Daric Barton - Season finished before it really got started?
Note: I'm promoting this post to the front page, since Barton discussion will most likely be the topic of the day. Baseballgirl left this note in last night's gamethread recap. —danmerqury
"During the game, AN learned that a recent MRI on Daric Barton revealed a torn labrum in his right shoulder. We have had this confirmed by a source outside the A's organization. This could explain the unexplainable this season; this injury would have absolutely reduced Barton's power, would explain his discomfort at the plate, as well as his troubles with his throwing arm. The injury will likely require surgery and 4-8 months of recovery time. A second opinion is forthcoming. It will likely end his 2011 season, but could put him back with the A's by Spring Training of next year."
Daric Barton finally received a medical opinion for the persistent pain and weakness in his shoulders last Thursday. Results from an MRI performed on his right shoulder revealed a torn labrum. Apparently his left shoulder bothers him and he will have that one looked at as well. In the interim, he is headed to LA to see Dr. Yocum, whom has looked at his films, to discuss options. Barton has allegedly complained of pain, discomfort and weakness in his shoulders for months and has been receiving treatment for his problems since the Minnesota series in April.
This information certainly explains Barton's season in it's entirety. Why the diagnosis wasn't made by the Athletic's staff remains to be seen.
I feel badly for Daric and wish him the best along with a speedy recovery and hope the A's remedy their problem.
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Dang, tough break for Barton
Hopefully he can get right eventually. Hope he doesn’t go down the Travis Buck path.
"Go down the Buck path..."
…and take to the booze? I thought Daric gave up drinking after the swimming pool incident a couple all-star breaks back.
In all seriousness, let’s hope he gets back to full strength for 2011. As to why this wasn’t diagnosed by the A’s med staff, who knows? If Daric was getting treatment in Oakland, why the hell wasn’t he MRI’d by our big league staff? Sigh…
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by RyanFromBonas on Jul 25, 2011 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions
The med staff seems blah.
Everybody has been on the DL the past few years. But I agree with you, I love to see Barton play and I hope he has a strong 2012 campaign.
by callenmoore on Jul 25, 2011 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions
That really would explain a lot, I think
Hopefully he has a complete recovery and can get back to doing what he did in 2010.
Where did you see the news, though? I’m not finding it anywhere. A link would be useful.
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It's true (at least the MRI results)
We’ve had it confirmed today by a source outside the A’s organization.
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by baseballgirl on Jul 25, 2011 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
And now we have it in triplicate
I don't feel that I'm feeling your feelings, about these feelings that you feel.
Wow
A torn labrum and they couldn’t diagnose it earlier? I mean I guess he has an insane pain tolerance level or something, because having known people with torn labrums before they knew something was seriouisly wrong when it happened….I mean really the only way I can look at this is either (1) his pain tolerance is insanely high or (2) our medical staff is still god awful, I mean laughably horrific at their jobs.
DISCLAIMER: I’ve never had a torn labrum before but have had 2 friends that did and I wouldn’t call either of them “bitches” or people with a low pain tolerance…and they knew right away that something was seriously wrong and were diagnosed very quickly.
Kiper+Fosse=Mute
I guess it's harder than falling off a log
probably one of those things that depends on the severity, location, and symptoms.
by MobiusKlein on Jul 25, 2011 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I've had some shoulder issues
never a torn labrum, but even though I wasn’t in tons of pain, my doctor told me it was possible there was a labrum problem. I’ve also known people with torn labrums who were in constant, serious pain. So I think it does depend on the individual injury.
I wonder if it’s related to his weightlifting in the offseason?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
I had a full Labrum surgery 2 years ago
and for a non athlete, a 50 year old, it meant I could not swing a golf club for 12 months. Brutal rehad but for Barton or any world class athlete I would imagine it would take considerably less time to rehab that me.
Baja been here
then again
many would say you couldn’t swing a golf club before so what’s the difference
kidding of course
by heartstopper on Jul 26, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
i had a frayed labrum 2 years ago
and that was bad enough that i couldn’t throw without pain. i definitely knew something was wrong and it wasn’t even a full tear
I'm gonna do die now.
kthanksbye
Someday her tombstone will read,
"Here Lies MissOakland Barton. Hot baseball wife, beloved friend, defender of aprons." --Kyli
go*
See, I can’t even type under this kind of stress!
Someday her tombstone will read,
"Here Lies MissOakland Barton. Hot baseball wife, beloved friend, defender of aprons." --Kyli
Relax, MO
Have Daric bring you a margarita.
i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72
He can't carry anything with his torn labrum.
by LoneStranger on Jul 26, 2011 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions
He has two shoulders, right?
He needs to stop being a wuss.
i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72
If he wants to have a future, he needs to take care of MO.
i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72
Yea, but you read the report. They scanned one shoulder, and they might look at the other one too.
He’s a mess. Who is going to rub cocoa butter on his abs now? If only there were someone who was willing to take the bullet on that one…….
by LoneStranger on Jul 26, 2011 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
why not a whole body scan?
why wait till his shoulders are good to find out he has a bad hip or knee or something else
by asfansince1989 on Jul 26, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
because those often don't have the resolution to find anything useful, such as torn tendons or ligaments
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by cuppingmaster on Jul 26, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
but the scan showed the bad shoulder, so which is it, useful or not?
I would be horrified to find out if the A’s medical staff are also thinking “it probably won’t show anything so lets not waste the money to scan him”
by asfansince1989 on Jul 26, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I think he was refering to "a whole body scan"
as opposed to an area specific scan.
i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72
this
thanks Tutu
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by cuppingmaster on Jul 26, 2011 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
I just had one to scan my bad knee.
The headphones didn’t fit well, and MAN is that machine loud!!!!
i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72
BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Clink-clunk! Clink-clunk! Clink-Clunk!
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
The new "open" style sure are nicer than the old coffin type I was in 22 years ago.
i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72
There are open style ones?
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Yeah, The one I was in, was about 3' long.
The inside was just as tight, but you don’t get the claustrophobic feeling.
i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72
No, it's like a KAAAAAANNNGGG!!!!!!
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ooh!
But what’s that light for?
i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72
It's to distract the dog so he won't molest the mechanic
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I'd be more concerned with the mechanic molesting my dog.
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We're losing our deflector shield.
Go strap yourself in, I’m going to make the jump to light speed.
by LoneStranger on Jul 26, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
No way! I just saw some dweeb sabotage your flux capacitor
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I knew they let us go. It's the only explanation for the ease of our escape.
by LoneStranger on Jul 26, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm hungry.
Can I have one of those cinnamon buns, Leila?
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She got you on your knees, doesn't she?
by LoneStranger on Jul 26, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
A full body scan is not a focused MRI with contrast fluid
I had a contrast MRI on my shoulder. I was lying in the machine for probably 30 minutes, at least, maybe a bit longer. For one shoulder. And even that kind of study can miss a lot of stuff in your shoulder, apparently.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
OK, so I misunderstood that MRI with this kind of precision can not be done on a whole body
still begs to question why have the A’s waited this long to do this MRI? and why is it even still just in plans to scan the other shoulder? what a cheap ass organization!
by asfansince1989 on Jul 26, 2011 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Most sore shoulders are just sore shoulders
That’s why.
