Moscoso Implodes, A's Lose 8-3
by danmerqury on Jul 19, 2011 7:19 PM PDT
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In the 4th inning, the A's loaded the bases with no one out. And just like that...David DeJesus grounded into a force out at home, and Conor Jackson followed DeJesus's performance by grounding into a double play. No runs scored.
The last man to reach base in the top of the 4th was Scott Sizemore, who squared up to bunt, and had to spin away at the ball heading for his face. The ball still hit him in the collarbone area, and he fell down and laid on the ground for a few minutes. Bob Melvin immediately replaced him with Eric Sogard. Apparently, he was hit in the jaw and the neck, and X-rays are negative.
In the bottom of the same inning, the Tigers had Victor Martinez on first with two outs. Carlos Guillen hit a liner right over first base, which stayed fair. Thanks to a strong throw, catcher Kurt Suzuki caught the ball while Guillen was still two strides away. And yet...Martinez did a little chicken dance around the plate, and tagged it safely.
Thankfully, the A's scored three times in the top of the 5th, but then Guillermo Moscoso reminded everyone why every advanced pitching statistic in existence flashed giant red "DANGER WILL ROBINSON" warning signs about him. He allowed six runs in the bottom of the 5th, off the strength of two singles, two doubles, and two home runs, one of which came from the bat of Miguel Cabrera. Moscoso clearly was afraid to challenge him, as he was exclusively pitching away. Then, Moscoso missed, and threw a belt-high fastball right down the middle. Gone. And that was that.
The A's try again tomorrow at 4:05 Pacific, as Brandon McCarthy opposes something named "Duane Below", making his major league debut.
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Did anyone see this coming from Moscoso I mean?
I’m not sure why I continued to watch this after we went down 5, I mean I love the game. Though it’s like the pizza I just ate it is good, and keeps me entertained for a minute but I know I am going to get terrible heartburn in two hours. With the A’s I am entertained for a few innings though I know any second the game may take a total turn. Just no consistency.
People ask me what the most memorable moment in my life is they assume it was 9/11 no i tell them it was the tragedy of 10-3-06 when 55,000 of Minnesota's finest were left dea... i mean heartbroken.
You are correct
consistently awful.
People ask me what the most memorable moment in my life is they assume it was 9/11 no i tell them it was the tragedy of 10-3-06 when 55,000 of Minnesota's finest were left dea... i mean heartbroken.
A B C D E F pig H I J K L M N O pig Q R S T U pig W X Y pig sing with pig.
by LoneStranger on Jul 19, 2011 7:43 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
That is so deep, Daric Barton would never dive into it.
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It's an original piece by Hunter.
He’s entering into his silly replace-a-part-of-a -hrase-with-something-else phase. This was one of his tame pieces. Most of the others created today use a variation on the key word ‘poop.’
by LoneStranger on Jul 19, 2011 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
So Hunter must be
around 2 years old? 2.5? 8]
As long as he keeps loving Kurt Suzuki, he’s okay in my book.
Just turned three on the 11th.
I was actually impressed at how he chose the letters to replace with ‘pig.’ He definitely used the pattern of the song for placement.
He loves Daric Barton, too. When we’re playing ball, Daric Barton comes up to bat a lot.
by LoneStranger on Jul 20, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
In Midland...
Grant Green 2 for 4 with a HR.
Shane Peterson 3 for 4 with a HR.
The team made one error. It was by…Green. ;-(
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So Green's a natural DH too, huh?
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 20, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
We're gonna field 9 DHs.
And just rotate them around the field so they don’t get bored. Maybe that’s the new strategy…. winning games 30-25.
by LoneStranger on Jul 20, 2011 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Assuming Sizemore does not land on the DL
But will miss a few days, they will only have 2 extra position players with the 8 man bullpen they currently have. Rosales can’t be recalled for a week (unless someone goes on the DL), and Kouz is no longer on the 40 man. Other than FDLS, who in the bullpen has an option? I would not be surprised to see a Ziegler or Balfour traded in the next 18 hours, with maybe Barton recalled.
Cardenas is only DHing in Sacramento
by OaklandSi on Jul 19, 2011 8:42 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
That's good to hear
He was listed in tonight’s game at DH, and appears on the roster as DH
by OaklandSi on Jul 19, 2011 8:51 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
How do they decide these things? Coin flip?
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Is it my imagination...
Or over the past five years have the A’s been really horrendous at roster management?
Not great, IMO
But I don’t really know how it compares to other teams. Probably all teams’ fans feel this way. But yeah. Bugs me how they jerk Cardenas and Carter around defensively, personally.
