Scott Sizemore acquired by A's.
by MikeGianella on May 27, 2011 1:33 PM PDT
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MLB Trade Rumors, Fantasy 411, Rotoworld and a number of other sites are reporting that the A's have acquired Scott Sizemore from the Tigers in exchange for David Purcey. Does this mean that Sizemore is going to AAA? Will the A's call a pitcher up to replace Purcey? Is Mark Ellis going to get moved at some point this summer? Can Sizemore or Ellis play third base? It seems odd that the Tigers traded Sizemore in a deal like this.
[baseballgirl update] According to Detroit's Twitter:
Tigers have acquired LHP David Purcey from Oakland for Scott Sizemore. Tigers have recalled Danny Worth from Toledo
Forgive me for Wikipedia, but here it is:
Minor Leagues
Sizemore was drafted by the Tigers in the fifth round of the 2006 Major League Baseball Draft out of Virginia Commonwealth University.
On October 23, 2009, it was reported that Sizemore broke his left leg (tibia) during a collision while playing in the Arizona Fall League the previous day.
On October 27, 2009, Sizemore had surgery on his fractured left ankle including screws being place to stabilize his ankle joint. He was able to return to action in time for Spring Training in 2010.[2]
[edit] 2010 season
On April 9, 2010, Sizemore got his first major league hit (a single) against the Cleveland Indians. Detroit won the game 5-2.
On April 11, 2010, Sizemore got his first extra base hit (a double) and an RBI in the bottom of the Seventh at Comerica Park against the Cleveland Indians. Jensen Lewis was pitching.
Sizemore hit his first major league home run off Los Angeles Angels pitcher Joel Pineiro on April 30, 2010. Coming in the same inning as Brennan Boesch's first career home run, it was the first time two Tigers had hit their first career home runs in the same inning since Pop Dillon and Kid Elberfeld did it in 1901.[3]
Detroit optioned Sizemore back to the Triple-A Toledo Mud Hens on May 16, 2010. Sizemore's average had slumped to .206 and he was in the midst of an 0-14 streak. Detroit recalled newcomer Danny Worth from Toledo and transferred veteran Carlos Guillen to second base.[4]
Sizemore was called up again on July 21 to play third base in place of the injured Brandon Inge.[5]
[edit] 2011 season
On May 2, 2011 Sizemore was called up again to the 25 man roster, replacing second baseman Will Rhymes. In his first game back, Sizemore faced the Yankees and went 3 for 4 with a double and an RBI. The 4–2 win for the Tigers also snapped a seven game slide.
On May 27, 2011, Sizemore was traded to the Oakland Athletics for David Purcey.[6]
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Sizemore to AAA
Cramer activated from 7-day DL and called up. I wonder if he’ll replace Moscoso/Outman or if he’s long relief.
Now if I only knew how to link to twitter to confirm….
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HMMMMMM
I’m thinking this has nothing to do with Ellis being benched or moved and more to do with getting a good prospect for a dime a dozen relief pitcher.
Does Sizemore play positions other than 2B?
I forgot we have Weeks there.
by Brett Narloch on May 27, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
His arm really isn't good for 3B though
It’s a tad weak from what I’ve heard.
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by David Tokarz on May 27, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
There aren't too many "good prospects" who are 26, but he has missed time to injury
I do not understand why we just got another 2B.
Cramer will be long relief for sure
Not sure if this mean Ellis is going to be traded – it just puts us in a better position if we do get a decent offer for him down the stretch. Sizemore was once a top prospect and this is a great low risk, high reward move by Beane.
I think when and if Rosales is ready to come off the DL – things are going to get a bit crazy. Ellis could get trade, Kouz DFA, LaRoche get DFA (less likely is value is decent) – Does Cardenas get a call up to start at 3B. This trade just sets us up for down the stretch and into next season
Great move BEANO
Lance "you sunk my" Blankenship
Cardenas isn't even playing 3B in AAA.
by Brett Narloch on May 27, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
were talkin' about the A's here. C. Jackson started at 3B for us
if you can play ss/2b – you can bet your ass he A’s will put you in at catcher by the end of the year
Lance "you sunk my" Blankenship
Hardly at all now: 16% of the games
Wow, Donaldson has gotten more starts there than him
Interesting.
by Glorious Mundy on May 27, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
the gamelog of where he's been playing recently is at the bottom of this page....