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by cuppingmaster on Jul 26, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
It's definitely frustrating
though it really depends on what the orthopedist said, I’d imagine. I’d be shocked if the doc said, “I want an MRI with contrast to figure this out” and the A’s said, “No, that’s too expensive, we won’t pay for it.” IIRC from my shoulder stuff, the labrum is really hard to image successfully. Maybe his symptoms didn’t fit the diagnosis of a labrum tear, and they decided to have Barton work with a physical therapist to strengthen the muscles.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
this.
Someday her tombstone will read,
"Here Lies MissOakland Barton. Hot baseball wife, beloved friend, defender of aprons." --Kyli
by MissOakland on Jul 26, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Always looking out for you, MO
i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72
I appreciate it
Someday her tombstone will read,
"Here Lies MissOakland Barton. Hot baseball wife, beloved friend, defender of aprons." --Kyli
by MissOakland on Jul 26, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
He's broken.
Someday her tombstone will read,
"Here Lies MissOakland Barton. Hot baseball wife, beloved friend, defender of aprons." --Kyli
by MissOakland on Jul 26, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm sure using his shoulder as a sheath for her ice pick hasn't helped him a whole lot.
i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72
Don't tell me to do what I already do!
Someday her tombstone will read,
"Here Lies MissOakland Barton. Hot baseball wife, beloved friend, defender of aprons." --Kyli
Where is this from?
Some kind of link is required, or this thread should be deleted.
I don't feel that I'm feeling your feelings, about these feelings that you feel.
It's true.
There’s no link. Around 5 people know about it.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
We happen to be two of them ;-)
I can promote it after the game recap.
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by baseballgirl on Jul 25, 2011 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions
OK, thanks
It just seems suspicious that a new user makes such a post two days after joining and does not provide any source material.
I don't feel that I'm feeling your feelings, about these feelings that you feel.
LOL
Barton, Nico, BBG, medicalwunder and Yocum, right?
Did you guys tell it to Billy Beane yet?
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Like billy beane worries about trite information like that.
"Caring about stuff binds us to the other people that care about stuff, and that creates the communities that makes life worth living."
He hasn't called me lately.
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IT'S INSIDE INFORMATION THAT YOU CANNOT BE TOLD ABOUT. YET.
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Heh
Well, you know – new poster, no previous posts. The news made sense but it was something that definitely needed some kind of verification and we’ve got it now.
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It actually was!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
You once told me,
don’t get emotional about the A’s training staff…The bid is 1 torn labrum, going up, as your broker I advise you to take it….
Kiper+Fosse=Mute
by CorpseOfChavez on Jul 25, 2011 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Dump it.
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by EddieVegas_NRAF on Jul 26, 2011 6:45 AM PDT up reply actions
i've constructed a synthetic vol position. i'm good either way
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Wait a minute.
You go either way?
i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72
when you're long vol, the direction of the underlying security doesn't matter so long as the realized vol is greater than the implied vol. derivatives are your friend.
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Wow, your Greek is as good as your Latin.
Did you notice the glazed look come over my eyes by the third word?
When you say “derivative are your friend”, does that include poppy plants?
i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72
Should end his season.
Probably not a long term thing though for a 1B, right? Coco had a torn labrum in June of 2009 and it didn’t cost him any time in 2010. We can be optimistic about him going forward again?
This is actually good news.
Nice to know his struggles have an explanation other than “he forgot how to hit.”
Let’s assume Barton can get back to being the .270/.380/.400 Daric Barton we knew last season, with stellar D. Suzuki back at catcher, Barton Weeks Pennington Sizemore sounds like a perfectly serviceable infield for less than $2.5 million. That’s actually a pretty good, very cheap 5 guys. A healthy and productive Barton fills an enormous hole for the 2012 A’s.
and the team will be on pace to lose 90+ games again.
Other than Weeks, I have no confidence that our 2012 IFs will hit an average of .250.
by EstadosUnidos on Jul 25, 2011 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Now I feel bad for bashing the guy (for not bashing). This explains it.
by player20 on Jul 26, 2011 12:32 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Who freakin' cares that it's under $2.5 million?
I want the A’s to win… not be the most efficient.
by Brett Narloch on Jul 26, 2011 6:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Money can be exchanged for goods and services
by Glorious Mundy on Jul 26, 2011 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
It's fungible
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I love cheap 5 guys
Best burger in town
John 3:16
"If they want to pay me like Mike Gallego, I’ll play like Gallego." - Rickey Henderson
Aa a person, I wish him well. As a baseball player,
I could care less about when he will be 100% again. A 1B with average hitting and no power, they are about a dime a dozen of them in the minor leagues.
jfc
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by mikev on Jul 25, 2011 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
2 posts, 19 comments
Not worth it.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
So if you could care less
then how much exactly do you care? Because you must care to some extent if it’s possible for you to care less about when Barton will be healthy again.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
And how much less could you care?
-Ray Fosse
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
How does it feel, knowing that you care care somewhat, but that you could still care less
and knowing that the manager is going to put you in a position where you can feel like you have an opportunity to slow things down, think about how much you care, and then knowing what you know, care to the best of your abilities?
by Glorious Mundy on Jul 26, 2011 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You know, Ray, it feels great
knowing that the manager is going to put me in a position where I can feel like I have an opportunity to slow things down, think about how much I care, and then knowing what I know, care to the best of my abilities.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Is that "Blue Monday", Glorious Mundy?
by player20 on Jul 26, 2011 11:14 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
It's Fosse's cover
How great does it feel
To treat me like you do knowing that it feels great to treat me that way
by Glorious Mundy on Jul 26, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
according to my charts this puts him somewhere between a little and infinite caring.

jaggin around
by oakinboston on Jul 26, 2011 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wrong
My care-o-meter is faulty, and bottoms out at 2.1
I tried caring zero, and it didn’t work.
I fucking hate our medical staff
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by hero66 on Jul 25, 2011 11:30 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
They better not fuck Brett Anderson up any worse.
Just give him back to me 100% opening day 2013. That’s all I ask.
one of the first thing the new warriors owners did was fire the trainer and get some better medical people. new warrior owners are not cheap people where as the old owner seemed very cheap. that could be the same problem here with the a’s.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jul 26, 2011 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions
The A's fired the entire medical staff in the offseason
by Billy Frijoles on Jul 26, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
And didn't bother to hire a good one?
Someday her tombstone will read,
"Here Lies MissOakland Barton. Hot baseball wife, beloved friend, defender of aprons." --Kyli
by MissOakland on Jul 26, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
They are complying with the new healthplan rules.
i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72
Did they upgrade to Kaiser?
"If you wrote something for which someone sent you a check, if you cashed the check and it didn't bounce, and if you then paid the light bill with the money, I consider you talented." —Stephen King
Actually, I heard someone (I can't remember if it was one of the broadcasters or what)
saying how Papparesta (the new trainer) was really well-organized and the players liked him. I don’t know what to think about this whole Barton thing.
