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Many pundits, whose puns shall go nameless have predicted our A's to do fairly well this season. What we have been reading and hearing is that the A' s need to get off to a fast start and then hold off the Rangers' charge in the second half of the season. Really?

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Perhaps if we go back to our  championship years of the late 80s we can make a case that this team's formula for success would be to get off to a strong start  and stay there. With the pitching staff anchored by Stewart and a bullpen of Nelson, Honeycutt and Eckersly  able to  "shorten" games to about  7 innings we had the formula for success that was virtually unstoppable. Lest we forget the lineup that displayed power, speed and batting average. Mind you, and I haven't even began referencing anything beyond our leadoff hitter in Rickey Henderson and you can begin to see how devastating it was to add Canseco, McGwire, Parker, D Henderson, Steinback...alright, I'll stop there.

Tony LaRussa would often refer to the "triangle" in those years, which referred to winning the division, the ALCS and the WS. Well, 1 WS  ring out of 3 attempts is forgiveable. But his preparation to have the team focus on winning each series throughout the season really helped A's fans understand his formula for success that continued to follow him beyond his tenure in Oakland.

As we fast forward to the late 90s and the turn of the century, Beane's A's had a different formula for success that has not necessarily been altered over the last 15 years. The pillars of our recent success over the past decade was predicated upon superior starting pitching and a methodical approach by the offense more or less embodied by the superior talents of Giambi, Tejada, Chavez and others over the last 12 years.We really were a little lucky with our three aces given their anatomical breakdowns after Mulder and Huson left Oakland. Zito? That was mental. Why he tried to lengthen his stride to gain more velocity on his fastball spoke to his insecurity after signing with the Giants.  When the rest of the league caught on to Beane's offensive philosophy and copied him to a degree we have seen the results in places such as Boston which removed a near century of futility in gaining a WS title. The difference between their use of advanced metrics and ours, remains money. But in our case it's kind of like oil and petroleum products in the U.S., we have it, but are unwilling to use  it. Mr. Fisher, are you listening?

Over the last 15 years we have seen Beane approach the the season with a different approach than the one espoused by LaRussa to an extent. What we saw was patience applied to evaluate the roster over the 1st 3 months  in order to identify needs for making a push toward the playoffs. Ideally, I am sure he would wish to have had rosters as talented as those of our championship teams that required little tinkering, but adding pop to the lineup brought us some unpredictability which he didn't necessarily like as well. Jose Guillen's gritty contribution was something A's fans loved but his personality, like Milton Bradley's upset the clubhouse chemistry in Beane's estimation and he was gone shortly thereafter.

For the A's there was a fantastic period in the early part of last decade when the A's owned the best record in the 2nd half of the season. It was as predictable as a  summer South Florida rainstorm in the late afternoon, the way our team would get hot and play at an unbelievable winning percentage. Moneyball's allusion to our winning streak in 2002 will be a great reminder. But is this the formula that we will see arising again for our 2011 version? It's possible. But I don't think improbable. During "that streak" we feasted on the NL Central and AL Central. This season we go to Atlanta and Philly, I believe. Now, if we sweep those teams, now you're talking about something special.

Our personnel will probably give us the most clues as to how good this team will perform. To hear our manager describe our infield, we have collectively the best in baseball in Geren's eyes. Kouz's UZR of 17 along with Pennington's range, Ellis' steady play along with Barton's range and streeeeetttch at firstbase speaks to Beane's "new" bench mark for attaining superiority through pitching and defense. The outfield will be solid and spectacular at times, but at least we don't have to think of Jack Cust as an option out their anymore. Will this be enough given we have an offense that should be significantly improved with the addition of Willingham, Dejesus to complement Crisp and uber backup Sweeney?  Improved power? Yes. But will our defense and pitching match up to the improvements of the WhiteSox, RedSox, Rangers and others who have been picked as AL favorites and have formidable offenses?

