What a Coincidence! A's Swept at Fenway
So, Miss .500 isn't so looking so unappealing right now, hmm? Well, I don't think we'll be seeing her for awhile. Maybe not for the rest of the season. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for the Yankees, the Red Sox, John Lackey, Bob Geren, and that annoying AAMCO commercial.
Another day against the beasts of the East, another defeat. At least it didn't take five hours this time to decide a winner. Unlike the previous two games, the A's showed little fight today, falling meekly by a 6-3 score to the BoSox.
I may not the most qualified guy on the panel to discuss Brett Anderson's recent struggles, whether they are derived from facing a pair of potent lineups on consecutive starts or from a possible injury, but the young left-hander clearly did not have it today, as the five runs on nine hits he allowed in just five innings would attest.
The big blows were delivered off the bats of Carl Crawford (three-run homerun in the second) and Adrián González (two-run shot in the fourth). The latter blast came after the A's had closed to within 3-2 in the top half of the inning when Kurt Suzuki was hit by a pitch, stole second base, and scored on a base hit by Daric Barton. Barton, who also doubled home a run in the sixth, recorded two hits in each of three games this weekend.
Suzuki was hit by a John Lackey offering just a half inning after both benches were warned (DeJesus was clipped in the first, and Anderson hit Crawford in the third), but Lackey was allowed to continue, and he later hit Conor Jackson with a pitch in the sixth, again without incident (unless you count Jackson scoring on Barton's two-bagger as an incident).
Either I'm confused about the rules, or Lackey was the recipient of home cooking. Either way, elcroata wasn't very thrilled about it:
(extremely) sick of double standards - you either issue the warning or just shut the (heck) up. But you can't issue the warning and have the same pitcher hit two batters, no matter how unintentional it might seem, just because Sox' bullpen is tired, dude.
Uh-huh. Then again, you'd think that your manager would at least move from his post to challenge the non-call. Oh. Never mind.
Oakland managed a mini-tease in the seventh- leaving two runners on- then saved its fan base from any further suffering, going in order in the eighth and ninth.
The A's now head to Baltimore. You remember the Orioles. They're the guys the A's swept last week, kicking off good vibrations heading into the Yankee series. Seems longer than a week ago, actually.
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I never liked her.
She only stuck around for a game at a time.
There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.
by GreenNGoldSooner on Jun 5, 2011 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
It was yeoman work
I vibrated with joy that join A's. -- Kim Seong-min
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 5, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Yo, man, nice work!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Since sniffing first for one day (5/17)...
They’ve played 18 games and managed to win just 5 of them, getting swept 4 times.
Seems like almost an allergic reaction to success.
by AsFan72 on Jun 5, 2011 1:50 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
We either gained or lost 6 games in the standings in a week --
There’s a half chance I’m really happy right now!!!!!!!!
I love watching a winning team with a chance to contend, and I don’t mind watching young guys who are “the future” take their lumps at the big league level. What I hate is watching old crud play for a team that is going nowhere.
There is nothing the A’s have to lose, organizationally, to identify the future and see what those guys can do to make the team palatable after 2011. That’s Weeks (2B) for the awesome-but-old Ellis now, Sizemore (3B) for the not-awesome Kouz in the next two weeks, and Carter (DH) for the bat-speed-of-a-drugged-elephant Matsui in the next month.
Not sure where Taylor stands, currently, on the depth chart so I’ll leave him out for the time being, and Cardenas appears to be a man without a position.
What’s sad is that this is the best we have just for guys who might be the future and might or might not be ready. The A’s probably need to trade Suzuki or Anderson, which means creating a hole to fill other holes.
This is not good.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Seriously.
It’s time to bring In some of the young guys. These past few weeks have been bad.
by Twan54321 on Jun 5, 2011 1:56 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't mean it as a panic move.
I mean it as having some purpose for this current decade. I’m only looking at guys for whom it’s developmentally appropriate to bring them up; I’m not talking about bringing up guys who are 20 or who have never played above AA.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
What's wrong with a panic move?
I vibrated with joy that join A's. -- Kim Seong-min
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 5, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, by its nature panicking isn't how you want to respond
But if by being deliberate and thoughtful, you conclude you should do the same thing you’d do if you panicked, then so be it.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jun 5, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree.
Mentioned this in the game thread yesterday….the A’s should jettison everyone with a contract ending this year if they’re out by 7 games or more on June 15th. There’s no point in continuing to play guys like Kouzmanoff, Ellis, and Matsui because even if they do rebound, they’re just gonna rebound to the average players they were before. That’s not going to help you make up such a large deficit.
Guys with no value (Kouzmanoff, Matsui) should be cut. Guys with value should be traded (DeJesus, Willingham, etc). The A’s might get more for those players now than at the deadline because a lot of teams are contending right now and no one else is looking to sell.