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Cool, thanks
They haven’t even given him a run of games at the position to get comfortable. Looks like every 10 days or so they’ll put him out there for a game.
by Glorious Mundy on May 27, 2011 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
How are you going to trade Mark Ellis right now?
He couldn’t possibly have less value.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
I expect the corresponding move to be
Bob Geren for the corpse of Osama Bin Laden. It will be reported as more of a lateral move.
I got nothin'
The lines of communication won't change very much
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by Flashfire on May 27, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
I'd love to hear more from some of the knowledgeable people here
To my untrained eyes this guy looks pretty good. Nice minor league numbers, though he is now pretty old for AAA. Disappointing ML numbers in 200 ABs. Any word on his defense? Could he be a legitimate third baseman?
Trade speculation alert!
I love it. Is Weeks being moved as part of a major deal? Crisp and/or Ellis?
by Brett Narloch on May 27, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I doubt Sizemore has anything to do with Crisp, but Weeks being moved wouldn't
surprise me
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by WaddellCanseco on May 27, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
wait to hear from danbot soon
I got nothin'
by OptimistPrime on May 27, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm fine with Coco in CF
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by WaddellCanseco on May 27, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
no way
Coco is awesome in CF
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by cuppingmaster on May 27, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
He isn't much of a hitter at any position
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by WaddellCanseco on May 27, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Cramer, not Bailey
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What are you talking about
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sent where?
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by cuppingmaster on May 27, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he means called up
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by OptimistPrime on May 27, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
father Desme forgives you of your transgressions
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by OptimistPrime on May 27, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
FATHER DESME IS DISPLEASED WITH YOUR SHENANIGANS
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He can kiss my
blarney stone. Plus he owes us a front line prospect.
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by OptimistPrime on May 27, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Cramer was called up and Sizemore was sent to AAA
according to various beat writers.
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can we get this kid to change his name to Grady?
would make this trade much more interesting
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by OptimistPrime on May 27, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
He's supposed to appear in a rehab assignment in Sac tonight.
Or so Rotoworld says on behalf of somebody.
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Purcey had the upside to be more than filler though
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by WaddellCanseco on May 27, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
So does Sizemore!
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by stranahanahan on May 27, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Another signal that Beane blames the personnel, not Geren.
Which is mostly right, I suppose. The only other thing I can think of is that the A’s intend to promote Weeks shortly, so they need some organization depth at second base.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
Listening to Lieppman talk about Weeks
Gave me an impression that the organization wants him to have a healthy year in AAA before he’s in any immediate plans. So I assume once Ellis is finally put out of misery in few weeks it’s actually Sizemore who’s going up.
Oy, that would suck if it's true.
I need a copy of that “you are so dumb, for real” gif with Lieppman’s visage photoshopped on it if that’s true.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
You can ready about it here:
MLB.com: How close do you see him (Weeks) being to Major League-ready?
Lieppman: He should be in the mix within the year. I’m not sure he’s ready to be called up right now, but given the fact this is a kid who hasn’t had many Minor League at-bats and hasn’t really had a full season, you let him play and see what happens, hope injury isn’t a factor. The way things are going right now, on a natural progression, he’s a guy you start looking at toward the end of the season.
Weeks will only be called up if he's seriously crushing it in AAA.
Unfortunately, he’s not.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on May 27, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
This line translates roughly to an OPS slightly below .700 in Oakland.
It’s fine for someone in their first go around in AAA, but it’s not indicative of someone who’s forcing a callup.
Also, hitting more than 2 XBHs in a month would help.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on May 27, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
It's also basically equivalent to Scott Sizemore's career AAA line.
I know he’s two years older, but still.
That's still nearly 200 points better than Mark Ellis.
I know there’s a good chance that Ellis will get somewhat better, but he sure isn’t showing any signs of it. I’d much rather have the 24-year-old with upside up here, than the 26-year-old who is what we think he is.
