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Possible Trade Targets: 3B, OF



I think it's pretty clear that we need upgrades offensively right now, but this post will focus more on 2012 and beyond. One way or another, Kouz will be gone by the end of 2011, and the expiring contracts (and sketchy injury histories) of Crisp and Willingham could leave some gaping holes in the outfield. Without any obvious help coming from the minors at the moment, the A's may very well have to look outside of the organization for help.

It isn't necessary at all, but I've always wanted to say this -- more after the jump

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3rd Base:

I'll start by saying that I've always been a big fan of Adrian Cardenas, and Stephen Parker's bat has garnered some positive reviews, but both might have trouble handling the position and I think it'd be a mistake to bank on either to start full-time in 2012.

Also, I won't mention the usual suspects (Stewart, Wright, Headley) because they've already been discussed as possibilities a lot here.

James Darnell - Another one of my favorite prospects (along with several other minor leaguers in that system), Darnell has gotten off to a blistering start in Double-A San Antonio this year, hitting .433/.541/.761 in 18 games. John Sickels covered him last week on his site. Aside from the first half of last season when he dealt with a hand injury, he has hit everywhere since being drafted in 2008.

There have been rumblings that he may have to move to right field, but he has the tools to play third. As John mentioned, he has the range and arm strength to play 3rd, but just makes too many mistakes. Even if a move to the outfield is in his future, the A's could use him there as well. I'm not great with comps, but I could see Corey Koskie-type numbers from Darnell. He has a good bat.

What would it take to get him? I'm not great with trade scenarios, but with Headley at third and a potential glut in the OF in the future for the Padres, I can't think he'd be too tough to pry away. Maybe something starting with Krol or FDLS?

Allen Craig - Like Darnell, he would questionable at third. Probably moreso than Darnell, actually. But also like Darnell, he's done nothing but hit since he got drafted. He has a .308/.370/.518 career line in the minors, and while you may be quick to dismiss that as an older guy beating up on younger competition, he raked as a 22 year old in High-A and at 23 in the Texas League. He had just been pigeonholed in Triple-A the last couple years before finally scoring some playing time on the ML roster this season.

Again, I don't know whether or not he'd be able to handle third adequately. I haven't seen him play there. But he has moved around and is currently playing in left, so he might be a solution there too if he can't play third. I can't imagine that it would take more than a B-/C+ prospect to get him. Reminds me a little of Ryan Ludwick.

Jed Lowrie - He could probably be considered one of the "usual suspects", but I think he should be our number one target if we're looking for someone to play 3rd. It'll be harder now to trade for him now since he's hitting well and Scutaro's contract is expiring. It might take Ross, but I 'd do that. .284/.380/.445 in the minors, .287/.381/.526 in 55 games last year, .390/.413/.610 in 18 games so far this year. Grade A- from Sickels as a prospect. Health has been the one thing holding him back.

Outfield:

With Chris Carter looking more and more like a DH every day, and Michael Taylor continuing to, well, suck, we could have a lot of holes to fill in the outfield come 2012. These are some guys I think we should target there:

Ryan Kalish - I think he's always been somewhat underrated as a prospect because he doesn't have one tool that stands out, but he can play center, really controls the zone, and has a good power-speed combo. I could see some years where he hits .280 and goes 20/20. He was squeezed out of the crowded Boston outfield before the year, but I'm sure they still think highly of him. I would dangle any of Ross, Carter, Choice, Weeks, or Green to get him, he's really one of my favorites and could hold down center for years.

Chris Young - Might be a little far-fetched, but if the D-backs were dangling Upton this past offseason, why not Young? He'll strike out a lot but is a legit 30/30 threat and plays great defense in center. He's had some poor years but is coming off a great one in 2010, so maybe he figured some things out. Like with Kalish, there aren't really any prospects of ours I wouldn't give up for him.

Luke Scott - Honestly, I thought he and Willingham would already be on this team a year or two ago. He still might be a good fit for left in 2012 as a guy who will play solid defense, get on base, and hit 20-25 or so homers. Can't think that the Orioles would ask for too much. And who knows, if we're in it but the Orioles aren't around the ASB, maybe Beane could try to pick him up for the stretch run.

Other guys I would look at  are Charlie Blackmon, Dexter Fowler, Jaff Decker, BJ Upton, and Grady Sizemore.

So what say you, AN? Who are some possible 3rd basemen or outfielders we're not discussing who you think the team should go after? Or do you think our in-house options will be sufficient?

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Love Charllie Blackmon

and he plays an excellent CF which will be important.

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by designatedforassignment on Apr 28, 2011 2:11 PM PDT reply actions  

I want absolutely no part of Luke Scott being on this team. At all.

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by mikev on Apr 28, 2011 2:18 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Oh and there is this.

You don't need a religion, you have the A's. - My girlfriend

by designatedforassignment on Apr 28, 2011 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was already weary of him

Then reading that piece on ESPN recently, seeing the way he treats Felix Pie, whom he calls a friend, I was disgusted…

"Minutes from the last save opportunity...Balfour got 3 outs..."- Nico

by stranahanahan on Apr 28, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

That Pie thing was terrible. I kinda wanted to punch my monitor.