"Once you go Bed....everything else is dead." - Bed
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by cuppingmaster on Jul 26, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
being liked and well organized does NOT equal
good necessarily
by heartstopper on Jul 26, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
He actually got offered the head job at a university and left
Whether he was told to look for another job is a whole other story.
by Athletix Man on Jul 26, 2011 10:33 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
They are total fucking MORONS
Add Management to that for allowing it to continue to happen.
Employ people who know what the fuck they are doing.
This is a pretty bad indictment, right after they were supposed to have changed things last offseason
Maybe Alejo left for a reason
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 26, 2011 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Is Homer J Simpson running
Our medical staff. seriously the A’s need to do something this is unacceptable for a pro team.
Hopelessness is better than false hope
by sfniners4life on Jul 25, 2011 11:34 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
nope, it's cletus the slack jawed yokel
by guy incognito on Jul 26, 2011 7:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Hi, Dr. Nick!
"If you wrote something for which someone sent you a check, if you cashed the check and it didn't bounce, and if you then paid the light bill with the money, I consider you talented." —Stephen King
Dr. Spaceman?

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by EddieVegas_NRAF on Jul 26, 2011 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
The Rivercats placed Barton on the 7 day DL
On July 18. Then on July 22 Jane Lee Tweeted, “Daric Barton is on the DL in Sacramento because of some left shoulder soreness. He isn’t expected to be out long.”
Note that Jane refers to the left shoulder.
As far as I remember this post is the first mention of a right shoulder issue.
by OaklandSi on Jul 25, 2011 11:39 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah, if Barton never complained it's hard to put this entirely on the medical staff
You generally respond to symptoms, not to low batting lines.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
If he never complained, then f**k him. seriously...
Going out there in such a diminished capacity and hurting the team is a bad bad thing.
"I wouldn't honestly be surprised if there was a Derek-Jeter’s-d**k-shaped Popsicle concession at Yankee Stadium."- emperor nobody
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 26, 2011 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, but if he felt no actual pain what was he going to say?
“No power? This isn’t normal!!!! Well, it is but…”
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Uh oh.
I’m from Castro Valley ….
Someday her tombstone will read,
"Here Lies MissOakland Barton. Hot baseball wife, beloved friend, defender of aprons." --Kyli
I lived there for 2 years. I managed to escape healthy.
by player20 on Jul 27, 2011 12:27 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
That makes 1 out of everyone
Someday her tombstone will read,
"Here Lies MissOakland Barton. Hot baseball wife, beloved friend, defender of aprons." --Kyli
what do you mean "never complained"?!
“Barton has allegedly complained of pain, discomfort and weakness in his shoulders for months and has been receiving treatment for his problems since the Minnesota series in April. "
by asfansince1989 on Jul 26, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh, sorry, didn't see that.
I was distracted by the unrelenting misuse of apostrophes.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
BUT he did complain
since the twins series in APRIL
by heartstopper on Jul 26, 2011 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Poor Daric. :( :(
I wish him well and an excellent recovery — hopefully this IS the cause of his problems this season and he can come back from it strong. And that knowing will give him some peace of mind about his game and the fact that his limb probably felt like it was falling off.
That said, the FUCK A’s medical staff. Seriously. Best change the org could ever make would be a serious overhaul on any person that touches the damn players because sweet Isis, this is the kind of thing that should be… y’know… noticeable. “HEY GUYZ MY ARM IS FALLING OFF.” “No it’s not, rub some dirt on it.” [splat] “Um, my limb is now on the floor.” “Lies.”
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
no free agent would want to sign with a lame medical staff
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
Or to put it another way:
Beltre is currently on the DL with a hamstring injury. You think he’s glad he’s under TEX’s medical care right now rather than OAK’s?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
He has Nelson Cruz to talk about hamstring DLs
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Did not the A's fire their medical staff after last season and replace with another group?
This sounds just as bad/inattentive.
That said, there have been some visible differences in how they’ve handled injuries this year. More direct: straight to the DL often (exception: Willingham); less BS minimizing the problems?
"Feel so bad, feel like a ballgame on a rainy day"-Lightnin' Hopkins
by justANotherAsFan on Jul 26, 2011 12:20 AM PDT reply actions
In all seriousness, they should check Suzuki's labrum while they're at it.
by player20 on Jul 26, 2011 12:46 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Suzuki hasn't thrown anybody out since, what, 2009?
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 26, 2011 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions
yesterday, but he did miss one.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jul 26, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
actuall at the beginning of the season
he threw out something like 15 of 37. that seems sooo loooonng ago
by heartstopper on Jul 26, 2011 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I still think left-handed catchers would be great at throwing out guys trying to steal 2nd.
A better angle.
Now, guys trying to steal 3rd? Not so much…
Srsly, mostly what’s wrong with Suzuki’s throws is they mostly go to the 3rd base side of 2nd…
"Feel so bad, feel like a ballgame on a rainy day"-Lightnin' Hopkins
by justANotherAsFan on Jul 26, 2011 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions
And often to the "home plate side" as well.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Let's play on a Little League field
i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72
better angle? how so?
Seems most hitters are RH, therefore a RH catcher doesn’t have a human partially in his way.
If the probelm is cheap management vs the medical staff
I’m imagining this conversation:
Doc: “Barton is complaining of some pain and discomfort, should we give him the works?”
Management: “How much would that cost?”
Doc: “A shit load”
Management: “Buy him a bag of ice then”
by asfansince1989 on Jul 26, 2011 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
they stand to lose a lot more paying a shitty player to play than the cost of an MRI
Also they would probably want to do MRIs to collect insurance money in the event someone is actually injured. I think the financial incentives work towards doing the tests.
by Billy Frijoles on Jul 26, 2011 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
This, exactly.
The whole “teh A’s don’t wanna spend money on medical stuff” is kinda stupid.
Now, they might be spending money on BAD medical stuff, but that’s a whole other story.
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Hey kinda OT Michael Taylor and Grant Green both homered tonight
Taylor is now hitting .287/.366/.484 in 59 games at AAA. So that’s kinda positive, that we’ll see him next week probably.
That's good to hear about Taylor
Hopefully he has a better showing than Carter. I don’t expect the top prospects to come up and be like Weeks right away, but gives us some flashes of brilliance now and again, please. I NEED OPTIMISM
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His AAA OPS is now just 12 points lower
than Jemile’s was before he was called up. Little more slugging, little less OBP. Maybe he’s back. For all the talk about him being old for his level, he’s only 13 months older than Weeks, and he had every bit the pedigree as a prospect (maybe even more).
Sweet.
I could definitely live with .260/.350/.430 or even a little lower. This lineup needs some pop.
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Glad that he's heated back up
hope one of the OFers gets traded and we give him a look.
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I am still just in amazement that our medical staff is apparently headed by Dr. Nick Riviera
I mean this level of incompetence by employees wouldn’t be tolerated at a fast food restaurant.
Kiper+Fosse=Mute
How do you not diagnose a TORN SHOULDER LABRUM?
