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Recap: A's Bad, Game Painful, AN Drinks Heavily

Well, Rich Harden wasn't the answer.  The Rangers scored six runs on a wild pitch, two bases-loaded walks, a sacrifice fly and a two-run DeJesus error.  

It's like they are searching for new and interesting ways to lose.

How many of these recaps can we say the same thing? This A's team is really bad.  That Rangers team, as loaded with horrible human beings as they are, is really good.  They just kicked the A's collective asses for another three-game series. That was my thought process through the first five and a half innings, as the Rangers looked firmly in control.

But then a funny thing happened.

This team we follow may not be good or talented or overachieving.  Hell, they're not even all that bright.  But they're also not smart enough to know that they're beat.

The A's, especially the young A's, did not quit on this game and battled back to tie the game.

Star-divide

It was 6-6 going into the ninth.  Then the combination of Bailey and Noodle Arm decided that pinch runner Craig Gentry could just go ahead and take second.  A David Murphy single later, the Rangers had beaten the A's eight straight games, and sweep the A's at home.

It was a painful way to lose, in a season filled with painful losses.

With that in mind, instead of a recap, I offer you instead a clip from Wee Willie Winkie, the 1937 John Ford film, starring Shirley Temple, Victor McLaglen and a young Cesar Romero.  Instead of minimizing the atrocities of African American subjection, Temple here exploits the abuses of Colonization and makes light of all that is wrong in the world today.  According to the Youtube link: Priscilla (Shirley Temple) and her pal MacDuff (Victor McLaglen) talk about "the lad that ran through an old Scotch rhyme."

Shirley Temple - "Wee Willie Winkie" (via FilmPoems)

Ah, the joy!

[deep sigh]

There was no baseball game played today.  Go away now.

Positives:

  • Brandon Allen got his first hits and his first RBI as a member of the A's.  Here's hoping for many, many more.
  • Jemile Weeks continues to hit really well, despite being the evil, anti-Unicorn in the field. 
  • The Rangers leave town now.
  • There is not another A's game scheduled for today.
  • The A's haven't yet decided to come into the stands and track down fans at home and beat them about the head and neck with claw hammers.  Yet.
  • It was a nice teAse.  You tricked me again, A's.  Kudos to you. 
The A's continue their homestand tomorrow night with the Orioles coming to town. Game starts at 7:05.  If you can't make it to Oakland, we'll see you here!

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Yay baseball!

We yet enjoy little to be envied, but endure much to be pitied.-Thomas Dudley

by Future Ed on Aug 14, 2011 4:57 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm glad they made you a front page writer, Russell.

You’re doing a good job.

But seriously, folks....

by B-E-D on Aug 14, 2011 4:59 PM PDT reply actions  

yeah you are doing real well at it

your pregame was almost as good as a pregame can be for a meaningless, counting-the-days-til-it’s-over game and season.

"If we start getting into that sh*t, we might as well get out the plastic sheeting and have an orgy." --Gaijin Suketto

by emperor nobody on Aug 14, 2011 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

the game is immaterial

you worked Shirley Temple into the summary, and that’s what’s really important. Although I had no idea that Brandon Allen indeed wrote that song until now.

"If we start getting into that sh*t, we might as well get out the plastic sheeting and have an orgy." --Gaijin Suketto

by emperor nobody on Aug 14, 2011 5:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Shirley Temple...

is merely Brandon Allen’s stage name.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Aug 14, 2011 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

heya fuzzy bones

good to see ya!

"If we start getting into that sh*t, we might as well get out the plastic sheeting and have an orgy." --Gaijin Suketto

by emperor nobody on Aug 14, 2011 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Shoot, Brandon Allen played the role of Wee Willie Winkie in that movie.

Now, historians will tell you it was Shirley Temple, but that’s only because they’d then have to explain Brandon Allen’s time machine (and penchant for wearing the clothes of an eight year-old girl).

by Leopold Bloom on Aug 14, 2011 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brandon Allen transcends time and space.

