A's Lose in Lackluster Showing 7-2
by danmerqury on May 10, 2011 8:55 PM PDT
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PrintI'm not sure what's up with Brett Anderson, but he looked nothing like himself tonight. His sterling control was entirely gone (2011: 1.48 BB/9, Tonight: 4 BB in 4.2 IP, including one with the bases loaded), and it showed, as he allowed four runs on six hits. By the end, every ball was hit hard off of him, and he managed to expend 97 pitches in only 4.2 innings. There were times he looked absolutely dominant, to be sure—in the second inning, after he allowed a single and hit a batter, Anderson struck out David Murphy, Mike Napoli, and Craig Gentry in 14 pitches combined. But those moments were few and far between, and in the end, Anderson was stuck with a very deserved loss.
Colby Lewis, on the other hand, had one of the more bizarre lines I've seen in a boxscore in some time: 7.1 IP, 5 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, and...NO strikeouts. And not only that, he had 5 groundouts to 12 flyouts. Normally, a heavy flyball pitcher can't hope to survive by allowing 26 of 27 batters to put the ball in play, but this is the A's offense, where a pitcher can bank on inducing deep flyout after deep flyout without incident. Cliff Pennington did hit manage to hit a solo homer to RF, but it was only one of the measly two runs that the A's managed to plate.
There's really not much else to say. It was just one of those "go get 'em tomorrow" losses. As good as the rotation is, we can't expect perfection day in, day out. They're allowed a day off.
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Oakland Athletics Wednesday, May 11, 2011, 11:05 AM PDT Partly cloudy,rain. Winds blowing in from right field at 10-20 m.p.h. Game time temperature around 80. |
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That he's a moran?
Agreed.
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Well certainly not yours.
And most definitely not his.
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Had yesterday's weather been present today,
Colby Lewis might have given up 5 HRs. It can’t be great for your arm to throw over 100 pitches on two sides of a 59-minute rain delay. I just hope Anderson’s arm is ok. He seems to top out at 90MPH these days.
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He averaged 91.
Which is close to his season average. So it’s not like something bad has happened recently.
Tonight he did?
I wonder if the CSN gun was low. Or if I was drunk. Or both.
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Huh. I missed that there were 5 of those.
Or maybe the TV gun was slow, I don’t know.
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I mean Glen and Ray are awfully slow, so...yeah.
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CSN had a bunch of them at 88-89 and topping out at 91
Maybe their gun was slow
Bring back Hammer.
by OaktownPower on May 10, 2011 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup, that's exactly what I saw.
Though I will say, eyeballing it his fastball looked ok, better than when we saw him in Oakland.
My take on tonight is that he doesn’t do well in that heat, on that mound — just something he’ll have to get through. I was more alarmed his other start when he threw so many big curves and so few fastballs and had no life on anything. Tonight, I think he just “pitched kinda badly.”
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So
do you think his four-seamer regularly hitting 97 two years ago was a fluke?
Anderson's four-seam fastball average 92.6 two years ago
It’s averaging 91.6 this year. Velocity drop seems more dramatic because he’s throwing less four-seams than ever before while going with about 50% sliders/slurves and over 25% two-seams. This change in repertoire correlates with a decrease in strikeout rate and increase in groundball rate, and I don’t think it’s a coincidence.
Brett grew up in Oklahoma
Which has similar weather. So I have trouble believing that he simply doesn’t pitch well in that weather.
by OaklandSi on May 11, 2011 7:43 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
True. He seemed to have trouble gripping the ball.
Maybe Oklahoma balls are easier to grip.
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too easy
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There was no wind, until there was rain.
Maybe I’m naive, but wind is often a pitcher’s friend, even if it’s blowing out, because it can exacerbate ball rotations for certain pitches.
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by Gaijin_Suketto on May 11, 2011 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Well the A's definitely have to win tomorrow.
It would not be encouraging at all if the A’s, pitching their top three starters, lose the series to Texas in their current state.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
9 hits in 2 games
Thank God we won Monday.
The offense is hitting way below last year by a mile so far. Has to get better but then we said that three weeks ago but really it does. I am sure it will. Make it soon please.
It's got to a little bit, but offense is down everywhere this year.
As pathetic as the A’s offense has been, it’s not at the bottom of the league either. There are worse.
