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Outman To Sacramento, Gio Gonzalez To Arizona (For The All-Star Game)

The A's have optioned Josh Outman to AAA, meaning he won't see the big leagues until after the All-Star game. Speaking of the All-Star game, Gio Gonzalez will represent the A's. Shockingly, Gio beat out Scott Sizemore, Conor Jackson, Brian Fuentes, and David De "Hey I'm on the A's so I should stop hitting well" for the honor.

However, Gio earned it on his own merit, posting a 2.38 ERA good for 4th in the AL. (He should, however, give a nod of thanks to the weather for wiping out 7 ER in Texas.) Gonzalez goes for the A's today at 1:05pm as Oakland tries to win the series against the Diamondbacks. If they win, I think every A's player should celebrate by pumping their arms, in unison, with the gesture Kirk Gibson gave in 1988.

See you at 1:05pm!

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We do sell out, you know.

I think the Gillette ads are proof enough.

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by Nico on Jul 3, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

QOTM

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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 3, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

The headline scared me

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by YonYonson on Jul 3, 2011 10:13 AM PDT reply actions  

What if we got Justin Upton in return?

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by Nico on Jul 3, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Upton and the rights for at least one MO shinkick to Kirk Gibson

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by YonYonson on Jul 3, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Only one?

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by MissOakland on Jul 3, 2011 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I adore Gio but I'd have to move him for Justin Upton

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by Nico on Jul 3, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, luckily or unluckily it's really not an issue!

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by Nico on Jul 3, 2011 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

pretty much this

ignoring contract and years of control, etc. I mean assuming we could keep him.

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by mikev on Jul 3, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wow! That's high praise.

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 3, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

I thought Outman was better overall than Moscoso.

… but then, they probably see Moscoso as the better arm with more potential, even though he has tended to give up the long ball.

by jeff-athletic on Jul 3, 2011 10:15 AM PDT reply actions  

I think Moscoso's just the guy who's pitching Wednesday

whereas Outman pitched last night. Had Moscoso’s turn come up last night I’ll bet he would have been the one sent down.

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by Nico on Jul 3, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Unless Moscoso has some Matt Cain-type ability to give up flies without giving up HRs, he's gonna give up a hell of a lot more.

He’s averaging around 1 HR/9, and yet, by his ridiculous FB rate, he should be giving up more like 1.5 HR/9.

by danmerqury on Jul 3, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

I've seen Matt Cain,

I’ve watched Matt Cain, and I’ve observed Matt Cain, and Gi-JAIR-mo Moscoso, you’re no Matt Cain.

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by Nico on Jul 3, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

But did you know Jack Kennedy?

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by darooster on Jul 3, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

That Swisher trade keeps getting better

Gio all star (i wonder if they regret not signing him to an extension earlier). That A’s approached barton for an extension before seems laughable now.

Not a sweeney fan, since i know theres more talent there. But unwilling to tweak his oppo field hitting approach. But still a serviceable mlb outfielder. Plus with healthy knees can play cf again.

FDLS- wildcard. Either as future closer or return to sp. Stuff wise he ranked better than anderson/cahill, in that stockton rotation years ago prior to injury.

Sadly, Swisher would still be the A’s best hitter 4 yrs later. Wouldnt mind a swisher reunion at some point

by J.J. Miller on Jul 3, 2011 10:17 AM PDT reply actions  

Hell yeah GIO!

Have you guys noticed the NL All-Star Roster?! It is pathetic. I know the NL is getting better and the disparity of the leagues isn’t as drastic as it has been over the last 9 or 10 years, but I still think it is pretty clear the AL is superior.

Todays Lineup:
1.) Weeks 2B
2.) Sizemore 3B
3.) Crisp CF
4.) Matsui LF
5.) Carter DH
6.) Jackson 1B
7.) DeJesus RF
8.) Powell C
9.) Pennylane there is a barber showing photographs. SS

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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 3, 2011 10:49 AM PDT reply actions  

Against a RHP, I'd flip Sizemore and DeJesus

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by Nico on Jul 3, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm almost presently surprised with todays lineup

Ian Kennedy is an all-star?! Yikes. At least our hitters tend to do better against better pitchers, for some reason. I agree though, I’d like DeJesus batting 2nd today. And, I’d like Coco batting anywhere but 3rd.

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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 3, 2011 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

The notion that against a RHP,

Sizemore and Jackson are better hitters than DeJesus is…incorrect. Even with DeJesus’ meh numbers this season.

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by Nico on Jul 3, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wow! What a horrible trio!

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 3, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

career .340 wOBA?

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by mikev on Jul 3, 2011 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

OK, that's an average starting player, no? No one's disputing that he's been OK in the past.

The problem is the present. He now projects at a .317 wOBA or a 100 wRC+, which for a corner OF is below average, no?

His defense and baserunning are decent but not enough to make up for the below average hitting, no?

What am I missing?

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 3, 2011 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just that he's a lot better than he's played so far in 2011.

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by Nico on Jul 3, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

No.

Average is 2 WAR. Not only that, but this lineup doesn’t exactly have very many average hitters. In the Red Sox lineup, sure, he’d hit 7th. Not in ours.

by danmerqury on Jul 3, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

No

Average is 2 WAR for all players, including reserves. For starters it’s closer to 3 WAR.

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 3, 2011 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do you have a link for that 3 WAR thing? Because I've always heard 2.