Jemile isn’t his brother…do they really expect him to develop that kind of power? His relatively low strikeout rate suggests that his ability to hit for average and get on base is not a fluke.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
To be clear, that MLE isn't a projection of what Weeks will do in Oakland.
Just a sense of how his minor league performance translates. There’s certainly a possibility he outperforms that line but there’s a also a huge possibility he completely crashes and burns. Remember, Chris Carter put up a .894 line in AAA last year. His performance translated to roughly a .750 OPS in Oakland but he was bad to the tune of a .585 OPS. We’re not even factoring in Ellis’s vastly superior defense.
I don’t expect Weeks to develop home run power, but I do expect him to hit more than one double in a month.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on May 27, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Understood.
I still favor bringing him up, but if we’re not, I’d rather just suffer the remaining days of Ellis than bring up Sizemore, who doesn’t promise to be any better than Weeks, and may quite possibly be worse.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
That's....only 33 XBH over a full season. In the minors.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on May 27, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Huh?
I meant that he’s only hit 2 XBHs in May.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on May 27, 2011 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, that makes much more sense.
What you posted originally stated that he was hitting XBHs at a rate of two per month.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
Are you kidding
a slightly below 700 OPS would blow any of the IF (besides Suzuki) on this team away at this moment.
by asfansince1989 on May 27, 2011 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Again,
MLEs aren’t a projection of how a minor league player will perform. They’re more of a litmus test to determine whether the player’s present minor league performance is good enough when translated to warrant a callup. In which case, having a translated OPS under .700 means the prospect’s performance is most likely not a cause for promotion.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on May 27, 2011 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Is there an OOS (Oakland's Offense Sucks)-adjusted scale?
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
Or Sizemore could be traded
Perhaps as part of a package
by OaklandSi on May 27, 2011 2:32 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
This HAS to have Weeks involved, somehow
Otherwise why acquire a bunch of AAA infield depth.
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BTW, when I chatted with Cramer on Wednesday he said he was coming off the DL to start today in Reno
So obviously that changes things a little but it means he’s definitely available.
I was selfishly looking forward to him pitching in next Wednesday’s day game in Sacramento. Oh well!
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me too, doc. I still might go though.
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by Gaijin_Suketto on May 27, 2011 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Purcey was on the way out anyways once Bailey came back.
This move was simply to get something for him before he’s inevitably DFA’d anyways (out of options).
Why it had to be a middling second baseman which we already had a bajillion of, I don’t know.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
the second coming of Jack Hanrahanranhan
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by OptimistPrime on May 27, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Hannahmontanahan?
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sigh, that does lend some perspective
I guess Sizemore was just the best they could get. I’d rather have a middling 2B than a shitty 3B.
We'll have to see where he ends up, but woulnd't be surprised if the A's at least try him at 3B
Purcey was pitching well enough that it doesn’t make sense just to dump him for filler. A’s probably like Sizemore.
by AgitationStation on May 27, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
It doesn't matter how well he was pitching.
He was gone in a couple days period.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on May 27, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
No way.
Breslow was far too awesome last year to give up on him. Cramer, on the other hand, would have been an option, but I guess the A’s don’t think Purcey can start, even in a pinch.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
How can you keep Cramer up when Bailey comes back without sending down Outman or Moscoso?
by Glorious Mundy on May 27, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
My mistake, again.
I thought Bailey had been on the 60-day DL.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
Cramer may well just be up here temporarily until Bailey is activated
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Yeah, I agree
I think what’s going on is this: Beane wanted a major league ready back-up to Ellis in case he had a chance to move him or in case Ellis doesn’t start to hit in the next couple of weeks - and Weeks won’t be ready til mid-season. On the other hand, Purcey was going to be DFA’d the moment Bailey returned. So Cramer is up until after the next Outman-Moscoso tandem most likely, and if they do well, he’ll be replaced by Bailey. If one of them doesn’t, then Cramer takes his place and he goes down to AAA.
This means they don’t have to rush Weeks in case they move or DFA Ellis.
