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The Harden Non-Trade and the 2011 Season

UPDATE 11:40AM: RHP Brad Ziegler has been dealt to the Arizona Diamondbacks in exchange for 1B Brandon Allen and LHP Jordan Norberto. 

Greetings Athletics Nation,

I am excited to be the new "Sunday (SUNDAY! SUNDAY!) guy" here at Athletics Nation. I guess a little about me and where I am coming from, I was a long time lurker and really always enjoyed reading everything and everyone's opinion here. Busy with work all the time, I never really decided to get involved and just would sit at home and watch the games (often several hours or days late) and read as much news and blog posts and comments I could consume but that was it. I've always enjoyed writing, and this year one of my New Year's resolutions was to share my love of baseball and my many opinions on it by creating a blog. I started commenting on here, and then right after the New Year started my website the Todd Van Poppel Rookie Card Retirement Plan. Really I had the idea months earlier to start a blog but wanted to wait until I had a name I liked. Therefore once I got one, I could pawn off crappy work and say, hey at least the name is cool. To this day I still think most people like the name more than the content, but I'm fine with that. At that point I also became a more frequent poster and commenter on AN (though my posts until now) have been far more infrequent than my comments so many of you will be seeing me for the first time here.

In terms of baseball philosophy, I lean stathead but really value things like happy clubhouses and other psychological factors. I feel more confident talking about roster construction than in-game strategy because I think that ultimately the stats say more about roster construction than they do about how to play certain scenarios. I tend to be more optimistic than pessimistic (though this post may counter that view), and ultimately at the end of the day I just enjoy the game. Ever since I opened up my first pack of baseball cards of which I can still remember many of the contents, (it was that great wood-grained 1987 Topps set) guys like Wayne Tolleson, Expos Manager Buck Rodgers and the checklist on the back, Wally Backman and more, I've been hooked on the game. Hopefully I can share my passion for baseball with all of you. Now onto the trade that wasn't!

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Yesterday evening during the game it was reported in numerous locations that the A's and Red Sox had agreed to a deal that would send Rich Harden to the Red Sox in return for Pawtucket (AAA) first baseman Lars Anderson. Anderson has a little problem breaking into the Red Sox lineup for the near future so I am sure he was happy about the trade, but the Red Sox ultimately were not happy with the medical report they got on Harden (is this really that surprising?) and nixed the deal.

To me this non-trade sort of encapsulated our entire season. Anderson might've been no good but still, a Northern California native, he was described in this scouting report at the Sons of Sam Horn Wiki as,

"Tall slugger with a great hitter's frame, excellent present power, and an elite power ceiling. Extremely smooth and fluid swing. Impeccable batting eye with very good patience at the plate, he actually could stand to be a little more aggressive. Hits especially well to the opposite field, but can also pull the ball on occasion."

He sounded like the type of guy the A's would love to have, especially when we are decidedly low on people with "excellent present power" and certainly have few anyone would ever use the words "elite power" with. But instead of unloading an asset we really didn't need for a stretch run that will be likely without a playoff berth (nor sniff at one) and getting an asset that has the potential to be just what we need to solve a problem, the deal is off, we keep Harden and poor Lars gets to show off his stuff for the good people of Rhode Island. Disappointing to us who know we need hitters and that losing Harden didn't represent mortgaging our future. Everything looked good, then it turned bad. That sort of is 2011 to me.

I, like many here, loved this team's chances going into the season. We had great pitching and even if Trevor Cahill regressed because his BABIP would climb, Gio would do better, we had depth in our rotation, our bullpen was going to solve any problem our rotation might ever get into, Josh Willingham was going to come and give us a legitimate power threat along with an aged like a fine wine Matsui who still would be more Godzilla and less Geico Gecko, Daric Barton was going to learn to hit with more power and new addition David DeJesus would be up there hitting .300 and being a doubles and triples machine. While if someone told me that we would be having Guillermo Moscoso and Graham Godfrey in our rotation for a time in April I'd have said, wow we are screwed, ultimately even that didn't fell our chances.

We simply couldn't hit. It wasn't just a a few points behind their career averages type of thing. We had tons of guys who had career worst years simultaneously. Mark Ellis was worth as many WAR as an offensive player (0.0) as Brett Anderson. Moscoso (0.0) and his striking out 2-of-3 times he went to the player was worth more offensively than Barton (-0.3). It seemed that every guy on the team endured long stretches where their batting averages in the .100's were more like the ISO's of Rangers bench players. In a year when we thought we'd contend, we didn't. We spent a lot of time instead in fourth place.

That's how this deal sort of sums up this year. The tease of something better, the ultimate inexplicable failure to get whatever needed to be done done. The trade deadline is this afternoon at 1PM PDT - there is still time for Billy Beane to make a move or two. There are many great things about baseball, the crack of the bat; sitting in glorious sunshine on a Sunday afternoon (after reading whatever I've written going forward); the fact that you can't run down a clock and need to face the music and get 27 guys out; and the fact that ultimately there is always next year.

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Very nice intro.

I still have my wood grain cards. I started just before you did, around 1985. I would beg my dad to take me to the store to get my stickers, baseball cards and candy. (They did seem to have a high amount of Royal, Brewer, and Expo cards). Now kids don’t buy baseball cards, and sticker books have disappeared. My cousins collect Pokemon cards, of all things. Times sure have changed.

by player20 on Jul 31, 2011 6:23 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

oh baseball cards and sticker books, where have you gone?

I started in that same time frame of ‘87-’88-’89. Those were good times

by bruceXbandit on Jul 31, 2011 6:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

i have a ton also....

my parents were very surprised when they awoke one morning to find that i had scotched taped all of them to my bed room wall completely covering all four walls and wasting every roll of scotch tape we had in the house.

by bruceXbandit on Jul 31, 2011 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Come on. Everyone knows the walls are for SI for Kids Athlete posters.

Bo Jackson, Barry Parking, and Darryl Strawberry stayed on the wall until I moved out.

by player20 on Jul 31, 2011 7:38 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I can't remember the company

But one company used to do posters where the players were photoshopped onto other things. I used to love those. Like itd be like a guy with a hot stick and his bat would be on fire or something like that. Something “Brothers” if I remember right.

by dwishinsky on Jul 31, 2011 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

omg i had that

didnt that come with his SNES game?

by bruceXbandit on Jul 31, 2011 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

oops

reply fail to the Griffey poster

by bruceXbandit on Jul 31, 2011 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

I forgot about the sticker books!

I had both the Topps and Panini ones. I remember, they’d end up so ragged by the time I finally got all the stickers, barely open without pages falling out. Then all those extra stickers ended up decorating the binders I put my baseball cards into.

by dwishinsky on Jul 31, 2011 7:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

There is a website

I believe that it is the topps website, where one can submit an image and they will produce a card with the 1987 wood grain bearing said image.

http://topps.mytradingcards.com/

here it is.

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by Athletics fan and runner on Jul 31, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Welcome to Sunday!

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 7:04 AM PDT reply actions  

Thanks!

All the reporters got back to me which was really cool, but Bob Rose said the magic words “option waivers” that really helped clarify the whole thing. Here I had thought after 30 years I knew all the ins-and-outs, guess I was wrong.

by dwishinsky on Jul 31, 2011 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Braves just stole Michael Bourn for

Jordan Schafer, Brett Oberholtzer, Paul Clemens and Juan Abreu

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 7:07 AM PDT reply actions  

Its interesting

Because a lot of reports are saying the asking price is too high for Willingham and Crisp. Yet Hunter Pence went from being good player to “future HOFer Pence!” practically at the deadline. Wonder what we’re asking in return for these guys that has all these teams bowing out?

by dwishinsky on Jul 31, 2011 7:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can see why they wouldn't trade us Oberholtzer for Crisp when they could use him as

the main piece in a trade for Bourn…maybe along with Schafer. I’d actually be fine keeping Willingham for the picks.

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am not saying our offerings are topline (let's be honest they arent)

But I have really come around and am starting to be fine with the Willingham for picks deal. I suppose any new CBA won’t effect the rules for this offseason so no worries there.

by dwishinsky on Jul 31, 2011 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Pence is 3-3.5 WAR guy, he's not a star by any means.

Biggest mind-blow of the deadline is the hype around such an “pretty decent” player.

by PL78 on Jul 31, 2011 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

He averaged a 3.7 his previous four seasons

And there’s more to players than just WAR.

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by Flashfire on Jul 31, 2011 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cool definition

Because out his 5 years in the Majors he was under 3.5 only once

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by elcroata on Jul 31, 2011 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

dwish, I think the A's are victimized by their park effect.

Some front office still care about RBI and batting average more that they should.

If you look at only the “baseball card stats” of Hunter Pence and Willingham, and you scout them and can clearly see that Pence runs better and looks like a better athlete, then your front office would grade out Pence as a much, much better player. I’m not saying he isn’t better, just that the difference between them seems greater than it actually is to some front offices.

The Phillies, not coincidentally, probably are one of those front offices, as evidenced by their Ryan Howard extension. Howard is being paid for being an “RBI man,” etc.

My main point is that when the A’s are trying to shop an offensive player, it’s a tough sell around the league, because “we” value all our guys more than anyone else does.

Hence my desire to shop pitching, almost all the time (right now I like the idea of shopping Gio to the Yanks).

The Oakland A's: If you have a no-trade clause in your contract, we're in it.

by notsellingjeans on Jul 31, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Isn't Schafer supposed to be pretty good?

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by cuppingmaster on Jul 31, 2011 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Back when he was on PEDs, sure

Been rather meh since then. He won’t hurt you in CF but he looks like a guy you play while you shop to find someone better.

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by grover on Jul 31, 2011 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I really liked Oberholtzer.

Since they have the Teheran/Minor/Vizcaino crop of top guys, I was hoping maybe they’d part with him if they got desperate for one of the A’s outfielders.

by NateHST on Jul 31, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Balfour's being considered by the D'Backs so maybe something will come there.

Personally I’d rather keep him as he’s been consistently strong all year in the pen.

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by noesis78 on Jul 31, 2011 7:23 AM PDT reply actions  

Yeah of all the trade pieces

He is by far the last one I’d like to see leave.

by dwishinsky on Jul 31, 2011 7:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Reply fail

Yeah thats a good point
I’d love to get rid of Wuertz, he is a one-trick pony with the slider.

by dwishinsky on Jul 31, 2011 7:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's fine as long as the slider is working

When it’s not working, he’s awful. And it doesn’t work when he’s even slightly injured, and he continues to pitch. This is why I’d like to see him gone.

by richwol1 on Jul 31, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

You have a point.

Baltimore had an all-star reliever a few years ago, and they let him go. I think his name was Sherill. I’m not going to get too attached to any of our relievers, especially after these recent performances.

by player20 on Jul 31, 2011 7:31 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Sounds like a plan. We have been fortunate to have had more good relievers/ closers than bad over the last 9 or so years.

I expect that trend to continue. As for position players, keep Willingham and Weeks. I am impartial to the rest.

by player20 on Jul 31, 2011 7:54 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

You're sold on DeJesus beyond this year?

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

This year is I think a terrible anamoly

I’d trust him to rebound more than Willingham or Crisp to stay healthy and productive.

by dwishinsky on Jul 31, 2011 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

He should come cheaply anyway

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd hope.

I think the difficult part is either you need to overpay on a longer-term deal or his agent has him sign a 1-year to rebuild value and does so in a hitter’s park.

by dwishinsky on Jul 31, 2011 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd be on board with that.

A 1 year deal sounds like it would be beneficial for both parties. DDJ might be motivated to play a little harder to increase his value. If someone liked what they saw and threw the kitchen sink at him, so be it. If no one else wants him, Billy can decide where to go from there.

by player20 on Jul 31, 2011 8:13 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

he's not a power hitter. that's not his game

there’s no park reason for him not to do what he’s always done offensively.

by OaklandSi on Jul 31, 2011 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sure

But we are bad for hits in general and triples and right around average for doubles. If I am him, even if it isnt a power hitters park, I want somewhere where I can utilize my speed.

by dwishinsky on Jul 31, 2011 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

DDJ might be at a crossroads.

If there was another team that really wanted him (I guess Toronto did), they would have got him before the season started. I would say from Game 1 until now, his value has decreased. We may possibly be his last shot, considering KC was willing to part with him.

by player20 on Jul 31, 2011 8:31 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don't agree

if you hit the ball square you’re likely to get hits a good amount of the time, regardless of the park. DDJ’s performance is due to a combination of factors.

by OaklandSi on Jul 31, 2011 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

If DeJesus wasn’t “motivated to play a little harder” in his first ever free agency walk year, why would he be on a one-year deal? This season has basically been his one-year deal.

by doctawojo on Jul 31, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am on the fence with Coco.

I wasn’t too enthused when we got him last year. But I grew to like him in his partial season. Speedy leadoff hitter, occasional pop. I thought we would see more of that this year. But it seems like there has been a decrease in his XBH production, and he seems a bit slower at times. I do love his defense (not so much the arm), but if he were to leave, I don’t think it would bother me much.

by player20 on Jul 31, 2011 8:20 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

There has been a decrease in XBH, though not much of one

Last year: 32.1% of his hits were for XB
This year: 30.0%

It’s just that last year, 12 of his 26 XBH (out of 81 H) were 3B & HR, and this year it’s at 9 of his 30 (100 H).

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by Flashfire on Jul 31, 2011 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right. But his higher production came in a shorter, more sporadic period of time.

Thank you for the research, Flashfire. It just seemed like Coco was “more clutch” last year. He just doesn’t seem to be getting on base as much. Maybe it is just me.

by player20 on Jul 31, 2011 8:54 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

It's hard to consistently get on base when you keep swinging at so many pitches

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by elcroata on Jul 31, 2011 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's not

OBP last year: .342
This year: .325

SLG is also down, helping lead to about a .070 drop in OPS.

Seeing fewer pit/PA as well – 3.71 last year, 3.46 this year.

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by Flashfire on Jul 31, 2011 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

If we could keep DeJesus at a bargain price, I wouldn't mind.

I still think he is a better hitter than he has shown. Unfortunately, I also thought the same thing about Laroche. I think he got a quick hook before he really got a chance. But I’m probably in the minority on that one.

by player20 on Jul 31, 2011 7:59 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah, well

That year for Sherrill (2008) was pretty bad and he was the lone Baltimore rep, sooooo…

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by Flashfire on Jul 31, 2011 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah thats a good point

I’d love to get rid of Wuertz, he is a one-trick pony with the slider.

by dwishinsky on Jul 31, 2011 7:28 AM PDT reply actions  

early morning tweets

from @susanslusser:

So no Harden to #RedSox because of Harden’s medicals, and no Crisp to #Braves b/c of Bourn deal. Still interest in #Athletics relievers.
More likely scenario, though: #Athletics make no moves, just as Beane had suggested last Tuesday.

I tend to agree with her. Beane said that he doesn’t need to shed payroll, other clubs aren’t offering anything worthwhile, and he didn’t see a reason to simply get rid of players.
Only the Harden possibility came close.

by OaklandSi on Jul 31, 2011 7:50 AM PDT reply actions  

I bet Ziegler could fetch a good return

I know earlier in the week she talked about that in her “stay put” piece.

by dwishinsky on Jul 31, 2011 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

With the Storen talks at an impasse, this might be the time to offer Bailey for Span

Twins wanted Bernadinha and Lombardozzi too, and maybe we could offer Crisp and Cardenas with Bailey

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

While Span is a great ballplayer

I’d like to use Bailey to get a power bat. While not an easy sell, it is an easier sell to get doubles/triples guys to Oakland than it is HR guys. We need HR guys.

by dwishinsky on Jul 31, 2011 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure I agree that we specifically want "HR" guys in a non-HR park, but

we also need a CF and Span is a terrific defender who can take a walk signed through 2015

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

True true

We had HR guys in our non-HR park like Giambi and Tejada. A good ballplayer is a good ballplayer but we can’t always piece together 8 runs like we did yesterday with no dingers.

by dwishinsky on Jul 31, 2011 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

If we were to tailor an offense to the park, it would have a bunch of guys

who could draw walks, had 2B and 3B power and run the bases….like Weeks…and of course Rickey.

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

Problem is everyone is looking for guys with higher OBPs now. That cat is out of the bag.

by dwishinsky on Jul 31, 2011 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Beane should have never made that movie

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

or written the book

well cooperate anyway. i know he didn’t write it

by heartstopper on Jul 31, 2011 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

That cat

would have found its way out regardless of whether BB offered time to be interviewed for Lewis’ book.

