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Daric Barton - Season finished before it really got started?

Note: I'm promoting this post to the front page, since Barton discussion will most likely be the topic of the day. Baseballgirl left this note in last night's gamethread recap. —danmerqury

"During the game, AN learned that a recent MRI on Daric Barton revealed a torn labrum in his right shoulder. We have had this confirmed by a source outside the A's organization. This could explain the unexplainable this season; this injury would have absolutely reduced Barton's power, would explain his discomfort at the plate, as well as his troubles with his throwing arm. The injury will likely require surgery and 4-8 months of recovery time. A second opinion is forthcoming. It will likely end his 2011 season, but could put him back with the A's by Spring Training of next year."

Daric Barton finally received a medical opinion for the persistent pain and weakness in his shoulders last Thursday.  Results from an MRI performed on his right shoulder revealed a torn labrum.  Apparently his left shoulder bothers him and he will have that one looked at as well.  In the interim, he is headed to LA to see Dr. Yocum, whom has looked at his films, to discuss options.  Barton has allegedly complained of pain, discomfort and weakness in his shoulders for months and has been receiving treatment for his problems since the Minnesota series in April. 

This information certainly explains Barton's season in it's entirety.  Why the diagnosis wasn't made by the Athletic's staff remains to be seen. 

I feel badly for Daric and wish him the best along with a speedy recovery and hope the A's remedy their problem.

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Dang, tough break for Barton

Hopefully he can get right eventually. Hope he doesn’t go down the Travis Buck path.

by OkayJay81 on Jul 25, 2011 9:28 PM PDT reply actions  

"Go down the Buck path..."

…and take to the booze? I thought Daric gave up drinking after the swimming pool incident a couple all-star breaks back.

In all seriousness, let’s hope he gets back to full strength for 2011. As to why this wasn’t diagnosed by the A’s med staff, who knows? If Daric was getting treatment in Oakland, why the hell wasn’t he MRI’d by our big league staff? Sigh…

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by RyanFromBonas on Jul 25, 2011 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

The med staff seems blah.

Everybody has been on the DL the past few years. But I agree with you, I love to see Barton play and I hope he has a strong 2012 campaign.

by callenmoore on Jul 25, 2011 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

That really would explain a lot, I think

Hopefully he has a complete recovery and can get back to doing what he did in 2010.

Where did you see the news, though? I’m not finding it anywhere. A link would be useful.

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by Flashfire on Jul 25, 2011 9:36 PM PDT reply actions  

It's true (at least the MRI results)

We’ve had it confirmed today by a source outside the A’s organization.

"Oh who am I kidding? The A's and Giants could stage a pillow fight, and I'd still care who wins." -67Marquez

by baseballgirl on Jul 25, 2011 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

And now we have it in triplicate

I don't feel that I'm feeling your feelings, about these feelings that you feel.

by doctorK on Jul 25, 2011 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmm...

We were supposed to scoop this story after the game tonight.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 25, 2011 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow

A torn labrum and they couldn’t diagnose it earlier? I mean I guess he has an insane pain tolerance level or something, because having known people with torn labrums before they knew something was seriouisly wrong when it happened….I mean really the only way I can look at this is either (1) his pain tolerance is insanely high or (2) our medical staff is still god awful, I mean laughably horrific at their jobs.
DISCLAIMER: I’ve never had a torn labrum before but have had 2 friends that did and I wouldn’t call either of them “bitches” or people with a low pain tolerance…and they knew right away that something was seriously wrong and were diagnosed very quickly.

Kiper+Fosse=Mute

by CorpseOfChavez on Jul 25, 2011 9:44 PM PDT reply actions  

I guess it's harder than falling off a log

probably one of those things that depends on the severity, location, and symptoms.

by MobiusKlein on Jul 25, 2011 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've had some shoulder issues

never a torn labrum, but even though I wasn’t in tons of pain, my doctor told me it was possible there was a labrum problem. I’ve also known people with torn labrums who were in constant, serious pain. So I think it does depend on the individual injury.

I wonder if it’s related to his weightlifting in the offseason?

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Jul 26, 2011 6:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

I had a full Labrum surgery 2 years ago

and for a non athlete, a 50 year old, it meant I could not swing a golf club for 12 months. Brutal rehad but for Barton or any world class athlete I would imagine it would take considerably less time to rehab that me.

Baja been here

by bajablue on Jul 26, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

then again

many would say you couldn’t swing a golf club before so what’s the difference

kidding of course

by heartstopper on Jul 26, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

Just read this and – so true. Only difference is that my arm doesn’t hurt while I’m playing poorly.

Baja been here

by bajablue on Aug 12, 2011 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

i had a frayed labrum 2 years ago

and that was bad enough that i couldn’t throw without pain. i definitely knew something was wrong and it wasn’t even a full tear

by rojowop on Jul 26, 2011 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm gonna do die now.

kthanksbye

Someday her tombstone will read,
"Here Lies MissOakland Barton. Hot baseball wife, beloved friend, defender of aprons." --Kyli

by MissOakland on Jul 25, 2011 9:44 PM PDT reply actions  

go*

See, I can’t even type under this kind of stress!

Someday her tombstone will read,
"Here Lies MissOakland Barton. Hot baseball wife, beloved friend, defender of aprons." --Kyli

by MissOakland on Jul 25, 2011 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Relax, MO

Have Daric bring you a margarita.

i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72

by Tutu-late on Jul 26, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

He has two shoulders, right?

He needs to stop being a wuss.

i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72

by Tutu-late on Jul 26, 2011 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

If he wants to have a future, he needs to take care of MO.

i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72

by Tutu-late on Jul 26, 2011 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yea, but you read the report. They scanned one shoulder, and they might look at the other one too.

He’s a mess. Who is going to rub cocoa butter on his abs now? If only there were someone who was willing to take the bullet on that one…….

by LoneStranger on Jul 26, 2011 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

"Daric, The Black Knight"?

i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72

by Tutu-late on Jul 26, 2011 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

why not a whole body scan?

why wait till his shoulders are good to find out he has a bad hip or knee or something else

by asfansince1989 on Jul 26, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

because those often don't have the resolution to find anything useful, such as torn tendons or ligaments

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"So you're saying we should skin the Rangers and wear them as uniforms? I’m down." - Kyli

by cuppingmaster on Jul 26, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

but the scan showed the bad shoulder, so which is it, useful or not?

I would be horrified to find out if the A’s medical staff are also thinking “it probably won’t show anything so lets not waste the money to scan him”

by asfansince1989 on Jul 26, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think he was refering to "a whole body scan"

as opposed to an area specific scan.

i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72

by Tutu-late on Jul 26, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

this

thanks Tutu

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by cuppingmaster on Jul 26, 2011 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I just had one to scan my bad knee.

The headphones didn’t fit well, and MAN is that machine loud!!!!

i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72

by Tutu-late on Jul 26, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Clink-clunk! Clink-clunk! Clink-Clunk!

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by Nick on Jul 26, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

There are open style ones?

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by elcroata on Jul 26, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, The one I was in, was about 3' long.

The inside was just as tight, but you don’t get the claustrophobic feeling.

i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72

by Tutu-late on Jul 26, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

No, it's like a KAAAAAANNNGGG!!!!!!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 26, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

ooh!

But what’s that light for?

i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72

by Tutu-late on Jul 26, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's to distract the dog so he won't molest the mechanic

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 26, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd be more concerned with the mechanic molesting my dog.

i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72

by Tutu-late on Jul 26, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

We're losing our deflector shield.

