The Harden Non-Trade and the 2011 Season
UPDATE 11:40AM: RHP Brad Ziegler has been dealt to the Arizona Diamondbacks in exchange for 1B Brandon Allen and LHP Jordan Norberto.
Greetings Athletics Nation,
I am excited to be the new "Sunday (SUNDAY! SUNDAY!) guy" here at Athletics Nation. I guess a little about me and where I am coming from, I was a long time lurker and really always enjoyed reading everything and everyone's opinion here. Busy with work all the time, I never really decided to get involved and just would sit at home and watch the games (often several hours or days late) and read as much news and blog posts and comments I could consume but that was it. I've always enjoyed writing, and this year one of my New Year's resolutions was to share my love of baseball and my many opinions on it by creating a blog. I started commenting on here, and then right after the New Year started my website the Todd Van Poppel Rookie Card Retirement Plan. Really I had the idea months earlier to start a blog but wanted to wait until I had a name I liked. Therefore once I got one, I could pawn off crappy work and say, hey at least the name is cool. To this day I still think most people like the name more than the content, but I'm fine with that. At that point I also became a more frequent poster and commenter on AN (though my posts until now) have been far more infrequent than my comments so many of you will be seeing me for the first time here.
In terms of baseball philosophy, I lean stathead but really value things like happy clubhouses and other psychological factors. I feel more confident talking about roster construction than in-game strategy because I think that ultimately the stats say more about roster construction than they do about how to play certain scenarios. I tend to be more optimistic than pessimistic (though this post may counter that view), and ultimately at the end of the day I just enjoy the game. Ever since I opened up my first pack of baseball cards of which I can still remember many of the contents, (it was that great wood-grained 1987 Topps set) guys like Wayne Tolleson, Expos Manager Buck Rodgers and the checklist on the back, Wally Backman and more, I've been hooked on the game. Hopefully I can share my passion for baseball with all of you. Now onto the trade that wasn't!
Yesterday evening during the game it was reported in numerous locations that the A's and Red Sox had agreed to a deal that would send Rich Harden to the Red Sox in return for Pawtucket (AAA) first baseman Lars Anderson. Anderson has a little problem breaking into the Red Sox lineup for the near future so I am sure he was happy about the trade, but the Red Sox ultimately were not happy with the medical report they got on Harden (is this really that surprising?) and nixed the deal.
To me this non-trade sort of encapsulated our entire season. Anderson might've been no good but still, a Northern California native, he was described in this scouting report at the Sons of Sam Horn Wiki as,
"Tall slugger with a great hitter's frame, excellent present power, and an elite power ceiling. Extremely smooth and fluid swing. Impeccable batting eye with very good patience at the plate, he actually could stand to be a little more aggressive. Hits especially well to the opposite field, but can also pull the ball on occasion."
He sounded like the type of guy the A's would love to have, especially when we are decidedly low on people with "excellent present power" and certainly have few anyone would ever use the words "elite power" with. But instead of unloading an asset we really didn't need for a stretch run that will be likely without a playoff berth (nor sniff at one) and getting an asset that has the potential to be just what we need to solve a problem, the deal is off, we keep Harden and poor Lars gets to show off his stuff for the good people of Rhode Island. Disappointing to us who know we need hitters and that losing Harden didn't represent mortgaging our future. Everything looked good, then it turned bad. That sort of is 2011 to me.
I, like many here, loved this team's chances going into the season. We had great pitching and even if Trevor Cahill regressed because his BABIP would climb, Gio would do better, we had depth in our rotation, our bullpen was going to solve any problem our rotation might ever get into, Josh Willingham was going to come and give us a legitimate power threat along with an aged like a fine wine Matsui who still would be more Godzilla and less Geico Gecko, Daric Barton was going to learn to hit with more power and new addition David DeJesus would be up there hitting .300 and being a doubles and triples machine. While if someone told me that we would be having Guillermo Moscoso and Graham Godfrey in our rotation for a time in April I'd have said, wow we are screwed, ultimately even that didn't fell our chances.
We simply couldn't hit. It wasn't just a a few points behind their career averages type of thing. We had tons of guys who had career worst years simultaneously. Mark Ellis was worth as many WAR as an offensive player (0.0) as Brett Anderson. Moscoso (0.0) and his striking out 2-of-3 times he went to the player was worth more offensively than Barton (-0.3). It seemed that every guy on the team endured long stretches where their batting averages in the .100's were more like the ISO's of Rangers bench players. In a year when we thought we'd contend, we didn't. We spent a lot of time instead in fourth place.
That's how this deal sort of sums up this year. The tease of something better, the ultimate inexplicable failure to get whatever needed to be done done. The trade deadline is this afternoon at 1PM PDT - there is still time for Billy Beane to make a move or two. There are many great things about baseball, the crack of the bat; sitting in glorious sunshine on a Sunday afternoon (after reading whatever I've written going forward); the fact that you can't run down a clock and need to face the music and get 27 guys out; and the fact that ultimately there is always next year.
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Very nice intro.
I still have my wood grain cards. I started just before you did, around 1985. I would beg my dad to take me to the store to get my stickers, baseball cards and candy. (They did seem to have a high amount of Royal, Brewer, and Expo cards). Now kids don’t buy baseball cards, and sticker books have disappeared. My cousins collect Pokemon cards, of all things. Times sure have changed.
by player20 on Jul 31, 2011 6:23 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
oh baseball cards and sticker books, where have you gone?
I started in that same time frame of ‘87-’88-’89. Those were good times
by bruceXbandit on Jul 31, 2011 6:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I had all 792 cards in all three of those sets several times over.
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i have a ton also....
my parents were very surprised when they awoke one morning to find that i had scotched taped all of them to my bed room wall completely covering all four walls and wasting every roll of scotch tape we had in the house.
by bruceXbandit on Jul 31, 2011 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Come on. Everyone knows the walls are for SI for Kids Athlete posters.
Bo Jackson, Barry Parking, and Darryl Strawberry stayed on the wall until I moved out.
by player20 on Jul 31, 2011 7:38 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Barry Larkin. Damn phone thinks it's smarter than me.
by player20 on Jul 31, 2011 7:39 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I can't remember the company
But one company used to do posters where the players were photoshopped onto other things. I used to love those. Like itd be like a guy with a hot stick and his bat would be on fire or something like that. Something “Brothers” if I remember right.
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Yep. I had that poster for years. And my 89 pennant.
by player20 on Jul 31, 2011 7:48 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Where would I be able to find one of those?
It’s awesome
by Twan54321 on Jul 31, 2011 12:30 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I TOTALLY HAD THAT POSTER!!
And I was born in raised in LA! It was tough getting A’s stuff down there, but I managed :)
And I also had the ’88 AL pennant, and the ’89 World Series pennant with all the signatures on it :)
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omg i had that
didnt that come with his SNES game?
by bruceXbandit on Jul 31, 2011 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions
It might've?
That does sound familiar.
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I forgot about the sticker books!
I had both the Topps and Panini ones. I remember, they’d end up so ragged by the time I finally got all the stickers, barely open without pages falling out. Then all those extra stickers ended up decorating the binders I put my baseball cards into.
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There is a website
I believe that it is the topps website, where one can submit an image and they will produce a card with the 1987 wood grain bearing said image.
http://topps.mytradingcards.com/
here it is.
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by Athletics fan and runner on Jul 31, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Ridiculous
Absolutely ridiculous that we can’t find a partner to dance with before the trade deadline.
I'd be fine with that
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 7:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Thank you! I'm psyched to be here.
Hopefully I do not suck (too bad)?
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Your piece on the Blevins DFA thing was awesome
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Thanks!
All the reporters got back to me which was really cool, but Bob Rose said the magic words “option waivers” that really helped clarify the whole thing. Here I had thought after 30 years I knew all the ins-and-outs, guess I was wrong.
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Braves just stole Michael Bourn for
Jordan Schafer, Brett Oberholtzer, Paul Clemens and Juan Abreu
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Its interesting
Because a lot of reports are saying the asking price is too high for Willingham and Crisp. Yet Hunter Pence went from being good player to “future HOFer Pence!” practically at the deadline. Wonder what we’re asking in return for these guys that has all these teams bowing out?
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I can see why they wouldn't trade us Oberholtzer for Crisp when they could use him as
the main piece in a trade for Bourn…maybe along with Schafer. I’d actually be fine keeping Willingham for the picks.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I am not saying our offerings are topline (let's be honest they arent)
But I have really come around and am starting to be fine with the Willingham for picks deal. I suppose any new CBA won’t effect the rules for this offseason so no worries there.
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Pence is 3-3.5 WAR guy, he's not a star by any means.
Biggest mind-blow of the deadline is the hype around such an “pretty decent” player.
He averaged a 3.7 his previous four seasons
And there’s more to players than just WAR.
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Cool definition
Because out his 5 years in the Majors he was under 3.5 only once
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dwish, I think the A's are victimized by their park effect.
Some front office still care about RBI and batting average more that they should.
If you look at only the “baseball card stats” of Hunter Pence and Willingham, and you scout them and can clearly see that Pence runs better and looks like a better athlete, then your front office would grade out Pence as a much, much better player. I’m not saying he isn’t better, just that the difference between them seems greater than it actually is to some front offices.
The Phillies, not coincidentally, probably are one of those front offices, as evidenced by their Ryan Howard extension. Howard is being paid for being an “RBI man,” etc.
My main point is that when the A’s are trying to shop an offensive player, it’s a tough sell around the league, because “we” value all our guys more than anyone else does.
Hence my desire to shop pitching, almost all the time (right now I like the idea of shopping Gio to the Yanks).
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by notsellingjeans on Jul 31, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Isn't Schafer supposed to be pretty good?
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by cuppingmaster on Jul 31, 2011 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Back when he was on PEDs, sure
Been rather meh since then. He won’t hurt you in CF but he looks like a guy you play while you shop to find someone better.
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I really liked Oberholtzer.
Since they have the Teheran/Minor/Vizcaino crop of top guys, I was hoping maybe they’d part with him if they got desperate for one of the A’s outfielders.
Balfour's being considered by the D'Backs so maybe something will come there.
Personally I’d rather keep him as he’s been consistently strong all year in the pen.
The worst person to run from is yourself.
Yeah of all the trade pieces
He is by far the last one I’d like to see leave.
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That is what we all said about Weurtz last year. Reliever stats are so fleeting, if we get a good player
Balfour can go cussing out the door.
by theblackpearl on Jul 31, 2011 7:27 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
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Yeah thats a good point
I’d love to get rid of Wuertz, he is a one-trick pony with the slider.
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He's fine as long as the slider is working
When it’s not working, he’s awful. And it doesn’t work when he’s even slightly injured, and he continues to pitch. This is why I’d like to see him gone.
You have a point.
Baltimore had an all-star reliever a few years ago, and they let him go. I think his name was Sherill. I’m not going to get too attached to any of our relievers, especially after these recent performances.
by player20 on Jul 31, 2011 7:31 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Thats why I think moving Bailey this offseason could net us a ton back and is something we ought to do.
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Sounds like a plan. We have been fortunate to have had more good relievers/ closers than bad over the last 9 or so years.
I expect that trend to continue. As for position players, keep Willingham and Weeks. I am impartial to the rest.
by player20 on Jul 31, 2011 7:54 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm not sold on Willingham beyond this year myself
I’d keep Weeks, I’d like to re-sign DeJesus really
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You're sold on DeJesus beyond this year?
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions
This year is I think a terrible anamoly
I’d trust him to rebound more than Willingham or Crisp to stay healthy and productive.
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He should come cheaply anyway
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd hope.
I think the difficult part is either you need to overpay on a longer-term deal or his agent has him sign a 1-year to rebuild value and does so in a hitter’s park.
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Ya he might be better off in Houston or someplace like that
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions
That'd likely be a real good place.
Get traded to a contender at the deadline?
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If he does a good job, sure
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd be on board with that.
A 1 year deal sounds like it would be beneficial for both parties. DDJ might be motivated to play a little harder to increase his value. If someone liked what they saw and threw the kitchen sink at him, so be it. If no one else wants him, Billy can decide where to go from there.
by player20 on Jul 31, 2011 8:13 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I just don't see him signing a one-year deal here
Why would he? Tough park to build value in.
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he's not a power hitter. that's not his game
there’s no park reason for him not to do what he’s always done offensively.
Sure
But we are bad for hits in general and triples and right around average for doubles. If I am him, even if it isnt a power hitters park, I want somewhere where I can utilize my speed.
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DDJ might be at a crossroads.
If there was another team that really wanted him (I guess Toronto did), they would have got him before the season started. I would say from Game 1 until now, his value has decreased. We may possibly be his last shot, considering KC was willing to part with him.
by player20 on Jul 31, 2011 8:31 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't agree
if you hit the ball square you’re likely to get hits a good amount of the time, regardless of the park. DDJ’s performance is due to a combination of factors.
I am on the fence with Coco.
I wasn’t too enthused when we got him last year. But I grew to like him in his partial season. Speedy leadoff hitter, occasional pop. I thought we would see more of that this year. But it seems like there has been a decrease in his XBH production, and he seems a bit slower at times. I do love his defense (not so much the arm), but if he were to leave, I don’t think it would bother me much.
by player20 on Jul 31, 2011 8:20 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
There has been a decrease in XBH, though not much of one
Last year: 32.1% of his hits were for XB
This year: 30.0%
It’s just that last year, 12 of his 26 XBH (out of 81 H) were 3B & HR, and this year it’s at 9 of his 30 (100 H).
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Right. But his higher production came in a shorter, more sporadic period of time.
Thank you for the research, Flashfire. It just seemed like Coco was “more clutch” last year. He just doesn’t seem to be getting on base as much. Maybe it is just me.
by player20 on Jul 31, 2011 8:54 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
It's hard to consistently get on base when you keep swinging at so many pitches
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He's not
OBP last year: .342
This year: .325
SLG is also down, helping lead to about a .070 drop in OPS.
Seeing fewer pit/PA as well – 3.71 last year, 3.46 this year.
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If we could keep DeJesus at a bargain price, I wouldn't mind.
