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Roy Halladay: Still Very Good - Goes Nine, Beats A's, 3-1

So, the A's didn't end their two-team road trip breaking even, could not take it to the NL East. Even with pretty good outings by the eighth and ninth starters, the A's could not break even on this East Coast swing. Why?

On this Sunday, Roy Halladay was just too good. After spending a good chunk of the past few years "taking our hat off to those guys," the A's legitimately must take off their hats to Halladay, and thank their collective gods that he enjoys playing in the National League now.

Halladay got his tenth win, his fifth complete game and was a Coco-manufactured run away from another shut-out. He had 113 pitches and lowered his ERA to 2.40. And he destroyed the A's chances of a .500 road trip versus Josh Outman today.

Star-divide

Offensively for the Phillies, the top of the lineup - Jimmy Rollins and Placido Polanco - did their job, setting the table with six hits and all three runs scored.

Offensively for the A's, well, it was few and far-between.

Scoring summary:

In the first inning, Philadelphia matched their output the previous two games. First pitch swinging, Rollins ripped a shot into left, only to be outdone by certified-A's killer Polanco, who ripped a double to left. Shane Victorino followed suit, blooping a single into shallow left, scoring Rollins. Eight pitches, three hits, all to left. Outman then induced Ryan Howard to ground into a double-play, scoring Polanco.

Although the bottom of the second provided more base runners for the Phillies, the A's defense held. The top of the fourth would provide the next run, as Coco Crisp led the inning off with a bunt single that Halladay could do nothing with but hold onto. Crisp went to second when Hideki Matsui grounded out, and scored on Ryan Sweeney's swingle to shallow center.

In the bottom of the fifth, Outman got into trouble again. Rollins hit a weak grounder to Cliff Pennington who had no play. A's-killer Polanco singled to center, and Howard walked on a star-friendly check-swing walk to load the bases. Ben Francisco then dribbled a little come-backer to Outman, who had no play and Rollins scored. Carlos Ruiz then hit a bullet to center that Coco managed to wrangle to end the inning.

The A's were not without their chances. In the top of the second, Conor Jackson led off with two hits: Conor Jackson with a double, and Sweeney with an infield swingle. Scott Sizemore followed this with a double play to third and Landon Powell grounded out to end the threat. Then, in the top of the seventh, the same crowd gathered--Jackson led off with a single through the middle. Sizemore doubled deep into right field, but was not quite deep enough to score the run. Landon Powell then popped it up to second, and David DeJesus pinch-hit for Outman, struck out looking to end the inning.


Positives:

 

  • Outman pitched well, especially considering he gave up three straight hits to start the game.
  • Brad Ziegler pitched two innings of scoreless relief. He faced both left and right-handed pitching and managed to escape unscathed.
  • Coco's manufactured run in the fourth was quite pretty.
  • Conor Jackson had three hits and appears to be living up to NewBob's belief that he is good. Coco and Swooney also had two hit each. The problem, as the A's are a station-to-station team, is the rest of the team had one hit.
The A's have tomorrow off and return home Tuesday versus the Marlins. Interleague continues, but with AL rules.

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For those who were wondering about Jackson not scoring on that double...

…Vina said Gallego was sending him.

Looks like Jackson wasn’t watching Gallego while rounding second and then was looking down to find third base as he got close, so he wasn’t running full speed.

Last of the Ninth - Photography

by Flashfire on Jun 26, 2011 1:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Well, that's good then.

It just means Conor is a shitty baserunner

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by mikev on Jun 26, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah

we’d have lost 3-2 instead of 3-1

by Brian in 317 on Jun 28, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Base running

We have been terrible on the bases for years and I am not talking speed or stolen bases. Just brain dead base running. I see a lot of other teams go from 1st to 3rd on routine singles and we can’t score on a double or get home from 2nd on a single way too many times. Most of it has to do with anticipation and playing the game the way it’s supposed to be played. Kind of like putting the ball in play.Parts of the game that have nothing to do with salary or market size, but a lot to do with leadership/lack thereof
Let’s go Oakland

The truth hurts

by skeeter1 on Jun 27, 2011 5:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

I've never been angrier at this organization in my 30-plus years of being a fan

than I am now at how they’re mishandling and mistreating Chris Carter. They have a guy who’s been rated as one of the top prospects in the game sitting on his ass and refuse to use him just so their failed first baseman can play at triple-A. Daric Barton went 0-for—5 last night, and Reno actually walked Eric Sogard intentionally to load the bases for Barton, who promptly bounced weakly to the pitcher. Meanwhile, their top prospect (Carter) is third on the depth chart at 1B behind even Mark Ellis. What an embarrassing mess.

