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Manager Bob Geren Fired by Oakland A's or You Don't F With a Team's Most Valuable Asset

There are a lot of stories running around about Geren's firing, one of the most interesting being the stream over at Baseball Nation.

I personally believe that Geren isn't gone for any other reason other than the fact that the A's young pitching was dropping at a ridiculous rate. Dallas Braden, Brett Anderson, Tyson Ross and Brandon McCarthy all dropping off to injury issues. Now some would say Ross was destined for the DL with his funky pitching motion and McCarthy has injury issues which everyone knew about. But whenever I've chatted with Billy about this team in the past, he always went on about how the only way for a small market to compete in today's baseball is great young pitching. And Beane had brought together some of the most impressive young arms in the game. 

I firmly believed that had the A's pitching staff remained healthy, this slide would not have happened. Yes the offense is still putrid but a putrid offense can still squeak out wins with great pitching. Geren's cardinal sin, IMO, was that he wasn't able to keep the kids healthy. Now I'm not sure if that's because he overworked them (remember the bullpen was in shambles at the beginning of the year so it was easy to lean on the young arms a little much) and it's probably up to much smarter people than myself to figure that out, but I think the thing that a manager controls more than anything else is the pitching. Sure lineups too but lineups seemingly have a much smaller impact in the grand scheme of things. Sure they're fun for us to play around with, but they don't impact a game the way that pitching decisions and matchups do.

And I believe this was the fundamental issue with Geren.

I was on a conference call today and someone asked me what I thought about the move. My reply was that I think the impact of a manager is waaaaaay overrated by most fans but the one area where a manager can be judged is how effectively he handles a pitching staff. And I don't care if you're my best man at my wedding but if you mishandle my best asset, which is young, great pitching and wind up contributing to that staff winding up on the DL (whether that's real or perceived), you're going to wind up looking for work. 

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The manager runs spring training

It’s his job to make sure the team is ready to play MLB ball come opening day. Many people thought that the team played very poorly to open the season, especially on defense, that they looked unprepared. That of course will impact the pitchers.

by OaklandSi on Jun 9, 2011 12:47 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

it is not a thought, the A’s did play horribly to open the season.

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jun 9, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was being understated in my comments

I was at all the early home games. Very, very sloppy. They literally threw away a few of them.

by OaklandSi on Jun 9, 2011 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

This

Also, players were dogging it, not running out grounders. Geren was more intent, I think, on giving every member of the kindergarten class playing time that he didn’t realize this isn’t kindergarten.

The only question is how much the dissent and dissatisfaction in the clubhouse had to do with individual players’ play. If nothing, then Geren was worth maybe only a couple of losses. If it impacted the individual play, then it becomes extremely unclear what role Geren had in terms of the team’s won-lost record. We do know that from spring training, the corporate culture can play a role particularly if you’re not dealing with a bunch of superstars.

I don’t think Geren lost his job because all those pitchers went down. I don’t think Beane is deaf to the criticism .. from the fans, the players, and the media …and after nine successive losses, something had to be done, whether window dressing or not.

I’ve seen nothing to indicate Bob Geren was a good manager, and a lot to indicate he wasn’t a good manager. He should never have lasted this long, and should have been kicked upstairs after his first year.

by richwol1 on Jun 9, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

HooRay!

Best news I’ve had all day. Though I try never to celebrate someone’s misery, I think this was the only hope for this team. I think richwol1 has a great hypothesis and, if Willingham, Matsui, Fuentes, DeJesus all of a sudden spring to life, we’ll know that this theory holds weight.

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by WhizDad on Jun 9, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Overrated: My only issue is that a Manager can have an affect on the clubhouse mood, and we see it has not been a great mood. If you are mad about your job, you will tend to not do as well

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by Widowwolf on Jun 9, 2011 12:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Bye Bob

I wonder if there is an opening on Eric Byrnes’ softball team

by Oaktown Shutout on Jun 9, 2011 12:51 PM PDT reply actions  

The Right Move

This season may be lost, but to keep Geren around any longer made no sense. He had lost the team and regardless of what the reason(s) that is not good. I hope better days are ahead.

by RudiFan on Jun 9, 2011 12:53 PM PDT reply actions  

I agree most fans overrate a manager's impact, often irrationally.

I would also agree that many fans underrate a manager’s impact, too.