And I have to share this. This comment on the article on Deadspin was amazing.

http://deadspin.com/#!5794540/luke-scott-is-still-a-gun+humping-birther-survivalist-lunatic-chickenshit-espn-story-wont-say

It’s times like this I’m glad I carry a bag of freeze-dried assholes with me at all times, so I can make sure to toss a few handfuls at him in case I ever meet him.

by danmerqury on Apr 28, 2011 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Wow, that's a pretty fantastic article

Deadspin shows again why they’ve got some of the most candid and thought provoking writers out there…

"Minutes from the last save opportunity...Balfour got 3 outs..."- Nico

by stranahanahan on Apr 28, 2011 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pie calls him a friend, too.

I’m more concerned with his opinion than yours, quite frankly.

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on May 2, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree, I cannot stand him as a person

But I always have put on-field production over stuff like that, so if he’s going to produce, I don’t care if he’s a nut.

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

http://www.domingobeisbol.com/

by hero66 on Apr 28, 2011 2:41 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Usually how I feel too

But this guy seems like a special case.

by Glorious Mundy on Apr 28, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Link? I completely missed it.

I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.

by Vacafan on Apr 28, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

The whole savages/plantain chips thing doesn't bother you?

The stashing guns in the sofa cushions and kitchen cabinets?

I mean, to each his own, I guess, but this is not the kind of guy I’d feel good about having on my team.

by Glorious Mundy on Apr 29, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

When a good friend makes racially-based comments to me in jest it doesn't bother me

I don’t own guns, but I know lots of people who do and they’re quite normal.

I vibrated with joy that join A's. -- Kim Seong-min

by WaddellCanseco on Apr 29, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

One thing to own guns,

another to keep them loaded and ready in various hidey holes around the house “just in case.” This guy seems like a ticking time bomb to me.

by Glorious Mundy on Apr 29, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

That is a bit odd, and I'll eat my words if he goes on a shooting rampage

but by itself it doesn’t scare me

I vibrated with joy that join A's. -- Kim Seong-min

by WaddellCanseco on Apr 29, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's a flagrant racist

I don’t know, that seems pretty horrible to me.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Apr 29, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't get that from the article.

I vibrated with joy that join A's. -- Kim Seong-min

by WaddellCanseco on Apr 29, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Throwing banana chips at black people?

Have you been living under a rock for the last twenty years? This is pretty much Racism 101.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Apr 29, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

I guess I never took that class

I vibrated with joy that join A's. -- Kim Seong-min

by WaddellCanseco on Apr 29, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I took it. It was difficult, but I did all white.

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by Nico on Apr 29, 2011 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well done

I had to keep from laughing in class.

"If anyone needs me, I'll be watching St Elmo's Fire since that is on and this was crap." -Kyli

by IChaseFrisbees on May 3, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

"What are you laughing at?"

“Oh, just racism!”

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on May 6, 2011 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

This.

Throwing banana chips at a black guy to get him to “stop acting like a savage” is almost the damn dictionary definition.

by danmerqury on Apr 29, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Apparently you guys never got the memo...

Just as long as you say “Hey, I’m no racist but…” you can say and do whatever you want. At least that’s what I’ve learned from my right wing friends and the 95.7 Drive Time crew.

by Max Hartman on Apr 29, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

To be a racist...

You have to be caught in KKK garb with matches in hand standing in front of a flaming cross.

by Max Hartman on Apr 29, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or...

Be a person of color who talks about there being a race problem in this country.

by Max Hartman on Apr 29, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not one for making much out of so called "clubhouse chemistry"

But the guy is a cancer to his teammates. Would you want to go to work everyday with someone who treats other people that way?
Personally, I wouldn’t and it would probably affect my work performance as well…

"Minutes from the last save opportunity...Balfour got 3 outs..."- Nico

by stranahanahan on Apr 28, 2011 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Scott is more of a potential PR cancer than clubhouse cancer

Pie likes him. Jones likes him. OK, they are on the same team and maybe Orioles are ordering them to speak nicely of him to ESPN. Quintero likes him and speaks positively of him even though they are not on the same team anymore and there’s no possible pressure to do it. Taveras likewise. Honestly, it’s quite clear that Scott does more to insult the sensibilities of certain white people than he does to insult his minority teammates.

by Manstein on Apr 29, 2011 1:54 AM PDT up reply actions   4 recs

Exactly.

It’s easier to call someone a racist when you find their political and religious views objectionable, though.

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on May 2, 2011 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

ya, its definitely inappropriate in front of the press...

but if you’re with your boys and it’s alright, then i see nothing wrong with it..

Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!

by naq92 on Apr 29, 2011 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

So they think he's a 4-5 WAR player?

"Minutes from the last save opportunity...Balfour got 3 outs..."- Nico

by stranahanahan on Apr 29, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, ok

Well if that’s the case I doubt his Defense is worth 2 wins less than Kouz at this point, so I’d consider it at least a 1 win upgrade…

"Minutes from the last save opportunity...Balfour got 3 outs..."- Nico

by stranahanahan on Apr 29, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

What about Alex Gordon?

