The Nightmare Continues - A's Lose in Walkoff by Hamilton
Ever seem to have one of those days when everyone's on your case from your teacher down to your best girl friend? Well, that's a lot like what today's loss felt like.
With a gritty, but futile performance by Brandon McCarthy and a seemingly 1-2-3 inning by Bailey, the A's managed to grasp defeat from the jaws of victory.
Josh Willingham got the A's on the board in the second. Swinging at the first pitch he saw, he crushed one over the left-center wall, for the A's first lead of the series. Cliff Peninngton added to this, after the A's played station-to-station baseball, after David DeJesus walked and Landon Powell singled, Pennington singled home DeJesus from second with two outs, as the A's moved ahead, 2-0. Jemile Weeks kept the second inning party going, singling in Powell for a 3-0 A's lead. Coco Crisp walked and set the stage for Hideki Matsui to do some damage. Yorvit Torrealba decided to block Matsui's swing though and he was called for catcher's interference and was granted first base, scoring Pennington, and spotting McCarthy a 4-0 lead.
Torrealba made up for it the bottom of the inning, crushing a McCarthy offering after Weeks booted one (that was inexplicably not called an error by the Texas scorer) that scored Mitch Moreland and missed being a home run by a couple feet. McCarthy and Co. held though, and went into the third, leading 4-1.
In the top of the fifth, what was essentially a base hit for Scott Sizemore was turned into a fielder's choice when Willingham was caught between first and second on a bloop hit to right. Matsui scored from third though, and the A's moved ahead, 5-1.
In the bottom of fifth, the Rangers came back, and boy, did they. First, Torealba and Endy Chavez both had infield singles, followed by an Ian Kinsler double to deep left, on a pitch that had the power to get out, just not height. The Kinsler double scored Torealba, while a sacrifice to right field by Elvis Andrus scored Chavez. Another sacrifice by Josh Hamilton to second base scored Kinsler, to make it a 5-4 game. Then Adrian Beltre slapped his 18th of the year to deep left and tied the game, 5-5. It was only the third home run McCarthy allowed all year.
Tommy Hunter relieved Colby Lewis in the top of the seventh and was greeted by Coco. Crisp untied it with a towering shot shot to right, into a section of A's fans visiting the Ball Park at Arlington.
Joey Devine pitched a spotty, but effective seventh. Grant Balfour pitched a perfect eighth. And Andrew Bailey, in to shut down the Rangers and give McCarthy his first win since April 10th, pitched what appeared to be a perfect ninth, but when Andrus collided with Conor Jackson, Andrus stayed alive. A weak throw by Weeks was blamed by Controneo--a base hit was ruled for Andrus. It allowed Josh Hamilton to come to bat. And Josh Hamilton killed it--a two-out blast to the upper deck in right field.
Texas wins, 7-6.
Ever get the feeling it just ain't your year? A's finish the series and the first half of the season before the All-Star Break tomorrow. Game time is 12:05pm, PST.
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rangers scorekeeper is helen keller...
Kiper+Fosse=Mute
It's officially time to be sellers and give some of the younger guys a chance
There’s no more point this season.
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by Flashfire on Jul 9, 2011 8:07 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
100 Percent Agree
But, who wants them?
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 9, 2011 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions
We got some stuff we can sell
Bailey. Willingham for the power. Coco for the speed and defense.
"Da greatness of Da Rooster" - RLangford
"The whole thing was a piece of theatre. Billy had told Art how and where to stand during a game so that the players would... take strength from his countenance, because when Art sat on the bench... he looked like a prisoner of war."
-Moneyball
I do agree
They say relievers are at a premium
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 9, 2011 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions
That leaves us with just the dregs
Honestly, I can’t imagine watching 9 Penningtons pop out for the rest of the season, and it’s not as though we’ll reap a bonanza with those players.
I think they’ll keep Matsui for the 50 seats he sells every game. But if they sell off everyone halfway decent (granted, only a handful) this team will become even more unwatchable than it is now.
by coffee roaster on Jul 9, 2011 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I can't imagine it either
But gotta get what you can for next year and beyond.
"Da greatness of Da Rooster" - RLangford
"The whole thing was a piece of theatre. Billy had told Art how and where to stand during a game so that the players would... take strength from his countenance, because when Art sat on the bench... he looked like a prisoner of war."
-Moneyball
I'm curious
Is having a top 3 pick in baseball really much better than say, the 15th pick? I know in football and basketball it is, but in a draft as deep as the baseball draft, with as many picks? Aside from the fact the draft pool is so much bigger, and it would seem so much more varied.