Breslow
Somehow I don’t think Beane and company are the types to become super attached to middle relievers coming off career years. It’s a pretty transient group of players and even though Breslow has been pretty consistent throughout his career, I’m doubtful that the A’s have long term plans for him.
Yep, Breslow
Purcey has better stuff and Breslow is arby eligible next year. I guess it’d be pretty tough to let Breslow go for someone without a track record though. Eh.
by AgitationStation on May 27, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Purcey has more upside but we're talking about relievers here so it hardly matters that much.
Breslow has a much much better track record. More importantly, he’s a lefty who’s shown an ability to get righties out, which is valuable for a team in which the other lefty in the bullpen is already a LOOGY.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on May 27, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I just had to e-mail Cramer and congratulate him, but I told him to get used to rotting in the 'pen again
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Seems most prefer sitting in the pen in the majors
To starting in the minors
by OaklandSi on May 27, 2011 2:24 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
So does his bank account :D
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by Gaijin_Suketto on May 27, 2011 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
He was actually happier getting routine work in Sacramento
Even if the money’s better on the MLB roster.
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Yes, vastly.
He is now making an annual salary nearly 10 times his minor league salary.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by now, you mean on the a's? or do you mean while on the 40 man roster and playing for the river cats?
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You're still making more on the 25-man roster compared to just being on the 40-man
There’s also being on the 40-man and being on it with MLB experience.
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No problem
I don’t remember just what the percentages are but once someone has been on a 40-man roster he makes more than the others in the minors.
Cramer’s at league minimum whenever he’s up with the A’s but someone like Sean Doolittle, who hasn’t played in the bigs yet but is on the 40-man roster, makes more than the average minor leaguer at the same level. Since Cramer’s been with the A’s and was on the 40-man roster in Sacramento, he’d have been making a little more compared to last season when he wasn’t on it.
It’s nothing huge, but anything extra helps. Someone making the MLB minimum is getting about $2,500 a game, whether before or after taxes, and that’s more than the majority of minor leaguers make in a month.
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Oddly enough, it was in the Cramer interview thread
when this was last answered:
Minimum salaries under current CBA:
- Major-league service = $400,000 / year
- Minor-league service if you’ve ever been in the majors (ie, were on 25-man and then removed) = $65,000 / year
- Minor-league service if you’re on 40-man but not 25-man = $32,500 / year
If you’ve never been on the 40-man then you’re not covered by the CBA and you don’t get squat.
(Salaries are for a full year, paid prorated by day over the full season.)
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There ya go
I think MLB minimum was bumped up to about $415k from what I saw, by the way.
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Ah, I missed that.
I checked the CBA again, and I see it had an allowance for a cost-of-living adjustment in 2011, so that must be it. The minor-league minimum salaries are also COL-adjusted in 2011.
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Also, if I'm reading that right, you could be DFA'd and end up off the 40-man...
…but if you’ve got MLB service time you get that $65,000 base.
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That is correct.
Once you’ve had at least one day of major-league service time, your minimum salary for minor-league service becomes $65K (+ COLA).
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Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
That's a nice little bump compared to people who maybe make $2,000 a month during the season
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It's a reason for guys to like the Rule 5 draft, too.
You get a bump from being put on the 40-man. If your team feels like they have to protect you, they’ll put you on the 40-man. If they don’t, then you hope to get claimed because the claiming team then puts you on the 25-man, which is even better.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
And I don't mean he'd rather pitch in Sacramento than not pitch in the majors
Just that he basically feels more a part of a team when he’s out there getting into games.
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nice move by Beane
anytime you can trade a middle reliever for a pretty decent middle infield prospect
Exactly
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by stranahanahan on May 27, 2011 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
An out-of-options middle reliever, no less
by Glorious Mundy on May 27, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Who was traded for lord Farquhar.
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and farquhar was half of what we got for rajai davis (trystan magnuson being the other half)
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Since moves are being made..
expect us to sign Jose Bautista. It was in my dream last night so it must be true.
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by MissOakland on May 27, 2011 2:32 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Let's hire some ninjas to infiltrate Toronto's front office and tear up his current contract.
