Trade Deadline Thread, Vol. 3: The One Where Something Happens
by hero66 on Jul 25, 2011 11:32 AM PDT
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As we inch closer and closer to the deadline, there has been a lot of "interest" but little "action". Let's hope that this thread is good luck and something significant goes down. The latest from the rumor mill (nothing new, unfortunately):
- Breslow has drawn interest from the Red Sox and Yankees.
- The Red Sox have also inquired about Rich Harden
- We're willing to trade within the division or with the Giants (though I doubt this happens unless the Bailey to Texas rumor picks up steam again)
- Willing to deal Wuertz and Fuentes, but no interest in Matsui and not looking to move Balfour
And finally, not a trade rumor, but Keith Law says that Sonny Gray is in Oakland for a physical today and we will start him in Midland once he is stretched out. I don't know where they're getting it from (maybe just speculation), but Rotoworld says he could be called up in September and work out of the bullpen?!
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Sources in Atlanta....
are saying the Braves have acquired Willingham.
Do you think we can Hudson in return?
We sure could use his bat in the lineup….
i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72
prospects
its the best we could expect
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by OptimistPrime on Jul 25, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Tim could bat third or fourth for us though.
i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72
I admit it was pretty weak.
( but compared to our lineup?)
i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72
I do think so
A Kouzmanoff for the rest of us!
by OptimistPrime on Jul 25, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
None of those sources were real.
Do what I’m doing and plug Willingham’s name into twitter’s search area and see what you get….nothing.
Something happened!
According to a shitload of tweets from CBS Sports and ATL guys:
CBSSportsMLB Eye on Baseball
RT @DanielRathman: @CBSSportsMLB A’s trade Josh Willingham to Braves for prospects.
Andrew_Vig Andrew Vigliotti
#Braves acquire Josh Willingham for prospects
DanWeiner DanWeiner
Josh Willingham to the #Braves for prospects. Awaiting confirmation…
JZWhip Zach Whipple
A good fit if this goes down. RT @T_Kaufmann Source: A’s send Josh Willingham to the #Braves
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
TAYLOR TIME!!!
But we’ll get Sweeney and like it.
by TBRMKane on Jul 25, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
unfortunately, yes
i wouldnt mind seeing peterson but they apparently hate him
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
He is still a kid.
I like him as well, and expect to see him making noise next year.
i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72
We better be getting at least a C+ prospect for Josh
Someone like Christian Bethancourt, their young Catching prospect, or Edward Salcedo, the young SS, that would be a steal.
My mannerism a prism/ And it should shine
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Be A' Good Time
by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 25, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Ya I don't see what Brown and Rodriguez have to do with this
I vibrated with joy that join A's. -- Kim Seong-min
by WaddellCanseco on Jul 25, 2011 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, this is the season for rumors.
i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72
yeah I was searching for more confirmation on that
I think we should hold on to Willingham, personally. And trade almost everyone else. Depends on the team and the prospects though.
My mannerism a prism/ And it should shine
Light it if you would/ Be so kind, right now'd
Be A' Good Time
by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 25, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Our team is not so old that they need depends
and the prospects aren’t young enough to need pampers, are they?
John 3:16
"If they want to pay me like Mike Gallego, I’ll play like Gallego." - Rickey Henderson
well, shit
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
I guess it depends for who
Despite falling out of race, #A’s still refusing to talk Gio Gonzalez, a starter #Yankees would pay big to get
I can't understand why...
the Yankees wouldn’t want Cahill!?!?
Maybe they haven't seen him pitch against any team other than the Yankees
There is an evening coming in/Across the fields, one never seen before,/That lights no lamps. -- Philip Larkin, from "Going"
by Ray of Lite on Jul 25, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
In another MLBTR blurb
they wrote about how they refused to trade Betances, Montero, Banuelos or Romine unless they’re getting a number one in return. Well if they want Gonzalez, I’m asking for like, three of those guys and then some. Unless somebody comes up with a Haren-esque package, Gonzalez is staying put.
They do want Gio
The question is… is the Yankee’s stance that they wouldn’t part with their top prospects unless they got a Gio Gonzalez in return
OR
that they won’t part with their top prospects unless they receive better than a Gio Gonzalez?
The monster at the end of this blog.
The blurb said they'd "pay big" for Gonzalez but Beane won't discuss him.
I said below though, if they Gonzalez, I’d balk unless the Yankees would part with three of those guys. The Yankees pretend these players are gods, and they’re not.
Montero has a 102 wRC+.
Romine has a 106 wRC+.
Betances has a 4.02 FIP (he’s walking 5+ batters per nine innings).
Banuelos has a 3.97 FIP (he’s walking 4.97 batters per nine innings).
These guys are all excellent prospects but they’re not performing like the blue chip bargaining tools that the Yankees like to think would buy them anybody they want.
I'm saying that kind of package is what we should be looking at
We need to bring back a player who has already seen time in the majors if we are going to unload Gio.
Not necessarily
Montero (for example) is a excellent prospect. Why discount him because he hasn’t seen time in the Majors? About two weeks ago you could have used the same argument against Mike Trout. Would Dominic Brown have been a better prospect tham Trout simply because he started 2011 in the major leagues?
Scott Sizemore had big league time. Does that mean Purcey could have landed the A’s Montero?
The monster at the end of this blog.
I disagree that Montero is excellent though.
He doesn’t have a position and is a yankee. If he was on the rangers or rays or royals I’d give more respect to him, but the hype machine has been working overdrive on this kid since day 1 and he hasn’t done much to warrant the hype. A positionless player absolutely does not deserve top 10 prospect status, let alone top 3.
Success in the bigs > Success in the minors. I can’t believe you are trying to argue this.
You didn't say "success in the bigs"...
You said you wanted back “a player that has already seen time in the majors.” And grover pointed out that big league service time is not as important as something like talent, tools or potential in a player.
Montero has had one "subpar" year with the bat
and it’s as a 21 year old in AAA. How has he done nothing?
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
He has done nothing to show he can play on the field.
He hits okay, but is nowhere near in the league and class of a 1st ballot HOFer in Mig-Cab, who is one of the best hitters of this generation. He’s probably going to be as good as they said Joba was going to be, like, okay, but nothing crazy. Certainly not worth trading Gio over. I’d rather get Rasmus or Upton or someone who has produced in the bigs.
You'd trade Gio for 1.5 years of Upton?
You might want to explain that one.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Saying he hits "okay" is borderline insane.
Age 18, Low-A: wRC+ of 119
Age 19, High-A: wRC+ of 138
Age 19, AA: wRC+ of 123
Age 20, AAA: wRC+ of 114
Age 21, AAA: wRC+ of 102
He’s had ONE year that wasn’t good, and it came at age 21 in AAA.
aka: currently happening right now.
Michael Taylor had great years until last year.
Look, we’ve already been fooled by “Joba+Hughes: future HOFers” yankee prospect hype, this kid isnt putting up numbers right now and can’t play a field position, how difficult is that to understand that I don’t think he’s worth Gio?
Less difficult than you failing to understand
that NO ONE is saying he’s worth Gio.
However, he’d be a significant part of the acquisition.
The monster at the end of this blog.
You mean the one that says "Gio for Jesus"?
That one that if you actually read goes on to ay Montero PLUS 2 more players from the Yankees’ farm system.
A three prospect package (3) that includes Montero could be worth Gio.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Man, I think Montero's a bit overrated
but you’re being ridiculous. He’s still a top ten prospect in pretty much every single prospect list. He’s not worth Gonzalez by himself, but he’s the centerpiece of any deal the Yankees make for a top pitcher, and deservedly so.
Everyone knows he's not a catcher
it’s a testament to how good people think his bat is that he still ranked as a top 10 prospect.
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
I like Dominic Brown
But I can’t believe you’d classify his time in the Show as a “success”.
Montero is going to end up a 1B/DH type. But you seem to forget that he crushed the ball in AAA last year as a 20 year old.
Brown really isn’t available. Montero should be, if the Yank’s are pursuing Gio.
The monster at the end of this blog.
I think we can get a much, much bigger and better haul for Gio than what the Yanks have to offer.
Agreed?
Depends on who's interested in buying
I’m not advocating that the A’s should trade Gio. I don’t know who if anyone would be off limits from the Yankees’ farm system. I think a fair deal could be reached between the A’s and the Yanks.
The monster at the end of this blog.
We can assume that if Gonzalez were made available
the Yankees, Rangers, Red Sox and Reds would be interested, since they’re the ones who have expressed interest in Ubaldo Jimenez. They all have good farm systems, so a fair deal could easily be reached with any of those teams. My interest would probably be highest in the Rangers and Red Sox, and lowest in the Yankees, though.
Sure they do.
Since “what we need” is good young players. Their prospects are just less interesting to me, and that’s a personal opinion.