"Da greatness of Da Rooster" - RLangford
"The whole thing was a piece of theatre. Billy had told Art how and where to stand during a game so that the players would... take strength from his countenance, because when Art sat on the bench... he looked like a prisoner of war."
-Moneyball
It's never a bad thing to be as close to #1 as possible if you know you aren't making the playoffs
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Sure, but anything empirical to back that up with?
Aside from being No. 1, does being No. 4 help much more than No. 9?
"Da greatness of Da Rooster" - RLangford
"The whole thing was a piece of theatre. Billy had told Art how and where to stand during a game so that the players would... take strength from his countenance, because when Art sat on the bench... he looked like a prisoner of war."
-Moneyball
depends on the draft class
Kieth Law: 11>12>10
absolutely.
the top 3 picks in the draft generally contribute an average of 20-25 million dollars of surplus value to their team. that’s why stephen strasburg and bryce harper’s contracts are still well worth it even though everyone is astonished by how much it took to sign them.
around the 15th pick, if i remember correctly, the pick has a value of 5 million dollars in surplus value.
I've held out as long as I could...
…but now even I am leaning toward this conclusion.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz.
~Humphrey Bogart
Well that sucked
But I smiled at the “Smokin’ In The Boys Room” reference.
If baseball were a religion, it would be Shinto/Buddhist/Klingon Warrior… maybe I should just say Viking… - Gaijin_Suketto
Silver lining:
Hamilton has had a sad week. I guess he deserves a nice break.
"Da greatness of Da Rooster" - RLangford
"The whole thing was a piece of theatre. Billy had told Art how and where to stand during a game so that the players would... take strength from his countenance, because when Art sat on the bench... he looked like a prisoner of war."
-Moneyball
by darooster on Jul 9, 2011 8:07 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Totally Rec on that one
class
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 9, 2011 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions
It still sucks.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Agree
would have been nice to see him look toward left and hold his heart or something. No obligation of course, just would have been nice.
I miss Eric Plunk
I watch a lot of baseball, are the A’s first baseman the only ones that range so far to the right on those balls.
Do we have a natural one?
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 9, 2011 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions
to play 1st?
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 9, 2011 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions
And
he signed a two year contract if I am not mistaken
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 9, 2011 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Cool
I think it is Giambi time, for the 3rd go around LOL
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 9, 2011 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions
This is worse than getting kicked in the balls
by a fucking kangaroo
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 9, 2011 8:08 PM PDT reply actions
1171 Wins and 1024 Losses...
That loss column is catching up to the so called “Best” GM in baseball.
He did get Sizmore
for Rajai Davis. If you think about it in the grand scheme of things. Check Davis’ stats recently?
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 9, 2011 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions
No joke
Wow .243/.268/.365? That is pretty shitty.
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"The whole thing was a piece of theatre. Billy had told Art how and where to stand during a game so that the players would... take strength from his countenance, because when Art sat on the bench... he looked like a prisoner of war."
-Moneyball
Speed
Speed, Speed?
It doesn’t matter
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 9, 2011 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions
She loved me too :)
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 9, 2011 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey, I'm from BBB (Bluebird Banter)
The reason for the shitty line is…well, like in the past, Rajai has been having tons of trouble hitting the low and away breaking ball, but recently, he has been heating up, and watching Davis run the bases is very fun if he can make it on base a little more often.
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 9, 2011 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Rajai is a ".300 OBP" guy who can, single-handedly,
create runs (we called them “Rajai runs”). We traded him, so now we have a bunch of guys with .300 OBPs who can’t single-handedly create runs. Basically, Rajai is not a very good player and the A’s would be a better team if they had him.
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Not really. He's been below replacement this year and Crisp is currently at 1.6 WAR.
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If I had Rajai as my 5th OFer,
I’d have employed him a lot as a “Herb Washington” finding key spots to pinch run him in the many, many close low-scoring games we had early in the season when we were in the race. Similar to the way the Royals have used Jarrod Dyson.
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by Nico on Jul 9, 2011 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
herb washington
was a failure as a pinch runner. he never could quite get the skill of reading a pitcher
by heartstopper on Jul 10, 2011 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Coco "creates runs" and Rajai creates runs
Crisp gets on base more and in a stronger line-up would be worth a hell of a lot more. But in a crappy line-up, having a guy who can single-handedly move around the bases and give you a run becomes extremely valuable. Sometimes it’s not all about theoretical numbers.
there's nothing theoretical about it.
Coco is a better hitter than Rajai is. Having Rajai in a lineup makes it crappier.
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My thoughtful watermelon is easily mistook for an early American catapult.