Go strap yourself in, I’m going to make the jump to light speed.

by LoneStranger on Jul 26, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

No way! I just saw some dweeb sabotage your flux capacitor

i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72

by Tutu-late on Jul 26, 2011 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm hungry.

Can I have one of those cinnamon buns, Leila?

i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72

by Tutu-late on Jul 26, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

A full body scan is not a focused MRI with contrast fluid

I had a contrast MRI on my shoulder. I was lying in the machine for probably 30 minutes, at least, maybe a bit longer. For one shoulder. And even that kind of study can miss a lot of stuff in your shoulder, apparently.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Jul 26, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

OK, so I misunderstood that MRI with this kind of precision can not be done on a whole body

still begs to question why have the A’s waited this long to do this MRI? and why is it even still just in plans to scan the other shoulder? what a cheap ass organization!

by asfansince1989 on Jul 26, 2011 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Most sore shoulders are just sore shoulders

That’s why.

"Once you go Bed....everything else is dead." - Bed
"So you're saying we should skin the Rangers and wear them as uniforms? I’m down." - Kyli

by cuppingmaster on Jul 26, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's definitely frustrating

though it really depends on what the orthopedist said, I’d imagine. I’d be shocked if the doc said, “I want an MRI with contrast to figure this out” and the A’s said, “No, that’s too expensive, we won’t pay for it.” IIRC from my shoulder stuff, the labrum is really hard to image successfully. Maybe his symptoms didn’t fit the diagnosis of a labrum tear, and they decided to have Barton work with a physical therapist to strengthen the muscles.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Jul 26, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

this.

Someday her tombstone will read,
"Here Lies MissOakland Barton. Hot baseball wife, beloved friend, defender of aprons." --Kyli

by MissOakland on Jul 26, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Always looking out for you, MO

i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72

by Tutu-late on Jul 26, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I appreciate it

Someday her tombstone will read,
"Here Lies MissOakland Barton. Hot baseball wife, beloved friend, defender of aprons." --Kyli

by MissOakland on Jul 26, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's broken.

Someday her tombstone will read,
"Here Lies MissOakland Barton. Hot baseball wife, beloved friend, defender of aprons." --Kyli

by MissOakland on Jul 26, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Where is this from?

Some kind of link is required, or this thread should be deleted.

I don't feel that I'm feeling your feelings, about these feelings that you feel.

by doctorK on Jul 25, 2011 9:50 PM PDT reply actions  

It's true.

There’s no link. Around 5 people know about it.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 25, 2011 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

We happen to be two of them ;-)

I can promote it after the game recap.

"Oh who am I kidding? The A's and Giants could stage a pillow fight, and I'd still care who wins." -67Marquez

by baseballgirl on Jul 25, 2011 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK, thanks

It just seems suspicious that a new user makes such a post two days after joining and does not provide any source material.

I don't feel that I'm feeling your feelings, about these feelings that you feel.

by doctorK on Jul 25, 2011 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

Barton, Nico, BBG, medicalwunder and Yocum, right?

Did you guys tell it to Billy Beane yet?

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by elcroata on Jul 26, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Like billy beane worries about trite information like that.

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by thewhizkid on Jul 26, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

He hasn't called me lately.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 26, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

IT'S INSIDE INFORMATION THAT YOU CANNOT BE TOLD ABOUT. YET.

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by mikev on Jul 25, 2011 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Heh

Well, you know – new poster, no previous posts. The news made sense but it was something that definitely needed some kind of verification and we’ve got it now.

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by Flashfire on Jul 25, 2011 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

It actually was!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 25, 2011 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

blue horseshoe loves anacott steel

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by stm72 on Jul 25, 2011 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

You once told me,

don’t get emotional about the A’s training staff…The bid is 1 torn labrum, going up, as your broker I advise you to take it….

Kiper+Fosse=Mute

by CorpseOfChavez on Jul 25, 2011 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dump it.

"Hello and welcome to another wonderful and frightening night of A's baseball." - Gaijin_Suketto

by EddieVegas_NRAF on Jul 26, 2011 6:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wait a minute.

You go either way?

i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72

by Tutu-late on Jul 26, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, your Greek is as good as your Latin.

Did you notice the glazed look come over my eyes by the third word?

When you say “derivative are your friend”, does that include poppy plants?

i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72

by Tutu-late on Jul 27, 2011 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Should end his season.

Probably not a long term thing though for a 1B, right? Coco had a torn labrum in June of 2009 and it didn’t cost him any time in 2010. We can be optimistic about him going forward again?

by BWH on Jul 25, 2011 10:00 PM PDT reply actions  

This is actually good news.

Nice to know his struggles have an explanation other than “he forgot how to hit.”

Let’s assume Barton can get back to being the .270/.380/.400 Daric Barton we knew last season, with stellar D. Suzuki back at catcher, Barton Weeks Pennington Sizemore sounds like a perfectly serviceable infield for less than $2.5 million. That’s actually a pretty good, very cheap 5 guys. A healthy and productive Barton fills an enormous hole for the 2012 A’s.

by BWH on Jul 25, 2011 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

and the team will be on pace to lose 90+ games again.

Other than Weeks, I have no confidence that our 2012 IFs will hit an average of .250.

by EstadosUnidos on Jul 25, 2011 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love cheap 5 guys

Best burger in town

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by A'sFanDFW on Jul 26, 2011 6:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Aa a person, I wish him well. As a baseball player,

I could care less about when he will be 100% again. A 1B with average hitting and no power, they are about a dime a dozen of them in the minor leagues.

by EstadosUnidos on Jul 25, 2011 10:36 PM PDT reply actions  

2 posts, 19 comments

Not worth it.

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Jul 26, 2011 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

recd

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by hero66 on Jul 25, 2011 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

So if you could care less

then how much exactly do you care? Because you must care to some extent if it’s possible for you to care less about when Barton will be healthy again.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Jul 26, 2011 6:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

And how much less could you care?

-Ray Fosse

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 26, 2011 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

How does it feel, knowing that you care care somewhat, but that you could still care less

and knowing that the manager is going to put you in a position where you can feel like you have an opportunity to slow things down, think about how much you care, and then knowing what you know, care to the best of your abilities?

by Glorious Mundy on Jul 26, 2011 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

You know, Ray, it feels great

knowing that the manager is going to put me in a position where I can feel like I have an opportunity to slow things down, think about how much I care, and then knowing what I know, care to the best of my abilities.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 26, 2011 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's Fosse's cover

How great does it feel
To treat me like you do knowing that it feels great to treat me that way

by Glorious Mundy on Jul 26, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wrong

My care-o-meter is faulty, and bottoms out at 2.1
I tried caring zero, and it didn’t work.

by MobiusKlein on Jul 26, 2011 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I fucking hate our medical staff

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

http://www.domingobeisbol.com/

by hero66 on Jul 25, 2011 11:30 PM PDT reply actions   4 recs

They better not fuck Brett Anderson up any worse.

Just give him back to me 100% opening day 2013. That’s all I ask.

by BWH on Jul 25, 2011 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

one of the first thing the new warriors owners did was fire the trainer and get some better medical people. new warrior owners are not cheap people where as the old owner seemed very cheap. that could be the same problem here with the a’s.

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jul 26, 2011 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

And didn't bother to hire a good one?

Someday her tombstone will read,
"Here Lies MissOakland Barton. Hot baseball wife, beloved friend, defender of aprons." --Kyli

by MissOakland on Jul 26, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

They are complying with the new healthplan rules.

i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72

by Tutu-late on Jul 26, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did they upgrade to Kaiser?