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by lenscrafters on May 27, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
As a group
I feel like we can get that done
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by MissOakland on May 27, 2011 2:41 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I live near Toronto
and my 5 year old says that he is a Ninja.
I think that we can make it happen.
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by Athletics fan and runner on May 28, 2011 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions
[gets hopes up, cries for rest of season]
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Heh.
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If I'm being honest.............
It was just a bunch of reports on us signing him. There was Fangraphs in my dream. I’m almost ashamed of myself.
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I thought you'd enjoy that.
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The guy's HR/FB rate is 5%
And 43% of BIP are flyballs right now. I don’t expect him to keep this up.
Not that he isn’t better than expected, but considering he’s playing in a hitter’s park, those numbers will stay low for only so long…
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by stranahanahan on May 27, 2011 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I hit a static spot while Townsend was announcing this trade
I thought the A’s got Grady Sizemore and I was wondering why he kept talking about the Posey hit/rule change instead. oh well
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If Beane managed to get G. Sizemore for Purcey, we probably shouldn't ever question him again.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on May 27, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
heh
This
"Minutes from the last save opportunity...Balfour got 3 outs..."- Nico
by stranahanahan on May 27, 2011 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I couldn't even hear who the A's traded away
I was wondering and worrying who it took to get Grady, he is damaged goods but was a great player. I was having daymares of Bean trading one of the “big three”.
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I doubt this move has much to do with it
But every day that passes, I become more and more convinced that Cardenas’s days in the infield are possibly done. He must be awful there.
if scott sizemore is playing anywhere in our infield full time next year, we will be awful.
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he's not, which is what's weird.
it’s just that he’s blocked at second.
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He has been playing LF a bit for Sacto lately...
"Minutes from the last save opportunity...Balfour got 3 outs..."- Nico
by stranahanahan on May 27, 2011 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
A's Assistant GM David Forst pretty much admitted as much when chatting with KK and Cotreone
I wonder if he is a passable corner outfielder…..
Keith Law likes it
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“I’d much rather have Scott Sizemore than David Purcey.”
Please fire Bob Geren
by I am Al's Smirking Revenge on May 27, 2011 2:50 PM PDT reply actions
Yeah I'm not always in love with his analysis either.
Please fire Bob Geren
by I am Al's Smirking Revenge on May 27, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I would absolutely agree
I see some people making the argument that Purcey has upside whereas Sizemore doesn’t.
That argument is flawed in that both were well regarded prospects who haven’t panned out yet, but Purcey is still 3 years older than Sizemore. Why would Purcey figure it out at 29 where Sizemore wouldn’t at 26?
"Minutes from the last save opportunity...Balfour got 3 outs..."- Nico
by stranahanahan on May 27, 2011 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
We traded a place of need (pitching) for a place of depth (bad hitting borderline majors second basemen)
Even a blind squirrel is right twice a day.
Unless you were going to make Purcey a starter he wasn't going to solve our pitching needs
We had one too many guys for the bullpen, and unless you wanted to send down someone better than Purcey (e.g. Devine), someone had to get dealt.
by Glorious Mundy on May 27, 2011 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
the internets reaction is generally that we won the trade
but also that its not a very important deal either way.
this was originally a fanpost that was promoted. i think bbg deleted the other one that was incorrectly administered.
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Pop Dillon and Kid Elberfeld...
… now that was a strong young crop of talent.
by A's fan in Raleigh on May 27, 2011 3:36 PM PDT reply actions
Did Billy really want Grady?
Billy you need Grady not Scott Sizemore. How is his 4 RBI’s, .222 average gonna work as our cleanup hitter. Oh well his is higher than most of the bums you have acquired on offense.
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by Morada Mudshark on May 27, 2011 3:38 PM PDT reply actions
Grady's murdering pitching and is on the best team in baseball.
No way no how he gets traded. They need him because the next option is Travis Buck (ew).
