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That Was the Weekend That Was: Observations from Series #1

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Gold is always a good 'vestment.

Star-divide

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No one would be so quick to write off King Kong.
And doesn't this picture make a sweet baseball card?

I dunno about you but I thought this was a wild first three games; truly in the grand Sergio Leone tradition of Il Buono, Il Brutto e Il Cattivo where we got to see things that were pretty good, at times monumentally bad, and often fairly ugly on both sides of the ball. There were moments defensively in this series where I said to myself, this is the second year in a row where they made a ton of errors early on... what is it that makes them come north from AZ without their gloves? Easy to blame Geren, but as much as I think he lacks whatever essential qualities as a manager he isn't the one on the field trying to catch the ball.  I know it's a Small Sample Size but Kouzmanoff in particular looked at times like he was playing third base for the first time in his life. I really hope this gets better because extra outs against Toronto, Minnesota and the White Sox are going to spell a disaster to rival Charlie Sheen's Hindenburg 2011 concert tour if it doesn't.

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Unicorn Power and Presence Dep't: Mark Ellis is as professional, steady and likable a player as the A's have ever had. 
Devil his Due Dep't: Ichiro is an electric player...if he'd played here (USA) his whole career he'd be in the conversation for best player ever to put on a uniform.

The game Friday night was a missed opportunity, I felt.  The (at moments, best-place-in-the-world-at-that-exact-time awesome) tailgate, the energy in the (completely packed, no more spots) parking lot, the standing room atmosphere of 36,000+, the chant of "Let's Go Oakland!" by the whole stadium all at once after the Nat'l Anthem ended... if there was ever a night where the A's needed to put on a show to match their status as Hottest Ticket In Town for a night and get some of those thousands to come back for another game, this was it.  The table was as set as the date for alien colonization was on The X-Files.

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That's what you get for messing with The Famous Ralph.

I won't go back and crack open old wounds and recount the grotesquery of the first two games: you know what happened and what didn't happen.  What bothered me most about the second game was it validated my theory from the previous night which I didn't want to believe would prove true on Saturday: that the epically sophomoric performance on Opening Night wouldn't exactly send the casual fans in attendance scurrying to the Coliseum Ticket Booths to purchase more tickets for this entertaining spectacle they saw come faceplanting out onto the field Friday night. The switching of the radio station to FM at the last minute -- even though the new Wolf station does feature the amazing attribute of actual audibility throughout the Bay Area -- and even the shortening of the radio postgame show to just under 12 minutes 37 seconds probably didn't help matters in this regard either.  Someone needs to *cough* find the program director's direct email address *cough* so we can at least get it to 17 minutes.

The Saturday attendance bugged me, at 15,000+ and less than half of the overflow sellout the night previous.  Plus Milton Bradley challenged my roommate to a fight in the middle of the game, never a good idea. If there's one player or even athlete in any sport where you'd say if you heckled him at the right moment in the game and they hit it to him he'd blow the game, it'd be Milton.  Apparently he thought Ralph was heckling him, even though it was someone else further back who was simply chanting Bradley's name over and over BRAD-LEY BRAD-LEY BRAD-LEY.  At this point Bradley is already ready to revisit Ron Artest "Adventures in Section 126" of days gone by a couple of games into April here and will surely either kill or severely injure someone at a game someday, if he doesn't by some miraculous alteration of the fabric of the Universe discover the help he so desperately needs.

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It's OK, Kurt... there were times I wanted to puke too.

As weird and disconcertingly unravelicious as the first couple of games were -- with their defense out of a 1950s Army LSD Training Film and their bullpen management that made it seem like Bob Geren thought he was still in Arizona (you could almost call it a flashback) -- the third game went a ways toward restoring faith in what we thought we had going into the weekend if not the season. The Japanese theme was awesome and necessary to put the spotlight on the needs of the people hurt by the earthquake and its subsequent domino brigade of disasters over there, and Matsui and Ichiro didn't disappoint on the field, figuring prominently in the action.  Ichiro's throw to nail Matsui at third after the latter had gotten his milestone 2,500th hit was more proof -- like we needed any -- that Ichiro is one of those rare dudes that seems to be able to do whatever he wants, whenever he wants on the field.  I don't usually go off on how awesome opposing players are, but I am a baseball fan and that guy is a baseball player, like him or not-so-like him.

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Honestly though, the final analysis of this series has to be that both teams often played like minor league squads and after weeks and months go by it'll just seem like two teams that were still working out the kinks in I-can't-believe-it's-not-Spring-Training-anymore mode.  I thought for whatever one series is worth Willingham looked like he is serious about adjusting to AL pitching and Coco looks more than prepared, if he can just stay on the field to set it on fire night after night as he is capable of doing. The starters looked OK for early, unhelped by the stalagmite-gloved cave-defense that kicked the ball around like a Strip-Hacky-Sack tournament at Burning Man. Gio really strikes me as a potential 20+ winner and that if he just pitches through mistakes and keeps his head, he could be the True Ace of this current crop of Young Golden Arms... when he stays together upstairs and doesn't beat himself with a mental meltdown the sky is the limit for him. Thank you, Captain Obvious.

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Smile, and the Official Scorer smiles with you.

I sure hope I am smiling at the end of this road trip... it isn't going to be an easy one.  Texas is crushing the ball to a fine powder that and Josh Hamilton hasn't even started to hit yet, so the A's can't afford to fall too far behind the Arlington Assault & Armageddon Aggregation. I know it's earlier than R. Kelly's cutoff age for dating, but this three-city jaunt through Toronto and Minneapolis and Chicago ought to give us a barometric readout on what we may and may not have.  I hope Bailey gets back soon and intact because not having him makes us less of a bullpen and less of a force to be reckoned with at the tail end of close games.  I'm with a lot of people who think Brian Fuentes should be allowed to face right-handed batters roughly no times out of never, or less.

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This was my first Opening Day ever, and it was quite the time.

All right, this post is already too long.... I will have the first part of the Ken Korach Conversation next week for you. If you want to check out the raw tape of it (forgive us but it's 82 minutes long so it will have to be transcribed a chunk at a time) I tossed it up for those so inclined.  Otherwise enjoy the day off and I'd love to hear what you thought of the weekend in the Comments.