I still think he is a better hitter than he has shown. Unfortunately, I also thought the same thing about Laroche. I think he got a quick hook before he really got a chance. But I’m probably in the minority on that one.
by player20 on Jul 31, 2011 7:59 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, well
That year for Sherrill (2008) was pretty bad and he was the lone Baltimore rep, sooooo…
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can we please get rid of Fuentes
PLEASE!!!
by bruceXbandit on Jul 31, 2011 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah thats a good point
I’d love to get rid of Wuertz, he is a one-trick pony with the slider.
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early morning tweets
from @susanslusser:
So no Harden to #RedSox because of Harden’s medicals, and no Crisp to #Braves b/c of Bourn deal. Still interest in #Athletics relievers.
More likely scenario, though: #Athletics make no moves, just as Beane had suggested last Tuesday.
I tend to agree with her. Beane said that he doesn’t need to shed payroll, other clubs aren’t offering anything worthwhile, and he didn’t see a reason to simply get rid of players.
Only the Harden possibility came close.
of course, they still have around 5 hours, so you never know
and there are always August waiver wire trades.
I bet Ziegler could fetch a good return
I know earlier in the week she talked about that in her “stay put” piece.
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With the Storen talks at an impasse, this might be the time to offer Bailey for Span
Twins wanted Bernadinha and Lombardozzi too, and maybe we could offer Crisp and Cardenas with Bailey
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions
While Span is a great ballplayer
I’d like to use Bailey to get a power bat. While not an easy sell, it is an easier sell to get doubles/triples guys to Oakland than it is HR guys. We need HR guys.
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I'm not sure I agree that we specifically want "HR" guys in a non-HR park, but
we also need a CF and Span is a terrific defender who can take a walk signed through 2015
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
True true
We had HR guys in our non-HR park like Giambi and Tejada. A good ballplayer is a good ballplayer but we can’t always piece together 8 runs like we did yesterday with no dingers.
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If we were to tailor an offense to the park, it would have a bunch of guys
who could draw walks, had 2B and 3B power and run the bases….like Weeks…and of course Rickey.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree
Problem is everyone is looking for guys with higher OBPs now. That cat is out of the bag.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions
or written the book
well cooperate anyway. i know he didn’t write it
by heartstopper on Jul 31, 2011 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions
That cat
would have found its way out regardless of whether BB offered time to be interviewed for Lewis’ book.
It’s not like BB came up with the idea that OBP had more correlation with Ws than AVG or other stats that were normally sought after. There was already a growing community of stat guys making that argument. BB just happened to be the first GM to have the balls to listen to those guys and use their insights to create an advantage.
With or without the Moneyball book, those ideas would never have remained a BB “secret.”
I think Branch Rickey had those balls long before Beane did
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Really?
Rickey listened to statheads? I want to know more…
Agreed
Also the Yankees were doing it all through the 90s with the high OBP, high P/PA stuff. You have to think it wasn’t just coincidental. (Maybe it was?) But it isnt an exciting story, wealthiest baseball team succeeds by spending lots of money and oh yeah they have this theory on OBP as an undervalued resource that they can still afford!
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Maybe
it was coincidental. Yankees almost always had teams made up of the best HR guys with a few high AVG guys in there. Both those things tend to lead to good OBP. Beane was all about finding the high OBP guys that didn’t have high AVG, HR, or look good in jeans. That was a different way to approach it. For example, a guy like Swisher probably would have been dropped from the Yanks in the 90s because his HR numbers didn’t make up for the low AVG. Now that they look at his OBP it totally makes sense to keep him around.
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We do.
Power isn’t the be all and end all, but when you have as little as the A’s have, it’s a problem independent of the “need better hitters in general” issue. The A’s don’t need lots of power, but they need some.
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Says who?
I’ve heard this a million times, never backed up by any research, data or logical explanation (I am not saying that opinions can not be voiced without being backed up, but they sure increase in importance if they are).
So far only AN effort to understand this and shed any light on it (that I am aware of) is my own and it shows that you DO NOT NEED a specific number of home runs to be successful.
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I agree - you don't need a specific number of home runs to be successful.
But lacking any “quick strike” capability, you need to have a TON of OBP in order to string together what’s needed for crooked numbers and to avoid just being high in LOBs instead of RUNZ.
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If we can agree wOBA is a good indicator of a player's offensive prowess
and I think most here will agree on that, then it is irrelevant how this wOBA was constructed. Made out of mostly singles? Lots of strike outs and lots of home runs? Great eye, little power? Who cares?
It’s like saying that $100 made out of 5 $20 dollar bills are worth less than $100 made out of 2 $50 ones.
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Sure but...
if you own a business, that makes $100. and you earn it via 100 transactions of $1. that may work for you. What if you could make one transaction for $100? There is a cost potentially in that. Thats what I think we’re getting at.
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That is a pretty bad analogy
as there is no cost to mentioned “transactions” in baseball
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This may be very accurate on average, but I do think it works better
against worse pitchers and worse against better pitchers
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Show it
Make a study comparing best 30 FIP pitchers against teams with high OBA versus those with high SLG
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Cool, but I may ask your help in presenting the charts if that's
OK
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just my opinion,
but I suspect there will (or at least should) be a day when wOBA is slightly tweaked to lean a little more towards slugging / away from OBP from where it is today. Not a ton, mind you, but a little.
OBP w/o SLG + OBP w/o SLG is a great recipe for lots o’ LOB.
SLG w/o OBP + SLG w/o OBP is a great recipe for a few single runs here and there.
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wOBA is, unlike all other stats not a theory
Over millions and millions of game situations, real outcomes were looked at and what they produced. The value of a HR and a value of a BB were acquired form all the examples that we can think of and then some.
You can’t tweak wOBA unless the game itself tweaks it.
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by elcroata on Jul 31, 2011 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
First of all, the game itself is constantly tweaking it
From the “dead ball era” to the lowering of the mound to the steroid era to now, it’s tweaking itself in ways that directly impact BBs and HRs, runs and outs.
If I were playing any simulated game, I would use wOBA like it was the Bible. In the unique game of on the field baseball, where it’s about these players in this combination playing in this era, wOBA is an excellent guide and is not perfect.
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I am not saying it's perfect
But it’s much better than “my gut tells me that SLG is underrated”
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wOBA is adjusted year to year
And yes, the weights have changed too.
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Interesting. How so?
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The original study was 1999-2002.
Where they looked at all singles hit, and averaged out the number of runs hit from that point until the end of the inning.
But they keep readjusting that calculation every year.
Based on 4 year samples?
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
What I'm wondering is in which direction
has it been adjusting.
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FWIW, OBP correlated a lot more with
wRC+ in the 1990s than SLG and now it’s reversed
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Ah. So isn't this what I'm arguing?
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No
First, you are not arguing pro-slugging, you are arguing pro-HR. Second, you are basically saying that of the values of equal value, the one who hits more HR is a better fit for the A’s.
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Not really.
While slugging has a slightly (slightly!) higher impact now than it did in 1999-2002, it doesn’t change anything regarding the linearity of power. It’s still not worth more if you have none.
This may be true. I looked at 1991-2000
vs 2001-2010
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Your "slightly" doesn't contradict what I'm arguing
From the git-go I’ve said slightly.
And I don’t dispute the non-linearity part, just that when you have so little of something you need it’s a real problem.
Of course the A’s also have a sucky OBP, so that’s a real problem too.
As you probably know, I am a believer in the importance of balance and I have no intention of rehashing that debate again since no one will change their mind and it’s an old debate.
What I will say is that I think the “9 Hattebergs” thing was really misleading. Hatteberg had a .374 OBP that season and had 15 HRs. If you had a lineup whose cumulative OBP was .374 you’d score a ton of runs? Really? Who knew?
Especially if that same lineup combined for 135 HRs, the same as a lineup with a 2 30-HR hitters, 2 20-HR hitters, 3 10-HR hitters, and a 5-HR hitter (with a .374 OBP)? Who knew???
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I'm pretty sure that "balance"
is exactly the part the others are disagreeing with when you say “we need more power”. Not the slight yearly nudges of the various coefficients in the wOBA formula.
You believe that a team that already has plenty of OBP and not much SLG benefits more from additional SLG than additional OBP, while a team that has plenty of SLG and not much OBP benefits more from additional OBP. Others are saying that’s not true, that so long as the factors are scaled appropriately the balance part adds no additional value.
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Hasn't a team some kind of his own run environment?
The run environment has changed to lower power the last 10 years or so. The run value of power has risen subsequently.
The As have less power than the average team. So the As run environment should lead to higher run values for power than the league average.
I think it doesn’t make a lot of difference, but the point that HR have more value on the As seems to be right.
I think it's a function of park rather than
team offense. The Coliseum suppresses runs, so a HR is worth more there, and so is a SB, while a BB is worth less.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I am not convinced that such an assumption is correct
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Does this link help. From Tango:
As the run environment goes down, so does the run value of the walk. So, relatively speaking, the HR value compared to the walk increases as the run environment goes down, and decreases as the run environment goes up.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's a BTBS link
It has all the weights for each year. You can see when they increase which stats are more valuable each year.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
True
Most notable is HR. Its max post 1900 was 2.42 in 1908 (Dead Ball Era) and its min was 1.93 in 1930 (a high offense year; in 2000 it was 1.95).
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This does show that there is an inverse
relationship between run environment and the value of a HR though. The low run environment of 1968 meant a HR was worth 2.34 Runs while a HR was only worth 1.93 Runs in the Chuck Klein year of 1930.
Since the effect of facing good pitchers is essentially to lower the run environment, it tells me that it’s better to have fewer events to score runs when facing them.
You get a similar picture when looking at the relative value of a SB vs CS. In 1968 SB was worth .29 Runs and CS .48 Runs. In 1930, SB is worth only .23 Runs and CS .56 Runs.
When facing a good pitcher outs become less valuable, since Runs/Out are lower. It makes sense to try to steal in less certain situations.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
This falls a bit short
facing a good pitcher does not necessarily suppress runs in the same way that, say, a dead ball does.
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Why not?
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Because a good pitcher might suppress runs through lots of strikeouts
Whereas dead ball just reduces home runs, for example.
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1968 wasn't a "Dead Ball" period
it was a period with lots of strikeouts as the strike zone was expanded.
The point isn’t how the runs are prevented, the point is that because runs are difficult to score, outs become less valuable. I think the numbers in the link bear that out.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I wasn't talking about 1968
Look, I think you have a sound idea and that perhaps you are on to something. Perhaps you are not.
The higher value of a HR in a low scoring environment is not showing that having high HR guys works better against “good” pitchers than having high OBP guys or high 2B guys. It would, if you could assume that batters will perform to their nominal triple slash all the time. You are assuming that a guy with high HR total will hit his fair share against top pitchers. Might be. Might not be, too.
For all we know, perhaps good pitchers are better at suppressing SLG than they are in suppressing OBP. I don’t know. Neither do you.
So, an assumption that high HR guys are more valuable against good pitching than their low HR counterparts of equal total value is still pure speculation.
If someone would do the before mentioned study, we could talk about this based on some facts. Until then I see no reason to assume it correct.
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It doesn't strike me as probable
that good pitchers — i.e. those with more K and fewer BB — would be better at suppressing SLG than OBP, but I suppose it’s possible that extreme GB pitchers who also happen to be amongst the Top 30 FIP pitchers would be better at that. The study is a good idea and I’ll do it when I can.
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 1, 2011 7:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Not slugging - HR
Good pitchers also have lower HR/9.
I am on it, might have something up later today
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Oooh. Awesome!
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 1, 2011 8:06 AM PDT up reply actions
It's an intriguing idea
and you made some good points, as I said. Now, I’m curious myself
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Linear weights isn't the only model of run scoring
I have assigned myself the task today of understanding BaseRuns, but from what I know now, it’s a model that takes lineup context into account. It’s intuitively true (to me, at least?) that different types of players (in terms of shape of offensive performance) will have different effects on different lineups. BaseRuns, as I understand it, takes that into account. Linear weights do not.
That is, I don’t know if Nico is right right, but I agree with the underlying assumption of what he’s getting at, which is that not all players will affect all teams equally.
You don't need X amount of HR to be successful, but you need more than what the A's have
Especially when their OBP is so bad.
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they need more OBP. Or better pitching. Or better fielding
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Well in fairness, I did it in the comments.
But, I do think that it makes it a more uphill battle to win without any threats for quick run production.
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I agree, FWIW
10 years ago, OBP was under appreciated and SLG was over appreciated. The pendulum may have swung not to the middle, but too far the other way.
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Heh
Fair enough. I understand having such a feeling and I can see how it can be shared by many people. I am just pretty convinced it is a wrong one.
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I do think "quick run production" is valuable against good pitchers though
whether it be via HR or SB
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Right --
sometimes you’ll face a Derek Lowe and won’t hit a lot of HRs but might need to be able to steal a base to be successful. Other times you’ll face a wild rookie and will need to be patient. Other times you’ll face Danny Haren, who throws a ton of strikes but gives up dingerz.
It’s good to have weapons to beat different types of pitchers, and to win different types of games — including ones where you might find yourself trailing 5-2 and needing one swing of the bat with runners on to get back even.
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I think it's just hard to try to string multiple hits together against
better pitching. I’d rather hope Felix Hernandez makes one mistake and your burn him with a HR, or he walks Michael Bourn who creates a run by himself.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions
How many times do you face Felix in a season?
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Too many!
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Sometimes you will get that HR
Sometimes (much, much more often) your slugger will strike out. And sometimes you will string 2 BB a 2B and a single together.
Pointing to a specific situation and a possible outcome of it is not really a way to show that a general theory is a sound one.
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If you could have 7 different 1B and the luxury to playing the one most opportune to the current situation, then yes
But you don’t. You have one player for 650 plate appearances. And the times when you would love a power guy up will even up against those where you don’t want to make an out. Times when you will face good pitchers will even up with those when you face mediocre ones. The players with similar strengths will produce similarly over a course of a season, no matter how those strengths are divided up.
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But I'd rather have the shape of my Whoa Ba be slanted toward
success against better pitching if I could. I’d probably even accept a slightly lower Whoa Ba to achieve that.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
You don't know that
Anything to back up the theory that good pitchers are hurt more by sluggers than good OBA teams?