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Well, look at the roster we had to work with...
Not to mention the injuries. It’s like making a quilt out of landmines.
(Sorry, not sure where I got that one.)
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One man’s “jerk[ing] … Carter around defensively” is another man’s “obviously the team has come to believe that Carter cannot even be adequate at any defensive position and so is not even bothering.”
Putting him at DH every day would be terrific
That would not be jerking him around; that would be making a clear and smart decision.
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That must be why they're giving him some time at 1B again in Sacramento, right?
Of course, with Barton on the short 7-day DL maybe they can’t help it and will just DH Carter once Barton’s out there again.
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He's played some of both lately
Listing someone at a certain position doesn’t really mean anything in the minors when that person gets moved around so much. It’s not like Michael Choice playing CF every game.
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Probably no different than what it is for most AL teams with a dedicated DH
Odd for the minors, though.
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They could transfer Anderson to the 60-day DL to make room on the 40 man for, lets say, Cardenas.
Upon which they could option FDLS, as you suggest, to open a spot on the active roster.
Cardenas is actually already on the 40 man
They could add Kouz if they moved Anderson to 60 day DL, then DFA him again in a few days when Sizemore is okay.
Thanks for the correction.
I certainly wouldn’t be opposed to DFAing Kouz again.
by Aufheben on Jul 19, 2011 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well that sucked.
Had the lead for a minute there. I’ll be at Comerica Park again tomorrow night… hoping for a better result.
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So Moscoso turned into a pumpkin
And his fellow Venezuelans – Martínez, Guillen, and especially Cabrera – did him in. Moscoso and Cabrera are from the same town. I have the feeling they know each other well.
by OaklandSi on Jul 19, 2011 8:41 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
is it a small town?
there are a lot of people in my hometown I don’t know very well.
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by mikev on Jul 19, 2011 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
They're close in age and both baseball players
And the town isnt that big. I’m pretty sure they’d know each other. Cabrera would have been a star who everyone knew. Moscoso was also likely to be good, or he’d never have gotten interest from MLB. Plus, baseball in Venezuela is a very big deal.
by OaklandSi on Jul 19, 2011 8:59 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Lots of baseball players from Maracay
Elvis Andrus, Bobby Abreu and Alberto Callaspo are all from there.
I certainly wouldn’t call it a small town. The metro area is about 2 million, making it the fifth largest city in the country. One of eight that hosts a professional baseball team.
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This has inspired me
to write a fanpost about Venezuela.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
Small compares to Caracas
Especially in baseball circles, which is what I was referring to.
by OaklandSi on Jul 20, 2011 5:06 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
But in fairness
It is like saying a guy from Orange County would know another guy in Orange County because it is small compared to Los Angeles County or New York.
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fine. as I mentioned, I was referring to baseball circles
I would be very surprised if they hadn’t played with or against each other in Venezuela.
Of course, It might be purely coincidental that Moscoso finally had his meltdown against Cabrera and two fellow Venezuelans.
And speaking of Orange County, it’s also quite likely that two outstanding young ballplayers of the same age from there would have played with or against each other. Multiply that by several magnitudes in baseball-crazy Venezuela.
I agree with Si.
I think it’s very likely that Cabrera and Moscoso know each other.
It would be interesting to ask Moscoso. The usual baseball data sources show that Cabrera went to high school in Maracay. For Moscoso they only show that he was born there, with no indication of where he grew up.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
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They might even have been drinking buddies.
Oh, I di’int!
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I think that was Cabrera and Loaiza.
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Why wasn't Moscosco pulled quicker?
Can anyone explain the reason Melvin left Moscoso to continue to pitch after Detroit closed the score to 3 – 2 ? It seemed obvious to me that Moscoso clearly showed that he no longer could get the batters out. If my perception is highly questionable about that point in the game, surely the signs were very clear that he was in serious trouble when the Tigers tied the game. Yet Melvin waited till it was obviously too late for us to hope to come back for a tie or for a win (considering our formidable, potent offense).
Meh. I too could see Moscoso about to implode,
but that doesn’t mean you pull him there. It’s more that you hope you’re wrong (because sometimes it looks like someone is “done” and then he rebounds), and hope he gets one more out because if he does he might be able to go a couple more innings. You’re not going to pull a guy after 4.2 IP, having given up one ER, just because it looks like he might be losing it. He made a bunch of bad pitches, it happens. I can’t fault Melvin there.