It would be nice to see them meet in the middle. Then again, I like happy endings.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Jun 9, 2011 12:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Agreed. To say we'd still be in contention with another manager is a little crazy. That would be like 9 games

difference and counting? No way. I’d be surprised if the net loss was more than 3 games for the whole season, once you factor in the ones he “won” and those that would still have been lost by a “replacement-level manager”. I cared a lot more about those 3 games when we were trying to take a lead on Texas, but it’s nice to have an end to this. Maybe the players’ will be glad to move on, and so will AN as a whole, I think.

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by Area 510 on Jun 9, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you buy the pitcher argument

Then the demolition of the A’s pitching staff so far could end up causing more than 9 added losses going forward.

Without the solid pitching we started with, there is no possible contention. If Anderson / Braden / etc were healthy now, and the relievers were here from the day one, we would be in contention, as in > 5% chance of making playoffs.

by MobiusKlein on Jun 9, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think if I went back and counted

Lack of fundamentals (base running, etc.), lack of execution (fielding errors, etc.), poor pitching decisions (Fuentes, etc.) I could come up with at least 6 losses (meaning a 12 game swing).

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by WhizDad on Jun 9, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

you comment is just wrong. lets think about what you are saying...

we are CURRENTLY 8 games back. bigger deficits have been made up in the nrearly four months of baseball to play. to say the season is a loss is going a bit to far… especially since we still have so many games left with the AL west.

that said… i wouldn’t put money on it but still there is.

lets say boo-ger cost us 3 games… we would then be only 5back… certainly 5 games in 4 months would be doable even with the lousiness level of play the team has played to.

wasn’t the team like 7or 8 back in june or early july last year… and they actually were in it until that 4 game series the last week with TX

by heartstopper on Jun 9, 2011 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

If six games move from the loss column to the win column

Then the team would be 33-30 and 2 games back of the Rangers.

by richwol1 on Jun 9, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

as do you

as do we allllll

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by ChickenStanley on Jun 9, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

as does Dallas

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by stormtown on Jun 9, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

love him

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by ChickenStanley on Jun 9, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Question for you

Have you ever worked for a boss you either hated or had lost respect for? How was your performance? How did you feel every morning as you headed to the office?

Just saying.

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by WhizDad on Jun 9, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

a good mgr/supervisor

typically can have a big effect on employee performance… you not withstanding

by heartstopper on Jun 9, 2011 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't know how to quantify the effect the way you guys have

But I think all of Geren’s mistakes/ineptitude have collectively done more damage than +/- 3 losses in this season alone.

Over the last four seasons, I shudder to think about it.

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by EddieVegas_NRAF on Jun 9, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have to admit I will miss

Geren jotting down life passage moments in his diary while standing in the dugout. Kerouac has nothing on him.

by RudiFan on Jun 9, 2011 1:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Manager over rated by fans?

Just ask the Angels or the Rangers if their managers r overated….theres passion and strategy involed, not some low budget pathetic Steinbrenner type…a laBilly Beane.

Manage by numbers and do what ur told…Yippe love the creativity of this…Billy shoud fire himself!!!

by kelvin moore on Jun 9, 2011 1:03 PM PDT reply actions  

omg

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by stm72 on Jun 9, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

omg

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by stm72 on Jun 9, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Meh.

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by mikev on Jun 9, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

OH.

EM.
GEE.

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by mikev on Jun 9, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

que?

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by ChickenStanley on Jun 9, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Our long national nightmare is over! ;-)

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by GreenNGoldSooner on Jun 9, 2011 1:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Interesting point re: starting staff

The only one that comes to mind as far as possible overwork is McCarthy – seems like he was thrown out there for another inning here and there when his pitch count was getting borderline high, which is probably not great for a guy with his injury history. Not sure if Geren had anything to do, injury-wise, with the way he handled the rest of them. Any thoughts out there on this?

by coffee roaster on Jun 9, 2011 1:06 PM PDT reply actions  

McCarthy did go deep in a few games he probably didn't need to

I remember thinking “why is he going out there for another?” on at least two occasions.

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by WhizDad on Jun 9, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

McCarthy's pitch counts were generally lower than the other starters

89, 107, 114, 99, 106, 101, 107, 98, 91. Average 101. I’m not looking up the numbers for Gio, Cahill, Anderson, buy my guess is that they would be higher on average. Arguably, he should have been lifted early against the Angels on 4/26, but I think Geren was going with the lefty-lefty match-up against Abreu (which worked) before getting Ziegler in there.