The young guys should get from June 15th to the end of the season in order to hopefully show that a few of them can be viable pieces of a contending team. You’d also get a better idea of whether you’ll have a possible contender in 2012 or not. If none of them pan out, then it’s likely that quality baseball isn’t possible in Oakland anymore. In which case, the A’s should really blow it up (and keep their Carlos Gonzalezes this time), make sure the stadium situation is solved ASAP, and build for the San Jose A’s, hopefully debuting around 2015.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Jun 5, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wonder what the odds are that the A's could trade someone like DeJesus or Crisp,
and then look at re-signing them in the off-season. Of course, I’d rather have a really good OFer than have “pretty ok” players making that position “full,” but the A’s do have some talent there and have such need on the INF that I don’t really want to lose all three.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I'd look into re-signing one of them if the young A's show that they could possibly turn the team into contenders within the next year or two.
If not, then there’d be no point.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
I don't think there ever will be such thing as the San Jose A's.
"Note to self, do not carve marionettes out of meat, sometimes they accidentally become big league managers."- Kyli
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 5, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
unless Selig's successor risks the antitrust exemption to battle Neukom in court.
"Note to self, do not carve marionettes out of meat, sometimes they accidentally become big league managers."- Kyli
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jun 5, 2011 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Neukom wouldn't do that
If the antitrust exemption goes away, then territorial rights become null and void as antitrust violations.
I agree
minor quibble, I think Kouzmanoff may have limited value to someone who has a glass 3b. Rays won’t need him, but maybe washington or cincinati or something.
Bag of balls is all I need.
Put a bird on it
Probably more value to a team in the NL since he actually knew what his bat was for. Maybe LaRoche getting DFA'd woke his ass up a litlte.
"The A's leave 2 men on and fail to score." - Anyone broadcasting an A's game.
Seems unlikely...
That Sac call ups could fare any worse. I think the biggest problem over the last 5 years is an unwillingness to commit to a rebuild, thus resulting in these mish mash teams of underachievers, has beens and never gonna bes.
I’m far more interested in watching kids figure it than veterans giving up.
by AsFan72 on Jun 5, 2011 1:57 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Even if they did do worse...
…it doesn’t really matter, because today’s team is not getting it done, and shows no signs of getting it done
I'm on board with this
This team as constructed will not contend. The manager should’ve been canned after the Fuentes debacle, but was retained and with expressed votes of confidence from the GM and owner after the fact.
Banking on Matsui to be a good DH was a pipedream. And sticking with Kouzmanoff despite multiple attempts to rid your team of him was questionable. Leaving your bench under-manned, thereby handicapping your manager for any late innining chess-match moves is suspect.
I’m ready for mass changes, simply for caprice, because this team is a bummer to watch. “No Future” by the Sex Pistols seems apt.
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?
A haha!
There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.
by GreenNGoldSooner on Jun 5, 2011 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Chris Carter on a rehab assignment in Stockton
YAY….?
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
I always find it amusingly strange when minor league players go on rehab assignments to lower levels of the minors.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
Ken joked he was there to provide protection for Choice
He might also want to provide Choice with a bat twice the length and twice the width.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
They should send out wind advisories for Stockton for the swing and misses those guys are gonna make.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
Wind Power
Green Energy: 2013 Oakland A’s Baseball
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
The A's can't afford a plane ticket to send one of their top prospects to Colorado?
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
What's the point when they're just coming back to Sacramento in a few days?
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Dunno. Colorado Springs is a nice place to hit though.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
Sure, but I can see the sense in giving him 2-3 games at a lower level to get back to speed
The River Cats will be back home from the 9th-12th.
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Whatever it takes to get him hitting and up to Oakland to replace Matsui, asap.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
Won't we lose our Japanese fan?
I vibrated with joy that join A's. -- Kim Seong-min
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 5, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Haha! ZING
I guess we have to breakdown that extra photographer well soon afterwards.
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
Damn. I forgot about the hit to Lew's pocketbook.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
Deposit Carter via carrier pigeon.
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
That's one strong pigeon
I vibrated with joy that join A's. -- Kim Seong-min
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 5, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe Carter can hitch a ride.
Damn, he has a bad thumb.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Supposedly he's in Stockton
Only til the Rivercats get back to Sacramento.
by OaklandSi on Jun 5, 2011 4:43 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
So, uh, he's not in the lineup today......
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
Really?
I’m so pissed at the A’s right now that it’s no longer any fun to hate on the Giants. how can one hate on a team when his own team suck so badly…
by sf drift king on Jun 5, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I couldn't agree with you more
I had zero…and I mean zero confidence that we would win today once Crawford hit the 3 run homer….in the 2nd. I watched the whole game then switched it over the the Giants game. As much as my stomach churns and at times I want to puke watching the Giants play in front of 41,396 fans I enjoy watching good baseball. When Torres came up with the game tied and a runner on second I knew they would win. No cheer, not even one ounce of happiness…..in fact I wanted to puke. For every A’s fan I know, I easily know 20 Giants fans, And they talk SMACK. Fitting since this is the first time they can.
yep,
going to my 1st Giants game in nearly 3 yrs, and will be sporting my A’s attire, but the difference this time is, I think I may actually enjoy the game instead of the park.
by sf drift king on Jun 6, 2011 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL John Sterling
“Hit in the air to deep right field, It is High, it is far, It is gone…. “Mark sends a Tex message”…..“Oh, You’re on the Mark Teixeira”
of course this is a repeat but I still laugh when I hear it
slegnA fans have heard this twice today already.