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two outs already
rolling the dice, giving a chance for relievers to warm up
by MobiusKlein on Jul 19, 2011 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions
If you pull Moscoso there,
you’re guaranteed to need either 3.1 IP from your bullpen in a loss or 4.1 IP from your bullpen starting with no margin for error. It’s a losing proposition compared to hoping your starting pitcher can get one out and then hopefully regroup. Lots of times guys look like they’re out of gas only to get a second wind. Too bad he threw an endless supply of terrible pitches.
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20/20 hindsight and all
works best from the armchair.
by MobiusKlein on Jul 19, 2011 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Melvin is now saying
He should have pulled him earlier.
Maybe, but then we would have a crappy bullpen for today's game
I’m liking the matchup today with McCarthy against an AAA starter with Bailey/Balfour well-rested and Willingham in the lineup.
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by cuppingmaster on Jul 20, 2011 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Before the Guillen HR, which makes more sense.
He failed several tries to get that last out and at 5-3 the game was stiil well within reach. I really like that Melvin is up front about a possible mistake, and would say if anything he’s being too hard on himself. Tough to come out looking good no matter how you play it when your SP implodes so badly in the 5th inning.
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Okay . . . Thanks for the explanation
Thanks for the explanation, Nico. I guess I’m looking at a baseball situation as I would look at an uneasy feeling in life — that is, in normal life, if I’m faced with an uneasy feeling as I did with Moscoso’s imminent implosion, I would definitely go with my gut feeling to take evasive action to avoid a guess that something not-too-good is about to happen based on bad actions that just occurred. Of course, I wouldn’t have to consider using up a limited resource in something analogous as a “bullpen” in my life. Since wins are so precious for our team, I would think it’s critical to take the chances and preserve a lead even though the decision will greatly strain the bullpen. I guess I want our team to maintain a lead and preserve a win even at a high cost because I’m so weary of our team losing.
In a WS game, I think you're absolutely right
Go with the uneasy feeling. Then again, in a WS game Moscoso wouldn’t be on the mound….
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Oh, come now. They'll have use for him in the WS when they go up 12-1 in the fifth.
Gotta save those bullpen arms for the next game!
by LoneStranger on Jul 20, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Ooops -- sorry for typo
I should have proofread a bit more carefully before hitting the “post” button.
My third line should read, “. . . with my gut feeling to take evasive action to avoid something not-too-good is about to happen . . . .”
Every pitcher’s dream is to pitch against these A’s. How come we’ve gone from being contenders to being content on the last place in AL West. Let’s just trade away Harden and MCarthy and turn the Oakland’s A’s into Oakland AAA’s.
Because two injury-prone pitchers is totally what's keeping the A's from being considered a minor league team, right?
lol.
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Actually if they traded...
Gio, Cahill, Bailey and Willingham, they would be the AAA’s.
Creative, I've never heard the AAA's before.
/sarcasm
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by winchester5 on Jul 20, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Didn't Expect This From Moscoso
He’s coming off some dominant starts. He just lost it today, and made a mistake to Cabrera. That play at the plate with V-Mart was crazy; Suzuki was sprawled over the plate and couldn’t get him. Hope Sizemore will come back soon.
Well, that was hard to watch...
and swear at intermittently. I need a swear word thesaurus.
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by Tess D'Emeryville on Jul 20, 2011 6:56 AM PDT reply actions
Ah, you mean the Tourretthaurus?
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Oh maybe I should learn a second language
That could open up huge new vistas.
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by Tess D'Emeryville on Jul 20, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
A more positive note
This was the first time Moscoso was blown out, and his patterns aren’t clear. Melvin now says, according to the Chron, that he pulled Moscoso one batter too late. Although a blowout was eventually expected, sometimes pitchers do bear down, and Melvin wouldn’t know what Moscoso would do in that situation.
Also, this brings up a huge problem in the A’s bullpen, which is that there is no long reliever, just too many short relievers. Unless you’ve got five guys who will always go deep into games, you’ve got to have people who can go three innings. Hopefully, if/when Balfour and Wuertz go, Outman can be that guy.
P.S. MLB Rumors says that the Phillies turned down Beltran for Dominic Brown.
It's only a huge problem when you get blown out early
I thought Melvin’s bullpen use yesterday was excellent considering the situation. He burned up Breslow, FDLS, and Fuentes, who are clearly the lowest on the bullpen depth chart.
Plus, Outman will (hopefully) be good enough to join the rotation next year. I don’t know why you keep wanting to have guys who pitch garbage time.
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by cuppingmaster on Jul 20, 2011 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Here's why...
Braden, Anderson and Ross are on the DL. Brandon McCarthy struggles third time through the line-up, and Harden is always a question mark because of his health. Plus, there are extra inning games, which, by the way, the A’s tend to lose - not to mention that you’ve got an extra starter on your 25-man roster so you don’t have to play games if someone goes down. And if you have a guy who can play long man, you can open up your roster to another position player.