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by YonYonson on Jul 26, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kevorkian "Wholelife" plan

i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72

by Tutu-late on Jul 26, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually, I heard someone (I can't remember if it was one of the broadcasters or what)

saying how Papparesta (the new trainer) was really well-organized and the players liked him. I don’t know what to think about this whole Barton thing.

"Once you go Bed....everything else is dead." - Bed
"So you're saying we should skin the Rangers and wear them as uniforms? I’m down." - Kyli

by cuppingmaster on Jul 26, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

He actually got offered the head job at a university and left

Whether he was told to look for another job is a whole other story.

by Athletix Man on Jul 26, 2011 10:33 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

They are total fucking MORONS

Add Management to that for allowing it to continue to happen.

Employ people who know what the fuck they are doing.

by Trainman on Jul 26, 2011 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is Homer J Simpson running

Our medical staff. seriously the A’s need to do something this is unacceptable for a pro team.

Hopelessness is better than false hope

by sfniners4life on Jul 25, 2011 11:34 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Hi, Dr. Nick!

"If you wrote something for which someone sent you a check, if you cashed the check and it didn't bounce, and if you then paid the light bill with the money, I consider you talented." —Stephen King

by YonYonson on Jul 26, 2011 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dr. Spaceman?

"Hello and welcome to another wonderful and frightening night of A's baseball." - Gaijin_Suketto

by EddieVegas_NRAF on Jul 26, 2011 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Rivercats placed Barton on the 7 day DL

On July 18. Then on July 22 Jane Lee Tweeted, “Daric Barton is on the DL in Sacramento because of some left shoulder soreness. He isn’t expected to be out long.”

Note that Jane refers to the left shoulder.

As far as I remember this post is the first mention of a right shoulder issue.

by OaklandSi on Jul 25, 2011 11:39 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Yeah, if Barton never complained it's hard to put this entirely on the medical staff

You generally respond to symptoms, not to low batting lines.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 26, 2011 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

If he never complained, then f**k him. seriously...

Going out there in such a diminished capacity and hurting the team is a bad bad thing.

"I wouldn't honestly be surprised if there was a Derek-Jeter’s-d**k-shaped Popsicle concession at Yankee Stadium."- emperor nobody

by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 26, 2011 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but if he felt no actual pain what was he going to say?

“No power? This isn’t normal!!!! Well, it is but…”

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 26, 2011 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Uh oh.

I’m from Castro Valley ….

Someday her tombstone will read,
"Here Lies MissOakland Barton. Hot baseball wife, beloved friend, defender of aprons." --Kyli

by MissOakland on Jul 26, 2011 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

That makes 1 out of everyone

Someday her tombstone will read,
"Here Lies MissOakland Barton. Hot baseball wife, beloved friend, defender of aprons." --Kyli

by MissOakland on Jul 27, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

what do you mean "never complained"?!

“Barton has allegedly complained of pain, discomfort and weakness in his shoulders for months and has been receiving treatment for his problems since the Minnesota series in April. "

by asfansince1989 on Jul 26, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, sorry, didn't see that.

I was distracted by the unrelenting misuse of apostrophes.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 26, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Poor Daric. :( :(

I wish him well and an excellent recovery — hopefully this IS the cause of his problems this season and he can come back from it strong. And that knowing will give him some peace of mind about his game and the fact that his limb probably felt like it was falling off.

That said, the FUCK A’s medical staff. Seriously. Best change the org could ever make would be a serious overhaul on any person that touches the damn players because sweet Isis, this is the kind of thing that should be… y’know… noticeable. “HEY GUYZ MY ARM IS FALLING OFF.” “No it’s not, rub some dirt on it.” [splat] “Um, my limb is now on the floor.” “Lies.”

"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on Jul 25, 2011 11:57 PM PDT reply actions  

no free agent would want to sign with a lame medical staff

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jul 26, 2011 12:07 AM PDT reply actions  

Or to put it another way:

Beltre is currently on the DL with a hamstring injury. You think he’s glad he’s under TEX’s medical care right now rather than OAK’s?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 26, 2011 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

He has Nelson Cruz to talk about hamstring DLs

2011 Oakland Athletics: We have Cy Young pitchers and make yours look like it, too

by elcroata on Jul 26, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Did not the A's fire their medical staff after last season and replace with another group?

This sounds just as bad/inattentive.

That said, there have been some visible differences in how they’ve handled injuries this year. More direct: straight to the DL often (exception: Willingham); less BS minimizing the problems?

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by justANotherAsFan on Jul 26, 2011 12:20 AM PDT reply actions  

Suzuki hasn't thrown anybody out since, what, 2009?

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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 26, 2011 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

yesterday, but he did miss one.

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jul 26, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

actuall at the beginning of the season

he threw out something like 15 of 37. that seems sooo loooonng ago

by heartstopper on Jul 26, 2011 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I still think left-handed catchers would be great at throwing out guys trying to steal 2nd.

A better angle.

Now, guys trying to steal 3rd? Not so much…

Srsly, mostly what’s wrong with Suzuki’s throws is they mostly go to the 3rd base side of 2nd…

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by justANotherAsFan on Jul 26, 2011 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

And often to the "home plate side" as well.

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by Nico on Jul 26, 2011 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let's play on a Little League field

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by Tutu-late on Jul 27, 2011 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

better angle? how so?

Seems most hitters are RH, therefore a RH catcher doesn’t have a human partially in his way.

by echerrst on Jul 27, 2011 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

If the probelm is cheap management vs the medical staff

I’m imagining this conversation:

Doc: “Barton is complaining of some pain and discomfort, should we give him the works?”

Management: “How much would that cost?”

Doc: “A shit load”

Management: “Buy him a bag of ice then”

by asfansince1989 on Jul 26, 2011 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

they stand to lose a lot more paying a shitty player to play than the cost of an MRI

Also they would probably want to do MRIs to collect insurance money in the event someone is actually injured. I think the financial incentives work towards doing the tests.

by Billy Frijoles on Jul 26, 2011 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

This, exactly.

The whole “teh A’s don’t wanna spend money on medical stuff” is kinda stupid.

Now, they might be spending money on BAD medical stuff, but that’s a whole other story.

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They got a great deal on stuff at the Medieval Museum Auction

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by Tutu-late on Jul 26, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey kinda OT Michael Taylor and Grant Green both homered tonight

Taylor is now hitting .287/.366/.484 in 59 games at AAA. So that’s kinda positive, that we’ll see him next week probably.

by BWH on Jul 26, 2011 1:08 AM PDT reply actions  

That's good to hear about Taylor

Hopefully he has a better showing than Carter. I don’t expect the top prospects to come up and be like Weeks right away, but gives us some flashes of brilliance now and again, please. I NEED OPTIMISM

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by darooster on Jul 26, 2011 3:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

His AAA OPS is now just 12 points lower

than Jemile’s was before he was called up. Little more slugging, little less OBP. Maybe he’s back. For all the talk about him being old for his level, he’s only 13 months older than Weeks, and he had every bit the pedigree as a prospect (maybe even more).

by BWH on Jul 26, 2011 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sweet.

I could definitely live with .260/.350/.430 or even a little lower. This lineup needs some pop.

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by darooster on Jul 27, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Glad that he's heated back up

hope one of the OFers gets traded and we give him a look.

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by hero66 on Jul 26, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

How do you not diagnose a TORN SHOULDER LABRUM?

Seems like an awfully drastic injury to go undiagnosed for half a season. I would think at least Daric would recognize the pain was so significant and wonder if it was something serious. I mean, I’ve had a bruise on my abdomen and I’ve had a cracked rib, and there was NO QUESTION which one hurt worse. Surely he must have felt enough pain where he had to realize it was a bad injury.