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it’s over, let it go……(but not without well deserved rehash)

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by ak_A on Apr 4, 2011 5:53 AM PDT reply actions  

Just like the last several years so far

Inability to score and get a timely hit, and then a random day when we score a bunch inspite our selves.

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by skeeter1 on Apr 4, 2011 6:14 AM PDT reply actions  

+1

typical A’s

Every man for himself...

by MMunoz33 on Apr 4, 2011 6:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

How concerned are we about the A's defense???

Daric Barton committed an error in all three games.

Every man for himself...

by MMunoz33 on Apr 4, 2011 6:15 AM PDT reply actions  

I am not... for now

Let’s see how they do on the road trip. They seemed to play much crisper on D yesterday

by jeffro on Apr 4, 2011 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

None

This happened last year too. I remember Barton being pretty shaky first couple games last year and then he was terrific over the entire season. After three games, I’m not concerned about the defense yet – the weekend was rough – but I think it will get better.

by longtimeasfan on Apr 4, 2011 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am annoyed a bit because

every game counts in the standings, at the end of the year, and it is always easier to go .500 in August and September, and come out in the playoffs, if you’re …like…14 games over .500 at July 31. If you’re at .500 on July 31 chances are you won’t make it, won’t get far above .500 for the rest of the year.

I blame the Giants series. It had a “let’s not get hurt”-feel to the whole three games, and it left the club rather flat, emotionally, IMO. Everyone is so concerned about the health of their starters, it seems to cause a negative effect for the Athletics, IMO. The Giants have not fared well, either.

2011: Go Athletics!

by One won lost won on Apr 4, 2011 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bad games happen

Teams have poor defensive games once in a while and as long as it doesn’t end up being a trend I don’t see any reason to worry. I really don’t.

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by Flashfire on Apr 4, 2011 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting theory

The Bay Bridge Series certainly didn’t do anything to get the team motivated or sharper. Frankly, I wonder how many people are losing interest in it. Seems like the players are. To me, the novelty has worn off.

Hey dad, I got this guy's autograph, Rollie
Fingers. Who's he?

by WhizDad on Apr 4, 2011 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Didn't the A's actually have an 8-game losing streak

over three venues? (Cactus League, Bay Bridge Series, Seattle games.) That being said, I don’t believe that had anything to do with the A’s stumbling out of the gate.

I think they were nervous and over-anxious, for whatever reason — maybe feeling the pressure of higher expectations, or maybe just a random “try too hard” nervous energy for no particular reason. But they looked tight, and either that lasts half a week or….well, let’s hope it lasts half a week.

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by Nico on Apr 4, 2011 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe they were scared by all of the people in the stands

Hey dad, I got this guy's autograph, Rollie
Fingers. Who's he?

by WhizDad on Apr 4, 2011 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would guess that the season-opening nervousness

died with the first win.

"So tired. So cranky. So full of rage. Ahhh, the baseball season." - Kyli

by Gaijin_Suketto on Apr 5, 2011 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

You'd think.

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by Nico on Apr 5, 2011 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey, for the other nine guys it did.

Kouzmanoff needs an anti-anxiety med, methinks.

"So tired. So cranky. So full of rage. Ahhh, the baseball season." - Kyli

by Gaijin_Suketto on Apr 6, 2011 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's the key, I think.

We already know we’re gonna play the Giants during the season when it actually counts, so I think people get more pumped for that.

Also, I didn’t even know the preseason games were going down. Maybe I just wasn’t keeping my ear to the ground, but the e-mails I get from the A’s didn’t seem to shout it from the heavens. Was there something I missed, or was the ball dropped by marketing?

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by BearStage on Apr 4, 2011 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

The first two games had a discerning feeling of deja vu

Sunday helped wash away some of the defensive concerns, if only for a day, but really we may need to wait until the weekend to put a definitive spin on the defense.

by RedOscar on Apr 4, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

WOOO first comment!!

I’ve been lurking for a couple years now, and recently I have found myself spending more and more time on this site, so I decided it was time to start contributing.

When all was said and done this weekend, I was fairly pleased. Yes, the bullpen was shaky and the defense abysmal, but I think as the season progresses these two critical facets of the A’s team will be fine. The team will (hopefully) shake off the cob webbs and settle into a nice winning routine. Willingham is really the only person who I am concerned about defensively, but I hope Geren will consider using Sweeney a little more as a defensive sub for the later innings.

by SneakyBacon on Apr 4, 2011 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Welcome

"Juuuuust a bit outside" - Harry Doyle

by ArunisArun on Apr 4, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Almost everybody loves bacon.

Tread lightly with the sneakiness, though, if possible.

Welcome, and go A’s.

"So tired. So cranky. So full of rage. Ahhh, the baseball season." - Kyli

by Gaijin_Suketto on Apr 4, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Especially

This kid

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by Cheezombie on Apr 5, 2011 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Mudkipz

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by mikev on Apr 4, 2011 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Welcome and

will you get a picture or logo or whatever those squares are called?

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by LibrariAN on Apr 4, 2011 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks EN!

Nice recap: many chuckles, a couple of guffaws and one noting of program director’s email address. Well done.

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by fridaynightfan on Apr 4, 2011 7:27 AM PDT reply actions  

Monday Mixtape

Game 1: “The Great Disappointment” – AFI
Game 2: “Always Crashing in the Same Car” – David Bowie
Game 3: “The End of the End of the Ugly” – Sonic Youth

Song for the Road Trip: “Hope You’re Feeling Better” – Santana

Being called a poet as a rock ’n’ roll musician is like being called a physicist as a baseball player. It might have some application but it’s pretty remote. - Richard Hell

by fridaynightfan on Apr 4, 2011 8:00 AM PDT reply actions  

I think most of AN's resident prognosticators are dead-on

This team is going to pitch well and struggle to score runs. No big mystery. Willingham looks like he’ll be fine – Matsui scares me, but too early to tell. Once Bailey comes back , and some of the injured vets get some more work in, I think our bullpen will be fine.

I don’t know what you consider the ‘Bay Area’, but once you cross the bridge(s) into Vallejo or Benecia and beyond, our new radio station that’s all the rave is just as horrible as last year. I’ll just get satellite radio again, but it’s a joke that a major-league team can’t be heard easily throughout their region. It should never be an issue.

I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.

by Vacafan on Apr 4, 2011 8:50 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

Up here In Marin County I can’t hear “The Wolf” except through Comcast cable simulcast on channel 971.