Seems like an awfully drastic injury to go undiagnosed for half a season. I would think at least Daric would recognize the pain was so significant and wonder if it was something serious. I mean, I’ve had a bruise on my abdomen and I’ve had a cracked rib, and there was NO QUESTION which one hurt worse. Surely he must have felt enough pain where he had to realize it was a bad injury.
If he simply tried to tough it out and the reason it went undiagnosed was his fault, that’s just a damn shame. I’ve never understood why sometimes players hide injuries from the medical staff. I understand why the 25th man on the major league roster might do it, but Barton had a good enough 2010 not to worry about losing his job because of injury.
If I were an injured player, I’d just go to the medical staff and find out the extent of it. Then I’d ask, “Will it get worse if I play through it? No? Well then give me something for the pain and hand me my glove.”
Anyway, it is still good to hear that his shitty 2011 might have a legit explanation. If so, I will be happy to welcome him back in 2012 and hope he goes back to something closer to 2010 Barton.
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At least publicly, Barton claimed he was healthy
In interview with both CT and Tittle he discarded injury as a cause of his poor play. Of course, we don’t know what he said to the training staff or team doctor.
by OaklandSi on Jul 26, 2011 4:31 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I understand why players don't publicly say they're injured
Because they don’t want to give the opposition any information they can exploit. But I hope he was honest with the medical staff.
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My understanding is that you can have a tear without feeling pain,
so it can sap your ability without being overtly symptomatic. If that’s true, not sure if the A’s medical staff is so culpable on this one. Though you wonder if “monthly MRIs for everyone!” might actually be a worthwhile expense for a team.
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Radiation is the new undervalued commodity
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by Nico on Jul 26, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
now if I understand correctly, if a player is bitten by an animal while undergoing an MRI, then gain the skills of that animal
Unfortunately, Willingham was bitten by a sloth.
by DDroney on Jul 26, 2011 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know animals that are good at flinging poo
It’s a start, right?
Seizure?
Or, barely knewar. Or, as my dad would say, Caesar yourself, you brought her.
Losing this team would be a huge failure for this city and an affront to Oakland’s great sports legacy.
Caesar was an epileptic.
Caesar seriously had seizures.
Assuming you mean Julius Caesar,
historians are split on that. He definitely had seizures, but it’s not at all clear that they were epileptic. See sources cited at the wikipedia article.
Caligula and Claudius are also believed by some to have had epilepsy.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
MRIs don't involve radiation in the usual sense.
CT scans use radiation, as do plain x-rays. MRIs use magnetic imaging, not ionizing radiation, the kind that shrinks your testicles and does all kinds of other nasty stuff to you.
Losing this team would be a huge failure for this city and an affront to Oakland’s great sports legacy.
Exactly.
It’s basically a giant supercooled magnet that hits you with a huge magnetic field. Not radiation, in the green glowing sense.
Which is why we need to hope that Barton's AN nickname is inaccurate in this case...
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by Nick on Jul 26, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I read on an orthopedic site
(sorry, can’t grab the link w/my phone) that it can be difficult to see some labrum tears, even with an MRI. Also, the pain may sometimes not be felt.
Besides that, there can be other explanations for shoulder discomfort. We don’t know how much Barton complained, nor how much pain he felt. I’m not excusing the A’s staff, especially since they have replaced many of them.
by OaklandSi on Jul 26, 2011 5:21 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know if I believe the logic
I mean sure his power may have been affected by that injury but those horrendous ugly can’t swing the bat plate appearances- nah….. Barton was obviously having trouble seeing the ball during his tenure with the A’s this year and he had some downright ugly ass swings. I hope they can repair his torn labrum and I wish him well, but I don’t think that can be the blame for his 2011 dump.
The greenmachine
LOL
Not “ha ha” funny, I know, but only in Oakland could a torn labrum be completely missed for months. DeJesus probably has a gangrenous limb, which will only be discovered after someone finally realizes that Matsui doesn’t actually smell that bad.
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from what I've read it's actually fairly common to miss a torn labrum in the shoulder
particularly the so-called SLAP tear, which happens a lot to baseball players. Apparently, it’s not always considered to affect offensive production, as the Orioles have indicated with Luke Scott’s recently revealed shoulder labrum tear.
by OaklandSi on Jul 26, 2011 6:25 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Luke Scott's going under the knife and has had a crappy year.
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according to the article he will wait until the offseason to get surgery
I’m certainly not going to defend Scott’s performance. It’s the Orioles who reportedly feel that the tear hasn’t affected his offensive production (in other words, they think it would be about the same even without the tear).
Sounds like that was a bad idea.
Since he’s now likely to be non-tendered and miss out on a significant offseason payday.
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Frankly, unless I am there, in person, to witness his surgery
I refuse to believe that he had it done.
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by mikev on Jul 26, 2011 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
This actually seems to leave more questions than answers
It’s not as simple as “oh, now he’s going to be another 4 WAR player next year.” There’s no question his approach at the plate changed, and he made some really awkward looking plays in the field, and his swing turned into a massive upper cut. I don’t think all of that can be explained by a torn labrum.
That said, I hope he does go back to being the least-flashy 4-5 WAR player in the league.
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Sure there are questions
But, you cannot discount the fact that a shoulder injury, which requires surgery, would not have had direct/indirect consequences on his performance. Was he worried about the lack of power and thus over swinging or swinging with the upper cut? Did he target balls in a specific location because they enabled him to put a better swing on the ball?
We don't know exactly how long he's had the injury, though
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He had the upper cut when he first came up
And yeah, what Nick said: who knows if this just cropped up or if he even had any significant pain earlier.
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by cuppingmaster on Jul 26, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
so...did barton never tell anyone about the pain?
if so, he’s an idiot. we lost a young pitcher (dan meyer) to this kind of stupidity before. if he told the staff and they never bothered checking it out, than it is yet another indictment against our medical staff. i suspect it’s a little of both, but the latter is hard to deny at this point, given all the problems we’ve had. honestly, beane needs to really think about some serious changes throughout the organization on the training/medical staff.
Fired the medical staff last offseason. Brought in a new trainer. This MAY be on them, but it's NOT "yet another indictment", since the staff is new.
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by justANotherAsFan on Jul 26, 2011 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions
No comparison
He’ll miss 2-3 weeks MAX (most likely less). Not a big deal.
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by cuppingmaster on Jul 26, 2011 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions
The comparison: Why can't we have nice things?
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Do you think the Nats were crapping in their shorts when Strasburg went down and had to have TJS?
They had a real expensive nice thing that could have gone south in a hurry.
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fuck yes they were
But I think they crapped in their last week when they saw Jayson Werth’s paycheck and then looked at Fangraphs.
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by cuppingmaster on Jul 26, 2011 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
So when's the amputation scheduled for?
by tanghamilton on Jul 26, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
You don't schedule those
You need to sneak up on the person.
Er…So I’ve heard.
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One possible explanation.
We’ve heard horror stories before about medical staffs; the worst being the J.R. Richard misdiagnosis. But Rickey Henderson often pulled himself out of games if he wasn’t 100% on the grounds that he couldn’t do his job properly, and he was raked over the coals for being a wuss.