If you were a Padres or Twins fan this year, you probably would have jumped off a bridge by now.
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by Gaijin_Suketto on May 11, 2011 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Ooh, DeRosa thinks he's Chris Carter.
Just ran his season line to 0 for 21.
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Brett Anderson should rail on the Rangers hitters for "lawyering" their way into walks.
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by Nico on May 10, 2011 9:13 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Good observation
Anderson has lost velocity on his FB, consequently he ‘s doesn’t trust it aymore and now tries to throw it harder and overthrows the pitch. This causes it to miss location, like the FB he elevated to Beltre tonight. 91 mph fb up is why we wanted Beltre initially, he goes Big Fly. He’s trying to be too fine with his slider, which he throws too often now b/c his fastball is off. Plus, Texas sees him alot so they lay off his slider.
What about Barton’s backward K in his last at-bat. My contention is he’s looking at the pitch, instead of looking to take a healthy cut at a 3-2 pitch in the zone. If it’s out of the zone; take it. But if it’s a borderline pitch, swing at it….maybe you foul it off, live to see another pitch, make the pitcher throw another pitch. Penny has had quite a couple of 10 pitch at-bats and I believe he got on at least once, but I know he frustrated the pitcher. I remember Boggs fouling off pitch after pitch from Eck, it was nerve racking because you knew eventually Eck would groove one and Boggs would knock it off the green monster…(obviously not in playoffs)
I just want Barton to be aggressive within the zone, thats all. Next game count how many 86-90mph Fastaballs he misses because he’s not looking to piss on something..jesus penny has 3 bombs..your telling me Barton cant hit a jack every 100at-bats….I wish he was better but as of now he’s not….Cojax time.
Ray Fosse thinks Pete Rose is a prick......
While i don't agree with this in general,
in that particular AB I thought the 3-2 pitch was indeed a strike, and quite a nice one to hit at that. So to see Barton stand and argue it, I was thinking, “How about swinging at it and hitting it quite far?” But often, Barton is right on the pitch being a ball and is right to take it. This time? I don’t think so.
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Hey Nico
Not all hitters pitches are perfect strikes. Oakwin has it nailed. Barton needs to swing at pitches on the black
The truth hurts
Why not swing at strikes on the black, and take balls just off the black, best you can?
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That's pretty much what he does
Though, the called 3rd strike actually was a strike last night.
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Right. That's why I say his strategy is generally a good one,
but not last night.
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That said...it was a curveball that started high and broke down, hitting the very very top of the zone.
Barton gets fooled at times too.
Co-Jax time
Man, is he getting a lot of love for a guy who is OPSing about .750 while being mostly hidden away from good right-handed pitching. I will concede that he doesn’t look hopeless at the plate like last year, and he played good defense so far, but benching Barton to play Jackson every day at first base is way premature.
CoJax time
CoJax time – time for you to go back to the places you will be from.
CoJax time – this room won’t be open ‘til your brothers or you sisters
come.
So gather up your jackets, and move it to the exits – I hope you have found
a
friend.
CoJax time – every new beginning comes from some other beginning’send.
Yeah, I know who I want to take me home.
I know who I want to take me home.
I know who I want to take me home.
Take me home…
Take us home Connor we need offense from first buddy !
But for reals Connor has earned time for Barton to sit and think about his contract or whatever other excuses he wants to offer us for not hitting.
by TheGreatestOfAllTime on May 11, 2011 12:54 AM PDT up reply actions
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Jane Lee
Anderson said he lost grip of the ball in the 4th, which paved the way for disaster.
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"Who can turn a grip...into a gripe...Silent 'e'..."
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Jane Lee
Anderson, who said it felt like he was throwing a wet cue ball: "I’m not making any excuses, I just don’t pitch good against the Rangers."
Well, he’s going to need to figure out how to.
Last of the Ninth - Photography
How to use "well" instead of "good," that is.
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All seriousness aside, the better statement would have been,
“I just haven’t pitched well against the Rangers.”
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He's a 23 year old without a college degree who plays a game for a living.
I don’t think learning correct English is high on his to-do list. Just sayin’.
I think that was more of a complaint about his attitude than his gramar.
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That makes it sound like he expects to do poorly against Texas.
That’s a pretty poor attitude to have, especially against a division rival.