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I think theoretically if you look at just the stats
Sure, there are multiple ways to get runs. But I think there is something to be said for a team psyche that having one guy who can tie it up with the 3R HR. It makes it feel less daunting like with our offense how everything has to be piecemeal.
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Or let's put it this way
Is there anyone out there who thinks that an A’s lineup made of 2010 equivalents of Joe Mauer would make that team anything but awesome on offense because of the lack of “quick strike threat” ?
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Oy. Obviously if the OBP is high enough,
or the doubles production high enough, it will completely offset other shortcomings. I also would be willing to try a lineup of 9 Pujols’ even though they wouldn’t steal enough bases.
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But that is not what you guys were saying above, sorry
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Although
By now I have made my point and am only trying to prove you were wrong in yours.
And, as I don’t want to be this guy:

I’ll go back to making my pear-ginger marmalade. Later, guys
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too late.
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I wonder who'd want him....Arizona seems to prefer Balfour....maybe Texas?
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions
goes until 4pm EDT i believe
that would be 5 hours (at time of your post)
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that's right. I'm far away and trying to
adjust everything to the west coast in my posts.
as of right now (the time on my laptop, not the time this post shows up) there are 4 hours and 10 minutes left.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions
You're right
Even if we can afford these guys, if we do shed payroll it does possibly free up more extravagance down the road. Unless, the A’s operate like some companies and governments do, i.e. if you have it in your budget and dont spend it. You don’t get it again in the future.
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Beane made a disparaging comment about the quality of the prospects offered so far
and also said he didn’t want to disrespect Melvin by “strip-mining” the current team.
It's amusing how Melvin's actually attached to players on the current team
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think it's attachment to the current guys so much as
not wanting to give him a team full of rookies if all the veterans are dealt.
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I don't find it comforting that he prefers crappy veterans over rookies
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
It's not that he prefers them
It’s just what’s being offered isn’t even close to being of similar value to the experience that those players provide, terrible play notwithstanding.
I understand and mostly agree.
I’m just saying that’s what makes sense in the context of “respect for the manager”. He’s not talking about what makes most sense for the team’s future. He’s talking about Melvin feeling like he’s managing a AAA club right now.
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cheap ass teams
There I said it. To many of these teams want you to trade a player for some 25th best player you have in the minors and by the way pick up a few million dollars on top of it. Damn them all. These teams are drooling over hitters from a hitters park that are barely over .300. Bourn will be a 250 hitter in Atlanta. The only players I would trade are Feuntes, DeJesus and Weurtz all the rest keep for draft picks since nobody wants to offer anything of quality.
Isn't Willingham the only one who would net draft picks? Who else is there?
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes but Arcman already wanted to trade him
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions
If you mean DeJesus then yes
I just don’t see offering him arbitration and it looks like Sweeney can give you the same numbers. Just doubt you could get very much for DeJesus on the trade market with his down year.
i'd be content
bringing DDJ back next year on a cheap contract. I think he really had a rough season and could bounce back.
It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.
Heck, if he were on any other team I'd want to buy low on him
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Wouldn't Crisp be a Type B?
Or has he not logged enough ABs?
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there are like 5 guys ahead of him for type B status
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by cuppingmaster on Jul 31, 2011 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions
on the fringe
A good second half nets a type B. I thought he had a team option of 6.5 million.
The stats used to calculate Type A/B status do not favor a player of Crisp's profile
He’s a great defender, he doesn’t hit bombs, he doesn’t get RBI…
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But he steals bases
And if he hits for a high enough average he could get into the B range.
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I get Beane's insistence on getting good pieces in return
Especially for Willingham, who has actually had a pretty solid year (OPS+ of 117 isn’t too shabby) and will net whoever trades for him 2 picks as he’ll be a Type A FA. He’s got legit HR power and seems to be a good clubhouse guy. That all combines for a pretty valuable commodity. Same with Crisp (Type B, probably), except switch out HRs for SBs and defense. Same with our relievers. These are all guys that can contribute to a contending team. So…if we don’t get fair offers, no reason to make trades. I thought the return for Harden (seriously, wtf Boston, everybody knows about Harden’s health) was fair – he’ll win you a few important games down the stretch.
This
No reason for Beane to play the “Nice Guy” role and strip the team he pulled together to only receive junk bonds in return.
I also think he’s positioned himself terrifically:
a) I don’t need to shed payroll – i.e. taking salary off my hands does nothing for me, so you better give me human assets
b) I am willing to deal – close to Harden deal that would have brought a good (not terrific) Boston prospect who is now blocked. Give me something real and you can have my players.
c) All your competitors have upgraded: Jimenez, Pence, Bourn, Furcal, Beltran, E.Jackson + Rasmus, D.Lee, O.Cabrera, etc. TIME IS ON BEANE’S SIDE, NOT YOURS
Make me an offer I can’t refuse.
It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Beane's sticking to that though
10:58am: The Red Sox tried to remove the player to be named later from the deal and just send Anderson after looking at Harden’s medicals, and were rebuffed by the A’s, tweets Sean McAdam.
It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.
Crap, seriously?
Harden for L. Anderson is a perfectly good deal for the A’s.
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I think I'm with you on that
Just wonder if Beane had pulled a F-ing A trade, and boston figured it out and tried to pull back.
It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.
i dunno
anderson isn’t anything special anymore. granted, harden has his track record of falling apart…but i think he’ll give you at least a few more good starts this year. and…lars hasn’t even OPS’d .800 the past 2 seasons.
by guy incognito on Jul 31, 2011 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Anderson has a 116 WRC+ as a 23 year old in AAA.
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Is that good?
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
It would be cool if my car broke down and Lars Anderson showed up to tow it to the nearest service station
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
And couldn't get to you because he was blocked by Adrian Gonzalez.
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well played
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Not really
Unless Lars Anderson undergoes a radical change in his game you’re looking at a platoon 1B at best. It would be better to try and swap Harden for a younger player farther down on the farm.
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Maybe, but we're down to the wire for that now
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm sort of a get what you can get for Harden type
I mean for all we know he has 1 inning left in him.
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If another deal is possible
If L. Anderson can become an excellent platoon 1Bman (and I agree with you, that’s his future if he has one), and it’s that or stand pat, I make that deal.
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Then you're just making a deal to make a deal
It’s a move with no upside.
Better to cross your fingers and hope to pull off something decent on the waiver wire.
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Not if you think L. Anderson can be an excellent platoon player
at the big league level, excelling against 3/4 of the pitchers. That’s a good player at a position of need and he’s major league ready. If you think he’s just a failed prospect, then yes – and perhaps that’s what he is.
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I'm not betting on excellent
Better to play Barton or Carter next season.
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I agree with your points
But, if we could dump an oft injured guy on Boston for a couple months for a guy who has potential then why not. Plus Rich said it himself, he likes Oakland and we could very likely re-sign him after this year and have a 1B in place. Who else do we really have to play 1st next year? Carter (DH), Barton (Likely DL) Jackson (gone).
Barton should be ready next season
Anderson doesn’t buy the A’s anything. He’ll compete with Barton and Carter next season and take up a spot on the 40 man roster.
I’m all for trading him to Boston for a guy with potential. But the target should be someone lower in Boston’s farm system. Go after someone a year or two away from needing to be on the 40 man.
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agreed
if they’re only going to give us one player, let it be one that might have a better shot of contributing. anderson isn’t even among their top 20 prospects anymore.
by guy incognito on Jul 31, 2011 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Anderson is among Boston's Top 20 prospects
After 2008, he was a Top 20 prospect in all the minors.
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i saw several boston boards saying he was maybe their 22nd best prospect
yeah, i know he was one of the game’s top prospects a few years back.
by guy incognito on Jul 31, 2011 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Shit
Have you seen the prospect lists THIS site has come up with?!?!
I tend to stick to the (relatively) unbiased sources like BP, BA and Sickels.
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ha
fair point. sickels had him at the lower end of their top 20, and as a possible platoon hitter, right? that’s not terrible…but it’s not all that good.
by guy incognito on Jul 31, 2011 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions
nobody's buying the anderson hype anymore, either
they couldn’t throw him into the adrian gonzalez deal no matter how hard they tried. everybody knows he’s blocked, and everybody can see he’s either stalled as a hitter or was just massively overhyped (like all boston/ny prospects). i’m not saying he can’t turn it around elsewhere…but that’s not something that should be factored as a high probability in calculating what anderson will end up being as a player. right now, i’d agree, he’s (at best) a serviceable platoon hitter. that’s not all that good.
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by MissOakland on Jul 31, 2011 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
dum dum dum dum dum
this is exactly what i suspected
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Good for Beane.
There’s something to be said for walking away and not letting yourself get bargained down at the last minute. Everyone knows Harden is an injury risk, and if the medical exam just showed that and nothing actually new, it sounds to me like Theo is just trying to use it as an excuse to dink down the price on last time figuring Beane will give in rather than lose the trade altogether. If they had already agreed on a price, Beane is right to stick up for it.
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Congrats on landing the Sunday gig
Please take this as its meant to be: constructive criticism.
Using Wiki for a scouting report is asking to be lied to. Even worse, you’re using a comment made back prior to the 2009 season.
Tall slugger with a great hitter’s frame, excellent present power, and an elite power ceiling
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Well, he’s still tall but the present power is currently holding at 10 HR for the 2011 season. His career high is 18 HR, hit back in 2008. He also had 32 doubles and a triple that season. After 2008 Lars Anderson was (depending on the pundit) one of the Top 20 prospects in all of baseball.
He hasn’t developed as expected. Anderson’s stock has dropped considerably since 2008; he’s gone from being one of the best prospects in baseball to the back-end of Boston’s Top 10 list. He’s strong but he never developed the lift in his swing to hit for big power. LHP owns him, so much so that he’s probably destined to be a platoon player.
So Anderson was fair value in a Harden deal but he was nowhere near the caliber of prospect you’re making him out to be.
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absolutely
Anderson a few years back would have been a steal for Harden. Not so much these days. It was a fair deal, considering Harden’s injury history…because it’s not clear that Lars Anderson will amount to anything in the bigs. Harden will at least give you a few more good starts this year.
by guy incognito on Jul 31, 2011 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Boston fans thought so
They think Anderson is a throw away prospect so looks like it was just a push when it comes to a trade.
The key thing here is...
Wiki scouting reports aren’t reliable.
And to check when ANY scouting report you quote from was posted. Scouting reports tend to change over time.
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No worries
Turns out the original source of that was a Red Sox blog actually, when I relooked at the site a little later they were quoting it. But that is a good fair point. Thank you for the constructive criticism. I am all game!
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his progress has slowed
just glanced at his fangraphs stats. no big power surge, and past two years he’s been hitting around .260 in AA & AAA. He has hit a wall he himself created.
It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.
There still may be hope for this
@Sean_McAdam
Sean McAdam
After getting a look at Harden’s medicals, #RedSox tried to restructure deal with only Anderson going to A’s (no PTBN) and were rebuffed
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions
I think the A's should take that deal.
An oft-injured pitcher signed only through 2011 for a once-heralded prospect who has stalled and disappointed for 2 years.
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Anderson was over-hyped from the start
And he hasn’t stalled so much as shown an inability to adapt. He can’t hit lefty pitching and he’s never been able to add loft to his swing, short-circuiting his power potential. He’s not gifted with the glove at 1B.
Basically, he’d steal at bats from Carter, whom I think has much greater impact potential.
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You're right that he's an overhyped project.
But that’s the best you’ll get for Harden, and it’s better to get SOMEONE with potential then to let Harden walk and get no one.
What we really need to do, is to move one of Matsui/Willingham/DeJesus/Coco. Trade one of them and there will be enough at bats for everyone.
by Mr. Clean Sweep on Jul 31, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
unless there's another suitor for Harden, or a chance to get a PTBNL thrown in at 12:59 if the A's FO plays the waiting game
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 31, 2011 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I favor the waiting game.
Boston needs this more than Oakland does. I think this is a game of brinksmanship where Theo wanted to nickel-and-dime Billy. Screw that.
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There is no way the BoSox didn't know about Harden's history
I wonder if this is more about hardball negotiating tactics then their fears over his history.
Harden will not be a ranked free agent, so when he walks at the end of the year the A’s wont get compensated for him. It makes sense for the A’s to trade him now, even if you only get Lars Anderson.
If the A’s are pulling out of a trade over a PTNL then it is more likely from their disgust over the BoSox trying to change the deal’s terms at the last second then the return they are getting.
by Mr. Clean Sweep on Jul 31, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
I think there may be a misconception in how much I value him
I think he could’ve been a useful piece, I don’t think it is like we were acquiring “the solution” by any means. I thought the trade would’ve been fair on both sides. That said, love the tag, the Monster at the End of This Book had me riveted as a kid – one of the greatest books ever written.
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I don't have an issue with how you value Anderson
I take issue with using outdated information from biased sources. You completely misrepresented what kind of prospect Lars Anderson currently is.
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That's fair.
Not my intention of course.
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Didn't think it was
Which is why I offered constructive criticism… instead of just calling you an idiot. =D
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The Bourne Disappointment
So much for getting him over the offseason. He would have been perfect.
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did Atlanta fleece Houston?
feels like it, but you guys know more than I.
Reminds me of the Rasmus dump. another opportunity lost.
It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.
Bourn
Take him out of a hitter park and he is no better than Crisp with less power. He is more Juan Pierre 2.
Think you're harsh on Bourn
Crisp with less power? Agreed.
He’s also younger and healthier.
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A lot better defensively, no?
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Better than Pierre? Yes.
Comparable to Crisp in the field, with a bit stronger arm.
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FWIW, UZR has Bourn at about a +7 Average over the past 4 years and Crisp a +2
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions
All right all. I'm going to try to get some sleep before the game.
Once again, great stuff, dwishinsky. If you have any more ideas extremely early in the morning, put them up. I’m more than likely to be awake anyway.
by player20 on Jul 31, 2011 9:00 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Where are you? Fiji?
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions
I work at night. I'm in Oakland. Most of my non-game posts I do from work.
by player20 on Jul 31, 2011 9:05 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Ah
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Offensive wise
Same type of numbers. Bourn is much better defensively but Pierre in his younger days was good.