If he simply tried to tough it out and the reason it went undiagnosed was his fault, that’s just a damn shame. I’ve never understood why sometimes players hide injuries from the medical staff. I understand why the 25th man on the major league roster might do it, but Barton had a good enough 2010 not to worry about losing his job because of injury.

If I were an injured player, I’d just go to the medical staff and find out the extent of it. Then I’d ask, “Will it get worse if I play through it? No? Well then give me something for the pain and hand me my glove.”

Anyway, it is still good to hear that his shitty 2011 might have a legit explanation. If so, I will be happy to welcome him back in 2012 and hope he goes back to something closer to 2010 Barton.

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by darooster on Jul 26, 2011 3:47 AM PDT reply actions  

At least publicly, Barton claimed he was healthy

In interview with both CT and Tittle he discarded injury as a cause of his poor play. Of course, we don’t know what he said to the training staff or team doctor.

by OaklandSi on Jul 26, 2011 4:31 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I understand why players don't publicly say they're injured

Because they don’t want to give the opposition any information they can exploit. But I hope he was honest with the medical staff.

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by darooster on Jul 26, 2011 4:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

My understanding is that you can have a tear without feeling pain,

so it can sap your ability without being overtly symptomatic. If that’s true, not sure if the A’s medical staff is so culpable on this one. Though you wonder if “monthly MRIs for everyone!” might actually be a worthwhile expense for a team.

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by Nico on Jul 26, 2011 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Radiation is the new undervalued commodity

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by Nico on Jul 26, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Seizure?

Or, barely knewar. Or, as my dad would say, Caesar yourself, you brought her.

Losing this team would be a huge failure for this city and an affront to Oakland’s great sports legacy.

by skigurl on Jul 26, 2011 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Assuming you mean Julius Caesar,

historians are split on that. He definitely had seizures, but it’s not at all clear that they were epileptic. See sources cited at the wikipedia article.

Caligula and Claudius are also believed by some to have had epilepsy.

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by iglew on Jul 26, 2011 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

MRIs don't involve radiation in the usual sense.

CT scans use radiation, as do plain x-rays. MRIs use magnetic imaging, not ionizing radiation, the kind that shrinks your testicles and does all kinds of other nasty stuff to you.

Losing this team would be a huge failure for this city and an affront to Oakland’s great sports legacy.

by skigurl on Jul 26, 2011 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

It’s basically a giant supercooled magnet that hits you with a huge magnetic field. Not radiation, in the green glowing sense.

by danmerqury on Jul 26, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Which is why we need to hope that Barton's AN nickname is inaccurate in this case...

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by Nick on Jul 26, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

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by stm72 on Jul 26, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Barton Was Injured?

That explains a lot.
Still, how could the medical staff miss a torn labrum?

by Jason James on Jul 26, 2011 3:55 AM PDT reply actions  

I read on an orthopedic site

(sorry, can’t grab the link w/my phone) that it can be difficult to see some labrum tears, even with an MRI. Also, the pain may sometimes not be felt.

Besides that, there can be other explanations for shoulder discomfort. We don’t know how much Barton complained, nor how much pain he felt. I’m not excusing the A’s staff, especially since they have replaced many of them.

by OaklandSi on Jul 26, 2011 5:21 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

I don't know if I believe the logic

I mean sure his power may have been affected by that injury but those horrendous ugly can’t swing the bat plate appearances- nah….. Barton was obviously having trouble seeing the ball during his tenure with the A’s this year and he had some downright ugly ass swings. I hope they can repair his torn labrum and I wish him well, but I don’t think that can be the blame for his 2011 dump.

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by greenmachine on Jul 26, 2011 4:58 AM PDT reply actions  

LOL

Not “ha ha” funny, I know, but only in Oakland could a torn labrum be completely missed for months. DeJesus probably has a gangrenous limb, which will only be discovered after someone finally realizes that Matsui doesn’t actually smell that bad.

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by jeepers on Jul 26, 2011 6:11 AM PDT reply actions  

from what I've read it's actually fairly common to miss a torn labrum in the shoulder

particularly the so-called SLAP tear, which happens a lot to baseball players. Apparently, it’s not always considered to affect offensive production, as the Orioles have indicated with Luke Scott’s recently revealed shoulder labrum tear.

by OaklandSi on Jul 26, 2011 6:25 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

according to the article he will wait until the offseason to get surgery

I’m certainly not going to defend Scott’s performance. It’s the Orioles who reportedly feel that the tear hasn’t affected his offensive production (in other words, they think it would be about the same even without the tear).

by OaklandSi on Jul 26, 2011 6:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sounds like that was a bad idea.

Since he’s now likely to be non-tendered and miss out on a significant offseason payday.

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by jeepers on Jul 26, 2011 6:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Frankly, unless I am there, in person, to witness his surgery

I refuse to believe that he had it done.

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by mikev on Jul 26, 2011 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

This actually seems to leave more questions than answers

It’s not as simple as “oh, now he’s going to be another 4 WAR player next year.” There’s no question his approach at the plate changed, and he made some really awkward looking plays in the field, and his swing turned into a massive upper cut. I don’t think all of that can be explained by a torn labrum.

That said, I hope he does go back to being the least-flashy 4-5 WAR player in the league.

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by cuppingmaster on Jul 26, 2011 7:04 AM PDT reply actions  

Sure there are questions

But, you cannot discount the fact that a shoulder injury, which requires surgery, would not have had direct/indirect consequences on his performance. Was he worried about the lack of power and thus over swinging or swinging with the upper cut? Did he target balls in a specific location because they enabled him to put a better swing on the ball?

by echerrst on Jul 26, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

We don't know exactly how long he's had the injury, though

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by Nick on Jul 26, 2011 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

He had the upper cut when he first came up

And yeah, what Nick said: who knows if this just cropped up or if he even had any significant pain earlier.

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by cuppingmaster on Jul 26, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

so...did barton never tell anyone about the pain?

if so, he’s an idiot. we lost a young pitcher (dan meyer) to this kind of stupidity before. if he told the staff and they never bothered checking it out, than it is yet another indictment against our medical staff. i suspect it’s a little of both, but the latter is hard to deny at this point, given all the problems we’ve had. honestly, beane needs to really think about some serious changes throughout the organization on the training/medical staff.

by guy incognito on Jul 26, 2011 7:16 AM PDT reply actions  

No comparison

He’ll miss 2-3 weeks MAX (most likely less). Not a big deal.

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by cuppingmaster on Jul 26, 2011 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

The comparison: Why can't we have nice things?

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by Nico on Jul 26, 2011 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Do you think the Nats were crapping in their shorts when Strasburg went down and had to have TJS?

They had a real expensive nice thing that could have gone south in a hurry.

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by Tutu-late on Jul 26, 2011 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

fuck yes they were

But I think they crapped in their last week when they saw Jayson Werth’s paycheck and then looked at Fangraphs.

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by cuppingmaster on Jul 26, 2011 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

hehehe

Ooooooh, yeah!

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by Tutu-late on Jul 26, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

You don't schedule those

You need to sneak up on the person.

Er…So I’ve heard.

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by Nico on Jul 26, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

One possible explanation.

We’ve heard horror stories before about medical staffs; the worst being the J.R. Richard misdiagnosis. But Rickey Henderson often pulled himself out of games if he wasn’t 100% on the grounds that he couldn’t do his job properly, and he was raked over the coals for being a wuss.

From the care we’ve seen with Willingham this year, and Ellis also, it seems that the medical staff is being very careful and very cautious. My guess is that Barton had good days and bad days, and probably refused to consider that the problem was anything other than his own inability to get comfortable on the field.