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by lenscrafters on May 10, 2011 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
hmm, a pitcher NOT making excuses?
#throwstrikes
You know what rules?
Going to the homepage of baseball-reference and seeing Cahill as the #2 WAR in MLB behind Joey Bats. That rules. (although its weird to see Denard Span in the AL top 5).
Add this to the pain of the Sharks losing tonight
That Series is looking ugly right now. Hope the A’s station mates can pull it out.
As for the Green ‘n’ Gold – tomorrow is another day – game.
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I mentioned this in the game thread but the more I think about it,
the more it makes sense to me that the A’s continued insistence of the Conor-at-third project is indicative of the A’s willingness to call up someone like Weeks right now.
Obviously, the A’s don’t think highly of Kouz. By all indications, LaRoche has already supplanted him as the starter at third. If Conor proves that he is capable enough defensively to just make occasional starts as a backup at third, then there’s really no point in continuing to carry Kouz on the roster because Andy won’t be the only player on the roster who can play third. You can have LaRoche continue to start at third, with Conor backing him up, and the A’s can DFA Kouz like they’ve been itching to do since they first started pursuing Beltre. This clears the way to bring up Weeks from AAA.
I really do feel bad for Kouz. He seems to be an extremely nice guy, especially with fans. He hasn’t complained at all about his current situation. It must have really sucked for him to see Conor coming into the game today at third and continuing to take groundballs there every day before the game. It’s really not his fault that his pitch selection is so bad.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
What about Rosales?
Even if you don’t DFA Kouz now, who do you dump to add Rosie?
Hey dad, I got this guy's autograph, Rollie
Fingers. Who's he?
You don't have to worry about adding Rosales until July, probably.
When the time comes, I’m sure someone will be injured/not performing so it won’t be an issue.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on May 10, 2011 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Never feel bad for someone who is making $4M to play a game
Or in Kouzmanoff’s case, to not play the game. So he’s benched now, probably will be DFA’d or non-tendered at some point by the A’s. He will probably get another chance or two to start with other teams after that. And he will eventually retire someday financially set well enough to never do something he doesn’t feel like doing for the rest of his life. Terrible!
Isn't it?
It’s really not his fault that his pitch selection is so bad.
I don’t get what Conor taking balls at 3rd has to do with Weeks coming up. So, we drop Kouz (3B) to put Weeks (2B) on the 40-man, so Weeks can start at 2nd? There’s no point unless Ellis is going to become a backup.
I’m with WhizDad: I don’t think Kouz is DFAed until Rosales comes back, which looks like about a month. By that time, Conor would be sufficiently ready to back up. (That said, if he can play there with pretty good defense, no reason to start LaRoche or Rosales over him. This would also solve the outfield logjam.)
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by cuppingmaster on May 11, 2011 7:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Making Ellis a backup may be what they have in mind
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions
That's fine with me
But Ellis seems to have the love of the FO
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by cuppingmaster on May 11, 2011 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I love him too, but he's got about a month to hit as far as i'm concerned
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 7:52 AM PDT up reply actions
This
He looks done at the plate
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by cuppingmaster on May 11, 2011 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions
He looked done at the plate last year aside from having one good month.
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One fantastic month!
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions
yea.
He was basically Neifi Perez until September when he turned into Pujols.
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I tells you what I'd'a done if I was him...
If my last drug test was in July or something… I’d’a PED’s up and trained like a mofo for the salary drive… trying to get the club to pick up my option.
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by Gaijin_Suketto on May 11, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Not really
Ellis was hitting .286/.355/.362 through July 19th, which is hardly toasty. Then he had an awful 6 weeks followed by an amazing September.
hello random cutoff date.
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No, that would be you pretending that we should ignore September because he hit well
He looked done at the plate last year aside from having one good month.
This is a poor way to evaluate a player, and it’s also not true.
“He sucked except for one month”
“Actually, he was pretty good during some other months”
“Cherry picker!”
When the hell did I say we should ignore September?
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More alarming was his ner 50 point drop from his career ISO last year.
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by lenscrafters on May 11, 2011 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Making Ellis a backup is exactly the point.
Even if Ellis “bounces back”, he’s only around a 2 WAR player. That’s fine but it’s not going to drastically affect your chances of making the playoffs.