I’ve been excited about some of the young talent we’ve had in our minor-league system, but my faith that any of those guys will lead the A’s to the promised land has been shaken lately. In my view, Chris Carter is Exhibit A as to why this team’s current ownership and management will never be successful. I wish we took the approach of Seattle and Kansas City and even the Giants, who are letting their bright young prospects play and gain big-league experience rather than having banjo-hitting journeyman fill-ins stand in their way.

(Sorry for posting this on the recap as well as the lounge, but it seemed like people were moving over here.)

by RickeyIsTheGreatest on Jun 26, 2011 1:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Dude has just fucking forgotten how to play baseball.

Typical A’s prospect, really.

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by mikev on Jun 26, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I laughed.

It hurt so bad, I laughed.

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by MissOakland on Jun 26, 2011 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

yuck

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by stm72 on Jun 26, 2011 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

You might not want to use Seattle or KC as examples of teams using the correct approach.

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by mikev on Jun 26, 2011 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seattle's record is better than the A's, and Kansas City's isn't a whole lot worse.

And I have a hunch that both are closer to long-term contention with a core group of stars than are the A’s.

Look, my rant really isn’t just about Carter or Barton. I know there are a lot of Barton fans on this site, and nobody’s been rooting for him to break out of this slump more than me. I don’t want to get into a “Barton sucks” debate. I’m just frustrated that this organization is so in love with the status quo, whatever it is, and so damn risk-averse that they won’t put their best prospect in the lineup for any appreciable time.

I seem to remember that when they brought Anderson and Cahill up so quickly a couple of years ago, the A’s were criticized by Joe Morgan and others for rushing them. So now they’re unwilling to do the same with guys like Carter, Cardenas and Recker, all of whom have proven all there is to prove at the AAA level.

It’s like we’re permanently caught in a vortex between kind-of-rebuilding and kind-of-competing, and the fact is we’re not really doing either. We make just enough moves in the offseason to keep the MLB off our backs, and then we make a whole bunch of excuses like CT’s doing right now. I’m just tired of it.

by RickeyIsTheGreatest on Jun 26, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

you're right

The A's are a fairly quiet team, and then there's Ben Sheets. Sheets, as a kid, must have been thrown out of every library in Baton Rouge. ~ Scott Ostler

by Jessse on Jun 26, 2011 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Curious re: the excuses Townsend is making ...

I heard him rant yesterday that the Ellis over Carter move at 1B was incredibly stupid …

I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.

by Vacafan on Jun 26, 2011 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Expect Carter to start at DH on Tuesday

At least that was the scuttlebutt, especially with Matsui playing a credible LF. Also expect Ellis to get moved (rumors to the Giants, along with Powell…interesting article in the Mercury-News today). Then expect Carter to get his chance. Anyone watching Recker? 12 HRs and a .309 average? Maybe we’ll see him. Moving Ellis and/or Powell would create openings on the 40 man roster.

The next two weeks will be telling as we have a string of games against the M’s and Rangers. If we play well, maybe we’ll add a player, though there doesn’t seem to be much in the way of first basemen available on teams likely to be shedding players.

Hey dad, I got this guy's autograph, Rollie
Fingers. Who's he?

by WhizDad on Jun 26, 2011 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think DDJ is going to enjoy some pine for a while...but perhaps platooning

Jackson 1B, DeJesus RF against RHP

Carter 1B/DH, Jackson LF against LHP

Though it seems Sweeney is now above DeJesus on the depth chart

Hey dad, I got this guy's autograph, Rollie
Fingers. Who's he?

by WhizDad on Jun 26, 2011 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not according to the reports for the Marlins series

Melvin was talking about starting DDJ all three games.

Last of the Ninth - Photography

by Flashfire on Jun 26, 2011 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've been trying to find this article - can't find it - can you link it?

I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.

by Vacafan on Jun 26, 2011 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure, tip hats & all

but WTF is going on with all the one pitch outs, especially when it’s already been quick.