It’s not like BB came up with the idea that OBP had more correlation with Ws than AVG or other stats that were normally sought after. There was already a growing community of stat guys making that argument. BB just happened to be the first GM to have the balls to listen to those guys and use their insights to create an advantage.

With or without the Moneyball book, those ideas would never have remained a BB “secret.”

by juanmiguel on Jul 31, 2011 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Really?

Rickey listened to statheads? I want to know more…

by juanmiguel on Aug 1, 2011 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Also the Yankees were doing it all through the 90s with the high OBP, high P/PA stuff. You have to think it wasn’t just coincidental. (Maybe it was?) But it isnt an exciting story, wealthiest baseball team succeeds by spending lots of money and oh yeah they have this theory on OBP as an undervalued resource that they can still afford!

by dwishinsky on Jul 31, 2011 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe

it was coincidental. Yankees almost always had teams made up of the best HR guys with a few high AVG guys in there. Both those things tend to lead to good OBP. Beane was all about finding the high OBP guys that didn’t have high AVG, HR, or look good in jeans. That was a different way to approach it. For example, a guy like Swisher probably would have been dropped from the Yanks in the 90s because his HR numbers didn’t make up for the low AVG. Now that they look at his OBP it totally makes sense to keep him around.

by juanmiguel on Aug 1, 2011 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Welcome to the Sunday Rotation Spot

Even though you throw the well disputed “We need HR guys” theme around

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by elcroata on Jul 31, 2011 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

We do.

Power isn’t the be all and end all, but when you have as little as the A’s have, it’s a problem independent of the “need better hitters in general” issue. The A’s don’t need lots of power, but they need some.

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by Nico on Jul 31, 2011 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Says who?

I’ve heard this a million times, never backed up by any research, data or logical explanation (I am not saying that opinions can not be voiced without being backed up, but they sure increase in importance if they are).

So far only AN effort to understand this and shed any light on it (that I am aware of) is my own and it shows that you DO NOT NEED a specific number of home runs to be successful.

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by elcroata on Jul 31, 2011 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree - you don't need a specific number of home runs to be successful.

But lacking any “quick strike” capability, you need to have a TON of OBP in order to string together what’s needed for crooked numbers and to avoid just being high in LOBs instead of RUNZ.

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by Nico on Jul 31, 2011 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

If we can agree wOBA is a good indicator of a player's offensive prowess

and I think most here will agree on that, then it is irrelevant how this wOBA was constructed. Made out of mostly singles? Lots of strike outs and lots of home runs? Great eye, little power? Who cares?

It’s like saying that $100 made out of 5 $20 dollar bills are worth less than $100 made out of 2 $50 ones.

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by elcroata on Jul 31, 2011 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sure but...

if you own a business, that makes $100. and you earn it via 100 transactions of $1. that may work for you. What if you could make one transaction for $100? There is a cost potentially in that. Thats what I think we’re getting at.

by dwishinsky on Jul 31, 2011 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

That is a pretty bad analogy

as there is no cost to mentioned “transactions” in baseball

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by elcroata on Jul 31, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

This may be very accurate on average, but I do think it works better

against worse pitchers and worse against better pitchers

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Show it

Make a study comparing best 30 FIP pitchers against teams with high OBA versus those with high SLG

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by elcroata on Jul 31, 2011 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just my opinion,

but I suspect there will (or at least should) be a day when wOBA is slightly tweaked to lean a little more towards slugging / away from OBP from where it is today. Not a ton, mind you, but a little.

OBP w/o SLG + OBP w/o SLG is a great recipe for lots o’ LOB.

SLG w/o OBP + SLG w/o OBP is a great recipe for a few single runs here and there.

OBP w/o SLG + SLG w/o OBP yields an unyielding supply of RBI doubles, 3 run HRs and WINZ!!! Send $7.99 plus S/H for your starter packet now and begin enjoying by Tuesday!!!!

Oh, and OBP with SLG is best of all! But that kit costs $79.99.

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by Nico on Jul 31, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

wOBA is, unlike all other stats not a theory

Over millions and millions of game situations, real outcomes were looked at and what they produced. The value of a HR and a value of a BB were acquired form all the examples that we can think of and then some.

You can’t tweak wOBA unless the game itself tweaks it.

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by elcroata on Jul 31, 2011 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

this.

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by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

First of all, the game itself is constantly tweaking it

From the “dead ball era” to the lowering of the mound to the steroid era to now, it’s tweaking itself in ways that directly impact BBs and HRs, runs and outs.

If I were playing any simulated game, I would use wOBA like it was the Bible. In the unique game of on the field baseball, where it’s about these players in this combination playing in this era, wOBA is an excellent guide and is not perfect.

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by Nico on Jul 31, 2011 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am not saying it's perfect

But it’s much better than “my gut tells me that SLG is underrated”

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by elcroata on Jul 31, 2011 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I gotcha.

Basically we seem to agree that it’s very good and not perfect.

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by Nico on Jul 31, 2011 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

wOBA is adjusted year to year

And yes, the weights have changed too.

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by vignette17 on Jul 31, 2011 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting. How so?

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by Nico on Jul 31, 2011 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

The original study was 1999-2002.

Where they looked at all singles hit, and averaged out the number of runs hit from that point until the end of the inning.

But they keep readjusting that calculation every year.

by danmerqury on Jul 31, 2011 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

What I'm wondering is in which direction

has it been adjusting.

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by Nico on Jul 31, 2011 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

FWIW, OBP correlated a lot more with

wRC+ in the 1990s than SLG and now it’s reversed

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ah. So isn't this what I'm arguing?

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by Nico on Jul 31, 2011 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

No

First, you are not arguing pro-slugging, you are arguing pro-HR. Second, you are basically saying that of the values of equal value, the one who hits more HR is a better fit for the A’s.

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by elcroata on Jul 31, 2011 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not really.

While slugging has a slightly (slightly!) higher impact now than it did in 1999-2002, it doesn’t change anything regarding the linearity of power. It’s still not worth more if you have none.

by danmerqury on Jul 31, 2011 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

This may be true. I looked at 1991-2000

vs 2001-2010

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Your "slightly" doesn't contradict what I'm arguing

From the git-go I’ve said slightly.

And I don’t dispute the non-linearity part, just that when you have so little of something you need it’s a real problem.

Of course the A’s also have a sucky OBP, so that’s a real problem too.

As you probably know, I am a believer in the importance of balance and I have no intention of rehashing that debate again since no one will change their mind and it’s an old debate.

What I will say is that I think the “9 Hattebergs” thing was really misleading. Hatteberg had a .374 OBP that season and had 15 HRs. If you had a lineup whose cumulative OBP was .374 you’d score a ton of runs? Really? Who knew?

Especially if that same lineup combined for 135 HRs, the same as a lineup with a 2 30-HR hitters, 2 20-HR hitters, 3 10-HR hitters, and a 5-HR hitter (with a .374 OBP)? Who knew???

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by Nico on Jul 31, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure that "balance"

is exactly the part the others are disagreeing with when you say “we need more power”. Not the slight yearly nudges of the various coefficients in the wOBA formula.

You believe that a team that already has plenty of OBP and not much SLG benefits more from additional SLG than additional OBP, while a team that has plenty of SLG and not much OBP benefits more from additional OBP. Others are saying that’s not true, that so long as the factors are scaled appropriately the balance part adds no additional value.

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by iglew on Jul 31, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hasn't a team some kind of his own run environment?

The run environment has changed to lower power the last 10 years or so. The run value of power has risen subsequently.

The As have less power than the average team. So the As run environment should lead to higher run values for power than the league average.

I think it doesn’t make a lot of difference, but the point that HR have more value on the As seems to be right.

by Rio on Jul 31, 2011 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it's a function of park rather than

team offense. The Coliseum suppresses runs, so a HR is worth more there, and so is a SB, while a BB is worth less.

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am not convinced that such an assumption is correct

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by elcroata on Jul 31, 2011 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Does this link help. From Tango:
As the run environment goes down, so does the run value of the walk. So, relatively speaking, the HR value compared to the walk increases as the run environment goes down, and decreases as the run environment goes up.

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here's a BTBS link

It has all the weights for each year. You can see when they increase which stats are more valuable each year.

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by vignette17 on Jul 31, 2011 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

They're remarkably consistent

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep.

It really doesn’t change much, at all.

by danmerqury on Jul 31, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

True

Most notable is HR. Its max post 1900 was 2.42 in 1908 (Dead Ball Era) and its min was 1.93 in 1930 (a high offense year; in 2000 it was 1.95).

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by vignette17 on Jul 31, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

This does show that there is an inverse

relationship between run environment and the value of a HR though. The low run environment of 1968 meant a HR was worth 2.34 Runs while a HR was only worth 1.93 Runs in the Chuck Klein year of 1930.

Since the effect of facing good pitchers is essentially to lower the run environment, it tells me that it’s better to have fewer events to score runs when facing them.

You get a similar picture when looking at the relative value of a SB vs CS. In 1968 SB was worth .29 Runs and CS .48 Runs. In 1930, SB is worth only .23 Runs and CS .56 Runs.

When facing a good pitcher outs become less valuable, since Runs/Out are lower. It makes sense to try to steal in less certain situations.

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

This falls a bit short

facing a good pitcher does not necessarily suppress runs in the same way that, say, a dead ball does.

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by elcroata on Jul 31, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why not?

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because a good pitcher might suppress runs through lots of strikeouts

Whereas dead ball just reduces home runs, for example.

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by elcroata on Jul 31, 2011 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

1968 wasn't a "Dead Ball" period

it was a period with lots of strikeouts as the strike zone was expanded.

The point isn’t how the runs are prevented, the point is that because runs are difficult to score, outs become less valuable. I think the numbers in the link bear that out.

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wasn't talking about 1968

Look, I think you have a sound idea and that perhaps you are on to something. Perhaps you are not.

The higher value of a HR in a low scoring environment is not showing that having high HR guys works better against “good” pitchers than having high OBP guys or high 2B guys. It would, if you could assume that batters will perform to their nominal triple slash all the time. You are assuming that a guy with high HR total will hit his fair share against top pitchers. Might be. Might not be, too.

For all we know, perhaps good pitchers are better at suppressing SLG than they are in suppressing OBP. I don’t know. Neither do you.

So, an assumption that high HR guys are more valuable against good pitching than their low HR counterparts of equal total value is still pure speculation.

If someone would do the before mentioned study, we could talk about this based on some facts. Until then I see no reason to assume it correct.

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by elcroata on Aug 1, 2011 4:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

It doesn't strike me as probable

that good pitchers — i.e. those with more K and fewer BB — would be better at suppressing SLG than OBP, but I suppose it’s possible that extreme GB pitchers who also happen to be amongst the Top 30 FIP pitchers would be better at that. The study is a good idea and I’ll do it when I can.

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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 1, 2011 7:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not slugging - HR

Good pitchers also have lower HR/9.

I am on it, might have something up later today

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by elcroata on Aug 1, 2011 7:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oooh. Awesome!

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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 1, 2011 8:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's an intriguing idea

and you made some good points, as I said. Now, I’m curious myself

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by elcroata on Aug 1, 2011 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

This.

The game dictates the weights. It’s rather clever in that regard.

by danmerqury on Jul 31, 2011 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Linear weights isn't the only model of run scoring

I have assigned myself the task today of understanding BaseRuns, but from what I know now, it’s a model that takes lineup context into account. It’s intuitively true (to me, at least?) that different types of players (in terms of shape of offensive performance) will have different effects on different lineups. BaseRuns, as I understand it, takes that into account. Linear weights do not.

That is, I don’t know if Nico is right right, but I agree with the underlying assumption of what he’s getting at, which is that not all players will affect all teams equally.

by doctawojo on Jul 31, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

OR

they need more OBP. Or better pitching. Or better fielding

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by elcroata on Jul 31, 2011 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

I love you right now.

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by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Haha.

Well in fairness, I did it in the comments.

But, I do think that it makes it a more uphill battle to win without any threats for quick run production.

by dwishinsky on Jul 31, 2011 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree, FWIW

10 years ago, OBP was under appreciated and SLG was over appreciated. The pendulum may have swung not to the middle, but too far the other way.

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by Nico on Jul 31, 2011 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Heh

Fair enough. I understand having such a feeling and I can see how it can be shared by many people. I am just pretty convinced it is a wrong one.

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by elcroata on Jul 31, 2011 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

I do think "quick run production" is valuable against good pitchers though

whether it be via HR or SB

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right --

sometimes you’ll face a Derek Lowe and won’t hit a lot of HRs but might need to be able to steal a base to be successful. Other times you’ll face a wild rookie and will need to be patient. Other times you’ll face Danny Haren, who throws a ton of strikes but gives up dingerz.

It’s good to have weapons to beat different types of pitchers, and to win different types of games — including ones where you might find yourself trailing 5-2 and needing one swing of the bat with runners on to get back even.

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by Nico on Jul 31, 2011 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think it's just hard to try to string multiple hits together against

better pitching. I’d rather hope Felix Hernandez makes one mistake and your burn him with a HR, or he walks Michael Bourn who creates a run by himself.

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

How many times do you face Felix in a season?

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by elcroata on Jul 31, 2011 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Too many!

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sometimes you will get that HR

Sometimes (much, much more often) your slugger will strike out. And sometimes you will string 2 BB a 2B and a single together.

Pointing to a specific situation and a possible outcome of it is not really a way to show that a general theory is a sound one.

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by elcroata on Jul 31, 2011 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

If you could have 7 different 1B and the luxury to playing the one most opportune to the current situation, then yes

But you don’t. You have one player for 650 plate appearances. And the times when you would love a power guy up will even up against those where you don’t want to make an out. Times when you will face good pitchers will even up with those when you face mediocre ones. The players with similar strengths will produce similarly over a course of a season, no matter how those strengths are divided up.

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by elcroata on Jul 31, 2011 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

But I'd rather have the shape of my Whoa Ba be slanted toward

success against better pitching if I could. I’d probably even accept a slightly lower Whoa Ba to achieve that.

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

You don't know that

Anything to back up the theory that good pitchers are hurt more by sluggers than good OBA teams?

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by elcroata on Jul 31, 2011 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

THIS

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by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think theoretically if you look at just the stats

Sure, there are multiple ways to get runs. But I think there is something to be said for a team psyche that having one guy who can tie it up with the 3R HR. It makes it feel less daunting like with our offense how everything has to be piecemeal.

by dwishinsky on Jul 31, 2011 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Or let's put it this way

Is there anyone out there who thinks that an A’s lineup made of 2010 equivalents of Joe Mauer would make that team anything but awesome on offense because of the lack of “quick strike threat” ?

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by elcroata on Jul 31, 2011 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oy. Obviously if the OBP is high enough,

or the doubles production high enough, it will completely offset other shortcomings. I also would be willing to try a lineup of 9 Pujols’ even though they wouldn’t steal enough bases.

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by Nico on Jul 31, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

But that is not what you guys were saying above, sorry

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by elcroata on Jul 31, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Although

By now I have made my point and am only trying to prove you were wrong in yours.

And, as I don’t want to be this guy:

I’ll go back to making my pear-ginger marmalade. Later, guys

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by elcroata on Jul 31, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

want!

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by lynnzgal on Jul 31, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

too late.

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by kenntoe on Jul 31, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

You obviously know little about pears

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by elcroata on Jul 31, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would love to see Span for Bailey.

Great idea, I support it wholeheartedly.

by PL78 on Jul 31, 2011 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

goes until 4pm EDT i believe

that would be 5 hours (at time of your post)

by heartstopper on Jul 31, 2011 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

that's right. I'm far away and trying to

adjust everything to the west coast in my posts.

as of right now (the time on my laptop, not the time this post shows up) there are 4 hours and 10 minutes left.

by OaklandSi on Jul 31, 2011 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

There may not have been a "need" to shed payroll, but if it had enabled us to sign someone

like Leonys Martin I would have liked it

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

You're right

Even if we can afford these guys, if we do shed payroll it does possibly free up more extravagance down the road. Unless, the A’s operate like some companies and governments do, i.e. if you have it in your budget and dont spend it. You don’t get it again in the future.

by dwishinsky on Jul 31, 2011 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Beane made a disparaging comment about the quality of the prospects offered so far

and also said he didn’t want to disrespect Melvin by “strip-mining” the current team.

by OaklandSi on Jul 31, 2011 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think it's attachment to the current guys so much as

not wanting to give him a team full of rookies if all the veterans are dealt.