I just looked at it closer. It's not as great as I recall
but they have about a billion outfielders and they’re all mashing. They have a couple 3B, the most impressive being Will Middlebrooks. And they have Lars Anderson.
All of whom are blocked at the MLB level.
I saw the blurb on MLBTR
Some ambiguity, but I have to think that for Gio those 4 would be in the conversation.
I trust in Montero, have mixed feelings on Romine. Think Betances and Banuelos are products of the NY Yankee hype machine. Not saying they’re without talent, just over hyped.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Pretty much the same feelings towards them
though Romine is pretty much expected to stay at catcher, whereas Montero will probably move to 1B/DH. I like Banuelos a lot, but I think I might have a preference for LHP that wear high socks.
How many 1B/Dh types can we put on a 25-man roster?
25?
i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72
You truncated the question.
The full version is: How many 1B/DH types can we have on the 25-man roster and still not have one that’s any good?
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
Great point
That’s why I rely on veterans around here.
i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72
Sidebar says we are looking at Wily Mo Pena
DREAM TEAM TIME
1B: C. Davis
2B: J. Weeks
SS: C. Pennington
3B: D. Barton
C: J. Montero
LF: WM Pena
CF: J. Miller
RF: G. Jones
DH: C. Carter
lol jk
Uhh.
That outfield is terrible. how is that even a joking dream team? haha
"Caring about stuff binds us to the other people that care about stuff, and that creates the communities that makes life worth living."
lol jk?
really, thats clear? and did you miss my last line which said how is that even a joking dream team? to quote someone,
come on, why even post this? I cant be any more clear than that.
"Caring about stuff binds us to the other people that care about stuff, and that creates the communities that makes life worth living."
Its a dream team of crap.
hence, comedy…..eh maybe you dont have a sense of humor, i apologize for trying to be funny on this no-nonsense website LOL JK
wow that was hilarious.
i mean, im rolling on the floor right now. that use of LOL JK just kllled me.
"Caring about stuff binds us to the other people that care about stuff, and that creates the communities that makes life worth living."
if you dislike AN, then get off.
it’s stupid and unfair to us to just keep complaining about things on here. either stop complaining, or leave.
"Caring about stuff binds us to the other people that care about stuff, and that creates the communities that makes life worth living."
Feisty kid.
I like it.
Someday her tombstone will read,
"Here Lies MissOakland Barton. Hot baseball wife, beloved friend, defender of aprons." --Kyli
{Slaps on ass}
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
dude, she's a minor.
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DURRRR THEY’RE TOO OLD, BABIP IS TOO HIGH, TOO MANY Ks, DURRRRRR
no she's not.
"Caring about stuff binds us to the other people that care about stuff, and that creates the communities that makes life worth living."
thank you.
but mikev refuses to believe it.
Someday her tombstone will read,
"Here Lies MissOakland Barton. Hot baseball wife, beloved friend, defender of aprons." --Kyli
by MissOakland on Jul 26, 2011 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
You're like 12.
Official Athletics Nation Rotating Tagline Editor - Pam liked my old sig better.
My thoughtful watermelon is easily mistook for an early American catapult.
DURRRR THEY’RE TOO OLD, BABIP IS TOO HIGH, TOO MANY Ks, DURRRRRR
Yes mike.
I am like 12.
Someday her tombstone will read,
"Here Lies MissOakland Barton. Hot baseball wife, beloved friend, defender of aprons." --Kyli
by MissOakland on Jul 27, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Please link sources
thank you.
"If you wrote something for which someone sent you a check, if you cashed the check and it didn't bounce, and if you then paid the light bill with the money, I consider you talented." —Stephen King
so far I haven't seen any real confirmation of the Willingham-to-Braves rumor
of course, that doesn’t mean anything either way
Its still a rumor, but there is a lot of smoke....
A Kouzmanoff for the rest of us!
by OptimistPrime on Jul 25, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
So you're saying we acquired Lincecum?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
He's pretty thin.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
We traded for Smoak?
A Kouzmanoff for the rest of us!
by OptimistPrime on Jul 25, 2011 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I would hate having Lincecum on the team.
I know he’s one of the best pitchers and would make our team significantly better, but I would just feel dirty every time he struck somebody out.
Wade Hines
I just asked Trade Deadline Live on ESPN.
LIfe may not be a bowl of cherries.
But I’m currently eating a bowl of cherries, and it’s pretty f**kin’ awesome.
~GreenNGoldSooner
ooh, can you pass on the link to that?
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
sure, they haven't answered yet
LIfe may not be a bowl of cherries.
But I’m currently eating a bowl of cherries, and it’s pretty f**kin’ awesome.
~GreenNGoldSooner
http://espn.go.com/mlb/notebook/_/id/6791838/mlb-countdown-trade-deadline
LIfe may not be a bowl of cherries.
But I’m currently eating a bowl of cherries, and it’s pretty f**kin’ awesome.
~GreenNGoldSooner
interesting
JimBowdenESPNxm:
Thad Levine Rangers AGM confirmed they are monitoring: HBell,ABailey, HStreet and other back end guys #trades @mlbnetworkradio XM 89 [via Twitter]
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
Damn, the Rangers love to trade within the Divison
I can’t imagine that happening though. But if it somehow did, we better be getting someone like their top SS prospect, and I think their top prospect overall, Jurickson Profar…Or at least a Top 3-5 Prospect for Bailey, like Mike Olt at 3B who I really really like or Engel Beltre in the OF who has the potential to be a star.
My mannerism a prism/ And it should shine
Light it if you would/ Be so kind, right now'd
Be A' Good Time
by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 25, 2011 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Profar's not going anywhere.
BA had him as the #12 overall prospect on their midseason list. Wasn’t the rumor before that Beane asked for Chris Davis, Martin Perez and somebody else? I’d be seriously ecstatic if they got Perez or Erlin or Ross.
It’d be nice to kick the legs out of the Rangers’ future rotation.
And Chris Davis would be decent over a 1b.
by Brett Narloch on Jul 25, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm indifferent about him.
I think him and Carter might make a nice little power combo at 1B and DH, but you’re sacrificing a lot of defense either way. I wouldn’t require him in any deal. I’d rather have two pitching prospects, or a pitching prospect and Mike Olt, but he’s injured right now so he’d have to be a PTBNL.
When you think of Chris Davis
Think of Jack Cust without the ability to draw walks.
Official Athletics Nation Rotating Tagline Editor - Pam liked my old sig better.
My thoughtful watermelon is easily mistook for an early American catapult.
DURRRR THEY’RE TOO OLD, BABIP IS TOO HIGH, TOO MANY Ks, DURRRRRR
When I think of 1B in Oakland for the forseeable future...
I think Chris Davis is our best option.
by Brett Narloch on Jul 25, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I'm not saying we should trade Gio for him or anything...
But that’s certainly impressive no matter how you look at it. He seems to be hitting more like his rookie year than his last two, I’d love to take a look at him as long as we got 1 or 2 of Texas’s better prospects along with him in a deal for Bailey or soemthing like that.
I think Beane is probably thinking the same way
Ideally, any deal for Bailey with the Rangers should look like a decent deal even w/o Davis. And if Davis succeeds, it then becomes fuckin A type of deal.
by Billy Frijoles on Jul 25, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
"WE GOT BELTRE FROM THE RANGERS!!!!!!!
“…Aw, crap.”
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
If it is indeed true
The best I can really expect to get from them is a SP prospect like Brett Oberholtzer or JJ Hoover, both solid prospects but not elite ones, and also not bats.
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
I want Matsui!
Just for his movie collection.
i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72
can we throw in Barton?
A Kouzmanoff for the rest of us!
by OptimistPrime on Jul 25, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Absolutely not.
Someday her tombstone will read,
"Here Lies MissOakland Barton. Hot baseball wife, beloved friend, defender of aprons." --Kyli
I never put it down.
Someday her tombstone will read,
"Here Lies MissOakland Barton. Hot baseball wife, beloved friend, defender of aprons." --Kyli
Bats don't.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
That's 'cause he can't throw the...
Red Dot!!!!
i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72
I think the bats do miss Eveland
well they miss hitting against Eveland
its the reverse that’s not true
I’ve been overwhelmed and I’ve been underwhelmed. Can I ever just be whelmed?
At least we can develop pitchers.
We just seem to screw up hitters.
i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72
except weeks, somehow.
Although there’s time yet.
by Billy Frijoles on Jul 25, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
He spent so much time injured
the A’s didnt have time to develope him.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Excellent point....
plus he has his older brother to tell him how to do things correctly, not listen to the buffoons in the A’s organization.
Probably just trying to get the best prospect possible
I’m all for that strategy. I know the A’s need offense at the major league level but there is so much risk involved in developing prospects that I think it’s better to get the best one possible rather than try to fill a need. If the prospects are close in value then I could see focusing on getting hitters but I doubt that is the case here. The Braves system is much deeper in pitching prospects, if Willingham really is going to the Braves then I hope we’re getting a pitcher back as the centerpiece of the deal.