As have been stated numerous times before, the A’s have a roster of low variability. What you see is basically what you get. Guys like Ellis aren’t going to overperform or produce in a way that’s substantially different from their career line. It’s a roster composed of players that’ll probably get you to 84, 85 wins, technically “contending” but not truly a team that gets you to the promised land. In order to get to the playoffs, the A’s have to gamble on some high variability, or in other words, upside. Weeks could be a source of that.
I don’t see Mark being replaced right now, in early May, but in a month’s time and everything’s still the same? Sure.
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by lenscrafters on May 11, 2011 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
I have to ask, what do people want from their 3rd baseman?
Offense, or defense? The reason I ask, is that according to fangraphs, Conor has yet to field a ball, while Kouz has a UZR/150 of -5.2, and Andy is at -27. I don’t see Conor or Andy as an improvement. I just don’t see a viable in house option at third, so it makes little sense to dump Kouz at this point. Adam Kennedy hit very well the year he was here, but many were sickened by his play at 3rd. Players that are good defensive 3rd basemen, and good power hitters are rare/expensive.
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions
You're trading for name value. His defense has been awful the last 2 seasons.
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True enough but if he's still a 4 WAR player then he's a 4 WAR upgrade on the
alternatives
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions
And that is fine, in my book.
If you look at some of my offseason remarks( not the Brosius ones), you will see that I also believe Wright would be a better choice. I just want people to analyze their own desires, so that they can accept the downside of each player. They also must accept the possible destruction of the farm/rotation in order to achieve a better 3rd baseman.
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Not likely.
@Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
Heard this:While OAK will look for chances to upgrade, their four young starters—Cahill, Gonzalez, Anderson, Ross—basically untouchable.
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byebye Ryan Sweeney
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by cuppingmaster on May 11, 2011 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Does he have much in the way of trade value?
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions
a plus defensive outfielder who is at least league average with the bat
I think he does.
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by cuppingmaster on May 11, 2011 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Which means he might net you a 2 WAR player, no?
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Throw in FDLS and Cardenas and a lower guy and that might get you Wright.
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by cuppingmaster on May 11, 2011 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions
And we don't have to trade Green? OK, Done!
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe but Green is at least healthy
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions
This is true.
From what I’ve seen his ceiling is Young/Jeter.
I’d take that.
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Sure but his floor is Donnie Murphy
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Grant "bleeping" Green?
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by cuppingmaster on May 11, 2011 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I guess he's also good for jazz guitar references
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Every prospect has a floor.
I prefer to dream about what they can reach though.
Obviously in Crosby’s case that isn’t the outside slider, no matter how many times he tried to.
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I mean Green is hardly a sure thing and shouldn't
be an obstacle to getting a guy who could lead us to the promised land
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions
who said he wasn't?
The question with him is his knees
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by cuppingmaster on May 11, 2011 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Me. Right then. Hence the question.
I don’t go on any of these stat sites, so I was asking if he’s back to being a plus defender.
Judging by eye he seems to be more than holding his own in the outfield.
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The numbers say he's either a bad CF or a good LF/RF
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Interesting that Ross is untouchable.
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Considering Braden is probably headed for major surgery
I can’t really fault them for that
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by cuppingmaster on May 11, 2011 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions
But is Ross really that great?
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Until his arm explodes too, he's pretty good.
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He's OK, but "untouchable"?
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions
If he's gone
Then it’s Cahill, Anderson, and Gio, and one of those guys has a tendency to get injured. So, we’d basically be the Angels, but with a worse offense. He has to be, right now.
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by cuppingmaster on May 11, 2011 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions
In any case Green or Choice might be more valuable on the trade market
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions
24, less than a year of service time, holding his own in the bigs while still learning to pitch
I wouldn’t really be jumping at the chance to deal him.
Plus, if he is dealt now — hello Bobby Cramer, 5th starter.
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I think he needs more time to work on his changeup in AAA.
Cramer’s gonna turn into Jamie Moyer… just you watch.
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by Gaijin_Suketto on May 11, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Have you started his fan club yet?
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by cuppingmaster on May 11, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
You have to figure in his 3rd base play as well as his pitching
That’s got to be worth something.
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions
with Beane no one is "untouchable"
but what he’s likely to ask for any of those four pitchers makes it pretty unlikely that any of them would be traded
Pretty much.