From the care we’ve seen with Willingham this year, and Ellis also, it seems that the medical staff is being very careful and very cautious. My guess is that Barton had good days and bad days, and probably refused to consider that the problem was anything other than his own inability to get comfortable on the field.
There’s one other possibility which absolves everyone of blame: the labrum tear could have been painless but could have thrown Barton’s game off completely, and it was only with time and further tearing, that the pain became noticeable and the medical staff was consulted.
I’m still convinced that Wuertz isn’t healthy.
by richwol1 on Jul 26, 2011 7:58 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Wuertz looked better yesterday
But yeah, wouldn’t surprise me if he had elbow issues
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by cuppingmaster on Jul 26, 2011 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions
This
the labrum tear could have been painless but could have thrown Barton’s game off completely, and it was only with time and further tearing, that the pain became noticeable and the medical staff was consulted.
is a legitimate possibility that we should at least consider.
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by Nico on Jul 26, 2011 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Either way Barton is a useless player
That’s too bad that he is hurt, but either way Barton is a useless player. Either he’s a player with just horrible skills. Essentially a “zero tools” player (can’t run, can’t field, can’t hit, no power). Or Barton is so selfish and has such ego that he’d gladly play extremely poorly hurt, dragging the team down with him, and not tell anyone what the problem is. Either way he’s not worth a roster spot, even on a minor league team imho.
Frankly, I think he should be banished to a desert island.
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Better yet, a dessert island
and we can put in orders.
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MO stands to make a fortune.
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I could use a fortune
Someday her tombstone will read,
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by MissOakland on Jul 26, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I've decided that Barton's true talent level is probably around
.270/.360/.400 with very good defense but a few too many errors. That’s a solid player and I hope he can return to that form.
I’d also like the A’s to look for more from 1B going forward, as I’m one of those naive weirdos who believes you need to get power/slugging from somewhere, and that 1B is a place the A’s will need to get it (as they sure won’t be getting much from 2B, SS, or 3B anytime soon).
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If he can get that average up to .290
and add 15 HR’s with good D then that’s Mark Grace numbers and I would take that any day.
Assuming we can bring Andre Dawsom and Ryne Sandberg out of retirement
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I think he strikes out too much to have a high BA
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 26, 2011 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions
And if we had some ham, we would have ham and eggs if we had some eggs.
It will be difficult for Barton to hit .290+ as long as OFs can play him shallow. And 15 HRs is, at this point, not projectable based on anything we actually know or have seen.
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Who projected 50 HR from Jose Bautista before he actually went out and did it?
show of hands?
projections are valuable but not gospel….
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Well, there's something I can sit around and hope for.
Daric Barton, the next coming of Jose Bautista?
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Heck, I'd get on my knees if Daric could play like Olerud.
(to give thanks only)
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Call me
(oh, never mind)
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HA!
I was prepared for that one.
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With knee pads?
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I don't think there has EVER been someone who went from little HR power
To 55+ HRs over 162 games (and also sustained it — don’t think Brady Anderson or Luis Gonzalez). We are seeing something unprecedented here.
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by cuppingmaster on Jul 26, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Sosa?
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Sosa was up as a 20-year-old
and his power actually ramped up to a very solid level — basically mid-30s HRs a year — until he suddenly went nuts in 1998 and hit 66.
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STEROIDS.
oh.. wait.
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Yeah, right.
Like steroids could do that for a player
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Probably the closest
But still not a great comp. Bautista’s HR by year, starting in 2006:
16, 15, 15, 13, 54, 31 (so far)
Sosa, starting in 1993, had some 30 HR seasons. Then he exploded.
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by cuppingmaster on Jul 26, 2011 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
One interesting example is Kirby Puckett
Who was a rinky-dink slap hitter his first two seasons in the majors — a total of 4 HRs in over 1,200 AB’s. Then, in his 3rd season, he hit 31 HRs in 723 ABs. That was his career high, but he wound up hitting 207 HRs in his career.
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So, you're saying there's hope for Ryan Sweeney?
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by cuppingmaster on Jul 26, 2011 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Ha! Hypothetically...
BTW, I just looked at Sweeney’s comps on baseball-reference: his top 4 comps are named Moose, Buster, Buzz, and Tike.
And he’s hit 13 career HRs in 1,566 career ABs, while Puckett had 4 in his first 1,327.
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(puts him down for 30 HRs next year)
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by cuppingmaster on Jul 26, 2011 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
I called this one last year. Silly me, two years early.
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If he gets fat.
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He's lucky Fred McGriff won't answer Billy's calls.
by player20 on Jul 26, 2011 11:21 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Fred McGriff could at least send the A's some Tom Emanski tapes
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by YonYonson on Jul 26, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
this needs to be
green!
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by Athletics fan and runner on Jul 26, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I have always thought
that Mark Grace was Barton’s ceiling.
He makes a great ceiling fan impression.
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by Athletics fan and runner on Jul 26, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not a fan.
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where do you see the .400 SLG coming from?
by Billy Frijoles on Jul 26, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd say doubles and some homers
Though he barely scraped .400 SLG last year, so maybe not.
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Hitting to all fields = more doubles
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I'd have put his ceiling higher
In essence, 2010 was his rookie year, his first full year in the majors. As he learned the game, it’s possible the batting average would have gone up, and possibly the power numbers as well, putting him in the same category as someone like Youkilis, or Mike Sweeney in his prime.
But who knows. Barton may wind up as one of baseball’s “what if” players.
I think his ceiling is his 2010 season
I also think his 2010 season, as well as his 2008/2011 season, are likely outliers showing both ends of the bell curve. His career to date shows .252/.362/.378 and while I think he can hit for a bit more average and slugging than that, it’s a more reasonable barometer than either extreme.
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I was expecting (hoping) for improvement over 2010
but I wasn’t expecting him to turn into a slugger.
An improvement over 2010 would be really difficult without adding power.
Of course there’s no law against adding power
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 26, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
His 2010 line was around .273/.395/.405
With 10 HRs. I was expecting perhaps a slightly better average. Good gap to gap hitting is what his game appeared to be when hitting well, so I wasn’t expecting 30 HRs. A Mattingly type, so to speak.
by OaklandSi on Jul 26, 2011 10:15 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe a post-back-surgery Mattingly
Before he messed his back up, Mattingly had a very high BA, lots of HR’s (30+ 3 years in a row, 4 consecutive years of SLG over .500), but not many BBs or Ks.
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And Mark Grace is probably a better comparison
by OaklandSi on Jul 26, 2011 11:43 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
A best case scenario
(which I was not expecting) would be Wade Boggs, who also did not hit many HRs.
by OaklandSi on Jul 26, 2011 11:48 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
The trouble is the Barton strikes out too much to be Grace or Boggs
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 26, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
He also doesn't hit the ball as hard
Those guys stung line drives more consistently than Barton does. Maybe a new bionic shoulder will help, though.
