Possible Fill-Ins for Tyson Ross AND BRANDON MCCARTHY !#@%!@#$!@#$
by Billy Frijoles on May 19, 2011 6:10 PM PDT
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PrintUPDATES IN BOLD CAPS: So Tyson goes down with the oblique injury AND MCCARTHY GOES DOWN TOO, SCAPULA. Whenever I think of oblique I think of opaque, mainly for the oque but also because we have little info on how long it could last. I remember Kurt Suzuki being out for a while with one of these.
MCCARTHY COULD BE OUT MUCH LONGER GIVEN HIS INJURY HISTORY
Anyway, I wanted to throw out some candidates to come up in place of Tyson AND BRANDON, hopefully just temporarily BUT CLEARLY WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE:
via imgs.sfgate.com
The year before his injury, he pitched decently with the big club.
2009: 4-1, 3.48 ERA, 4.37 FIP, 7.08 K/9
He has started off extremely poorly in AAA, but lately has been better:
2011 AAA overall: 8 games, 37 IP, 4-1, 4.78 ERA.
Last 2 starts: 2-0, 1.38 ERA, 13 IP, 9K, 8BB.
Good candidate, except for the walks (which is somewhat typical coming off surgery)
Again, decent at the majors:
2010: 2-1 (4 Games), 3.04 ERA, 5.49 FIP (wow), 4.94 K/9
But, via sfgate:
But Bobby Cramer is on Triple-A Sacramento's disabled list with -- yes, an oblique strain.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/athletics/detail?entry_id=89344#ixzz1MqgBm2SF
So Cramer might be an option later, not now.
2011 AAA: 8 games, 3-2, 4.02 ERA, 2.36 FIP, 9.6 K/9
The plus for this guy is he's already on the 40-man roster, so no corresponding roster move necessary.
Found this tiny blurb on Scout.com: Moscoso is known for a plus low-90s fastball with plenty of late movement, however the inconsistencies of his breaking ball and changeup have held him back.
Graham Godfrey
Came over in the Scutaro trade:
"It's no secret we need an injection of talent in the minor leagues," Forst said. "We have good scouting reports on both of them. They throw up to 93-94 and could compete for jobs in Double-A." (when the trade happened)
AAA line this year.
4-0 in 5 games, 2.43 ERA, 2.32 FIP, 8.49 K/9
Armando Gallaraga/OTHER FREE AGENTS?
Perfect game aside, his FIP is over 5. But he has MLB experience, recently DFA'd by the DBacks, and could be revived in the Coliseum, haven to journeymen pitchers.
Now that we have to get 19 starters we may be looking at Jeff Suppan in this role. Hey, the Yankees got Bartolo Colon to be useful, maybe we can get something out of nothing?
TRAVIS BANWART
via media.scout.com
Here's Banwart's AAA stats in 2011 (he spent part of last year at AAA as well):
6 Starts, 1-2, 2.93 ERA, 4.18 FIP, 6.98 K/9
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I suppose Outman is probably the choice ...
DL Ross, send down Mag and call up Outman and Devine? I’m going to choose to believe Ross’ injury is minor and he’ll be back in 3 weeks … please?
I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.
Magnuson is already on his way back to Sacramento so they can bring up another bullpen arm, that much has been mentioned already
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Gotta be Devine right?
I can’t imagine them bringing Blevins back up after his struggles.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on May 19, 2011 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions
if its not devine someone's gittin capped
Put a bird on it
by Future Ed on May 19, 2011 10:03 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Banwart?
"Caring about stuff binds us to the other people that care about stuff, and that creates the communities that makes life worth living."
No on Outman.
That’s an atrocious walk rate. If he’s walking guys in the minors at that rate, he’ll be a disaster up here. He’s probably the worst option right now. Give him more time.
I’ll go with either Moscoso or Godfrey, depending on how well Godfrey pitches today in his first start back from injury.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
You can still see all of Outman's starts so far here (it normally lists the last 10 but he's only had 8)
http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=489189
His end results have been getting better but you’ve got to figure if he walks that many at the MLB level he’s going to pay for it.
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Didn't realize he was walking so many - thanks for the reality check.
I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.
yes, last 2 starts, even though pitched pretty well, walked 5 and 3
MLB hitters that aren’t on the A’s will make you pay for that…
I do think his improvement is real, though. But he wasn’t that awesome even when he was good in 2009, so I’m kind of meh. I’d like to give him more time.
by Billy Frijoles on May 19, 2011 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree and I think the A's will too
I’d predict Moscoso.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
All of this
Moscoso maybe gets the edge so you don’t have to make a 40-man move right now (though I suppose the move is Braden to the 60-day)
"Once you go Bed....everything else is dead." - Bed
"So you're saying we should skin the Rangers and wear them as uniforms? I’m down." - Kyli
by cuppingmaster on May 20, 2011 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions
But if it's a marginal decision anyway,
there is value in holding the Braden-to-60-day card for the next roster crunch that comes along.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
which is soon, when Bailey is ready and Devine is called up
"Once you go Bed....everything else is dead." - Bed
"So you're saying we should skin the Rangers and wear them as uniforms? I’m down." - Kyli
by cuppingmaster on May 20, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
My guess is Moscoso if Ross is out a shorter time and Godfrey is he's out a longer time.