There’s one other possibility which absolves everyone of blame: the labrum tear could have been painless but could have thrown Barton’s game off completely, and it was only with time and further tearing, that the pain became noticeable and the medical staff was consulted.

I’m still convinced that Wuertz isn’t healthy.

by richwol1 on Jul 26, 2011 7:58 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Wuertz looked better yesterday

But yeah, wouldn’t surprise me if he had elbow issues

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by cuppingmaster on Jul 26, 2011 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

This
the labrum tear could have been painless but could have thrown Barton’s game off completely, and it was only with time and further tearing, that the pain became noticeable and the medical staff was consulted.

is a legitimate possibility that we should at least consider.

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by Nico on Jul 26, 2011 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Either way Barton is a useless player

That’s too bad that he is hurt, but either way Barton is a useless player. Either he’s a player with just horrible skills. Essentially a “zero tools” player (can’t run, can’t field, can’t hit, no power). Or Barton is so selfish and has such ego that he’d gladly play extremely poorly hurt, dragging the team down with him, and not tell anyone what the problem is. Either way he’s not worth a roster spot, even on a minor league team imho.

by BrianJ12 on Jul 26, 2011 8:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Frankly, I think he should be banished to a desert island.

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by mikev on Jul 26, 2011 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Better yet, a dessert island

and we can put in orders.

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by Nico on Jul 26, 2011 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

MO stands to make a fortune.

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by Tutu-late on Jul 26, 2011 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

I could use a fortune

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by MissOakland on Jul 26, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Trolling

You’re doing it wrong.

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by nevermoor on Jul 26, 2011 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

Love!

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by paris7 on Jul 26, 2011 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Heh

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by elcroata on Jul 26, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

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by stm72 on Jul 26, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've decided that Barton's true talent level is probably around

.270/.360/.400 with very good defense but a few too many errors. That’s a solid player and I hope he can return to that form.

I’d also like the A’s to look for more from 1B going forward, as I’m one of those naive weirdos who believes you need to get power/slugging from somewhere, and that 1B is a place the A’s will need to get it (as they sure won’t be getting much from 2B, SS, or 3B anytime soon).

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by Nico on Jul 26, 2011 8:40 AM PDT reply actions  

If he can get that average up to .290

and add 15 HR’s with good D then that’s Mark Grace numbers and I would take that any day.

Assuming we can bring Andre Dawsom and Ryne Sandberg out of retirement

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by incarnate on Jul 26, 2011 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

And if we had some ham, we would have ham and eggs if we had some eggs.

It will be difficult for Barton to hit .290+ as long as OFs can play him shallow. And 15 HRs is, at this point, not projectable based on anything we actually know or have seen.

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by Nico on Jul 26, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Who projected 50 HR from Jose Bautista before he actually went out and did it?

show of hands?

projections are valuable but not gospel….

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by incarnate on Jul 26, 2011 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, there's something I can sit around and hope for.

Daric Barton, the next coming of Jose Bautista?

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by paris7 on Jul 26, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Heck, I'd get on my knees if Daric could play like Olerud.

(to give thanks only)

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by Tutu-late on Jul 26, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Call me

(oh, never mind)

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by Nico on Jul 26, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

HA!

I was prepared for that one.

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by Tutu-late on Jul 26, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

With knee pads?

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by paris7 on Jul 26, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

SF tennis shoes.

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by Tutu-late on Jul 26, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think there has EVER been someone who went from little HR power

To 55+ HRs over 162 games (and also sustained it — don’t think Brady Anderson or Luis Gonzalez). We are seeing something unprecedented here.

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by cuppingmaster on Jul 26, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sosa?

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by mikev on Jul 26, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sosa was up as a 20-year-old

and his power actually ramped up to a very solid level — basically mid-30s HRs a year — until he suddenly went nuts in 1998 and hit 66.

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by Nick on Jul 26, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

STEROIDS.

oh.. wait.

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by mikev on Jul 26, 2011 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, right.

Like steroids could do that for a player

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by Tutu-late on Jul 26, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Probably the closest

But still not a great comp. Bautista’s HR by year, starting in 2006:

16, 15, 15, 13, 54, 31 (so far)

Sosa, starting in 1993, had some 30 HR seasons. Then he exploded.

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by cuppingmaster on Jul 26, 2011 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

One interesting example is Kirby Puckett

Who was a rinky-dink slap hitter his first two seasons in the majors — a total of 4 HRs in over 1,200 AB’s. Then, in his 3rd season, he hit 31 HRs in 723 ABs. That was his career high, but he wound up hitting 207 HRs in his career.

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by Nick on Jul 26, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

So, you're saying there's hope for Ryan Sweeney?

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by cuppingmaster on Jul 26, 2011 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ha! Hypothetically...

BTW, I just looked at Sweeney’s comps on baseball-reference: his top 4 comps are named Moose, Buster, Buzz, and Tike.

And he’s hit 13 career HRs in 1,566 career ABs, while Puckett had 4 in his first 1,327.

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by Nick on Jul 26, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

(puts him down for 30 HRs next year)

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by cuppingmaster on Jul 26, 2011 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think we'll be contenders

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by Tutu-late on Jul 26, 2011 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I called this one last year. Silly me, two years early.

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by paris7 on Jul 26, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

If he gets fat.

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by mikev on Jul 26, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

This

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by elcroata on Jul 26, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fred McGriff could at least send the A's some Tom Emanski tapes

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by YonYonson on Jul 26, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

this needs to be

green!

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by Athletics fan and runner on Jul 26, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have always thought

that Mark Grace was Barton’s ceiling.

He makes a great ceiling fan impression.

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by Athletics fan and runner on Jul 26, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not a fan.

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by Nico on Jul 26, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

I think 2010 Daric Barton was a legit every day player, but even before he crapped the bed this season it was unrealistic to expect him to repeat it.

by DDroney on Jul 26, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd say doubles and some homers

Though he barely scraped .400 SLG last year, so maybe not.

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by Flashfire on Jul 26, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hitting to all fields = more doubles

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by Nico on Jul 26, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd have put his ceiling higher

In essence, 2010 was his rookie year, his first full year in the majors. As he learned the game, it’s possible the batting average would have gone up, and possibly the power numbers as well, putting him in the same category as someone like Youkilis, or Mike Sweeney in his prime.

But who knows. Barton may wind up as one of baseball’s “what if” players.

by richwol1 on Jul 26, 2011 8:50 AM PDT reply actions  

I think his ceiling is his 2010 season

I also think his 2010 season, as well as his 2008/2011 season, are likely outliers showing both ends of the bell curve. His career to date shows .252/.362/.378 and while I think he can hit for a bit more average and slugging than that, it’s a more reasonable barometer than either extreme.

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by Nico on Jul 26, 2011 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was expecting (hoping) for improvement over 2010

but I wasn’t expecting him to turn into a slugger.

by OaklandSi on Jul 26, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

An improvement over 2010 would be really difficult without adding power.

Of course there’s no law against adding power

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 26, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

His 2010 line was around .273/.395/.405

With 10 HRs. I was expecting perhaps a slightly better average. Good gap to gap hitting is what his game appeared to be when hitting well, so I wasn’t expecting 30 HRs. A Mattingly type, so to speak.

by OaklandSi on Jul 26, 2011 10:15 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Maybe a post-back-surgery Mattingly

Before he messed his back up, Mattingly had a very high BA, lots of HR’s (30+ 3 years in a row, 4 consecutive years of SLG over .500), but not many BBs or Ks.