Makes it crappier some of the time
But Rajai Davis, during the periods when he’s hitting better, can move himself to second, and maybe third, and possibly score in a way that Coco Crisp can’t.
I have a feeling that the one-size-fits-all approach that stat people take is something that the Oakland A’s use to determine their trades and draft choices, rather than evaluate talent and line-ups on a one-by-one basis.
I also think this is the reason the A’s suck.
wtf?
so when he doesn’t suck, Rajai Davis is good.
That’s your argument?
Also, Crisp has 2 more stolen bases than Davis this year, so I guess that doesn’t count for him getting himself to second and maybe third?
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Crisp is also 76.5% on SB this year so far, while Davis is 68.6%
That’s quite a drop over what Davis did last year.
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Seems to me
From having watched Rajai Davis on the A’s, that he needs to play regularly in order to get his game up to speed … but it takes a while to get his game up to speed (no pun intended) and it’s difficult for any manager to put up with that long enough for it to pay off.
But that’s just looking at Davis as a human being with skills and limitations, and it could explain why he hasn’t been particularly good this year.
I think A’s fans are desperate at this point for something explosive to come out of the line-up. Rajai, when he is on, is explosive. Coco is not.
...what I'm saying....
…is that when Rajai Davis doesn’t suck, he actually does more than Coco once he’s on the bases. Or rather, did more last year.
This year, he’s happened to suck a whole lot more than he did last year, so yeah, Coco would have more stolen bases than Rajai.
Overall Coco is a better player than Rajai Davis
This isn’t really debatable.
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I'm not debating that
Though frankly, at this point, I’d rather see Rajai in the outfield than Coco and his non-arm.
As I just wrote, Rajai when he’s on is explosive on the basepaths. Coco Crisp is not. And it’s something that doesn’t show up in statistics, but we all see it when we’re watching. Weeks has a bit of that as well.
Would it win games for the A’s this year? Well, probably not. But it’s not like anything wins games for the A’s this year.
and there it is
I knew at some point there would be a “you can’t see it in stats” dropped.
I’m done.
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My thoughtful watermelon is easily mistook for an early American catapult.
don’t forget that “you can’t see it in the stats,” stats of the day that is, made people invent the stats we do use today.
maybe the “explosive on the basepaths” stat, though i might call it “induced errors,” isn’t visible yet just because nobody’s tracked it. i’d like to see numbers on how many times raj, with his kinda crazy running style where you don’t know what he’s gonna do next or if he knows himself, induced a throwing error, and compare that to other runners.
I'll take the guy who's usually a more steady player
And that’s Crisp, who can usually give you whatever Davis does when he’s at his best.
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This is a better answer than mikev's
My argument regarding statistical analysis is that it makes one-size-fits-all, so the argument that “Coco is a steadier player” or “Coco can usually give you whatever Davis does at his best” takes into account that they’re two different players with slightly different skills.
I’ll say it again, because nobody wants to acknowledge it: I think the reason the A’s make such poor choices and wind up with shitty teams is that they look at one-size-fits-all instead of seriously evaluating whether a combination of different talents can bring together a better team. It seems to me to be why all the A’s players come to the team with similar stats and why these teams fail, and it also seems that nobody wants to address this issue.
Whatever that larger point is, it doesn't serve you well to try to use Rajai Davis to make it
He’s a mediocre to below-average player who has flashes of exceptional play. Not what you really want in an everyday player.
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I agree with all this
My wish isn’t to have him as an every day player, nor to take a lot of time away from Crisp. I think he would have been, for this team, a very useful 24th/25th roster player who could have been used shrewdly to create runs for a team in dire need of a few more.
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Wasn't it you suggesting he basically be used as a pinch-runner?
Or was that someone else?
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Largely as a pinch runner
Basically, you can have him “reach base” once in any game you want. Maybe by way of a Sizemore leadoff walk in the 8th, or a one-out single by Powell in the 7th.
What a great luxury to have a chance to plop him onto the bases, in the late inning of a tight game, as well as replace Willingham for late inning defense and make some starts against LHP.
Far more useful, IMO, than having the luxury of letting Conor Jackson bat against RHPs five times/week.
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i can think of at least two games
where the other team would NOT have run a rajai’s arm with 2 out for a walk off win.
by heartstopper on Jul 10, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok, Bud Selig
"Da greatness of Da Rooster" - RLangford
"The whole thing was a piece of theatre. Billy had told Art how and where to stand during a game so that the players would... take strength from his countenance, because when Art sat on the bench... he looked like a prisoner of war."