During the Safeco All-Star Game, A-Rod insisted that Ripken play shortstop. Many people don’t remember that Ripken then gave his shortstop spot to Brandon Allen. Classy move.

by player20 on Aug 14, 2011 5:12 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Sad part is, they didn't bludgeon us like they did in their previous sweep.

This sweep was a slow, painful, drawn-out, dramatically long, torturous death. And it hurt.

by player20 on Aug 14, 2011 5:04 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

well, the death of a thousand cuts anyway

or maybe it is the cut of a thousand deaths, or did you confuse that with “cowards die 1000 deaths”?

"If we start getting into that sh*t, we might as well get out the plastic sheeting and have an orgy." --Gaijin Suketto

by emperor nobody on Aug 14, 2011 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am sick of losing to Texas

I know they are the better team, but they are getting a bit too smug for me. Wash or not I hope they get their asses kicked if they make the playoffs.

by RudiFan on Aug 14, 2011 5:29 PM PDT reply actions  

This is why I kind of hope its the Angels that go to the playoffs

Because everyone knows theyre not very good and theyre just hanging around because thats what they do, if they made the playoffs, you know for sure they aren’t taking down Boston or NY, and thats comforting.

by PL78 on Aug 14, 2011 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I dunno

They have the best starting staff out of any of the potential playoff teams in the AL and if they beat out Texas I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see them in the world series before they lose to the Phillies.

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Aug 14, 2011 5:44 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Ugh. Angels.

Gag me.

"Once you go Bed....everything else is dead." - Bed
"So you're saying we should skin the Rangers and wear them as uniforms? I’m down." - Kyli

by cuppingmaster on Aug 15, 2011 7:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

It feels like we lose no matter who makes the playoffs.

I just hope none of whichever AL East team plays the AL Central/Rangers/Angels/Giants make it past the first round. I feel like I’m going to be rooting against half the teams in the playoffs.

Get out the time-fracture wickets, Hobbes! We're gonna play Calvinball!

by UrgentMirth on Aug 15, 2011 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree. The smugness is very unappealing.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 14, 2011 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

How does a team get so smug so quickly?

The Yankees makes sense, the Sox have won a lot in recent somewhat warranting their chip, even the A-holes has enough of a hold on the West for a while to develop a sense of entitlement? But the Rangers? A virtually non entity for the better part of a century finally makes the series and they’ve got an overall sense of smugness that would make the cast of The Hills says “damn, their douchey”

by AsFan72 on Aug 14, 2011 6:26 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I said this last year

When many people here were saying they were rooting for the Rangers basically because it was someone other than the Angels.

I said something along the lines of ‘’It won’t take long for them to replace the Angels as the recipient of our hatred.’’

If it’s not our beloved A’s winning then we’re not going to like the other team no matter who it is. I remember hating the Mariners last decade and now I could give two shits about them. I’ll feel the same way next year about Texas when their pitching deserts them and all of their prospects stall ;-)

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Aug 14, 2011 7:15 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

For me, I don't think it's an automatic "I hate them because they win"

They really do act smug in a way I find irritating. And the lame “claw” thing they do makes me want to molest a herring.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 14, 2011 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

No matter what anyone says, I will always hate the Angels more.

Having lived in Southern California for 9 of the last 12 years, having suffered through many years of listening to Rex Hudler and Steve Physioc, having been screwed time and time again by the likes of Garrett Anderson and John Lackey, there is not much in this world that can sway my hatred of that team.

As for Texas, I just don’t feel like they’ll keep up what they are doing for a prolonged period of time. Maybe they will, but it will have to happen for me to believe it.

Q: Who is playing you in the movie about the ESPN book? I think it should be Adam Sandler — you both peaked 12 years ago.
— Timmy, Winchester, MA

- Simmons Mailbag, 8/5/11

by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Aug 14, 2011 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I will be rooting for Texas to win the division over the slegnA

I will be rooting for Texas to win every single game against the slegnA.

Living around slegnA fans for the last 20 years there is no way I wish Texas to lose.