Being called a poet as a rock ’n’ roll musician is like being called a physicist as a baseball player. It might have some application but it’s pretty remote. - Richard Hell

by fridaynightfan on Apr 4, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Even in Albany (near Berkeley) it is weak

I’ve never hear such a pack of stations so close together (around 95.7) on the FM dial. Digital tuning works ok, but twisting the dial to bring in KBFW on an older radio? Nearly impossible to twist to a clear signal, and keep it. Esp compared to KNBR (grrrr).

Dismal!

2011: Go Athletics!

by One won lost won on Apr 4, 2011 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know. I drive over to Bridge Storage in Richmond.

and it’s a good signal.

Sumtin’ local, I tink!

2011: Go Athletics!

by One won lost won on Apr 4, 2011 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Time to replace that 8-track FM combo.

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Apr 4, 2011 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I've mentioned this before, but the new station's coverage map really isn't impressive at all.

It’s nice that fans in Oakland can finally listen to a night game in all its entirety but that’s a pretty low standard to be satisfied with. The rest of the Bay Area seems to be getting various levels of signal quality. Hopefully, the station has the initiative to undergo many improvements (online streaming of the pre and postgame show being first and foremost) over the next 4 years.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Apr 4, 2011 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here here Vacafan

but not hear here. I have a very good radio but reception is scratchy on the bank of the Sacramento River. :-(

"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." Jim Brewer, Boys' Life, 1954

by LibrariAN on Apr 4, 2011 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's fuzzy in San Jose

Or, maybe I’m just getting fuzzier as I get older. However, at least it is ON and that’s a big improvement.

Hey dad, I got this guy's autograph, Rollie
Fingers. Who's he?

by WhizDad on Apr 4, 2011 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Reception isn't great in San Jose

This is sort of funny, for obvious reasons.

by bear88 on Apr 4, 2011 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, funny, huh?

Like when the Giants are all over the paper and the A’s get a spot mention under the crossword puzzle.

Hey dad, I got this guy's autograph, Rollie
Fingers. Who's he?

by WhizDad on Apr 4, 2011 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ugh

I’m not a fan of this either. I often have to go on a goosehunt to find A’s games on CSN.

Shall I call you 'Logan', Weapon X?

by Juicy_Couture_39 on Apr 5, 2011 1:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

What's a four-letter word that means "epic fail"?

Oh never mind, I got it!

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by Nico on Apr 5, 2011 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Matsui shouldn't scare you

His OPS splits last year were like 730 in the first half 950 in the second half. He’s not going to do much these early months. He’s what they call a “warm weather hitter”.

by PL78 on Apr 4, 2011 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting

The station says they get strong coverage from Santa Rosa to Santa Cruz. Weird.

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by BearStage on Apr 4, 2011 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is a good defensive club minus maybe Willingham

So Kouz will get his act together, and so will Barton etc! With the Starters we have and the bullpen we should have the A’s will be in nearly every game if they can play simply average Defense.

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by Athletic on Apr 4, 2011 9:04 AM PDT reply actions  

no, but it's likely that you'll be searched by one of my friends.

I know a lot of cats in PG&E

"So tired. So cranky. So full of rage. Ahhh, the baseball season." - Kyli

by Gaijin_Suketto on Apr 4, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't get it.

Your PG&E friends are going to search me at Burning Man? Wait, is this maybe a “grow” reference? The assumption that because I go to Burning Man I have a grow room or something? My PG&E bills will be abnormal etc., something like that? I think I get it. Is that right?

If I’m right then: “Ha. Good one”. I guess.

If I don’t get it help a brother out. Inquiring mind need know.

by Max Hartman on Apr 4, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Perimeter, Gate & Exodus

Save it for the fast money round, Paddy.

by Leopold Bloom on Apr 4, 2011 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Got it.

I am not actually going this year, and I now very very few people who work for the DPW. I’ll be there in spirit at the Thursday night Laughing Monkey camp costume party.

by Max Hartman on Apr 4, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

And when will they/can they fix the "Exodus"

That was my most largest disappointment last time I went.

Would like to go this year, if $1000 turns up soon!…somehow..turns up…

2011: Go Athletics!

by One won lost won on Apr 4, 2011 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

The only way to truly fix the exodus

would be to expand the main road, and as big an event as BM is, it’s not worth millions of dollars worth of infrastructure improvements in what 51 weeks a year is BFE.

"So tired. So cranky. So full of rage. Ahhh, the baseball season." - Kyli

by Gaijin_Suketto on Apr 5, 2011 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Really overrated if you think he's in the conversation of best player to ever put on a uniform.

He is a great fielder, gets on base well (never really walks, but obviously a great hitter), but he does not produce enough runs to be considered elite. He’s maybe a borderline hall of famer? Probably will get in I’m sure, but I think he’s overhyped. He’s not a guy who would spark a lineup, he’s a guy that needs other guys to drive him in.

WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?!

by true torture on Apr 4, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's a lock for the HOF, no ifs, ands or buts

Your knock on him is that he needs other guys to drive him in? That’s only because he doesn’t swing for the fences. He’s stolen over 500 bases in Japan and the USA, so he’s someone who can leg out an infield hit, steal second and score on one more hit in many cases.

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by Flashfire on Apr 4, 2011 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

And the value of that isn't nearly that of a more powerful hitter.

I agree he’ll get in first ballot, but I’d argue he doesn’t deserve a first ballot nomination.

by danmerqury on Apr 4, 2011 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

His strength has been consistency, an automatic .320+ hitter every year, always healthy, always dependable. But 9 HR, 57 RBI, .806 OPS every 162 games, meh…

WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?!

by true torture on Apr 4, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't care about the RBIs.

But a career .354 wOBA out of a corner outfielder isn’t too great. That’s, you know, Jermaine Dye. But with defense.

by danmerqury on Apr 4, 2011 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

That last sentence is huge.

Save it for the fast money round, Paddy.

by Leopold Bloom on Apr 4, 2011 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah seriously.

Jermaine Dye: -82 career FRAA
Ichiro: 126 career FRAA

Over their careers, that’s a difference of 20 wins. That’s not merely huge. That’s monolithic.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Apr 4, 2011 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, I know.