-Moneyball
Or a salary floor
"Da greatness of Da Rooster" - RLangford
"The whole thing was a piece of theatre. Billy had told Art how and where to stand during a game so that the players would... take strength from his countenance, because when Art sat on the bench... he looked like a prisoner of war."
-Moneyball
Salary cap means shit
if you don’t draft good. Just ask my San Francisco 49ers
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 9, 2011 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Tell that to teams like the Yankees and Red Sox who just buy, buy, buy every year because they can
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They have a combine payroll
of 500 million or something that dumb. But, one will not win the World Series.
The Giants won last year and where no where near those figures
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 9, 2011 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Missing the point
The ability to have a payroll that high year after year means you ALWAYS have a better chance at winning the World Series.
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This, + a lot!!!!!
BoSox get both Crawford and Adrian G, while we can’t even land a decent DH.
i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72
We could have
Beane chose Matsui over Vlad.
Well it doesn't help when you have awful ownership
"Da greatness of Da Rooster" - RLangford
"The whole thing was a piece of theatre. Billy had told Art how and where to stand during a game so that the players would... take strength from his countenance, because when Art sat on the bench... he looked like a prisoner of war."
-Moneyball
I would love it... But if I can't afford to play at the $100 minimum table I'm gonna continue to play with nickels.
Besides, part of the A's method is good in trying to lock up some good, young players for less earlier
More teams should be doing that.
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No, less teams should be doing that!
Give us a chance at their players
"Da greatness of Da Rooster" - RLangford
"The whole thing was a piece of theatre. Billy had told Art how and where to stand during a game so that the players would... take strength from his countenance, because when Art sat on the bench... he looked like a prisoner of war."
-Moneyball
Well, that kind of went sour when we locked up Anderson and Zooks for long terms...
… Good thing Bartan is saving us from doing it to a 3rd not worthy player.
Never said you shouldn't be smart in doing it
But Anderson’s worth it with the ‘if healthy’ caveat.
Not gonna defend Suzuki.
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Andersons health seems to deteriate as he ages though...
He continues to throw on the LBs, and that won’t help with him injury wise.
I think that's what it meant to. He's not talking about Linebackers...I think.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
CC Sabathis is a total lard ass
And he’s had very few injuries. One, granted, was a knee injury probably caused by his weight. But it hasn’t affected his arm at all.
Fat pitchers aren’t all that uncommon, and Anderson is far from the fattest.
by coffee roaster on Jul 9, 2011 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Short memory
Is the AN memory that short? I think Billy did the “right” thing several times in committing to young talent, but we were some how jinxed every time. Harden. Crosby, Kotsay, Chavez,
and several others. Those moves didn"t work out and coupled with some god awful trades we ended up sucking after years of winning.
The truth hurts
they don't write 'em better than this game
somewhere in texas people are thinking god willed that swing. if that’s true, then god wants the a’s to lose.
this is rock bottom folks. we don’t need to dread the fall anymore; things cannot get worse than this game. this season, even.
Season's over
And I still have 85 season tickets near the bullpen to use…… I literally would have to find willing people to take them off hands now….>This all suck!
Hey, if you just wanna give em away...
I’m willing to endure the pathetic baseball!
"Da greatness of Da Rooster" - RLangford
"The whole thing was a piece of theatre. Billy had told Art how and where to stand during a game so that the players would... take strength from his countenance, because when Art sat on the bench... he looked like a prisoner of war."
-Moneyball
I should start inboxing you guys on games you can make
so at least I have another die-hard fan to commiserate with for the rest of the season!
I'm for it
I never turn down an A’s game, even with this team!
"Da greatness of Da Rooster" - RLangford
"The whole thing was a piece of theatre. Billy had told Art how and where to stand during a game so that the players would... take strength from his countenance, because when Art sat on the bench... he looked like a prisoner of war."
-Moneyball
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 9, 2011 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Thank Bro
And I can pay some $$$
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 9, 2011 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey look everyone!
It’s the 1993 Oakland Athletic’s, let’s get a photo
People ask me what the most memorable moment in my life is they assume it was 9/11 no i tell them it was the tragedy of 10-3-06 when 55,000 of Minnesota's finest were left dea... i mean heartbroken.
No man's land...
This is a shitty place to be… Winnable division with some pieces who should be performing a lot better…the competitor says, “play the vets, let them either make a statement or establish trade value.”
The the realist says, " get what you can get for the pieces you got and then let the kids play."
With completely uninspiring play from all but willingham, the first option seems doomed, and with a massive learning curve – see weeks, J and Carter, C – for option two, nothing seems like an easy call at this point.,,
I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!
by Taj Adib on Jul 9, 2011 8:23 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
You know its a bad season
When Taj leaves his thoughtful comments to lean towards sporadic and pessimistic in nature….What a season. To add insult to injury Rick Tittle can’t even find a place to broadcast baseball, partially because he talks too much Oakland A’s……
so tittle didnt ace the audition?