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by iglew on Jul 31, 2011 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's not that he prefers them

It’s just what’s being offered isn’t even close to being of similar value to the experience that those players provide, terrible play notwithstanding.

by RedOscar on Jul 31, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

I understand and mostly agree.

I’m just saying that’s what makes sense in the context of “respect for the manager”. He’s not talking about what makes most sense for the team’s future. He’s talking about Melvin feeling like he’s managing a AAA club right now.

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by iglew on Jul 31, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

cheap ass teams

  There I said it. To many of these teams want you to trade a player for some 25th best player you have in the minors and by the way pick up a few million dollars on top of it. Damn them all. These teams are drooling over hitters from a hitters park that are barely over .300. Bourn will be a 250 hitter in Atlanta. The only players I would trade are Feuntes, DeJesus and Weurtz all the rest keep for draft picks since nobody wants to offer anything of quality.

by Arcman on Jul 31, 2011 8:31 AM PDT reply actions  

DDJ rates as a B

It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.

by ru155 on Jul 31, 2011 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes but Arcman already wanted to trade him

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

If you mean DeJesus then yes

  I just don’t see offering him arbitration and it looks like Sweeney can give you the same numbers. Just doubt you could get very much for DeJesus on the trade market with his down year.

by Arcman on Jul 31, 2011 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

i'd be content

bringing DDJ back next year on a cheap contract. I think he really had a rough season and could bounce back.

It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.

by ru155 on Jul 31, 2011 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Heck, if he were on any other team I'd want to buy low on him

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by Nico on Jul 31, 2011 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

there are like 5 guys ahead of him for type B status

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by cuppingmaster on Jul 31, 2011 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

on the fringe

  A good second half nets a type B. I thought he had a team option of 6.5 million.

by Arcman on Jul 31, 2011 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

The stats used to calculate Type A/B status do not favor a player of Crisp's profile

He’s a great defender, he doesn’t hit bombs, he doesn’t get RBI…

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But he steals bases

And if he hits for a high enough average he could get into the B range.

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by grover on Jul 31, 2011 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

I get Beane's insistence on getting good pieces in return

Especially for Willingham, who has actually had a pretty solid year (OPS+ of 117 isn’t too shabby) and will net whoever trades for him 2 picks as he’ll be a Type A FA. He’s got legit HR power and seems to be a good clubhouse guy. That all combines for a pretty valuable commodity. Same with Crisp (Type B, probably), except switch out HRs for SBs and defense. Same with our relievers. These are all guys that can contribute to a contending team. So…if we don’t get fair offers, no reason to make trades. I thought the return for Harden (seriously, wtf Boston, everybody knows about Harden’s health) was fair – he’ll win you a few important games down the stretch.

by guy incognito on Jul 31, 2011 8:35 AM PDT reply actions  

This

No reason for Beane to play the “Nice Guy” role and strip the team he pulled together to only receive junk bonds in return.

I also think he’s positioned himself terrifically:

a) I don’t need to shed payroll – i.e. taking salary off my hands does nothing for me, so you better give me human assets

b) I am willing to deal – close to Harden deal that would have brought a good (not terrific) Boston prospect who is now blocked. Give me something real and you can have my players.

c) All your competitors have upgraded: Jimenez, Pence, Bourn, Furcal, Beltran, E.Jackson + Rasmus, D.Lee, O.Cabrera, etc. TIME IS ON BEANE’S SIDE, NOT YOURS

Make me an offer I can’t refuse.

It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.

by ru155 on Jul 31, 2011 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

"Make me an offer I can't refuse"

(crickets)

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Beane's sticking to that though
10:58am: The Red Sox tried to remove the player to be named later from the deal and just send Anderson after looking at Harden’s medicals, and were rebuffed by the A’s, tweets Sean McAdam.

It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.

by ru155 on Jul 31, 2011 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Crap, seriously?

Harden for L. Anderson is a perfectly good deal for the A’s.

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by Nico on Jul 31, 2011 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think I'm with you on that

Just wonder if Beane had pulled a F-ing A trade, and boston figured it out and tried to pull back.

It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.

by ru155 on Jul 31, 2011 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

i dunno

anderson isn’t anything special anymore. granted, harden has his track record of falling apart…but i think he’ll give you at least a few more good starts this year. and…lars hasn’t even OPS’d .800 the past 2 seasons.

by guy incognito on Jul 31, 2011 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Anderson has a 116 WRC+ as a 23 year old in AAA.

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by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is that good?

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

And couldn't get to you because he was blocked by Adrian Gonzalez.

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by Nico on Jul 31, 2011 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

well played

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by iglew on Jul 31, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not really

Unless Lars Anderson undergoes a radical change in his game you’re looking at a platoon 1B at best. It would be better to try and swap Harden for a younger player farther down on the farm.

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by grover on Jul 31, 2011 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

If another deal is possible

If L. Anderson can become an excellent platoon 1Bman (and I agree with you, that’s his future if he has one), and it’s that or stand pat, I make that deal.

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by Nico on Jul 31, 2011 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Then you're just making a deal to make a deal

It’s a move with no upside.

Better to cross your fingers and hope to pull off something decent on the waiver wire.

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by grover on Jul 31, 2011 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not if you think L. Anderson can be an excellent platoon player

at the big league level, excelling against 3/4 of the pitchers. That’s a good player at a position of need and he’s major league ready. If you think he’s just a failed prospect, then yes – and perhaps that’s what he is.

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by Nico on Jul 31, 2011 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not betting on excellent

Better to play Barton or Carter next season.

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by grover on Jul 31, 2011 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with your points

But, if we could dump an oft injured guy on Boston for a couple months for a guy who has potential then why not. Plus Rich said it himself, he likes Oakland and we could very likely re-sign him after this year and have a 1B in place. Who else do we really have to play 1st next year? Carter (DH), Barton (Likely DL) Jackson (gone).

by HRH on Jul 31, 2011 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Barton should be ready next season

Anderson doesn’t buy the A’s anything. He’ll compete with Barton and Carter next season and take up a spot on the 40 man roster.

I’m all for trading him to Boston for a guy with potential. But the target should be someone lower in Boston’s farm system. Go after someone a year or two away from needing to be on the 40 man.

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by grover on Jul 31, 2011 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

We need to keep a spot for Bruce Billings!

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by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

agreed

if they’re only going to give us one player, let it be one that might have a better shot of contributing. anderson isn’t even among their top 20 prospects anymore.

by guy incognito on Jul 31, 2011 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Anderson is among Boston's Top 20 prospects

After 2008, he was a Top 20 prospect in all the minors.

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by grover on Jul 31, 2011 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

i saw several boston boards saying he was maybe their 22nd best prospect

yeah, i know he was one of the game’s top prospects a few years back.

by guy incognito on Jul 31, 2011 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Shit

Have you seen the prospect lists THIS site has come up with?!?!

I tend to stick to the (relatively) unbiased sources like BP, BA and Sickels.

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by grover on Jul 31, 2011 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

STEPHEN PARKER

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by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

ha

fair point. sickels had him at the lower end of their top 20, and as a possible platoon hitter, right? that’s not terrible…but it’s not all that good.

by guy incognito on Jul 31, 2011 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

nobody's buying the anderson hype anymore, either

they couldn’t throw him into the adrian gonzalez deal no matter how hard they tried. everybody knows he’s blocked, and everybody can see he’s either stalled as a hitter or was just massively overhyped (like all boston/ny prospects). i’m not saying he can’t turn it around elsewhere…but that’s not something that should be factored as a high probability in calculating what anderson will end up being as a player. right now, i’d agree, he’s (at best) a serviceable platoon hitter. that’s not all that good.

by guy incognito on Jul 31, 2011 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

or. the. truth.

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by MissOakland on Jul 31, 2011 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

dum dum dum dum dum

this is exactly what i suspected

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by hero66 on Jul 31, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good for Beane.

There’s something to be said for walking away and not letting yourself get bargained down at the last minute. Everyone knows Harden is an injury risk, and if the medical exam just showed that and nothing actually new, it sounds to me like Theo is just trying to use it as an excuse to dink down the price on last time figuring Beane will give in rather than lose the trade altogether. If they had already agreed on a price, Beane is right to stick up for it.

It’s like if you’re selling something on CraigsList and you list it at $500, and someone emails and says he’ll offer $450, and then you talk on the phone and he says “oh, in that case I’m not so sure but I’ll give your $400” and then he comes over to pick it up and says “oh, it looks like that, well, maybe $375”. Even if you really would have sold it for $375, you just don’t want to be dicked around like that. And all the more so in a market (unlike CraigsList) where your reputation can matter.

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by iglew on Jul 31, 2011 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

In my opinion I believe this season is going to be quite interesting. With the lockouts over and the teams in final place we’ll finally see if things were put together right, or if the trade was a big shambles.

by msunjeeve on Jul 31, 2011 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Congrats on landing the Sunday gig

Please take this as its meant to be: constructive criticism.

Using Wiki for a scouting report is asking to be lied to. Even worse, you’re using a comment made back prior to the 2009 season.

Tall slugger with a great hitter’s frame, excellent present power, and an elite power ceiling

.

Well, he’s still tall but the present power is currently holding at 10 HR for the 2011 season. His career high is 18 HR, hit back in 2008. He also had 32 doubles and a triple that season. After 2008 Lars Anderson was (depending on the pundit) one of the Top 20 prospects in all of baseball.

He hasn’t developed as expected. Anderson’s stock has dropped considerably since 2008; he’s gone from being one of the best prospects in baseball to the back-end of Boston’s Top 10 list. He’s strong but he never developed the lift in his swing to hit for big power. LHP owns him, so much so that he’s probably destined to be a platoon player.

So Anderson was fair value in a Harden deal but he was nowhere near the caliber of prospect you’re making him out to be.

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by grover on Jul 31, 2011 8:41 AM PDT reply actions  

absolutely

Anderson a few years back would have been a steal for Harden. Not so much these days. It was a fair deal, considering Harden’s injury history…because it’s not clear that Lars Anderson will amount to anything in the bigs. Harden will at least give you a few more good starts this year.

by guy incognito on Jul 31, 2011 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Boston fans thought so

  They think Anderson is a throw away prospect so looks like it was just a push when it comes to a trade.

by Arcman on Jul 31, 2011 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

The key thing here is...

Wiki scouting reports aren’t reliable.

And to check when ANY scouting report you quote from was posted. Scouting reports tend to change over time.

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by grover on Jul 31, 2011 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

No worries

Turns out the original source of that was a Red Sox blog actually, when I relooked at the site a little later they were quoting it. But that is a good fair point. Thank you for the constructive criticism. I am all game!

by dwishinsky on Jul 31, 2011 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

his progress has slowed

just glanced at his fangraphs stats. no big power surge, and past two years he’s been hitting around .260 in AA & AAA. He has hit a wall he himself created.

It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.

by ru155 on Jul 31, 2011 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

There still may be hope for this
@Sean_McAdam
Sean McAdam
After getting a look at Harden’s medicals, #RedSox tried to restructure deal with only Anderson going to A’s (no PTBN) and were rebuffed

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think the A's should take that deal.

An oft-injured pitcher signed only through 2011 for a once-heralded prospect who has stalled and disappointed for 2 years.

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by Nico on Jul 31, 2011 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Anderson was over-hyped from the start

And he hasn’t stalled so much as shown an inability to adapt. He can’t hit lefty pitching and he’s never been able to add loft to his swing, short-circuiting his power potential. He’s not gifted with the glove at 1B.

Basically, he’d steal at bats from Carter, whom I think has much greater impact potential.

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by grover on Jul 31, 2011 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

You're right that he's an overhyped project.

But that’s the best you’ll get for Harden, and it’s better to get SOMEONE with potential then to let Harden walk and get no one.

What we really need to do, is to move one of Matsui/Willingham/DeJesus/Coco. Trade one of them and there will be enough at bats for everyone.

by Mr. Clean Sweep on Jul 31, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

unless there's another suitor for Harden, or a chance to get a PTBNL thrown in at 12:59 if the A's FO plays the waiting game

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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 31, 2011 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

I favor the waiting game.

Boston needs this more than Oakland does. I think this is a game of brinksmanship where Theo wanted to nickel-and-dime Billy. Screw that.

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by iglew on Jul 31, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

There is no way the BoSox didn't know about Harden's history

I wonder if this is more about hardball negotiating tactics then their fears over his history.

Harden will not be a ranked free agent, so when he walks at the end of the year the A’s wont get compensated for him. It makes sense for the A’s to trade him now, even if you only get Lars Anderson.

If the A’s are pulling out of a trade over a PTNL then it is more likely from their disgust over the BoSox trying to change the deal’s terms at the last second then the return they are getting.

by Mr. Clean Sweep on Jul 31, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

This.

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Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.

by iglew on Jul 31, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think there may be a misconception in how much I value him

I think he could’ve been a useful piece, I don’t think it is like we were acquiring “the solution” by any means. I thought the trade would’ve been fair on both sides. That said, love the tag, the Monster at the End of This Book had me riveted as a kid – one of the greatest books ever written.

by dwishinsky on Jul 31, 2011 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't have an issue with how you value Anderson

I take issue with using outdated information from biased sources. You completely misrepresented what kind of prospect Lars Anderson currently is.

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by grover on Jul 31, 2011 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Didn't think it was

Which is why I offered constructive criticism… instead of just calling you an idiot. =D

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by grover on Jul 31, 2011 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Bourne Disappointment

So much for getting him over the offseason. He would have been perfect.

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by cuppingmaster on Jul 31, 2011 8:47 AM PDT reply actions  

did Atlanta fleece Houston?

feels like it, but you guys know more than I.

Reminds me of the Rasmus dump. another opportunity lost.

It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.

by ru155 on Jul 31, 2011 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bourn

  Take him out of a hitter park and he is no better than Crisp with less power. He is more Juan Pierre 2.

by Arcman on Jul 31, 2011 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Think you're harsh on Bourn

Crisp with less power? Agreed.

He’s also younger and healthier.

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by grover on Jul 31, 2011 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

A lot better defensively, no?

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Better than Pierre? Yes.

Comparable to Crisp in the field, with a bit stronger arm.

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by grover on Jul 31, 2011 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

All right all. I'm going to try to get some sleep before the game.

Once again, great stuff, dwishinsky. If you have any more ideas extremely early in the morning, put them up. I’m more than likely to be awake anyway.

by player20 on Jul 31, 2011 9:00 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Massively better than Pierre

He’s one of the best CFs going.

by PL78 on Jul 31, 2011 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Offensive wise

Same type of numbers. Bourn is much better defensively but Pierre in his younger days was good.

by Arcman on Jul 31, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Harden Red-Flagged By Dr. Andrews

In today’s Boston Globe:

“Harden has always had major flaws in his delivery. When he was tested early in his career at Dr. James Andrews’s clinic, there were several red flags for future injury problems.”

Did anyone see anything like this claim in a Bay Area sports story on Harden or the A’s? One is left to wonder if there’s so little competition between area newspapers that no one would risk BB’s anger by printing it.

by muscatel on Jul 31, 2011 8:56 AM PDT reply actions  

Even if this is true, it sounds like an attempt by the Globe to justify cancelling the trade

or even to depress Harden’s value more. It’s not like the Red Sox wouldn’t have known about this before doing the deal.

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

The key words are "early in his career"

So some time around 2003 or 2004, Dr Andrews took a look and said “Hey, this guy is likely to get injured a lot.” And wow, guess what? He did get injured a lot! What, Boston didn’t notice that?

I have no love for the Bay Area press, but there’s nothing to blame them for here. They didn’t print this because it’s not a story.

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by iglew on Jul 31, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

It seems revisionist history to me

I never heard about it when he was early in his career. Maybe it was never public knowledge, but how often is Andrews right about guys who haven’t been injured yet behind closed doors?

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by vignette17 on Jul 31, 2011 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe it wasn't public knowledge, but

it’s predicting something that became public knowledge when it actually happened.

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by iglew on Jul 31, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sure

If it was more than speculation like: he throws a ball hard and is kinda short, he could get an injury. Obviously, that’s hyperbole but I think you would have a high success rate if you predicted injury on every pitcher.