Moscoso is easier to bring up in terms of roster manipulation and has MLB experience, but I could see Godfrey as well, as he will be in line for the rotation spot rest-wise, and I think he has more potential than Moscoso this year. I’m not sure why I think that though.
Yep
And it wouldn’t take much to put Godrey on the 40-Man roster. Just put Braden on the 60-Day DL.
by Colorado Fan on May 19, 2011 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I would give Purcey a chance
He has the best pedigree of any available option, the most upside, and the most experience.
I can't help but think of Brad Halsey
or the other lefty we had recently … what was his name? Chunky dude – had some decent starts but mostly meh. Why can’t I think of his name?!
I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.
Joe Kennedy (RIP)?
Yeah, he reminds me of him too.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on May 19, 2011 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually, I'd forgotten about Kennedy, but that's not who I'm thinking of
I think we got the guy I’m thinking of in the Haren trade (?) Why am I thinking his last name began with an E? I’m totally lost.
I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.
Eveland. Man, that was gonna keep me up all night.
I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.
Watching him pitch will keep you up longer.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on May 19, 2011 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Note
River Cats
Sacramento starter Graham Godfrey pitches 3.2 innings in his first game back since coming off the DL. JoeBateman takes his place on the hill
He could need some stretching out further too.
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Was he reinjured or did he just hit his pitch count?
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on May 19, 2011 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Probably had a pitch count
He threw 74 and that’s not exactly economical in 3.2 IP.
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This is beginning to look more like Moscoso or bust
"Once you go Bed....everything else is dead." - Bed
"So you're saying we should skin the Rangers and wear them as uniforms? I’m down." - Kyli
by cuppingmaster on May 20, 2011 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Went with Graham
just so I could say I voted for my man Godfrey.
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Cramer or Godfrey
Godfrey if he’s healthy. He’s the hot hand. Cramer would be fine. He throws strikes. In the Coli, in front of this defense, you don’t need to do too much more to be serviceable. Don’t expect he’d be a world beater, but he’d give close to league average starts.
Outman hasn’t pitched a good game yet this year. Not one.
by AgitationStation on May 19, 2011 8:24 PM PDT reply actions
Moscoso would be fine too
Sucked last year, but maybe he was banged up or something. He’s pitched well at every other spot, and he’s been great at Sacto.
by AgitationStation on May 19, 2011 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions
it was not good
the results were good. 3ks and 3bbs in 7 innings, and he gave up a home run. that’s bad.
by AgitationStation on May 19, 2011 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh no, a home run!
He was just fine in that game. It was definitely his best overall.
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Actually Flash thats really not a good game
the K:BB ratio isn’t there and giving up HRs is the worst thing you can do as a pitcher
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by designatedforassignment on May 19, 2011 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions
u can live without strikeouts at the Coliseum
but his walks rate is atrocious.
by vk on May 19, 2011 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, that's where he needs to get more consistent
But 2 hits and 3 walks in 7 innings in one game is in no way, shape or form bad.
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Dunno where to find a game log
Did find a box score. There was one DP. He probably faced 25 hitters. One hit a home run, and six were struck out or walked. Out of the remaining 18 balls in play, one fell for a hit. He got lucky. He hasn’t pitched a good game yet.
by AgitationStation on May 20, 2011 2:05 AM PDT up reply actions
I actually watch that game...
He was dominant, always leading the count, and causing hitters to get groundouts. He got the HR at the 6th, with a comfortable lead after a lead off walk, and after that, he retired the next 3 he faced to finished with the W.
He came from 4 straight good outings, with the only thing to point out being his walk rate. The kid doesn’t have much to prove, he was already part of our rotation a couple years ago with great success, so the only thing I want him to improve its his walk rate, and then I’m comfortable calling him up.
I believe anyone with a MILB.com subscription could watch the game in the archives, too
He had a 6-6 GB/FB ratio but here was the actual breakdown for that game:
Fly Outs – 6
Ground Outs – 6
Pop Outs – 3
Strikeouts – 3
Line Outs – 2
Caught Stealing – 1
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Actually, maybe not a CS
Sounds like the ball might have got away from Recker on the out at the end of the 3rd:
Caleb Gindl walks.
Chris Nowak out at 3rd, catcher Anthony Recker to third baseman Wes Timmons.
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Minor league results from injured players don't always correlate with getting recalled.
As we are seeing with Devine….they are still figuring out whats working and what isnt. So maybe Outman tested his high fb out on a player who mashes high fbs and he got hit…he wont do that again, no big deal. Sometimes things start working (ie Cahill’s curve) at random times.