Or is he someone that the Royals would not trade or would want too much for now that he’s doing pretty well?

by longtimeasfan on Apr 28, 2011 4:30 PM PDT reply actions  

They've been reluctant in the past I believe

And he is hitting well so far, though he’s been moved off third.

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

http://www.domingobeisbol.com/

by hero66 on Apr 28, 2011 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

A guy I was wondering about at 3B is Lonnie Chisenhall (CLE)

What’s the latest word on him, offensively and defensively?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Apr 28, 2011 6:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Don't think there's any way we get him

Consensus top 20 or 30 prospect, scouts love the bat, defense isn’t anything special, just average IIRC.

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

http://www.domingobeisbol.com/

by hero66 on Apr 28, 2011 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's why I thought he might be a good target -

he’s not a defensive whiz, which could temper his value But this team would do well to add a “good bat, ok defense” player.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Apr 28, 2011 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Too soon

I vibrated with joy that join A's. -- Kim Seong-min

by WaddellCanseco on Apr 29, 2011 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Personally, I think his bat is overrated

And if he’s apparently a little suspect with the glove, I don’t find him too attractive of an option.

"Minutes from the last save opportunity...Balfour got 3 outs..."- Nico

by stranahanahan on Apr 29, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hunter Pence

  beane tried for him before and now that his pay will go up he is on the block. Would take a pitching prospect. Ross or McCarthy would be the price but worth it.

by Arcman on Apr 28, 2011 7:59 PM PDT reply actions  

I didn't think about Pence, I'd be cool with going after him

Not for Ross or McCarthy though

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

http://www.domingobeisbol.com/

by hero66 on Apr 28, 2011 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he'd be a really intriguing option

Solid defense and a slightly above average bat.
So is next year his final year of arbitration though of would we have 2 years of control? If it’s his last, only way I deal for him is contingent on signing him to a 4 or 5 years extension…

"Minutes from the last save opportunity...Balfour got 3 outs..."- Nico

by stranahanahan on Apr 29, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Suzuki for Lowrie

Makes too much fucking sense to happen. Red Sox need a catcher that can, uhm, catch and throw, and A’s need someone who can play left side of the infield and understands the concept of hitting baseballs. If we could squeeze out Kalish or even Reddick it would be even better.

by Manstein on Apr 29, 2011 12:52 AM PDT reply actions  

Suzuki + (bullpen arm)

If Devine comes back throwing darts, that obviates one of him or Balfour.

"Hey anyone can join in...as long as they talk about me." - Mr. Bed
"So you're saying we should skin the Rangers and wear them as uniforms? I’m down." - Kyli

by cuppingmaster on Apr 29, 2011 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Their catching situation is so bad, they might just do it

"Hey anyone can join in...as long as they talk about me." - Mr. Bed
"So you're saying we should skin the Rangers and wear them as uniforms? I’m down." - Kyli

by cuppingmaster on Apr 29, 2011 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Their shortstop situation has been SO bad for so many years running that I can't see how they would ever do it

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Apr 29, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

No way they're trading Iglesias

The kid has a chance to be something really special. They know that, I mean hell, they didn’t give him up in the deal for Gonzalez, I doubt they’ll give him up unless we gave them Anderson.
Then they wouldn’t have to face him anymore either, ha!

"Minutes from the last save opportunity...Balfour got 3 outs..."- Nico

by stranahanahan on Apr 29, 2011 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

this is true

I’d say in general that a Boston trade has a low probability of happening anyway.

"Hey anyone can join in...as long as they talk about me." - Mr. Bed
"So you're saying we should skin the Rangers and wear them as uniforms? I’m down." - Kyli

by cuppingmaster on Apr 29, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

What about...

Andy LaRoche? Could be a reclamation project. Just sayin’.

by Colorado Fan on Apr 29, 2011 7:18 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I hope the more Kouz struggles the more ABs LaRoche gets

I’m a big fan of his, and right now there’s no harm in giving him a legit shot.
Plus, his defense isn’t bad, and he’s got a cannon for an arm. While he may not have Kouz’s range, I don’t have to worry everytime he makes an off balance throw to 1st.

"Minutes from the last save opportunity...Balfour got 3 outs..."- Nico

by stranahanahan on Apr 29, 2011 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

The opinion I've heard

Is that Kouz has always been playable because of his defensive upside, whereas LaRoche has been given several legit shots and blown all of them.

At this point I’m in favor of giving him another shot as well (Alex Gordon seems to have figured things out) because Kouz has been such an eyesore, but I’m not sure everyone sees it that way. Or more importantly I’m not sure the guys in charge of such decisions see it that way.

"If anyone needs me, I'll be watching St Elmo's Fire since that is on and this was crap." -Kyli

by IChaseFrisbees on May 3, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kalish has that shoulder issue now

Don’t wanna touch him until he’s past that. Lowrie for Suzuki though… in a heartbeat.

"Hey anyone can join in...as long as they talk about me." - Mr. Bed
"So you're saying we should skin the Rangers and wear them as uniforms? I’m down." - Kyli

by cuppingmaster on Apr 29, 2011 8:09 AM PDT reply actions  

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