I can watch mediocre
I can’t watch terrible. I have tickets to about ten more games. I’ll go to Root Beer Float day (who can resist root beer floats?) and probably one date in August and September each just to see some baseball. But the rest of my tickets are going on Stubhub.
This season is done. Here’s to hoping for a team next year that has some energy and talent and is at least mediocre. New ownership (someone who actually likes baseball and hasn’t bought the team solely to make money off revenue sharing and potential future real estate deals) and management (someone who hasn’t decided that soccer is really his thing) are desperately needed.
New Owner, GM and Manager
Needed. They are defrauding A’s fans with their crap.
I wouldn’t call this mediocre. That’s being too kind.
by Trainman on Jun 5, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Really?
I can watch terrible with a future. I can’t watch mediocre with no future.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Jun 5, 2011 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
So you want to trade Gio, Trevor and Brett?
I vibrated with joy that join A's. -- Kim Seong-min
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 5, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the A's are going to have a fire sale before the trading deadline
Trade gonzales to the yankees cahil and willingham to who cares. Then they are going to try to beat out the astros for the worst record in baseball. This is all part of lew wolf’s plan to make the A’s suck, so that he can move the team
Flew out to Boston for the whole series
Spoke to gio on Friday he signed my hat. He also said he talked to big papi and Ortiz was pulling with red sox mngmnt to bring him over…..nooooo!
by sballdayerday on Jun 5, 2011 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait, to bring who over where?
Ortiz to OAK or Gio to BOS?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I see all Brett said was he could not control his breaking pitch
I wonder if that’s French for my arm is not right.
No, that's French for
“I stayed out too late on Saturday night hanging out with eligible, young women getting bottle service up in the club!”….
"You're early, but hang around; we'll have a fight for you sooner or later."
-John "Blue Moon" Odom
I would think it would be Gio going to Boston....my guess.
And I say, “Fuck That Noise!”.
"You're early, but hang around; we'll have a fight for you sooner or later."
-John "Blue Moon" Odom
Gio to boston
Now I’m just some random fan so he could have been talking out his ass but he was smiling the whole time he told me
…..I’m just sayin is all.
by sballdayerday on Jun 6, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
This beats seeing the A's reach .500, get above .500, go back to .500, get below .500, reach .500 again...
….rinse and repeat.
This shit isn’t fun, but the more the A’s lose, the better. Many weeks ago, I suggested that the A’s should tank and go through another rebuild, and I’m sticking by that. Blow the team up, and call up some of the kids. The A’s would still consistently lose, but at least the team would be a little fun to watch. Even when the A’s are 2 or so games over .500, they’re still a horribly boring team to watch. So yeah, it’s time to put an end to this shitty brand of baseball.
''I am her night in baseball armor'' - Jose Canseco on Lady Gaga
The more the team loses like this
the more likely a blow up is going to happen. I’m really concerned about Bret Anderson, especially, and Cahill, to a lesser degree. What’s going on with these guys? Gio is really the only on who has not been getting hammered on the mound lately…..I mean, this is really bad. Anyways, another day, another 3 hours wasted. Laundry time…!
Go A’s!
"You're early, but hang around; we'll have a fight for you sooner or later."
-John "Blue Moon" Odom
Anderson is worrisome
But then again, the reality of an under-performing offense offering little support has to be weighing on them slightly. Little room for error for a pitching staff that is still young.
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
One of the barometers I look at to measure a team is how they play against probable playoff teams
Right now the Indians are still looking good in the AL Central so I’m going to include them. But, head-to-head so far:
BOS: 1-4
NYY: 0-3
CLE: 1-2
SFG: 0-3
TOT: 2-12
And they’re 12-10 within the division right now.
Last of the Ninth - Photography
Let's keep this team together and see if they can right the ship : X
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
Winning
We used to know how to win, while sometimes underacheiving even. But not any more.
And now we have a pattern of underacheiving and losing also. Not good. If we are truly
lacking in talent relative to our competiton let’s at least play at the level we are capable of.
We have always lead the universe in brain dead at bats and now we are suffering in additonal facets of the game.
The truth hurts
This team is cooked!
..and worst off is how well Seattle, Seattle of all teams, is playing… I don’t even know who their manager is?
Bug Selig still won't care enough to bring about a decision
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
The A's always inflate the number to 10,000 even though we know it's less
So on that logic, I say 10.
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
Time to be even more of the laughing stock of the MLB
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
Probably just the workers and the opposition fans
That might make management wake up
They'll just cut the hours of the Coliseum workers
One concession stand, with the guy playing Stomper doubling as a security guard.
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
Security elephant!
I like it.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I have season tix
and still don’t go to games.
by sf drift king on Jun 5, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
If I lived there, I wouldn't buy season tickets until
Geren was gone and Beane pulled his head out of his rectum.