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by PDXAthleticsfan on Jun 9, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was at that game SCREAMING "Why is he still out there?"

Because of course I picked him up for my fantasy team the day before and Geren had to make sure his WHIP and ERA were as high as possible for as many innings as possible.

WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?!

by true torture on Jun 9, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Random curiosity...

I wonder how long ago the decision to fire Geren was made? I mean, I’m sure he didn’t call Melvin this morning offering the job.

I'm beginning to believe that Bud Selig wants to die of old age before he has to make a decision regarding Oakland vs San Jose.

by UncleLeo on Jun 9, 2011 1:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Respectfully disagree on the pitching staff handling

McCarthy has an injury history, there’s no evidence the A’s have overworked Anderson, and Ross’ injury seems fluky. Plus, even if you say Anderson was overworked, Cahill and Gio are fine (knock on wood). If anything, I’ve thought Geren’s problem is not leaving the starters in long enough.

I agree with Geren being fired, but it was a change for change’s sake. There’s nothing necessarily wrong with that at this point.

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by cuppingmaster on Jun 9, 2011 1:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Anderson should've been shut down quite some time ago.

When you’re throwing 2 or 3 MPH slower than last year and throwing about 70% (seemingly) breaking balls… something ain’t right.

Tommy John surgery was only a matter of time since last year. If he doesn’t get it this time, it’s still just a matter or time.

by Brett Narloch on Jun 9, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

But what are you going to do, shut him down until...what? I agree it was just a matter of time unless they told him to

abandon the breaking ball altogether. And yes, please let it be resolved now, even if surgery is the answer. That’s my point I guess, if we just keep trying, shutting down, trying, shutting down, it could go on indefinitely. I’d like to have him ready by the time Ynoa makes the Bigs.

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by Area 510 on Jun 9, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

That seems crazy
I personally believe that Geren isn’t gone for any other reason other than the fact that the A’s young pitching was dropping at a ridiculous rate. Dallas Braden, Brett Anderson, Tyson Ross and Brandon McCarthy all dropping off to injury issues.

None of those pitchers have been overworked. Braden and McCarthy have both had a ton of injuries pre-Geren, including the same injuries they’re currently suffering from.

And, despite what Rob Bowen claims, Geren didn’t ruin a dozen young careers back when Bowen was caddying for Suzuki. The only guy who was potentially overworked was Blanton, and his career has not been ruined.

by Danny on Jun 9, 2011 1:16 PM PDT reply actions   3 recs

Completely agree.

I have seen no evidence whatsoever that Geren “ruined” anyone. That doesn’t mean he was a good manager, but I’ll need more than Rob Bowen pulling a number out of thin air with nothing to back it up.

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by EastCoastA on Jun 9, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

+46

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by stm72 on Jun 9, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would submit . . .

that Geren’s mis-management of the bullpen last year led to losing Bailey to a dead arm, then Breslow, then Ziegler. None of them were ruined, per se, but still . . . .

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by EddieVegas_NRAF on Jun 9, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

We had Bowen?

Oh yeah.

I'm beginning to believe that Bud Selig wants to die of old age before he has to make a decision regarding Oakland vs San Jose.

by UncleLeo on Jun 9, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

throughout baseball history

they usually are

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by ChickenStanley on Jun 9, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ours more than most though. It's been Kendall or Zooks for a while.

Cos they’re iron men……apparently.

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by OldhamA on Jun 9, 2011 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Except Milhouse.

He was memorable

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Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.

by iglew on Jun 9, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

That would be Melhuse :-)

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by WhizDad on Jun 9, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Milhouse was our pet name for Melhuse.

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by Englishmajor on Jun 9, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

yup

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by ChickenStanley on Jun 9, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, he was not a crook a least

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by WhizDad on Jun 9, 2011 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

That would be Milhous :-)

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by iglew on Jun 9, 2011 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

When the A's get a new stadium, there will be a bronze statue of our backup deity out front.

Mark my words. MARK MY WORDS.