I wasn’t saying that Ichiro = Jermaine Dye. Just saying that Ichiro’s bat = Jermaine Dye’s bat. Ichiro is not one of the greatest batters to play in the last ten years, which is something I’ve heard. A lot.

A better comp would be Robin Ventura. Who is a perfectly great player…but he’s also someone who was bounced out of the HoF elections in his first year, with 1.3% of the vote.

by danmerqury on Apr 4, 2011 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

There are a lot of guys with a Jermaine Dye quality bat (i.e. ~.355 wOBA).

Ichiro garners so much hype because of he gets that .355 wOBA.

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by speckops on Apr 4, 2011 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dick Allen has a .402 wOBA and Todd Helton has a .413 one

That stat is definitely not considered by HOF voters.

by PL78 on Apr 4, 2011 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm knocking him for his power, clutch hitting, and his plate patience

I’m praising him for consistency, hitting average, defense, and baserunning. Overall he’s a borderline hall of famer for me. He’s a worldwide baseball icon, however, given his combined career is of course stellar.

WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?!

by true torture on Apr 4, 2011 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm simply pointing out the reasons why he is no where close to the best player of all time.

Whether or not he’s a hall of famer, that’s a reasonable debate.

WHAT!??!?!?!?!?!?!

by true torture on Apr 4, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's not a reasonable debate

He’s not the best player of all time, nor even the best player in the Majors today.

But to say that there’s any kind of reasonable debate about whether he belongs in the Hall of Fame is crazy. Aside from his outfield prowess, the guy is a hitting machine. No, he doesn’t hit home runs with the great ones; no, he doesn’t walk so his OBP is based on his hits, rather than a combination of hits and walks.

Given his talents, he’s probably the greatest player of his type since Ty Cobb. That’s Hall of Fame material.

by richwol1 on Apr 4, 2011 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's exactly my point.

He’s NOT a hitting machine. Or, at least, his kind of hitting isn’t all that special, in terms of production.

by danmerqury on Apr 4, 2011 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

To wit:

50 qualified players were more productive with the bat last year than Ichiro’s park-adjusted career mark. Among them? Brett Gardner, Scott Rolen, Vernon Wells, Daric Barton. Not exactly an elite group. Good, very good group, yes, but not elite.

by danmerqury on Apr 4, 2011 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Get back to me when they do it for a decade.

Plus, they all fall way short of him in the coolness factor.

Hey, if Gameday can have a ‘nastiness factor’, I’m inventing a coolness one.

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by OldhamA on Apr 4, 2011 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

A lineup of 9 Ichiros would KILL a lineup of 9 Daricos!

Based on analysis by my extremely accurate player equivalency estimation system known as Baseball Utilization League Leveraging System for Hitting, Infielding and Tantamountarization, or B.U.L.L.S.H.I.T. for short.

It’s very widely used among baseball announcers and colormen, and all sports, actually, particularly on television.

I blame The Economy

by McFood on Apr 4, 2011 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Awesome. My new sig.

"A lineup of 9 Ichiros would KILL a lineup of 9 Daricos! Based on analysis by my extremely accurate player equivalency estimation system known as Baseball Utilization League Leveraging System for Hitting, Infielding and Tantamountarization, or B.U.L.L.S.H.I.T. for short. It’s very widely used among baseball announcers and colormen, and all sports, actually, particularly on television.." - McFood

by paris7 on Apr 4, 2011 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ok, ok!

"It's too much, Cap'n! The engine canna handle such a heavy load!." - LB

by paris7 on Apr 5, 2011 6:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

McFood!

haven’t seen you around these parts in a while.

The McKids must be McTeenagers by now! :)

"So tired. So cranky. So full of rage. Ahhh, the baseball season." - Kyli

by Gaijin_Suketto on Apr 5, 2011 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

In other words....

Only home run hitters can enter the hall of fame; most likely only strike out pitchers can enter the hall of fame.

Screw the rest of them, even if their production is outstanding despite the fact that they don’t hit home runs and don’t strike out batters. Their final stats? Feh.

Load of bullshit.

by richwol1 on Apr 4, 2011 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

So...you completely misread everything I said, then.

His final stats? Not outstanding. Should we give him a handicap because of his style of hitting, even if it’s demonstrably worse than other styles?

by danmerqury on Apr 4, 2011 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is there anything about his style of hitting

that makes him especially capable of beating out the infield singles,

or is it all a function of his legspeed and explosiveness out of the box?

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by Gaijin_Suketto on Apr 5, 2011 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd say so,

considering he’s done it for years and years straight. It’s pretty clear at this point that Ichiro has some kind of freakish ability to put the ball precisely where he wants, unlike damn near any other player out there.

by danmerqury on Apr 5, 2011 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, there's definite technique involved.

From a 2009 NYT article on Ichiro. Pretty fascinating stuff.

"I wish you could put a camera at third base to see how he hits the ball and see the way it deceives you," Detroit third baseman Brandon Inge said. "You can call some guys’ infield hits cheap, but not his. He has amazing technique."

Inge said if Suzuki’s infield hits were only about speed, then every fast, left-handed batter should have lots of them. But they do not. The top three base stealers in the majors bat from the left side of the plate, but none rank with Suzuki in infield hits: Carl Crawford (26), Jacoby Ellsbury (23) and Michael Bourn (33).

The technique that so impresses Inge and others is Suzuki’s ability to keep his hands back as he strides forward with his lower body, which gives him extra time to see the ball. Then, when he is ready to swing, the head of the bat is still back so he can make solid contact.

Tom Robson has studied Suzuki’s technique from opposing dugouts as a former batting coach with the Texas Rangers and the Mets, and with Lotte in Japan.

"Let’s say he’s thinking inside, or has already begun to commit to what he thinks is an inside pitch, and then realizes it’s away," Robson said in explaining why Suzuki’s technique leads to more infield hits. "He still has a chance to hit the ball, because he perfects the technique of bringing the bat around last. Since he’s able to keep the bat head back, he can still hit it when he sees it’s outside.

"Most other guys end up with a ridiculous-looking swing that was nowhere near the ball because the bat was going someplace where the ball wasn’t, and they can’t recover after the bat has already passed through the contact zone."

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by BearStage on Apr 5, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Speaking of people who don't know WTF they're talking about.

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by mikev on Apr 5, 2011 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right....