Who, besides me, enjoyed watching Jack Cust...
strike out with 1 out and the bases loaded yesterday?
by gwilt on Jul 25, 2011 12:15 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
redundant
A Kouzmanoff for the rest of us!
by OptimistPrime on Jul 25, 2011 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Pickup truck
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
You obviously do not use many pickup lines anymore, Sir
2011 Oakland Athletics: We have Cy Young pitchers and make yours look like it, too
The Yankees can stick it sideways.
i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72
Aren't the Yanks entitled to just take him when they want?
by Brett Narloch on Jul 25, 2011 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
what would they give us
I hate the Yankees farm system. Their prospects are almost always (almost always) vastly overrated.
My mannerism a prism/ And it should shine
Light it if you would/ Be so kind, right now'd
Be A' Good Time
by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 25, 2011 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
while logic tells me that a package like banuelos-betances-montero-etc would make sense for us
the fan in me despises the idea of gio in pinstripes
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
I want the A's to win as quickly as possible.
by Brett Narloch on Jul 25, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Mulder vs Buehrle!
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
The Mrs would be pissed!
She refused to watch the A’s after they traded Swisher, and only came back after meeting Gio in ST 2010. If BB trades Gio, she may never watch baseball again.
i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72
She could watch the Yankees if they have Gio and Swisher
I vibrated with joy that join A's. -- Kim Seong-min
by WaddellCanseco on Jul 25, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
NOT FUNNY!!!!
I just don’t swing that way. I would never allow the Evil Empire on the TV.
i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72
If Swisher doesn't end up back with the Yanks he's exactly the type of player we have been looking for.
He’d be really valuable here because he can play 1B, DH and all 3 OF spots. (Maybe only CF in a pinch, but he’s a fine defensive player who is not going to hurt you out there, unlike Willingam).
Also, he's Swisher.
I ♥ Swisher.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
Yes, and he can grow his hair long again and be magnificent
and all will be well and everyone will be happy
But theres no way we get all 3 of them.
I’d think the potential trade has 1 or maybe 2 of them and then crappy filler.
Absolutely NO way they would offer up all three
however, Montero/Betances and I would say maybe
A Kouzmanoff for the rest of us!
by OptimistPrime on Jul 25, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't.
I’d demand three of them. The Yankees seem to ask for number one starters like Gonzalez or Jimenez, but then balk at the high asking price. Their prospects are almost universally overrated, and while I still want them, I want all of them for somebody like Gonzalez.
Agreed, you would think people would learn after the Johan trade.
NY prospects are overrated more often than not. I’d also ask for Gardner in a deal for Gio so we have a sure thing LF or even CF. Expand it out and let them have whoever but Gio or Cahill MUST bring back a player who can slot into the everyday lineup who has had success at the big league level before. We need more than prospects for our most valuable assets.
Agreed.
I will be pissed if the A’s trade a big name pitcher and only get A players.
I’d be more than willing to part with anyone, really… but I want big league ready or successful AAA prospects in any package.
by Brett Narloch on Jul 25, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Gardner is one of my favorite players in the MLB.
I’d rather build towards the future with younger guys, but I could never say no to him.
He isn't very well respected in NY
Because OMGZZ NO DINGERZZZ but cot damn if he’s as good or better than Carl Crawford was in his prime. Incredible defender, baserunner, situational hitter. He’d be our leadoff guy forever and is the kind of player we absolutely must ask for in return for Gio.
I'm against trading Gio
I still think we can compete next season on the strength of our pitching.
*Insert something witty here*. Oh, and Stanfurd Sucks.
I agree with this
But only if FDLS is moved into a starting role because the A’s need another front of the rotation guy. And of course this assumes that Cahill can straighten himself out, and Ross can return to his early 2011 season form. Then throw in hopefully Braden and whoever the A’s pick up from the discard pile, and the rotation should be fine.
The thought of Gio in a Yankees uni makes me sick.
Someday her tombstone will read,
"Here Lies MissOakland Barton. Hot baseball wife, beloved friend, defender of aprons." --Kyli
(... but get Crawford in the trade)
i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72
Nah, I'd demand SJ territorial rights to close the deal.
The BoSox should have the power to make that happen.
i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72
love the dugout
wish they could still swear though.
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
Don't know if anyone already posted this
Sonny Gray:
Just had some pretty good pizza at Zachary’s.
Kieth Law:
Confirmed that first-rounder @SonnyGray2 is in Oakland today for a physical. Announcement could come later today.
Yep, there's that going on today.
Sonny Gray going directly to AA with the goal of a spot start up here in September….yay for quick-moving prospects!
Gio-Cahill-Anderson-FDLS-Gray in 2013? I think Cahill’s vastly overrated and would to see him moved but that’s a nice ro.
Happens quite often
Some drafted players sign deals that force the team to bring them up for a game in Sept.
Yeah, but it won't be for a start.
The report said he may be called up to work some innings out of the pen.
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And doesn't it usually happen with relief pitchers?
by Brett Narloch on Jul 25, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
It almost happened with Huston Street
I vaguely remember the A’s were thinking about bringing him up in Sept after he was drafted, they made him the closer opening day next season though. Gray might be like that, hopefully.
Why would you want Gray to make a token appearance this year?
Once again I’m dipping into option talk with only a partial understanding but this seems like an unnecessary move. While a September call up would not use up one of Gray’s option years (i think) it would mean putting him on the 40-man roster and that means that the 3 year option clock starts next season.
Gray is a pretty advanced prospect so hopefully he won’t need all 3 options and will be a regular on the A’s in a couple of years but lots of things can happen with prospects. Why even take a slight risk with his development for a pointless September call up? Just doesn’t make sense.
It all depends what his contract is
It may be a major league deal with a clause to have him up this year, we don’t know yet. I don’t think anyone is clamoring to see him this season but it is possible depending on contract details.
This.
Also the odds of him being on the opening day roster next year are very good…so why not get him familiar with the fans and give us hope to go watch them next year?
Are you joking?
Way less than 10 starts at AA, and he is going to be on the Opening Day roster? I don’t see it.
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Keith Law's tweet doesn't say anything but Gray was in Oakland for a physical.
and then he says that once he is stretched out enough, the plan is to send him to AA.
Nothing about a call up this year, nothing about the opening day roster next year, it’s just typical read something and then extrapolate on it and then present it as fact, not like that’s ever been done before.
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Rotoworld ftl!
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Huston Street threw 26 innings in the minors before getting promoted to closer.
Gray is older than Street was at that time.
There is a HUGE difference between a closer and a starter.
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because guys have to get stretched out to pitch in the bullpen
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But in the long run the A's hope he will be a starter
His chances of being on the opening day roster as a starter next season are very very small. That is why there is no need to rush him.
The only guys who tend to see the majors the same year they are drafted are full time relievers. If the A’s used their first round pick for a guy who they don’t plan on giving a shot as a starter than I will be very surprised.
You keep changing what we are talking about.
1. You stated he would be on the 2012 roster.
2. I said no way
3. You said Street did it after 26 innings.
4. I said there is a HUGE difference between starters and closers.
5. You say his late season callup will be as a reliever.
WHAT does that have to do with next Season’s opening Day roster?
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Ok
I personally am hoping he makes the team this year and throws an inning or 10 out of the pen, just to get some hype about him and to give the fans someone to cling their hopes on. If he makes the 2011 roster at some point, doesnt that logically mean he’d be considered for the big league roster next year at some point, barring injury or Tayloring*?
I then hope he kicks butt in winter ball and his stuff blows away everyone in ST and he makes the team on opening day as our 5th SP.
You don’t hope these things happen? FU.
*Tayloring = bring extremely awesome then sucking for no reason whatsoever.
he could also make the roster as a reliever a la Tyson Ross.
by Billy Frijoles on Jul 25, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
So, originally you said "the odds of him being on the opening say roster next year are very good"
Now you are saying that what you meant was you hope he makes the roster? And you are going to presume that the poster who challenged your original statement does not share that hope? And on top of that, you are going to tell him “FU”?
Just want to make sure I’ve got all of that straight.
by Glorious Mundy on Jul 25, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
No, youre way off
If he’s on the team this year, its very logical to assume he will see time next year, being a 22 year old advanced prospect on a team that’s forever having injury issues. I hope he pans out and is awesome. If anyone doesnt share that view they can GTFO.
There is no need for you to get nasty.
We were having a conversation, and then you changed the parameters. That’s all. I wanted to know what you were talking about, so that I could respond. Lighten up a tad.
As for his possible callup this season resulting in him making the 2012 roster? No, precisely because he will be pitching few innings from the pen. If we need him as a starter, he will have a lot to work on in the minors. I see a 2011 callup as more of a PR stunt, that gives him the feel of the big leagues and nothing more.