That's true
I don’t lay much value on them being hit hard, as sometimes they are limited to one pitch only. But control problems are always an issue.
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If Cramer, Outman and Godfrey are still dealing with injuries/getting stretched out....
Im thinking we go with a wild card trade or signing of someone like Galarraga. Its going to blow up our 25 man roster though. Things are getting really ugly here….
Sigh
Well, I would guess Moscoso (assuming Cramer has oblique problems too). But I don’t know much about him, am just going by process of elimination – no Outman for now, and Godfrey seems like another guy who needs to be stretched out.
A couple of things…
— You never have enough starters. There was a brief discussion over the A’s “deep” staff, but you don’t have a deep staff if you’re one injury away from bringing in AAA guys who should stay in Sacramento or pitchers being dumped by the Diamondbacks.
— The pending return of two top relievers should change the dynamic a bit. If they’re back, then we are talking about needing a fifth starter for five innings (Wuertz or Ziggy can pitch the sixth, et cetera). Of course, the A’s will have to actually start scoring runs, which may be a problem.
When I read your title
I though you would be writing about titanium screws, bionic paste and Kevlar sheets
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I would go with Purcey
If the injury looks like 2 to 3 weeks I would take him. He will be needed Tuesday and Sunday than he can be skipped a turn. So if Tyson could be back on June 7 we will need only two starts from the backup. Also that keeps a spot open on the roster for Bailey if he is ready next week.
Outman should work on his control until he gets it going. Moscoso would be my second choice with Cramer injured. Godfrey and Banwart are not on the 40-men, so I would not like to burn a spot for a couple solid starts in AAA. If they continue to impress then I wuld consider them if we again need rotation help.
Moscoso is throwing pretty good right now
He’s missing bats better than Outman. I’d give him a look first and if he doesn’t work out Outman would probably be next.
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Hmm... Outman's stats are skewed from some atrocious early outings.
I still think he needs at least a few more starts in AAA before he’s ready, but you gotta do what you gotta do.
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by Gaijin_Suketto on May 20, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Consensus here....
Seems to be Moscoso for the next start, five innings, then bring in Purcey for three or four to stretch him out. The A’s do need a long man/spot starter, and they don’t have one.
I'm thinking Moscoso is the guy right now, yep
Or another Purcey + ’pen game on Tuesday.
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Let's not do another 'pen game
"Once you go Bed....everything else is dead." - Bed
"So you're saying we should skin the Rangers and wear them as uniforms? I’m down." - Kyli
by cuppingmaster on May 20, 2011 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Moscoso can log more than 5 innings
If he does a good work, he can go 6 or 7 innings. He hasn’t been limited below 100 pitches in Sacto, and you need to consider that no PCL park is the pitchers paradise the Coli is.
Just posted, as an edit to the front page post, what I think is a slightly better idea
Check it out…
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Why is everybody willing to bring up Godfrey?
And ignoring a most promising prospect like Banwart? He has posted an under 3.00 ERA and under 1 WHIP at the hitters paradise, PCL!! Not to mention he did a decent job at the AFL this offseason.
Good point, a lot of people have mentioned Banwart here.
I had a line for him in the post and then I took him out, mostly because I don’t think he is even under consideration. He has been pitching well though, and deserves some respect.
Vote for “other” if you like Banwart!
I think, though, that the organization is much higher on both Moscoso and Godfrey than Banwart, at this juncture. So that’s why I left him out.
by Billy Frijoles on May 20, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
this is easier than people make it out to be
clearly the solution is Outman because he will look the best with stirrups and a gold jersey
When we played softball, I’d steal second base, feel guilty and go back.
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by rhymeswithelephant on May 20, 2011 11:05 AM PDT reply actions
True.
But Guillermo Moscoso is so fun to say!
by Billy Frijoles on May 20, 2011 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
he sounds like the next zorro
When we played softball, I’d steal second base, feel guilty and go back.
- Woody Allen
by rhymeswithelephant on May 20, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow...he already has a nickname.
This is a really tough call.
“Outman” is really an awesome name for a pitcher as well.
by Billy Frijoles on May 20, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
My name is Guillermo Moscoso.
You homered off my father. Prepare to strike out.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
by iglew on May 20, 2011 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
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"Once you go Bed....everything else is dead." - Bed
"So you're saying we should skin the Rangers and wear them as uniforms? I’m down." - Kyli
Update
There is not
"Once you go Bed....everything else is dead." - Bed
"So you're saying we should skin the Rangers and wear them as uniforms? I’m down." - Kyli
by cuppingmaster on May 20, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
This Is Really Bad
Man, I wish the hadn’t happened. Braden is out for the season, and both McCarthy and Ross are out for a couple of weeks.
IWould probably like to see Outman and Mocoso take over. Josh is a decent starter (hopefully he can completely bounce back from TJS), and Moscoso looks electric.
Still, the sooner brandon and Tyson return, the better.
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