In other words, the Hall of Fame should not be determined by whether pitchers get outs, or hitters get hits, but based instead on theoretical constructs.

I mean, why bother to play the games at all?

by richwol1 on Apr 5, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL.

What? Now I’m convinced this is just willful ignorance.

by danmerqury on Apr 5, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Theoretical constructs....

The fact that over the ten years that Ichiro has been in the major leagues, he’s gotten far more hits than anyone else in the leagues at the same time - for mikev, that’s irrelevant as to whether he belongs in the Hall of Fame. Instead, he’s looking at constructs like VORP

And I’m sure if it came down to pitchers who are sinkerball pitchers with minimal strikeouts who get the job done for twenty consecutive years, it will probably come down to FIP and xFIP, and therefore VORP, and therefore they’re “borderline.”

by richwol1 on Apr 5, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Though it's possible Ichiro has a great VORP....

I’m just saying - to think that Ichiro is “borderline” seems to me to absolutely fly in the face of everything the Hall of Fame is about. It just doesn’t make sense, and it seems that what is being done is that numbers are being manipulated to come up with reasons why he shouldn’t be in the Hall.

It’s like mikev’s comment that Daric Barton had a better year last year than Mark Teixeira…Obviously anything’s possible, but it seems that if the A’s had Teixiera rather than Barton in 2010, they would have won more games, not fewer.

by richwol1 on Apr 5, 2011 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are you just trying to start stupid arguments?

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by mikev on Apr 5, 2011 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

If the A's had 2010 Teixeira instead of 2010 Barton,

they would have lost more games. This is fact. Counterintuitive, maybe, but it’s true.

by danmerqury on Apr 5, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fact is too strong a word

But given the evidence we have, our best guess is Barton was a better player.

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by vignette17 on Apr 5, 2011 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have said "VORP" fourteen (now 15) times on AN.

The last one was Jan 31st.

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by mikev on Apr 5, 2011 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Then why in hell is Ichiro borderline...

…if you’re not looking for obscure statistical measures?

by richwol1 on Apr 5, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not looking at anything theoretical.

I’m looking at offensive production, plain and simple. Why only use hits when you can use, you know, actual value? Should the decade’s walks leader be in the Hall of Fame for that fact? What about the decade’s HBP leader? You’re singling out one offensive trait. I’m looking at them all, in concert.

This has nothing to do with FIP. FIP is, yes, an artificial construct designed to look at a few pitching elements and throw out the rest. wOBA? Not that. wOBA is a total summation of a batter’s production. And Ichiro isn’t as productive as a lot.

by danmerqury on Apr 5, 2011 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Never mind the fact that we shouldn’t be looking at just offensive data for Hall inclusion.

…‘course, that’s all the Hall seems to care about anymore, so I guess I’m sadly, sadly wrong.

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by BearStage on Apr 5, 2011 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jeter would have to be God to live up to his hype.

He’s still a very good hitter though.

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by OldhamA on Apr 5, 2011 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's not that Ichiro doesn't have power - that's just not his job.

Ichiro could hit 20-30 HR a year – but that’s not what his job is. His job is to get on base, and that’s what his swing and stance are designed to do. If he wanted to change it to hit for power, he could, but his average would take a dip. I’ve seen Ichiro hit some loooong balls in BP. Also, you can see interviews (was it the Bob Costas one?) where Ichiro basically says that he does what his job requires, which isn’t hitting home runs.

And besides, he’s a leadoff hitter. It’s not fair to knock him for his RBI’s without taking into account all the runs he scores, which is a direct result of everything else he does at the plate, not to mention his phenomenal baserunning.

How could he possibly be a borderline HOF candidate?

- 10 consecutive seasons of 200+hits. No one’s done that before. EVER.
- 262 hits in a season. Are you kidding me? It’s the all-time single-season hits record.
- 10-time All-Star
- 7-time MLB hits leader
- 10-time Gold Glove winner
- first player to reach 2,000 hits in less than 10 seasons
- 32 career leadoff home-runs (9th all-time)

And the fielding… good lord, the fielding. How many of us were there for “The Throw”? I was. Sitting on the third-base side of the park. Long on first, Hernandez at the plate – 55 slaps a single to right, Long takes off. Ichiro scoops up the ball on the run and fires a r-o-c-k-e-t to beat Long by a step. I’ve never seen anything like it. I couldn’t even boo – I was just impressed.

You know what else Ichiro is? He’s a mind game. He’s extra worry to fielders. He’s extra pitches that pitchers don’t want to throw. He’s the stretch that pitchers don’t to pitch in. He’s what you don’t want to see coming to the plate.

And Ichiro’s clutch hitting? Why don’t you ask Chang-Yong Lim what he thinks.

First-ballot Hall-of-Famer. End of story.

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by BearStage on Apr 5, 2011 12:56 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ichiro is a stubborn bastard, and that's his strength and his weakness.

He should hit for power with runners on base, and hit for average with the bases empty or a runner on third with two outs.

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by Gaijin_Suketto on Apr 5, 2011 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's in love with his batting average.

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by OldhamA on Apr 5, 2011 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

So he should change his stance and style depending on the situation? That’s just silly.

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by BearStage on Apr 5, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why is that silly?

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by Gaijin_Suketto on Apr 5, 2011 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh... you were kidding...

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by Gaijin_Suketto on Apr 5, 2011 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're right

All those home runs really made Rickey less effective as a leadoff guy.

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by nevermoor on Apr 5, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Where did I say that HR’s were a detriment?

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by BearStage on Apr 5, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

u said this...
Ichiro could hit 20-30 HR a year – but that’s not what his job is. His job is to get on base, and that’s what his swing and stance are designed to do.

nevermoor just extended your logic.

ichiro’s job and the team’s job is to score runs. getting on base helps to score runs. hitting for power is a more useful skill for scoring runs. so hitting home runs is very useful. rickey hitting a lot of home runs helped the team score runs despite it not being his job description as a leadoff guy.

the problem with ichiro is that he gets lots of hits, but he doesn’t get on base at an elite clip (which is his job). he’s a unique player and plays very good defense (aided by his very strong arm). should he be in the hall of fame? sure. but he’s not an automatic first ballot guy like rickey rightly was.