Sounded like he did well from comments here
"Da greatness of Da Rooster" - RLangford
"The whole thing was a piece of theatre. Billy had told Art how and where to stand during a game so that the players would... take strength from his countenance, because when Art sat on the bench... he looked like a prisoner of war."
-Moneyball
by darooster on Jul 9, 2011 8:44 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
He explained on his twitter (not the real rick tittle)
That 95.7 told him too much Raiders and A’s, no return show as a result.
It's not Rick Tittle
The “I’m not Rick Tittle” guy on Twitter is NOT Rick Tittle. There are many fake people on Twitter (NotBobGeren, FakeFuentes, BogusBillyBeane, etc.)
If that's true, that's one of the most retarded things I've ever heard
The A’s flagship can’t have a host because of too much A’s and Raiders talk? What a fucking joke. I’m soooooooo tired of the Gnats owning the airwaves. It’s BS
"Da greatness of Da Rooster" - RLangford
"The whole thing was a piece of theatre. Billy had told Art how and where to stand during a game so that the players would... take strength from his countenance, because when Art sat on the bench... he looked like a prisoner of war."
-Moneyball
When it shifts, it goes "VERRRRRR-IM"
A’s shoulda taken their offense and defense to Aamco a long time ago.
Defense playing poorly. Offense not good enough consistently…
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A Question
why do the A’s players even where jock straps. It doesn’t seem like they have any balls? Except for the ones that get away (what she said), and the ones that whiff past their faces
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 9, 2011 8:32 PM PDT reply actions
Slusser
“Four of Andrew Bailey’s nine career blown saves have come at Rangers Ballpark”
Had CoJack not been so far from 1b
And/or Weeks made a good throw, the game would have been over w/an A’s win. Once again poor A’s infield defense loses a game. Honestly, poor defense bothers me the most about the A’s play this season.
by OaklandSi on Jul 10, 2011 2:40 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
so can we not complain about Suzuki's pitch selection anymore?
Having Powell behind the dish did not seem to help.
Why is Powell even in MLB?
He should be playing under Canseco in the IND league
Mila "Sweet Lips" Kunis, as stated by Scarlett Johansson. I couldn't agree more. Reverse would be true too!!!!
by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 9, 2011 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions
So, the A's have some pretty tough competition...

The #1 overall pick is a mere pipedream with the level of suck that the ‘Stros are on, and #2 overall won’t be easy to get, but it’s attainable. At the very least, I’m hoping the A’s land the #3 pick.
''I am her night in baseball armor'' - Jose Canseco on Lady Gaga
we cant even suck right!!
"Da greatness of Da Rooster" - RLangford
"The whole thing was a piece of theatre. Billy had told Art how and where to stand during a game so that the players would... take strength from his countenance, because when Art sat on the bench... he looked like a prisoner of war."
-Moneyball
by darooster on Jul 9, 2011 8:43 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
A number 5 pick will be fine, too
It was unpredictable that Barton, Kouz, Suzuki, and DeJesus would all tank offensively. Matsui was just a hope. But the others should have produced this year. If they had done about what they did in the past this would probably be about a .500 team give or take a couple of games. It’s just bad luck. Personally, I’m hoping the A’s do tank for a couple years and draft a couple of offensive blue chippers.
This current team is kind of like the team from the 2000 era with a Big 3 pitching staff, but there are no Tejadas, Chavezes, Dyes or Giambis on the offensive side, not even close. They need a couple of real bats and they haven’t had a single decent bat in quite a few years.
Who are expected to be the big prizes in next year's draft?
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz.
~Humphrey Bogart
The guys who are drafted just before and just after the A's pick, I hear.
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So that didn't go as well as we expected, huh?
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hehehe
That’s putting it mildly.
i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72
Sucking is underrated
just ask my ex
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 9, 2011 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
hate to say it but
as I was watching the “condensed game” this morning, I was wondering how we were going to blow it. So, I hate to say it, but I was expecting it.
This season sucks.
by Brian in 317 on Jul 10, 2011 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Josh Hamilton - 1.087 WPA.
That is not a typo.
"Lako je tuđim kurcem po koprivama mlatiti / It’s easy to beat on the nettles with someone else’s dick." - elcroata
Well
Roy Hobbs Josh Hamilton does it again.