Harden Red-Flagged By Dr. Andrews
In today’s Boston Globe:
“Harden has always had major flaws in his delivery. When he was tested early in his career at Dr. James Andrews’s clinic, there were several red flags for future injury problems.”
Did anyone see anything like this claim in a Bay Area sports story on Harden or the A’s? One is left to wonder if there’s so little competition between area newspapers that no one would risk BB’s anger by printing it.
Even if this is true, it sounds like an attempt by the Globe to justify cancelling the trade
or even to depress Harden’s value more. It’s not like the Red Sox wouldn’t have known about this before doing the deal.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions
The key words are "early in his career"
So some time around 2003 or 2004, Dr Andrews took a look and said “Hey, this guy is likely to get injured a lot.” And wow, guess what? He did get injured a lot! What, Boston didn’t notice that?
I have no love for the Bay Area press, but there’s nothing to blame them for here. They didn’t print this because it’s not a story.
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It seems revisionist history to me
I never heard about it when he was early in his career. Maybe it was never public knowledge, but how often is Andrews right about guys who haven’t been injured yet behind closed doors?
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
Maybe it wasn't public knowledge, but
it’s predicting something that became public knowledge when it actually happened.
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Sure
If it was more than speculation like: he throws a ball hard and is kinda short, he could get an injury. Obviously, that’s hyperbole but I think you would have a high success rate if you predicted injury on every pitcher.
It sounds like Andrews has a check list of red flags. How many possible flags are there? How many does a normal pitcher have? How predictive are these flags?
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more on why the Harden trade fell through
@Sean_McAdam: After getting a look at Harden’s medicals, RedSox tried to restructure w/only Lars going to A’s (no PTBN) & were rebuffed"
this may imply that the PTBNL was not an insignificant player. Anderson may have been the throw-in from the A’s perspective.
If that's true
Good on Beane. Pushing for the best deal possible and not giving anything away!
It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.
by the way
I wonder if the Sox feel new pressure now that the Yanks are looking to pick up Wandy
It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.
yeah, no thanks boston
we all know about harden’s history. but…lars anderson is blocked and he’s not even a really good prospect anymore. so…i’m not willing to trade a good pitcher when healthy (which he is right now) for a guy who may not even make it to the bigs.
by guy incognito on Jul 31, 2011 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions
here's another theory on the Harden trade collapse
@joelsherman1: #Redsox found issues beyond elbow/back w/Harden, asked #A’s for contingency deal based on how much pitched.
Issues beyond his back?
He has a tail?
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Duh,
he’s Canadian.
That rug really tied the room together...
by Streams Of Whiskey on Jul 31, 2011 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions
One day he is going to stand on the mound
and his head will roll of his shoulders halfway down the line in front of Sizemore…
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they probably found this recent photo
and decided that dwish could be right

It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.
he has shoulder issues, and has had them for years
I doubt it would be a surprise to the Sux, especially with Curt Young there.
I suspect that they had second thoughts about giving up the PTBNL. Also maybe another possibility came up
The weasels!
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd actually be OK with a contingency deal, but I'd want a higher upside than the original deal in that case
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Don't Think The A's Will Make A Trade
I did find this deal interesting. Considering the fact that Boston lost out on the Jimenez sweepstakes, I figured they would go for Rich. Anderson looks like a promising prospect, but has a huge roadblock in Adrian Gonzalez. He would have probably been our first baseman, because CoJack cannot stay there.
I really hope Beane is just hoping Epstein will get desperate
and put the PTBNL back in the deal or another team offers up something good for Harden…and if that doesn’t happen, he calls Epstein at the last minute and accepts just Anderson.
*Insert something witty here*. Oh, and Stanfurd Sucks.
He can try that, but he has to hope that Epstein hasn't made another deal in the meantime
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions
let em sweat
We have plenty of average players already
It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.
OUT AND GET US SOME HITTERS!
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by dwishinsky on Jul 31, 2011 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
a year or two? Good enough for me.
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 31, 2011 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
http://twitter.com/#!/TBritton_Projo
Lars Anderson is in the PawSox clubhouse and lineup. “Probably got a little ahead of myself daydreaming,” he said re: trade.
Proof that playing in Oakland is still better than playing in the minors?
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by grover on Jul 31, 2011 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yay!
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
He is from this area
Would have been his dream to play here.
Yes. Proof that it's better to make $400k annual than $60k. :)
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by notsellingjeans on Jul 31, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Aw :(
Someday her tombstone will read,
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by MissOakland on Jul 31, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
He likes us!
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That makes me like them and then be sad we didn't get them.
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you gotta get your baseball heartbreak under control
you’re in for a long ride
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He'll be like Durazo, Bocachica, Nady, etc.
We’ll get him eventually. (Oh wait, we never did get Nady, did we?)
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Buster_ESPN
Dbacks talking Ziegler with Oakland. Trades#
Balfour to high of a cost
So down a notch for another reliever.
Come on D Backs
you know Fuentes and Wuertz are who you want. We will trade you both for your pool in right center
We'd Need To Throw In A BTBNL
to get the pool…
susanslusser
#SFGiants looking for leadoff man and the #Athletics have one available – but only for a very good return.
He's been on Jenny Craig
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Lots Of GMs Will Want A Belt
of an adult beverage after the trading deadline ends…
why not a fine muscatel?
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 31, 2011 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
They'll probably try to package Tejada
as if we would go for that.
I just can't think of why Beane would not accept Anderson
for Harden straight up
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why it hinged on PTBNL
gotta get someone who can still surprise down the line
It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.
I wouldn't call a 23 year old in AAA who is a couple years removed
from being a top 20 prospect, a AAAA player…
*Insert something witty here*. Oh, and Stanfurd Sucks.
Grover walked us through
Lars is probably a platoon player at best
It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.
Ben Grieve Should Have Been
but hindsight is always 20-20.
look at his numbers in AAA.
They are mediocre.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Because Lars Anderson has almost no chance of making the A's good in the future.
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You think he's that hopeless?
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Not hopeless
Just not an impact player. He steals at bats from Barton, who has shown some ability in the past. He steals at bats from Carter, who still has a chance to be a major impact bat.
Lars Anderson currently profiles as a lesser Daric Barton, because of his struggles vs. LHP. He has less upside than Chris Carter. Team him up with Conor Jackson and the platoon could get you by, but you’d always be looking for something better.
And since the A’s already have two options for “something better” in the organization… why add the fill-in? Flip Harden for someone with higher upside in the low minors.
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So at best he's insurance against a Barton injury or Carter bust?
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Well... "at best" is probably pushing it
At best he breaks out and starts hitting for more power, even in a platoon role.
I think “most likely” is that he’s a poor man’s Barton.
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Even if he isn't, I'm with you now on the basis that
at best Lars would be a “pretty good player” and the problem the A’s have is that they keep blocking positions with guys who figure to be “pretty good” (Barton, DeJesus, Sizemore if he succeeds, Suzuki if he rebounds, etc.).
The A’s need a really good player or two somewhere, and L. Anderson would just block another position where you might get it. Better to get a lower-level prospect who might be great and might bust than to get yet another Sizemore at a different position.
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My bet
Beane will sign Anderson in the off season when he is dropped from the 40 man.
I could totally see that.
And then we DFA him in April. Then some other teams picks him up in waivers. Then two weeks later that other team DFA’s him again, he clears waivers and gets traded back to Oakland for cash considerations, and he ends up playing in Sacramento.
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neither does rich harden
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Why isn't Brandon McCarthy getting interest?
I would think he could fetch much more than Harden.
It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.
Seems like red sox were playing games
Got this from scout.com gammons talking on mlb channel
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=304&f=2062&t=7723213&p=6
Gammons on MLBN deadline special said that BOS was willing to deal for Harden but it was the A’s who rejected the offer. The original deal was Harden to BOS for Anderson and what he described as a pretty good A pitching prospect.
But after seeing the medical issues, they gave the A’s a scenario where they would’ve still dealt Anderson for Harden but the condition was that if Harden did make thru the remainder of the season without getting hurt they would’ve added that A ball arm eventually in the deal down the road. If Harden did get injured, they would just get Anderson.
If I were Beane I would have rejected this too. I'd want a scenario where I got a better prospect
if Harden made it though the season in a contingency deal than in the original deal
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
Fuck Boston. If you want Harden, you get him with the injury risk, no fallback.
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Just deal Harden for the "pretty good" A ball arm!
Maybe throw in an OK A-ball position prospect as well.
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I hope chairs were thrown
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I hope Youkilis is involved
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Selfishly I want to keep him
But realistically if someone wants him enough to initiate a trade, and if he can help that team, it may be best for him.
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Ziegler deal likely
Colin Cowgill i’d take, he’s blocked there with upton, young
Harden
If we could get anything for Rich Harden, even a pack of chewing gum, it would be a good deal. Harden isn’t so much healthy right now as he is between long stays on the DL.
I'm not sure whether this is sarcasm
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
should be worth a lot
for a groundball pitcher. hopefully for a good OF prospect
It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.
I don't know, I don't think his value is all that high.
He’s still only a reliever who has a huge platoon split.
Yes, but he's been really good since he came to the majors
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
No report yet on who the A's get
by OaklandSi on Jul 31, 2011 10:00 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
so helpful!
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Hee
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Why are you such an asshole?
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by theblackpearl on Jul 31, 2011 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
I think Henry is better off with a team that isn't obsessive about avoiding walks
and isn’t afraid to make him a starter….maybe the Giants or Blue Jays….or Nats
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
I hate this trade deadline.
Bring back Hammer.
by OaktownPower on Jul 31, 2011 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
C'mon Pirates, Reds
You know you want an outfielder!
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dwish, it's great to have you on the front page. Looking forward to seeing more of your posts, brother.
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by notsellingjeans on Jul 31, 2011 10:03 AM PDT reply actions
I hope you start posting more too NSJ.
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I hope that too
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
that's nice of you to say mike, thank you.
Too busy working on the tee with the little guy in my avatar.
The plan is for Mrs. Jeans and I to move to the Dominican Republic and auction him off to the highest bidder after his sixteenth birthday. Screw this American amateur draft slot system crap.
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by notsellingjeans on Jul 31, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I hope you are making a lefty out of him
Also, 21 is Dominican 16
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he will hit lefty for sure.
I’m not sure you can make a kid throw from a particular side. Becoming a father for the first time, I’ve definitely noticed that they are predisposed to throw with one or the other.
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by notsellingjeans on Jul 31, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Hitting, as well. It's easier to teach hitting from the 'off' side though.
I’m lucky. My 5 year old naturally throws righty and hits lefty.
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Well, my 20-month old is a "chopper," so it's unclear what side of the plate he hits from.
As in, he uses one hand on the whiffle bat and tomahawks downward at the ball. I have explained to him several times that this approach won’t fly when he starts facing gas. But he’s stubborn.
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by notsellingjeans on Jul 31, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
You need to stand him up there and start firing brushback heat at him.
Tough love!
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lol
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by notsellingjeans on Jul 31, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
My nephew did that, too.
He also wanted to throw facing forward as well. He had a good arm at a young age but the stance was holding him back. I remember when I first got him to understand the concept of standing sideways and using his legs. He was maybe about four years old at the time. He winged a snowball about 50 feet and hit a woman walking by (not very hard). It was awesome.
Alas, he has since plateaued. At two he was a prodigy. At seven now he’s just average for his age.
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maybe he's stalled and simply needs fresh scenery.
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by notsellingjeans on Jul 31, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Naah, it's a character thing.
He just isn’t interested in baseball.
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you know… trades are kinda sexy when they don’t come through. first we couldn’t lose harden, now i bet we’re gonna reverse cowgill.
by AV on Jul 31, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
In German (and French, too)
what we call cowgirl they call valkyrie. I love that.
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Somebody must still need an OF
@TBrownYahoo
Tim Brown
Cleveland getting close on deal for Ludwick. Deal not complete yet, according to source.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 10:05 AM PDT reply actions
He seems perfect for them....exactly their kind of guy
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Because he sucks at baseball?
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#Dbacks acquire Brad Ziegler for Jordan Norberto and Brandon Allen.
per Steve Gilbert
Bring back Hammer.
you don't have to run.
it’s on the interweb.
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Are they good?
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by EddieVegas_NRAF on Jul 31, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
but it really happened though.
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by notsellingjeans on Jul 31, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Isn't Reno a launching pad though?
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
145 wRC+
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But that's not park-adjusted
Cody Ransom had a 157 wRC+
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes it is. Park and league.
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If you got it from Fangraphs, it's not
As you may have noticed, there’s now an extra column in the "Advanced" section for batting stats called "wRC+". You can think of this stat as a wOBA based version of OPS+. It’s park and league adjusted and it’s on a very similar scale as OPS+. The difference is that it uses wRC, which is based on wOBA.
For those of you not familiar with the scale, 100 is average. Anything higher is above average and anything below 100 is below average.
Big thanks goes out to Tangotiger for pointing out how easy it was to implement this particular stat. It’s now available in all the player pages for major league and minor league players going all the way back to 1871. Please note that it is not park adjusted for minor league stats, but it is league adjusted.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
fuck the heck
i’m an idiot
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True
But that doesn’t explain why you missed the note about the lack of park adjustment.
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big words. lack of caffeine.
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It was tricky of them to do it for major leaguers and not minor leaguers
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
It is
Pretty heavy home/road splits this year:
http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=1B&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=450315
But the road splits are still good, at least. They just pale in comparison to what he did in Reno.
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If we got Allen I guess we're not getting Anderson
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
I have no idea.
But why do you think the A’s are going to play him in the OF? It’s kind of crowded at the moment.
With Taylor, Miller and Sweeney?
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Ah
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Brandon Allen is a nice pickup
Now it really looks like, if there was any question, that Harden-Anderson deal is dead.
*Insert something witty here*. Oh, and Stanfurd Sucks.
Allen?
No way! You are joking right!?
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 31, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
That kid is a BEAST!
We got him for Ziggy?! Great trade
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 31, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Sickels on Allen before the 2010 season
3) Brandon Allen, 1B, Grade B-: I like the guy, but he was probably overhyped this summer. I see him more as a productive slugger than a future All-Star. This is the same grade I gave him last year.