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by stm72 on Apr 5, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s not really an extension of my logic. I never said that home runs were detrimental to the role of a leadoff hitter. They’re just not the primary goal – they’re extra, the cherry on top of the ice cream. If they’re part of the leadoff hitter’s game, so much the better – but you shouldn’t knock a leadoff hitter for not hitting enough home runs.

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by BearStage on Apr 5, 2011 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Averaging 57 RBIs when you hit .331 in your career is pretty poor to me.

That’s my only real knock. He does score a lot of runs though. No disrespect to him at all but he’s won nothing in the MLB (no playoffs since his best year, his rookie year when no one knew how to deal with him) and his team hasn’t been very good since 2001.

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by true torture on Apr 4, 2011 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's a leadoff hitter

And he’s had nearly 70 a few times. You can’t blame him for not having a ton of RBI opportunities.

Rickey averaged 59 RBI a year over a 162 game season, just two more than Ichiro.

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by Flashfire on Apr 4, 2011 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

But he only hit .270 career, plus he played like 24 years

Ichiro started playing at the prime of his career, meaning right away he was a great player, no bad numbers to start career, and he will probably fade away soon. We haven’t seen years from him where he’s either too young or too old to be very good. His last two years have been nothing special.

Rickey got on base more and was therefore more effective. Ichiro slaps the ball while running towards first, which is a gimmick to me.

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by true torture on Apr 4, 2011 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

And Rickey made up for in part by walking a lot

But it’s not like Rickey was a bad player his first few years in the Majors. In fact, he was almost immediately one of the best and stayed that way for a long time.

You’re singling out strange things to knock Ichiro for. One of his primary JOBS is to reach base and reach base a lot, which he does, and give his team a chance to score. He’s been in the top 10 in runs scored seven times and has collected over 3,500 hits combined in Japan and the USA, not to mention he’s been one of the best defenders the game’s seen.

I think you have some fundamental disagreements about what makes Ichiro the great player he is because he doesn’t do a few things as well as you think he should when the reality is hitting home runs and driving in a bunch of runs is not what his role is. He could probably hit 25 homers a year if he wanted to, at the expense of reaching base a bit less.

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by Flashfire on Apr 4, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Which is why Rickey is much much better.

Ichiro getting a bunch of singles with his slap-hitting ways is not as effective as a .270 hitter who gets on base 30 points higher. If he gets that many hits, he should be able to drive in more runs, and generate more runs himself, even as a leadoff hitter.

I’m not allowed to nitpick when the thread writer says he’s in the conversation for best player to ever put on a uniform? That’s a gross overstatement, so please allow me to point out a few ways he could be a lot better.

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by true torture on Apr 4, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't put him in the list of best to ever put on a uniform

But if that’s the only reason you’re looking for things to quibble with, fine.

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by Flashfire on Apr 4, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Have you looked at Ichiro's Japan numbers?

He hit .385 his rookie year and never hit below .342 before coming across the Pacific. Of course, those are Japan numbers, but point being that he hasn’t really had a non-prime part to his career, which, in my opinion, is one of the coolest parts about Ichiro. Sure 2010 was one of his worst years (but only for hitting, it was one of his better defensive years using UZR), but 2009 was one of his best. I really want to see this guy continue to hit .300 well into his 40s. I don’t have any precedent to suggest that he will, but I think it could happen.

Also, FWIW, he hit 20 homers twice in Japan.

Personally, I think he is a first ballot Hall of Famer. But this is one of those cases where I highlight the Fame part of the Hall. He is historically very significant in my mind for a few reasons. But even just based on the numbers I think he’s in the Hall, just not anywhere close to upper-echelon IMO.

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by ArunisArun on Apr 4, 2011 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

The other thing about it is he really opened the door for other Japanese position players to come to the United States

At that point there wasn’t much in the way of Japanese players here at all except for Hideo Nomo. There were questions – ones that were immediately answered – as to whether or not Ichiro would be able to carry his success over here, so in that sense he was groundbreaking.

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by Flashfire on Apr 4, 2011 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Plus, he's super cool.

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by OldhamA on Apr 4, 2011 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's gonna break Rose's record,

and he won’t have to be a player-manager inserting himself into the lineup to do so.

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by Gaijin_Suketto on Apr 5, 2011 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

counting Japan and US, of course.

Just like Sadaharu Oh is the real home run king, not Barroid, at least in my mind.

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by Gaijin_Suketto on Apr 5, 2011 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

What are your feelings on Phil Rizzuto being in the HOF?

He was like Ichiro except nowhere near ever as close to being as good at baseball as he was.

Please respect Ichiro, he is a god of the game.

by PL78 on Apr 4, 2011 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Phil Rizzuto is only there because he was a Yankee

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by cuppingmaster on Apr 5, 2011 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed with him not being in consideration for best player ever

but he certainly is an elite player and should be first ballot hall of famer.

by bloodshot13 on Apr 4, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Especially with Babe Ruth's pitching prowess

as well as home run records. No one can match that mix.

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by One won lost won on Apr 4, 2011 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

That was pretty dumb on the Babe's part.

That was almost as dumb as Otis Nixon making the last out of a World Series game trying to bunt for a base hit.

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by Gaijin_Suketto on Apr 5, 2011 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

just to clear it up you guys

I did say if (big if) he’d have played his whole career over here, he’d be in the conversation — I didn’t place him in the conversation. But he is a monster player, 1st ballot HoF’er as he is, with years in Japan before coming here.

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by emperor nobody on Apr 4, 2011 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I should also say this

He got off the plane here and his team promptly tied the all-time single-season wins record, still standing at 116. That’s a monster achievement and he was a huge part of it with his monster rookie season. This gives him even more cred for the hall IMO.

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by emperor nobody on Apr 4, 2011 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't see how that's fair.

I mean, sure, he was absolutely a huge part of that amazing team. But frankly, put Bret Boone, Mike Cameron, Edgar Martinez, and John Olerud on a team like that, and you’re winning 105+, Ichiro or not.

by danmerqury on Apr 4, 2011 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

105+, OK, but they did 116...that's like 105++

it’s an all time record for something — something pretty meaningful and it might not be broken for a long time, possibly not within our lifetimes. This means something, that he was a central figure in an almost unprecedented achievement, not easily reproducible by just any player.

He’s also achieved what he’s done as essentially the 1st big position player star from there to really break out and become a superstar icon here as well…. and he’s done it under the most microscopic scrutiny in the Japanese media. Intangible factors yes, but, powerful ones nonetheless.