"If we start getting into that sh*t, we might as well get out the plastic sheeting and have an orgy." --Gaijin Suketto
Roy Hobbs
“The Natural”. Ends the conversation on the previous thread about the best baseball movie ever.
THANKS
New York Knights
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 9, 2011 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions
It's still galling
The A’s moved ahead of the Reds in the Rule V draft and selected Ryan Goleski. The Reds picked second, and took Josh Hamilton. Attaboy, Billy.
Royals picked Soria 2nd. Cubs picked Hamilton 3rd and traded him to the Reds for
“cash considerations”
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 10, 2011 7:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Ah, okay. Didn't remember that...
In other words…. the number two Rule V pick, Joakim Soria, became the Royals’ closer. The number three pick, Josh Hamilton wound up winning an MVP award and (actually, not surprisingly given his talent) becoming one of the best hitters in the game. Ryan Goleski retired after the 2009 season, never having made it past AA.
Great scouting, Billy.
One more time
Passing on Hamilton back then was not an unforgivable sin.
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One more time
Passing on the most talented player available generally isn’t a good strategy in drafting.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 10, 2011 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
One more time
A player who was out of baseball for 4 years because he was a drug addict and an alcoholic and had been destroying his body and then put up terrible numbers in double A and hurt his knee as well was not the most talented player available.
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One more time
He was
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 10, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
And, of course, as it's been explained many times before, he had more baggage than anyone at the time
AND he didn’t last in Cincy either.
He had the talent, but it’s not like he didn’t have the massive risk attached.
Maybe it’s low-risk for a team to take a chance on him in that situation, but it’s silly to act like a team was stupid for not doing it. Nobody realistically figured he’d do what he has since.
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Since when is it not stupid to pass on someone who "had the talent"
in a “low risk” move?
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 10, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I know there's
good logic in trading away players with value in order to get pieces for the future. But dangit, I really hope they keep Willingham unless someone monumentally overpays. Even though this season is toast, they’ll need a HR threat next year, and the year after that, etc.
We're not competing at this point.
I’m fine giving the kid a shot. Let’s see what he’s got. I don’t think he will be any better, but WTF. Go for it. Least we will know what we have.
Agreed. Commit to youth.
Call up Taylor, Sogard, Cardenas, Mitchell. Trade Willingham, Crisp, Bailey, and another starter (Ross) for a PROVEN YOUNG BAT! Maybe Buck or Upton?
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by A'sfansince1970 on Jul 9, 2011 10:29 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
This is the problem: The "youth" at AA and AAA isn't special.
If it were, I’d be excited. As it is? Meh. I’m supposed to be excited because Michael Taylor is finally hitting “ok” and we could call up Eric Sogard?
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Last I heard Sogard can't really play Shortstop every day.
by Rebuilding Season on Jul 10, 2011 2:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Breaking News: That hasn't magically changed.
;-(
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Wow this was depressing.
"You play to win the game."
by MrWayneKeller on Jul 9, 2011 9:32 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Sad part is we could have. Only the Reds took a flyer on him when he came back from rehab
"The A's leave 2 men on and fail to score." - Anyone broadcasting an A's game.
and then traded him for Edison Volquez. Wonder if they wish they could have that back. Could you imagine a lineup with Votto, Hamilton and Bruce 3,4,5
"The A's leave 2 men on and fail to score." - Anyone broadcasting an A's game.
I can't even imagine a lineup with any ONE of them.
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seriously.
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i got an idea
bailey balfour wuertz sizemore to braves for #1 1st base prospect because freeman is blocking him and a few relievers also clears space for young guys
by cahill123anderson on Jul 9, 2011 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Though we do officially suck at Rule 5 drafting.
Who Neu?
In fairness, of course, a lineup of “9 Jay Marshalls” could get waived and reacquired 27 times.
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well, then so does pretty much everybody else about 95% of the time.
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Yes, but honestly I don't think anyone so consistently
selects “low ceiling” players like the A’s do (Mike Neu, Ben Copeland, Jay Marshall). I don’t even know what their thought process could be.
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by Nico on Jul 9, 2011 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
IDK, I've never paid a lot of attention to it because people basically never pan out from it.
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Except Roberto Clemente, Johan Santana, Bobby Bonilla, Darrell Evans,
Jose Bautista, George Bell, Paul Blair, Josh Hamilton, Joakim Soria, Dan Uggla, Manny Trillo and Shane Victorino
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 10, 2011 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions
12 players out of how many? Hundreds?
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So you never pay attention to major league baseball because
basically hardly anyone who tries to make it does? It’s got what….750 players out of how many? Hundreds of thousands?