Apart from CJ Wilson there is nothing for me to hate. They have way, way better hitters than we have or hope to have and a better manager and certainly their GM is better than ours.

Ours need to find something else to do

by Trainman on Aug 14, 2011 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ron Washington is probably the worst manager in the game

Rangers fans will tell you that, too.

"BA doesn't stand for Batting Average. It’s Brandon Allen, as in the percentage of a hitter’s worth compared to Brandon Allen. Ted Williams, at his best, was only 4/10th of the hitter Brandon Allen is today." - YonYonson

by hero66 on Aug 14, 2011 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tactically, I think he's pretty bad.

As a leader, he seems fine. Nelson Cruz may or may not agree, however.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 14, 2011 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

And he still is better than the guy we hired instead.

Hey dad, I got this guy's autograph, Rollie
Fingers. Who's he?

by WhizDad on Aug 14, 2011 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

arguable

"BA doesn't stand for Batting Average. It’s Brandon Allen, as in the percentage of a hitter’s worth compared to Brandon Allen. Ted Williams, at his best, was only 4/10th of the hitter Brandon Allen is today." - YonYonson

by hero66 on Aug 15, 2011 1:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

wash could help our defense, me thinks

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by stm72 on Aug 15, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

As an infield coach, yeah.

As a manager, not so much.

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by mikev on Aug 15, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

that's what i meant, infield coach

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by stm72 on Aug 15, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Meh

Aren’t the Rangers one of like 2 teams with more errors than us?

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by travdog6 on Aug 15, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Who's their infield coach?

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by mikev on Aug 15, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't you think Wash has something to do with it?

Serious question, WTF do managers do on a day to day basis?

"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime

by travdog6 on Aug 15, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

He'd better start tomorrow against the LHP no matter how Conor's neck feels.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 14, 2011 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Melvin is probably giving Conor a neck massage right now

My mannerism a prism/ And it should shine
Light it if you would/ Be so kind, right now'd
Be A' Good Time

by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Aug 14, 2011 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

At highest.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 14, 2011 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Allen is likely to start tomorrow's game

so reports Stiglich:

With Jackson’s status unknown, Melvin said Allen likely would get another start Monday against Baltimore.

by OaklandSi on Aug 14, 2011 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

you're damn right he's starting tomorrow

and every game after that if melvin knows what he’s doing

"BA doesn't stand for Batting Average. It’s Brandon Allen, as in the percentage of a hitter’s worth compared to Brandon Allen. Ted Williams, at his best, was only 4/10th of the hitter Brandon Allen is today." - YonYonson

by hero66 on Aug 15, 2011 1:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

not only is he starting

he’s moved up in the lineup, as per @susanslusser tweet:

Weeks 2b, Crisp cf, Matsui lf, Willingham dh, DeJesus rf, Allen 1b, Pennington ss, Suzuki c, Sogard 3b

by OaklandSi on Aug 15, 2011 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

It sucks that our manager is an idiot (again)

but maybe he’ll make a kneejerk reaction to a 3-4 game, and make the (correct) decision that starting Brandon Allen is what’s best for this team.

"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime

by travdog6 on Aug 14, 2011 5:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Yes, but only due to a late scratch.

Jackson was definitely supposed to start today. (In fact Jackson was listed in the lineup posted on the scoreboard.)

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 14, 2011 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

The way I see it,

our previous manager was an idiot. Our current manager made an idiotic decision. Big difference.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 14, 2011 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

A man makes a bad decision and he's an idiot for a day

teach a man to make bad decisions and he’s an idiot for life.

But seriously, folks....

by B-E-D on Aug 14, 2011 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hire a fish...

Stupid Geren.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 14, 2011 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

teach a man to fish

and he’ll sit in a boat and drink beer all day

I'll see your .500 and raise you a game!

by eastcoasta'sfan on Aug 14, 2011 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nothing wrong there.

