Miller should be given a chance like anyone else. If he wins it despite his propensity to strike out, then more power to him. That means he is excelling in other aspects of the game. He could be a TTO hitter with speed and excellent defense, which is intriguing.
by Billy Frijoles on Aug 17, 2011 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
I mostly agree with this
Weeks needs to be the 2bman until he proves otherwise. If Allen finishes the year as he’s playing now, then 1st should be his to lose. If Willingham signs, he is left field with the occasional DH. Everything else is up for grabs, including catcher.
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If Allen keeps this up, he should get a starting role on the team next year, but I wouldn't lock him into 1B ahead of time.
He’s supposed to be able to play COF, right? Given our lack of those guys next year, I would try him out there too. Perhaps I’m just being stubborn, but I still think Barton can be a good Major League 1B.
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by UrgentMirth on Aug 17, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
possibly. Can Barton learn 3B? Having competition for Sizemore would be good...
If Allen plays well the rest of the season I hesitate to remove him from a position that he is very comfortable at and hits and fields at a high level.
by Billy Frijoles on Aug 17, 2011 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't remember being this excited about an A's 1b man since G.
I certainly don’t remember feeling hyped about Barton. Could we have a legit guy at 1st? Too small a sample size to judge at this point, but his plate discipline looks good and he’s looks relaxed at 1st. Conor who?
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I bought into the Barton hype
do you remember when Barton got called up in Sept of 07 or 08? He lit it up that month, and I thought we were getting a gold glove, .300 hitting first baseman. Boy, was I ever wrong.
by sf drift king on Aug 17, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
A's hitting coaches happened.
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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Aug 17, 2011 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
But he doesn't hit HRz!
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Not this season he didn't
but that was probably as a result of his injury. He could still be a very good 1B, prob not with us if Allen continues his progression.
by sf drift king on Aug 17, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
One 5 WAR season
And two basically lost seasons. Fair to say he has yet to fulfill the promise he showed up through his Sept. callup.
by Glorious Mundy on Aug 17, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Personally, I think you're too stuck on "5 WAR season!"
If you believe he can be counted on to produce a .393 OBP, then sure. But if not, his 5 WAR season was really the combination of a small sample UZR “career year” combined with the best OBP season he’ll ever have.
Most likely, Barton is a .360 OBP guy, which is very good, but with very little slugging, very good range, and too many errors. Which has its legitimate pluses, but isn’t anything great.
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You are talking about what he is likely or not likely to do in the future
Whatever that assessment might be, it doesn’t change the fact that he indeed did have a 5 WAR season
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And Brett Boone had one over 9
One impressive season does not a great player make.
Comparing Boone and Barton is just a bad idea.
Since Boone possibly had “help.”
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by PDXAthleticsfan on Aug 17, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
You're missing a point
I am not saying that Barton is great, nor that he is awful. I am saying that you can not discard the fact that he had a great season, whatever the reasons behind it.
And Brett Boone is a bad comparison for many reasons, anyway.
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If one can believe that his 2011 problems are health related
than he is a 2.5-3.5 WAR player with a bat alone and an above average defender on top
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His OBP is .362 including his horrendous year this season and his rookie year in 2008.
Every year his OBP has been at least .100 over his average. I’d be more surprised if his OBP was .360 than if it was .390 again.
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of course, if he does that it'll probably be for like Toronto or Houston or something.
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Kuiper more than Fosse
Fosse is sometimes good in his analysis, but Kuiper has no idea how to keep him reined in, how to keep him from babbling about ancient history while there’s a game going on.
The way to see how bad these two are, as a team, is to listen to any other local broadcast anywhere in the country. It’s particularly disturbing if you’re watching TV in New York and listening to Mets broadcasts. But even the Giants broadcasters relay more information than Kuiper and Fosse.
And don’t get me started on the shilling for Francesco’s. I actually ate there once because some friends were staying at the airport hotel across the street. I won’t go back.
I don't mind Kuiper and Fosse
Agree with you on Fosse needing to at times be reined in, but… there are WAY worse local broadcast crews. While living in Detroit, the 2007 Tigers weren’t described by Rod Allen in all seriousness as having the “best lineup since the 1927 Yankees, maybe even better”, then theres Cleveland where Rick Manning as color guy proves the only thing he is adept at is getting the last out in perfect games and stealing teammates’ wives, the White Sox don’t even get me started, Seattle’s are terrible with Niehaus gone, Florida and Texas both use so many first names youd think theyre talking about a company softball game. We’re middle of the road, but I think Fosse has good insights.
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stealing teammate's wives. lol. not sure how many others know that about him.
I'm here to talk about the past.
I sure didn't know it, until I just looked it up
Poor Eck.
by Glorious Mundy on Aug 17, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Sounds like Eck handled it with grace
This old Gammons story makes me love him even more.
by Glorious Mundy on Aug 17, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll disagree...
There may be worse broadcast teams, and Fosse sometimes has good insights…
But I’m sick of turning on a game in the middle innings, seeing a player coming to the plate …. there’s nothing displayed on screen about who the player is or what he’s done, and Fosse is busy, egged on by Kuiper, telling yet another dull anecdote about an obscure baseball-related person that has nothing to do with baseball, the game, or anything else. And worse, sometimes during those periods, the director moves from the playing field to showing the two of them laughing and eating. The game is still going on - I’ve seen them miss hits, and once they even missed a run scoring (and had to catch up on replays). We may be middle of the road, but that’s only because the rest of the road is so badly rutted.