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2010/1/1/1229943/arizona-diamondbacks-top-20
But, um, a quick look at his fangraphs page: http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=7436&position=1B
Dude seems to hit the shit out of the bal.
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Barton and Carter feels the heat
Allen looks solid numbers even though the home runs are more from playing in Reno. Lars Anderson is no more needed.
I've watched a few DBack games this year
I still can’t believe we landed Brandon Allen. He is like Chris Carter, but more agile and swift on his feet, with a smoother swing. I was watching the game where he MASHED his first MLB career HR…I think he is struggling so far this season, but he has only been up for a while — like 10 games played I think. He better be starting at 1B now the rest of the way for Oakland. Get Carter up at DH, and Taylor at OF. And who knows, we could be seeing a nice foundation here with Sizemore, Jemile, Allen, Carter and Taylor. Or at least 2 of the 5.
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 31, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Brandon Allen -- mind you I've only watched 2 of his games, so about 8 ABS
Had a BEAUTIFUL swing in those 2 games I watched
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 31, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Um.
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Yes, since it's really hard to hit it over the foul pole this rarely comes up
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, Holy Crap
I like.
Platoon w/ Carter at 1B.
by Colorado Fan on Jul 31, 2011 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Damn!
Watch out, Trogdor. There’s a new burninator in town.
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if the a's bring up taylor, carter and allen, nobody will challenge us to a brawl.
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Can you imagine Keebler getting in an argument,
and suddenly, those three walking up behind him? Talk about intimidation!
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.....do the A's ever get in brawls?
Don’t we usually just turn the other cheek? “Thanks for hitting me with a fastball. Please can I have another?”
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Well, except when Tim Hudson was on the mound.
But I think he was before your time.
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I think the A's organizational philosophy generally
is very Matthew 5:39, but Timmy was an exception. He was always “bring it on, bitch” and wasn’t afraid to throw at people.
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Best Tim Hudson quote:
“Welcome to ME, motherfucker!”
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
when did Huddy say that?
I’d love to know the story.
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by notsellingjeans on Jul 31, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
About brushing back Vlad when he first came to the AL, he was asked if it was a "Welcome to the AL" and he was all "no, it was an accident, I swear [fingers crossed]"
The story’s in ‘Aces’.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
I remember a game where Huddy turned over a 3+ run lead to Jim Macier.
Jim blew the lead, and then held on to win the game. I thought Tim was going to go ballistic on him. That was the year that the bullpen blew about 10+ games that Hudson handed over with the lead.
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I think Foulke must have hated Huddy.
He always managed to blow saves only when Huddy had started the game.
by whiteshoes40 on Jul 31, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
At the time, I figured Huddy should have won 20+ games that year.
i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72
I totally believe it, there is no other explanation. Foulke only blew Huddy's saves. ONLY. And that is why I hate him.
I will be bitter til the day I die that Foulke single-handedly kept him out of hte ’04 ASG. WE COULD HAVE HAD ALL THREE OF THE BIG THREE THERE. WHY GOD WHYYYY.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
Seriously. Picture how adorable all three of them + Ramon in that dugout would have been.
PICTURE IT.
Mulder and Zito must have been lonely without their better third. D:
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
I ♥ ♥ ♥
Huddy
Randy Jackson: "Did you eat a lot of paint chips when you were young?"
Idol Contestant: [Nods]
Wasn't it '03?
And yes. I hate Foulke mostly because of his defection to the Team That Shall Not Be Named, but also because of his anti-Huddy actions. Bad Foulke. Bad.
by whiteshoes40 on Jul 31, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Speaking of that team,
isn’t that the same year Huddy went bar-hopping the night before his ALDS start?
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so badass that he managed to pitch ONE INNING in his playoff start
after that
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Truth.
Badass is a fickle mistress. Sometimes it’s good for you, sometimes it’s bad.
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I think all A's pitchers should punch out a Sox fan the night before a start.
It would make me happy
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
Yeah, '03, my bad. D:
Foulke was just a doucheface.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
We call that being Timmy'ed in my house.
Randy Jackson: "Did you eat a lot of paint chips when you were young?"
Idol Contestant: [Nods]
That was an outstanding read, thank you
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by notsellingjeans on Jul 31, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
And when Kendall would do his annual 'randomly rush the pitcher'.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
Ecch, Kendall.
Yes, you’re right, but I only choose to remember A’s players that I liked.
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And the ... uh ... the ...
I guess that’s all.
I don't feel that I'm feeling your feelings, about these feelings that you feel.
No, there was this one loop single to the right
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The Kendall Shift
Defenses played a very unique shift against him. Do you remember how shallow the RF played?
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by notsellingjeans on Jul 31, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
And still, he would find that gritty, uncovered square inch of free landing space every other game
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lol
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by notsellingjeans on Jul 31, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Meh
Gonna miss him pitching for the A’s, but there’s a team out there that wanted him and he’d be going to someone in contention for the division. Hard to dislike that.
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Plus, he can help the DBacks
beat out the Giants!
*Insert something witty here*. Oh, and Stanfurd Sucks.
Norberto is a lefty who can hit 95
Sits in the low-90’s. Throws in the general direction of home plate.
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FDLS mirror image?
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So he's David Purcey?
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
So, you're saying that Fautino throws in general direction of second base?
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such a GREAT return for ziggy
seriously, im ecstatic. Allen has his K problems and has holes in his swing, but he at least deserves a chance and the D-backs were unwilling to give him one. juan miranda is too good to pass up, i guess.
he should be our starting first baseman for the remainder of the year
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YOU KEEP SAYING THAT, DAN
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Ok, nice work with that Ziggy trade
Keep it up, Beane. Still got some time! I want to see a lineup with Taylor, Allen, and Carter playing every day!
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Weeks, Allen, Taylor, Carter
Notice a trend…monte poole would be pleased based on his accusations several yrs ago
by J.J. Miller on Jul 31, 2011 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
He's implying something about Monte Poole,
and he’s right. Monte beats that drum all the time.
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Welcome to Sunday, dwish!
Don't let your alligator mouth bite off more than your humminbird butt can back up. Dr. Phil.
The trade deadline has been more exciting than most of the season
Sell Billy, sell.
Sell, Sell Sell!!!!
"9 Larses!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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My bet a outfielder is still going but who?
DeJesus or Crisp?
So, has this Brandon Allen trade really been confirmed?!
I’m pumped, but skeptical
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 31, 2011 10:17 AM PDT reply actions
About 10 different sources on Twitter have it confirmed
And some directly from D-Backs, Id say its pretty well done.
Bring back Hammer.
by OaktownPower on Jul 31, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
HELL YES!!
Great trade! I love when we trade with the DBACKS!
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 31, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
From SuSlu:
susanslusser Susan Slusser
LHP Roberto and 1B Allen for Ziegler. #Athletics asked several times on Cowgill, no go, I’m told.
Really? Isn't Cowgill an equal hitter but real OF?
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't say an equal hitter
He is having a very good year this year, for sure, but it feels somewhat flukey when you compare it to his previous years. Allen has been consistently great in the minors.
*Insert something witty here*. Oh, and Stanfurd Sucks.
Hmmmm....true
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
lot of people think he's a 4th OFer
they’re probably right. reno inflates a lot of guys numbers
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http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
I'd rather have Allen!
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 31, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Is anyone else excited to update their MLB The Show '11 rosters??
Can’t wait!
Jim McLennan is right!
Rockies looking to trade Ian Stewart, per Renck
Interesting…
*Insert something witty here*. Oh, and Stanfurd Sucks.
Kouz!
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Damn
Apparently talks are with another NL team though
*Insert something witty here*. Oh, and Stanfurd Sucks.
Just realized:
Ziggy’s probably going to need more than two bats now.
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If they only use him for a one or two batter,pitcher, he still won't bat much
by theblackpearl on Jul 31, 2011 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Right, but there will be more of a chance if there are long extra-inning games, weird situations, etc.
More than the 9 no-DH games AL teams play.
But it’s more of a joke, anyway. Technically he didn’t really even need the bats this year, but the team got them.
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HAHAHAHAH GUYS THE GIANTS GOT ORLANDO CABRERA
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And batting 6th.
Amazing.
Jim McLennan is right!
by Coach Cleats on Jul 31, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
IDK WHY IT MAKES ME LAFF!!!!11one!
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for your amusement
he made his first error in the 3rd.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
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by natteringnabob on Jul 31, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I love him as a Gnat
Especially since he will make them worse.
I don't feel that I'm feeling your feelings, about these feelings that you feel.
Agreed. I really liked him
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
this is true....and makes me happy!
Randy Jackson: "Did you eat a lot of paint chips when you were young?"
Idol Contestant: [Nods]
Oh great Ziggy's still with the team
Waiting on medicals….is this some new MLB sanction that deadline trades must be finalized mid-game so they can show the players getting hugged by their ex-teammates?
So if he fails the physical, he'll get welcome hugs?
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Irony: When the traded player injures himself giving the dugout hugs and fails the physical as a result
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price on #rangers fallback relief choice andrew bailey is very high, and they are protective of prospects. #bell
God I hope they get antsy and give us 2 or 3 of those prospects for Bailey and even Balfour.
Praying we get to suckle from that teet of a farm system.
Profar. Profar. Profar. Profar. Profar.
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I'll say it again: If I'm Beane I hold out for Profar
If that means “no deal” then fine. I want Bailey. Or Profar.
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I'd be thrilled with Erlin, but of course would prefer Profar or Perez
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
LOVE getting Allen!
Note that in his recent cups of coffee in the bigs, even when he hasn’t hit overall he has walked and HRed. (This year’s slash line in 35 PAs was .172/.351/483, and last year’s in 55 PAs was .267/.393/.400). Want!!!!
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Way better!
BRANDON ALLEN WILL SAVE THIS FRANCHISE!!!!!!!
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If harden deal went through
maybe they couldve focused on getting different position prospects for ziegler
by J.J. Miller on Jul 31, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Andreson's pretty good on high pitch arias, though
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Marian?
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
much better
im so freaking stoked
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
Look at the video I posted up above
I really, really like that swing. It’s fairly quick and his follow through kinda reminds me of Chase Utley’s, he doesn’t loop the bat way around himself on his finish.
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Yes and he obliterated that ball
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah...that too
the dude can definitely crush the ball
by guy incognito on Jul 31, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
if a guy can dream
3 HR in 35 PA = 47 HR in 550 PA
It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.
HELL YES!
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 31, 2011 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Beane's new MO
target high upside AAA players who got off on wrong foot on initial major league time – see Sizemore. Learning from Pena and Gonzalez?
Here is a quick write-up on Brandon Allen via SB Nation
The A’s, meanwhile, receive Brandon Allen and Jordan Norberto in return. And that makes this a somewhat interesting deal. Allen is 25 years old, and he owns a .730 OPS in the majors. He’s a first baseman who hasn’t hit much at the highest level. However, here’s what Allen has done in triple-A:
.287/.406/.554
That’s over nearly 1,100 plate appearances since 2009. Reno’s a hitter-friendly environment, to be sure, so Allen’s numbers are inflated, but he’s shown that he can draw a walk and hit home runs, so the A’s will give him an opportunity to translate those numbers to the bigs.
Norberto, meanwhile, is a 24-year-old lefty reliever who’s been pitching with Reno. He’s generated 54 strikeouts and 26 walks in 48-2/3 innings, and he can get his fastball into the mid-90s with some consistency. He’s missed bats at every level and might have a future – soon – in a major league bullpen.
-Jeff Sullivan
And a 2009 Baseball America Article published in SI where I first remember reading about Brandon Allen — I know, I know, this is 3 years old, but still….
It’s worth remembering that one bad year does not mean a player is no longer a prospect. There are few better examples of that than the No. 1 player on this list, Brandon Allen. Back in 2006 Allen hit .213/.257/.380 for low Class A Kannapolis. As a first baseman whose best position may be as a DH, that would seem to be a death sentence. Instead, here he is, three years later, on the cusp of the big leagues.
1) Brandon Allen, 1B, Diamondbacks
Team: Triple-A Reno (Pacific Coast)
Age: 23
Why He’s Here: .385/.500/1.000 (10-for-26), 5 HR, 1 2B, 10 RBIs, 8 R, 6 BB, 3 SO, 3-for-3 SB
The Scoop: Making a positive first impression on a new employer is always important. No need to tell that to Allen, though, as the Diamondbacks’ newly acquired first baseman smacked five home runs on the week.
Allen needed time to adjust to pro ball after the White Sox made him a fifth-round pick in 2004, but he broke out last year, hitting 29 home runs between high Class A and Double-A, and he has continued that trend into 2009. Allen is up to 15 home runs for the season, having hit eight before being traded and seven already in 12 games with Reno. He hit three homers in four games against Sacramento, one of the PCL’s better pitching staffs, then homered in back-to-back games against Portland, including a two-homer game on Wednesday.
Allen’s hit tool has been coming around as well. A .256 lifetime hitter coming into the season, he’s hitting .296 in 338 at-bats between stops at Double-A and Triple-A this year. He has registered hits in 11 of his 12 games since joining the Aces, and his strikeout rate has fallen markedly, as he has fanned only 65 times in 88 games this year, down from his career rate of more than a strikeout per game entering the year.
- http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/more/07/28/hot.prospects/index.html#ixzz1ThnZxZvh
And of course my review, by Ryan M:
“I saw Brandon Allen play twice this year, and the kid has power coupled with a smooth swing and has an athletic nature about his game. Love his potential!”
-Me
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 31, 2011 10:38 AM PDT reply actions
wow...what happened with my post here!? Block quote FAILS everywhere
I apologize. The first write up should all be one quote, via Jeff Sullivan at SB Nation. The second was via a Baseball America Article that was published in Sports Illustrated. Sorry about that!
Welcome Brandon Allen!
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 31, 2011 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
When you comment with a lot of blockquotes
it’s important to preview before posting. It’s easy to accidentally enclose the texts wrong.
The green box will go around any text that’s after <blockquote> and before the next </blockquote>. If you click the button with nothing selected, there will be nothing between them. If you click it with other blockquotes codes in your selection, they can end up nesting peculiarly.
The important thing is to remember to preview.
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As it happens, I do have a couple pics of the guys we got
Just go here: http://lastoftheninth.com/coppermine/search.php
Norberto gave up the walkoff to Kouz last weekend.