Untouchable is a bad word with Beane.
They’re gettable, you’d just have to hand over your stadium.
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He's better than the alternatives at AAA
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by cuppingmaster on May 11, 2011 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I read that as well.
This puts the odds of acquiring a “Wright” level player in a different light.
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I think he might be gettable for Green plus one or both of Cardenas/Fautino
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions
We don't need a 'Wright' player I don't think. Just someone that can field who isn't an offensive black hole.
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If we're an 84 Win team, a 4 Win upgrade could be the difference between
winning and not winning
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Depends on what you're trading.
If, for instance, Tyson Ross is part of that trade, you also have to factor in the drop in value from Ross to Bobby Cramer or whatever other drek is put in the 5th spot in the rotation.
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions
The scrawny rutabagas we call Green, Choice and Carter
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions
What about.....erm.........Weeks. And those other dark horses?
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No bar
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Whiskey for my friends, and...
BEER for my horses!
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Right - but I'm pretty sure Ellis and Kouzmanoff are putting up negative WARs (or whatever that stat is)
at the moment.
Yes we need an upgrade, but we don’t need to go after a borderline superstar, just a good player.
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Pfft. I'm from the 80% red part of the state.
Please don’t lump me in with the blue coast counties
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PECOTA projects both at replacement level on offense
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Ellis is .246/.309/.343
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't know. It's what it has up now
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions
That's bizarre. His last three seasons:
.233/.321/.373
.263/.305/.403
.291/.358/.381
I don’t understand why PECOTA would project him so low. Are the aging curves that steep here? At 34?
ZiPS has .246/.305/.357
It’s not that different
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Ah, okay.
That’s rest of season. Preseason was .258/.322/.374. So I’m guessing that PECOTA line is rest of season as well.
There's also a lower run environment now
than in the years when Ellis compiled his historical numbers
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions
I thought, pre steroids, hitters' production used to drop off the face of a cliff?
Especially middle infielders.
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PECOTA projected every A's player to be far below their respective established levels of performance
…which is looking quite prescient at the moment.
They also projected the pitching staff to be unreasonably good, which is also looking pretty good.
But I think something happened between the book (which had very reasonable projections) and the online release.
Using TAv (which is their new EQA)
Willingham
2010 Proj: .299
2010 Actual: .311
2011 Proj: .288
Barton
2010 Proj: .277
2010 Actual: .298
2011 Proj: .268
Matsui
2010 Proj: .293
2010 Actual: .294
2011 Proj: .278
Ellis
2010 Proj: .264
2010 Actual: .273
2011 Proj: .243
Crisp
2010 Proj: .270
2010 Actual: .296
2011 Proj: .256
Pennington
2010 Proj: .246
2010 Actual: .263
2011 Proj: .244
And some of the silly pitching projections:
Joe Bateman 3.19
Paul Smyth 3.49
Brad Kilby 3.55
Edwar Ramirez 3.68
Ben Sheets 3.71
Gabe DeHoyos 3.84
Cedric Bowers 4.02
Willy Eyre 4.05
Daniel Farquhar 4.09
Fernando Cabrera 4.21
Vinnie Chulk 4.37
But, again, the projections look pretty great thus far.
Kouz and LaRoche are at identicle 0.0War, with Adam +offense and Kouz a +defense
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Oh really? I thought Kouzmanoff was in the negatives.
Either way a minor upgrade over those two would be nice.
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This assumes that Kouz is incapable of attaining his career 2 WAR average.
I don’t see him as continuing at 0.0WAR
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PECOTA does
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions
You're either trying to win in 2011 or you're rebuilding, and I'm not yet ready to trade
Cahill, Anderson and Gio to rebuild. If we’re trying to win now then B or B+ prospects like Carter, Green and Choice shouldn’t be an obstacle to getting someone who might be a 4 WAR upgrade. None of them is Mike Trout or even Trevor Cahill.
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions
CLEARLY BATTERS ARE AFRAID TO HIT THE BALL TO JACKSON BECAUSE HE'S SO GOOD
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That's worse than Cust in LF
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions
he's not that bad
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by cuppingmaster on May 11, 2011 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions
True, and neither is Kouz.
Most of us had pegged Kouz to be around +7-10, and not a -5.
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True
But Kouz has miffed some easy plays. That tells me that something is not right with him.