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Like I said, I was hoping for improvement
In the general direction of those players. He’s 25, so I wasn’t expecting prime time Boggs, Mattingly or even Grace in 2011.
by OaklandSi on Jul 26, 2011 12:09 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Someone like Nick Markakis might be a reasonable hope
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 26, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes. Though even guys like Markakis
tend to come up with more of a slugging background than Barton has. The notion of “developing power” is a bit overdone, IMO. Many guys who don’t show power don’t show it because…they don’t gots it.
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We've all heard for years that someone like
Sweeney would develop power as he got older. But I don’t recall that prediction for Barton.
by OaklandSi on Jul 26, 2011 1:08 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I never understood why anyone thought Sweeney
was a good candidate to develop power
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 26, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Because that was the type of player we needed.
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This was my feeling exactly!
"Lako je tuđim kurcem po koprivama mlatiti / It’s easy to beat on the nettles with someone else’s dick." - elcroata
Because he's 6'4" 220
I still think if someone trashed his swing and made him swing for power, he could hit 20 HR a year.
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by cuppingmaster on Jul 26, 2011 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
And as a 21-year-old he hit 13 HRs in 118 games in AAA
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
And when he was 15, he broke a window on the second floor of the old Grundle house on the other side of the lot.
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Hee
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 26, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
a guy named swingles broke a window. puh-leeze. tell me a believable story.
the artist formerly known as inbillywetrust
OK but in his 2146 minor league PA
he had 140 XBH. That’s not a power hitter.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 26, 2011 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
He really doesn't swing at the ball.
It’s more like he is trying to catch the ball with his bat.
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It's like Jason Kendall's.
He basically tries to spoon the ball over the third baseman’s head instead of trying to square a pitch up and drive it.
on the rare occasion he squares up and drives a ball out of the park, he doesn’t hit cheap Conor Jackson first row homers, he actually hits them pretty damn good.
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We agree 100% on this.
A couple of years ago. I commented on another site, that I wish we could combine Cust and Ryan.
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There you go, Mr Negativity.
For defense, I wanted Bugsy to let us use E-Patsy and Cust at the same position. E-Patsy could field the bal, hand it to Jack, and he would throw it in.
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That's true, but still....
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 26, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
It could be why Big Frank isn't a scout.
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Sorry for the joke.
I thought he would become a slugger as well. Especially in late 2010, when Ryan admitted he was just trying to not strickout. I thought that meant he was going to become more aggressive. Boy, was I wrong.
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Look at the guy
anybody would think he was a power hitter. And then you watch him play.
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This begs the Question:
When are we going to find out Suzuki has shoulder issues as well that prevents him from hitting over .230 and throwing out any bipedal animal that attempts a stolen base on his watch?
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by cuppingmaster on Jul 26, 2011 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
from a can't be worse standpoint
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KNEWER
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well, this explains a good deal
sorry Daric. Hopefully you get well, and one day you will be a nice role player on a good team. I could see him being very useful in a great lineup
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 26, 2011 10:01 AM PDT reply actions
Oh shoot,
Gray has an inverted W in his pitching motion.
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Do you think our "brain trust", and I use that term loosely, knew about this before they drafted him?
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here
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/07/25/SPVS1KEKKR.DTL
"Caring about stuff binds us to the other people that care about stuff, and that creates the communities that makes life worth living."
As I understand it, that's not really the suspect motion
his elbows aren’t high enough
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by cuppingmaster on Jul 26, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
ah ok.
i was just curious
"Caring about stuff binds us to the other people that care about stuff, and that creates the communities that makes life worth living."
The A's need an new HMO.
Now I feel bad for being so annoyed that Barton sucked so much.
Someone check Kouzmanoff’s shoulders.
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by EddieVegas_NRAF on Jul 26, 2011 10:06 AM PDT reply actions
I just checked, and I've confirmed that he still can't lay off a bad slider.
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from the "for what it is worth" dept
kouz now has 11 HRS (same as taylor) in 2/3 the ABs (155) and is batting 297
by heartstopper on Jul 26, 2011 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
is that a support statement for kouz or an indictment of taylor?
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Totally OT:
But can someone come up with ideas about how to get Colby Rasmus from the Cardinals? Gio? Andrew Bailey?
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by elcroata on Jul 26, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Well, now that you mention it, Jennifer does live within driving distance of St Louis...
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Oh, she'll ruin the poor boy before we get him.
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Great.
Now we just need to find a hardware store and an elephant.
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It's all ball-bearings now.
Maybe you need a refresher course.
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by EddieVegas_NRAF on Jul 26, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
seems like his value is dropping
Not sure it would even take that much
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by cuppingmaster on Jul 26, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Just reread the original post....
" Barton has allegedly complained of pain, discomfort and weakness in his shoulders for months and has been receiving treatment for his problems since the Minnesota series in April. "
Uh…..
by richwol1 on Jul 26, 2011 11:21 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Right, this is the first we've heard of it
Barton was telling interviewees that he was healthy.
by OaklandSi on Jul 26, 2011 11:25 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I mean, he was telling interviewers he was healthy
He was the interviewee.
by OaklandSi on Jul 26, 2011 11:41 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Remember ST?
He was in such good shape. I wonder if the increase in muscle mass/decrease in body fat in the off-season was due to some dramatic changes in his conditioning regime, and the changes in the type if weight lifting he did caused the shoulder issues? Just a thought.
Was he in "the best shape of his life" in spring training?
Cuz that never happens!
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Yes!!!!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Until they have to do things like
hit or catch a baseball, which are harrrrd.
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seems apropos
From Slusser’s article on sfgate:
The A’s have fewer than three men on the disabled list (two) for the first time since 2006.
!
So, once again, Willingham has said he wants to stay in Oakland.
Willingham said Monday that he’d consider signing long-term in Oakland, but there have been no discussions. “For sure, I’d be interested,” he said, “but they haven’t talked to us about it. I don’t know what they’re going to do.”
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/07/25/SPER1KENQ2.DTL
Wow.
by danmerqury on Jul 26, 2011 1:11 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
You know, if the A's aren't offered much for him
It might be worthwhile to keep him around for a while.
by OaklandSi on Jul 26, 2011 1:25 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't think we'll get much for him anyway
Which is why he hasn’t gotten traded yet, IMO.
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by cuppingmaster on Jul 26, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Sign him
only about 3 people want to come here. WTF would you trade someone who can hit more bombs than the rest of the current outfield 10 times over.
We have someone reasonable who wants to stay so for the right price, why not
Watch those assholes trade him for another pitcher or for someone who knows how to hit but becomes another .230 hitter in our organization
If we are going to let him go, rather get the picks anyway
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by cuppingmaster on Jul 26, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
If nobody wants to trade for him, why would they give up a first round pick to sign him
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Someone will sign him
He’s not going to go unsigned. I just think right now Beane is holding out for the best deal he can get, which right now is a first-round pick from another team.
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by cuppingmaster on Jul 26, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd be totally fine with signing him to a reasonable 3 year deal
As he’s jerked around more and flounders more when given a chance, there’s less and less guarantee that Carter is the A’s “future DH”. And at worst, Willingham would give the A’s a solid DH and middle of the order hitter, whether or not you want him in the OF for the first 6-7 innings of some games.
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Agreed
because of his age/injury history don’t like the 3 year deal for an OF but I love it as a DH.