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by Nick on Jul 26, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

A best case scenario

(which I was not expecting) would be Wade Boggs, who also did not hit many HRs.

by OaklandSi on Jul 26, 2011 11:48 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

He also doesn't hit the ball as hard

Those guys stung line drives more consistently than Barton does. Maybe a new bionic shoulder will help, though.

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by Nico on Jul 26, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Like I said, I was hoping for improvement

In the general direction of those players. He’s 25, so I wasn’t expecting prime time Boggs, Mattingly or even Grace in 2011.

by OaklandSi on Jul 26, 2011 12:09 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yes. Though even guys like Markakis

tend to come up with more of a slugging background than Barton has. The notion of “developing power” is a bit overdone, IMO. Many guys who don’t show power don’t show it because…they don’t gots it.

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by Nico on Jul 26, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

We've all heard for years that someone like

Sweeney would develop power as he got older. But I don’t recall that prediction for Barton.

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I never understood why anyone thought Sweeney

was a good candidate to develop power

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 26, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because that was the type of player we needed.

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by Tutu-late on Jul 26, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

This was my feeling exactly!

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by paris7 on Jul 26, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because he's 6'4" 220

I still think if someone trashed his swing and made him swing for power, he could hit 20 HR a year.

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by cuppingmaster on Jul 26, 2011 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

And as a 21-year-old he hit 13 HRs in 118 games in AAA

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by Nick on Jul 26, 2011 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK but in his 2146 minor league PA

he had 140 XBH. That’s not a power hitter.

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 26, 2011 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yup

His swing is terrible

by echerrst on Jul 26, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

He really doesn't swing at the ball.

It’s more like he is trying to catch the ball with his bat.

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by Tutu-late on Jul 26, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's like Jason Kendall's.

He basically tries to spoon the ball over the third baseman’s head instead of trying to square a pitch up and drive it.

on the rare occasion he squares up and drives a ball out of the park, he doesn’t hit cheap Conor Jackson first row homers, he actually hits them pretty damn good.

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by mikev on Jul 26, 2011 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

We agree 100% on this.

A couple of years ago. I commented on another site, that I wish we could combine Cust and Ryan.

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by Tutu-late on Jul 26, 2011 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

There you go, Mr Negativity.

For defense, I wanted Bugsy to let us use E-Patsy and Cust at the same position. E-Patsy could field the bal, hand it to Jack, and he would throw it in.

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by Tutu-late on Jul 26, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

because he's big

Frank Thomas was among many who thought Sweeney would develop major power.

by OaklandSi on Jul 26, 2011 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's true, but still....

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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 26, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

It could be why Big Frank isn't a scout.

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by Tutu-late on Jul 26, 2011 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry for the joke.

I thought he would become a slugger as well. Especially in late 2010, when Ryan admitted he was just trying to not strickout. I thought that meant he was going to become more aggressive. Boy, was I wrong.

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by Tutu-late on Jul 26, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Look at the guy

anybody would think he was a power hitter. And then you watch him play.

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by MissOakland on Jul 26, 2011 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

This begs the Question:

When are we going to find out Suzuki has shoulder issues as well that prevents him from hitting over .230 and throwing out any bipedal animal that attempts a stolen base on his watch?

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Promote Recker

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by cuppingmaster on Jul 26, 2011 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

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by incarnate on Jul 26, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

from a can't be worse standpoint

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by incarnate on Jul 26, 2011 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

KNEWER

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by mikev on Jul 26, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

well, this explains a good deal

sorry Daric. Hopefully you get well, and one day you will be a nice role player on a good team. I could see him being very useful in a great lineup

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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 26, 2011 10:01 AM PDT reply actions  

Oh shoot,

Gray has an inverted W in his pitching motion.

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by thewhizkid on Jul 26, 2011 10:05 AM PDT reply actions  

here

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/07/25/SPVS1KEKKR.DTL

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by thewhizkid on Jul 26, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

As I understand it, that's not really the suspect motion

his elbows aren’t high enough

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by cuppingmaster on Jul 26, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

ah ok.

i was just curious

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by thewhizkid on Jul 26, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

The A's need an new HMO.

Now I feel bad for being so annoyed that Barton sucked so much.

Someone check Kouzmanoff’s shoulders.

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by EddieVegas_NRAF on Jul 26, 2011 10:06 AM PDT reply actions  

I just checked, and I've confirmed that he still can't lay off a bad slider.

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by Nico on Jul 26, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

from the "for what it is worth" dept

kouz now has 11 HRS (same as taylor) in 2/3 the ABs (155) and is batting 297

by heartstopper on Jul 26, 2011 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Totally OT:

But can someone come up with ideas about how to get Colby Rasmus from the Cardinals? Gio? Andrew Bailey?

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by closetasfan on Jul 26, 2011 10:31 AM PDT reply actions  

Rope. Duct tape. Trunk

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by elcroata on Jul 26, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Well, now that you mention it, Jennifer does live within driving distance of St Louis...

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by Nick on Jul 26, 2011 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, she'll ruin the poor boy before we get him.

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by Tutu-late on Jul 26, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Awesome!

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by paris7 on Jul 26, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great.

Now we just need to find a hardware store and an elephant.

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by Nico on Jul 26, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's all ball-bearings now.

Maybe you need a refresher course.

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by EddieVegas_NRAF on Jul 26, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

seems like his value is dropping

Not sure it would even take that much

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by cuppingmaster on Jul 26, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just reread the original post....

" Barton has allegedly complained of pain, discomfort and weakness in his shoulders for months and has been receiving treatment for his problems since the Minnesota series in April. "

Uh…..

by richwol1 on Jul 26, 2011 11:21 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Right, this is the first we've heard of it

Barton was telling interviewees that he was healthy.

by OaklandSi on Jul 26, 2011 11:25 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Remember ST?

He was in such good shape. I wonder if the increase in muscle mass/decrease in body fat in the off-season was due to some dramatic changes in his conditioning regime, and the changes in the type if weight lifting he did caused the shoulder issues? Just a thought.

by tinez14 on Jul 26, 2011 12:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Was he in "the best shape of his life" in spring training?

Cuz that never happens!

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by Nico on Jul 26, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes!!!!

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by Nico on Jul 26, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Until they have to do things like

hit or catch a baseball, which are harrrrd.

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by Nico on Jul 26, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

seems apropos

From Slusser’s article on sfgate:

The A’s have fewer than three men on the disabled list (two) for the first time since 2006.

!

by DDroney on Jul 26, 2011 1:09 PM PDT reply actions  

So, once again, Willingham has said he wants to stay in Oakland.
Willingham said Monday that he’d consider signing long-term in Oakland, but there have been no discussions. “For sure, I’d be interested,” he said, “but they haven’t talked to us about it. I don’t know what they’re going to do.”

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/07/25/SPER1KENQ2.DTL

Wow.

by danmerqury on Jul 26, 2011 1:11 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

You know, if the A's aren't offered much for him

It might be worthwhile to keep him around for a while.

by OaklandSi on Jul 26, 2011 1:25 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don't think we'll get much for him anyway

Which is why he hasn’t gotten traded yet, IMO.

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by cuppingmaster on Jul 26, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sign him

only about 3 people want to come here. WTF would you trade someone who can hit more bombs than the rest of the current outfield 10 times over.

We have someone reasonable who wants to stay so for the right price, why not

Watch those assholes trade him for another pitcher or for someone who knows how to hit but becomes another .230 hitter in our organization

by Trainman on Jul 26, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

If we are going to let him go, rather get the picks anyway

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by cuppingmaster on Jul 26, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

If nobody wants to trade for him, why would they give up a first round pick to sign him

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by mikev on Jul 26, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Someone will sign him

He’s not going to go unsigned. I just think right now Beane is holding out for the best deal he can get, which right now is a first-round pick from another team.