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by cuppingmaster on May 11, 2011 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Eh.
Everybody miffs easy plays at times. Barton is sucking it up, too. Doesn’t mean anything’s actually wrong.
He's also made plays that I doubt Andy could do.
It all evens out. Andy is better with the bat, and Kouz is better in the field.
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He's nowhere near that bad. Those numbers are way off.
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It's like 10 games worth of data. Literally meaningless.
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This IS my point!
Kouz’ 19 games is too small a sample as well. Yet, we seem to be free to dump him. They are both 0 WAR players, so far.
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LaRoche can't field.
Which do you want? This is the question I originally proposed.
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LaRoche is an adequate fielder
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And that won't cut it here, when his hitting cools off to his career numbers.
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I don't think anyone is suggesting LaRoche is the answer.
He’s just a better answer than Kouzmanoff at this point.
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The stats say he is different, not better
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And, yes, they have by saying to "dump" Kouz and keep Andy.
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as a stopgap to hopefully someone better
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by cuppingmaster on May 11, 2011 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions
This is fine, but where is the actual plan to fill the gap?
There is no one in the system that qualifies for the foreseeable future. This would indicate to stay the course with Kouz/LaRoche until a trade can be made.
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The next real 3B prospect might be Cabrera
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Unless you believe Parker is a 3B
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Erm - I've heard mixed reports on him.
Some say he can stick there, some say not.
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Right
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Is a mediocre two years until he is ready, worth the wait?
Or , should we trade away to win now?
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Win now
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Thank you!
I have no problem with this decision. I do know that some have commented in a way that indicates they haven’t acquired a set goal, just change to change.
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Well if Wright is untouchable I don't really
have a Plan B. They could try for Beltran I guess.
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Heh
Ok, but this doesn’t correct the 3rd base problem. Gosh, some are even suggesting moving Ellis to 3rd! WHY would we want to do that?
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I guess I can see the debate culminating in BB trading Kouz for a AA pitching prospect.
Then, when the pitcher flops, and Kouz makes an AllStar team, we will hear the “Ethier/Cargo/ BB doesn’t know how to run a team” crap all over again.
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Yes, but that's inevitable
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions
It Happens A Lot
And not just to Billy. I think people are harsher on BB because of the Moneyball theory; now they pick apart his every mistake to prove that what Billy is trying to do doesn’t work.
Also the offense is terrible so every
good hitter traded away is painful to watch
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes that's silly
If nothing works then we might have to just wait for Green
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Trade Magnusson to KC for Wilson Betemit?
Unless Jackson actually can play a non-butcherous third base.
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by Gaijin_Suketto on May 11, 2011 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Why would the Royals do that?
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
At This Point
I feel that Kouz will improve, and slowly but surely will take time away from LaRoche.
Yay!
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Man, I HOPE so, as well!
I think many are putting a ton of faith in Rosales coming back as a supersub. I just don’t want to gamble that way
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I don't have high hopes for Rosales being an impact
player to lead us to the division title
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
UZR/150 is basically useless at this point.
Extrapolating small sample, single season UZR is a very poor way to analyze data. I’m not calling you out specifically; I’ve seen lots of members here throw it around carelessly recently. UZR/150 is useful for looking at a player’s career worth of games at a particular position, assuming appropriate sample, and getting a snapshot look at maybe this is how they’ll perform in a full season at that position.
It doesn’t really matter what we think. What matters is what the A’s think. The A’s clearly have voted in favor of LaRoche over Kouzmanoff. The A’s clearly are trying to make Conor at third work. If it does work, then there’s no point in having Kouz on the roster because he’ll be, in the A’s eyes, the worst third baseman out of the three and he can’t play any other position. DFAing Kouz isn’t addressing third base. It’s so they can address second base (Weeks). Third base should be addressed through trade. It’s much easier to find one solution for one position than two solutions for two positions.
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by lenscrafters on May 11, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm thinking June but someone's career will come up short at that time.
Hey dad, I got this guy's autograph, Rollie
Fingers. Who's he?
So, we can try and make Conor Jackson a 3B when he's a mediocre LF/1B
DURING THE GODDAMN SEASON
But we can’t try to move Barton there during an offseason.
Okay.
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But he’s positive by UZR right now: 1.2.