As a matter of fact, I don’t bait the hook when I fish. I don’t want the d@%#$ fish interfering with my beer drinking.

i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72

by Tutu-late on Aug 14, 2011 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I use beer for the bait

I don’t want to have to marinate my fish in a “beer batter” — I want the d@%#$ fish already drunk when I hook it.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 14, 2011 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like Ernie's fishing method...

" He—-re, fishy, fishy, fishy." and they just jump into his boat.

i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72

by Tutu-late on Aug 14, 2011 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

As much as I loved my previous sigline...

"A man makes a bad decision and he's an idiot for a day / teach a man to make bad decisions and he’s an idiot for life." - B-E-D

by paris7 on Aug 14, 2011 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eh

Melvin hasn’t done a whole lot to impress me, but I am admittedly skeptical of a managers influence, so I’m not calling for his head just yet.

"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime

by travdog6 on Aug 14, 2011 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

A little carried away with Allen

I mean 3 for 4 is good, but he could easily go 0 for his next 10. That being said, it would
be nice to see him play regularly to see how he does. David DeJesus should be DFA’d,
thereby letting Jackson (and Sweeney)play right.

by SanJoseR on Aug 14, 2011 6:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Not sure how the fact that he could go 0 for his next 10

makes his going 3 for 4 with a 2B and RBI today any less exciting.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 14, 2011 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

and, at 3 for 13

he would still be one of our better hitters

I'll see your .500 and raise you a game!

by eastcoasta'sfan on Aug 14, 2011 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brandon Allen once went 0-for-10...

… but meanwhile stole 40 bases and scored all ten times.

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by paris7 on Aug 14, 2011 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

He stole 2nd, 3rd, home, and 5th!!!!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 14, 2011 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was thinking he stole 1st, but as you know, I only listen to the games on the radio and can easily get confused.

"A man makes a bad decision and he's an idiot for a day / teach a man to make bad decisions and he’s an idiot for life." - B-E-D

by paris7 on Aug 14, 2011 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Especially if you listen to Vince.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 14, 2011 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

he could go 0-10 and still be a better option than conor jackson

We yet enjoy little to be envied, but endure much to be pitied.-Thomas Dudley

by Future Ed on Aug 14, 2011 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

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by stm72 on Aug 15, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Index of Ineptitude

I was listening to the game on the radio as I drove across the Bay Bridge and in the first inning there were so many fundamentally un-sound plays in that three run first that won’t show up as errors.

1. Kinsler HBP.

2. Dejesus doesn’t come up throwing aggressively on Hamilton’s single allows Kinsler to go to third.

3. Wild Pitch scores run.

4. Penny bobbles ball in the hole to allow infield hit. (A better fielder could’ve made a play at third.)

That’s all before Dejesus’s two-run error in the sixth.

And this team has never been good at baserunning in the post-Rickey era.

Just as there are advanced stats that show which baserunners successfully advance the most on hits, there should be an Index of Ineptitude to capture all the misplays which errors don’t capture.

by DavidS on Aug 14, 2011 6:21 PM PDT reply actions  

The DDJ "assume Kinsler will stop at second"

was deflating. Also, on Pennington’s bobble, he didn’t really have a play at 3B but only because Sizemore neither went all out for the ball nor covered the bag — he got himself in “no man’s land” and probably couldn’t have beaten the runner to the bag.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 14, 2011 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sizemore didn't cover 3rd?

Shocked. I’m sure he will learn from it and and never make that mistake again.

by biscuit530 on Aug 14, 2011 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

When DeJesus dropped the fly ball, I just went, "Seriously?"

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 14, 2011 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

its not like it was an easy chance and there were 2 outs

I mean, he had to move a couple of feet and it didn’t hit his glove or anything

We yet enjoy little to be envied, but endure much to be pitied.-Thomas Dudley

by Future Ed on Aug 14, 2011 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Luckily, Kinsler's was about as bad.