Flushing money down the toilet or the Coliseum urinal trough would be funner.
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
The A's are becoming the new Montreal.
Just like Montreal was killed as a viable market for baseball, the Bay Area is being killed as a two team market. Good job Lou, I’m sure that was Bud’s intention all along.
Marlins' attendance today looked worse
Than any I’ve seen at the coliseum
by OaklandSi on Jun 5, 2011 4:45 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
A's pitchers entered today having hit 16 batters
The most: Boston, 31
The least: Chicago, 12
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So we should hit more batters?
I vibrated with joy that join A's. -- Kim Seong-min
by WaddellCanseco on Jun 5, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, the talk going around is how they never do anything when their own batters get hit
And they’ve been hit the third-most of all AL teams (maybe up to 2nd now after today bumped it to 27).
Sometimes you hit someone to send a message, whether it’s “don’t crowd my plate” or “this is for drilling my hitter.”
The A’s don’t seem to do either of those things.
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Little known fact: Bob Geren is a pacifist
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
Well, Anderson did hit Crawford
after Moth Breather hit De Jesus first. Although if I were Anderson, once crawford started talking shit on his way to first, I’d a told him to go f**k himslef. But that’s just me……
and yes, where the hell was Geren after two amore A’s got dinged? Pathetic…….
"You're early, but hang around; we'll have a fight for you sooner or later."
-John "Blue Moon" Odom
Yes, that's why it came up
Because whether or not Anderson meant it, he still hit Crawford.
I think the warnings made little sense to begin with but why even make them if Lackey’s going to get away with hitting two guys after that, wild or not? Apparently the only time Geren even said anything was when he went to ask the plate ump between innings after Suzuki got beaned.
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Exactly......
pathetic.
"You're early, but hang around; we'll have a fight for you sooner or later."
-John "Blue Moon" Odom
so the A's are getting free bases and not giving them up?
where is the problem?
Put a bird on it
by Future Ed on Jun 5, 2011 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is a free base worth losing Willingham for two months with a broken wrist?
Or for the season with a skull fracture?
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
Yeah
I mean, it’s about protecting the inside part of the plate and your own hitters. If that means once in a while someone takes one in the back to send a message, that’s the way the game is played sometimes.
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Maybe they should postpone the "Moneyball' film for next season
A good season by the A’s won’t coincide with it’s release year.
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
It's patently embarrassing that a movie is coming out about the A's small market genius
We’re ahead of the curve because we…Can’t develop hitters, sign over-the-hill FAs, take 5 years to rebuild an underperforming mediocre team with a pathetic infield and a below average farm system…?
Moneyball: The Art of Ensuring Annual Mediocrity For Fans Who Care More Than You Do.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
At least we won't have a quick re-write along the lines of "Fever Pitch"
Which means no Brad Pitt as Billy Beane jumping around like a goober on the field as the A’s celebrate winning the World Series in 2011.
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
Contract them
and put us all out of our misery
SSS or not
The AAA lineup today by OPS:
1.167
.924
.858
1.118
.728
1.012
.864
.864
.898
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
Gotta love the PCL
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
What are the MLE's for PCL teams?
"Feel so bad, feel like a ballgame on a rainy day"-Lightnin' Hopkins
by justANotherAsFan on Jun 5, 2011 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Adjusting for both parks (sacto to oakland) the Cats have an MLE of .234/.304/.356/.660.
The A’s are putting up a line of .240/.308/.351/.659.
So they are about the same, and have been since I started checking three weeks ago. MLE currently gives the Cats 50 HRs to the A’s 33, but Oakland comes out marginally ahead in just about every other category. Going forward I’d still expect the A’s to put up much better numbers – guys like Kouz and Ellis are already regressing towards something semi-decent – but that doesn’t mean the A’s brass couldn’t do a better job of mixing in guys from Sacto. Another thing to consider is that the A’s undoubtedly have better defense than their AAA team… actually on second thought I’m not so sure.
by Aufheben on Jun 5, 2011 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Another caveat is that an AAA team's MLE is going to be helped by, older, career minor leaguers who have repeated the same level
I checked Jai Miller’s MLE a few days ago and his OPS was somewhere in the .850-60 range. But then you consider its his second time through the league and he’s on pace to K more than 200 times in AAA, and it seems very doubtful he would hit that well in the bigs.
thanks.
I get a bit tired of all the hype over the RiverCats’ batting. so, no real salvation there. I do agree we could bring up some kids, but let’s not go through the “Chris Carter is Coming! Hallelulah!” madness again, please.
"Feel so bad, feel like a ballgame on a rainy day"-Lightnin' Hopkins
by justANotherAsFan on Jun 5, 2011 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions
We're awesome at building AAA teams!
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
Scouting department great at uncovering your Wes Timmons', Jai Miller's, and Matt Carson's of the world
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
The A's have a lot of nice pieces for a fire sale
I say punt. Start letting it known that everyone is available. And I mean everyone. Try for a week to see if they can find a taker for Kouz/Ellis/Matsui, if not, DFA them. Keep the OFers for now, but let it known Willingham/DDJ/Crisp are available. All three should draw interest. While at least the first two are type As, the new CBA may not allow for picks for them, so I definitely try to trade them.