I miss Melhuse. :(

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by Kyli on Jun 9, 2011 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

gurl, you so crazzzzeeee

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by stm72 on Jun 9, 2011 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

ron hassey, gene tanace.dave duncan

though gino was moved to 1b, ramon hernandez,

by heartstopper on Jun 9, 2011 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Two homers one night in Texas

from both sides of the plate, I think. That’s my entire memory of the guy.

by RLangford on Jun 9, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I remember going a game with a Giant's fan friend of mine where Melhuse hit a go ahead home run.

I got my friend to chant “Melhuse!” for a while.

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by UrgentMirth on Jun 9, 2011 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think RLangford was talking about Bowen.

My memory of Melhuse, sadly, includes him pinch-hitting for Dye against Derek Lowe on October 6, 2003.

Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.

by iglew on Jun 9, 2011 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah, so he was.

That’s what I get for being too lazy to click the “up” button

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by UrgentMirth on Jun 9, 2011 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wuertz and Bailey were both overworked.

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by jeepers on Jun 9, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed, that stood out to me in the post as well

And in what Bowen wrote.

Other than some bullpen arms, perhaps, that seems like an entirely unfair charge.

by RLangford on Jun 9, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd like to hear him expand on his comments.

I'm beginning to believe that Bud Selig wants to die of old age before he has to make a decision regarding Oakland vs San Jose.

by UncleLeo on Jun 9, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

HIRE GEREN NOW!
Crisp CF, Pennington SS, Jackson 1B, Willingham LF, Suzuki C, Matsui DH, Rosales 3B, DeJesus RF, Weeks 2B, Cahill P

http://twitter.com/#!/Athletics/status/78918404064542720

…wow.

by danmerqury on Jun 9, 2011 1:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Not a bad idea, really

Pennington is starting to hit (somewhat) and I don’t mind DeJesus at 8. At least the bottom of the order won’t be a total wash.

by coffee roaster on Jun 9, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Geren's thinking. "Why didn't I think of that?"

I'm beginning to believe that Bud Selig wants to die of old age before he has to make a decision regarding Oakland vs San Jose.

by UncleLeo on Jun 9, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep, he's stacking righties.

And committing to giving Matsui an everyday shot, I suspect.

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Jun 9, 2011 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Absolutley, given Barton has a career-long reverse split.

DeJesus is the guy who should get the night off.

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by justANotherAsFan on Jun 9, 2011 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

didn't I read something today or yesterday

about Geren thinking about switching Cliff and Dale? Or maybe it was a reporter’s speculation… [shrugs]

by whiteshoes40 on Jun 9, 2011 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

whose dale?

but i read it too and was wondering the same thing: specualtion or did boo-ger say it

by heartstopper on Jun 9, 2011 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

dale=daric barton

Charlie steiner couldn’t be bothered to know the A’s players names during the Japan trip in 2008

Put a bird on it

by Future Ed on Jun 9, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Charlie steiner some espn idiot couldn’t be bothered to know the A’s players names during the Japan trip in 2008

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by ChickenStanley on Jun 9, 2011 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

According to ANcillary Terms

It was Gary Thome

By the way, that thing needs an update..

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by PDXAthleticsfan on Jun 9, 2011 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was indeed Gary Thorne,

whom I forgive for this blunder due to his otherwise overall awesomeness.

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Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.

by iglew on Jun 9, 2011 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Change for change's sake, Dan.

That’s what this is all about.

It doesn’t have to be better. Just has to be something that makes their animal brains say the past is past and it’s a fresh slate.

Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.

by iglew on Jun 9, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

right

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by stm72 on Jun 9, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think that's being dealt with, too.

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by iglew on Jun 9, 2011 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well that's certainly... different.

I’m guessing that Melvin wants to make a splash in his first game.

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by UrgentMirth on Jun 9, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Shuffling deck chairs on the titanic.

Well, eight deck chairs and Jemile Weeks!
Anyway, it’ll be fun to listen to tonight. Which is rad.

by ilikeike on Jun 9, 2011 1:28 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Titanic?

more like “my weekend row boat”

Put a bird on it

by Future Ed on Jun 9, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you have deck chairs on your row boat,

that might explain why it sunk.

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Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.

by iglew on Jun 9, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ya fuck that.

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by travdog6 on Jun 9, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay, this is an obvious one here

But Pennington batting second screams out that we’re going to bunt and hit and run and “make things happen.” Which, though it would be a pretty awful strategy in a table baseball game, might be pretty useful in getting the A’s players to feel like, “Hey, we’re playing some baseball now, taking the game to them.”