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There is also a big difference between making the Opening Day roster, as you originally claimed,
…and making the big league roster at some point in 2012.
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Sorry, I tend to veer in and out of consciousness when talking about predicting the future.
Because Gray could join the priesthood next week and be lost forever….predicting things in baseball is kind of a boring thing to talk about and I apologize for conversing with you about it. Yes my points are not airtight because nothing in this game is. Its just a random smattering of thoughts and opinons at this point in time. They could change tomorrow or they might actually happen over time, we can never know for sure.
I think this is a bunch of BS.
You got called out because you can’t keep your thoughts straight, then you cussed me out for no reason. Now you are trying to apologize for for conversing with me in the first place? Guess what? You won’t ever have to talk to me again, as I won’t respond to you in the future. How’s that.
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by Tutu-late on Jul 25, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fine by me, kimosabe
Go A’s!
PS: you may want to not take things said on a fansite so seriously, there’s no prizes given for making a post, its just chatter. I love chatter.
And some people love not getting cussed at
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by grover on Jul 25, 2011 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
You mean mikev does it to you
Since you do it to other people, maybe he thinks you’re OK with the practice.
And fuck rhetorical. I DON’T want those things to happen. I think put Gray in a position to even attempt those things is gross mismanagement on the part of the A’s.
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by grover on Jul 25, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Damn straight I'm entitled to my opinion
What entitles you to tell me to fuck off?
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Fuck off.
OOH. That was fun.
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oh…
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I didnt tell anyone to fuck off.
I asked a question
You don’t hope these things happen? FU.
If you answered “No” to it, then it does not apply to you. If you answered yes then, yes, fuck you.
And as I don't want those things to happen
Now… I could just flag you. But that might give you a sense of importance which your continued attempts at baseball “analysis” have thus far failed to achieve.
I realize you are meant to be taken seriously. I don’t have an issue with you having an opinion. I don’t even have a problem with you not knowing what you’re talking about. But I do take issue with you playing the hard-ass and then whining when people push back.
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by grover on Jul 25, 2011 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
awww, rabbit ears.
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Not to mention it was clearly rhetorical.
If he answered “no” to the question, then it does not apply.
I don't want hope
I want performance. Gray needs to work on his change-up and his command to pitch in a big league rotation. Unless the A’s are forced to sign him to a big league contract there’s no reason he should be on the 40 man roster in 2011. He will probably spend the bulk of his 2011 time in Midland’s bullpen, ala James Simmons back in 2007.
Simmons made a couple starts in ‘07, just to keep him stretched out. He then spent all of 2008 in the Rockhounds’ rotation.
There’s no reason to put extra wear-and-tear on Gray by having him pitch in winter ball. He’s already done the pitching start/stop with the break between the college year and pitching in Oakland’s farm system. Asking him to bounce back AGAIN after pitching into September and taking a break until whenever the Winter Leagues start puts alot of undo stress on his arm.
Remember Arnold Leon? He did the same thing. Where is he now? Recovering from TJ surgery.
Give Gray time this year to “find” the strike zone in pro ball. Make it clear to him that command and an improved change-up are the keys to his making it to the Show.
Forget creating hype for the fans. Build a talented big league pitcher. The hype will take care of itself.
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by grover on Jul 25, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Well, the A's could, in theory, do what the Twins did with J. Santana
(which they had to do because he was a Rule 5 pick). They put in him long relief, he got his feet wet, and then slid into the rotation. So that’s how it COULD be relevant.
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Sure, if the A's were FORCED to keep Gray on the roster in 2012
Which is what happened to Santana as a Rule V pick. That situation isn’t applicable in the case of Gray. Even if he signed a big league contract the A’s would still have 4 options to keep him in the minors if necessary.
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I'm not in any way suggesting it
Just pointing out a scenario where it COULD happen: The A’s feel he’s ready, pull a “Buck/Street/Ross” letting him make the team as “one of our best 12 guys,” but don’t put him in the rotation straightaway.
Which is dumb, but they’ve been dumb this way before.
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Don't advocate dumb.
Don’t support dumb.
Kill dumb on site.
(OK, the last is kinda extreme.)
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Plus...
Tyson Ross spent over a full season in the minors before getting called up.
Buck also had a season and a half before getting called up.
Street moved quick. He was also an advanced bullpen arm. He didn’t get a September appearance after getting drafted; he kicked butt during ST and forced the A’s to make the 40 man roster move.
Gray has a chance to be a top end SP. This “dumb” timeline moves him quicker than even Street!
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and Street was a closer in college and was drafted to be a closer
Just like Chris Sale was drafted by Chicago.
Completely different than Gray, and age doesn’t have a damn thing to do with it.
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3 full seasons pitching at Vandy has a little to do with it though.
He’s a lot more advanced than some are making him out to be.
Not really, no.
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I didnt make up that rumor about him pitching in the bigs this year, FYI
But I hope it happens, this year has been hard to watch. Something interesting like promoting a drafted player from 2011 makes up for forcing me to watch Suzuki, Pennington and Jackson all year.
for me that has been Weeks
I love watching that guy. We haven’t had an entertaining player in a while, so refreshing.
by Billy Frijoles on Jul 25, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
He certainly is an entertaining player, so extremely old school too!
I kind of hope he quits wearing batting gloves and wears his stirrups as high as possible, but keeps the dreads….crappy commentators wont know what to say about him!
No, but what you did do -- as usual
is take one tiny blurb from rotoworld which was also baseless and immediately present it as factual.
It’s your “thing” here though.
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and on that other site
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
which other site
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I'm actually reasonably sure what site and what user he's referring to
because the posting styles are almost identical
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Twice in this thread, he accused people of unsubstantiated rumours.
Then he says that he is free to ramble anything he wants without any basis of fact, change opinion mid-sentence, and that’s ok because… well, who knows why. Then he cusses out those who may not agree with his rambling?
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Sorry, dan
I don’t remember anyone reacting this way, when all I asked for was a clarification so that I could respond. I’ll go take another vicodin and start my chill-pills.
Shepherd’s Pie and wine, anyone?
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Does that mean you don't want to get drunk on red wine with me?
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Wow! That looks as big as a Stein!
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Oops! I forgot!
Well, you and I can have some, and what disappears out of the bottle will just go unnoticed.
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I just unloaded 3100 lbs of flooring.
In 95 degree heat. I’m ready for a popcorn siesta
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Not sue we'll be able to see the screen by then,
but I’m game .
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When the house is finished, you can come to Yosemite and watch the games on the bigscreen.
Beer, popcorn, baseball, BBQ, more beer…
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i might hafta take you up on it. it'd be an excellent vacation.
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It is a way to getaway from the city stress.
My nearest neighbor is about 1/4 mile away, and out of sight. Come, relax, and have fun.
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sf is not a very imposing big city. it doesn't have a real big city feel to me. one reason i love it.
but it’s still an excellent invitation. i’m honored.
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I'm buying Portaguese Diesel.
Goes great with the Pie.
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What? People said Willingham was traded to ATL. He was not.
They WERE unsubstantiated rumors, silly!
And yes I am free to ramble and change my opinion, as anyone is. Baseball changes daily, if you don’t change with it then you are just arrogant.
I didn’t curse anyone out, I asked a question that you were free to answer, if you answered Yes then yes, I will curse you out, if you answered No then it doesnt apply to you and you need to chillax brah.
yeah that one
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
Street wasn't the closer opening day 2005
He took the role after he dominated until mid-May 2005 and Octavio Dotel needed surgery.
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Not likely
The A’s don’t like to push college pitchers too hard after a long college season. Gray will likely get a few innings in AA and then wait for instructs in the fall. Especially with the A’s out of contention, there would be no reason to push Gray up to Oakland in September.
This argument is really funny
By the end of August, the A’s (and AN) will have a clearer idea what kind of minor league career Gray needs. If he’s ready, then he’ll be a contender for the big league club next spring and could get a cup of coffee in September. If it’s obvious he’s not, then he may not even show up at the big league camp in February.
That’s how it works.
His contract gives him a ST invite next year.
So regardless of how he does he will be in AZ next Feb.
agree, 2013
Gio, Anderson, FDLS, Free Agent, Gray, Free Agent……Very good.
We need to ship Cahill while he is still a very attractive trade chip….Ship him for a Power Hitting Prospect at C or 1B
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 25, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't see it happening either but he has been pretty solid in the pen
Dealing Bailey wouldn’t be the worst move.
what?
why?
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
I think that reads wrong
I don’t think the contract is bad at all. I just don’t see the A’s trading him becuase he is signed for so long and the A’s have trouble attracting free agents. Entire windows in which to compete will come and go while Cahill is still on contract. He’s a guy you build around.
to expand, he has options through 2017!