It sounds like Andrews has a check list of red flags. How many possible flags are there? How many does a normal pitcher have? How predictive are these flags?

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by vignette17 on Jul 31, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

more on why the Harden trade fell through
@Sean_McAdam: After getting a look at Harden’s medicals, RedSox tried to restructure w/only Lars going to A’s (no PTBN) & were rebuffed"

this may imply that the PTBNL was not an insignificant player. Anderson may have been the throw-in from the A’s perspective.

by OaklandSi on Jul 31, 2011 9:03 AM PDT reply actions  

If that's true

Good on Beane. Pushing for the best deal possible and not giving anything away!

It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.

by ru155 on Jul 31, 2011 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

by the way

I wonder if the Sox feel new pressure now that the Yanks are looking to pick up Wandy

It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.

by ru155 on Jul 31, 2011 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah, no thanks boston

we all know about harden’s history. but…lars anderson is blocked and he’s not even a really good prospect anymore. so…i’m not willing to trade a good pitcher when healthy (which he is right now) for a guy who may not even make it to the bigs.

by guy incognito on Jul 31, 2011 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

here's another theory on the Harden trade collapse
@joelsherman1: #Redsox found issues beyond elbow/back w/Harden, asked #A’s for contingency deal based on how much pitched.

by OaklandSi on Jul 31, 2011 9:12 AM PDT reply actions  

Issues beyond his back?

He has a tail?

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by elcroata on Jul 31, 2011 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Duh,

he’s Canadian.

That rug really tied the room together...

by Streams Of Whiskey on Jul 31, 2011 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

One day he is going to stand on the mound

and his head will roll of his shoulders halfway down the line in front of Sizemore…

by dwishinsky on Jul 31, 2011 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

they probably found this recent photo

and decided that dwish could be right

It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.

by ru155 on Jul 31, 2011 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

he has shoulder issues, and has had them for years

I doubt it would be a surprise to the Sux, especially with Curt Young there.

I suspect that they had second thoughts about giving up the PTBNL. Also maybe another possibility came up

by OaklandSi on Jul 31, 2011 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

The weasels!

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Don't Think The A's Will Make A Trade

I did find this deal interesting. Considering the fact that Boston lost out on the Jimenez sweepstakes, I figured they would go for Rich. Anderson looks like a promising prospect, but has a huge roadblock in Adrian Gonzalez. He would have probably been our first baseman, because CoJack cannot stay there.

by Jason James on Jul 31, 2011 9:15 AM PDT reply actions  

I really hope Beane is just hoping Epstein will get desperate

and put the PTBNL back in the deal or another team offers up something good for Harden…and if that doesn’t happen, he calls Epstein at the last minute and accepts just Anderson.

*Insert something witty here*. Oh, and Stanfurd Sucks.

by FrankCohen on Jul 31, 2011 9:17 AM PDT reply actions  

let em sweat

We have plenty of average players already

It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.

by ru155 on Jul 31, 2011 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Who?

Anybody we possibly acquire today would probably be a year or two away.

by HRH on Jul 31, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Gotta say

I’ve been surprised by this deadline. all these players supposedly untouchable have come around: Pence, Ubaldo, Bourn.

Maybe there’s a way to pull BJ Upton

It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.

by ru155 on Jul 31, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

a year or two? Good enough for me.

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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 31, 2011 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

http://twitter.com/#!/TBritton_Projo
Lars Anderson is in the PawSox clubhouse and lineup. “Probably got a little ahead of myself daydreaming,” he said re: trade.

by J.J. Miller on Jul 31, 2011 9:25 AM PDT reply actions  

Yay!

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

He is from this area

  Would have been his dream to play here.

by Arcman on Jul 31, 2011 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes. Proof that it's better to make $400k annual than $60k. :)

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by notsellingjeans on Jul 31, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Aw :(

Someday her tombstone will read,
"Here Lies MissOakland Barton. Hot baseball wife, beloved friend, defender of aprons." --Kyli

by MissOakland on Jul 31, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

He likes us!

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by pam5981 on Jul 31, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

That makes me like them and then be sad we didn't get them.

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by MissOakland on Jul 31, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

you gotta get your baseball heartbreak under control

you’re in for a long ride

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by pam5981 on Jul 31, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

He'll be like Durazo, Bocachica, Nady, etc.

We’ll get him eventually. (Oh wait, we never did get Nady, did we?)

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by iglew on Jul 31, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Buster_ESPN
Dbacks talking Ziegler with Oakland. Trades#

by J.J. Miller on Jul 31, 2011 9:32 AM PDT reply actions  

Balfour to high of a cost

  So down a notch for another reliever.

by Arcman on Jul 31, 2011 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Come on D Backs

you know Fuentes and Wuertz are who you want. We will trade you both for your pool in right center

by HRH on Jul 31, 2011 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

susanslusser

#SFGiants looking for leadoff man and the #Athletics have one available – but only for a very good return.

by J.J. Miller on Jul 31, 2011 9:38 AM PDT reply actions  

Are his pants falling down?

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by grover on Jul 31, 2011 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's been on Jenny Craig

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Might be

with all the running around he did last night. Might have shed a few lb’s

by HRH on Jul 31, 2011 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lots Of GMs Will Want A Belt

of an adult beverage after the trading deadline ends…

by muscatel on Jul 31, 2011 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

why not a fine muscatel?

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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 31, 2011 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

I just can't think of why Beane would not accept Anderson

for Harden straight up

*Insert something witty here*. Oh, and Stanfurd Sucks.

by FrankCohen on Jul 31, 2011 9:40 AM PDT reply actions  

why it hinged on PTBNL

gotta get someone who can still surprise down the line

It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.

by ru155 on Jul 31, 2011 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't call a 23 year old in AAA who is a couple years removed

from being a top 20 prospect, a AAAA player…

*Insert something witty here*. Oh, and Stanfurd Sucks.

by FrankCohen on Jul 31, 2011 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Grover walked us through

Lars is probably a platoon player at best

It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.

by ru155 on Jul 31, 2011 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

look at his numbers in AAA.

They are mediocre.

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by kenntoe on Jul 31, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

oh, ha

guess I should have just let you say it!

It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.

by ru155 on Jul 31, 2011 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

You think he's that hopeless?

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not hopeless

Just not an impact player. He steals at bats from Barton, who has shown some ability in the past. He steals at bats from Carter, who still has a chance to be a major impact bat.

Lars Anderson currently profiles as a lesser Daric Barton, because of his struggles vs. LHP. He has less upside than Chris Carter. Team him up with Conor Jackson and the platoon could get you by, but you’d always be looking for something better.

And since the A’s already have two options for “something better” in the organization… why add the fill-in? Flip Harden for someone with higher upside in the low minors.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Jul 31, 2011 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well... "at best" is probably pushing it

At best he breaks out and starts hitting for more power, even in a platoon role.

I think “most likely” is that he’s a poor man’s Barton.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Jul 31, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Even if he isn't, I'm with you now on the basis that

at best Lars would be a “pretty good player” and the problem the A’s have is that they keep blocking positions with guys who figure to be “pretty good” (Barton, DeJesus, Sizemore if he succeeds, Suzuki if he rebounds, etc.).

The A’s need a really good player or two somewhere, and L. Anderson would just block another position where you might get it. Better to get a lower-level prospect who might be great and might bust than to get yet another Sizemore at a different position.

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by Nico on Jul 31, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

My bet

  Beane will sign Anderson in the off season when he is dropped from the 40 man.

by Arcman on Jul 31, 2011 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

I could totally see that.

And then we DFA him in April. Then some other teams picks him up in waivers. Then two weeks later that other team DFA’s him again, he clears waivers and gets traded back to Oakland for cash considerations, and he ends up playing in Sacramento.

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Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.

by iglew on Jul 31, 2011 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Jay Marshall Plan

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DURRRR THEY’RE TOO OLD, BABIP IS TOO HIGH, TOO MANY Ks, DURRRRRR

by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

He has a better chance than Harden

*Insert something witty here*. Oh, and Stanfurd Sucks.

by FrankCohen on Jul 31, 2011 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

neither does rich harden

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by hero66 on Jul 31, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why isn't Brandon McCarthy getting interest?

I would think he could fetch much more than Harden.

It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.

by ru155 on Jul 31, 2011 9:45 AM PDT reply actions  

Seems like red sox were playing games

Got this from scout.com gammons talking on mlb channel

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=304&f=2062&t=7723213&p=6

Gammons on MLBN deadline special said that BOS was willing to deal for Harden but it was the A’s who rejected the offer. The original deal was Harden to BOS for Anderson and what he described as a pretty good A pitching prospect.

But after seeing the medical issues, they gave the A’s a scenario where they would’ve still dealt Anderson for Harden but the condition was that if Harden did make thru the remainder of the season without getting hurt they would’ve added that A ball arm eventually in the deal down the road. If Harden did get injured, they would just get Anderson.

by J.J. Miller on Jul 31, 2011 9:48 AM PDT reply actions  

My guess: Brandon Workman

*Insert something witty here*. Oh, and Stanfurd Sucks.

by FrankCohen on Jul 31, 2011 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

If I were Beane I would have rejected this too. I'd want a scenario where I got a better prospect

if Harden made it though the season in a contingency deal than in the original deal

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Fuck Boston. If you want Harden, you get him with the injury risk, no fallback.

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by Flashfire on Jul 31, 2011 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hah.

That’s essentially no PTBNL, then.

by danmerqury on Jul 31, 2011 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just deal Harden for the "pretty good" A ball arm!

Maybe throw in an OK A-ball position prospect as well.

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by grover on Jul 31, 2011 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hope chairs were thrown

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hope Youkilis is involved

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by Nico on Jul 31, 2011 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

So We Could Yell "YOU..."

the way we used to yell “KOU….Z”?

by muscatel on Jul 31, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

DBacks likely to acquire Ziegler per Heyman

*Insert something witty here*. Oh, and Stanfurd Sucks.

by FrankCohen on Jul 31, 2011 9:51 AM PDT reply actions  

For Justin Upton!

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Selfishly I want to keep him

But realistically if someone wants him enough to initiate a trade, and if he can help that team, it may be best for him.

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by Flashfire on Jul 31, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ziegler deal likely

Colin Cowgill i’d take, he’s blocked there with upton, young

by J.J. Miller on Jul 31, 2011 9:51 AM PDT reply actions  

Harden

If we could get anything for Rich Harden, even a pack of chewing gum, it would be a good deal. Harden isn’t so much healthy right now as he is between long stays on the DL.

by BrianJ12 on Jul 31, 2011 9:53 AM PDT reply actions  

Link?

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by elcroata on Jul 31, 2011 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

so helpful!

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by pam5981 on Jul 31, 2011 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hee

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why are you such an asshole?

Here, Pam.

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by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Pssh.

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by pam5981 on Jul 31, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

how witty

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by elcroata on Jul 31, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Here

Link

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by grover on Jul 31, 2011 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks, grover

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by elcroata on Jul 31, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

(sigh)

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by lynnzgal on Jul 31, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

.
TBrownYahoo – Tim Brown
Dbacks source: They’ve acquired Ziegler.

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by Flashfire on Jul 31, 2011 10:00 AM PDT reply actions  

C'mon Pirates, Reds

You know you want an outfielder!

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by FrankCohen on Jul 31, 2011 10:01 AM PDT reply actions  

Cowgill was drafted by the A's but did not sign.

and SuSlu just said we asked about him last week.

by PL78 on Jul 31, 2011 10:02 AM PDT reply actions  

I hope you start posting more too NSJ.

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by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hope that too

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

that's nice of you to say mike, thank you.

Too busy working on the tee with the little guy in my avatar.

The plan is for Mrs. Jeans and I to move to the Dominican Republic and auction him off to the highest bidder after his sixteenth birthday. Screw this American amateur draft slot system crap.

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by notsellingjeans on Jul 31, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hope you are making a lefty out of him

Also, 21 is Dominican 16

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by elcroata on Jul 31, 2011 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

he will hit lefty for sure.

I’m not sure you can make a kid throw from a particular side. Becoming a father for the first time, I’ve definitely noticed that they are predisposed to throw with one or the other.

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by notsellingjeans on Jul 31, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hitting, as well. It's easier to teach hitting from the 'off' side though.

I’m lucky. My 5 year old naturally throws righty and hits lefty.

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by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, my 20-month old is a "chopper," so it's unclear what side of the plate he hits from.

As in, he uses one hand on the whiffle bat and tomahawks downward at the ball. I have explained to him several times that this approach won’t fly when he starts facing gas. But he’s stubborn.

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by notsellingjeans on Jul 31, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

You need to stand him up there and start firing brushback heat at him.

Tough love!

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by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

lol

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by notsellingjeans on Jul 31, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

My nephew did that, too.

He also wanted to throw facing forward as well. He had a good arm at a young age but the stance was holding him back. I remember when I first got him to understand the concept of standing sideways and using his legs. He was maybe about four years old at the time. He winged a snowball about 50 feet and hit a woman walking by (not very hard). It was awesome.

Alas, he has since plateaued. At two he was a prodigy. At seven now he’s just average for his age.

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by iglew on Jul 31, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

maybe he's stalled and simply needs fresh scenery.

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by notsellingjeans on Jul 31, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Naah, it's a character thing.

He just isn’t interested in baseball.

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by iglew on Jul 31, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

you know… trades are kinda sexy when they don’t come through. first we couldn’t lose harden, now i bet we’re gonna reverse cowgill.

by AV on Jul 31, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

In German (and French, too)

what we call cowgirl they call valkyrie. I love that.

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by iglew on Jul 31, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Somebody must still need an OF
@TBrownYahoo
Tim Brown
Cleveland getting close on deal for Ludwick. Deal not complete yet, according to source.

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 10:05 AM PDT reply actions  

Because he sucks at baseball?

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by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

you don't have to run.

it’s on the interweb.

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by pam5981 on Jul 31, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Are they good?

Linky

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by EddieVegas_NRAF on Jul 31, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

allen apparently has some power

It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.

by ru155 on Jul 31, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

but it really happened though.

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by notsellingjeans on Jul 31, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Isn't Reno a launching pad though?

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

145 wRC+

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by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

But that's not park-adjusted

Cody Ransom had a 157 wRC+

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes it is. Park and league.

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by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

If you got it from Fangraphs, it's not
As you may have noticed, there’s now an extra column in the "Advanced" section for batting stats called "wRC+". You can think of this stat as a wOBA based version of OPS+. It’s park and league adjusted and it’s on a very similar scale as OPS+. The difference is that it uses wRC, which is based on wOBA.

For those of you not familiar with the scale, 100 is average. Anything higher is above average and anything below 100 is below average.

Big thanks goes out to Tangotiger for pointing out how easy it was to implement this particular stat. It’s now available in all the player pages for major league and minor league players going all the way back to 1871. Please note that it is not park adjusted for minor league stats, but it is league adjusted.

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

fuck the heck

i’m an idiot

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by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

True

But that doesn’t explain why you missed the note about the lack of park adjustment.

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by grover on Jul 31, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

big words. lack of caffeine.

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by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Have some

coffee

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by elcroata on Jul 31, 2011 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep.

That said, he had good numbers in the lower levels when he was in the CHW system.

by danmerqury on Jul 31, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

It is

Pretty heavy home/road splits this year:

http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=1B&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=450315

But the road splits are still good, at least. They just pale in comparison to what he did in Reno.

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by Flashfire on Jul 31, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Brandon Allen is a nice pickup

Now it really looks like, if there was any question, that Harden-Anderson deal is dead.

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by FrankCohen on Jul 31, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Allen?

No way! You are joking right!?

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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 31, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

That kid is a BEAST!

We got him for Ziggy?! Great trade

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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 31, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sickels on Allen before the 2010 season
3) Brandon Allen, 1B, Grade B-: I like the guy, but he was probably overhyped this summer. I see him more as a productive slugger than a future All-Star. This is the same grade I gave him last year.

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2010/1/1/1229943/arizona-diamondbacks-top-20

But, um, a quick look at his fangraphs page: http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=7436&position=1B

Dude seems to hit the shit out of the bal.