The race to 100 errors is a good one: OAK 99, TEX 98.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 14, 2011 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

After the infield "triple" last month,

I thought, Well, at least they learned something. Apparently not.

by biscuit530 on Aug 14, 2011 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Allen wasn't the only young 'un to go 3 for 4 with a 2B today

Grant Green also did it, and even had the awesomeness in him to commit an error in CF.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 14, 2011 7:29 PM PDT reply actions  

He was meant to be an A.

by TBRMKane on Aug 14, 2011 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Arror?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 14, 2011 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wandered into the team store on my way out

There are some new items of merchandise, and some of them are quite nice. But this is an epic fail:

M-A, M-A-R, M-A-R-K, Ell-is!

by Englishmajor on Aug 14, 2011 7:55 PM PDT reply actions  

sigh

We yet enjoy little to be envied, but endure much to be pitied.-Thomas Dudley

by Future Ed on Aug 14, 2011 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Someone needs to be fired for that.

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by mikev on Aug 14, 2011 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Huh.....

I was thinking someone needs to be hung.

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by alox on Aug 14, 2011 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

hang them after they're fired.

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My thoughtful watermelon is easily mistook for an early American catapult.
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by mikev on Aug 14, 2011 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

he meant, set on fire

We yet enjoy little to be envied, but endure much to be pitied.-Thomas Dudley

by Future Ed on Aug 14, 2011 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

what in the hell

"BA doesn't stand for Batting Average. It’s Brandon Allen, as in the percentage of a hitter’s worth compared to Brandon Allen. Ted Williams, at his best, was only 4/10th of the hitter Brandon Allen is today." - YonYonson

by hero66 on Aug 14, 2011 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

wait a minute, I don't see any crack rocks

THAT ISN’T OAKLAND!!!!!!!!!

"If we start getting into that sh*t, we might as well get out the plastic sheeting and have an orgy." --Gaijin Suketto

by emperor nobody on Aug 14, 2011 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

PS

I can now sleep better knowing that what I perceived all along was indeed true, and that’s that Larry Baer has been in charge of A’s marketing and products all along.

"If we start getting into that sh*t, we might as well get out the plastic sheeting and have an orgy." --Gaijin Suketto

by emperor nobody on Aug 14, 2011 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm thinking Crisp, Willingham, and DeJesus HAVE to keep playing if we want those draft picks.

Although of course who knows if that will happen with the new CBA? Really Jackson is the only person who has no business playing right now. Even Matsui is inching closer to Type B status. I suppose it could be risky offering him arbitration. How much do we have to give him if he accepts? If its around $2 million I’m fine with that. I don’t really see any DH options likely to be much better than Matsui – maybe Kubel or the pig, but they’ll probably both get multi-year deals. Carter needs to hit better in AAA if he’s going to be our DH. I’m not real high on him these days.

I like the idea of 2012 being a rebuilding year. Our core isn’t much to build around – Gio and Cahill are somewhere between poor number 2’s and good number 3’s. Their value should be similar to Swisher’s when he was dealt. Also I’m wondering if we could get something decent for Suzuki if we offered to throw in ~$3m on the last couple years of his deal. He doesn’t really have the type of contract where you’d expect to throw in salary considerations, but then again, he’s not real good.

If we could trade these guys and pick up maybe a 3b, SS and OF to compete with the likes of Sizemore, Pennington and Taylor I’d be happy, although I suppose you always take the best prospects you can get, regardless of position.

Then, by 2013, we’ll hopefully have Anderson and Gray leading the rotation. Plus I think the A’s have a better chance of signing some of the better 2012-13 FAs than they do with this years class (I’d be interested in Montero, Napoli, Bourn, Byrd, Rolen, Ethier, Quentin, Upton, and Victorino or Kemp if they’re not coming off career years).

by Aufheben on Aug 14, 2011 8:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Sadly, 2012 is looking like a rebuilding year whether we like it or not

I’d try to re-sign Piggy and I’d be willing to give him a multi-year deal for 3 years if it’s reasonable. The position player “core” you’re looking at, potentially, for 2013 then looks like Weeks, Allen, and you hope Taylor, Choice, and maybe Green.