You can go through a total tear-down and rebuild and Cahill would still be there contributing!
nick swisher?
wasn’t he traded one year into a 5 year extension?
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I would prefer Gray get plenty of time in MIdland to work on his command.
He walked 51 in 128 IP last year. I’m excited about him, but why the hell would the A’s want to rush him like that? If they’re about to have a fire sale, they’re not going to compete next year. Why start his service clock so early?
Poster over at minorleagueball made a good point
I pretty much agree 100%
I think the idea is
The only thing that Gray might have trouble with at the A ball level is the strike zone, and that’s going to be the same for him at every level. He could probably just pitch off of his fastball/slider combination and easily handle the competition.
AA is probably going to tell us whether he’s ultimately a starter or a reliever, and it’s probably going to do it pretty quickly. I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets a few starts there and then Oakland has him finish the year in the pen to keep his workload low and to see how his stuff looks in short stints.
Like he says, I’m sure the A’s figure that it’d just be a waste of time to pitch him in Stockton because he’d be able to get by on pure stuff.
He reminds me of Chris Archer, who has similar control issues but was able to get by on a similarly good fastball/slider combo last season. His lack of control has been exposed this year, however, in AA. He really probably fits better in the bullpen, though, so I’m hoping Gray does better. But it does make sense for the A’s to try to find that out sooner than later.
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
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by hero66 on Jul 25, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm surprised Ziggy isn't mentioned
An extreme groundball pitcher? Sounds like a great fit for the Red Sux or someone. Plus he’s going to be getting expensive for the A’s soon. I’d hate to see him go as he’s one of my favorite players and hope it doesn’t happen but its something I fear.
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hahaha nothing is going to happen during this threads life, other than people arguing pointless things
I’m guessing there will be 8-12 deadline threads, anyone got an over/under on that?
probably
that’s why id rather they not be rec’d, it bumps more deserving fanposts off the front page.
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Atta boy Penny.
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I guess he is either Carlos Pena which means it will take him 3-4 teams to finally figure it out, or he is AAAA
by Billy Frijoles on Jul 26, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
How about Lars Anderson from Boston...
… for Breslow (or Fuentes, if they’d rather). Anderson is blocked by Gonzalez in Boston, and I think he’s a guy Beane has liked in the past. With Boston looking for RF and SP help, as well, perhaps Breslow & DeJesus gets it done, or Breslow & Harden?
The way Beane adores Barton, even after today, I’m not sure he’s looking for a 1B, as much as he should be, but I think Anderson could be had, and he’s an Oakland native who could come right in and start at 1B, and we should be in the market.
At AAA Pawtucket, he’s sporting a .754 OPS, 9 HR in 360 AB, 23 2B, 54 RBI, 54 BB, 90 K. With Gonzalez at 1B in Boston, his value to the Sox basically consists of waiting for the right trade, so why not us?
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I like the idea of getting Oakland natives
Oakland/East Bay natives were always a big part of the team.
by Billy Frijoles on Jul 26, 2011 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
AND HIS NAME IS LARS.
Lars is a pretty bad ass name.
With Lars Anderson and Trystan Magnussen
The A’s could lead the league in tire throw distance and keg toss.
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by YonYonson on Jul 26, 2011 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Ok
Maaaayyyybbbeee Rasmus makes sense.
Cards now appear to be shopping Rasmus widely. Nationals, who need CF and have pitching, had scout in STL last night. #tradedeadline
But not for anything close to Gio/Cahill. I might do Bailey straight up, and I think STL would have to consider that.
No they wouldn't.
I’d do it before they could hang up the phone.
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Right now StL is in a dead heat, and their crappy bullpen is a big reason why they aren't winning the division
There is no guarantee of keeping Pujols after this year; don’t you think they’ll try to make a run? Wouldn’t they rather have Bailey than Edwin Jackson?
Plus Rasmus is a cancer in that clubhouse.
by Billy Frijoles on Jul 26, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
They wouldn't?
Their bullpen is a mess, and Bailey is the best reliever who could get moved. 3.5 years of Bailey for 3.5 years of Rasmus. I’d be surprised if whatever they get for Rasmus (if they move him) greatly exceeds Andrew Bailey in terms of value.
Rasmus is exactly the type of player we need to get. Next year he is arbitration elgible. I don’t know what he will get, but having him under cost control for several years would be ideal. If you can’t sign free agents, this is how we have to get players.
by Slide Giambi on Jul 26, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Huh? Bailey's career WAR is 4.0
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fWAR vs rWAR strikes again!
rWAR likes Bailey quite a bit more than fWAR does. That’s because fWAR relies entirely on FIP while rWAR attempts to adjust for defense by using team fielding stats. You can decide for yourself whether you think that makes it better or worse.
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That's why I stick with saves for relievers,
and W-L for starters.
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or we could use statcorner, which uses tRa, and also thinks he's a 4.0 for his career
But hey, if they wanna overvalue the shit out of Bailey I’m cool with that.
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Yeah this is why I'm lukewarm on using WAR as some sort of definitive answer.
But I’m not above using it when it helps my point.
I can understand the logic with wanting to include defense
but I think that’s still flawed and I’d rather look at the pitcher and the pitcher alone
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Yeah, but what about pitchers who pitch to their defense?
Huh? Huh?
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Only acceptable if their defense is gritty and plays the game the right way.
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by mikev on Jul 26, 2011 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, in a sense they BOTH adjust for defense,
fWAR does so with brute force by using FIP to exclude entirely everything defense-related. Whereas rWAR tries to do a finer job of it.
I think both are flawed.
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Ouch.
Comment From Ed: A’s fan here. Nobody has any interest in Harden or McCarthy? Or any of the bullpen?
David_Schoenfield: Why would anyone trade for Rich Harden? I’m sure they’ll move a reliever or two. Supposedly talked with the Pirates about Wuertz.
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by EddieVegas_NRAF on Jul 26, 2011 10:37 AM PDT reply actions
Answer:
Why would anyone trade for Rich Harden?
Because he can beat the Yankees.
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Exactly.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
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Harden for Gonzalez?
I’m in.
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Not for nothing . . .
but Schoenfield also said Matsui won’t be moved because he can’t play defense.
That led me to believe that Schoenfield is a knucklehead.
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by EddieVegas_NRAF on Jul 26, 2011 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I've read a lot of his stuff since he took over for Neyer
not a huge fan
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
no, they send us $100 mln in cash. they're getting harden and we're stuck with adrian gonzalez.
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by Glorious Mundy on Jul 26, 2011 10:49 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I beg to disagree.
My kids have watched that movie non-stop since we bought it.
It NEVER ends!
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Veterans are being undervalued
There’s nothing going on this trade deadline because all the veterans are being undervalued - or prospects are being overvalued, or maybe the value is just right. In any case, if nobody can come up with a decent list of prospects for Beltran or Ubaldo, then that really says something about the market.
Unless the A’s want to give someone away or save a couple hundred thousand bucks, there’s little reason to move any reliever because they won’t get back a decent prospect in return. It’s also why, I think, Willingham and Crisp and DeJesus and Jackson are still on the club.
Seems to me that the only way any of these guys, or any reliever not named Bailey gets traded is if:
1. Someone gets really desperate on Saturday and gives away the store (not likely).
2. The A’s move someone so he can get a chance to be in a pennant race (that would apply I think only to Matsui)
3. The A’s want to open up the roster for Recker, Cardenas or Taylor, and are willing to move someone just to get him out of the way.
I can see De Jesus or Crisp getting through waivers in August and being moved at that point. Maybe Wuertz and Fuentes too.
Of course, this means that in an hour Willingham will be traded to Philly for Dominic Brown.
Yeah, I think you're right about prospects being overvalued right now
It’s almost like the market has shifted in the complete opposite direction of 20 years ago: unproven (but potentially great) talent is hoarded to become the centerpiece of a trade, whereas veterans are thrown in as trade filler.
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by cuppingmaster on Jul 26, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
unless baseball gets a salary cap this is how it will be for a long time; cost control is king.
by Billy Frijoles on Jul 26, 2011 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Sure, but that doesn't mean teams should trade UNproven players
If you have Evan Longoria after 2008 (one legit season), then you can trade him for a haul of vets that complete your team. The list of guys who fizzle at AAA is huge to trade real talent for that risk.
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by cuppingmaster on Jul 26, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
There is a long list of guys who fizzle in the majors too. AAA isn't some magic kill zone.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 26, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
In my mind, this was inclusive of people who fizzled in the majors
So thanks.
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by cuppingmaster on Jul 26, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
The point is that you can project players in the high minors about as well as the ones in the majors
The fact that someone’s only gotten to AA doesn’t mean that they’re harder to project
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 26, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Which is to say, sorta kinda
The big kink in MiLB stats is the constant switching of leagues and competition.