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by emperor nobody on Apr 4, 2011 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah, I'm not arguing he doesn't belong in the Hall.

Especially for being a huge marketable star, he deserves it. But let’s not pretend he’s a talent on the level of a Pujols or anything. He’s a solid Scott Rolen. Which is Hall-worthy, for sure.

by danmerqury on Apr 4, 2011 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

If the Mariners had lost 11 more games that year,

and two of those losses were to the A’s…

then the AL West would have been tied with two 105 win teams.

Wow.

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by Gaijin_Suketto on Apr 5, 2011 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

95.7's signal for games sounded like an AM station on FM

I seem to remember back in ‘06 or ’07 (whatever year we were on FM) that the signal was much stronger than it was the past three games. The quality can be improved (see Sharks games), but I’m assuming that they were getting the kinks out this past weekend and hopefully find the budget to upgrade to something more audible for at least the Minnesota series, especially with there not being a game today.

by RedOscar on Apr 4, 2011 10:06 AM PDT reply actions  

Players play the Majority of Games under the Sun in Spring Training

Our one victory was under the sun. Coincidence?

I think there is a timing issue in going from light to dark for batters and fielders and I chalk up our poor play to it to a degree. Seattle’s outfielders had a tough time in LF and CF as did Barton early on, thank God his ball was in foul territory. As the season progresses, they’ll adapt. They have to.

A justification for night games is if you play in the midwest or anywhere not Oakland, SF or Seattle and it’s blistering hot during the day. Otherwise, I think baseball was meant to be played under the sun and clouds , not the stars.

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by Gerard on Apr 4, 2011 10:41 AM PDT reply actions  

often noted, never acted upon

Fu*ck the broadcasts….let’s win some more games!! Day games…YES!!!

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by One won lost won on Apr 4, 2011 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

The hitting will be better

(than last year)

Davis
Barton
Ellis
Cust
Zooks
Kooz
Hermida
Carter
Penny

That was the lineup on the second to last game last year.

Crisp
Barton
DeJesus
Hammertime
Matsui
Zook
Ellis
Kooz
Penny

Was the lineup yesterday.

If you look at direct replacements for players, without looking at the advance metrics, you gotta say batting-wise:

Coco >> Davis
Matsui<Cust
Kooz 09< Kooz 10 (Just going by his declining pattern)
Dejesus>>Hermida/(Carson/Watson)
Willingham >> Carter

So although injury’s may play a factor (Hammer, Coco), the players are veteran enough to suggest that offensively the team will be marginally better. And the way it looked last year, if they were just marginally better they’d win several more games.

So given that there will probably be a marginal offensive upgrade, I’m more worried about the pitching repeating.

by Pop N' Locktapus on Apr 4, 2011 10:47 AM PDT reply actions  

I'd say matsui=cust

And some of those werent the regular starters, like Hermida, Carter, and Davis.

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by thewhizkid on Apr 4, 2011 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Unless Matsui starts staring at called thirds

I’d say Matsui > Cust, at least by one “>”. And, one other factor…Matsui brings fans to the ballpark and viewers to the TV. Have you noticed the additional Kanji ads around the park already? (Think we can all pitch in and have “Screw the Giants” in Kanji on the sign board behind homeplate for an inning?) I don’t think anyone bought a ticket to see Jack Cust after the first two months he was on the team.

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by WhizDad on Apr 4, 2011 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I did.

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by mikev on Apr 5, 2011 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I certainly did.

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by BearStage on Apr 5, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

"Screw The Giants" would be highly offensive to most of the country of Japan.

The Tokyo Giants are the Yankees of Japan.

Plus, even Giants haters would most likely still be offended by the blatant rudeness of the statement.

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by Gaijin_Suketto on Apr 5, 2011 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Let's not forget last year's opening Day lineup

featuring Chavez and Buck… which were soon to be replaced by the Jake Fox, E Pat & Matts

Plus we have healthy Crisp and proven Barton, which were both big question marks last year

I’m feeling much more confident about this years line-up than last.

by Oaktown Shutout on Apr 5, 2011 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Saturday's Attendance Had a lot of competition

Saturday night, at the same time there were 4 pro bay area teams playing home games:

A’s
W’s
Sharks
Quakes

That’s a lot of freaking competition for somebody’s dollar. They somewhat came back on Sunday – 23,000

I will totally agree that the atmosphere on Friday was phenomenal. I have never seen so many pro Oakland people out in force like that

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by kbtoyz on Apr 4, 2011 11:32 AM PDT reply actions  

Sunday's game looked pretty crowded

Was fun being there, great fans on hand for Japanese heritage day, solid interviews on the jumbotron with the Japanese heritage theme…

by Billy Frijoles on Apr 4, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not to mention

A little thing called the Final Four was taking place that day as well

by bloodshot13 on Apr 4, 2011 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

The end of May can't get here soon enough

That’s when it looks like my gold alt jersey will ship.

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by Flashfire on Apr 4, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, doc. That's a long frickin' time.

I wanted to wear my gold A’s t-shirt to wiffleball, so I got some masking tape and taped over “CHAVEZ” and wrote “GALLEGO” instead.

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by Gaijin_Suketto on Apr 4, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not gonna lie
the standing room atmosphere of 36,000+, the chant of “Let’s Go Oakland!” by the whole stadium all at once after the Nat’l Anthem ended

Watching this on television gave me chills, very awesome to see, not gonna lie watched it over and over and over again…
Oh, and the Sunday gold, our A’s were lookin’ good, looooookin’ goood

by iddu on Apr 4, 2011 1:55 PM PDT reply actions  

Of course they do.

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by pam5981 on Apr 4, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I actually think some green piping down the leg of the pants would look really hot.

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by pam5981 on Apr 4, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

ditto

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by ak_A on Apr 4, 2011 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah, but it would look terrible with the white jerseys.

And no way are they going to have two separate sets of white pants.

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by Gaijin_Suketto on Apr 5, 2011 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

they should.

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by pam5981 on Apr 5, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Very tempted to get one at some point this season

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by YonYonson on Apr 4, 2011 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Me too

They really do look good

by UrgentMirth on Apr 4, 2011 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Me too!

But I want girl sizes. No way I’m getting a jersey that goes down to my knees.