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 10, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes the A's do, but the Hamilton example as one they missed out on big time is filled with more holes than swiss cheese
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That's why the Hamilton blunder was so special
It was really hard to imagine he’d have been exposed - at the time!!!!
My beef is that if you approach the Rule 5 draft
by constantly picking “filler” you are never going to get one of the “12 in 1,000” in a draft that is precisely about buying a cheap lottery ticket.
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Yep
It’s not so much about who the A’s passed on, it’s about how they approach the thing in the first place.
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I don't think there's any quick solution at this point
by buckfan6 on Jul 9, 2011 9:34 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
If anyone is going to beat my A's
It is Josh Hamilton. Good for him, that transcends baseball
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 9, 2011 9:38 PM PDT reply actions
Whoever caught the HR ball should give it to Cooper Stone.
Your ABC 3:30pm movie will continue, right after these messages.
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how do you feel
about COMPLETELY blowing the team up and getting the #1 pick next 5 years and be good like rays
by cahill123anderson on Jul 9, 2011 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I think blowing the team up is a terrific idea,
and I’d even be willing to provide the dynamite.
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That presumes...
…that we have an organization that can actually draft and develop well.
The Rays are a nice example, but we forget that the real reason many teams get all those great draft picks by sucking for all those years suck for a reason.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz.
~Humphrey Bogart
Why should I want Hamilton to beat my team?
Dude had a crappy week. But he didn’t cause these events to occur, he was just there. He has all the talent in the world and he squandered it for years smoking crack and running away. And then he gets sober and feels the need to pump his belief in Jesus on everyone and then he relapses. I’m supposed to be proud of him? Tell me again how much money he makes. He doesn’t “deserve” anything for just doing what he’s supposed to do.
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by Buck Turgidson on Jul 10, 2011 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I don't get the Hamilton worship either
I have nothing against him, really, although people who overcome addictions are seldom lauded as model citizens like he his. But I’m also not going to make it some feel-good story when he hits a walkoff against us in a game that we should have won. I wanted to vomit when he hit it and not get all warm and fuzzy about the bad week he had. Dude beat us. I hardly felt good about it.
by coffee roaster on Jul 10, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Will the Moneyball movie influence Beane's decision
to trade guys before the deadline? It would be embarrassing for the A’s to lose 90 or more games this year, so he might not want to sell… .however, if they do trade Willinghan, DDJ, Crisp, I’m not sure they would be any worse without them.
Remember 09? Oakland’s offense was terrible in the first half. Then they got rid of Holliday, Giambi and Nomar and actually scored a decent amount of runs in the second half. Rajai caught fire and actually made the A’s fun to watch. Maybe that was luck but maybe they’ll get lucky again? It could happen… right?
It would
be more embarrassing to see this team of no talent hacks play
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 9, 2011 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Nomar actually stayed
You’re probably thinking of Orlando Cabrera.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
These players belong in my cats litter box
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 9, 2011 9:59 PM PDT reply actions
You said it right; it just isn't our year.
We should be winning this division, instead we’re by far losing. It just isn’t in the cards this year.
Sigh.
by Rebuilding Season on Jul 10, 2011 2:07 AM PDT reply actions
Nice
We have finally started to hit, and now the pitching is terrible. This team can’t get it together. The defense, the offense, the hitting. I was disappointed with the play that would have ended it, and for that you almost can’t blame Bailey.
Oh yeah guys..coming from a Jays fan..How do you guys like Trystan Magnuson, hes like very good in Sacramento for you guys.
Lastnight Trystan Magnuson and Danny Farquhar pitched, of course we got Danny back from you guys for David Purcey, who you guys later flip for Sizemore and from what I hear Sizemore is turning out to be quite the steal. Anyways, here are both pitchers lines from lastnight.
Sacramento won 7-5 over Vegas
Trystan Magnuson:
1.2 IP | 0 H | 0 R | 0 ER | 0 BB | 0 SO |
Danny Farquhar:
1.0 IP | 2 H | 0 R | 0 ER | 0 BB | 0 SO |
and if you guys haven’t seen yet..Jerry Blevins also pitched and got the victory, his line went like this.
Jerry Blevins:
1.0 IP | 0 H | 0 R | 0 ER | 0 BB | 0 SO |
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No problem.
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- Barney Stinson
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 10, 2011 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Beane needs to focus on baseball
Uncommitted ownership and disengaged management of the franchise has left us with few valuable major league players and a very few prospects. Pretty tough to watch.
If NBA and NFL weren’t on strike it would be even less interesting.
lol
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by Buck Turgidson on Jul 10, 2011 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Uggggghlol?
He’s on Atlanta, right?