Or you could see
That Sizemore only has 237 PA in the MLB. Look at his minor league numbers—
2009: 24 years old, 599 PA, AA/AAA, .889 OPS
2010: 25 years old, 342 PA, AAA, .850 OPS
And he’s raked in AAA so far this year, though he only has 92 PA there. The most important number might be his age—he’s 26 years old, so he still has time to put it together in the MLB. Plus, if you want Grady Sizemore, you would probably have to give up one of the Big Three. Scott, while obviously not nearly as valuable as Grady, only took Purcey. It’s all about perspective here.
*Insert something witty here*. Oh, and Stanfurd Sucks.
First, his age is a negative, not a positive.
Second, i think you took his post a little too seriously.
"Caring about stuff binds us to the other people that care about stuff, and that creates the communities that makes life worth living."
His age is certainly not a negative
The fact that he is only 26 and has good minor league numbers suggests that he has decent upside, and that he still has yet to reach his peak. Sure, he was a bit old for AA and AAA but what do you expect in return for Purcey? This is about as good of a return for Purcey as we could reasonably expect, and we are gaining depth at a weak position in dealing from a position of strength. And I didn’t take his post too seriously, I was just stating that this is a minor deal—if he wants a huge piece (like Grady Sizemore) we’d have to give up a lot more than many of us would be willing to part with.
*Insert something witty here*. Oh, and Stanfurd Sucks.
if the only time you can make the majors is your peak, that's not good.
"Caring about stuff binds us to the other people that care about stuff, and that creates the communities that makes life worth living."
by thewhizkid on May 27, 2011 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Nelson Cruz says hi.
Why is that not good? If he can get it together and we have him during his peak years, why exactly is that a negative?
*Insert something witty here*. Oh, and Stanfurd Sucks.
The older you are, the less likely it is you are going to break out.
Adoptive father of Jose Casilla.
Not sure if this portends another move
Seems like a good value add by Beane. I don’t think there’s any more to this than Beane realizing he needed to deal Purcey and finding the best player he could for him, someone who was a sleeper ROY pick a little over a year ago. Now, if only he could play 3B…
I don't portend to know what any of this means!
I got nothin'
by OptimistPrime on May 27, 2011 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Confession time...
I half read the announcement on Facebook and started to get really excited…
WE GOT SIZEMORE?!? WE GOT GRADY-FUCKING-SIZEMORE!!!!!!!!… oh, wait, different Sizemore. Meh.
Talk about a let down.
I'm beginning to believe that Bud Selig wants to die of old age before he has to make a decision regarding Oakland vs San Jose.
Ok, my turn
I thought it was Butch Sizemore, who was a hell of a retail grocer, served in the Army Reserve and had a sister with the last name of “Crisp”
I got nothin'
by OptimistPrime on May 27, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I got a raging Sizemore boner initially, too, when I halfway read it
But then immediately thought, there is no way they got Grady Sizemore. When I read Scott Sizemore for David Purcey I just thought, eh. Whatevs.
Often wrong but never in doubt
"The whole thing was a piece of theatre. Billy had told Art how and where to stand during a game so that the players would... take strength from his countenance, because when Art sat on the bench... he looked like a prisoner of war."
-Moneyball
I was thinking LaRoche was going to be dropped
Although that requires Sizemore to be passable at 3B and SS.
Wait, I've worked it out.
The Rivercats are pushing for another AAA Championship.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
dynasty.
"Caring about stuff binds us to the other people that care about stuff, and that creates the communities that makes life worth living."
I'm sure many went to Bless you Boys blog
to read about their take on Sizemore. …’can’t get over the offensive hump.." perfect.
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I got nothin'
by OptimistPrime on May 27, 2011 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
On guard!
Defend yourself!
Movin’ in on you
Turn me loose
We shall overcome
Where’d you get that funk from, huh?
I still said they’re spoiling the fun
Shoot them with my bop gun
Hey, babe
Turn me loose, huh
Watch me get over the hump, ha!
Hey, babe
by LoneStranger on May 27, 2011 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Slusser:
The A’s were going to need a roster spot for Bailey in the next week or so, and Purcey is out of options. The guys with options: Joey Devine and Brad Ziegler. So Purcey was the odd man out, and it appears to me as if the A’s, knowing they probably wouldn’t be able to sneak him through waivers, got a good return for him rather than just getting nothing if he were claimed next week.
how closely are we talking here?