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love it!
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 31, 2011 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
We got something worse than Kouz: Someone Kouz can hit!!!!!
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Clearly this kid isn't able to throw a slider in the dirt.
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I would love to see this lineup tomorrow for the heck of it because we aren't going anywhere right now anyways
2B Weeks
SS Pennington
3B Sizemore
C Suzuki
Four-guy lineup. Hmm, innovative, I'll give you that
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by elcroata on Jul 31, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Whoops
I deleted hlf the lineup and the bottom jumped to the top. Oh well. Check out Brandon Allen’s opp pop at Petco. http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=17388759
by duballers23 on Jul 31, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Any chance they could off-load Matsui
to an NL team looking for an extra pinch-hitter or whatever? I’d love to see Allen/Carter get the rest of the year at DH
I'd like that
Have them both split DH and 1B and whoever shows they are they better fielder will be at 1B. Taylor needs to be called up and put in RF too.
by duballers23 on Jul 31, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I think Allen will prove to be the better defender though
by duballers23 on Jul 31, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd let him play 1B every day and just friggin DH Carter already
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Yeah
Might as well come to grips that Carter can’t play defense
by duballers23 on Jul 31, 2011 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
He'd BETTER be
Inasmuch as you, I, and my Aunt Bertha are.
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I was thinking the same thing
Matsui is on fire right now…I’m sure SOME team could use him
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I'm still in shcok about us getting Brandon Allen
I was projecting us getting him earlier in the season during my “Dream Trade Proposals,” and there is no way in hell I ever thought we could acquire this talent for just Ziggy (no offense Ziggy, you have been 1 of my favorite A’s of late, but you know what I mean). I guess certain RPs have a price. I’m reminded of last year and the Matt Capps for Prospect Wilson Ramos deal/steal. Dammit Billy, I want to hate you, but I love this trade.
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 31, 2011 10:51 AM PDT reply actions
can you hate him
for not finding a way to get Rasmus?
If you need something to hate right now, that could work. I’m happy w/ Beane’s pickup too.
It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.
Allen seems like a decent return on a reliever, but I'd rather have gotten a lower level guy
with higher upside. I guess that wasn’t available.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Allen was a very good pickup for Ziegler
He has big time power and it’s almost a given that he’ll hit for power and get walks if he plays on a regualr basis. Like you said, I don’t think a lower level guy with more upside was available.
by duballers23 on Jul 31, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Brandon Allen?
Isn’t he the guy who the second deck in right at Chase Field the other day?
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yup.
I posted the video
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sweet, sounds good to me
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by cuppingmaster on Jul 31, 2011 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
So I assume Allen is on his way to........wherever the A's are tomorrow?
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
only if we can move CoJack
I believe he will continue to start till the manager decides otherwise
It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.
Me AND BetterBob.
You forget that I secretly run the team.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
And you throw us off the sent by trading your favourite players?
What a complex web you weave.
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When is the actually deadline today?
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 31, 2011 11:03 AM PDT reply actions
4pm eastern, I believe.
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1PM pacific
Yeah I keep the stickers on my A's hat and don't bend the bill. So what, big whoop, wanna fight about it?
by MudkipzGetHYPHY on Jul 31, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
lets not forget that trades can still happen after the deadline
by bruceXbandit on Jul 31, 2011 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
I predict
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Brian Fuentes will clear waivers
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't want to be a wet blanket
But is getting traded for Tony Pena straight up simply a poor move by the White Sox or is Allen just not that great to begin with? I’m praying its dumbass KW but its a little bit of a flag, isn’t it?
Well he gave us Gio, FDS, and Swingles all for a year of Swisher, so he might be a dumbass.
by duballers23 on Jul 31, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
And that's not even his worst trade involving Swisher!
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by vignette17 on Jul 31, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's not really versatile enough to be a bench guy on an AL club
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah, scouts have never been super high on him
because he does struggle with breaking balls. he just needs a full-time job though really
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He's just another Chris Carter.
But I like Chris Carter.
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Thanks
I know deals come trickling in following the deadline as long as they are approved by MLB before. Anyone expecting more moves from the A’s? If they can continue to get young talent like Allen, I am all in at this point
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 31, 2011 11:06 AM PDT reply actions
So I don't know if Allen will utilize it in the majors
But I was looking through his highlights on this page. All except two of his HRs are no doubters, just amazing to watch. Of the other two, one is an opposite field shot to left center at Petco, a feat in itself. The other is against the Giants.
Dude has pop.
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That's important when considering the A's home park
Guys who hit no-doubters when they hit one will do better than guys who just clear the wall a lot.
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I think that's why they've started acquiring Carters and Allens instead of Murtons.
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by notsellingjeans on Jul 31, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Did anyone see the bounty Atlanta gave up for Bourn
Pretty crazy if you ask me!
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 31, 2011 11:08 AM PDT reply actions
We Should Be Happy That Coco Made It This Long
This is the longest string of healthy games Coco has had in years…
by muscatel on Jul 31, 2011 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
We have Daric Barton.
Chris Carter, as well as a slew of other options. Maybe even a FA like Berkman or Pena too. Allen certainly is no Carter in LF, and you will never see Willingham make that play either. He might not be great in LF, but he cant be worse than the crud defense we’ve been putting out there.
We have Daric Barton, who is going under the knife
There’s no promise of anything as far as him and 1B are concerned going forward.
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If you can make that catch, you are better than Willingham and Carter in LF.
If he can hit with a 120 OPS+ then I’d love him in LF. There’s a lot of 1B FAs I’d love to kick the tires on, as well as some blocked or out of favor players we could target in a trade.
Will Middlebrooks sitting out for Sox AA team
Interesting…
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I'd take him for Harden
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
You'd rather have Middlebrooks than Anderson plus 2 picks,
albeit with the risk that Willingham accepts arbitration?
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
He's got the power but the plate discipline is a bit worrisome. Defense is
supposed to be awesome though. Could be Kouz but with better defense?
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
He is?
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Ah
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
No worries, Ive done that move from time to time
Happens to the best of us, its just so easy to hit “post” sometimes!
Willingham and Crisp expected to stay
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jul 31, 2011 11:22 AM PDT reply actions
Boo on Crisp, OK on Willingham
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Wasn't someone saying that it didn't matter if Crisp left?
That he’d end right back up in Oakland next year because of his status?
You think he'd clear waivers? He's not expensive.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Hell no he wouldn't clear waivers.
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boo on both
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The right move if the offers just weren't there
Glad Beane didn’t try to force anything. That being said, I’m still hoping we can find suitors for Jackson/DeJesus/Harden.
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rosenthal onm mlbnetwork
says another is saying the deal is done for mike adams, not bell, so we’ll see
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http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
Hey, dan, did you hear that Orlando Cabrera is heading to the west coast?
Rumor has it that he is going to the Giants.
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i think its a done deal
its up on mlb.com now
by bruceXbandit on Jul 31, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
what will be interesting is if Ziegler is filthy in his first NL tour.
Remember how record-setting he was when he first came up? With that delivery, the deception is probably most effective the first few times you see him.
It makes sense to trade him now. And in the NL, maybe he’ll be unhittable again for a year or two.
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by notsellingjeans on Jul 31, 2011 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
He was pretty inconsistent last year,
but he has had a nice bounceback season this year
by Rygoslinglover on Jul 31, 2011 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I misread your subject line
I thought you were talking about Daric Barton’s labrum.
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The problem with keeping the OF is no tryouts for Miller or Taylor
I’m fine with keeping Willingham for the picks. I’d be fine with re-signing DeJesus (the DeJesus/Damon analogy seems apt), and maybe even Crisp. But it’s still disappointing to see those three the rest of the year. And next year we have no idea what to do with either Miller or Taylor.
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this is my main issue
figuring out with we have in miller and especially taylor is much more valuable than keeping crisp and DDJ around
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Crisp and DeJesus could hit Type B status
I appreciate letting Taylor and even Miller get some playing time in Oakland but Beane needs to set his asking price at that Comp 1 pick level.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Yup.
Well. Actually I think DDJ won’t reach Type B, he’s going the wrong direction on the Elias rankings.
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Peter Gammons just said it was Mike Adams on MLB Network.
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Wow they got Wieland and Erlin for Adams!
Why couldn’t we trade Bailey for that?
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Cause Bailey is worth more than Adams?
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I guess, just because he's under control longer, but that would still be a good return for him, no?
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
that is an incredible return
great job jed hoyer
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
Adams is really good
But it sounds like Texas gave up a lot so that’s a big plus.
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Erlin should be seriously good in PETCO.
The only knock on him is that he’s a fly ball pitcher, so he’s prone to giving up homeruns. He should thrive in that stadium.
O-Cab to the Giants!
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by OptimistPrime on Jul 31, 2011 11:39 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Allen to SAC?
You’ve got to be kidding me….
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MOAR CONOR JACKSON
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Su Slu twitter
Not gonna even try the link.
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Ok I'll try
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"possible" but even melvin isn't sure about where allen is heading (also from twitter). norberto coming to the bigs
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Possible is too much possibility for me...
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Melvin believes Norberto will head here but not sure about Allen. #Athletics
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Norberto would take Ziggy's spot in the pen. That much makes sense.
But Allen really needs to play. Here.
There must first be goodby hugs with CoJack.
BB and New Bob will have to wipe the tears away before Allen is brought up.
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There'd be tears, but I think that'd be more due to Kyli kicking everyone in their shins.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
I forgot about that.
So, there is the fear factor in who gets DFA’d
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Well just for McCarthy and Jackson.
Everyone else is fair game I think.
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Shins?
Someone messes with MY MAN and I’mma go for the jugular.
I do feel much better as a person when my man Saint ConorJackson is in the OF and not at 1B, and I do trust in my other man BetterBob to make sure he’s there. Every day. ALL DAY. FOREVER.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
The A's are my boyfriend and they're fine with it.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
He must be brought up to speed with our hitting philosophy before he is brought up.
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Noooooooooo
i want Allen and Carter in the lineup
by bruceXbandit on Jul 31, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
We are not trading Harden, Crisp or DeJesus. Who bring us no draft picks. We are not contending this year.
Disgusting. Fuck you Beane.
by PL78 on Jul 31, 2011 11:43 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
So what should they have done? Trade them for shit if that's all other teams were offering?
And trade Harden for Anderson and the PTBNL if Boston demanded a contingency that if Harden got hurt the PTNBL is off the table?
Fuck that.
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I'd rather not do a deal like that if I'm expecting the PTBNL to actually have some value
Boston knows Harden could break at any moment. If they want him, they can take that risk.
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Sure, it would piss me off that they asked for that
But at this point, Harden is worth nothing to us. Take a guy like Anderson who at least has a chance to be useful.
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Screw that
That’s just letting Boston dictate things for no legitimate reason. Bullshit.
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Thats just being stubborn now
Sure, they get their way. But at least we get a decent prospect out of an injury prone starter who wont give us anything past this lost season.
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Exactly this
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
I'm with you.
Principles are great to have and everything, but when the choice is “Lars Anderson” vs. “Principles and Nothing”, I think I’ll take Anderson.
You're being too stubborn.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Nothing wrong with that
If I’m a GM I’m not just going to let the other team change their minds on what they’re offering because they finally remembered Harden is fragile.
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Seriously. Harden being the pitching equivalent of a piece of origami that just went through the washing machine = well known fact.
And if there was a specific under-the-table idea of who that PTBNL was going to be, then yeah, I can see why BB dropped it.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
I maintain that the PTBNL was of more value to the A's than Lars Anderson would have been
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Amen, brother.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
Trade them all for whatever we can get. Seriously.
We have Sweeney and Miller who can play CF for 2 months, and now we have Allen and Taylor who are at fuckin AAA when they should be starting. Beane is blowing it. Maybe he will trade them later though, so there’s still hope….
Fuck that
Don’t just give people away for nothing, if nothing is all that’s being offered.
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Lars Anderson was being offered.
and we balk at a PTBNL? Greedy GMing, Beane is really blowing it here.
So the fuck what? Harden for Anderson is a great deal.
Now Harden walks and we get nothing out of it.
If Boston offers me a PTBNL and it's someone who could be something...
…then they try to change the terms of the deal, fuck them.
If you’d just be content to bend over for that, good for you.
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Do you even realize that the alternative is nothing?
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
If they had been upfront about their terms from the start I'd agree
with you but to renege after looking at the medical charts, I’d draw a line in the sand on principle.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
The alternative is probably that Harden stays with the A's next year if they want him and he wants to stay
And he seems to want to stay.
If he’s healthy (yeah, yeah) he’s worth having around.
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If we trade him to Boston he could come back to the A's next year
Having Harden next year anyway does not not do anything unless we’re trying to build another maybe .500 squad
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
Harden's useful on a good team as well. I'd like him back.
He’s not like most of our position players who wouldn’t start on a good team.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Are we a good team?
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
No, but I'm in favor of collecting good players as long
as they’re not hurting our future
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I am with you here
Harden probably would be open to coming back to the A’s. Remember Anderson and Braden are still slated to miss a good chunk of time next year, so bringing back Harden is really not a bad idea at all. Of course this assumes that Harden doesn’t have some kind of horrific injury. I don’t think that Beane should let Boston toy with us, and Lars Anderson just seems like an overhyped bust
by Rygoslinglover on Jul 31, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Harden for Anderson was not a great deal
For all the reasons previously listed.
The monster at the end of this blog.
I understand that Beane would be upset at that
But at this point, why not take Anderson for Harden straight up? Harden has no value for us.
*Insert something witty here*. Oh, and Stanfurd Sucks.
And because the BoSox are renigging on an agreement.
i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72
Well they were being niggardly
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Harden's health has been a major topic for the last decade, or so.
For Boston to be shocked is BS.
i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72
Absolutely
I vibrated with joy that join A's. -- Kim Seong-min
by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL, I don't know if that's a Californication quip, but it's funny.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Beane said no because he didn't want to get niggled on that deal.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
Sorry, I used dictionary,com.
That’s what I get for going the cheap route..
i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72
If you make a habit of giving players up for nothing,
that’s what you can expect to get offered in the future.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
i doubt they were getting completely shitty offers
Anderson for Harden is more than fair.