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by cuppingmaster on May 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I guess they just don't want to move Barton.
Though yes he’d be infinitely more valuable if he could move his bat (or rather, his eye) to 3B.
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Not the call-up I was expecting
Jane Lee
#Athletics call up RHP Trystan Magnuson, option Jerry Blevins to Triple-A Sacramento.
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too many lefties
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by cuppingmaster on May 11, 2011 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions
He's been pitching well (19 K, 8 H in 17.1 IP)
Not as good as Devine, perhaps, but he’s had about twice the work so far.
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Um, Free Joey Devine?
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I'm betting this is a temp move until Devine builds up stamina
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by cuppingmaster on May 11, 2011 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Right now stamina is the only thing I can think of for Devine not being up yet
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by Flashfire on May 11, 2011 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why? It's not like he's going to pitch multiple innings.
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To replace Blevins he barely has to pitch at all
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's not what we want, though
We want Devine to be a regular in the bullpen if he’s doing well. That would help the rest of the ’pen overall.
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Yeah
I think that Devine can be a lights-out pitcher at MLB level. Once him and Bailey come back, this will be a better bullpen.
Until He Was Injured
2008 Line: 0.59 ERA, 49Ks in 45.2 IP
by Dwayne Ross on May 11, 2011 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Unless the game is a blow out.
I think even Blevins knew he was being sent down last night. From getting no work to mop up duty?
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but I don't think he's worked consecutive days yet
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by cuppingmaster on May 11, 2011 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Devine hasn't gone in back-to-back games yet
And knowing Geren, chances are he’d be very prone to using Devine that way if he’s pitching better than others. If Devine’s not ready to be used that way yet, that would be your answer.
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Surely that's easily sorted.
Just have the Front Office issue Geren with a ‘hands off’ warning the day after Devine has pitched.
Or just go straight to the source – have the bull pen coach refuse to warm up Devine if he pitched the previous day.
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Devine is the obvious, "duh" move.
Which means that they’re keeping him down on purpose, with the intent of wanting him to work on something.
At least we now get to make bad Viking or Isolde puns
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions
By the way
http://lastoftheninth.com/coppermine/search.php
Search for “Magnuson”
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Jane Lee on the move (and Devine)
who and what is Jane Lee
The Not-So-Casual Fan
Wonder When We'll See Him
Magnuson and Farqhuar were the two “key” young relievers acquired when we traded Rajai.
Lineups
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#Athletics @ #Rangers: Crisp cf, Barton 1B, Jackson RF, Willingham LF, Suzuki C, Matsui DH, LaRoche 3B, Ellis 2B, Pennington SS
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As he should
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by cuppingmaster on May 11, 2011 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions
And I assume we're facing a tough leftie.
Otherwise I feel sorry for Sweeney.
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Is Matt Harrison "tough"?
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions
If he is, we'll just tip our caps to him later.
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions
The way Ellis is on offense at the moment
It’s a wonder he’s not on bench.
His defense is a saving that from happening at the moment.
Yes, and a lack of options
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Hell, put Conor at second.
If he can learn 3rd in the middle of the season, why not 2nd?
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He can't really learn either in the middle of the season
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Sweeney simply hasn't played enough this season
to know whether facing a lefty (Matt Harrison “tough”) would derail his hitting just one day after being one of the few A’s to actually get some hits.
Tough choice though
Playing Sweeney would mean sitting Matsui or Willingham, who are our only power sources.
Who do you sit to get Sweeney more time?
This is why I like the idea of moving CoJack to 3B on occasion, it gets Sweeney in the lineup.
by Oaktown Shutout on May 11, 2011 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm not that crazy about Sweeney vs lefties anyway. I'd sit him too.
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by WaddellCanseco on May 11, 2011 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions
I think Pennington should regularly bat higher in the lineup against righties.
Like 7th… 6th against the weaker ones.
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by Gaijin_Suketto on May 11, 2011 10:04 AM PDT reply actions
What up AN!!! I’m new to the site but been a fan since before I was born.
They’re not allowed a day off when the offense can’t hit for squat. Maybe that’s why anderson struggled because he knows he won’t get much run suppor so he has to be perfect. Is the offense ever going to hit enough that even if any of our pitchers give up 5 or 6 runs they can still pick up a win? Maybe? Is good to dream.
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