Our early season schedule finds our team in the Midwest and northern climates in April. How can this be a good setup for a hot start when we'll watch our batters trading skiing mittens in between at bats while they all get fitted in their green and gold longjohns  after arriving in the Twin Cities. While Texas may be considered the class of our division and the Angels are still a well coached veteran team with a superior manager, I am more interested in whose going to be our stopper when we lose a few games early on...and we will lose a few. Still, the formula for this team will involve it's veteran leadership and its consistent defensive play. I also expect better offensive outcomes from Suzuki, Kouz and Sweeney as they won't bat in places where they admitted "trying to do too much" last year.I also don't want for our fans to put too much blame or hope on Matsui . Beane bought the middle of our lineup through trades and FA signings. I don't know if all three will perform to expectations, but  2/3 wouldn't be bad. All in all, I don't think we need to panic early on and expect this team to follow the  traits of its predecessors of about a decade ago. I suspect that's Beane's plan as well.

The assessment of this team needs to be fluid. We can only hope that if there is a breakdown in our outfield Taylor and Carter can be inserted. Our infield depth is currently questionable and our pitching depth and consistency should be able to handle the highs and lows younger staffs, in terms of experience, go through.  This should be interesting. Are we really as good as we think?

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The A's have a legit shot, which is better than the last couple years

Our starters get a lot of love but they aren’t proven over time.

Our offense, while surely (hopefully?) improved, still looks only average at best.

The D looks good, but we’re also injury prone.

So yeah, things have to go right, we have to stay relatively healthy.

What i do not like/understand is that we play in Minny so early. I know it cannot be done perfectly, but all southern, western and domed teams should host the bulk of early season games. Sure, teams like Minny wouldn’t get as many April home games, and they could complain that that hurts their starts, but so be it. Baseball was not meant to be played in such cold that guys can’t grip the ball/bat right, or slip and slide all over the place.

If the A’s get a Bailey like surprise or two, and we stay healthy, the division is very possible. Then after that it’s being hot at the right time. Even without the surprise year from a no name or two, the A’s should be in the division race with any health.

I do think The Angels are better than many think. They have some good starters, probably a better O than us. The Rangers could do it again but they have starting issues and some injury history to deal with as well.

As for formulas, i think often they just look like formulas. I think the first couple of times the A’s got hot late and rode that, it was coincidence. Then, the fact they’d done that before gave the players confidence that that was their (the A’s) way. Add to that your point about Beane attacking needs midway or at the deadline and there is some merit to it. Could be young teams, like the A’s have to always be, need time to get their confidence rolling, then are too young and dumb to know better (that they “shouldn’t” reel off wins so easily) later.

Go A’s!!

by supersugarCrisp on Mar 29, 2011 1:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Agreed

Venues such as Minne, Chicago, Detroit are tough places for any team to start the season. I thought about the delay of home openers in those areas, but that has never been done to a large extent. Risk for injury in colder climates would have to factor in MLB delaying home openers in those cities… or snow. Colder climates would take away hitting advantages and I suspect place more emphasis on the pitching. Our offense doesn’t need the colder weather to nullify what little pop they have. Get used to small ball especially in April.

"I've been accused of using too many words...I suppose that's like accusing Mozart of using too many notes." Bill King

by Gerard on Mar 29, 2011 1:44 PM PDT reply actions  

tl;dr

however, while laying here, convelescing under the influence of vicodin, sweet vicodin, does the answer “Scott Brosius” help?

I got nothin'

by OptimistPrime on Mar 29, 2011 2:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Don't drive or operate heavy machinery!

"I've been accused of using too many words...I suppose that's like accusing Mozart of using too many notes." Bill King

by Gerard on Mar 29, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Share?

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BLOOM. For men.

If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.

by DMOAS on Mar 29, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

WooHoo!

Scott Brosius to the rescue.

Life insurance s..cks. I'm now worth more dead than alive.

by Tutu-late on Mar 29, 2011 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

When people talk about a team getting a "hot start,"

I don’t think they mean it literally.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Mar 29, 2011 4:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Was with you until you called the Angels manager "superior"

The only thing he’s superior at is wasting everyone’s time by arguing any even remotely slightly challenge-able call. If he was a good manager, they wouldn’t have finished in 3rd with Haren+Weaver leading the way.

IMO the only team with a manager who routinely gets his team to play above their ceiling is Minnesota.

by PL78 on Mar 29, 2011 5:08 PM PDT reply actions  

I won't defend Scoscia other than to say that the Angels ...