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by cuppingmaster on Jul 26, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorta kinda also applies to projecting major league players
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 26, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Not really
Unless you’re Todd Zeile and switched leagues every year, the competition remains relatively similar
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by cuppingmaster on Jul 26, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Well yes but there's a similar amount of uncertainty as projecting
high minor leaguers. The league switching thing hasn’t been shown to add substantial uncertainty.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 26, 2011 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions
the point is right now teams are willing to live with that risk rather than add proven talent to their teams
This is because of the huge potential windfall if the unproven talent becomes proven and suddenly you have a cornerstone of your team for 6 years at a controlled price.
by Billy Frijoles on Jul 26, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
It's also how GMs get roasted by columnists and fans (and sometimes fired)
“You had (superstar) in the organization and you let him go for a half season of a 35 year old, and you still didn’t make the playoffs?”
Also....
I went over to the Giants SB page. One knowledgeable poster noted that over the course of two months, the difference between a Beltran and a Ross or Burrell is less than a win, and you’d have to bench one or the other (though Rowand is probably the player who’d be gone). You’re not improving the team that much, so why give up a lot?
In the old days, you’d compare batting average, HR and RBI between Ross and Beltran and the chasm would seem huge. But with better statistical analysis, the chasm becomes more like a deep mud puddle, and you’re not going to give up Brandon Belt or any other top prospect for that. In that sense, even the difference between an Eli Whiteside and Ramon Hernandez starts to tighten.
Presumably they'd want him more for the postseason
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 26, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Even then...
You’d still be benching Ross or Burrell, either of whom are fully capable of transforming a series to the same degree as Beltran. But this is water under the bridge because Sabean isn’t about to give up any of his best prospects. Also, the Mets are making a move and the Wild Card is still wide open. I’m not even sure if Alderson will pull the trigger.
From some 6th grader in Baltimore via Twitter
According to my sources, the Oakland A’s have contacted the O’s about Adam Jones. The rumor is Trevor Cahill, Chris Carter, Stephen Parker, Josh Willingham, Ian Krol, and Kurt Suzuki for Adam Jones and Matt Wieters
-Via 6th grader at Recess, Baltimore Elementary
JUST KIDDING! I love the Trade Deadline…..So many rumors. Like this one I just created.
Lots of legit rumors, lots of baseless rumors, like anything from Bleacher Report, and lots of hoping and wishing that we make positive moves that will influence our success in 2012 and beyond. LETS GO BILLY! GET ON THE PHONE and stop watching replays of the Women’s World Cup
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 26, 2011 12:18 PM PDT reply actions
That'd be awesome. Get a Legit Catcher and OF
Lose some nice pieces, but that is what it takes
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 26, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
From some 7th Grader in New York, via Twitter
According to fellow 7th graders today at Lunch, The Oakland A’s are talking with the Yankees about a possible deal that would send Trevor Cahill, Grant Balfour and Matsui to NY for B. Gardner and Gary Sanchez
-7th Grader from the Bronx, Twitter update
Okay, sorry, last one. I think this is funny and I’m on my lunch break at work. I apologize for these fact-less rumors I’ve been reading about on Twitter.
Lets go A’s!
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 26, 2011 2:02 PM PDT reply actions
Well, we can't trade Cahill twice,
so either the 6th grader or the 7th grader is wrong.
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(But not both)
One of those deals is definitely going down.
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I think the 6th grader has better sources
I hope ESPN picks up his info soon. Maybe Buster Olney has caught wind of this
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 26, 2011 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Old Scouting Report on Willingham
I forgot that at one point Willingham was the starting catcher for the Marlins. I found an old scouting report that said the marlins didn’t know what to do with him, but he is tough and durable. Could he really play 3b? That would solve many problems.
Falcon Punch!
He has played 3B in minors coming up but hasn't been there in about 5 ys.
To think that he is a viable option there is kind of a non starter, even as a pro he has only logged 14 games (13 C, 1 1B) in a non OF/DH/PH role. Also, if you think his range/defensive is bad in LF now how do you think that will translate to the hot corner?
Yeah, I'd say 1B might be quasi-realistic but not 3B.
It’s also been a lot of years, and a lot of injuries, since Willingham was on the Marlins.
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YOU ARE on Top of your game right now!
Also, CoCo Crisp for Carlos Quentin?! Please
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 26, 2011 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes.
Bring him over, stick him in left. Re-sign Coco for a year to mitigate the defensive damage he can do and have your 2012 OF be Quentin-Crisp-Taylor. Bring in Willingham or JD Drew to DH. It could work.
hell yes he is
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 26, 2011 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions
2 months of Coco for 1.5 years of Quentin
when they make the same amount of money. Not happening. Joey Devine and Josh Outman for Quentin?
Plus, Quentin is arb-eligible next year
He’s going to cost more than the $5 million he’s getting this year.
I really don’t see the point of doing this.
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by PDXAthleticsfan on Jul 26, 2011 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
He'll make $8 or $9 mill next season.
I think he’s a great trade target for the A’s. He’s like a mini-Holliday. He’ll also be type A after 2012 in all likelihood. I’d give up a pair of pitchers not named Gio/Cahill/Ross/Bailey for him.
I guess the point is he is a good hitter.
by Billy Frijoles on Jul 26, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Quentin is a good fit for the A's. Bad D, but Power.
Lots of K’s, but Power.
We need Power. Trade some Defense in the name of POWER!
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 26, 2011 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I have the POWER!!!
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Thinking it through, yes,
But I don’t think the White Sox would take two post-TJ pitchers for that, especially as one recently forgot how to throw a strike. I don’t care how desperate they are to shed payroll.
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by PDXAthleticsfan on Jul 26, 2011 5:00 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I was thinking the White Sox would love some Bullpen help
in Grant Balfour and Joey Devine for Carlos Quentin
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 26, 2011 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm just kicking an idea around.
We can build a reasonable package for Quentin. Reasonable meaning no Gio/Cahill/Bailey/Ross
nor any Jemile/Green/Choice/Taylor. Anyone else, though, take a pair.
All you prospectors out there...
Where do you think the Sox stand on dealing Lavarnway? Any chance they’d part with him in a Breslow deal? Not only would he be a good addition to the A’s, but how often do you see baseball teams swapping Yale grads?
Slim to none.
I don’t think he’s much of a catcher, but if he hits anywhere near the level he is this year, it won’t matter much. Right now Boston has Saltalamacchia and Varitek. Saltalamacchia’s been more than serviceable, and Varitek’s been decent, too. But at 39, Varitek’s career is on its last leg, so I highly doubt they’d move a young, offensive-minded catcher for Craig Breslow.
They might be willing to part with one of their young outfielders, since they have so many of them. The A’s need a lot of help there, too, so that’d be cool.
I'm starting to believe that the A's will stand pat
unless something really overwhelming is proposed to them. And I don’t think that’s going to happen. Based upon Olney’s column this morning and other signals, plus the slowness of movement thus far, it seems to me to be far better to simply ride out the year, make whatever decisions need to be made on the players on the roster, and then take the compensation that comes accordingly. There is very little point in making trades simply for the point of making trades. Times have changed as far as teams’ willingness to part with substantial young players just to get that one player that might put you over the top. Even teams like the Yankees seem reticent to do it. Maybe I’ll be wrong and there will be a flurry of activity come Saturday and Sunday. Maybe the pressure of one deal will force another team to go farther out onto the limb and trade one of its more prized prospects. I don’t see it happening. I think this is going to be a dud of a trading deadline, hyped only by the media and the blogs. We’ll see.
Wow, AA is on his way to becoming the best GM in baseball
They could have quite the young core in Toronto—Escobar, Snider, Arencibia and Rasmus, in addition to their solid, young pitching.
*Insert something witty here*. Oh, and Stanfurd Sucks.
Don't forget Adam Lind and Eric Thames
C- Arencibia
1B- Lind
2B- Hill
3B- Bautista
SS- Escobar
LF- Snider
CF- Rasmus
RF- Thames
DH- ???
What have you done for me lately, Bill Beane?
by Brett Narloch on Jul 27, 2011 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
that is a nice lineup
Imagine if they somehow lure a Free Agent to Toronto in the Off-Season at DH. Don’t they have Rajai too? It is too bad they are stuck in the AL East. This team would win the NL West, easily.
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 27, 2011 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Give them a couple more years and they'll be right there.
by Brett Narloch on Jul 27, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I hope
They have quietly finished above .500 for the past few years. I hope that either the Red Sox or Yankees fall from grace.
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 27, 2011 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't count them out on Pujols or Fielder
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
that would be awesome
Give the Blue Jays a chance to make the playoffs next year
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 27, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Sure or trade him. Fielder or Pujols are in a different plane than Lind
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Lind is pretty darn good and way cheaper.
by Brett Narloch on Jul 27, 2011 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
He isn't really that good.