All bullpen pieces should be available. I doubt anyone will want Fuentes, but dangle him. Balfour/Wuertz should draw interest. Ziggy/Breslow/Devine are probably not in high demand and are good pitchers, but if anyone asks for them, trade them. Bailey should stay to prove he is healthy before trading him.
Suzuki should have been traded in the offseason or the year before. But I look for a strong offer from a team like Boston.
Lastly, the young starters. I wouldn’t trade them in season. But I worry Anderson is injured again. If he is, he could very quickly go from a golden asset into Rich Harden from 2006-2008. If someone asks for him super aggressively, I deal him. Since Cahill and Gio have stayed mostly healthy, you keep them to the offseason at least.
Finally, the callups. I’m not sure any real prospect is really deserving of a callup. Weeks kind of sucked last year, so I’m not buying quite yet. Cardenas might be OK, if he had a position. It’s time to experiment with some lottery tickets. Call up Sizemore and let him play for a few months straight. Once an OF spot opens up, call up Jai Miller or Jermaine Mitchell. I don’t expect anything from either, but they’re toolsy enough that there’s a miniscule chance they’re a late bloomer. If Ellis is gone, call up Cardenas at 2b. His bat is more ready than Weeks and if he really can’t hack it at any position but there, the A’s have to trade or move Weeks to maximize their values. Allowing both time at 2b simultaneously allows the A’s to showcase either.
Carter and Taylor both were important parts of the A’s future. I wouldn’t want to totally destroy their developments, but both are looking more and more like busts. If the A’s really wanted to play it risky, you could call one or both up, with the expectation that they’re going to suck.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
So, then, if we trade Suzuki, who is our catcher?
Have you seen Powell’s numbers against LHP?
Stassi is injured, is he not?
No need to dfa Ellis. I’m sure there are contenders who will take some classy D up the middle and can afford a dead slot in the offense.
so, having traded everybody except Jackson and Barton and Pennington, do you trust that the spare parts from AAA and what we get back will be anything resembling a team?
I’m pretty sure Sweeney and Jackson are not enough outfield, too.
"Feel so bad, feel like a ballgame on a rainy day"-Lightnin' Hopkins
by justANotherAsFan on Jun 5, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I was just preparing for the possible answer.
We have to field some sort of team. We have no one but Suzuki and Powell (and Powell really hasn’t hit at all lately, but I guess he’s adequate at the plate.
"Feel so bad, feel like a ballgame on a rainy day"-Lightnin' Hopkins
by justANotherAsFan on Jun 5, 2011 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
No one?
If they got rid of Suzuki you’d be seeing Donaldson or Recker up here.
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Just great. AAAA and not ready, pick your poison. Powell still has to be the backup, so one of those two would have to be the starting catcher.
"Feel so bad, feel like a ballgame on a rainy day"-Lightnin' Hopkins
by justANotherAsFan on Jun 5, 2011 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, that's what you get if you trade Suzuki as part of a fire sale and don't get a good starting C in return
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I'M not advocating it. vignette17 is.
"Feel so bad, feel like a ballgame on a rainy day"-Lightnin' Hopkins
by justANotherAsFan on Jun 5, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
donalson's ship has sailed, or is at least pulling away from the dock.
I doubt Recker is really ready yet.
"Feel so bad, feel like a ballgame on a rainy day"-Lightnin' Hopkins
by justANotherAsFan on Jun 5, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I saw the pics.
I guess that might put some butts in the stands…
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by justANotherAsFan on Jun 5, 2011 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
And that's just his ass.
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Well crap, then what am I?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
You, (and many of us as well), are one of the "Ancients" around here.
i've never tried to rank them to be honest. i guess i like beer.- stm72
You call up Donaldson
He was a real prospect as recently as a year ago. He probably will fail.
Most of the guys we call up will fail. The A’s won’t compete this year. We take the lumps. We play shitty for 4 months, and hopefully we find one or two of Sizemore, Donaldson, Cardenas, Mitchell, Taylor, Miller is actually a capable major leaguer.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
Blowing it all up is not going to satisfy. It's just sort of running around like a chcken with its head cut off.
We need new management. I’m done with Billy Beane, mostly because he refuses to man up and fire his friend.
Plus, the kids might be all right, but they’re no where near as good as the starters we will lose in a blow up. I’ve got no problem dfa’ing Matsui, or Kouz either. I’ve got no problem with trying to trade Ellis to some team that needs classy defense up the middle. Bring up Sizemore, and Weeks, and Rosales. All fine. Probably trade Rosales or Sizemore at some point in that case. I guess they’ll stick with Jackson because “Billy really likes him”. He’s a fine platoon complement to deJesus/Sweeney and maybe Barton occasionally, because all of them have trouble with lefties and Jackson rakes against them.