Powell, Crisp, Weeks, Matsui all seem to be making outs on first pitches. I don’t remember many/any first pitch hits.
First pitch out, yes.

by MobiusKlein on Jun 26, 2011 1:39 PM PDT reply actions  

We are OK

3 vs. Florida at Home, followed by 3 vs. DBacks. When can get back into the race. Then we finish with 3 vs Seattle and 4 against Texas before the break. And it looks like Harden and McCarthy will be back for the Seattle Series. We still have a chance!

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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jun 26, 2011 1:44 PM PDT reply actions  

I concur.

I didn’t really expect to gain or lose any ground on Tex for these 6 games (PHI, FLA). But I at least thought we would take 2 from Philly. We take 2 from the Marlins, we are back adjacent to the track. Our season pretty much boils down to that 10 game AL West free-for-all coming up.

by player20 on Jun 26, 2011 2:03 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

After we lost Friday, I definitely expected worse.

How many of us expected an 0-6 or 1-5 road trip? 3-3 would have been wonderful but 2-4 isn’t a total train wreck and we were in the games. No routes.

Hey dad, I got this guy's autograph, Rollie
Fingers. Who's he?

by WhizDad on Jun 26, 2011 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's hard to root against Halladay.

He is just fun to watch pitch. Like Maddux was back in the day.

by NateHST on Jun 26, 2011 2:00 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

This

(Made easier by the fact that he pitches in the NL and for a team I don’t hate)

There is no "i" in Teamocil. At least not where you'd think.

by GreenNGoldSooner on Jun 26, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

comments like this one always intrigue me

I don’t cheer for/root against anyone personally … I cheer for or root against individual players based on the uniform they wear. Therefore, I rooted my ass off for Halladay to fail today because the Phillies played the A’s. I rooted hard for him to suceed in the playoffs last year because they were playing the Giants.
No offense personally, NateHST, I just don’t understand the “personal” attachment some have for athletes … anyways, I guess that’s why they make chocolate and vanilla.

I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.

by Vacafan on Jun 26, 2011 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Obviously I would have preferred an A's victory.

But I’m a baseball fan first and foremost, and I enjoy watching good baseball players play. I wasn’t rooting for Halladay today, but I did enjoy the hell out of the performance that he put on.

by NateHST on Jun 26, 2011 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have no problem rooting against any player who plays against the A's

but i certainly appreciate the play of future Hall of Famers like Halliday and Ichiro, just to name two examples.

by OaklandSi on Jun 26, 2011 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Also, on a positive note:

It was good to see the A’s neutralize Ibanez. I couldn’t stand that fool when he was with SEA. Thank goodness Polanco is in the NL now. And getting beat by Halladay>getting beat by Holliday. That series last year sucked.

by player20 on Jun 26, 2011 2:09 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

I'd love for Jackson to be good, but I'm still not sold.

From what I saw/heard, only one of his hits was really legit, no?

"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime

by travdog6 on Jun 26, 2011 2:22 PM PDT reply actions  

I just checked the box score and they're all line drives.

Hey dad, I got this guy's autograph, Rollie
Fingers. Who's he?

by WhizDad on Jun 26, 2011 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't agree.

Video.

"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime

by travdog6 on Jun 26, 2011 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Point missed. :-)

Hey dad, I got this guy's autograph, Rollie
Fingers. Who's he?

by WhizDad on Jun 26, 2011 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, swing and a miss by me.

"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime

by travdog6 on Jun 26, 2011 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

BTW: since your tag line is about Pete Rose

Did you see him on camera the other night with what looked to be a lady from an escort service??? :-)

Hey dad, I got this guy's autograph, Rollie
Fingers. Who's he?

by WhizDad on Jun 26, 2011 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh god no.

Not that I’m surprised. How could anyone turn down that luscious bowl cut?

"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime

by travdog6 on Jun 26, 2011 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

It doesn't matter why he did this to you...

No one deserves this.

Hey dad, I got this guy's autograph, Rollie
Fingers. Who's he?

by WhizDad on Jun 26, 2011 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think this pic...

is the reason I hate the Beatles.

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Jun 26, 2011 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oww, my eyes!

That’s NSFH…. Not Safe For Humans

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by streetfan on Jun 26, 2011 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I appreciate the luck as well,

but I don’t think a check swing single is any indication that he’s good.

"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime

by travdog6 on Jun 26, 2011 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I heard he had two bloop hits.