Pretty sure on the rotoworld sidebar Heyman says that teams have inquired on WIllingham and Crisp but didn’t like the price. we really shouldn’t be shooting for the moon with those guys.
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
Who is Harden blocking, then?
Oh, right.
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he's a maroon. replying to him is a waste of everything.
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by stm72 on Jul 31, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh really, youre going to go there?
Yes, keeping our worthless FA’s in a worthless season is a MARVELOUS move. I forgot you can never besmirch the name of William Beane on here, even if he is being a total nincompoop by blocking our ready-now prospects with old veterans who wont be here next year nor will give us any draft picks.
wow, are you so lame that you can't read my sigline. really?
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Can you please quit verbally abusing me?
Calling other posters names saying “he’s a maroon” and “youre so lame” is not what AN is about. Take apart my argument if you must, but don’t make it personal. We are all A’s fans here and if you take a differing side of an argument please stay on course with it relating to the A’s, not the poster.
so basically calling me a beane sycophant is okay then? whatever dude.
the artist formerly known as inbillywetrust
Ok I misread that, but stm72 is trolling this shit out of me and it sucks
Its way out of line. I never called anyone a sycophant. Stm72 was the first to start name calling.
Both of you should probably grab a beer/soda/kombucha and take a breather.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
I've got popcorn and beer for you, stm.
i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72
I don't like all of the hate directed your way ethier,
and I don’t even really agree with you. I feel like some fans get really trade obsessed, and always want their team to make a deadline deal. I don’t believe in making a trade for the sake of making a trade, and I think that is where Beane stands now. We have money, and I think that resigning Willingham makes a lot of sense for this team. I doubt that Beane was offered very much for DeJesus or Crisp. I imagine that he was probably offered some “Tommy Everidge” like players. It really doesn’t help the A’s in the present or the future to trade for players with no MLB upside.
by Rygoslinglover on Jul 31, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Please, please stop wasting everything then.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
Which is why Moose Coscto is still pitching.
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I don't get why winning is so pointless
This is an entertainment medium. Sure, the goal is making the playoffs and going to the World Series. But still, you do want people to follow the team, and you do want people to come to games.
There are only three reasons to move players: If you can get someone back in return who will either help you now (if you’re contending) or help you down the road (if you’re not); if you’re moving someone as a salary dump; if you’re making room for someone who will probably make a difference.
Moscoso is better than Godfrey. Godfrey is going nowhere. You still want to win games. Moscoso is, ahem, actually getting the job done. Not only that, but as long as he pitches as infrequently as possible in hitters’ parks, he’s a more than respectable fifth starter.
Harden,who wants to return next year, is blocking nobody.
I think he's blocking us
from the opportunity of some decent upside in Lars Anderson
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
No, Theo trying to change the terms of a deal is blocking that.
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Yes. I'd not take anything Theo said seriously for a while.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Is keeping Harden more valuable than going ahead and moving him for Anderson?
I agree that what Theo did is bullshit, but if the talks really are dead, isn’t it worth it to go ahead and just make the deal? Or are principles worth making bad decisions?
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
I think you have to in business.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Let me put it another way
If you cave on the Boston demand after they try to change the terms of the deal, others are going to figure they can make you cave on other deals as well.
It’s not being stubborn, it’s a sign of weakness.
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Yes
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Um, principles would be huge when it comes to dealing with other GMs.
If Billy WERE to go ahead and do the deal, that just tells all the other GMs that Billy might deal with that he’s a pushover.
That just opens up ever other potential negotiation for the same tactics. It’s a horrible business move.
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Yes
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
What?
So don’t allow the same tactics when somebody else tries to do it, how hard is that?
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
Gah
what the shit ever
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
Of course you don't
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
WTH can Beane do, call a GM and say, YOU WILL TAKE COCO, and give us a great prospect. I haven't heard any
interest in DDJ at all. What do expect him to do???
by theblackpearl on Jul 31, 2011 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
literally give him away for an a-ball prospect, or take any offer like Boston's, instead of being greedy
I am so fucking glad someone like you doesn't actually run the team.
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by mikev on Jul 31, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes because being 12 games out and keeping crap FA's that bring us back nothing is really the way to go.
YAY LETS KEEP BLOCKING TAYLOR!
you don't want to uselessly waste service time for young players before they are projected to be good.
Next spring is an appropriate time for Carter/Taylor to get their shot. And they will.
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by notsellingjeans on Jul 31, 2011 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Carter's been jerked around too much already.
Taylor needs to continue his success and then come up AND STAY UP
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I can definitely see that perspective.
But I think you could make an argument that Carter has been really bad in two of his limited opportunities – this year, and when he was first called up last year.
In both cases, not only were his stats bad in an admittedly small sample, but he looked bad, too.
I think that if he had played well he would’ve been given the opportunity to continue at the big league level. I only view it as being “jerked around” when a guy does extremely well, and still gets sent down (or doesn’t get called up despite dominating). Like the delay in promoting Strasburg, or Ryan Braun a few years back.
I don’t think Carter has been good enough to claim he’s been jerked around.
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by notsellingjeans on Jul 31, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Well he did get a reasonable look last year
but I was I guess referring to the “callup specifically to ride the bench… wait, no, we’re gonna start playing him a little bit, wait no he’s gonna get a lot of time, wait no send him back down”
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yeah, the one this year was like that, good call.
I think he might’ve been the only minor leaguer on the 40-man who was healthy and played those positions. I think that was the rationale. They were thin at the big-league level at those spots due to injury and felt like they had to “screw” Carter by necessity.
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by notsellingjeans on Jul 31, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not trying to trade players under team control here dude
They are free agents and are not type A or B. We get literally nothing out of keeping them, except blocking Taylor and Miller and now Allen.
Haven't you heard? We're going to win the Pennant!
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
And this as well
If we can get them for a couple decent prospects, which I suspect we can, you have to do it. We really need to see what we have in Taylor. Because I suspect that even when he’s called up in September, he won’t get any playing time, because NewBob loves to play his vets. It’s about to happen with Allen.
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
"I am so fucking glad someone like you doesn't actually run the team."
Yeah, we’d have a well-stocked farm system that we paid almost nothing for. Also we’d probably be in 1st or 2nd place because I’d just ask Lew for $200MM to spend on players.
and every trade you propose would be fucking laughed at by actual, real GMs.
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Gee, where can I vote for you?
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll take under on that
2011 Oakland Athletics: We have Cy Young pitchers and make yours look like it, too
Maybe if you shut up about me for a second and actually formed your own opinion on the A's we could have a decent conversation.
Instead you take to name calling like a child. Grow up.
You were allowed to form your own opinion
Look were that got us.
BTW, DeJesus and Crisp are within striking distance to make Type B status. I guarantee you any team that had interest in trading for either player was anticipating them to play better than they are now.
Meaning those teams would be looking at cashing in on the comp picks.
Beane has to set the sale price as the equivalent to netting that Type B comp pick. Anything less slits his own throat.
The monster at the end of this blog.
DeJesus is within striking distance of being a Type B player? Seriously?!
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
He's already there.
Solidly, even. In the middle of the type B pack. Coco is just off the cutoff for B.
It's a two or three year thing
DeJesus was a damn fine player for the Royals.
He does remind me of Damon. A guy who was damn good in KC but sucked in Oakland. And yes I stole that from another poster from the other site.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
I thought it was
But I recalled it used to be three and so became I unsure of myself.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
I could of sworn DeJesus was below the B line
I was wrong.
Yet, even in my wrongness I am more right than PL78.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Or put it this way:
For all of the OFs:
Jose Bautista (95.211), highest type A
Josh Willingham (74.648)
Torii Hunter (74.085), lowest type A
David DeJesus (65.352)
Austin Jackson (59.347), lowest type B
Coco Crisp (56.901)
and one of the guys ahead of Crisp is Rios,
who has been benched and will be easily passed.
The Oakland A's: If you have a no-trade clause in your contract, we're in it.
by notsellingjeans on Jul 31, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I agree with this.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Because you're fucking wrong on this one
And you don’t understand why.
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I disagree
Youre the one who wants to keep players that have absolutely zero value here. hero66 agrees, as does FrankCohen. You are wrong. Turning down Lars Anderson for renegging on another player for RICH HARDEN is universally stupid.
What you don't understand is WHY you turn it down
Forget the players involved. One more time, it’s about the message it sends if you cave in when the other team decides they want to add a caveat.
Fuck. That. Shit.
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I'd agree with that if it was for any non-made of glass player.
But its Harden! He’s bound to break at any second! We paid $1M for him! We should take one in the you know what to get Anderson for him. No care ever about renegging. Beane wants too much when he cant afford to. Our farm sucks, we NEED to re-up it. Beane is going about it the worst way he can.
I would never cave in this situation, but if I were to ever consider
taking a prospect over principles it would have to be someone a lot better than Anderson
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry bro
you just don’t get it
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
Obviously not
I mean, we disagree with you.
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
To be fair, it is summer break
I won’t see mine until September
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
I'm guessing Boston offered him a list of PTBNL and they were all people that would be worth getting
If I’m Beane, I’m not letting them add a provision that gives them an out to keep whoever that is. My attitude on Harden is you know the risk you’re getting if you want him, so don’t come back to us later on and say “We’ll take him IF…”
I don’t mind keeping Harden in that case. Why give in? That’s not being greedy. That’s expecting the other side to honor what they offered you.
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I'd have gone for it, if I could get a better PTBNL or maybe
2 PTBNLs if Harden met whatever IP requirement they wanted as the contingency. But to just offer the same deal with a contingency is not acceptable.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
People are wrong all the time.
It’s not a reason to make the discussion go meta.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
And when someone says things that are wildly crazy then hides behind "Stop getting meta on me!" when there's a history of stupid crap said...
…well, shit happen sometimes. Oh well.
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"Being wrong" XOR "yelling"
Please
2011 Oakland Athletics: We have Cy Young pitchers and make yours look like it, too
I need some help installing hardwood flooring.
Are you any good on your knees?
i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72
Also you could probably hire a professional for what it'd cost to get me into the country.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Do you want the job, or not?
If you do, then shut up and get on your knees, and start nailing. jk.
i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72
I have about 1500 sq ft of American Black Cherry flooring to install in my house.
i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72
Well, WHAT, just exactly, did you think I was hiring you for?
i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72
Anderson to 60-day should do it for now
Unless he was already moved to it.
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Lars?
For being jerked around by Boston, can we at least have the right to put Lars Anderson on the 60-day DL to free up a roster spot?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Yeah Harold Reynolds is actually playing with himself while it happens
or at least he sounds like it.
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No, Fuck the Fucking piece of shiet Angels.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Fangraphs' latest article headline:
Oakland Uses Brad Ziegler to Free Brandon Allen
We’re getting a lot of “FREE PLAYER X” recently. I like it.
Tigers fans felt the same way about Sizemore
Lot of “free scott sizemore!” stuff
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
FanGraphs fucking loves the guy.
I think they write like, one article a year about how Arizona needs to “Free Brandon Allen.” I guess Goldschmidt made him expendable. Beane got his “can’t miss” young power hitter.
It's the new market inefficiency!
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
The new market inefficiency are disrespected players and AA is the new Beane.
See: Rasmus, Colby & Escobar, Yunel.
what continues to bug me is our drafting. i get that we have less dollars to spend on free agents and a stadium that seems to repel hitters. the only way for the a's to make trades is with quality prospects and we seem to have a shortage of those.
my point is that we don’t have names to trade for the escobars and the rasmuses.
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It's funny that you still think of Fox.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
There might actually be something to this.
Patterson was in the same position as Fox. Neither of them worked out. But Sizemore, Allen and Lars Anderson all fit that bill of good prospects who are either stalled, blocked or mistreated.
why do the players I like get traded and the players i hate sit around like fungus. :(
Ziggy got me over my Chad Bradford mourning. I demand another submariner.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
Fungus is the new market efficiency
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Those with Athlete's Foot
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Hopefully the A's will Rule 5 an intriguing submariner.
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by notsellingjeans on Jul 31, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope so. D:
Even if the A’s don’t love their Rule Vs enough.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
Yankees talks for Wandy dead
Any chance they get in on Harden at the last minute?
*Insert something witty here*. Oh, and Stanfurd Sucks.
Montero!
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
i hate the TBNL part in PTBNL
i wanna know now!
by bruceXbandit on Jul 31, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
.
Jane Lee
Ziegler saying goodbyes to #Athletics fans http://twitpic.com/5yyggs
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Not I.
I have already lived a year in Blythe,CA. Tuu damned hot for my migraines.
i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72
Yes but the desert can be awesome....at least it is in New Mexico
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Indeed....but I recommend visiting New Mexico anyway
I vibrated with joy that join A's. -- Kim Seong-min
by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep, that's why retirees are called snow birds.
They live elsewhere in the summer, and live in Phoenix in the winter.
i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72
Scottsdale is fantastic.
Bring back Hammer.
by OaktownPower on Jul 31, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I liked it there, actually
Only been there for 3 weeks, though
2011 Oakland Athletics: We have Cy Young pitchers and make yours look like it, too
Mark Ellis does.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
I don't think it needs to be said that I'm not Mark Ellis...
He’s far more lovable than I.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
True, but you've got better hair.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
And I'm prettier.
Beyond that though he’s got me beat.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
ummmmm.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. —Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
You've misspelled "UNGH"
2011 Oakland Athletics: We have Cy Young pitchers and make yours look like it, too
About Oldham? Or Mark Ellis?
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. —Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
No, that's how it's spelled
when you’ve got something in your mouth.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
Dirty.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. —Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Only if you make it that way.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
I AM SO SAD. :( I wish I were at the game right now so I could go "I LOVE YOUUUUU" in person.
I got him to sign my shirt last season and he was so nice. :(
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
You can still love him as a Diamondback. I'm going to.
I vibrated with joy that join A's. -- Kim Seong-min
by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, I will.
I followed Chadford til the end of his days, I do love my subarmine relievers.
But I’m still sadface. I now have to figure out if Balfour or Bailey will be my new favorite reliever, meh.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
Bailey pitches better but Balfour curses better
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Assuming Beane doesn't trade them both in the next 40 mins.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
That is why it is so hard to choose.