I do have a problem with losing Crisp when we have no one to replace him in CF. He’s really just Rajai at the plate but he looks a lot better doing it, and he can play the field just fine, thank you. No sense in going without a viable CF. We could lose either of Sweeney or deJesus (they’re both pretty good, with pretty much the same strengths).
But if management really wants to prove they care in any way about salvaging their fan base, the only pitcher I’d consider trading is Brett. He hasn’t looked all that great lately. We could get a monster haul for him with his insanely low contract by this year’s standards. so, if the right farm system was made available to us, with some serious replacement starter prospects, I guess I could live with that.
Willingham? Of course he has value. But without him, we’d better be sure the Burninator is ready to Monster Mash, because we’d be the most punchless offense since the dead ball era.
"Feel so bad, feel like a ballgame on a rainy day"-Lightnin' Hopkins
by justANotherAsFan on Jun 5, 2011 3:05 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
+1 on Rajai=CoCo
Rajai Career: 282 .329 .387 .716
CoCo Career: .277 .331 .410 .740
CoCo has slightly more pop than Rajai, better defense, and looks a whole hell of a lot better at the plate, and Rajai is less prone to injury, steals more, and can throw.
I call it a wash, and given the respective prices, and injury record, then Rajai looks better imo.
Supposesdly
I think at one point, Rajai had Crosbyitis, and was flailing at every slider low and outside.
Boy, a brief losing streak and everyone has given up.
The A’s ALWAYS suck this time of the year, and always fall several games under .500. During the early part of the decade, they rebounded with spectacular second halves; during more recent years, they came back then fell back. As, I suspect, will happen this season.
You can’t do a Marlins fire sale because the farm system isn’t sufficiently stocked to complement the new players; and you can’t get anyone good anyway when the sale players are all struggling.
I understand that DeJesus was brought on board in case Sweeney didn’t come all the way back. But he has, and therefore DeJesus is a logical trade candidate IF - big IF - Beane can get something decent in return. The A’s lose nothing if they lose DeJesus because both Sweeney and Jackson together or separately will do just as well taking his at bats, and that doesn’t count possible success by Cardenas or Taylor, or the longshot Jai Miller if they’re brought up.
Matsui was a dud the day he was signed, and was a huge mistake. HIs numbers were in fast decline last year, and he should have hung up his cleats. But by signing him, the A’s were not only limiting in-game moves by having five outfielders who could only play outfield (Willingham, Crisp, DeJesus, Sweeney, Matsui) and only two players who could relieve infielders (the LaRoche spot and Jackson, though Powell could also play first base), but also limiting their ability to bring up fresh faces from Sacramento because hardly anyone except LaRoche and Powell had options left, as well as having to wait two months or more to see if the notoriously slow-starting Matsui was through or not.
I’m not yet in favor of blowing the team up, my early frustrations notwithstanding. I think this group still could pull it together somewhat, particularly with a new manager, and if Matsui and DeJesus move on to other pastures, and slowly the AAA players get their chance. But this is at best an 83-win team, even if Barton comes alive and Anderson remembers how to pitch.
The team probably was a 83 win team
But even if they play .512 baseball (83 win baseball) the rest of the way, they’ll finish with 79 wins. Even with a little luck and a midseason acquisition, the division is all but lost. Since the A’s lose DDJ, Willingham, Matsui, Ellis, Jackson, and Crisp this offseason, there is no reason to not at least explore trading those six and a guy like Kouz.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
Crisp and the A's are a good fit. Willingham has expressed a desire to extend from day one.
And Billy "likes’ Jackson. Plus, we haven’t got replacement OF’ers for all three. Just a platoon of Sweeney/Jackson. We will sign one or two of Crisp, Willingham, DeJesus or Jackson.
We shall see.
"Feel so bad, feel like a ballgame on a rainy day"-Lightnin' Hopkins
by justANotherAsFan on Jun 5, 2011 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Willingham yes
Willingham is necessary because he’s got the only real power stroke on the team. Crisp makes great catches, has a lousy arm, and while he’s generally a smart base stealer, he can’t kick-start an offense, which was Rajai Davis’s strength. Jackson is, at best, an adequate fourth outfielder/spot first & third baseman. He can probably be replaced by Cardenas if he makes the transition to the major leagues.
Why is Crisp a good fit when Sweeney can play a comparable CF and can hit for higher average?
Sweeney can't grow a 'fro, so no character.
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
We've gon a third of a season. Sweeney has been at bat against LHP 7 times. He's strictly been used as a platoon player.
Let’s wait until the season is over to evaluate Sweeney’s ability to play CF on a daily basis, OK?
As to your contention vis-a-vis Davis: Crisp gets on base a bit more often and has more pop. Saying he can’t ignite an offense like Davis can is meaningless. He can’t ignite the 2011 offense like Davis ignited the 2010 offense in his absence. He is doing everything Davis did, plus a bit, but with a slightly lower stolen base rate per game played.
"Feel so bad, feel like a ballgame on a rainy day"-Lightnin' Hopkins
by justANotherAsFan on Jun 5, 2011 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll go further: I have yet to see Sweeney make the playes Crisp makes on an almost daily basis, getting to stuff no one expects him to get to. Yes, he's got a noodle arm, but he has been playing full-time CF for years for a reason.