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by cuppingmaster on Jul 26, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd be totally fine with signing him to a reasonable 3 year deal

As he’s jerked around more and flounders more when given a chance, there’s less and less guarantee that Carter is the A’s “future DH”. And at worst, Willingham would give the A’s a solid DH and middle of the order hitter, whether or not you want him in the OF for the first 6-7 innings of some games.

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by Nico on Jul 26, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

because of his age/injury history don’t like the 3 year deal for an OF but I love it as a DH.

I also can’t believe how much I feel comfy with Matsui in LF

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by incarnate on Jul 26, 2011 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

true... he has played good while there

a little slow but probably faster than willingham.

by heartstopper on Jul 26, 2011 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Definitely agree

Willingham can be a Outfielder/ DH/ possible 1B. He actually wants to stay, and he probably wants the stability more than a fat contract. If Carter can start hitting again, then either Carter or Willingham can play first base and the other one will DH. Does anyone know if Willingham has ever tried to play there?

by Rygoslinglover on Jul 26, 2011 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Very little

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by iglew on Jul 27, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just for this, I want to keep him.

and he’s pretty good but whatever.

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by MissOakland on Jul 26, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

It would be pretty (relatively) cheap to keep him around.

His fielding leaves something to be desired, but I think this year is not representative of his career norms fielding-wise. He’s only 32. A 2-year $15M extension might get it done.

Currently, all 3 OF spots, DH, and 1B are total question marks for next year. Willingham can DH and play OF and is a good player to have in the lineup. Also sets the tone for the other players, that we are building something and not just spinning our wheels continuously.

I think his fielding will improve, his first time in the AL playing in parks he never or rarely played in, it was bound to suck.

by Billy Frijoles on Jul 26, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

His fielding will improve if/when he plays 1-2 steps deeper

Nothing else will help him because he’s “company softball game” level on balls over his head, yet perfectly solid going to his left, right, or in.

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by Nico on Jul 26, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just wonder why prior to this year, playing in FL and DC, not exactly bandboxes, his UZR/year was like -5.5

That’s not terrible, certainly passable. I think a lot of it is going to a bunch of new parks for the first time.

Yeah but you’re right, he does suck going back on balls. I could never imagine him robbing a HR from anyone.

He’s a good hitter, not great. He’s a bad fielder, but not terrible. I am not a super big fan of his overall but I see some positives in bringing him back and I don’t see any real solutions to OF, unless Taylor lights it up in his September call-up.

by Billy Frijoles on Jul 26, 2011 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

i want to see Miller up

who cares about the strikeouts being over 40%… he hits bombs. his slg is over 1.000, he’s got speed for the outfield (13SB, 0 cs) and is a decent fielder (5 Es to taylors 4, miller has more games and presumably more ops).

by heartstopper on Jul 26, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

lets just blame bob geren!!!!!!

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jul 26, 2011 1:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Get fixed Daric

Dropping to .197 does seem like there has to be something wrong. Even if it’s a tough recovery, it might be worse than no explanation at all.

Hope to see you back soon or any time really. We need your D and the O you had.

by 4-6-3 on Jul 26, 2011 2:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Well, that would *definitely* upset MO!

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by Nick on Jul 26, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well, there's fixed and there's "fixed."

One just keeps away the extra puppies without impeding in-game performance.

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by paris7 on Jul 26, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the back-up Nick!

Let’s only fix what is broken

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by MissOakland on Jul 26, 2011 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

by the way

Susan Slusser just talked to Daric, Apparently the tear was just discovered last week, and according to him it’s a small tear, similar to what Pennington played with last season.

It doesn’t sound like the pain had been bad enough for Barton or the A’s to investigate earlier in the season. In fact, he went on the DL last week for discomfort in his left shoulder, not the right shoulder where the tear was discovered

by OaklandSi on Jul 26, 2011 2:35 PM PDT reply actions  

So,

we have the left shoulder soreness to thank for discovery of the real issue? That’s kind of lucky, I guess. :/

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by lynnzgal on Jul 26, 2011 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

That and the fact that A's medical staff can't tell left from right

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by elcroata on Jul 27, 2011 2:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

here's how the convo went.

barton: see, doc, my right shoulder hurts.

medical staff: turn around.

barton: see it hurts here (points at spot on right shoulder)

medical staff: whoa, your left shoulder is hurt too.

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by stm72 on Jul 27, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Medical staff quality

Maybe the tear is small, but isn’t the measure of a good doctor the ability to diagnose complicated problems early? before some body parts actually fall off? MLB season is long, if you start the season with some minor aches and pain, likely it would get a lot worse as the season goes on if you don’t nip it in the bud. Maybe we should only have waited 3 weeks instead of 3 months before we realize the aches and pain is not going away, and needs more serious attention.

Somewhere Geren is thinking “how do the docs still have a job?”

by asfansince1989 on Jul 26, 2011 3:38 PM PDT reply actions  

doesn't change the fact

that Barton has been in pain for 3 months, the pain has not gone away, and the team/docs have not increased their effort to find the root cause until now. For baseball player who needs to be in peak physical condition for 6 months in a year, this 3 month is an unforgivable waste of time.

by asfansince1989 on Jul 26, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

We don't know that he's been "in pain"

For three months. We only know that he’s had some discomfort. We also don’t know what the A’s trainers and doctors have or haven’t done.

by OaklandSi on Jul 26, 2011 4:52 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

don't know that he's in pain?

“Barton has allegedly complained of pain, discomfort and weakness in his shoulders for months and has been receiving treatment for his problems since the Minnesota series in April.”

by asfansince1989 on Jul 26, 2011 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Has been receiving treatment...

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by mikev on Jul 26, 2011 5:58 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Exactly.

The “allegedly” coming from an anonymous user, who created an account two days ago, and doesn’t choose to say how he/she knows what he/she knows. So it’s entirely possible that everything is true, but it’s not clear to the AN community exactly what is true and what is “what a user wants the community to hear and believe.”

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by Nico on Jul 26, 2011 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

erm.. the "allegedly" is the "complained of pain" if that sentence is correct.

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by mikev on Jul 27, 2011 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

"allegedly"

This about a player who has been insisting he was healthy for months. For all we know “treatment” may have been regular massage, which isn’t out of the ordinary or specifically a red flag for injury.

Without more information, my suspicion is that the truth is somewhat in between.

by OaklandSi on Jul 26, 2011 5:58 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Except....

This poster scooped everyone.

Just because a player says and does what’s expected of him in public doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a beef in private. I’d trust the information over what Barton said to Slusser today.

by richwol1 on Jul 26, 2011 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did he scoop everyone because he actually knew it first

or because others were adhering to requests not to publish until after the game?

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by iglew on Jul 27, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think this post should have been deleted and a new one went up,

because obviously this guy just wanted to ‘scoop’ and has made no effort to be a part of the conversation.

by LoneStranger on Jul 27, 2011 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

He still has absolutely zero activity on AN

other than posting this. Weird.

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by iglew on Jul 27, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

weird and a bit suspicious, like someone has an ulterior motive.

by AV on Jul 27, 2011 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

The motive was to "get it published,"

and apparently he couldn’t wait a few hours for BBG to publish it just like she said she would.

Basically, “Hi, could you scoop this story and publish it today…Oh, thanks for taking the time to write something; now I’m going to post something myself a few hours before so all your time was wasted!”