I also can’t believe how much I feel comfy with Matsui in LF
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true... he has played good while there
a little slow but probably faster than willingham.
by heartstopper on Jul 26, 2011 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Definitely agree
Willingham can be a Outfielder/ DH/ possible 1B. He actually wants to stay, and he probably wants the stability more than a fat contract. If Carter can start hitting again, then either Carter or Willingham can play first base and the other one will DH. Does anyone know if Willingham has ever tried to play there?
by Rygoslinglover on Jul 26, 2011 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Very little
Three innings (over two games) in 2006 with Florida. One inning in 2009 with Washington.
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Just for this, I want to keep him.
and he’s pretty good but whatever.
Someday her tombstone will read,
"Here Lies MissOakland Barton. Hot baseball wife, beloved friend, defender of aprons." --Kyli
It would be pretty (relatively) cheap to keep him around.
His fielding leaves something to be desired, but I think this year is not representative of his career norms fielding-wise. He’s only 32. A 2-year $15M extension might get it done.
Currently, all 3 OF spots, DH, and 1B are total question marks for next year. Willingham can DH and play OF and is a good player to have in the lineup. Also sets the tone for the other players, that we are building something and not just spinning our wheels continuously.
I think his fielding will improve, his first time in the AL playing in parks he never or rarely played in, it was bound to suck.
by Billy Frijoles on Jul 26, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
should also add that it could be even cheaper, given the type A status will depress his value
It’s possible he may even accept arbitration.
by Billy Frijoles on Jul 26, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
His fielding will improve if/when he plays 1-2 steps deeper
Nothing else will help him because he’s “company softball game” level on balls over his head, yet perfectly solid going to his left, right, or in.
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I just wonder why prior to this year, playing in FL and DC, not exactly bandboxes, his UZR/year was like -5.5
That’s not terrible, certainly passable. I think a lot of it is going to a bunch of new parks for the first time.
Yeah but you’re right, he does suck going back on balls. I could never imagine him robbing a HR from anyone.
He’s a good hitter, not great. He’s a bad fielder, but not terrible. I am not a super big fan of his overall but I see some positives in bringing him back and I don’t see any real solutions to OF, unless Taylor lights it up in his September call-up.
by Billy Frijoles on Jul 26, 2011 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
i want to see Miller up
who cares about the strikeouts being over 40%… he hits bombs. his slg is over 1.000, he’s got speed for the outfield (13SB, 0 cs) and is a decent fielder (5 Es to taylors 4, miller has more games and presumably more ops).
by heartstopper on Jul 26, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't know if him telling a reporter that he's open to it means that he really wants to stay
His other option would be to say he’d rather leave the team?
he has said that on quite a few occasions
both when he was first traded to the A’s and just recently. He’s certainly not obligated to say anything.
lets just blame bob geren!!!!!!
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Get fixed Daric
Dropping to .197 does seem like there has to be something wrong. Even if it’s a tough recovery, it might be worse than no explanation at all.
Hope to see you back soon or any time really. We need your D and the O you had.
Well, that would *definitely* upset MO!
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by Nick on Jul 26, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, there's fixed and there's "fixed."
One just keeps away the extra puppies without impeding in-game performance.
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Thanks for the back-up Nick!
Let’s only fix what is broken
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by the way
Susan Slusser just talked to Daric, Apparently the tear was just discovered last week, and according to him it’s a small tear, similar to what Pennington played with last season.
It doesn’t sound like the pain had been bad enough for Barton or the A’s to investigate earlier in the season. In fact, he went on the DL last week for discomfort in his left shoulder, not the right shoulder where the tear was discovered
So,
we have the left shoulder soreness to thank for discovery of the real issue? That’s kind of lucky, I guess. :/
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That and the fact that A's medical staff can't tell left from right
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here's how the convo went.
barton: see, doc, my right shoulder hurts.
medical staff: turn around.
barton: see it hurts here (points at spot on right shoulder)
medical staff: whoa, your left shoulder is hurt too.
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Medical staff quality
Maybe the tear is small, but isn’t the measure of a good doctor the ability to diagnose complicated problems early? before some body parts actually fall off? MLB season is long, if you start the season with some minor aches and pain, likely it would get a lot worse as the season goes on if you don’t nip it in the bud. Maybe we should only have waited 3 weeks instead of 3 months before we realize the aches and pain is not going away, and needs more serious attention.
Somewhere Geren is thinking “how do the docs still have a job?”
doesn't change the fact
that Barton has been in pain for 3 months, the pain has not gone away, and the team/docs have not increased their effort to find the root cause until now. For baseball player who needs to be in peak physical condition for 6 months in a year, this 3 month is an unforgivable waste of time.
by asfansince1989 on Jul 26, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
We don't know that he's been "in pain"
For three months. We only know that he’s had some discomfort. We also don’t know what the A’s trainers and doctors have or haven’t done.
by OaklandSi on Jul 26, 2011 4:52 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
don't know that he's in pain?
“Barton has allegedly complained of pain, discomfort and weakness in his shoulders for months and has been receiving treatment for his problems since the Minnesota series in April.”
by asfansince1989 on Jul 26, 2011 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Has been receiving treatment...
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by mikev on Jul 26, 2011 5:58 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Exactly.
The “allegedly” coming from an anonymous user, who created an account two days ago, and doesn’t choose to say how he/she knows what he/she knows. So it’s entirely possible that everything is true, but it’s not clear to the AN community exactly what is true and what is “what a user wants the community to hear and believe.”
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erm.. the "allegedly" is the "complained of pain" if that sentence is correct.
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"allegedly"
This about a player who has been insisting he was healthy for months. For all we know “treatment” may have been regular massage, which isn’t out of the ordinary or specifically a red flag for injury.
Without more information, my suspicion is that the truth is somewhat in between.
by OaklandSi on Jul 26, 2011 5:58 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Except....
This poster scooped everyone.
Just because a player says and does what’s expected of him in public doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a beef in private. I’d trust the information over what Barton said to Slusser today.
Did he scoop everyone because he actually knew it first
or because others were adhering to requests not to publish until after the game?
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That's definitely the case here, because it was going to be posted by one of the mods
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I think this post should have been deleted and a new one went up,
because obviously this guy just wanted to ‘scoop’ and has made no effort to be a part of the conversation.
by LoneStranger on Jul 27, 2011 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
He still has absolutely zero activity on AN
other than posting this. Weird.
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weird and a bit suspicious, like someone has an ulterior motive.
by AV on Jul 27, 2011 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
The motive was to "get it published,"
and apparently he couldn’t wait a few hours for BBG to publish it just like she said she would.
Basically, “Hi, could you scoop this story and publish it today…Oh, thanks for taking the time to write something; now I’m going to post something myself a few hours before so all your time was wasted!”
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i meant, what’s the motive behind getting it published? but once again, i’m only speculating from the viewers POV and not with inside info.
by AV on Jul 27, 2011 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh I see.
Right.
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I'm wondering who he is and how he heard about it, if it was something you guys were supposed to have scooped
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It was probably Cindi
Although, she knows better than to use “whom” in such a horrid manner.