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by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Barton and Carter feels the heat

  Allen looks solid numbers even though the home runs are more from playing in Reno. Lars Anderson is no more needed.

by Arcman on Jul 31, 2011 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I've watched a few DBack games this year

I still can’t believe we landed Brandon Allen. He is like Chris Carter, but more agile and swift on his feet, with a smoother swing. I was watching the game where he MASHED his first MLB career HR…I think he is struggling so far this season, but he has only been up for a while — like 10 games played I think. He better be starting at 1B now the rest of the way for Oakland. Get Carter up at DH, and Taylor at OF. And who knows, we could be seeing a nice foundation here with Sizemore, Jemile, Allen, Carter and Taylor. Or at least 2 of the 5.

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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 31, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Brandon Allen -- mind you I've only watched 2 of his games, so about 8 ABS

Had a BEAUTIFUL swing in those 2 games I watched

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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 31, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Um.

Holy shit

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by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

wait. above the foul pole still counts?

by AV on Jul 31, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Holy Crap

I like.

Platoon w/ Carter at 1B.

by Colorado Fan on Jul 31, 2011 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Damn!

Watch out, Trogdor. There’s a new burninator in town.

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by iglew on Jul 31, 2011 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can you imagine Keebler getting in an argument,

and suddenly, those three walking up behind him? Talk about intimidation!

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those 3 guys make willingham look small

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by stm72 on Jul 31, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

.....do the A's ever get in brawls?

Don’t we usually just turn the other cheek? “Thanks for hitting me with a fastball. Please can I have another?”

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by OldhamA on Jul 31, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, except when Tim Hudson was on the mound.

But I think he was before your time.

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by iglew on Jul 31, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

He was.

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by OldhamA on Jul 31, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the A's organizational philosophy generally

is very Matthew 5:39, but Timmy was an exception. He was always “bring it on, bitch” and wasn’t afraid to throw at people.

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by iglew on Jul 31, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

We need more of those guys.

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by OldhamA on Jul 31, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Best Tim Hudson quote:

“Welcome to ME, motherfucker!”

"This must be heaven," he says.
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by Kyli on Jul 31, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

That was epic

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by elcroata on Jul 31, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

when did Huddy say that?

I’d love to know the story.

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by notsellingjeans on Jul 31, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I remember a game where Huddy turned over a 3+ run lead to Jim Macier.

Jim blew the lead, and then held on to win the game. I thought Tim was going to go ballistic on him. That was the year that the bullpen blew about 10+ games that Hudson handed over with the lead.

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by Tutu-late on Jul 31, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Foulke must have hated Huddy.

He always managed to blow saves only when Huddy had started the game.

by whiteshoes40 on Jul 31, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

At the time, I figured Huddy should have won 20+ games that year.

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by Tutu-late on Jul 31, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep. D:

"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on Jul 31, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I totally believe it, there is no other explanation. Foulke only blew Huddy's saves. ONLY. And that is why I hate him.

I will be bitter til the day I die that Foulke single-handedly kept him out of hte ’04 ASG. WE COULD HAVE HAD ALL THREE OF THE BIG THREE THERE. WHY GOD WHYYYY.

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by Kyli on Jul 31, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously. Picture how adorable all three of them + Ramon in that dugout would have been.

PICTURE IT.

Mulder and Zito must have been lonely without their better third. D:

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by Kyli on Jul 31, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I ♥ ♥ ♥

Huddy

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by Berry Jo on Jul 31, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOVE FOREVER.

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by Kyli on Jul 31, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yup

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by Berry Jo on Jul 31, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wasn't it '03?

And yes. I hate Foulke mostly because of his defection to the Team That Shall Not Be Named, but also because of his anti-Huddy actions. Bad Foulke. Bad.

by whiteshoes40 on Jul 31, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Speaking of that team,

isn’t that the same year Huddy went bar-hopping the night before his ALDS start?

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by iglew on Jul 31, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes.

Because he’s badass like that.

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by Kyli on Jul 31, 2011 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

so badass that he managed to pitch ONE INNING in his playoff start

after that

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by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Truth.

Badass is a fickle mistress. Sometimes it’s good for you, sometimes it’s bad.

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by iglew on Jul 31, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think all A's pitchers should punch out a Sox fan the night before a start.

It would make me happy

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by Kyli on Jul 31, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, '03, my bad. D:

Foulke was just a doucheface.

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by Kyli on Jul 31, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

We call that being Timmy'ed in my house.

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by Berry Jo on Jul 31, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Googlebooks helps me out.

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by Kyli on Jul 31, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

That was an outstanding read, thank you

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by notsellingjeans on Jul 31, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ecch, Kendall.

Yes, you’re right, but I only choose to remember A’s players that I liked.

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by iglew on Jul 31, 2011 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Him charging Lackey was worth remembering.

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by Kyli on Jul 31, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

And the Sulk-off

I don't feel that I'm feeling your feelings, about these feelings that you feel.

by doctorK on Jul 31, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

And the blocking-the-plate-with-his-face.

"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on Jul 31, 2011 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

And the ... uh ... the ...

I guess that’s all.

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by doctorK on Jul 31, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, there was this one loop single to the right

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by elcroata on Jul 31, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

He hit a home run one time, right?

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by OldhamA on Jul 31, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Kendall Shift

Defenses played a very unique shift against him. Do you remember how shallow the RF played?

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by notsellingjeans on Jul 31, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol

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by notsellingjeans on Jul 31, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

BOOM

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by doctorK on Jul 31, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

upton is like...oh...em...gee

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by stm72 on Jul 31, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Meh

Gonna miss him pitching for the A’s, but there’s a team out there that wanted him and he’d be going to someone in contention for the division. Hard to dislike that.

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by Flashfire on Jul 31, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Plus, he can help the DBacks

beat out the Giants!

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Norberto is a lefty who can hit 95

Sits in the low-90’s. Throws in the general direction of home plate.

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FDLS mirror image?

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So, you're saying that Fautino throws in general direction of second base?

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by elcroata on Jul 31, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

such a GREAT return for ziggy

seriously, im ecstatic. Allen has his K problems and has holes in his swing, but he at least deserves a chance and the D-backs were unwilling to give him one. juan miranda is too good to pass up, i guess.

he should be our starting first baseman for the remainder of the year

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by hero66 on Jul 31, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

YOU KEEP SAYING THAT, DAN

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by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ok, nice work with that Ziggy trade

Keep it up, Beane. Still got some time! I want to see a lineup with Taylor, Allen, and Carter playing every day!

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by FrankCohen on Jul 31, 2011 10:12 AM PDT reply actions  

Weeks, Allen, Taylor, Carter

Notice a trend…monte poole would be pleased based on his accusations several yrs ago

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He's implying something about Monte Poole,

and he’s right. Monte beats that drum all the time.

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by iglew on Jul 31, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Welcome to Sunday, dwish!

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by lynnzgal on Jul 31, 2011 10:15 AM PDT reply actions  

So, has this Brandon Allen trade really been confirmed?!

I’m pumped, but skeptical

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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 31, 2011 10:17 AM PDT reply actions  

About 10 different sources on Twitter have it confirmed

And some directly from D-Backs, Id say its pretty well done.

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Jul 31, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

HELL YES!!

Great trade! I love when we trade with the DBACKS!

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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 31, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

From SuSlu:
susanslusser Susan Slusser
LHP Roberto and 1B Allen for Ziegler. #Athletics asked several times on Cowgill, no go, I’m told.

by danmerqury on Jul 31, 2011 10:19 AM PDT reply actions  

I might rather have Allen than Cowgill, tbh

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by FrankCohen on Jul 31, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't say an equal hitter

He is having a very good year this year, for sure, but it feels somewhat flukey when you compare it to his previous years. Allen has been consistently great in the minors.

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by FrankCohen on Jul 31, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmmm....true

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

lot of people think he's a 4th OFer

they’re probably right. reno inflates a lot of guys numbers

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by hero66 on Jul 31, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd rather have Allen!

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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 31, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rockies looking to trade Ian Stewart, per Renck

Interesting…

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by FrankCohen on Jul 31, 2011 10:21 AM PDT reply actions  

Kouz!

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Damn

Apparently talks are with another NL team though

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by FrankCohen on Jul 31, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just realized:

Ziggy’s probably going to need more than two bats now.

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by Flashfire on Jul 31, 2011 10:21 AM PDT reply actions  

HAHAHAHAH GUYS THE GIANTS GOT ORLANDO CABRERA

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by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 10:24 AM PDT reply actions  

IDK WHY IT MAKES ME LAFF!!!!11one!

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by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

for your amusement

he made his first error in the 3rd.

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by natteringnabob on Jul 31, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

HAHAHAHA

I still like him even though he’s a Gnat now

by brian.only on Jul 31, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love him as a Gnat

Especially since he will make them worse.

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by doctorK on Jul 31, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Aww, Ziggy.

I will miss your high socks and your overall awesomeness. We’ll always have ’08.

by whiteshoes40 on Jul 31, 2011 10:27 AM PDT reply actions  

Agreed. I really liked him

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

this is true....and makes me happy!

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by Berry Jo on Jul 31, 2011 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh great Ziggy's still with the team

Waiting on medicals….is this some new MLB sanction that deadline trades must be finalized mid-game so they can show the players getting hugged by their ex-teammates?

by PL78 on Jul 31, 2011 10:28 AM PDT reply actions  

CRY FOR ME PENCE!

It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.

by ru155 on Jul 31, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Irony: When the traded player injures himself giving the dugout hugs and fails the physical as a result

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by Nico on Jul 31, 2011 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

http://twitter.com/#!/SI_JonHeyman
price on #rangers fallback relief choice andrew bailey is very high, and they are protective of prospects. #bell

by J.J. Miller on Jul 31, 2011 10:32 AM PDT reply actions  

Profar. Profar. Profar. Profar. Profar.

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by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'll say it again: If I'm Beane I hold out for Profar

If that means “no deal” then fine. I want Bailey. Or Profar.

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by Nico on Jul 31, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

LOVE getting Allen!

Note that in his recent cups of coffee in the bigs, even when he hasn’t hit overall he has walked and HRed. (This year’s slash line in 35 PAs was .172/.351/483, and last year’s in 55 PAs was .267/.393/.400). Want!!!!

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by Nico on Jul 31, 2011 10:33 AM PDT reply actions  

Way better!

BRANDON ALLEN WILL SAVE THIS FRANCHISE!!!!!!!

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by Nico on Jul 31, 2011 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

If harden deal went through

maybe they couldve focused on getting different position prospects for ziegler

by J.J. Miller on Jul 31, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Andreson's pretty good on high pitch arias, though

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by elcroata on Jul 31, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Marian?

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

much better

im so freaking stoked

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by hero66 on Jul 31, 2011 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Look at the video I posted up above

I really, really like that swing. It’s fairly quick and his follow through kinda reminds me of Chase Utley’s, he doesn’t loop the bat way around himself on his finish.

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by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes and he obliterated that ball

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah...that too

the dude can definitely crush the ball

by guy incognito on Jul 31, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

if a guy can dream

3 HR in 35 PA = 47 HR in 550 PA

It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.

by ru155 on Jul 31, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

HELL YES!

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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 31, 2011 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Beane's new MO

target high upside AAA players who got off on wrong foot on initial major league time – see Sizemore. Learning from Pena and Gonzalez?

by ojoe on Jul 31, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Here is a quick write-up on Brandon Allen via SB Nation

The A’s, meanwhile, receive Brandon Allen and Jordan Norberto in return. And that makes this a somewhat interesting deal. Allen is 25 years old, and he owns a .730 OPS in the majors. He’s a first baseman who hasn’t hit much at the highest level. However, here’s what Allen has done in triple-A:

.287/.406/.554


That’s over nearly 1,100 plate appearances since 2009. Reno’s a hitter-friendly environment, to be sure, so Allen’s numbers are inflated, but he’s shown that he can draw a walk and hit home runs, so the A’s will give him an opportunity to translate those numbers to the bigs.

Norberto, meanwhile, is a 24-year-old lefty reliever who’s been pitching with Reno. He’s generated 54 strikeouts and 26 walks in 48-2/3 innings, and he can get his fastball into the mid-90s with some consistency. He’s missed bats at every level and might have a future – soon – in a major league bullpen.
-Jeff Sullivan

And a 2009 Baseball America Article published in SI where I first remember reading about Brandon Allen — I know, I know, this is 3 years old, but still….

It’s worth remembering that one bad year does not mean a player is no longer a prospect. There are few better examples of that than the No. 1 player on this list, Brandon Allen. Back in 2006 Allen hit .213/.257/.380 for low Class A Kannapolis. As a first baseman whose best position may be as a DH, that would seem to be a death sentence. Instead, here he is, three years later, on the cusp of the big leagues.

1) Brandon Allen, 1B, Diamondbacks

Team: Triple-A Reno (Pacific Coast)
Age: 23
Why He’s Here: .385/.500/1.000 (10-for-26), 5 HR, 1 2B, 10 RBIs, 8 R, 6 BB, 3 SO, 3-for-3 SB

The Scoop: Making a positive first impression on a new employer is always important. No need to tell that to Allen, though, as the Diamondbacks’ newly acquired first baseman smacked five home runs on the week.

Allen needed time to adjust to pro ball after the White Sox made him a fifth-round pick in 2004, but he broke out last year, hitting 29 home runs between high Class A and Double-A, and he has continued that trend into 2009. Allen is up to 15 home runs for the season, having hit eight before being traded and seven already in 12 games with Reno. He hit three homers in four games against Sacramento, one of the PCL’s better pitching staffs, then homered in back-to-back games against Portland, including a two-homer game on Wednesday.

Allen’s hit tool has been coming around as well. A .256 lifetime hitter coming into the season, he’s hitting .296 in 338 at-bats between stops at Double-A and Triple-A this year. He has registered hits in 11 of his 12 games since joining the Aces, and his strikeout rate has fallen markedly, as he has fanned only 65 times in 88 games this year, down from his career rate of more than a strikeout per game entering the year.
- http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/more/07/28/hot.prospects/index.html#ixzz1ThnZxZvh

And of course my review, by Ryan M:

“I saw Brandon Allen play twice this year, and the kid has power coupled with a smooth swing and has an athletic nature about his game. Love his potential!”

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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 31, 2011 10:38 AM PDT reply actions  

wow...what happened with my post here!? Block quote FAILS everywhere

I apologize. The first write up should all be one quote, via Jeff Sullivan at SB Nation. The second was via a Baseball America Article that was published in Sports Illustrated. Sorry about that!

Welcome Brandon Allen!

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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 31, 2011 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

When you comment with a lot of blockquotes

it’s important to preview before posting. It’s easy to accidentally enclose the texts wrong.

The green box will go around any text that’s after <blockquote> and before the next </blockquote>. If you click the button with nothing selected, there will be nothing between them. If you click it with other blockquotes codes in your selection, they can end up nesting peculiarly.

The important thing is to remember to preview.

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by iglew on Jul 31, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

love it!

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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 31, 2011 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

We got something worse than Kouz: Someone Kouz can hit!!!!!

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by Nico on Jul 31, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Clearly this kid isn't able to throw a slider in the dirt.

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by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Any chance they could off-load Matsui

to an NL team looking for an extra pinch-hitter or whatever? I’d love to see Allen/Carter get the rest of the year at DH

by Jigglz on Jul 31, 2011 10:48 AM PDT reply actions  

I'd like that

Have them both split DH and 1B and whoever shows they are they better fielder will be at 1B. Taylor needs to be called up and put in RF too.

by duballers23 on Jul 31, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd let him play 1B every day and just friggin DH Carter already

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by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Might as well come to grips that Carter can’t play defense

by duballers23 on Jul 31, 2011 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

He'd BETTER be

Inasmuch as you, I, and my Aunt Bertha are.

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by Nico on Jul 31, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing

Matsui is on fire right now…I’m sure SOME team could use him

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by FrankCohen on Jul 31, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm still in shcok about us getting Brandon Allen

I was projecting us getting him earlier in the season during my “Dream Trade Proposals,” and there is no way in hell I ever thought we could acquire this talent for just Ziggy (no offense Ziggy, you have been 1 of my favorite A’s of late, but you know what I mean). I guess certain RPs have a price. I’m reminded of last year and the Matt Capps for Prospect Wilson Ramos deal/steal. Dammit Billy, I want to hate you, but I love this trade.

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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 31, 2011 10:51 AM PDT reply actions  

can you hate him

for not finding a way to get Rasmus?

If you need something to hate right now, that could work. I’m happy w/ Beane’s pickup too.

It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.

by ru155 on Jul 31, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Allen seems like a decent return on a reliever, but I'd rather have gotten a lower level guy

with higher upside. I guess that wasn’t available.