"Feel so bad, feel like a ballgame on a rainy day"-Lightnin' Hopkins
by justANotherAsFan on Jun 5, 2011 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't know for certain, but haven't the white hot second halves disappeared under Geren?
by AsFan72 on Jun 5, 2011 5:19 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Considering the best season they've had under him was 81-81...
But, here:
2007: 1st half 44-44 / 2nd half 32-42
2008: 51-44 / 24-42
2009: 37-49 / 38-38
2010: 43-46 / 38-35
This must be tracked based on when the ASG is, too.
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Thanks, I knew it had cooled, didn't know it was that bad.
Their first half has actually been better than their seconds during his tenure.
8 under in the first
25 under in the second
Surprising, and terribly alarming for the remainder of this year.
Keep in mind
They gave up in 2007 and 2008, which had a significant effect on the second half outcome.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
And they traded Holliday just before the ASB in 2009.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Very true...
Just pointing out that waiting for the “customary” hot second half may be a flawed approach.
by AsFan72 on Jun 5, 2011 9:24 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
When do we put bags over our heads?
I saw a A’s t-shirt yesterday real cheap but didn’t want to buy it because it calls out loser team. Why waste my money on a team that their owner doesn’t care about.
I almost did this today at Fenway
But my seats were higher up than I realized so I didn’t bother.
I find it very hard to believe that players like Crisp, Willingham, and DeJesus aren't trying...
They are all in contract years and stand to make decent money. I don’t think effort is the problem. The As have always seemed to get “professional” players, meaning they go about their business with little attention-grabbing things.
The problem is that the team just doesn’t have enough good players to contend. Theonly thing the As had going for them is that the AL West is a weak division. And perhaps a breakout season by Carter or a trade in June.
When over half of your lineup could be easily replaced by replacement level players, you are not going to score runs.
PS- trade Brett Anderson now…. He’s gotta be hurt.
I agree with everything in this except for your last sentence.
Although I’m getting concerned as well.
"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime
I totally think they're trying, but I think players always try to get hits, make plays, and so on.
Why wouldn’t they? I feel like the term “heart” is poorly chosen. This team may have plenty of heart. What they have is no soul.
Across the bay, you’re seeing a team right now with its only really good hitter out, that has Eli Whiteside as its every day catcher, a left side of the infield of Emmanuel Burriss and Brandon Crawford, and really only two dominant starters (Bumgarner is good but not great, Sanchez is very inconsisent, and Vogelsong is the Giants’ version of McCarthy: a reclamation project no one wanted who is pitching surprisingly well), yet they haven’t missed a beat.
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THAT is where coaching, scouting, and luck come into play.
And THAT is where Beane is failing to the point of him needing to be gone. There is a deep problem in the farm system and coaching staff that falls squarely on him.
by Brett Narloch on Jun 5, 2011 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions
They have scouts that know their pitching
They have scouts who seem to know nothing about hitting and if they do, they get overidden by Beane. He gets the blame for that and the coaching staff and their philosophy.
And the topper is he keeps his boyfriend as manager.
I really do think having Rosales on the team will help just from that fact that he brings the dreaded “energy” word. When I see this team right now I think it is personified by the Mark Ellis popout. That is what I see. This team right now has the energy of a Mark Ellis “drop your head and run out a pop up”
I have a Joni Mitchell song in my head, although it has undergone slight revision via my subconscious
See the tarps in chevron flight
flappin’ and a-racin’ over San Leandro
they had the urge for goin
so I guess they’ll have to go
"If we start getting into that sh*t, we might as well get out the plastic sheeting and have an orgy." --Gaijin Suketto
Brett explains his pitching problem (in SS's Chronicle game wrap)
Anderson had allowed 11 hits and 10 runs, nine earned, against New York in his previous outing. The primary problem he is having lately, Anderson said, is that his slider doesn’t have its customary bite, and he also has lost velocity on it. The pitch is usually in the 82-83 mph range, Anderson said, but now it’s 79-80 mph.
His fastball is also down a few ticks from where it was two years ago, but Anderson said that the low- to mid-90s he was hitting then was the anomaly, not the high 80s he’s working in now. The uncooperative slider is the bigger issue.
“It’s rolling in there,” he said. “It doesn’t have good sharpness in the zone. It’s not a good swing-and-miss pitch.”
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/06/05/SPBP1JPDMV.DTL#ixzz1OS9JWH00
The question is why.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I say see if he improves over the remaining portion of the season
If not, explore a Mark Mulder-like trade (although Anderson isn’t as established as Mulder was at the time of the trade with St. Louis, but maybe his health trumps what was left with Mulder at the time).
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
Because he's throwing it like 40% of the time
and has arm problems
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If he's pitching hurt which may well be the case
then he and the organization deserve all the shit that comes with it. If it is the case then it’s more incompetence from the steaming pile which is management.
If you are hurt and say nothing and the experts who allow you to keep pitching do nothing then that tells you all you need to know.