Of course, my theory implies that someone will be on in front of Pennington, and given who’s pitching, I’ll say that we’ll have to wait a bit to see it borne out.

by RLangford on Jun 9, 2011 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

That was my reaction, too.

Penny’s hitting second because he’s fast.

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by jeepers on Jun 9, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Jun 9, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bookworthy

I'm beginning to believe that Bud Selig wants to die of old age before he has to make a decision regarding Oakland vs San Jose.

by UncleLeo on Jun 9, 2011 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who cares

This is another lateral and pointless move. Nothing will change until Fisher, Wolff and Beane take a hike. They had their little change to build a new home, and it hasn’t happened. Now they need to leave town.

Beane’s true colors have been shown. The irony of “Moneyball” showing in theaters across the country this Fall is truly rich.

Please, please sell the team.

by J Canseco on Jun 9, 2011 1:22 PM PDT reply actions  

First Lineup

Crisp CF, Pennington SS, Jackson 1B, Willingham LF, Suzuki C, Matsui DH, Rosales 3B, DeJesus RF, Weeks 2B, Cahill P

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by Widowwolf on Jun 9, 2011 1:23 PM PDT reply actions  

this is definitely

different than what Bobo would have done.

by sf drift king on Jun 9, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey Bob,

what are you going to do differently that will kick start this offense?

by sf drift king on Jun 9, 2011 1:40 PM PDT reply actions  

But let's be honest

we didn’t think this before the season. We all, well most of us A’s fans thought this was a good enough team to challenge for the div.

by sf drift king on Jun 9, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

[POOP]

...being a role model I probably wouldn't recommend eating dirt. But at the same time, I'm not trying to be a role model. I'm just trying to eat some dirt.

by attijah on Jun 9, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

You can't stop me now that's Geren's not holding me back.

...being a role model I probably wouldn't recommend eating dirt. But at the same time, I'm not trying to be a role model. I'm just trying to eat some dirt.

by attijah on Jun 9, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

thief!

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by ChickenStanley on Jun 9, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

WOOOOOOOHOOOOOO

that’s amazing. great, great news.

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by thewhizkid on Jun 9, 2011 1:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Here we go

When bob heard he was fired, he sniffed his fingers, looked on with consternation, then said “Play me out Adrian!”

River Cat Adrian Cardenas plays the piano

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by ChickenStanley on Jun 9, 2011 1:59 PM PDT reply actions  

We've discussed this before.

Iglew loves classically trained pianists.

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Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.

by iglew on Jun 9, 2011 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I call my puppy Liberace,

“cause he’s the peein’est!

i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72

by Tutu-late on Jun 9, 2011 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I call Poochini "Kouz"

because he has no plate discipline and he never has any balls on him.

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by Nico on Jun 9, 2011 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's not a nice thing to say around me, nico. :(

Didn’t he hit one out for the ’Cats tonight? :)

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by Tutu-late on Jun 10, 2011 6:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

...I think I'm in love.

"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on Jun 9, 2011 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can share.

My kindergarten report card said so!

"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on Jun 9, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

this this this

hey little girl
…want a cookie?

by ChickenStanley on Jun 9, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

dude the Rob Arnie Sports people are the worst.

I turned it off as well. I was hoping for an all day celebration and got this drivel of complaining and bullshit. I wish Townsend still had the 1-4 slot.

by Billy Frijoles on Jun 9, 2011 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

A better move would be to replace them.

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by mikev on Jun 9, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

true

the artist formerly known as inbillywetrust

by stm72 on Jun 9, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I understand their schtick, I just don't think they're very good at it.

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by mikev on Jun 9, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

they would be better as morning talk on a non sports station

here, they just come off as crass and not at all funny

hey little girl
…want a cookie?

by ChickenStanley on Jun 9, 2011 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

well,

both do make your ears bleed

hey little girl
…want a cookie?

by ChickenStanley on Jun 9, 2011 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just as soon listen to

Urban and Lurie and ralph talk about the giants.

Put a bird on it

by Future Ed on Jun 9, 2011 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

<3

"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on Jun 9, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

they talk about sports?

I though it was a vehicle to assert their machoness and insult women

Put a bird on it

by Future Ed on Jun 9, 2011 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's their schtick. They're not even really good at it.