It’s actually Rusty Simmons handling the daily coverage today at the Coliseum
i thought rusty posted using her account. i misread that.
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Surprising (and big win for the A's)
Sizemore may be 26, but it’s way too early to label him a bust. He has done very well against AAA pitching. He’s only played 55 games in the majors, so while he has been bad so far, there’s plenty of hope that he’ll still pan out. His career line in AAA is .315/.392/.487 in 170 games. And that’s in the International League, which is far, far tougher on hitters than the PCL. If faced with a choice, I would rather he play 2nd in the majors than Weeks, hands down.
For what it’s worth, his ZiPS RoS projection is .252/.321/.378.
And what did we give up? A 29 year old reliever with a career walk rate of 4.5 per 9. In other words, filler. This is a very good trade.
Fully agree with what he wrote
Very good trade. Also interesting to note that half of Rajai Davis eventually turned into a tarnished, but legitimate, up the middle prospect. More than I would have thought we could get for him during the offseason.
by thelincolndude on May 27, 2011 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Ken Rosenthal says the A's are moving Sizemore to 3rd
The A’s, after acquiring Sizemore from the Tigers on Friday for left-handed reliever David Purcey, plan to move the infielder from second to third at Triple A.
There's a "blockquote" button to click - it looks like a huge quotation mark
And kind of like Schroeder rolling his eyes when Lucy flirts with him.
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by Nico on May 27, 2011 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like this move.
Nobody is really blocking him at Sac.
by Pop N' Locktapus on May 27, 2011 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the A's may try to convert Landon Powell to 3B
if it helps them get rid of Kouzmanoff.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
Geren told him.
It’s all part of his new communication program. He is trying it out on the media first( remember that he talked to press about Balfour’s move to closer).
Sizemore will fine out from some other source.
Carl Steward tweeted that out too
@stewardsfolly
Carl Steward
#Athletics Beane thinks Sizemore hits well enough to potentially be an everyday third baseman, which is where he’ll play in AAA Sacto.
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by cuppingmaster on May 28, 2011 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I guess he hits well enough to be an everyday 3B on the A's.....but so do most MLers.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Hey guys, spare a thought and a prayer if you are that way inclined, for Gary Carter, who may not live out the year.
My fave uncle ever had something similar happen to him, I had Thanksgiving with him and my aunt and everything was fine, he got the news Dec 9, passed away in March. Looks like Carter has a similar thing ahead of him. Sad as hell.
I don't understand the trade from the Tigers perspective...
They seem really down on Rhymes and Purcey is a dime a dozen mediocre lefty reliever….they must really not like Sizemore…Or maybe they just love ramon Santiago…
Kiper+Fosse=Mute
by CorpseOfChavez on May 27, 2011 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm sorry about the loss of your uncle, PL78, and I hope Gary Carter finds some measure of peace and comfort in the time ahead
There is an evening coming in/Across the fields, one never seen before,/That lights no lamps. -- Philip Larkin, from "Going"
by Ray of Lite on May 27, 2011 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I've always liked Sizemore
and am baffled why the Tigers were always so reluctant to give him a chance. Seems like he’s always hit in the minors, so why not stick him at third and see if he fits? Pretty good return for Purcey.
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
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Because Inge has 10/5 rights kick in mid-June so he will
have to approve any trade and he’s made it clear that he wants to retire a Tiger. Plus,
he’s a very good defensive 3B already so Sizemore’s not really going to challenge for
that position.
The worst person to run from is yourself.
He's primarily a second baseman.
"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"
http://www.domingobeisbol.com/
Hopefully he's better than the AAAA crap we picked up from the Tigers last year.
Yes, I’m looking at you Larish.
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Not the most exciting of moves; maybe Sizemore will be a utility guy and give days off to LaRoche and Ellis?
S. Sizemore seems like the prototypical AAAA player I've seen mentioned many times before
A guy who can succeed in AAA, but can’t quite figure it out in the majors. I’m pretty damn tired of having those guys on the roster.