Ellis
Mark is my favorite A. I think he is hurting the A’s. For some reason he does not look the same. He has no pop, no pull , no nuthing ! What the heck is going on? The A’s are hard to watch.
I love Ellis but at this point I'd rather see Sogard, Cardenas, or Weeks
It’s rare for a player to be retained for so long by the A’s, but time has come to cut ties with him.
I’m not asking for a fire sale, but a shake up involving 3B and 2B would be welcomed, along with dumping Matsui. This may ignite sometime or fail miserably, which as of now, has been the status quo.
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
Exactly. A "fire sale" is extreme.
Bringing up guys who might be part of the future to replace guys who won’t, and who happen to suck now, is the issue.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Yeah, pinning all our hopes on that guy was Beane's worst move this offseason
Now with Rosales back in the fold, watch out!
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I'm hoping this would be written using the carcasm font if it existed.
I actually think LaRoche got a bum deal. His fielding was so-so, he had no business hitting against RHP, but I don’t think he’s anywhere near the problem Matsui is (and I thought the man had another year in the tank, but I get that he’s just out of gas and can’t get around on the fastball now).
"Feel so bad, feel like a ballgame on a rainy day"-Lightnin' Hopkins
by justANotherAsFan on Jun 5, 2011 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
SARcasm, not carcasm
"Feel so bad, feel like a ballgame on a rainy day"-Lightnin' Hopkins
by justANotherAsFan on Jun 5, 2011 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, like YOU'D ever be able to buy a Mercedes.
That’s carcasm.
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by Nico on Jun 5, 2011 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Matsui swing is horrible looking to me, but I'm no Gerald Perry
He seems to try to pull everything. Combine that with slowed bat speed and you get the anti-DH (maybe DO as in designated outmaker).
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
But don't you get it?
We’re a low budget team. Therefore we must cut the cheaper salaried player and keep the one with the bigger contract.
by Washoe Zephyr on Jun 5, 2011 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions
How was it bold?
He was signed because Rosales got hurt. Rosales isnt hurt anymore. Why would he think he would keep the job? He took a really classy way out though, he seemed pretty positive about the A’s, saying he didn’t think he’d get this much PT. Pretty classy.
CONTENDERS 6 pretenders O
You get what you pay for. Buffet or STEAK A’s fans? Billy Ball SUCKS! And Leo condones it ! Will you pay for a new Stadium to watch this pathetic club? SORRY LEO, Sorry Billy , the jigs up and we don’t dig your act anymore!
I was pretty sure the
correct score was 11 to P.
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what bothers me the most
is that every management level just seems inert. Sure there has been those dinky dunk trades and the cutting of LaRoche (how scandalous!?!), but we clearly some sort of infusion. If your scouts (although if these are the same people we’ve been relying on for our last few drafts, maybe we need a shakeup in the scouting dept too) are saying Jemile Weeks isn’t ready, fine, but let’s at least give Cardenas some playing time at 2B. And why keep Kouz and Matsui around? Ok, yes, they could go somewhere else and play better, but who cares? They are not in our future plans anyway, and the only thing their turnaround could do is lead us to a better form of mediocrity. It’d be a lot harder if it was something like what David Ortiz went through two years ago, or what Posada is going through now. But neither is the face of the franchise (or close to it), the only salient risk is that Godzilla will come back; tear down our buildings, breath fire, and rape our women. But I don’t live in Oakland, so I’m calling that a push.
The most energetic thing this year came from our LOOGY, but he’s a latino, so you expect him to be fiery.
At least give the fans some reason to stay interested in your product or I’ll just keep switching it to the Nats game like I have been recently.
Until anything at least sorta semi-radical happens, anything else feels:

Barton was a catcher in the minor leagues
so if they trade suzuki perhaps barton could try and see if he still has it. But then again why even bother. I just wish that bob geren would get fired. something. This team needs a shakeup. I’m tired of seeing matsui lose games too. Laroche was a much better player than matsui. So I really don’t understand why we keep that used up shell of a player around anyway. He has no energy for the game. I would much rather see some of those kids from triple a play. Watching Rajai play last year was fun, watching matsui be the do (designated out) is not fun.
I'd say, pretty safely, that Barton is never going to be a catcher again
At least not under normal circumstances.
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+1 "Watching Rajai play last year was fun"
For all his limitations, and for how crap we were last year, it was one of the few exciting things was when he got on base (which was not enough, but ironically compares favorably to everyone we have today). And at least Rajai tried.
I can cope with not winning, but not trying is driving me nuts. David DeJesus – a word – when you’re Barry Bonds or Frank Thomas with 500HR and a 300 career average over 10 seasons and are over 35, I will forgive you not running out ground balls – until then, try to appear like you care.
Matsui – I’d always rated him as one of the smarter ball players (not sure why), but not running to first base on that strike out drove me up the wall.
At the moment we’re not going to go anywhere with these players…so I don’t see what harm it does to ship them and bring up the AAA boys. Hey they might do worse, but at least I can actually see some effort, and have some glimmers of hope for the future.

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