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by mikev on Jun 9, 2011 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

They are.

That’s their day job.

I'm beginning to believe that Bud Selig wants to die of old age before he has to make a decision regarding Oakland vs San Jose.

by UncleLeo on Jun 9, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

As a general rule I detest all morning radio shows.

Their’s was the only morning show I could tolerate. And I mean tolerate in every sense of the word.

I'm beginning to believe that Bud Selig wants to die of old age before he has to make a decision regarding Oakland vs San Jose.

by UncleLeo on Jun 9, 2011 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fuck yeah THIS.

I hate them as a much as I hate Bob Geren. Actually, I hate them more. THAT IS A LOT OF HATE, LET ME TELL YOU.

"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on Jun 9, 2011 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

hopefully...

New Bob won’t be so obsessed with L/R matchups and let these guys play everyday.

and

New Bob won’t be so obsessed with L/R matchups and let out relievers pitch more than an inning. No wonder they can’t pitch more than an inning successfully, they never pitch more than an inning.

I miss Eric Plunk

by chuckcheeze on Jun 9, 2011 2:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Bullpen management is where I want to see improvements.

I don’t know about the multiple inning thing, but I want our best relievers used in the most useful situation, preferably in stack ranked order.

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Jun 9, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm very, very happy about this.

Obviously it won’t solve all of the A’s problems (or even many of them). But it’s an obvious step in the right direction. Replacing a manager who seems to have lost his players and who has had no success at the big league level with a manager who has had some success at the big league level is a good thing.

(To be honest, my biggest, immediate hope is that the Geren firing will provide an excuse for we ANers to stop sniping at each other quite so much. In the last two weeks, things have gotten nastier around these parts than I’ve ever seen them before!)

There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.

by GreenNGoldSooner on Jun 9, 2011 2:21 PM PDT reply actions  

meet the new bob same as the old bob

Beane's World!! Excellent!!! Rock On, Beane! Rock On, Geren!

by Satchmo22 on Jun 9, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jose Canseco (threader) has it right

Hey fellas, it is difficult to watch this version of our team. I don’t even watch them anymore with all the finger-pointing going on here. The manager is practically the least of the team’s problems. They are a faint shadow of themselves and a lot of the bloggers (i.e. baseballgirl) are not holding back. I am still a fan and I love this team and this franchise, but something has to give in a significant way. I still say firing the manager is like the firing the waiter if the food is bad. Tyler made a point about the pitching staff and its injuries. Most of today’s pitchers defy proper mechanics. By the time the manager gets these kids, they are all funked up. None of the A’s pitchers throw the ball mechanically right. It hurts to watch them. I saw one premier rookie pitcher pitch last year and I wasn’t surprised when he went down to injury. If I was managing or a coach I’d break ‘em like a pretzel and have them throw properly. Managing is like teaching. Ya’ gotta go for it and put your fingerprint on everything, including the sacred ill-mechanics of some prized prospect. I interviewed a former big leaguer turned coach some 20 years ago one-on-one for more than one hour and he told me about the difficulties of a $50,000 coach telling a millionaire player what to do. I don’t know what the deal with Geren is, but I would recommend Tom Seaver, Nolan Ryan teach them how to throw first, then worry about who the manager is or is not. And that doesn’t even cover the hitting or dare I say, the ballpark too.

by Bubby's Bashers on Jun 9, 2011 2:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Oooh.
@susanslusser
Conor Jackson played for Melvin in Arizona, says he’s “a big fan,” calls him “a players’ manager.” #Athletics

by danmerqury on Jun 9, 2011 2:50 PM PDT reply actions  

OMG NO WONDER HE'S HITTING 3RD CAN WE FUCKING QUIT WITH THE CRONYIZM OMG

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by mikev on Jun 9, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly.

I don’t care what lineups Melvin puts out there. I know some folks think that since we can’t quantify leadership and motivation—that we don’t know its impact—that we shouldn’t worry about it when hiring a manager. I believe in it, and am comfortable with “a lot” or “enough” as its measure (scientific, I know) to be happy we have someone the players like and respect.

Well, hopefully we do.

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Jun 9, 2011 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

If we can't quantify it,

how do we know that Melvin is better than Geren?

Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.

by iglew on Jun 9, 2011 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

You don't

Even if the team suddenly wins 15 in a row, you can argue it’s the manager or you can argue that it was bound to happen anyway.

by richwol1 on Jun 9, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Matt Holliday would have smiled.

I'm beginning to believe that Bud Selig wants to die of old age before he has to make a decision regarding Oakland vs San Jose.

by UncleLeo on Jun 9, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can

12.

That’s the difference between Melvin and Geren.

by MobiusKlein on Jun 9, 2011 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

How many more hot dogs can Bob Geren eat in a minute than Bob Melvin?

I’ll take Sucky A’s Managers for $200, Alex.

Pro-rated at 500 at-bats a year that means that for two years out of the fourteen I played, I never even touched the ball. ~Norm Cash, on his 1,081 career strikeouts

by UncleLeo on Jun 9, 2011 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jackson did play his best ball under Melvin.

When you've played this game for 10 years and gone to bat 7,000 times and gotten 2,000 hits do you know what that really means? It means you've gone 0-5,000. -Reginald Martinez "Reggie" Jackson

by Geronimo Berroa on Jun 9, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Serious question

What does players’ manager mean?

"Once you go Bed....everything else is dead." - Bed
"So you're saying we should skin the Rangers and wear them as uniforms? I’m down." - Kyli

by cuppingmaster on Jun 9, 2011 3:36 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

If Saint ConorJackson loves him, then I love him.

Yay Manager Bob 2.0!

"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on Jun 9, 2011 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

he may have NOT been replaced so early this year

with a healthy SP staff but…. he still would have been replaced. BoGer (maybe we should just say booger) has the personality of a potato and seemed ineffective at rallying the troops partially or wholly due to his personality. his in game managing skills certainly didn’t help in getting the players behind him. this all contributed to booger being “relieved of his duties.”

even his move to bat weeks in his first game at the mlb level was a just another poor decision. this is typical booger… no clue. of course weeks did NOT respond with the added pressure and went 0-4 with not even moving his bat in his first AB, a K on 5 pitches.

by heartstopper on Jun 9, 2011 2:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Throwing Weeks in the lineup his first day was actually a smart move. One of the few good things that Geren and Beane have done the past few years has been throwing the new kids into the fire right away. Helps gets the butterflies and jitters out of the way. Weeks didn’t look too good the first day, but he was awesome in game 2.

by pachydermfan on Jun 9, 2011 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Pro-rated at 500 at-bats a year that means that for two years out of the fourteen I played, I never even touched the ball. ~Norm Cash, on his 1,081 career strikeouts

by UncleLeo on Jun 9, 2011 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can we call the new skip Eigdew (as in reverse wedgie?)

That’s what a melvin is, after all.

There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.

by GreenNGoldSooner on Jun 9, 2011 2:57 PM PDT reply actions  

.

hey little girl
…want a cookie?

by ChickenStanley on Jun 9, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am a reverse welgi.

Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.

by iglew on Jun 9, 2011 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

injuries???

I’m sorry, but injuries are not a factor in the A’s slide into last place. If you can’t score a single run against awful pitching, you are not going to win. I don’t care how good your pitchers pitch.

by BrianJ12 on Jun 9, 2011 3:59 PM PDT reply actions  

DOWN WITH MANAGER BOB! LONG LIVE MANAGER BOB!

I think there’s more to it than just the pitching staff — the A’s players haven’t just been terrible, they’ve also been dogging it in the field, they’ve made mental mistakes on the basepaths, and Bob has apparently done absolutely NOTHING to change the situation. A manager can’t make Barton hit, but he CAN make sure that it’s clear that slacking off on the field and making stupid mistakes is unacceptable.

Just taking the mental failure out of the situation will make this a better team.

"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on Jun 9, 2011 4:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Geren's handling of the starters

I can only think of a few obvious blunders, frankly. One of them was Brett Anderson’s recent start, in which he was left in for an extra inning to get pummeled. Given what’s happening with Anderson, that might support Blez’s theory.

I had moire problems with Geren’s handling of the bullpen, and his penchant to ride one or two guys into the ground. He also, as has been noted many times, got too attached to certain guys in certain situations, even when the attachment wasn’t justified or made no sense in the first place.

Most of the injured starters, Anderson included, were obvious injury risks to begin with. Braden had problems that were compounded by the brilliant medical staff. Ross was considered a high injury risk from the moment he was drafted. McCarthy has been on the shelf repeatedly before joining the A’s. Should we blame Geren for Harden’s injury woes too?