Everyone struggles the third time through the lineup
Plus, you can only use the long man every 2nd day at most, so you can’t decrease the number of relievers. We’ve been crazy unlucky in EI games.
I just don’t see a good case for it.
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by cuppingmaster on Jul 20, 2011 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Some struggle more than others
McCarthy’s stats are pretty clear that he’s worse.
Beyond that, I’ve seen several games this year in which the A’s could have used someone to go three to four innings, and certainly two if necessary. Arguing that someone can’t go a second day in a row becomes pointless because there would be relievers who remain fresh. Otherwise, everyone is tired.
It's really not, though.
Which stats are you using? Because I’m guessing that it’s a tiny meaningless sample.
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It's stupid to go without a long reliever
It puts way too much pressure on the manager to leave SPs in too long and it forces him to use 3-4 relievers every time he needs to get 3-4 IP out of his bullpen.
A long reliever doesn’t have to just sit around waiting for mop-up duty. He can also pitch 2-3 innings in games you lead or trail by about 3 runs, even getting an occasional 3 inning save in a game that’s 6-3 or something, or help a bullpen when it’s tired by coming into a game you only trail by 1-2.
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This
The point of a long reliever isn’t just to use him only when you’re getting blown out early.
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how many times have the a's been up 3 or more when we pull starter in the 5th or 6th and need a long man to go 2 innings? i'm asking seriously.
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doesn't say they actually asked or were turned down
Phillies beat writer Matt Gelb simply says he doesn’t think the Phillies would deal Brown for a rental, since they wouldn’t deal him in a more long-term trade.
I say...
Willingham and Bailey for Brown and Mayberry. There were reportedly 7 major leagues scouts in Detroit last night scouting A’s players. Our friend Conor Jackson grounds into a couple double pays…not getting anything for him in a trade!
Make that plays not pays...
he shouldn’t be getting paid!
Hope Sizemore is feeling better
that looked BAD. He’s lucky it didn’t break something!
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by Tigers&WingsFan on Jul 20, 2011 10:01 AM PDT reply actions
The x-rays were negative!
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yup the Tigers broadcast said that last night
which made me breathe a little easier!
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by Tigers&WingsFan on Jul 20, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Nice sig
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by Tess D'Emeryville on Jul 20, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Reminds me of Braden in 2007
Braden didn’t have the best of stuff, also imploded a lot in 2007. But he turned out OK. Sometime a pitcher needs to be tested by fire, maybe failing for a while until he figures it out.
OTOH, Braden was 23 in 2007, Moscoso is 27 now, some of Braden’s implosion could be due to his mental immaturity, not sure Moscoso has that excuse.
by asfansince1989 on Jul 20, 2011 10:48 AM PDT reply actions
Rotoworld is reporting
a possible Pittsburg trade for Willingham and Breslow. The name associated with this from the Pirates is Garrett Jones. Anyone seen this guy play? His stats don’t jump out as anything to get excited over.
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It's questionable. It's basically some dude's twitter account saying "Garret Jones likely out the door."
Whether that means headed back to Oakland or just gone because Willingham is better, who knows
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The twitter guy is not suggesting Jones is traded at all.
He’s saying that if they get Willingham, they’ll dump Jones.
The Rotoworld blurb confuses it by putting “Jones” and “in a swap with Oakland” in the same sentence, but they still don’t mean to suggest Jones as part of the trade, they’re just using clumsy wording.
We are watching a rumor morph right before our eyes.
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That is very possible
95.7 is making the same assumption.
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I didn't even see the rotoworld bit. I saw the twitter part and interpreted it wrong
as did rotoworld, apparently.
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Looks like MLBTR did, too.
Someone should contact Rob Biertempfel and ask him what he meant.
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Thank God.
We need to better than Garrett Jones.
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Jeez
The CSN Athletics Twitter just noted the A’s have lost 24 of their past 29 road games.
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TRADE RUMORS UPDATE
According to Rob Biertempfel of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, the Pirates are mulling a potential trade with the Athletics for outfielder Josh Willingham and left-hander Craig Breslow.
We’ve heard the Pirates linked to Willingham over the past couple of days, but it appears that the two clubs have begun to discuss names. According to Biertempfel, Garrett Jones would likely be “out the door” in a potential swap with Oakland.
Source: Rob Biertempfel on Twitter
Hmm, Willingham would be the 1 “trade candidate” that I’d be sad to lose," (not counting Bailey; not really sure if he is a “trade candidate.” There is no doubting that Willingham has the most value of any of our position players. We have always liked the potential of Garrett Jones here at AN, so that would be nice. But what else would the Pirates offer?