He projects as a 115-120 wRC+ hitter, and a slightly below average fielder at 1B, which makes him about a 2 WAR player. Even if you give him the benefit of the doubt and call him a 2-3 WAR player that’s not close to Fielder let alone Pujols.
Fielder projects as a 155-160 wRC+ hitter. Even with slightly worse defense than Lind, that’s about a 5 WAR player. I’m not seeing that they’re remotely close.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I think Lind's overrated
His OBP is a bit unsightly.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
again, their GM has to be nominated for best in the game over the past 2 years
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 27, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
To me, he's right up there with Epstein and Friedman at the top tier
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Yep
Those 3 are right there it seems.
Beane is so far from the top he needs a safety net to stop the fall.
Yeah, I wonder what the rankings would look like
There is no way Beane would be cracking the Top 15
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 27, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
I think Beane's still as good as he ever was.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Or Willingham.
He’d fit nicely into that lineup.
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OOH MAYBE WE CAN TRADE HIM AND GET RAJAI BACK
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Look for the Pirates, Reds, and Brewers to make moves now...
Willingham and Crisp could be on the go…
by Brett Narloch on Jul 27, 2011 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions
it is about to get interesting
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 27, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Edwin Jackson, Octavio Dotel, Mark Rzepczynski.
That’s what the Cards got back for Rasmus. The Blue Jays gave up Teahen, Frasor, Dotel and Rzepczynski for him.
wow
now we should get in on it. Toronto’s GM is dominating lately
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 27, 2011 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
And Stewart
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Still a steal for the Jays
Stewart’s nice, but Rasmus is a good OF with 3+ years of control
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Yep.
It’s a shame Beane couldn’t have been in on this deal. Ross and for Jackson and Teahen… then send Cahill and for Rasmus.
by Brett Narloch on Jul 27, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Stupid HTML...
My point is that the A’s could’ve made this deal work.
by Brett Narloch on Jul 27, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I think they could have easily gotten Rasmus for Cahill, if they wanted to
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Well yeah. Cahill alone is worth more than the package going to StL.
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Oh my god.
Cahill for Rasmus? That’s such an absurd overpay. Giving up Cahill and Ross for Rasmus? When the Cards took Jackson, Dotel and Rzerporrsz. That would have been terrible. 6 years of Cahill absolutely dwarfs what the Cards got in terms of value. It’s possible the A’s should have gotten in on Rasmus, but for like, Brad Ziegler, Conor Jackson, and Josh Outman. Not for Cahill or Ross.
You mean send Jackson for Rasmus, right?
Bringing Cahill into it makes no sense.
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If we were to match Rzepczynski and Dotel we could do it with
Ross and Wuertz or something. I don’t think we have anyone as good as Zach Stewart to obtain Jackson in the first place though.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe, if you believe in his health.
He might not be worth more to the Cardinals, since they’re going for it in 2011, but I guess they could trade him to the Jays for Rzeczynski and Dotel if they wanted to.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah
this is one of those “why couldn’t we get in on this” deals nico was talkinga bout
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
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How would we have gotten Jackson without having anyone like Stewart?
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I think Ross is as good as Stewart
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
Really?
He’s more advanced, but he’s got lower upside and more health concerns
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Huh. Sickels had Stewart's upside as a 3 or 4.
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Where does he say that? I don't see in the Top 20 list or in the book.
Sickels gave Stewart a B+ and Ross a B-. He has Stewart in his Top 50 pitchers and not Ross.
BA calls him a potential “mid-rotation starter”. Maybe that’s what you were referring to? They call Ross a potential “#2 starter”.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
This.
From last month: Prospect Of The Day
Right now, Stewart projects as a number three or four starter at the major league level.
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Ah. Thanks. FWIW he thinks Ross's upside is about the same.
From Sickel’s book.
He could develop into a number three starter if he stays healthy, although it wouldn’t surprise me if the bullpen is his eventual destination
Taking everything literally it sounds like he thinks Ross has the very slightly higher upside but much more risk and that Stewart is the better prospect overall.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
based on health and mechanics, yeah.
But they’re comparable, anyway.
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Would you trade Ross, Balfour, Wuertz,
Fuentes and Sweeney or $10M for Rasmus?
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Except that's not what the trade was
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If Ross = Stewart, then Balfour = Frasor
Wuertz = Dotel, Fuentes = Rzepczynski and the Jays took Teahen’s contract plus Balfour and Fuentes make a lot more than Rzepczynski and and Frasor. Feel free to use whatever dollar figure you think evens it out
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Now they're saying the Jays are sending
3 PTBNLs or cash too
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, they gave up Zach Stewart not Teahen
White Sox did pretty well with that deal, but the Cards got seriously robbed
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
why couldn't we offer
Krol, Willingham, and Wuertz for Rasmus?
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 27, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
You love Rasmus that much?
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
damn yeah, that is tooo much for Rasmus!
Cahill can bring us more than Rasmus, if we decide to trade him
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 27, 2011 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Let's hope he pitches like the old Cahill
and not the one the last two months
Well we could have, but that's nowhere near as good as Jackson, Dotel and Rzepczinski
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
really!?
I guess I’m just really down on Jackson.
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 27, 2011 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Even so, they have to annoyed at how little the Cards got for him
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe.
But maybe the the rest of MLB valued Rasmus in the same way the Cards did, as opposed to the way guys like me on their computers checking fangraphs value him. Maybe he’s the new Lastings Milledge. I mean, his last 50 games have been worse than Kurt Suzuki’s 2011 season.
I think of him as being about as good as Nick Swisher potentially, which is pretty good.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Guess I'm not too sad now
Just got an email offer from MLB – $25 for MLB.TV premium for the rest of the season. Good times. now i can watch every A’s game!
It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.
.
#athletics move of grant green from infield to cf could be precursor to crisp trade. #indians, others interested. #tradedeadline
Don’t see his point, seems like speculation. Green move probably not related to what the A’s plan to do in CF the rest of the season since he’s probably a year away offensively and definitely needs more time in CF defensively. Crisp to CLE could work though. Get a cheap bullpen arm.
That sounds like a bored writer looking for a scoop (any scoop) during a slow trade season.
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by PDXAthleticsfan on Jul 27, 2011 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Dumb speculation by Heyman
One has nothing to do with either
Beane shouldve got in on this
Buster_ESPN
The trade: Colby Rasmus, Trever Miller, Brian Tallet and P.J. Walters for Jackson, Marc Rzepczynski, Dotel and Corey Patterson.
by J.J. Miller on Jul 27, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
What a horrible deal for the Cards.
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Wow. Mozeliak should be fired immediately.
First he didn’t sign Pujols and now this.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
The Grant Green thing is not completely implausible.
If any A’s outfielder is traded, that creates a gap for one of our AAA outfielders to be called up. Maybe they’ve wanted to move Green to CF for a while now and what was stopping them was a logjam in the AAA outfield, so they were just waiting for the trade.
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seems like a stretch to me
Would they really promote someone to MLB after 2 weeks at a new position?
No. Especially when his hitting has been utterly average.
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So I guess they weren't shopping Rasmus after all
They were dumping him for a bunch of drek.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
He had to have been a real asshole
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
Apparently his dad is even worse than Ed Crosby
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, but this guy can hit...
the Red Dot!
i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72
I'm still pissed we didn't get in on the Rasmus auction
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 27, 2011 10:12 AM PDT reply actions
indeed
especially after i put up a whole fanpost when it was only a whisper that Rasmus could be available.
I thought Beane read our posts!
It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.
I don't see how we could have done that without trading Cahill or Gio
Maybe Bailey, Harden, McCarthy and Sweeney or something?
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Huh?
Jackson, Rzaepzipapiepjiaei, Dotel, and Patterson?
That’s like Harden, Breslow, Weurtz, and Conor Jackson.
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Edwin's a lot better than any of those guys except Harden and he's not make of glass
Rzepczynski’s a lot better than Breslow. Patterson’s at least a decent defensive replacement and pinch runner while Conor’s useless. Wuertz and Dotel are comparable I agree.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
I think where we're "weak" in the trade market
is that our SPs are all too good or too bad. You don’t want to move Cahill or Gio but McCarthy, Outman, Harden and Ross (all partly due to health) aren’t appealing enough.
Number 3 starters get moved for too much in return at the deadline and we have a couple #1-2s and a bunch of #4-5s. This is where a healthy Braden might have gotten OAK a real haul this week.
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Toronto didn't have Jackson either but they were able to get him by trading
a B+ prospect. For us that would have been someone like Choice, which I wouldn’t have done.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
It's not exactly that they're too good or too bad.
It’s that none of them are good-right-now-but-no-good-later, which is what really moves at the trade deadline.
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Except Harden
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Exactly why I voted for Harden in the poll above.
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Apparently Boston was scouting him today.