It’s the left side of the infield that looks so bleak and really needs attention. Maybe Suzuki can help you shore that up and you roll with Donaldson, I don’t know. Maybe you have to bite the bullet and deal Cahill. Basically, the rebuild has been an epic failure and needs to be done again. Oh joy.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 14, 2011 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't see him as the best, so much as

I see that there’s a “core 3” that are very good and a “core 2” isn’t nearly the same as a “core 3”. Sure you hope Ross and/or Gray can join that, but figuring you’ll add some subtract some, at the moment there’s a “core 3” we know of and trading one is a big deal.

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by Nico on Aug 14, 2011 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't see Willingham as useful for 2012

draft picks would be better, of course, he will likely go to a protected team…sigh

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by Future Ed on Aug 14, 2011 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Boy, I hope you're right

LF, DH and maybe 1B. Allen at first.

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by WhizDad on Aug 14, 2011 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like the idea of Allen at 1B, Willingham at DH (and occasional LF)

Sweeney and Taylor in the OF, Weeks at 2B, and figure out some freaking way to make the left side of the infield better.

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by Nico on Aug 14, 2011 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Has Snoopy retired?

I agree with you though. If we’re thinking “dream team” for 2012, I don’t know if Sizemore fits in there except as a backup. Realistically, he’s not your prototypical 3Bman.

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by WhizDad on Aug 14, 2011 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Joe Schlobotnick is hanging around the waiver wire

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by Future Ed on Aug 14, 2011 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

What a blockhead.

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by Nico on Aug 14, 2011 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree.

I like Sizemore, but I fear he’s a “tweener” kind of like Sweeney is. A good reserve or an insufficient everyday starter.

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by Nico on Aug 14, 2011 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

In other words, I'd put up with this next year:

2b Weeks
1b Barton
DH Matsui
LF Allen
CF Sweeney
RF Taylor
3b Sizemore
SS Pennington
C Donaldson/Powell/Recker

SP McCarthy
SP Harden
SP Ross
SP Outman
SP Moscoso

If it meant we could have this in 2013:

2b Weeks
CF Bourn
1B Allen
DH Napoli
RF Choice
LF Taylor
C Montero
3b Sizemore
SS Pennington

SP Anderson
SP Gray
SP Ross
SP Outman
SP Hopefully someone better than Moscoso

by Aufheben on Aug 14, 2011 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would be fine with that

with the possible exception that my kid always asks about gio so him staying would be ok

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by Future Ed on Aug 14, 2011 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wait, who'd we get for Cahill and Gio?

And why do we still have to endure Pennington and Sizemore on the left side of the infield? And how’d we convince three good hitters to sign as FAs in Oakland?

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by Nico on Aug 14, 2011 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I picked three FAs who I figured could be undervalued and therefore available, collectively, for $25mm.

Montero because aging catchers don’t tend to be paid well, and he was a back-up as recently as last year. Bourn because he doesn’t hit more than one HR/year. Napoli because he doesn’t have a true defensive home and will need to switch to DH at some point.

There aren’t any real good left-side-of-the—infield FAs available this year or the next, unless Rolen still looks good at 38 (and we know how Billy loves to sign players at that one-year-contract time in life), which is why I said above that hopefully we could acquire, through the rebuild, someone to challenge Sizemore/Pennington (also my 2013 rotation could use some help). I didn’t get into naming what we might be able to get for Gio/Cahill/Suzuki (and Bailey/Balfour, for that matter) – that’s too much work for me right now. But maybe you can just imagine that in my scenario we have a top 5 farm system and 2014-16 is looking pretty good.

by Aufheben on Aug 14, 2011 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

If we trade Gio and Cahill

We better be getting back position players that will fit right into the lineup immediately – that’s my view.

by longtimeasfan on Aug 15, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can't we have someone different at first?

It sure would be nice to have some power in the lineup.

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by WhizDad on Aug 14, 2011 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Allen.

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by Nico on Aug 14, 2011 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thank you thank you

Hey dad, I got this guy's autograph, Rollie
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by WhizDad on Aug 14, 2011 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're welcome

Brandon Allen is happy to save each one of your lives, one at a time.