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yesterday was miserable. i watched two last-minute defeat/tie-from-jaws-of-victory moments and it really ruined my outlook on everything. why am i emotionally tied to sports? help!
CAUSE THE USA IS BEATING BRAZIL!!!!!!!!
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right now? i can’t believe i’m about to root for US soccer! (they better win.)
by AV on Jul 10, 2011 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions
right now. it's on espn.
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yeah, already there. um, about to go into the half? or almost over?
by AV on Jul 10, 2011 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions
halftime whistle just blew.
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how’d you see that mike? penalty?
oh dude… IRRELEVANT! saved.
by AV on Jul 10, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
nah, that was bullshit. Marta left her feet first
and I love Hope Solo and want to have her babies
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besides the typical anti-US bias in national level soccer, yeah
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even more bullshit.
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That call
was one of most bullshit calls I’ve ever seen. Even worse than the call on Edu in the men’s world cup last year. Fucking ridiculous!!
by longtimeasfan on Jul 10, 2011 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Brazil lost. USA!! USA!! USA!!
we beat brazil, the refs and fifa all at the same time
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Yeah but it's women
I’m used to rooting for US Women’s Soccer, they have been sort of good for a while
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by Buck Turgidson on Jul 10, 2011 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Losing 3 like this to TX...
makes me want to just wave the white flag, crawl into a corner and lick my wounds.
I'm fully expecting the sweep today to really put the nail in the coffin
Instead of being maybe 6 back or 4 if they somehow swept the series, they’re going to be 10 or more likely 12 back.
They’re done.
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I know.
The frustrating part is…that it didn’t have to happen this way. If only the A’s weren’t so cheap-assed and had added some guys who could hit. But that’s the A’s for us.
They did try
They really tried to get Beltre and were very serious in their pursuit of Berkman. Had those two guys signed the A’s would be a whole lot better right now.
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And that dolt Bud Selig is still sitting on that Blue Ribbon report as the A's languish
If Oakland was Los Angeles or New York, we would’ve had a resolution on this stadium/territorial rights issue two years ago.
The A’s have been wrapped up in a seemingly inescapable Catch-22 scenario by its owners, Selig, it’s hometown politicians, and the economic downturn in California. Things have just been so unlucky for this team as of late…
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
by franks a lot on Jul 10, 2011 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
IF is the middle word in life, my friend
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by Buck Turgidson on Jul 10, 2011 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
WAMBACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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YEAHHH!
Unbelievable.
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by Buck Turgidson on Jul 10, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
This game is
absolutely nuts! So freaking intense!
by longtimeasfan on Jul 10, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
That bogus injury by Erika...
I’ve seen some tomfoolery watching futbol, but sheesh. That was a new low.
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by Buck Turgidson on Jul 10, 2011 11:03 AM PDT reply actions
and yet, if it wasn’t for that crap, there wouldn’t have been 3 minutes added and brasil would’ve won. the irony!
well there was a "cramp" right before that as well
so there was going to be extra time – but yeah, that goal was with like 30 seconds left, right?
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by Buck Turgidson on Jul 10, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Probably wouldn't have been 3 minutes of extra time
And it was one of the most faked injury/recovery things I’ve ever seen in soccer.
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Yup. Between that and Marta acting like a spoiled brat all game
I lost a lot of respect for Brazil today and it’s very fitting that the US came back.
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I know that kind of "gamesmanship" happens a lot in soccer but I hate, hate, hate it
Just play the damn game and stop trying to waste time by rolling around and getting on a stretcher. If you have to do that, you don’t deserve the win.
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agreed. Trust me I've played for 30 years, it's what I hate about it.
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SOLO!!!!!!!!!
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thanks dude. i was mad at you for making me care. but now i’m happy. proves an old argentine idiom: equipo de 10 no pierde. team of 10 can’t lose.
That was gutwrenching. Hard to trump Donovan's goal v. Algeria but I think Wambach did it.
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Oh man...Donovan's goal
brings back some awesome memories…
How long until we’re jumping up and down the same way b/c of the A’s?
One of most intense
sporting matches I’ve seen. Amazing. The heart and soul that US showed in that game really was incredible.
by longtimeasfan on Jul 10, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
GET AWAY SHE'S MINE
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a player down against Brasil!
big time
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by Buck Turgidson on Jul 10, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Looking at the highlights
I don’t think Hamilton ever touched the home plate…so a win for the A’s? (anything?)
Scheduled for 11:45am.
But I can just magically make it happen now…Hang on..
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And there you go.
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to be correct on torrealba
that is called catcher’s interference. batter’s interference, for instance, is when a batter gets in the way of a catcher during a throw to 2nd

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