I like a mix of talent and hilarity.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
such a nice guy.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. —Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
LOL @ Weaver getting upset at Tigers home runs
Magglio stood in box and admired and now Carlos Guillen. Weaver upset and apparently benches warned.
Go fuck yourself Weaver
Now he got tossed. LOL
HAHAHAHA Guillen talked mad shit to him, too.
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DURRRR THEY’RE TOO OLD, BABIP IS TOO HIGH, TOO MANY Ks, DURRRRRR
That is why Texas must win division
Fuck the slegnA
What about Oakland? We can win too.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure we can
Of course I want our team to win but it aint happening at this point
Isn't it better when it does?
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
True.......but with 50 guys to get through I think you're going for quantity over quality.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Or you could treasure every second!
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm, erm, not involved in this. I'm liberal, but I'm not THAT liberal. ;-)
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Guilen was being a complete asshole
I’d have done the same thing
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
Guillen stared him down as he walked halfway to first base
and then talked shit to him as he was rounding the bases. I’d have taken him out before he reached second base, fuck throwing at the next guy.
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
Exactly. Don't hit the next guy with a pitch, charge the prick talking shit to you whilst he's on the bases.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Watching it on the Ipad.
Crazy!
Jim McLennan is right!
by Coach Cleats on Jul 31, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
No way, fuck Guillen
That was beyond bush league
Bring back Hammer.
by OaktownPower on Jul 31, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Didnt deserve that.
Screw Guillen, fully on Weaver’s side on that one
Bring back Hammer.
by OaktownPower on Jul 31, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm curious if there's backstory on it, if Weaver had done anything to push Guillen to that.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
Ordonez took a little while to get out of the box on his home run
so at the end of the inning Weaver passes MigCab and tells him to let the Tigers hitters know to run out of the box. Then Guillen, like a petulent little child, acts like an asshole all the way around the bases on his home run.
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
it's a petulant child move on Weaver's part to complain about the home run walk...
because he’s bitter about allowing a home run.
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by notsellingjeans on Jul 31, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
It's my understanding that he just went over and told him to run around the bases
without any animosity. that is perfectly reasonable
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
I think that's crap.
Not everyone who is slow around the bases is thumbing their noses at you.
And Rule #1. If you don’t want guys ‘showboating’ (whether or not they actually are) then don’t give them something to hit over the fence.
by LoneStranger on Jul 31, 2011 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions
You are getting bad info.
Weaver’s a hick and was mouthing off all day at every Tigers hitter, as he often mouths off at most every team that gets the better of him.
Weaver’s the child here. Guillen’s kind of a dick, but Weaver going head hunting is the most despicable thing he can do. What if Avila didn’t get out of the way and he died as a result? You never purposely throw at the head of a hitter.
Is Verlander the best pitcher in the game?!
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 31, 2011 12:06 PM PDT reply actions
Him or Halladay
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes CC is awesome as well
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I'd say
1A. Halladay 1B. Verlander 2. CC 3. Weaver 4. Josh Johnson 5. Felix 6. Beckett 7. Cliff Lee 8. Kershaw 9. Jurjens 10. Haren 11. Linececum 12. Grenkie
My mannerism a prism/ And it should shine
Light it if you would/ Be so kind, right now'd
Be A' Good Time
by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 31, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Gio would come in around 15th or 16th......And Cahill around 25, 26
My mannerism a prism/ And it should shine
Light it if you would/ Be so kind, right now'd
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 31, 2011 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
BB doesn't understand that lowering the high-sock coefficient for the team will have detrimental effects on our anticipated # of wins.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
Maybe you can teach Brandon and Jordan how to dress properly
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Bunting to break up a no-hitter?
More reasons to despise LAAAAAAAAAA
I don't feel that I'm feeling your feelings, about these feelings that you feel.
LOL, the angels bunted now
hahahahaha.
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
I love it..fair game after bush league Guillen
Bring back Hammer.
by OaktownPower on Jul 31, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I usually don't care about guys watching a home run
but he was deliberately trying to piss off the pitcher there, which is beyond lame. acted like a jackass.
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
Yes, WAY over the top, crazy bush league
Bring back Hammer.
by OaktownPower on Jul 31, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Erm, that was right after Weaver was pissing and moaning about a pitch called a ball.
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DURRRR THEY’RE TOO OLD, BABIP IS TOO HIGH, TOO MANY Ks, DURRRRRR
Pirates have re-newed interest in Ludwick
Looks like thats down to the Indians and Pirates…maybe we can offer the loser DeJesus?
*Insert something witty here*. Oh, and Stanfurd Sucks.
I dont understand why teams want Ludwick more than Willingham
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
My guess
is that the Padres aren’t asking for too much and Beane is (rightfully so) asking for a lot for Willingham.
*Insert something witty here*. Oh, and Stanfurd Sucks.
From what I hear, it's Willingham's achilles that's scaring teams off
which is reasonable. Ludwick is healthy.
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A maybe hurt Willingham is probably more valuable than a healthy Ludwick
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
The team sorta stinks....there's probably correlation to that
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
by franks a lot on Jul 31, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Nah.
The angry factor of AN is directly correlated to our record.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
Sorta.
The angry factor of AN is directly correlated to our record in the last two days. 60-18, but lost two in a row? JAOIDSFDSJNSJFSCNFSISAD
You don't seem all that angry to me
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Frustration over the lack of much substance around the deadline?
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Anger and frustration are what drives the internet.
It’s not going anywhere.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. —Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
zigs was one my favorite a's players
such a good story, but two legit prospects. great deal beane.
bailey to the rangers seems like a terrible idea to me, unless we get some slam dunk prospects. i don’t want to be facing him for three more seasons in division play…
by nateinberkeley on Jul 31, 2011 12:14 PM PDT reply actions
Not gonna happen anymore
Rangers got Uehara and Adams
*Insert something witty here*. Oh, and Stanfurd Sucks.
This is why i'm sad. =(
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Yay!
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
i would have every single batter bunt if im the angels
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
esp bourjos here
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
susanslusser Susan Slusser
Conor Jackson and Jerry Blevins both liken Brandon Allen to a “left-handed Chris Carter,” but with less power. #Athletics
oh my god isn’t one chris carter enough.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
Hell, no.
I want nine Chris Carters. An army of Trogdors.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
I know it would be neat to be the team that goes 0-162, but no.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
HIT!
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
Damn.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. —Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
and another hit ties up the game
lololol
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
sorry, but after what guillen did
i am rooting for the tigers to lose
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
How about a bench clearing scrum where both teams get DQ'd and counts as losses for both.
I vote for option C.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
"He's chicken curry right now. He'll become beef curry a little later on."
-Keith Smart
Not me
100 mph still by Verlander.
Hung a couple of curves and got lucky.
Ludwick to the Pirates close, per Morosi
Maybe Indians will get back on Crisp/Willingham/DeJesus?
*Insert something witty here*. Oh, and Stanfurd Sucks.
I don't see why they want Ludwick in the first place. Is he going to actually improve them?
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL Looks like Verlander just threatened Aybar
From the dugout he yelled at him in the field and pointed to his arse indicating he is going to get it next time.
Going to the top 9th right now. 3-2 Det.
Bring back Hammer.
by OaktownPower on Jul 31, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
such BS
i hate that “no bunting” unwritten rule. maybe if you’re down 8-0 or something, but this is still a winnable game and you do what you can to win the game.
then again, in this situation, I would’ve bunted even if it was 8-0, lol
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
Agreed.
It’s stupid to say you can’t try a legitimate tactic to win the game just so one player can preserve a stat.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
Yeah
they say you don’t play the game for statistical accomplishment, but there’s that, and then managers always bringing in closers with 3-run leads, just because it’s a “save situation”
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
Totally agree.
If you don’t want a bunt single, then field it well.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I only agree with this because I'd have jumped Guillen whilst he was on the bases. The next guy had nothing to do with it.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
I love Jeff.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. —Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Me too. Sigh! Dreamy.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. —Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Top of 9 now
Valverde in.
I missed the Aybar error earlier. Someone said he tried to break up the no hitter with a bunt.
That is an unwritten no no if it’s the case.
The unwritten went out the window after Guillen's antics.
Bring back Hammer.
by OaktownPower on Jul 31, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Normally I would agree 100 percent
The fact that it was the slegnA changes it for me
Fuck them
LOL, now Verlander yells out to Aybar and says he's going to hit him
fuck that guy
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
Clearly I don't understand baseball etiquette yet.
I would literally kick the shit out of someone that intentionally hit me with a fastball.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
If it happens in the 9th
we will probably see a lot of that
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
Weaver threw near the head
I don’t care how wronged he thought he was.
He will get suspended and miss a start I would think
Yeah it has nothing to do with Avila (or whoever that was), that was a bitch move by Weaver.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
if Weaver wanted to hit him, he would have.
Bring back Hammer.
by OaktownPower on Jul 31, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Bullshit
He threw a pitch at his head/ dude. THERE IS NO FUCKING EXCUSE FOR THAT. EVER
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by elcroata on Jul 31, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
Next time they face each other, even the slightest inside pitch and Aybar is taking off on Verlander lol
by duballers23 on Jul 31, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I assume guys that throw a 100
pack a good punch
by elSAVinator on Jul 31, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Y'see this is the thing - you'd think rugby players would be able to fight.
In my experience…..not so much.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
The All Blacks Disagree
They never back down from nothing.
See Buck Shelford, Richard Loe and Mark “Cowboy” Shaw just to name a few,
My cousin was playing for Wellington and he cold cocked a guy who was testicle pulling. He dropped the guy cold right in front of the ref. He was sent to the sin bin for 10.
Now if you do that now, you are sent off.
I didn't say they all couldn't fight - just a lot of them can't.
When fists start flying in the SL I honestly cringe.
Plus there’s a macho story where I kicked a rugby player’s ass that I’m not gonna tell. Cos I’m modest.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Also NZ was playing Wales years ago and the lock for Wales punched an All Black. Buck Shelford came up from behind and knocked the guy out cold.
The ref saw the first punch as as he blew his whistle, Buck came in and knock the guy cold. He was like 6 feet 6 and 260 and buch about 6 feet 2. When the guy came around the ref sent him off for the originial infraction. Shelford didn’t even get a reprimand for the knock out
Yes, I know
Do you like Union or League better
Richard Loe was playing provincial rugby and eyegouged one of his NZ
Loe was voted the dirtiest player in world rugby back then. 99 times out of 100 New Zealand does not instigate or they get in big trouble with their management. But they are famous for retaliation and usually they get the guy good. See a few go off on a stretcher.
Nolan Ryan says you are correct.
Bring back Hammer.
by OaktownPower on Jul 31, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I wish Guillen would have pimped a HR like that off of Farnsworth
I don’t think he would have made it to 1st base
by elSAVinator on Jul 31, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I would have watched the hell out of that. Oh, THE FARNS.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
15 minutes left to trade the team
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Light it if you would/ Be so kind, right now'd
Be A' Good Time
by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 31, 2011 12:44 PM PDT reply actions
LOL Tom Verducci
“Can you imagine what Valverde is gonna do if he gets an out to end THIS game?”
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
A's play the NL West next year, right? Assuming they don't send AZ back here a second year in a row...
…I might just make a little roadtrip to Arizona’s place for the first time.
Last of the Ninth - Photography
Wow, I finally caught up with the comments on this thread.
Four minutes before the trade deadline.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
Welcome to the front page, DWishinsky.
For what it’s worth, I like the content better than the name.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
I don't get it.
Some sort of movie reference?
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
I wasn't joking. I really didn't get it.
I figured it out with googling though. I saw the first two Indiana Jones movies. Liked the first, not the second.
Does the phrase have any currency before the movie? I hadn’t heard it.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
UNREC'D
How can you not have seen Last Crusade? One of the best movies EVER
"Da greatness of Da Rooster" - RLangford
"The whole thing was a piece of theatre. Billy had told Art how and where to stand during a game so that the players would... take strength from his countenance, because when Art sat on the bench... he looked like a prisoner of war."
-Moneyball
This style is how fantasy squads are named in my league.
SheWantMauer,Mauer,Mauer
HumberTellYaChildrenNotToWalkMyWay
The Green JeMile
Duensing With The Stars
The Oakland A's: If you have a no-trade clause in your contract, we're in it.
by notsellingjeans on Jul 31, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I do the same but with a different corpus.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
That is an epid handle
You should change your name to that
"Da greatness of Da Rooster" - RLangford
"The whole thing was a piece of theatre. Billy had told Art how and where to stand during a game so that the players would... take strength from his countenance, because when Art sat on the bench... he looked like a prisoner of war."
-Moneyball
Oops
Meant epic
"Da greatness of Da Rooster" - RLangford
"The whole thing was a piece of theatre. Billy had told Art how and where to stand during a game so that the players would... take strength from his countenance, because when Art sat on the bench... he looked like a prisoner of war."
-Moneyball
Oh well, too late for Harden-for-Pujols
But I saw Brandon Allen play in several games on TV last year and he went crazy, hitting several mammoth blasts, so I like that for Ziggy (sorry Kyli).
Welcome to the FP, d-wish!!!
"If we start getting into that sh*t, we might as well get out the plastic sheeting and have an orgy." --Gaijin Suketto
Allen or Cust?
From what I’ve read, isn’t Brandon Allen, at best, a poor man’s Jack Cust?
Sheesh, I’d hate to think what the A’s would have to pay if they actually traded for someone like Ziegler.
In other news, Brian “Twenties” Fuentes trade falls through.
A little known trade between the A’s and Giants fell through. “We just couldn’t get the terms right” said the A’s GM. "We offered to get rid of… I mean trade “Twenties”, but all they were offering was a pack of double-mint gum. I would have taken that deal too, except that there were only two pieces left in the pack, and I always chew two at a time".
I thought your last attempt at humor could not be bottomed
Also, what kind of literature do you use for your ingenious baseball insights?
2011 Oakland Athletics: We have Cy Young pitchers and make yours look like it, too
Very relevant to the A's last 24 hours
Apologies if someone posted this somewhere already…browsed but didn’t see it.
Brandon Allen vs. Lars Anderson


