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Wait - whom said you could call her horrid???
Was it Dori? It was Dori, wasn’t it?
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Specifically asked not to be identified
So I’m honoring that, even though I’m incredibly irritated at the way this was done.
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Ugh at what?
I feel “ugh” at this person posting this thread. But I can’t take a source speaking on “condition of anonymity” and throw him/her under the bus. It’s a good way never to get told anything again.
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It's more the first part, yes
It comes off like someone just made an account to beat you to the punch in breaking the story.
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but what’s the benefit of scooping something if you can’t put your name on it?
by AV on Jul 28, 2011 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Well what happened was that we were approached
and asked to scoop it, so BBG got a post ready to run after the game, and before she could run it…this appeared anyway, in which case why contact us and ask us to write something?
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FWIW, I think you'd be totally justified burning your source in that scenario
by Glorious Mundy on Jul 28, 2011 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmm...Just don't want to get the reputation
for changing the rules on “don’t reveal this…”
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I'm assuming so.
Sorry, didn’t realize this wasn’t apparent. As far as I know, the two people are one and the same.
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Did you ask?
Perhaps this is all a misunderstanding?
by LoneStranger on Jul 29, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
No (it's not my contact)
But I don’t think there was much to misunderstand. I assume it was impatience.
What’s also a bit suspicious, or at least hard to understand, is that the account appears to have been created the day BEFORE baseballgirl was contacted and asked to write and post something.
So…? Why’d you create an account to post this and then contact us asking us to write something…? I guess the misunderstanding could be “Could you post x?” vs. “Is it ok if I post x?” Though the request to BBG seemed purty clear…
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or it's possible they couldn't find it.
It turns out Brett Anderson’s UCL wasn’t actually torn, it was just stretched super duper thin.
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and it's possible that they are incompetent
Are we really going so far to care about hurting the feelings of A’s medical staff at the cost of our player’s health? Do we really want to give our medical staff a 2nd chance, risking some of our players suffering major damage?
Lots of coaches get fired for no reason other than that the players they worked with underperformed. Why would we give such leeway to our medical staff?
by asfansince1989 on Jul 26, 2011 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I doubt anyone here is worried about their feelings
Since the A’s did just do a complete overhaul of the training and medical staff, it seems premature to simply assume that they’re incompetent.
by OaklandSi on Jul 26, 2011 5:55 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Especially since they seem to have done more competent things this year than in years past.
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Assuming that he is going to have surgery now instead of delaying it for no apparent reason...
Who takes his 40 man spot? This could free up some roster space for trades.
Not sure if anyone's linked this here yet...
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Hmmm.
According to trainers’ logs, Beane said, Barton received treatment for three days and said the shoulder was better. He was logged in for shoulder exercises six times between May 6 and May 17 and reported that the shoulder improved as a result, and then the team did not hear anything else about it until just recently.
Beane said he has an e-mail from the training staff showing there had been an extra effort to get Barton in for shoulder exercises, but Barton did not comply.
“A trainer who has 25 guys to work on isn’t going to go drag one away from his iPad if he doesn’t bother to come in,” Beane said. “When a player clears himself from the trainer’s room, the assumption is he’s fine.”
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by EddieVegas_NRAF on Jul 27, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
so geren is too busy to explain fuentes's role to him, melvin is too busy to talk to carter following a game ending strike out and the trainer is too busy to check on the status of a player.
wtf? is it really so hard?
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The truth of it is there's only so much time the trainer (or trainers) have to work on people
I can tell you that from having spoken to someone not too long ago, he told me he had so many nagging little injuries he could take up an hour of the trainer’s time, easy, but there just isn’t enough time to go around for that and be able to tend to everybody else who’s got something bothering them.
I think this is a big part of why you see so many people just try to tough things out and play through pain.
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i appreciate your firsthand experience, but i find it mindboggling given the importance of the players. do the trainers still tape wrists and ankles? nobody has 2 minutes to ask? the manager, a coach? while on a bus ride? seriously?
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I really don't know how it is everywhere, but there might even just be assistants who do taping. Not sure.
Around the ballpark, some time is limited. If you have just six people that need half an hour of treatment apiece, that’s three hours eaten up right there. If someone can’t be taking care of things like that “in house” then you have to send them somewhere away from the ballpark and that also adds time to everything.
Standard disclaimer: I could be way off on the example, but it’s not like each player has a personal trainer whose focus is only that person.
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I think it boils down to the players talking to the assistants,
Assistants talking to Department Heads/Manager, and THEM talking to BB. I find it real strange that this organization continually has communication issues.
i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72
Considering the issues we often have with people on the team I help oversee as part of my job...
…communication issues don’t really surprise me any more. Disappointing, though.
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WIthout a doubt.
Surprise is one thing, but management leaders like Nolan Ryan seem to be able to correct issues before they fester. For example Michael Young’s role the last two years. BB doesn’t appear to be on top of it here. That is too bad.
i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72
I loved your photos, FF!
I don’t have a facebook account, so I had to wait for the Mrs to come home. I’m REALLY glad he didn’t hurt himself with that jump. You guys would never let me forget that. I still think some team is going to steal him in the offseason.
i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72
this is clearly on Barton, the guy clearly didn't want to put in the time to rehab the shoulder
Beane said he has an e-mail from the training staff showing there had been an extra effort to get Barton in for shoulder exercises, but Barton did not comply.
Chris Carter is the next Hank Aaron right?
by streetisclosedin08 on Jul 27, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Reading the latest from Slusser above
and that’s on Barton this time and not the medical staff. He’s where he is now because he kept kept his trap shut.
Barton, who had told reporters while in Oakland that there was no physical component to his slump, said in a follow-up text message to The Chronicle that he did the shoulder exercises once per series but did not feel they were helping.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/07/26/SPNB1KF8OB.DTL#ixzz1TLbmPIeO
this is now more worriesome than the actual injury and diagnose/treatment process
the front office, medical staff, and Barton all pointing fingers at each other, throwing each others under the bus.
Way to go guys, this is a sure fire winning formula
by asfansince1989 on Jul 27, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
FWIW
When I tore my labrum (in a high speed crash while skiing) I initially thought I had broken my shoulder. Once I was able to collect myself do a self assessment, I figured that since I could move my shoulder I hadn’t broken it, but it was sore. I iced and took a lot of aleve and finished out the ski season, but my shoulder never really felt right, and over time I began to have increased pain, loss of strength and loss of range of motion. I finally went to see a shoulder specialist — nine months later — who was very surprised I had waited so long to see a doctor. Anyway, he was pretty certain what the problem was even before the I had the confirming MRI. He also told me I could pass on the surgery but my shoulder would not get better unless I had the surgery. I had the surgery (repair with a couple of screws and tighten up the capsule) and spent months rehabbing my shoulder. It’s been a year now and it’s finally beginning to feel better than it did prior to having the surgery.
I suppose my point is, based on my experience, It is not unreasonable to think that one can tear their labrum and not realize for awhile that the shoulder problem is more than just the kind of aches and pains one might encounter as an athlete.
MTC
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it
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