And look at this.

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2010/11/16/1813082/how-common-is-a-one-win-above-replacement-player

Last year, there were 86 players in baseball that were at 3 WAR. That comes out to only 2.9 players per team. How could 3 WAR be average if each team only had three of them out of 14 starting positions?

Or look at it this way. If every team averaged 3 WAR from each starting position (starter + reserve combined), that’d be 3 WAR * 9 lineup spots + 3 WAR * 5 starting pitchers = 42 WAR. A fully replacement level team would win 48-52, which would put the average team at 90-94 wins.

by danmerqury on Jul 3, 2011 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK, I took the average of all "Qualified" batters in 2010 on Fangraphs

Average – 3.1, Median 2.8, out of 149 Players (5 per team). These players averaged 613 PA

2009: 154 Players, Avg 613 PA, Avg 3.2 WAR, Median 3.0
2008: 147 Players, Avg 618 PA, Avg 3.1 WAR, Median 3.0
2007: 162 Players, Avg 615 PA, Avg 3.1 WAR, Median 2.8
2006: 160 Players, Avg 617 PA, Avg 3.0 WAR, Median 3.0

As you pointed out, DeJesus averages about 3.2 WAR per 650 AB, which puts him very close to the average of full time players, who average around 615 PA.

You’re right in that all teams don’t have a “starting” caliber player at every position, so in that sense, DeJesus is an above average player.

The problem I see with the A’s strategy of seeking out 3 WAR players with little upside on the FA and late arb markets is that inevitably some will disappoint as they reach their post-peak age, and some will get hurt, but few will outperform, leaving them with fairly large contracts (given their budget) on some unproductive players.

I guess one of these years, none will get hurt or disappoint and the team will win the 90-94 games that they’re aiming for with the “9 Hatteberg” strategy. It just means they can’t have any injuries or any underperformers.

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 4, 2011 6:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Looking at it on a team level, I looked at the Total WAR for position players

2010: Average WAR – 22.6 (2.7 per position for 8.47 starting positions), Median 24.6 (2.9)

2009: Average 22.3 (2.6 per position), Median 21.1 (2.5 per position)
2008: Average 22.2 (2.6), Median 20.2 (2.4)
2007: Average 21.9 (2.6), Median 20.7 (2.4)
2006: Average: 21.9 (2.6), Median 21.9 (2.6)

So if DeJesus managed his 3.2 WAR he’d be a slightly above average player for all batter positions including DH. The average DH actually gets about 1-2 WAR per year, and the median is closer to 1 WAR, so for players who play both ways, DeJesus is very slightly above average.

This would be no problem at all if he were Scott Sizemore making the minimum at the cost of David Purcey. The problem is that he’s making $6M/year, meaning a team on the A’s budget can’t afford to have him fail.

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 4, 2011 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lastly, it should be pointed out that all this is past history.

DeJesus projects around 2 WAR by both ZiPS and PECOTA, so although he has been a slightly above average player, he isn’t any more. The team is now paying a slightly below average player $6M. The best they can do now is to platoon him with Conor Jackson and be paying $9M for average production.

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 4, 2011 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's been good his whole career (except with the A's, naturally).

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by Nico on Jul 3, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's basically our current Johnny Damon.

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by Nico on Jul 3, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Even if he was average (which he is not),

average is good. Baseball talent isn’t a normal distribution. Most players are below average.

by danmerqury on Jul 3, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

And no one has ever clamed he was a star,

just that he’s a good player on a team with too few good position players.

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by Nico on Jul 3, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

0 for 4 either way

Maybe DeJesus will popup instead of strikeout.

by BrianJ12 on Jul 3, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

If only he could rock the gold alt at the ASG!!

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by Berry Jo on Jul 3, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

They might as well let him

I HATE HATE HATE how the players wear their own uniforms. I wish they’d wear the official all-star uniforms with just individual hats, so they’d actually look like, you know, A TEAM.

Pro Bowl does this, NBA All-star game has them wear team unis. The fact MLB doesn’t is dumb.

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"The whole thing was a piece of theatre. Billy had told Art how and where to stand during a game so that the players would... take strength from his countenance, because when Art sat on the bench... he looked like a prisoner of war."
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by darooster on Jul 3, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I totally agree

Wouldn’t people buy an authentic Pujols (or whoever) All-Star Game jersey? Retail opportunity totally missed. They could wear the team hat and put the team logo on the right sleeve or something.

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by EddieVegas_NRAF on Jul 3, 2011 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good Decision

Outman did well considering his recovery from TJ but overall I thought he was not yet good enough to beat out the other two on the DL if they were healthy.

Moscoso will be next to go I guess.

by Trainman on Jul 3, 2011 11:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Or maybe Godfrey

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 3, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

If we had a .750 hitter, I'd bat him 2nd.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 3, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Outman to minors?

I don’t know how you send a guy down that is pitching like a #2 in the rotation. But oh well, it won’t be long before Harden is back on the DL. What would be great is if he pitches a couple of good games and then the A’s are able to trade him again like they did a couple years back. That was awesome, I laughed my head off when that happened. Best trade they’ve made in years.

by BrianJ12 on Jul 3, 2011 12:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Outman allowed 62 baserunners in 46.2 Innings

Needs to go down. Limit the innings since he’s coming off his surgery. He was lucky not to get torched a little more up here.

by Trainman on Jul 3, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

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