Then again, Sizemore has beastly numbers in AAA, I would think he’s worth at least a little bit of a longer look in the majors. Especially with the way the team has been hitting.
Often wrong but never in doubt
"The whole thing was a piece of theatre. Billy had told Art how and where to stand during a game so that the players would... take strength from his countenance, because when Art sat on the bench... he looked like a prisoner of war."
-Moneyball
Need more than a 65 game trial before we say someone can't quite figure out the majors
by thelincolndude on May 28, 2011 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe you're right
I would certainly like to see someone do better than .222, but 65 games isn’t a big sample size. It seems significant enough to make some sort of judgement, though.
At this point though, there is nothing else Sizemore can prove in the minors. So why even send him there to begin with? Why not just let him replace Kouz for the forseeable future? Even though he doesn’t have much 3rd base experience, he can’t possibly be worse there than Kouz has been this season.
Often wrong but never in doubt
"The whole thing was a piece of theatre. Billy had told Art how and where to stand during a game so that the players would... take strength from his countenance, because when Art sat on the bench... he looked like a prisoner of war."
-Moneyball
It's a good thought.
I think the reason is that Kouz makes too much money for the A’s to move him, unless they’re willing to take a player who is similarly overpaid. I think they’re hoping Kouz gets on a hot streak so they can convince someone to take him. Perhaps Beane has Kenny Williams in his sights again, and can pull off a Kouz for Edwin Jackson based deal (with parts around the edges to make it fairer). The Sox aren’t happy with what they have at third, and have six starters. Jackson is not getting results, and Kenny may not care about his attractive K-rate.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
Now that I look at it more closely
Kouz and someone pretty good would be the only way to make it work.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
I've actually heard
quite a bit of the opposite about Sizemore. Despite his struggles at the big league level (relatively small sample so far), a lot of scouts think he will hit in the majors and feel he is not a AAAA player. I’m on the run right now, but remember reading this a couple times yesterday as I was digging up any and all info on him.
So he's Jack Cust who can play 3B?
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
I think what you meant to say was
So he’s Jack Cust who can actually play in the field
Often wrong but never in doubt
"The whole thing was a piece of theatre. Billy had told Art how and where to stand during a game so that the players would... take strength from his countenance, because when Art sat on the bench... he looked like a prisoner of war."
-Moneyball
Over at Bless You Boys (the Detroit SBN blog)
there was a “Free Scott Sizemore!” contingent. Good to hear.
So cramer is holding a spot for Bailey?
and will likely be sent back down in a few days when Bailey is activated? Purcey was out of options, right? This gives them a little more flexibility, and another back-up infielder option should Kouz actually (please) go on the DL. LaRoche seems to be filling in fine for now and I imagine his D at 3rd is better than Sizemore’s, but that’s just me speculating
.
Depends on your definition of "fine."
I haven’t spent much time looking at the A’s offensive numbers this year, but good God, what an incredible vortex of suck:
Starting 1B: 65 OPS+
Starting 2B: 44 OPS+
Starting SS: 79 OPS+
Starting 3B: 58 OPS+
Backup extraordinaire LaRoche isn’t any better, checking in at 69.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
I can't stop staring at this, actually.
Cliff Pennington is our best offensive infielder by a fairly wide margin? Ouch.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
The Detroit GM is in the booth for the Red Sox game.
He said there was no point sending Sizemore back down to AAA ‘cos he hit .400 there for over a month. They just couldn’t “get him over the hump” and so they moved him for ’pen help.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
This seems like a winning trade but at the same time, what happens if you have a nother starter go down?
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by designatedforassignment on May 29, 2011 8:58 PM PDT reply actions
Then we cry.
A lot.
Seriously though, Cramer is back. I thought Purcey was proven to be a crappy starter and a solid reliever.
Im still expecting Anderson to get hurt.
You don't need a religion, you have the A's. - My girlfriend
by designatedforassignment on May 30, 2011 1:35 AM PDT up reply actions
The team has helped him dial down his FB to avoid arm strain
Please don’t jinx us with BA49 predictions!
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