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Allen was a very good pickup for Ziegler

He has big time power and it’s almost a given that he’ll hit for power and get walks if he plays on a regualr basis. Like you said, I don’t think a lower level guy with more upside was available.

by duballers23 on Jul 31, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Brandon Allen?

Isn’t he the guy who the second deck in right at Chase Field the other day?

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by cuppingmaster on Jul 31, 2011 11:02 AM PDT reply actions  

yup.

I posted the video

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by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

sweet, sounds good to me

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by cuppingmaster on Jul 31, 2011 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

only if we can move CoJack

I believe he will continue to start till the manager decides otherwise

It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.

by ru155 on Jul 31, 2011 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Move him to the bench.

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by OldhamA on Jul 31, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Me AND BetterBob.

You forget that I secretly run the team.

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by Kyli on Jul 31, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

And you throw us off the sent by trading your favourite players?

What a complex web you weave.

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by OldhamA on Jul 31, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or scent....

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by OldhamA on Jul 31, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Alas, I don't have control over Billy.

YET.

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by Kyli on Jul 31, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

4:00 PM EST

It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.

by ru155 on Jul 31, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

4pm eastern, I believe.

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by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

1PM pacific

Yeah I keep the stickers on my A's hat and don't bend the bill. So what, big whoop, wanna fight about it?

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10 PM CET

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by elcroata on Jul 31, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't want to be a wet blanket

But is getting traded for Tony Pena straight up simply a poor move by the White Sox or is Allen just not that great to begin with? I’m praying its dumbass KW but its a little bit of a flag, isn’t it?

by PL78 on Jul 31, 2011 11:05 AM PDT reply actions  

yeah, scouts have never been super high on him

because he does struggle with breaking balls. he just needs a full-time job though really

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by hero66 on Jul 31, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's just another Chris Carter.

But I like Chris Carter.

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by iglew on Jul 31, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks

I know deals come trickling in following the deadline as long as they are approved by MLB before. Anyone expecting more moves from the A’s? If they can continue to get young talent like Allen, I am all in at this point

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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 31, 2011 11:06 AM PDT reply actions  

So I don't know if Allen will utilize it in the majors

But I was looking through his highlights on this page. All except two of his HRs are no doubters, just amazing to watch. Of the other two, one is an opposite field shot to left center at Petco, a feat in itself. The other is against the Giants.

Dude has pop.

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by vignette17 on Jul 31, 2011 11:08 AM PDT reply actions  

That's important when considering the A's home park

Guys who hit no-doubters when they hit one will do better than guys who just clear the wall a lot.

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by Nico on Jul 31, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like it

Cool if they could field, but…hey.

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by Nico on Jul 31, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

why won't he play 1B?

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by stm72 on Jul 31, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

We have Daric Barton.

Chris Carter, as well as a slew of other options. Maybe even a FA like Berkman or Pena too. Allen certainly is no Carter in LF, and you will never see Willingham make that play either. He might not be great in LF, but he cant be worse than the crud defense we’ve been putting out there.

by PL78 on Jul 31, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

We have Daric Barton, who is going under the knife

There’s no promise of anything as far as him and 1B are concerned going forward.

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by Flashfire on Jul 31, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

If you can make that catch, you are better than Willingham and Carter in LF.

If he can hit with a 120 OPS+ then I’d love him in LF. There’s a lot of 1B FAs I’d love to kick the tires on, as well as some blocked or out of favor players we could target in a trade.

by PL78 on Jul 31, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Will Middlebrooks sitting out for Sox AA team

Interesting…

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by FrankCohen on Jul 31, 2011 11:15 AM PDT reply actions  

I'd take him for Harden

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hah

I’m hoping for maybe Willingham/Harden?

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by FrankCohen on Jul 31, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

You'd rather have Middlebrooks than Anderson plus 2 picks,

albeit with the risk that Willingham accepts arbitration?

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Middlebrooks is a pretty great prospect...

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by FrankCohen on Jul 31, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

At a position of need, too

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by FrankCohen on Jul 31, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's got the power but the plate discipline is a bit worrisome. Defense is

supposed to be awesome though. Could be Kouz but with better defense?

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

No ta.

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by OldhamA on Jul 31, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why?

He’s a Type A…

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by FrankCohen on Jul 31, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

He is?

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

no

think he was just messin.

It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.

by ru155 on Jul 31, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oops

Read “Willingham” haha

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by FrankCohen on Jul 31, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ah

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

haha

replies flying fast and furious – too easy to reply fail

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by ru155 on Jul 31, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

No worries, Ive done that move from time to time

Happens to the best of us, its just so easy to hit “post” sometimes!

by PL78 on Jul 31, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Uhh....

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by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

The what now?

He has about half the points needed to even hit type B.

by danmerqury on Jul 31, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Boo on Crisp, OK on Willingham

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hell no he wouldn't clear waivers.

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by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

boo on both

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

http://www.domingobeisbol.com/

by hero66 on Jul 31, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

The right move if the offers just weren't there

Glad Beane didn’t try to force anything. That being said, I’m still hoping we can find suitors for Jackson/DeJesus/Harden.

*Insert something witty here*. Oh, and Stanfurd Sucks.

by FrankCohen on Jul 31, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

That bullpen suddenly got pretty nasty

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by FrankCohen on Jul 31, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

rosenthal onm mlbnetwork

says another is saying the deal is done for mike adams, not bell, so we’ll see

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

http://www.domingobeisbol.com/

by hero66 on Jul 31, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hey, dan, did you hear that Orlando Cabrera is heading to the west coast?

Rumor has it that he is going to the Giants.

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by Tutu-late on Jul 31, 2011 11:26 AM PDT reply actions  

.
Jane Lee
Ziegler says trade is done.

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by Flashfire on Jul 31, 2011 11:29 AM PDT reply actions  

Slight tear

Good guy. Inconsistent like whoa, but heck if he wasn’t a fan-friendly player.

by RedOscar on Jul 31, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

what will be interesting is if Ziegler is filthy in his first NL tour.

Remember how record-setting he was when he first came up? With that delivery, the deception is probably most effective the first few times you see him.

It makes sense to trade him now. And in the NL, maybe he’ll be unhittable again for a year or two.

The Oakland A's: If you have a no-trade clause in your contract, we're in it.

by notsellingjeans on Jul 31, 2011 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I misread your subject line

I thought you were talking about Daric Barton’s labrum.

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by iglew on Jul 31, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

The problem with keeping the OF is no tryouts for Miller or Taylor

I’m fine with keeping Willingham for the picks. I’d be fine with re-signing DeJesus (the DeJesus/Damon analogy seems apt), and maybe even Crisp. But it’s still disappointing to see those three the rest of the year. And next year we have no idea what to do with either Miller or Taylor.

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by vignette17 on Jul 31, 2011 11:30 AM PDT reply actions  

this is my main issue

figuring out with we have in miller and especially taylor is much more valuable than keeping crisp and DDJ around

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

http://www.domingobeisbol.com/

by hero66 on Jul 31, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Crisp and DeJesus could hit Type B status

I appreciate letting Taylor and even Miller get some playing time in Oakland but Beane needs to set his asking price at that Comp 1 pick level.

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by grover on Jul 31, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yup.

Well. Actually I think DDJ won’t reach Type B, he’s going the wrong direction on the Elias rankings.

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by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Peter Gammons just said it was Mike Adams on MLB Network.

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by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 11:32 AM PDT reply actions  

Wow they got Wieland and Erlin for Adams!

Why couldn’t we trade Bailey for that?

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cause Bailey is worth more than Adams?

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by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

We want Profar & Perez for Bailey.

I’m guessing (but its probably true).

by PL78 on Jul 31, 2011 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

that is an incredible return

great job jed hoyer

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

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by hero66 on Jul 31, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Adams is really good

But it sounds like Texas gave up a lot so that’s a big plus.

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by Nico on Jul 31, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Erlin should be seriously good in PETCO.

The only knock on him is that he’s a fly ball pitcher, so he’s prone to giving up homeruns. He should thrive in that stadium.

by NateHST on Jul 31, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

O-Cab to the Giants!

A Kouzmanoff for the rest of us!

by OptimistPrime on Jul 31, 2011 11:39 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

for thomas neal. sux.

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by stm72 on Jul 31, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Allen to SAC?

You’ve got to be kidding me….

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by vignette17 on Jul 31, 2011 11:41 AM PDT reply actions  

MOAR CONOR JACKSON

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by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

AW YEAH.

"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on Jul 31, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Majestic 285 foot blasts

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by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Slusser on Twitter

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by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Su Slu twitter

Not gonna even try the link.

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by vignette17 on Jul 31, 2011 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ok I'll try

Success!

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by vignette17 on Jul 31, 2011 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Possible is too much possibility for me...

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by vignette17 on Jul 31, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

agreed

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by stm72 on Jul 31, 2011 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

suslu on twitter
Melvin believes Norberto will head here but not sure about Allen. #Athletics

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by stm72 on Jul 31, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

There must first be goodby hugs with CoJack.

BB and New Bob will have to wipe the tears away before Allen is brought up.

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by Tutu-late on Jul 31, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

I forgot about that.

So, there is the fear factor in who gets DFA’d

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by Tutu-late on Jul 31, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well just for McCarthy and Jackson.

Everyone else is fair game I think.

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by OldhamA on Jul 31, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Shins?

Someone messes with MY MAN and I’mma go for the jugular.

I do feel much better as a person when my man Saint ConorJackson is in the OF and not at 1B, and I do trust in my other man BetterBob to make sure he’s there. Every day. ALL DAY. FOREVER.

"This must be heaven," he says.
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by Kyli on Jul 31, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

How many men do you have?

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by OldhamA on Jul 31, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

A lot.

I multitask.

"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on Jul 31, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

The A's are my boyfriend and they're fine with it.

"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on Jul 31, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

That'll only end in heartbreak.

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by OldhamA on Jul 31, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Love and baseball always do.

"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on Jul 31, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Noooooooooo

i want Allen and Carter in the lineup

by bruceXbandit on Jul 31, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

christ

this would be so fucking stupid

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

http://www.domingobeisbol.com/

by hero66 on Jul 31, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, what a waste of time.

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by OldhamA on Jul 31, 2011 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

So what should they have done? Trade them for shit if that's all other teams were offering?

And trade Harden for Anderson and the PTBNL if Boston demanded a contingency that if Harden got hurt the PTNBL is off the table?

Fuck that.

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by Flashfire on Jul 31, 2011 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd rather have Anderson than nothing.

*Insert something witty here*. Oh, and Stanfurd Sucks.

by FrankCohen on Jul 31, 2011 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd rather not do a deal like that if I'm expecting the PTBNL to actually have some value

Boston knows Harden could break at any moment. If they want him, they can take that risk.

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by Flashfire on Jul 31, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yup.

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by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sure, it would piss me off that they asked for that

But at this point, Harden is worth nothing to us. Take a guy like Anderson who at least has a chance to be useful.

*Insert something witty here*. Oh, and Stanfurd Sucks.

by FrankCohen on Jul 31, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Screw that

That’s just letting Boston dictate things for no legitimate reason. Bullshit.

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by Flashfire on Jul 31, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thats just being stubborn now

Sure, they get their way. But at least we get a decent prospect out of an injury prone starter who wont give us anything past this lost season.

*Insert something witty here*. Oh, and Stanfurd Sucks.

by FrankCohen on Jul 31, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly this

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

http://www.domingobeisbol.com/

by hero66 on Jul 31, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm with you.

Principles are great to have and everything, but when the choice is “Lars Anderson” vs. “Principles and Nothing”, I think I’ll take Anderson.

by CletusSJY on Jul 31, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

You're being too stubborn.

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

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by kenntoe on Jul 31, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nothing wrong with that

If I’m a GM I’m not just going to let the other team change their minds on what they’re offering because they finally remembered Harden is fragile.

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by Flashfire on Jul 31, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously. Harden being the pitching equivalent of a piece of origami that just went through the washing machine = well known fact.

And if there was a specific under-the-table idea of who that PTBNL was going to be, then yeah, I can see why BB dropped it.

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by Kyli on Jul 31, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Amen, brother.

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by iglew on Jul 31, 2011 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Trade them all for whatever we can get. Seriously.

We have Sweeney and Miller who can play CF for 2 months, and now we have Allen and Taylor who are at fuckin AAA when they should be starting. Beane is blowing it. Maybe he will trade them later though, so there’s still hope….

by PL78 on Jul 31, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fuck that

Don’t just give people away for nothing, if nothing is all that’s being offered.

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by Flashfire on Jul 31, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lars Anderson was being offered.

and we balk at a PTBNL? Greedy GMing, Beane is really blowing it here.

by PL78 on Jul 31, 2011 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

If Boston offers me a PTBNL and it's someone who could be something...

…then they try to change the terms of the deal, fuck them.

If you’d just be content to bend over for that, good for you.

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by Flashfire on Jul 31, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Do you even realize that the alternative is nothing?

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

http://www.domingobeisbol.com/

by hero66 on Jul 31, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

If they had been upfront about their terms from the start I'd agree

with you but to renege after looking at the medical charts, I’d draw a line in the sand on principle.

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

The alternative is probably that Harden stays with the A's next year if they want him and he wants to stay

And he seems to want to stay.

If he’s healthy (yeah, yeah) he’s worth having around.

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by Flashfire on Jul 31, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

If we trade him to Boston he could come back to the A's next year

Having Harden next year anyway does not not do anything unless we’re trying to build another maybe .500 squad

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

http://www.domingobeisbol.com/

by hero66 on Jul 31, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Harden's useful on a good team as well. I'd like him back.

He’s not like most of our position players who wouldn’t start on a good team.

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Are we a good team?

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

http://www.domingobeisbol.com/

by hero66 on Jul 31, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, but I'm in favor of collecting good players as long

as they’re not hurting our future

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am with you here

Harden probably would be open to coming back to the A’s. Remember Anderson and Braden are still slated to miss a good chunk of time next year, so bringing back Harden is really not a bad idea at all. Of course this assumes that Harden doesn’t have some kind of horrific injury. I don’t think that Beane should let Boston toy with us, and Lars Anderson just seems like an overhyped bust

by Rygoslinglover on Jul 31, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Harden for Anderson was not a great deal

For all the reasons previously listed.

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by grover on Jul 31, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I understand that Beane would be upset at that

But at this point, why not take Anderson for Harden straight up? Harden has no value for us.

*Insert something witty here*. Oh, and Stanfurd Sucks.

by FrankCohen on Jul 31, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

THIS IS WHAT IM SAYING

BUT PEOPLE KEEP TELLING ME IM WRONG

by PL78 on Jul 31, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Shocker

2011 Oakland Athletics: We have Cy Young pitchers and make yours look like it, too

by elcroata on Jul 31, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

You're consistent that way

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by grover on Jul 31, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

And because the BoSox are renigging on an agreement.

i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72

by Tutu-late on Jul 31, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well they were being niggardly

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Harden's health has been a major topic for the last decade, or so.

For Boston to be shocked is BS.

i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72

by Tutu-late on Jul 31, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Absolutely

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

LOL, I don't know if that's a Californication quip, but it's funny.

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
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by kenntoe on Jul 31, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Beane said no because he didn't want to get niggled on that deal.

Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.

by iglew on Jul 31, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry, I used dictionary,com.

That’s what I get for going the cheap route..

i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72

by Tutu-late on Jul 31, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

If you make a habit of giving players up for nothing,

that’s what you can expect to get offered in the future.

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by Nico on Jul 31, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

i doubt they were getting completely shitty offers

Anderson for Harden is more than fair.

Pretty sure on the rotoworld sidebar Heyman says that teams have inquired on WIllingham and Crisp but didn’t like the price. we really shouldn’t be shooting for the moon with those guys.

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

http://www.domingobeisbol.com/

by hero66 on Jul 31, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Who is Harden blocking, then?

Oh, right.

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by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Godfrey?!

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

http://www.domingobeisbol.com/

by hero66 on Jul 31, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh really, youre going to go there?

Yes, keeping our worthless FA’s in a worthless season is a MARVELOUS move. I forgot you can never besmirch the name of William Beane on here, even if he is being a total nincompoop by blocking our ready-now prospects with old veterans who wont be here next year nor will give us any draft picks.

by PL78 on Jul 31, 2011 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can you please quit verbally abusing me?