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by Nico on Jul 27, 2011 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

i meant, what’s the motive behind getting it published? but once again, i’m only speculating from the viewers POV and not with inside info.

by AV on Jul 27, 2011 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh I see.

Right.

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by Nico on Jul 27, 2011 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was probably Cindi

Although, she knows better than to use “whom” in such a horrid manner.

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by elcroata on Jul 28, 2011 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wait - whom said you could call her horrid???

Was it Dori? It was Dori, wasn’t it?

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by Nico on Jul 28, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Specifically asked not to be identified

So I’m honoring that, even though I’m incredibly irritated at the way this was done.

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by Nico on Jul 28, 2011 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ugh at what?

I feel “ugh” at this person posting this thread. But I can’t take a source speaking on “condition of anonymity” and throw him/her under the bus. It’s a good way never to get told anything again.

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by Nico on Jul 28, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's more the first part, yes

It comes off like someone just made an account to beat you to the punch in breaking the story.

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by Flashfire on Jul 28, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

but what’s the benefit of scooping something if you can’t put your name on it?

by AV on Jul 28, 2011 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well what happened was that we were approached

and asked to scoop it, so BBG got a post ready to run after the game, and before she could run it…this appeared anyway, in which case why contact us and ask us to write something?

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by Nico on Jul 28, 2011 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmm...Just don't want to get the reputation

for changing the rules on “don’t reveal this…”

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by Nico on Jul 28, 2011 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm assuming so.

Sorry, didn’t realize this wasn’t apparent. As far as I know, the two people are one and the same.

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by Nico on Jul 29, 2011 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Did you ask?

Perhaps this is all a misunderstanding?

by LoneStranger on Jul 29, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

No (it's not my contact)

But I don’t think there was much to misunderstand. I assume it was impatience.

What’s also a bit suspicious, or at least hard to understand, is that the account appears to have been created the day BEFORE baseballgirl was contacted and asked to write and post something.

So…? Why’d you create an account to post this and then contact us asking us to write something…? I guess the misunderstanding could be “Could you post x?” vs. “Is it ok if I post x?” Though the request to BBG seemed purty clear…

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by Nico on Jul 29, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

or it's possible they couldn't find it.

It turns out Brett Anderson’s UCL wasn’t actually torn, it was just stretched super duper thin.

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by mikev on Jul 26, 2011 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

and it's possible that they are incompetent

Are we really going so far to care about hurting the feelings of A’s medical staff at the cost of our player’s health? Do we really want to give our medical staff a 2nd chance, risking some of our players suffering major damage?

Lots of coaches get fired for no reason other than that the players they worked with underperformed. Why would we give such leeway to our medical staff?

by asfansince1989 on Jul 26, 2011 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I doubt anyone here is worried about their feelings

Since the A’s did just do a complete overhaul of the training and medical staff, it seems premature to simply assume that they’re incompetent.

by OaklandSi on Jul 26, 2011 5:55 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Especially since they seem to have done more competent things this year than in years past.

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by Nico on Jul 26, 2011 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not sure if anyone's linked this here yet...

Slusser’s article on this

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by RickeyRun on Jul 27, 2011 8:08 AM PDT reply actions  

Hmmm.

According to trainers’ logs, Beane said, Barton received treatment for three days and said the shoulder was better. He was logged in for shoulder exercises six times between May 6 and May 17 and reported that the shoulder improved as a result, and then the team did not hear anything else about it until just recently.

Beane said he has an e-mail from the training staff showing there had been an extra effort to get Barton in for shoulder exercises, but Barton did not comply.

“A trainer who has 25 guys to work on isn’t going to go drag one away from his iPad if he doesn’t bother to come in,” Beane said. “When a player clears himself from the trainer’s room, the assumption is he’s fine.”

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by EddieVegas_NRAF on Jul 27, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

The truth of it is there's only so much time the trainer (or trainers) have to work on people

I can tell you that from having spoken to someone not too long ago, he told me he had so many nagging little injuries he could take up an hour of the trainer’s time, easy, but there just isn’t enough time to go around for that and be able to tend to everybody else who’s got something bothering them.

I think this is a big part of why you see so many people just try to tough things out and play through pain.

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by Flashfire on Jul 27, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I really don't know how it is everywhere, but there might even just be assistants who do taping. Not sure.

Around the ballpark, some time is limited. If you have just six people that need half an hour of treatment apiece, that’s three hours eaten up right there. If someone can’t be taking care of things like that “in house” then you have to send them somewhere away from the ballpark and that also adds time to everything.

Standard disclaimer: I could be way off on the example, but it’s not like each player has a personal trainer whose focus is only that person.

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by Flashfire on Jul 27, 2011 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it boils down to the players talking to the assistants,

Assistants talking to Department Heads/Manager, and THEM talking to BB. I find it real strange that this organization continually has communication issues.

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by Tutu-late on Jul 27, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Considering the issues we often have with people on the team I help oversee as part of my job...

…communication issues don’t really surprise me any more. Disappointing, though.

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by Flashfire on Jul 27, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

WIthout a doubt.

Surprise is one thing, but management leaders like Nolan Ryan seem to be able to correct issues before they fester. For example Michael Young’s role the last two years. BB doesn’t appear to be on top of it here. That is too bad.

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by Tutu-late on Jul 27, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I loved your photos, FF!

I don’t have a facebook account, so I had to wait for the Mrs to come home. I’m REALLY glad he didn’t hurt himself with that jump. You guys would never let me forget that. I still think some team is going to steal him in the offseason.

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by Tutu-late on Jul 27, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Heh, yeah

I did post more here, too. And thanks.

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by Flashfire on Jul 27, 2011 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

this is clearly on Barton, the guy clearly didn't want to put in the time to rehab the shoulder

Beane said he has an e-mail from the training staff showing there had been an extra effort to get Barton in for shoulder exercises, but Barton did not comply.

Chris Carter is the next Hank Aaron right?

by streetisclosedin08 on Jul 27, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Reading the latest from Slusser above

and that’s on Barton this time and not the medical staff. He’s where he is now because he kept kept his trap shut.

Barton, who had told reporters while in Oakland that there was no physical component to his slump, said in a follow-up text message to The Chronicle that he did the shoulder exercises once per series but did not feel they were helping.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/07/26/SPNB1KF8OB.DTL#ixzz1TLbmPIeO

by Trainman on Jul 27, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

this is now more worriesome than the actual injury and diagnose/treatment process

the front office, medical staff, and Barton all pointing fingers at each other, throwing each others under the bus.

Way to go guys, this is a sure fire winning formula

by asfansince1989 on Jul 27, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

FWIW

When I tore my labrum (in a high speed crash while skiing) I initially thought I had broken my shoulder. Once I was able to collect myself do a self assessment, I figured that since I could move my shoulder I hadn’t broken it, but it was sore. I iced and took a lot of aleve and finished out the ski season, but my shoulder never really felt right, and over time I began to have increased pain, loss of strength and loss of range of motion. I finally went to see a shoulder specialist — nine months later — who was very surprised I had waited so long to see a doctor. Anyway, he was pretty certain what the problem was even before the I had the confirming MRI. He also told me I could pass on the surgery but my shoulder would not get better unless I had the surgery. I had the surgery (repair with a couple of screws and tighten up the capsule) and spent months rehabbing my shoulder. It’s been a year now and it’s finally beginning to feel better than it did prior to having the surgery.

I suppose my point is, based on my experience, It is not unreasonable to think that one can tear their labrum and not realize for awhile that the shoulder problem is more than just the kind of aches and pains one might encounter as an athlete.

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