I don’t know the whole story about Beane’s decision to fire Geren, but I don’t think his handling of the starters is it.

by bear88 on Jun 9, 2011 4:13 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Now that Geren is gone... what's our next quest?

I'm beginning to believe that Bud Selig wants to die of old age before he has to make a decision regarding Oakland vs San Jose.

by UncleLeo on Jun 9, 2011 4:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Erm.....world peace?

"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury

by OldhamA on Jun 9, 2011 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I need a Coke.

Pro-rated at 500 at-bats a year that means that for two years out of the fourteen I played, I never even touched the ball. ~Norm Cash, on his 1,081 career strikeouts

by UncleLeo on Jun 9, 2011 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dear Geren and A's fans:

The message from the Giants couldn’t be truer now… Keep your heads up and we’ll see the Green and Gold in the playoffs! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1TcD95kmGQ

by GiantETeam on Jun 9, 2011 4:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Hmm.

not much in that video about being gay.
If a player came out, it would be putting truth in the message.

by MobiusKlein on Jun 9, 2011 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Draft the son, fire the Dad... all in the same week.

Pro-rated at 500 at-bats a year that means that for two years out of the fourteen I played, I never even touched the ball. ~Norm Cash, on his 1,081 career strikeouts

by UncleLeo on Jun 9, 2011 4:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Sadly

He would only sign so long as his dad was fired.

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Jun 9, 2011 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hell yeah

Best news I’ve heard all year

I was the first to get Blez autograph. Nebraska native, South Dakota living A's fan

by HuskerFan on Jun 9, 2011 4:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Tough year, huh?

"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury

by OldhamA on Jun 9, 2011 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

It has been

Lost my grandma last June, my mother last September, makes my A’s fandom seem puny. But with Geren, it wasn’t even a diversion I could enjoy.

I was the first to get Blez autograph. Nebraska native, South Dakota living A's fan

by HuskerFan on Jun 9, 2011 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Susan Slusser on KNBR

soon if not now.

You're remarkable in a funny way. Or funny in a remarkable way.

by goldfish on Jun 9, 2011 4:48 PM PDT reply actions  

A lineup without Barton is a breath of fresh air to me.

I blame him for my skyrocketing alchol comsuption.

by Jmo1son on Jun 9, 2011 4:49 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

You consume skyrocketing alcohol?

Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.

by iglew on Jun 9, 2011 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ding Dong the witch is dead

Here’s the only thing I know; The A’s under Geren never had any swagger. They weren’t great teams, but not one guy ever played like he would rip off someone’s arm if it meant he would a big hit with RISP. You know how they say that a dog and its owner start to look alike over time, with Geren the A’s were clearly poodles.

by highheater on Jun 9, 2011 6:00 PM PDT reply actions  

First Post Here

I don’t know that there is a better way to begin my AN posting career than with an “Alleluia!”

by TD_21 on Jun 9, 2011 7:33 PM PDT reply actions  

I am so ashamed of AN right now...

The blogfather says:

I don’t care if you’re my best man at my wedding but if you mishandle my best asset… you’re going to wind up looking for work.

AND NO ONE SNICKERS ABOUT THE MAN’S MISHANDLED ASSET?!?!?!?!?!

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Jun 9, 2011 10:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Not Everything Is Fixed

This move – the firing of Geren and hiring of Melvin – has kind of been thrown out of proportion. I like what’s happened. I was anti-Geren and I think Melvin is good. He’s a definite improvement . However, there’s only so much a manager can do for a team. Geren was responsible for many things. He was a bad skipper. He had no fire, didn’t motivate the guys and mismanaged the team many times. But Melvin isn’t going to be Superman. It is ultimately up to the players, and the manager cannot singlehandedly change the fate of a team. This will make a difference; you saw it in the lineup. It was a better lineup then what Geren came up with most of time. But Melvin can’t hit the curveball for Willingham. He can’t pinch-hit for Barton. He can teach and assist the team, but it’s up to the players to win. If the manager is good, that helps, but it won’t suddenly transform the Oakland A’s into the New York Yankees. We have problems, and we have to deal with them and try to find a way to win.

by Jason James on Jun 10, 2011 6:43 AM PDT reply actions  

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