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Jun 26, 2011 2:50 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Hmmm. he goes 3-4 against one of the best RH pitchers in the game. Two bloops, you say?

Not enough for you to decide he’s any good, eh? Not unless they were ‘real’ hits.

A few weeks ago, before Bob Melvin showed faith in him, it was an article of faith on AN that he “should never play against RHP”, despite the fact that his career splits aren’t completely awful.

Of course, around that time it was an article of faith on this site that Matsui should be dfa’d and Willingham or Carter made the DH.

What he really isn’t very good at is running the bases. Just like Ryan Sweeney he’s too hesitant to go all out when he puts a fly into the outfield with any chance of dropping. I don’t understand it, I don’t like it, and it has cost us runs on more than one occasion by both players. The only time it’s justified is if there’s a runner on first who has to come back to the bag until he’s sure it’ll drop.

"Feel so bad, feel like a ballgame on a rainy day"-Lightnin' Hopkins

by justANotherAsFan on Jun 26, 2011 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, that is exactly what I said.

"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime

by travdog6 on Jun 26, 2011 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

For the record, Matsui is still terrible.

And I don’t decide based on a SSS.

"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime

by travdog6 on Jun 26, 2011 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Special Prize Award!

The WhizKid just brought me back a canvas 12×20″ 1972 era Rollie Fingers print…on sale at Target. Points for the WhizKid! Thanks!

PS: he said that this series also had the Coliseum, the A’s logo, Reggie Jackson and, ta da…JACK CUST!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Hey dad, I got this guy's autograph, Rollie
Fingers. Who's he?

by WhizDad on Jun 26, 2011 3:46 PM PDT reply actions  

I've seen those!

I want one. Cust is….random.

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by MissOakland on Jun 26, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Random is kind

If they’d only been selling Cust photos, I would have guessed it was the last in a series titled “Oakland Athletics Disaster Collection”.

Hey dad, I got this guy's autograph, Rollie
Fingers. Who's he?

by WhizDad on Jun 26, 2011 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

wow NICE

that’s a good boy you have raised there, he knows what to do.

"If we start getting into that sh*t, we might as well get out the plastic sheeting and have an orgy." --Gaijin Suketto

by emperor nobody on Jun 26, 2011 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL The slegnA lost

Called Dodger player safe at plate on a sac fly to tie it when he was actually out. That would have ended the game at 2-1 slegnA but they got life and then Tony Gwynn Jr got a hit to win it

by Trainman on Jun 26, 2011 4:02 PM PDT reply actions  

DDJ vs Sweeney

So what did DDJ do to impress NewBob? I hope it wasn’t the “gone alookin” ko with
runners on second and third. Lets face it that guy is a bust against anyone but the Angels.

by Graybeard on Jun 26, 2011 6:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Wow CoJack is better than I thought
In the top of the second, Conor Jackson led off with two hits

NewBob’s faith appears to be justified – how many guys can lead off an inning with TWO HITS?

by dtran320 on Jun 26, 2011 8:12 PM PDT reply actions  

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

You’d think the A’s phenomenal starting pitching would take a big nosedive going to nine starters. Nope, it’s still phenomenal—STILL second in the AL in FIP only to the Mariners. And with McCarthy due back shortly, and Ross not far behind him, it stands to get more phenomenal still.

But no matter how well the A’s starters pitch, it just doesn’t matter if you can’t score runs against anybody.

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Jun 26, 2011 10:41 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

A's offence needs a shot in the arm to via for the pennant.

Well, the Allstar break is upon us. I am not holding out any hope that Lew Wolff will do anything other than have a fire sale. Perhaps if the A’s were a game or 2 out he might bring in one bat to put on the appearances that he is making an effort to help a team that could contend with more offense. I believe that the AL west is wide open. No team is just tearing it up. I believe the A’s should be BUYERS at the break instead of the annual talent purge that we normally see from Beane and his overlord.

Once, just ONCE I would like to see Wolff take a more active role in helping the A’s compete and win the AL west. It is high time that Wolff spent money to help the A’s compete against the big market big money teams. I’m not saying break the bank, but a good hitter or 2 would not cause financial meltdown on a team that spends little every season to field a team.