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by pam5981 on Apr 4, 2011 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Only thing i'd do differently with the gold uni's

is put the arm elephant on the right side to balance the look out.

As it is, the elephant on the left arm is really close to the A’s insignia, with a whole lot of blank yellow on both the whole right side of the uni front, and right arm. Just looks a bit unbalanced, but i still love them overall.

by supersugarCrisp on Apr 4, 2011 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

dig the gold

much. Sweetness with the white pants. Sweetness.

by oakballnack on Apr 4, 2011 4:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Gold pants could be good

I saw some of the old uni’s from the 1970s, with the gold pants. So perfectly odd, they were ….good!

2011: Go Athletics!

by One won lost won on Apr 4, 2011 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

You must have missed last year's all gold uni day

which was a throwback to the early 70s. They also had all green unis back then but I think they only wore them once or twice. They looked like zucchinis.

Hey dad, I got this guy's autograph, Rollie
Fingers. Who's he?

by WhizDad on Apr 4, 2011 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually, this may be a photoshopped image but you get the idea.

Hey dad, I got this guy's autograph, Rollie
Fingers. Who's he?

by WhizDad on Apr 4, 2011 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Try this one instead

It’s at least real. Sorry about that.

Hey dad, I got this guy's autograph, Rollie
Fingers. Who's he?

by WhizDad on Apr 4, 2011 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Horrible.

"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury

by OldhamA on Apr 5, 2011 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

You're horrible.

The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. —Joe Posnanski 8/29/09

by pam5981 on Apr 5, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

The saggy pants are what’s horrible. Yipes.

CGB: Wasting Your Potential, Your Time, & Your Life Since 2006.

http://www.californiagoldenblogs.com/

by BearStage on Apr 5, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Terrible.

Official Athletics Nation Rotating Tagline Editor - Pam liked my old sig better.
My thoughtful watermelon is easily mistook for an early American catapult.

by mikev on Apr 5, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well the good news is that the Mariners aren't completely rolling over for the Rangers right now.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Apr 4, 2011 6:14 PM PDT reply actions  

The bad news is that Cruz just hit another homer.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Apr 4, 2011 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

The good news is that he's on my team that no one cares about.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Apr 4, 2011 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

the rangers are going to score a lot of runs

did anybody see the double play Wilson made?

I am only pretty on the outside
dannycakes can also be called "hipsterbot," or "Gambit"

by Future Ed on Apr 4, 2011 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not too bad an effort from Bedard

Having not pitched in the bigs for 2 years and coming up against the hottest team in baseball.

by PL78 on Apr 4, 2011 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Probably to split the lefties up a little going forward, which I was hoping for one way or another

I like a RLLRL setup more than a RLLLR one.

Or, who knows, maybe something happened to Braden and he needed an extra day.

Last of the Ninth - Photography

by Flashfire on Apr 4, 2011 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I prefer a A-O-PM-OASB-B* roatation, but that's just me..

*(Ambidextrous-Octopus-Pitching Machine-One Armed Spit Baller-Bazooka)

I blame The Economy

by McFood on Apr 4, 2011 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Damn, you're hot today.

"A lineup of 9 Ichiros would KILL a lineup of 9 Daricos! Based on analysis by my extremely accurate player equivalency estimation system known as Baseball Utilization League Leveraging System for Hitting, Infielding and Tantamountarization, or B.U.L.L.S.H.I.T. for short. It’s very widely used among baseball announcers and colormen, and all sports, actually, particularly on television.." - McFood

by paris7 on Apr 4, 2011 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mc.....Food?

Who is this McFood fellow? Does he consume kraut of the free variety?

m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!

by JediLeroy on Apr 5, 2011 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

a bit.

Save it for the fast money round, Paddy.

by Leopold Bloom on Apr 5, 2011 2:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's the only person I've ever met from here that I've exchanged high-fives with.

For that, he’ll always be my soul brutha. Also, he was one of the people whose comments I most enjoyed back in the heyday (for me) of AN.

m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!

by JediLeroy on Apr 5, 2011 3:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

OMG!

You know that ESPN article about Oakland’s 4 starters. And someone on here photoshop’d it to ad in a stick figure of McCarthy. Well on McCarthy’s twitter account hes useing that picture as his twitter avatar!

http://twitter.com/B__McCarthy

"Carter's 25-game hitting streak isn't any normal streak. He's 46 for 97 (.474 average) during the run, adding 16 walks and compiling 81 total bases in the process. I'm out of superlatives for what he's doing." - Kevin Goldstein

by Syphon on Apr 4, 2011 7:45 PM PDT reply actions  

That would be because

It wasn’t someone on here who photoshopped it but McCarthy himself.

"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton

by vignette17 on Apr 4, 2011 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

That would explain it. Haha.

Just figured when I saw it in some thread on AN it was made by a AN member.

"Carter's 25-game hitting streak isn't any normal streak. He's 46 for 97 (.474 average) during the run, adding 16 walks and compiling 81 total bases in the process. I'm out of superlatives for what he's doing." - Kevin Goldstein

by Syphon on Apr 4, 2011 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is Crosby out of baseball?

Don’t know why but every year I check him out, and see where his worthless a** ends up. Maybe because he epitomized the unfulfilled hopes for the A’s since the mid 2000’s, the frustrating “why can’t those guys hit!?”, coinciding with the last good bat the A’s farm has produced (Swisher), and the declining offense that ensued. He and Chavez are the biggest disappointments in recent memories, and no one can blame Chavez for not trying, but Crosby… sigh, he’ll always be the goat of the decade for me

by asfansince1989 on Apr 4, 2011 7:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Possibly with DBacks

as some sort of utility infielder

"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." Jim Brewer, Boys' Life, 1954

by LibrariAN on Apr 4, 2011 8:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Dear Emperor

Great and very entertaining post. I will (cough) send a note to the station director asking them to (cough) not forget about the one million plus people who live down here in San Jose so please turn up the juice just a notch. It doesn’t matter much if country and western is fuzzy and fades in and out (it actually improves the ability to tolerate it) but, with baseball, it’s just plain criminal when that happens.

Great photos too. You should do weddings.

Hey dad, I got this guy's autograph, Rollie
Fingers. Who's he?

by WhizDad on Apr 4, 2011 10:02 PM PDT reply actions  

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