The negative is that the Pirates farm is very weak when it comes to “hitting prospects.”
I think we would ask for someone like OF Prospect Starling Marte, his breakdown via John Sickels, www.minorleagueball.com
Starling Marte, OF, Grade C+: Borderline B-. Can hit for average, dangerous on the bases, but lack of strike zone judgment and home run power are issues.
Would that be enough for Breslow and Willingham? Marte and Jones?
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 20, 2011 11:01 AM PDT reply actions
Who has always liked the potential of Garrett Jones at AN, and why would they?
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 20, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
That's like the last person I'd want from them
I’d rather trade them Suzuki for Chris Synder and promote Recker (and release Powell)
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by cuppingmaster on Jul 20, 2011 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Why anybody would want Jones is beyond me
30 yo 1B/COF who’s going to hit league average? The only thing he’s got going for him is that he’s cheap.
He played out of his mind for half a season in 2009. Nothing in his track record suggests he will do that again.
He’s someone you pick up on waivers. Not someone you’d trade for.
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haha really!? I remember countless people talking about his potential
and that would want to give me a shot, I guess I can’t think of anyone specifically that came out with such comments, but they exist in the World of AN. I’m not a huge fan of Garret Jones, but if he is an “add-on” in a trade that nets us a “B” prospect I’m all for it.
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 20, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I see no way that anyone would trade a B prospect for Garrett Jones. A B prospect is
someone like Grant Green or Chris Carter
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 20, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
He means if Jones was a throw in with a B(ish) prospect coming to us.
For example: Starling Marte + Garret Jones for Willingham.
That I could see – a bit thin for the A’s perhaps.
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Yes Mattel that is what I meant
I don’t like the Pirates as trade partners at all though….No real hitting prospects
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 20, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
The only one is Tony Sanchez (C)
If he were attainable, it’d be worth giving up the players we’re hearing about (Willingham, Breslow, etc.). But I doubt that’s the case.
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I'd be happy with Marte.
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DURRRR THEY’RE TOO OLD, BABIP IS TOO HIGH, TOO MANY Ks, DURRRRRR
On the other hand - you can really never have too many pitching prospects
It doesn’t help the A’s directly, but they can be useful trade pieces for later deals.
Beane seems to be good at thinking a few moves ahead.
The Purcey deal is a good example.
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AN search (for both "garret jones" or "garrett jones")
yields a very short list. I see only two people expressing any interest at all. Duballers23 suggested Jones because he would be attainable without having to give up much. PL78 showed interest a few times, including asking for a Willingham-Jones trade, but he is something of a maverick of AN, not at all representative of the mainstream here. All the other mentions of Jones are from the last couple days.
Definitely not “countless people”. Perhaps you are remembering a different forum.
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What about 2 years back?
Wasn’t he a topic of discussion here on AN for a while of a possible target at 1B?
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 20, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
If he was, no one mentioned him by name.
AN search is a great function.
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 20, 2011 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe try in the search engine
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jul 20, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
RE: the missed Suzuki tag
what a weird play. Some are saying this is a result of Suzuki being told not to block the plate by Beane. think it had anything to do with it? Kurt said
“I didn’t realize how far he was from home plate,” Suzuki said. “He stopped, did a little dance and avoided me”It all happened so fast I know there isn’t time to think but after Kurt dove and then found martinez not there shouldn’t Kurt just let Martinez come to him instead of lunging forward to try tagging him? I mean the runner has to get to the plate, why not just keep your glove right over home plate? It sad because right after Kurt looked so pleased that he got him, only to find out he didn’t. bummer.
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sizemore's comments
“Different organization. Different mind-set. Different brand of ball. It’s just different in Oakland than it is in Detroit. … It’s not as intense in Oakland.”
does this bug anyone else? Maybe I’m just misinterpreting it, but it sounds to me that guys aren’t trying as hard in Oakland as they do in other organizations. Is this part of the culture in Oakland or is he just referring to the sparse crowds? I hope this is not the case and would like all our players to be just as intense as any other team in the league. However that would explain why many players that just arrive produce immediately and then catch the A’s can’t-hit-itis for their duration of their stay…
Well, Sizemore is doing better here than there.
Maybe not-as-intense is what he needs.
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Maybe there’s a reason why the Oaksterdam Athletics aren’t the most intense bunch of individuals…
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 20, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
shit... there's four... grr...
I should have gotten medicated before I started posting.
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 20, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm just too damn intense!
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 20, 2011 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
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