Clearly, they’re better than the Fox announcers, but that’s shooting fish in a barrel.
That's fair to say.
But yeah it could be worse.
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In a situation like that, I don't think "stealing" is the right word.
It’s not like she was an inanimate object who didn’t make a choice.
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I'm not a Manning fan so perhaps my use of stealing was to project my dislike for him.
But yes you are correct, takes two to tango
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are you sure?
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An office mate and I just go around saying this now
Instead of hello, it’s BOSTON RED SOX……And how are you today? BOSTON RED SOX…basically just doing it to poke fun at their ridiculous fashionable fan base.
All I wanted was a Pepsi
Lets, um... not do that here?
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by mikev on Aug 17, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
I hate that team, and their fans even more.
by sf drift king on Aug 17, 2011 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Ok so you are as annoying as a lot of their fans..anything else to say?
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seriously....fuck you guys! You can kiss my ass!!
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by debo79 on Aug 17, 2011 10:35 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
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by cuppingmaster on Aug 17, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
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[I have to rec this]
"Trying not to rec a "Fuck the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."
Me? Wow, you have me confused with someone who cares.
I have never flagged anyone. Ever. I just think what you are doing is weird, considering this is an A’s site.
"Trying not to rec a "Fuck the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."
Well, you replied to me...
"Trying not to rec a "Fuck the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."
I think "LS" is the operative word....
by Billy Frijoles on Aug 17, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, he did reply to me...
"Trying not to rec a "Fuck the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."
Yeah....was replying to you only to make a point to LS
a poorly executed plan on my part. In any case, it wasn’t directed at you. It was directed at the minority blog nazi’s who take this site way too seriously
All I wanted was a Pepsi
Quickly adding "offensive" to "annoying" there
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I guess you just can't get tone or context from typing in a blog
…so, my bad. The statement is not supportive of Bosox, in any form or fashion. Indeed, quite the opposite. I digress, it won’t happen again.
All I wanted was a Pepsi
Where am I at? I flagged and moved on.
by LoneStranger on Aug 17, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Just thought that since you were the spam police here big shot
you may want to dole out the justice even handedly. Maybe you didn’t see it as you busy policing some other portion of this blog. My bad.
All I wanted was a Pepsi
OK, before you dig yourself in a deeper hole than you already have
AN is a heck of a lot more than just a “blog.” It has become, or I suppose was always conceived of as a community. Many people here have spent many hours building it as such. As in any community, there are certain rules, written and unwritten about how to carry yourself. There also is a lot of self-policing, as well as a flagging system that is taken seriously.
Seeing a bunch of random “Boston Red Sox” posts without context is kind of like someone coming to your neighborhood and tagging every house on your street with the same. You’ve already admitted that it lacked context. Rather than getting defensive, you’d be much better off listening to the folks who have been here and contributed for awhile. And read what they have to say – you’ll learn a lot.
OK – I’m done.
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by PDXAthleticsfan on Aug 17, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
I don’t take exception to the rules or the constructive comments. I did explain the background however and someone with a better than 5th grade reading comprehesion should have gathered the context. That being the case, it’s not my fault that someone decided to comment on my postings before looking a few comments back at the explanation. That being said, i would like to offer an apology to anyone that I may have annoyed or offended. Didn’t mean to hijack the post, let’s move on.
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by elcroata on Aug 17, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Okay, so in Croatia
is it the middle-finger flipping-the-bird? the British V sign? Something else?
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Middle finger
And the “Bosnian Coat of Arms”, too.
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apology wasn't directed at you
I’m perfectly content to annoy you. I’ll make a point to do so as much as possible going forward ya fuckin squirrel.
All I wanted was a Pepsi
Okay, that's the second flag
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Really? On what basis?
I’m curious which part of the Community Guidelines you think I violated with my comment, for instance, about how Jai Miller’s tendency to K would reduce the value of his speed on the basepaths.
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Thanks, dan
But I actually was a bit curious to read his explanation of that one…
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Defending Jai Miller
Earns a flag from me. (it should at least) ;) haha
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What a dumb thing to go out for
I mean, “e-screaming” Boston Red Sox? Really? I mean make it worth while somehow haha.
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Now I'm sorry I was nice to him.
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by PDXAthleticsfan on Aug 17, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't be
I actually appreciated your effort. It was a proper thing to do, you couldn’t know how it would develop
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He showed a modicum of understanding in a couple of his posts...
so I thought I’d give him the benefit of the doubt.
Ah, well. Spoiled yeuts…
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by PDXAthleticsfan on Aug 17, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
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by cuppingmaster on Aug 17, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I had to do "it" again
"Trying not to rec a "Fuck the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."
I flagged this
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
and right you were
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others should flag it oo
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by gigglingone on Aug 17, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Good Bob
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Even when Jackson returns, it sounds like Allen could earn himself an everyday role if he continues to perform the way he has been.
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However
if his OPS drops bellow his current level of 1.340…
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When was the last time we had two players play themselves onto the team in the same year?
Hell, when was the last time we had one before Weeks?
by LoneStranger on Aug 17, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn! I missed the Bret Boone conversation!
One of the best Twins ever. And the bat flip was hilarious.
by player20 on Aug 17, 2011 12:02 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
No game thread yet?
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I guess we're using this one for now?
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 17, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
ask and you shall receive
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by gigglingone on Aug 17, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
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