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More like
Harden, Griffin, Wuertz, one of the billion OF’ers we have in AAA sans Taylor
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah if the Cards really wanted a short term rotation upgrade
primarily, then we had no place in the conversation. Our pitchers are either injury prone, or way too valuable to give up.
Pity we couldn't get Jackson though
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
No thanks. I think he's pretty awful.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
This is true.
But if I’m trading with the White Sox, I’d rather focus on Carlos Quentin. In fact, I’d rather have 2012 of Quentin than 2012-2014 of Rasmus.
What's so great about Quentin?
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
So you want to "go for it" in 2012 with Quentin replacing Willingham?
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
An OF of Willingham, Crisp and Quentin?
Interesting
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
With J.D. Drew DHing and Sweeney as a 4th OF.
That is the officially sponsored BWH plan for 2012.
A good Michael Taylor would help, also.
You want to trade Carter for Quentin?
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
How is this better than the old failed plans of
“get older players who are on the decline and hope for the best”?
Also an OF of Willingham, Crisp, and Quentin would only catch the balls Crisp can get to.
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It's the same plan
which means: it’s a realistic plan. Also, Quentin is 29 next year, he’s not “older”. Also, again, Quentin is Type A probably.
Quentin is somewhere between Holliday and Willingham in terms of value.
I guess you like Quentin more than I do
He benefits a lot from playing at US Cell.
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I think E.Jackson is vastly overrated
A comparable trade would have been: Tyson Ross, Josh Willingham, and Grant Balfour…right? Actually, that seems like a better trade, regardless of Ross current status. Even substitute Ross for Brandon McCarthy and throw in a prospect with Willingham and Balfour, I think that is a better trade as well.
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 27, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I seem to like Jackson more than others here.
I think of him as a decent mid rotation starter — maybe a 3 WAR guy
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
actually, he does seem to project as a good 3rd/4th starter in a year or two
But, no way is he as good as McCarthy right now
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 27, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
he is. he's having a good year this year actually.
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McCarthy 3.65
Jackson 3.65
It’s uncanny!
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
ok yes,
Jackson is having a good year
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 27, 2011 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Jackson is having a good year?
Damn, well I guess I haven’t been paying attention. Let me look at his stats really quick
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 27, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe we can pull of a similar trade for Upton?
Although it seems as though the Cards were a little more desperate in their shopping of Rasmus…
*Insert something witty here*. Oh, and Stanfurd Sucks.
Doubt it. Friedman isn't an idiot.
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Upton's a FA after 2012 though. I'm not sure we want him unless we're signing him long term.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't even want BJ Upton
The guy is really talented, but he’s not actually a very good player. This year he’s batting .227/.307/.395, which is a lot like DeJesus, last year he hit .237/.322/.424, and the year before he hit .241/.313/.373.
And he’s well known to be a “bad attitude” guy repeatedly benched by Maddon, whom guys love to play for. He’s way, way overrated.
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I wonder whether he has a worse attitude than Tony Rasmus
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
You mean Colby?
Rasmus is the better player, and few players spar with Maddon while many spar with LaRussa. Advantage: Rasmus
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Tony is Colby's Ed
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Rasmus would have fit in well here
He would have told the A’s wonderful hitting instructors to stick it and probably hit .400.
Who the hell knows but Beane probably heard the reports about him not listening to McGwire etc (If true) and said no.
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You can't blame them
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
its a war zone over there
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
Is anyone actually defending the Cards on this deal?
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
the cards?
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
I don
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
't think anyone in St Louis is going to agree with them
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Keith Law
also hates what the Cardinals did.
snip snip
The Cardinals, meanwhile, have made a terrible organizational move by allowing their aging manager to run off the best hitting prospect the team has produced since drafting Albert Pujols. Whether La Russa was mostly responsible or only shares responsibility with Rasmus and his father, it is clear that La Russa’s my-way-or-the-highway mentality has hurt the organization for this year and several years to come with the Rasmus fiasco, and unfortunately the front office’s decision to retain La Russa for 2011 has come back to haunt them.
well, fuck
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
At least this paves the way for more OF deals
Crisp, Willingham, DeJesus could be next…
*Insert something witty here*. Oh, and Stanfurd Sucks.
yes
in fact that will be the premise of the next deadline thread i put up soon
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
Isn't Beane being underwhelmed by offers for Willingham, DeJesus and Wuertz
That’s what Rotoworld said but then when are they accurate anyway?
I'm holding out hope for something with the Braves
esp. with McCann going on the DL. They need offense
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has anyone dropped these quotes here yet?
Beane: “We’ve accepted calls on players, but we made it clear we’re not going to give these guys away. We don’t have any monetary issues, and we’re not looking to dump payroll. If we did anything, it would have to help us significantly moving forward, not some team’s prospect No. 37. In respect for Bob Melvin, we’re not going to strip-mine things for two months for players of no consequence.”
Slusser: Beane said he believes that two months’ more service from the A’s pending free agents, plus any potential draft compensation picks for losing them, would be more valuable than the types of proposals he has seen.
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by AV on Jul 27, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
sounds like beane is counting on draft picks being in the new CBA
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It does seem that way.
At the very least, he isn’t convinced they’ll be gone.
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Sabean caved in and gave gary brown...good
Maybe this increases the market for other OF’s now available…we hope
by J.J. Miller on Jul 27, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
That has to be a great deal for them as long as they didn't give up Belt
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
centered around gary brown
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
Then it's probably fair
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
I CAN'T WAIT TO HEAR ALL ABOUT IT ON 95.7
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by mikev on Jul 27, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Giants are expected to give up pitcher Zach Wheeler as the centerpiece of the Beltran trade.#trades
Olney
That's a pretty good deal for both clubs, no?
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Seems to be
I was going to say the Giants overpaid, but then I looked at how good Beltran has been this year. That’s a huge upgrade for them.
by Glorious Mundy on Jul 27, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd still say an overpay
Wheeler is very good and Beltran is just a rental for the rest of this year.
by longtimeasfan on Jul 27, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe. I'd think SF had a shot at keeping him, maybe even before he's a FA.
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But he's a rental who might legitimately be the difference between them winning another title and not
That’s what makes it win-win. Then again, I might not be realizing how good a prospect Wheeler is.
by Glorious Mundy on Jul 27, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
That's true
and why Giants would do it – but still I think its an overpay – particularly since the Mets seemed pretty set on dealing Beltran. But, I’m guessing that McCann’s injury got the Braves willing to give up one of their pitchers they otherwise had been unwilling to give up – so Sabean probably had to include Wheeler.
by longtimeasfan on Jul 27, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
How good do we think Wheeler is?
2008 Anderson/Cahill good? Better? I’m having trouble figuring out the values here.
by Glorious Mundy on Jul 27, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Sickels ranked him a straight B.
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That doesn't sound all that amazing for the Mets then
by Glorious Mundy on Jul 27, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Sickels's main concern was "command issues" and Wheeler
did improve from 5.8 to 4.8 BB/9 while moving up a level
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Which is the same as Josh Outman and Henry Rodriguez, better
than Tyson Ross but worse than Fautino, Gio and Trevor
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Unlike the Marlins 1B.
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guys over at mccoveycove say
he’s got poor mechanics and may be prone to break down ala Tim Alderson
Falcon Punch!
Wheeler and Gary Brown?
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If its both
other than Beltran being on the Giants I’ll actually be kind of happy. That would be a HUGE overpay.
by longtimeasfan on Jul 27, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
ESPN says it might be Surkamp and/or Peguero
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
olney says wheeler
http://twitter.com/#!/Buster_ESPN/statuses/96275069822705666
sherman says wheeler but no brown
http://twitter.com/#!/Joelsherman1/statuses/96276946375282688
Yes, I think they meant Surkamp and/or Peguero in addition to Wheeler
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I didn't take it that way, I was just trying to clarify
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
And now Sherman's saying it's just Wheeler and cash
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 27, 2011 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
man
i would think so. linky
seems like mets could have pried another name out of them, but a live arm for a rental ain’t bad i guess.
by mk on Jul 27, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Strange that there's nothing on McC about the Beltran deal
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And he gave up a run in the first inning!
by Glorious Mundy on Jul 27, 2011 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
And Cleveland has 4 errors and a passed ball
The passed ball of course cost a run but the errors didn’t. They scored an insurance run with the aid of an error on a SB runner to 3rd (error) but a base hit would have scored the run from second anyway.
They had Bourjos doubled off to end inning and threw the ball and hit him
I guess they are having a bad day.
Yep, leadoff guy reached on error
then SB, GO and WP scored him. No baserunners until a walk in the eighth. Weird game.
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by PDXAthleticsfan on Jul 27, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Travis Buck leading off here PH
No wonder Santana has a no hitter going. Strikes out looking
good for him
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Yay Ervin!
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