Calling other posters names saying “he’s a maroon” and “youre so lame” is not what AN is about. Take apart my argument if you must, but don’t make it personal. We are all A’s fans here and if you take a differing side of an argument please stay on course with it relating to the A’s, not the poster.

by PL78 on Jul 31, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who cares what I say about a public figure

Do not personally attack other members of AN. Ever.

by PL78 on Jul 31, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Um

That’s…not what he said.

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by Flashfire on Jul 31, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

like i said...

the artist formerly known as inbillywetrust

by stm72 on Jul 31, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ok I misread that, but stm72 is trolling this shit out of me and it sucks

Its way out of line. I never called anyone a sycophant. Stm72 was the first to start name calling.

by PL78 on Jul 31, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've got popcorn and beer for you, stm.

i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72

by Tutu-late on Jul 31, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't like all of the hate directed your way ethier,

and I don’t even really agree with you. I feel like some fans get really trade obsessed, and always want their team to make a deadline deal. I don’t believe in making a trade for the sake of making a trade, and I think that is where Beane stands now. We have money, and I think that resigning Willingham makes a lot of sense for this team. I doubt that Beane was offered very much for DeJesus or Crisp. I imagine that he was probably offered some “Tommy Everidge” like players. It really doesn’t help the A’s in the present or the future to trade for players with no MLB upside.

by Rygoslinglover on Jul 31, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Those were the days.

sigh.

i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72

by Tutu-late on Jul 31, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Please, please stop wasting everything then.

Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.

by iglew on Jul 31, 2011 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Godfrey.

Logic there is: We aren’t contending, who cares who our 5th SP is.

by PL78 on Jul 31, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Which is why Moose Coscto is still pitching.

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by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't get why winning is so pointless

This is an entertainment medium. Sure, the goal is making the playoffs and going to the World Series. But still, you do want people to follow the team, and you do want people to come to games.

There are only three reasons to move players: If you can get someone back in return who will either help you now (if you’re contending) or help you down the road (if you’re not); if you’re moving someone as a salary dump; if you’re making room for someone who will probably make a difference.

Moscoso is better than Godfrey. Godfrey is going nowhere. You still want to win games. Moscoso is, ahem, actually getting the job done. Not only that, but as long as he pitches as infrequently as possible in hitters’ parks, he’s a more than respectable fifth starter.

Harden,who wants to return next year, is blocking nobody.

by richwol1 on Jul 31, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he's blocking us

from the opportunity of some decent upside in Lars Anderson

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

http://www.domingobeisbol.com/

by hero66 on Jul 31, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

No, Theo trying to change the terms of a deal is blocking that.

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by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is keeping Harden more valuable than going ahead and moving him for Anderson?

I agree that what Theo did is bullshit, but if the talks really are dead, isn’t it worth it to go ahead and just make the deal? Or are principles worth making bad decisions?

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

http://www.domingobeisbol.com/

by hero66 on Jul 31, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let me put it another way

If you cave on the Boston demand after they try to change the terms of the deal, others are going to figure they can make you cave on other deals as well.

It’s not being stubborn, it’s a sign of weakness.

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by Flashfire on Jul 31, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Um, principles would be huge when it comes to dealing with other GMs.

If Billy WERE to go ahead and do the deal, that just tells all the other GMs that Billy might deal with that he’s a pushover.

That just opens up ever other potential negotiation for the same tactics. It’s a horrible business move.

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by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

What?

So don’t allow the same tactics when somebody else tries to do it, how hard is that?

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

http://www.domingobeisbol.com/

by hero66 on Jul 31, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gah

what the shit ever

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

http://www.domingobeisbol.com/

by hero66 on Jul 31, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Of course you don't

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

http://www.domingobeisbol.com/

by hero66 on Jul 31, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep.

"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on Jul 31, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am so fucking glad someone like you doesn't actually run the team.

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by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

you don't want to uselessly waste service time for young players before they are projected to be good.

Next spring is an appropriate time for Carter/Taylor to get their shot. And they will.

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by notsellingjeans on Jul 31, 2011 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Carter's been jerked around too much already.

Taylor needs to continue his success and then come up AND STAY UP

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by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can definitely see that perspective.

But I think you could make an argument that Carter has been really bad in two of his limited opportunities – this year, and when he was first called up last year.

In both cases, not only were his stats bad in an admittedly small sample, but he looked bad, too.

I think that if he had played well he would’ve been given the opportunity to continue at the big league level. I only view it as being “jerked around” when a guy does extremely well, and still gets sent down (or doesn’t get called up despite dominating). Like the delay in promoting Strasburg, or Ryan Braun a few years back.

I don’t think Carter has been good enough to claim he’s been jerked around.

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by notsellingjeans on Jul 31, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well he did get a reasonable look last year

but I was I guess referring to the “callup specifically to ride the bench… wait, no, we’re gonna start playing him a little bit, wait no he’s gonna get a lot of time, wait no send him back down”

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by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah, the one this year was like that, good call.

I think he might’ve been the only minor leaguer on the 40-man who was healthy and played those positions. I think that was the rationale. They were thin at the big-league level at those spots due to injury and felt like they had to “screw” Carter by necessity.

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by notsellingjeans on Jul 31, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not trying to trade players under team control here dude

They are free agents and are not type A or B. We get literally nothing out of keeping them, except blocking Taylor and Miller and now Allen.

by PL78 on Jul 31, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

And this as well

If we can get them for a couple decent prospects, which I suspect we can, you have to do it. We really need to see what we have in Taylor. Because I suspect that even when he’s called up in September, he won’t get any playing time, because NewBob loves to play his vets. It’s about to happen with Allen.

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

http://www.domingobeisbol.com/

by hero66 on Jul 31, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

"I am so fucking glad someone like you doesn't actually run the team."

Yeah, we’d have a well-stocked farm system that we paid almost nothing for. Also we’d probably be in 1st or 2nd place because I’d just ask Lew for $200MM to spend on players.

by PL78 on Jul 31, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

and every trade you propose would be fucking laughed at by actual, real GMs.

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by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Gee, where can I vote for you?

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by elcroata on Jul 31, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hah! You're here! You're that guy!

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll take under on that

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by elcroata on Jul 31, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

WAY under

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by stm72 on Jul 31, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

and always with you involved. shocker.

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by stm72 on Jul 31, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

You were allowed to form your own opinion

Look were that got us.

BTW, DeJesus and Crisp are within striking distance to make Type B status. I guarantee you any team that had interest in trading for either player was anticipating them to play better than they are now.

Meaning those teams would be looking at cashing in on the comp picks.

Beane has to set the sale price as the equivalent to netting that Type B comp pick. Anything less slits his own throat.

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by grover on Jul 31, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's already there.

Solidly, even. In the middle of the type B pack. Coco is just off the cutoff for B.

by danmerqury on Jul 31, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

But he's been beyond awful this year.

"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury

by OldhamA on Jul 31, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

So?

He had a career before this year, you know. A good one, even.

by danmerqury on Jul 31, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's a two or three year thing

DeJesus was a damn fine player for the Royals.

He does remind me of Damon. A guy who was damn good in KC but sucked in Oakland. And yes I stole that from another poster from the other site.

"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton

by vignette17 on Jul 31, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

2 years, now

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by grover on Jul 31, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought it was

But I recalled it used to be three and so became I unsure of myself.

"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton

by vignette17 on Jul 31, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I could of sworn DeJesus was below the B line

I was wrong.

Yet, even in my wrongness I am more right than PL78.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Jul 31, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

I don't feel that I'm feeling your feelings, about these feelings that you feel.

by doctorK on Jul 31, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or put it this way:

For all of the OFs:

Jose Bautista (95.211), highest type A
Josh Willingham (74.648)
Torii Hunter (74.085), lowest type A
David DeJesus (65.352)
Austin Jackson (59.347), lowest type B
Coco Crisp (56.901)

by danmerqury on Jul 31, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

and one of the guys ahead of Crisp is Rios,

who has been benched and will be easily passed.

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by notsellingjeans on Jul 31, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I agree with this.

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

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by kenntoe on Jul 31, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree

Youre the one who wants to keep players that have absolutely zero value here. hero66 agrees, as does FrankCohen. You are wrong. Turning down Lars Anderson for renegging on another player for RICH HARDEN is universally stupid.

by PL78 on Jul 31, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

What you don't understand is WHY you turn it down

Forget the players involved. One more time, it’s about the message it sends if you cave in when the other team decides they want to add a caveat.

Fuck. That. Shit.

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by Flashfire on Jul 31, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd agree with that if it was for any non-made of glass player.

But its Harden! He’s bound to break at any second! We paid $1M for him! We should take one in the you know what to get Anderson for him. No care ever about renegging. Beane wants too much when he cant afford to. Our farm sucks, we NEED to re-up it. Beane is going about it the worst way he can.

by PL78 on Jul 31, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would never cave in this situation, but if I were to ever consider

taking a prospect over principles it would have to be someone a lot better than Anderson

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry bro

you just don’t get it

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

http://www.domingobeisbol.com/

by hero66 on Jul 31, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Obviously not

I mean, we disagree with you.

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

http://www.domingobeisbol.com/

by hero66 on Jul 31, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

To be fair, it is summer break

I won’t see mine until September

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

http://www.domingobeisbol.com/

by hero66 on Jul 31, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm guessing Boston offered him a list of PTBNL and they were all people that would be worth getting

If I’m Beane, I’m not letting them add a provision that gives them an out to keep whoever that is. My attitude on Harden is you know the risk you’re getting if you want him, so don’t come back to us later on and say “We’ll take him IF…”

I don’t mind keeping Harden in that case. Why give in? That’s not being greedy. That’s expecting the other side to honor what they offered you.

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by Flashfire on Jul 31, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd have gone for it, if I could get a better PTBNL or maybe

2 PTBNLs if Harden met whatever IP requirement they wanted as the contingency. But to just offer the same deal with a contingency is not acceptable.

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

People are wrong all the time.

It’s not a reason to make the discussion go meta.

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by iglew on Jul 31, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Being wrong" XOR "yelling"

Please

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by elcroata on Jul 31, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can I run the team?

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"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on Jul 31, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you give me a job, you've got my vote.

"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury

by OldhamA on Jul 31, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I need some help installing hardwood flooring.

Are you any good on your knees?

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by Tutu-late on Jul 31, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's a euphemism if ever I saw one.

"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury

by OldhamA on Jul 31, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

hehehe

i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72

by Tutu-late on Jul 31, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do you want the job, or not?

If you do, then shut up and get on your knees, and start nailing. jk.

i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72

by Tutu-late on Jul 31, 2011 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nailing who?

"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury

by OldhamA on Jul 31, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Cherry

i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72

by Tutu-late on Jul 31, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sounds like a stripper

"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury

by OldhamA on Jul 31, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well that's disappointing.

"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury

by OldhamA on Jul 31, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, WHAT, just exactly, did you think I was hiring you for?

i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72

by Tutu-late on Jul 31, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Erm......supervising?

"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury

by OldhamA on Jul 31, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

heehee

We do think a lot alike

i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72

by Tutu-late on Jul 31, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

So, we have to DFA someone, right?

Since Norberto and Allen were both on AZ’s 40-man?

by danmerqury on Jul 31, 2011 11:46 AM PDT reply actions  

Ah!

Didn’t realize he was still on the 15.

by danmerqury on Jul 31, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lars?

For being jerked around by Boston, can we at least have the right to put Lars Anderson on the 60-day DL to free up a roster spot?

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by Nico on Jul 31, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

We have like 20 candidates.

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by OldhamA on Jul 31, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah Harold Reynolds is actually playing with himself while it happens

or at least he sounds like it.

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by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jeebus.

"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on Jul 31, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

F-CK THE ANGELS

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by stm72 on Jul 31, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

No, Fuck the Fucking piece of shiet Angels.

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
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by kenntoe on Jul 31, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fangraphs' latest article headline:

Oakland Uses Brad Ziegler to Free Brandon Allen

We’re getting a lot of “FREE PLAYER X” recently. I like it.

by danmerqury on Jul 31, 2011 11:54 AM PDT reply actions  

Tigers fans felt the same way about Sizemore

Lot of “free scott sizemore!” stuff

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

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by hero66 on Jul 31, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

FanGraphs fucking loves the guy.

I think they write like, one article a year about how Arizona needs to “Free Brandon Allen.” I guess Goldschmidt made him expendable. Beane got his “can’t miss” young power hitter.

by NateHST on Jul 31, 2011 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Allen, Sizemore, Fox...

We’ve sure been rolling the dice on a lot of AAA players lately.

by danmerqury on Jul 31, 2011 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's the new market inefficiency!

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

http://www.domingobeisbol.com/

by hero66 on Jul 31, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's funny that you still think of Fox.

Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.

by iglew on Jul 31, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah, what could have been!

i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72

by Tutu-late on Jul 31, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

There might actually be something to this.

Patterson was in the same position as Fox. Neither of them worked out. But Sizemore, Allen and Lars Anderson all fit that bill of good prospects who are either stalled, blocked or mistreated.

by NateHST on Jul 31, 2011 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

why do the players I like get traded and the players i hate sit around like fungus. :(

Ziggy got me over my Chad Bradford mourning. I demand another submariner.

"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on Jul 31, 2011 11:54 AM PDT reply actions  

Cust was a sub-Mariner

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by Tutu-late on Jul 31, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fungus is the new market efficiency

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Which players do you hate?

"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury

by OldhamA on Jul 31, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Those with Athlete's Foot

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hopefully the A's will Rule 5 an intriguing submariner.

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by notsellingjeans on Jul 31, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope so. D:

Even if the A’s don’t love their Rule Vs enough.

"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on Jul 31, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yankees talks for Wandy dead

Any chance they get in on Harden at the last minute?

*Insert something witty here*. Oh, and Stanfurd Sucks.

by FrankCohen on Jul 31, 2011 11:56 AM PDT reply actions  

Montero!

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

.
Jane Lee
Ziegler saying goodbyes to #Athletics fans http://twitpic.com/5yyggs

Last of the Ninth - Photography

by Flashfire on Jul 31, 2011 12:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Not I.

I have already lived a year in Blythe,CA. Tuu damned hot for my migraines.

i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72

by Tutu-late on Jul 31, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly. It's basically a desert, right?

"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury

by OldhamA on Jul 31, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Each to their own.

"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury

by OldhamA on Jul 31, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

beautiful

the artist formerly known as inbillywetrust

by stm72 on Jul 31, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

To visit?

I’m sure it is beautiful. To live? Not for me.

i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72

by Tutu-late on Jul 31, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep, that's why retirees are called snow birds.

They live elsewhere in the summer, and live in Phoenix in the winter.

i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72

by Tutu-late on Jul 31, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cacti.

"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on Jul 31, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I liked it there, actually

Only been there for 3 weeks, though

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by elcroata on Jul 31, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mark Ellis does.

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Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.

by iglew on Jul 31, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think it needs to be said that I'm not Mark Ellis...

He’s far more lovable than I.

"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury

by OldhamA on Jul 31, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

True, but you've got better hair.

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Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.

by iglew on Jul 31, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

And I'm prettier.

Beyond that though he’s got me beat.

"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury

by OldhamA on Jul 31, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

ummmmm.

The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. —Joe Posnanski 8/29/09

by pam5981 on Jul 31, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

You've misspelled "UNGH"

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by elcroata on Jul 31, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

About Oldham? Or Mark Ellis?

The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. —Joe Posnanski 8/29/09

by pam5981 on Jul 31, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, that's how it's spelled

when you’ve got something in your mouth.

Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.

by iglew on Jul 31, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dirty.

The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. —Joe Posnanski 8/29/09

by pam5981 on Jul 31, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Only if you make it that way.

Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.

by iglew on Jul 31, 2011 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

~~~
Pam 5981: the original Dirty.

Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.

by iglew on Jul 31, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes.

The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. —Joe Posnanski 8/29/09

by pam5981 on Jul 31, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I AM SO SAD. :( I wish I were at the game right now so I could go "I LOVE YOUUUUU" in person.

I got him to sign my shirt last season and he was so nice. :(

"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on Jul 31, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, I will.

I followed Chadford til the end of his days, I do love my subarmine relievers.

But I’m still sadface. I now have to figure out if Balfour or Bailey will be my new favorite reliever, meh.

"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on Jul 31, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is my concern.

"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on Jul 31, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

That is why it is so hard to choose.

I like a mix of talent and hilarity.

"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on Jul 31, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

such a nice guy.

The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. —Joe Posnanski 8/29/09

by pam5981 on Jul 31, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

aw.

The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. —Joe Posnanski 8/29/09

by pam5981 on Jul 31, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL @ Weaver getting upset at Tigers home runs

Magglio stood in box and admired and now Carlos Guillen. Weaver upset and apparently benches warned.

Go fuck yourself Weaver

Now he got tossed. LOL

by Trainman on Jul 31, 2011 12:02 PM PDT reply actions  

HAHAHAHA Guillen talked mad shit to him, too.

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by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

i repeat. F-CK THE ANGELS

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by stm72 on Jul 31, 2011 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

What about Oakland? We can win too.

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure we can

Of course I want our team to win but it aint happening at this point

by Trainman on Jul 31, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fuck them both.

"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on Jul 31, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Two words -- GO MARINERS.

"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on Jul 31, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Guilen was being a complete asshole

I’d have done the same thing

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

http://www.domingobeisbol.com/

by hero66 on Jul 31, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Guillen stared him down as he walked halfway to first base

and then talked shit to him as he was rounding the bases. I’d have taken him out before he reached second base, fuck throwing at the next guy.

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

http://www.domingobeisbol.com/

by hero66 on Jul 31, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey, we agree

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by elcroata on Jul 31, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

No way, fuck Guillen

That was beyond bush league

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Jul 31, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Weaver deserved it

He’s been mouthing off all day.

by PL78 on Jul 31, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Didnt deserve that.

Screw Guillen, fully on Weaver’s side on that one

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Jul 31, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

No way

Its no secret that Weaver’s a colossal douche, he was acting like a jerk all day and deserved it, and deserved to get tossed.

by PL78 on Jul 31, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ordonez took a little while to get out of the box on his home run

so at the end of the inning Weaver passes MigCab and tells him to let the Tigers hitters know to run out of the box. Then Guillen, like a petulent little child, acts like an asshole all the way around the bases on his home run.

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

http://www.domingobeisbol.com/

by hero66 on Jul 31, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

it's a petulant child move on Weaver's part to complain about the home run walk...

because he’s bitter about allowing a home run.

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by notsellingjeans on Jul 31, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's my understanding that he just went over and told him to run around the bases

without any animosity. that is perfectly reasonable

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

http://www.domingobeisbol.com/

by hero66 on Jul 31, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think that's crap.

Not everyone who is slow around the bases is thumbing their noses at you.

And Rule #1. If you don’t want guys ‘showboating’ (whether or not they actually are) then don’t give them something to hit over the fence.

by LoneStranger on Jul 31, 2011 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

You are getting bad info.

Weaver’s a hick and was mouthing off all day at every Tigers hitter, as he often mouths off at most every team that gets the better of him.

Weaver’s the child here. Guillen’s kind of a dick, but Weaver going head hunting is the most despicable thing he can do. What if Avila didn’t get out of the way and he died as a result? You never purposely throw at the head of a hitter.

by PL78 on Jul 31, 2011 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is Verlander the best pitcher in the game?!

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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 31, 2011 12:06 PM PDT reply actions  

IMO Yes

Way better than Weaver. Better stuff

by Trainman on Jul 31, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Him or Halladay

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes CC is awesome as well

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I'd say

1A. Halladay 1B. Verlander 2. CC 3. Weaver 4. Josh Johnson 5. Felix 6. Beckett 7. Cliff Lee 8. Kershaw 9. Jurjens 10. Haren 11. Linececum 12. Grenkie

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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 31, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

You missed out Cahill and Gio.

"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury

by OldhamA on Jul 31, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Gio would come in around 15th or 16th......And Cahill around 25, 26

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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 31, 2011 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

This.

"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on Jul 31, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL, the angels bunted now

hahahahaha.

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

http://www.domingobeisbol.com/

by hero66 on Jul 31, 2011 12:13 PM PDT reply actions  

I usually don't care about guys watching a home run

but he was deliberately trying to piss off the pitcher there, which is beyond lame. acted like a jackass.

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

http://www.domingobeisbol.com/

by hero66 on Jul 31, 2011 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Erm, that was right after Weaver was pissing and moaning about a pitch called a ball.

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by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

this.

Weaver was the jerk here. Guillen’s a dick but Weaver is worse.

by PL78 on Jul 31, 2011 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pirates have re-newed interest in Ludwick

Looks like thats down to the Indians and Pirates…maybe we can offer the loser DeJesus?

*Insert something witty here*. Oh, and Stanfurd Sucks.

by FrankCohen on Jul 31, 2011 12:13 PM PDT reply actions  

I dont understand why teams want Ludwick more than Willingham

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

http://www.domingobeisbol.com/

by hero66 on Jul 31, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

My guess

is that the Padres aren’t asking for too much and Beane is (rightfully so) asking for a lot for Willingham.

*Insert something witty here*. Oh, and Stanfurd Sucks.

by FrankCohen on Jul 31, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

From what I hear, it's Willingham's achilles that's scaring teams off

which is reasonable. Ludwick is healthy.

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by Nico on Jul 31, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

A maybe hurt Willingham is probably more valuable than a healthy Ludwick

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

http://www.domingobeisbol.com/

by hero66 on Jul 31, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is it just me?

Or is AN a lot angrier than it used to be?

by pbruins92 on Jul 31, 2011 12:14 PM PDT reply actions  

The team sorta stinks....there's probably correlation to that

I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.

by franks a lot on Jul 31, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nah.

The angry factor of AN is directly correlated to our record.

"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on Jul 31, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorta.

The angry factor of AN is directly correlated to our record in the last two days. 60-18, but lost two in a row? JAOIDSFDSJNSJFSCNFSISAD

by danmerqury on Jul 31, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

You don't seem all that angry to me

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by elcroata on Jul 31, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Frustration over the lack of much substance around the deadline?

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart

by kenntoe on Jul 31, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Anger and frustration are what drives the internet.

It’s not going anywhere.

The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. —Joe Posnanski 8/29/09

by pam5981 on Jul 31, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

zigs was one my favorite a's players

such a good story, but two legit prospects. great deal beane.

bailey to the rangers seems like a terrible idea to me, unless we get some slam dunk prospects. i don’t want to be facing him for three more seasons in division play…

by nateinberkeley on Jul 31, 2011 12:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Not gonna happen anymore

Rangers got Uehara and Adams

*Insert something witty here*. Oh, and Stanfurd Sucks.

by FrankCohen on Jul 31, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is why i'm sad. =(

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart

by kenntoe on Jul 31, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yay!

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

i would have every single batter bunt if im the angels

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

http://www.domingobeisbol.com/

by hero66 on Jul 31, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

esp bourjos here

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

http://www.domingobeisbol.com/

by hero66 on Jul 31, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Botched rundown.

Angels score.

Jim McLennan is right!

by Coach Cleats on Jul 31, 2011 12:18 PM PDT reply actions  

susanslusser Susan Slusser
Conor Jackson and Jerry Blevins both liken Brandon Allen to a “left-handed Chris Carter,” but with less power. #Athletics

oh my god isn’t one chris carter enough.

"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on Jul 31, 2011 12:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Less power?! Send him back.

"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury

by OldhamA on Jul 31, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

...

no?

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

http://www.domingobeisbol.com/

by hero66 on Jul 31, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hell, no.

I want nine Chris Carters. An army of Trogdors.

Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.

by iglew on Jul 31, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

HIT!

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

http://www.domingobeisbol.com/

by hero66 on Jul 31, 2011 12:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Damn.

The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. —Joe Posnanski 8/29/09

by pam5981 on Jul 31, 2011 12:22 PM PDT reply actions  

and another hit ties up the game

lololol

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

http://www.domingobeisbol.com/

by hero66 on Jul 31, 2011 12:22 PM PDT reply actions  

sorry, but after what guillen did

i am rooting for the tigers to lose

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

http://www.domingobeisbol.com/

by hero66 on Jul 31, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

How about a bench clearing scrum where both teams get DQ'd and counts as losses for both.

I vote for option C.

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart

by kenntoe on Jul 31, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not me

100 mph still by Verlander.

Hung a couple of curves and got lucky.

by Trainman on Jul 31, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hunter FTW

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by elcroata on Jul 31, 2011 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ludwick to the Pirates close, per Morosi

Maybe Indians will get back on Crisp/Willingham/DeJesus?

*Insert something witty here*. Oh, and Stanfurd Sucks.

by FrankCohen on Jul 31, 2011 12:26 PM PDT reply actions  

No

which is what doesn’t make sense to me. He kinda sucks.

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

http://www.domingobeisbol.com/

by hero66 on Jul 31, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL Looks like Verlander just threatened Aybar

From the dugout he yelled at him in the field and pointed to his arse indicating he is going to get it next time.

by Trainman on Jul 31, 2011 12:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Hah!

During a no hitter? Jesus.

by danmerqury on Jul 31, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

such BS

i hate that “no bunting” unwritten rule. maybe if you’re down 8-0 or something, but this is still a winnable game and you do what you can to win the game.

then again, in this situation, I would’ve bunted even if it was 8-0, lol

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

http://www.domingobeisbol.com/

by hero66 on Jul 31, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

It’s stupid to say you can’t try a legitimate tactic to win the game just so one player can preserve a stat.

Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.

by iglew on Jul 31, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

they say you don’t play the game for statistical accomplishment, but there’s that, and then managers always bringing in closers with 3-run leads, just because it’s a “save situation”

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

http://www.domingobeisbol.com/

by hero66 on Jul 31, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. —Joe Posnanski 8/29/09

by pam5981 on Jul 31, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Totally agree.

If you don’t want a bunt single, then field it well.

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by Nico on Jul 31, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love Jeff.

The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. —Joe Posnanski 8/29/09

by pam5981 on Jul 31, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Me too. Sigh! Dreamy.

The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. —Joe Posnanski 8/29/09

by pam5981 on Jul 31, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love him.

"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on Jul 31, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Top of 9 now

Valverde in.

I missed the Aybar error earlier. Someone said he tried to break up the no hitter with a bunt.

That is an unwritten no no if it’s the case.

by Trainman on Jul 31, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL, now Verlander yells out to Aybar and says he's going to hit him

fuck that guy

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

http://www.domingobeisbol.com/

by hero66 on Jul 31, 2011 12:34 PM PDT reply actions  

Clearly I don't understand baseball etiquette yet.

I would literally kick the shit out of someone that intentionally hit me with a fastball.

"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury

by OldhamA on Jul 31, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

If it happens in the 9th

we will probably see a lot of that

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

http://www.domingobeisbol.com/

by hero66 on Jul 31, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Weaver threw near the head

I don’t care how wronged he thought he was.

He will get suspended and miss a start I would think

by Trainman on Jul 31, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bullshit

He threw a pitch at his head/ dude. THERE IS NO FUCKING EXCUSE FOR THAT. EVER

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by elcroata on Jul 31, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions   5 recs

Amen.

Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.

by iglew on Jul 31, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Y'see this is the thing - you'd think rugby players would be able to fight.

In my experience…..not so much.

"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury

by OldhamA on Jul 31, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

The All Blacks Disagree

They never back down from nothing.

See Buck Shelford, Richard Loe and Mark “Cowboy” Shaw just to name a few,

My cousin was playing for Wellington and he cold cocked a guy who was testicle pulling. He dropped the guy cold right in front of the ref. He was sent to the sin bin for 10.

Now if you do that now, you are sent off.

by Trainman on Jul 31, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't say they all couldn't fight - just a lot of them can't.

When fists start flying in the SL I honestly cringe.

Plus there’s a macho story where I kicked a rugby player’s ass that I’m not gonna tell. Cos I’m modest.

"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury

by OldhamA on Jul 31, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also NZ was playing Wales years ago and the lock for Wales punched an All Black. Buck Shelford came up from behind and knocked the guy out cold.

The ref saw the first punch as as he blew his whistle, Buck came in and knock the guy cold. He was like 6 feet 6 and 260 and buch about 6 feet 2. When the guy came around the ref sent him off for the originial infraction. Shelford didn’t even get a reprimand for the knock out

by Trainman on Jul 31, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I did say rugby y'know....

"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury

by OldhamA on Jul 31, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, I know

Do you like Union or League better

by Trainman on Jul 31, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't acknowledge Union.

"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury

by OldhamA on Jul 31, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Richard Loe was playing provincial rugby and eyegouged one of his NZ
He got banned for 9 months. Another time an Aussie scored in the corner and Loe went over and broke his nose for scoring.

Loe was voted the dirtiest player in world rugby back then. 99 times out of 100 New Zealand does not instigate or they get in big trouble with their management. But they are famous for retaliation and usually they get the guy good. See a few go off on a stretcher.

by Trainman on Jul 31, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

15 minutes left to trade the team

My mannerism a prism/ And it should shine
Light it if you would/ Be so kind, right now'd
Be A' Good Time

by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 31, 2011 12:44 PM PDT reply actions  

LOL Tom Verducci

“Can you imagine what Valverde is gonna do if he gets an out to end THIS game?”

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

http://www.domingobeisbol.com/

by hero66 on Jul 31, 2011 12:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Can I ride on the ski rack?

"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on Jul 31, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't have one

But I’d probably fly anyway.

Last of the Ninth - Photography

by Flashfire on Jul 31, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, I finally caught up with the comments on this thread.

Four minutes before the trade deadline.

Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.

by iglew on Jul 31, 2011 12:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Welcome to the front page, DWishinsky.

For what it’s worth, I like the content better than the name.

Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.

by iglew on Jul 31, 2011 12:57 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't get it.

Some sort of movie reference?

Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.

by iglew on Jul 31, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

You'd be banned if I had mod powers.

"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury

by OldhamA on Jul 31, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wasn't joking. I really didn't get it.

I figured it out with googling though. I saw the first two Indiana Jones movies. Liked the first, not the second.

Does the phrase have any currency before the movie? I hadn’t heard it.

Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.

by iglew on Jul 31, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

UNREC'D

How can you not have seen Last Crusade? One of the best movies EVER

"Da greatness of Da Rooster" - RLangford

"The whole thing was a piece of theatre. Billy had told Art how and where to stand during a game so that the players would... take strength from his countenance, because when Art sat on the bench... he looked like a prisoner of war."
-Moneyball

by darooster on Jul 31, 2011 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

This style is how fantasy squads are named in my league.

SheWantMauer,Mauer,Mauer
HumberTellYaChildrenNotToWalkMyWay
The Green JeMile
Duensing With The Stars

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by notsellingjeans on Jul 31, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I do the same but with a different corpus.

Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.

by iglew on Jul 31, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

That is an epid handle

You should change your name to that

"Da greatness of Da Rooster" - RLangford

"The whole thing was a piece of theatre. Billy had told Art how and where to stand during a game so that the players would... take strength from his countenance, because when Art sat on the bench... he looked like a prisoner of war."
-Moneyball

by darooster on Jul 31, 2011 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oops

Meant epic

"Da greatness of Da Rooster" - RLangford

"The whole thing was a piece of theatre. Billy had told Art how and where to stand during a game so that the players would... take strength from his countenance, because when Art sat on the bench... he looked like a prisoner of war."
-Moneyball

by darooster on Jul 31, 2011 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh well, too late for Harden-for-Pujols

But I saw Brandon Allen play in several games on TV last year and he went crazy, hitting several mammoth blasts, so I like that for Ziggy (sorry Kyli).

Welcome to the FP, d-wish!!!

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by emperor nobody on Jul 31, 2011 1:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Allen or Cust?

From what I’ve read, isn’t Brandon Allen, at best, a poor man’s Jack Cust?

Sheesh, I’d hate to think what the A’s would have to pay if they actually traded for someone like Ziegler.

In other news, Brian “Twenties” Fuentes trade falls through.

A little known trade between the A’s and Giants fell through. “We just couldn’t get the terms right” said the A’s GM. "We offered to get rid of… I mean trade “Twenties”, but all they were offering was a pack of double-mint gum. I would have taken that deal too, except that there were only two pieces left in the pack, and I always chew two at a time".

by BrianJ12 on Jul 31, 2011 4:18 PM PDT reply actions  

I thought your last attempt at humor could not be bottomed

Also, what kind of literature do you use for your ingenious baseball insights?

2011 Oakland Athletics: We have Cy Young pitchers and make yours look like it, too

by elcroata on Jul 31, 2011 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

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