I think if Wolff were to allow Beane to bring in some talent, the A’s could still have a shot at the Pennant and would have as good a chance as anyone in a weak AL West. I have serious doubts that Wolff will do this however because his track record is to have fire sales EVEN WHEN THE TEAM IS STILL IN CONTENTION! Lets hope that Wolff coughs up the cash to bring in a veteran who can still hit. Not just make a token move to bring in a name vet who is washed up at the plate, but a serious veteran hitter who can help the A’s with their scoring woes.

I believe the A’s have a rotation and bullpen that can contend for an AL crown. The fact of the matter is, the A’s offense is putrid, and has trouble pushing across runs. If a veteran who has a history of RBI’s can be brought in to help score a run or 2, the A’s would not lose so many 1 run games. The Giants have just enough hitting to contend. That is what the A’s need to have a chance at the playoffs. This team is ready to break out. There is enough young talent, defense, and pitching to make a run at it. Problem is we have only 2 rookie hitters on our roster who are hitting over .280. The rest of the team is mired in a season long slump. It is time to address the hitting before the break so the A’s can make a run at the pennant. Unfortunately I dont believe Beane will be given that opportunity. Wolff likes to go cheap so he can pocket the extra money.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. The problem is NOT that the A’s are a small market team. Teams like Pittsburgh and Minnesota are small market but are thriving. The problem with the A’s is that they have an owner who has a track record of not spending ANY money to improve the team. The Salary is kept low purposely to add money to Wolff’s pocket. Lew spends as little as possible to field a bare bones team. All the acquisitions he did in the off season were players coming off of injuries. None of the hitters they signed are doing anything to help the team win. Then they bolstered their bullpen, but Fuentes has been a bust and Balfor has not produced on a regular basis. So none of the acquisitions in the offseason are paying off because they were coming off of injuries. Wolff needs to spend money on a healthy veteran hitter who has a track record of 90+ Rbi’s per year.

If A’s ownership does not have the financial wherewithal to put a quality product on the field, perhaps Wolff should sell the team to someone who does and quit jerking the fans around. I know that A’s fans are loyal to a fault. I have been following this team for 35 years, and ever since Wolff took control, the A’s have become a bargain basement club. It is high time for Wolff to loosen the purse strings and bring in talent to help the A’s compete. And NOT players who’s names are famous but their games are on the downward path because of injuries or age. It is time for Wolff to put up or go away.

I have mentioned it before, but Wolff has no incentive to spend money to improve the club. Whether they win or lose Wolff gets paid. The Salary Cap welfare check plus the TV rights assure that Wolff will turn a profit. But shouldn’t MLB step in and force Wolff to stop screwing with the integrity of the game? You can’t compete if your payroll is at or near the bottom every season. Other small market teams have used the draft and their farm system to improve. But Beane has traded away all our hitting prospects for cash considerations or cap relief. Ethier, Gonzales, and other hitters who are Allstars on other clubs were given away for next to nothing while the A’s still struggle at the plate to score runs. The Pitching is great, but pitching has NEVER scored a RUN EVER! What does it help that the pitching keeps the games close but the offense cant score? It has become a broken record and I hope it changes soon. Bobo Geren was a terrible coach that was disliked by the entire team apparently, yet it took years to jettison Geren because Wolff didnt want to pay 2 coaches at the same time.

I would like to see Wolff be more active in pursuing talent and give the A’s a chance to compete. But until Wolff changes his attitude toward the team and lets Beane have more to work with, I am afraid that the A’s will not be the team we all hope will someday emerge. The deck is stacked against the A’s. I just hope that sometime in the near future we can get a reshuffling of the deck. A new owner is desperately needed! One who cares about wins and losses as much as he does dollars and cents.

Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!

by FaStRmAn on Jun 27, 2011 12:50 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I Agree

I’m tired of Lew Wolff, who has not made a real effort to make the A’s a playoff caliber team. Say what you want about Schott & Hoffman, but they spent money to help the A’s win. Tejada, Foulke, Giambi, etc. Eventually those guys left because the A’s couldn’t afford to pay them, but Wolff doesn’t even try to get them over here for a brief amount of time.
It would be so nice to see the A’s pursue Pujols; even if we fail, it would show that Wolff made the effort to spend money to improve the team.

by Jason James on Jun 28, 2011 1:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

General thought: Batting average is a bad way to judge a hitter.

"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime

by travdog6 on Jun 27, 2011 6:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Oops wrong thread.

"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime

by travdog6 on Jun 27, 2011 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

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