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by Nico on Aug 14, 2011 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can he help me lose weight?

I’d be interested in learning about the Brandon Allen diet plan.

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Fingers. Who's he?

by WhizDad on Aug 14, 2011 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fastballs.

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by Nico on Aug 14, 2011 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pennington, Sizemore, Suzuki should not be part of this team

if they are thinking of contending.

That’s 3 for starters. There are twice that many again who should be gone for 2012

by Trainman on Aug 14, 2011 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

If we are gonna lose 100 games next year, I’d rather we lose them with Carter, Taylor , Allen, and Green in the lineup.

by EstadosUnidos on Aug 14, 2011 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I actually think that if the A's have room for Allen in the OF next year, they may as well give Barton

one more chance. We saw his upside in 2010 and he doesn’t even need to be that good to be part of the solution. I don’t see how he could have fallen so far this year without being injured, so I believe he’s telling the truth when he talks about his shoulder problems. Also, because he was optioned down, I don’t think he will be arbi elligible, so he’s still cheap and if he works out we can keep him for a long time.

by Aufheben on Aug 14, 2011 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

false.

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by mikev on Aug 14, 2011 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do you know the real difference between a .300 hitter and a .250 hitter?

The .300 hitter has just one more hit than the .250 hitter after every 5 games.

by EstadosUnidos on Aug 14, 2011 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Uhh. I don't think that proves your point.

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by travdog6 on Aug 14, 2011 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh, well shit. That totally puts me in my place.

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by mikev on Aug 15, 2011 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

You should have known that 32 more hits a season isn't much, mikev.

Of course, that comes out to a 33% increase of our hits leader so far. I’ll take a .300 hitter for the 1-8 hitters, and save the 9-hole for the .250 hitter.

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by Tutu-late on Aug 15, 2011 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

U GOT PWNED!!

2011 Oakland Athletics: We have Cy Young pitchers and make yours look like it, too

by elcroata on Aug 15, 2011 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

BOTTOM LINE!

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by cuppingmaster on Aug 15, 2011 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Do you know the real difference between Javier Bardem and me?

Javier Bardem has just one more hot sexual experience with Penélope Cruz than me after every one day

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by elcroata on Aug 15, 2011 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

hahaha

What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.

by winchester5 on Aug 15, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Javier Bardem's photo is in my phone's contact list.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOH. Burn.

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by mikev on Aug 15, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

You couldn't be wronger

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by Future Ed on Aug 15, 2011 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

holy moly

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by hero66 on Aug 15, 2011 1:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

That is incorrect

Especially because if Barton’s hitting .300, he’s probably reaching base at close to a .400 clip.

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by Flashfire on Aug 15, 2011 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Batting .300 is NEVER useless

That’s really ridiculous. And it doesn’t matter what position he plays – if he bats .300 and has good OBP he is an important and good part of the lineup.

by longtimeasfan on Aug 15, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Although Adrian Cardenas is trying to test that theory.

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by Nico on Aug 15, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

But, he has a 3-of a kind!

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by Tutu-late on Aug 15, 2011 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

And when McCarthy, Ross, and Harden are all on the DL for 2 months,

Godfrey, Banwart and Hernandez go into the rotation? That’s one way to get a top 3 pick.

by biscuit530 on Aug 14, 2011 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

You mean greenies?

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by WhizDad on Aug 14, 2011 9:34 PM PDT reply actions  

Miserable Game To Cap Off A Miserable Series

DeJesus’ error was disgusting, and there was a load of bad defense again. The first inning was a fiasco. Hit batter, flyout, single, wild pitch, single, walk, walk. I was actually confident with Harden on the mound.

by Jason James on Aug 15, 2011 1:04 AM PDT reply actions  

you should know better

than to say things like this:

I was actually confident with Harden on the mound

I'll see your .500 and raise you a game!

by eastcoasta'sfan on Aug 15, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Whenever someone says "Harden' and

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by Tutu-late on Aug 15, 2011 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

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