…over the last decade have outperformed (as much as it makes me cringe) our A’s based on WS titles if you use that criteria. The year that we had our now famous streak, the Angels stayed very close behind us and their performance in the playoffs was outstanding. I give Scoscia credit. I think he is a stabilizing force in their organization. Likewise, Minnesota has done a great job of not only developing players but also keeping them. Their economic situation is now superior to ours but even a few years ago before the stadium was solidified, they still kept a few of their players.
I would be curious about whom you rank higher than Scoscia in the AL.

"I've been accused of using too many words...I suppose that's like accusing Mozart of using too many notes." Bill King

by Gerard on Mar 29, 2011 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gotta agree on Scoscia

It’s hard to really judge managers effectively, but when a team consistently (until last year) outperforms its predictors it means something, most likely.

by supersugarCrisp on Mar 29, 2011 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

What recent A's players have actually been worth "keeping"?

Joe Blanton?
Rich Harden?
Barry Zito?
Milton Bradley?

About the only guys the A’s have dealt or let walk who are any good are Swisher and Haren, who are, you know, kind of responsible for most of the current team roster. As far as I can tell, an ownership committed to “keeping its players” would have run this team into the ground in very short order.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Mar 30, 2011 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Paul, I was referring to Minnesota

On Oakland’s side, I’m not in disagreement with you about the 4 players you mentioned. While this is Beane’s latest version, the only fundamental difference with our current club and our previously perennial playoff teams is that we don’t have too many home grown players in the field. In other words, I just wish we had some talent such as Tejada, Giambi et al. out their playing out there every day. But that’s just my own bias.

"I've been accused of using too many words...I suppose that's like accusing Mozart of using too many notes." Bill King

by Gerard on Mar 30, 2011 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Been saying for awhile

that Beane needs an offensive coordinator/assistant GM. Someone to hand final decisions over to when it comes to sensing which offensive players to draft, sign and trade for.

The sample size is big enough. Beane ebbs when he should flow, trades when he should hold em, and generally hasn’t come up with a difference making offensive decision other than one year of Frank Thomas in 10 years or so.

What if Beane just let Forst make offensive decisions for two years to give it a shot? (I know, unlikely.) If these last few drafts along with Carter and Taylor provide little to nothing, i really think it’s time to be honest (think it’s time already) about Beane’s lack of good GMing regarding offense.

by supersugarCrisp on Mar 31, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Rangers announced their opening day lineup

C — Mike Napoli
1B — Mitch Moreland
2B — Ian Kinsler
SS — Elvis Andrus
3B — Adrian Beltre
LF — Josh Hamilton
CF — Julio Borbon
RF — Nelson Cruz
DH — Michael Young

BENCH: Yorvit Torrealba, David Murphy, Andres Blanco

SP — C.J. Wilson
SP — Colby Lewis
SP — Matt Harrison
SP — Alexi Ogando
SP — Derek Holland

RP — Neftali Feliz
RP — Darren O’Day
RP — Arthur Rhodes
RP — Darren Oliver
RP — Mark Lowe
RP — Pedro Strop
RP — Mason Tobin
RP — Dave Bush

They’re a good team, but depth and DL use are going to give us the AL West winner. If Hamilton misses too much time, or their pitching staff falters, they are going to end up a .500 team. Dave Bush.

by PL78 on Mar 29, 2011 5:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Not to mention

Beltre & Wilson having niggling injuries already, the Mike Young situation and, um, Dave Bush.

Look at the rest of the pen too: Pedro Strop is awful and Mason Tobin has never pitched above A+ ball. Mark Lowe sucks too. I have no idea what happened to Arthur Rhodes after he missed the 07 season, but he’s 42 and moving to Texas doesn’t seem like its going to do him any favors. Pitching-wise, it sure doesn’t look like a contender. Luckily they have those bats+great defense.

by PL78 on Mar 29, 2011 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just want you to say that to his...mother

"I've been accused of using too many words...I suppose that's like accusing Mozart of using too many notes." Bill King

by Gerard on Mar 29, 2011 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eh?

It’s likely still in the upper half of MLB, even with Hunter missing a month and a half and being replaced by dross like Harrison.

It’s at least comparable to Oakland’s; they likely have the two best pitchers of the lot from a projected-WAR standpoint (Anderson’s clearly the most skilled, but he’s injury-prone), as well as huge upside with Holland. They are lacking somewhat from the depth perspective, admittedly.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Mar 30, 2011 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, the more common use for RP is Relief Pitcher

Do people still put down lefty/righty notes on their teams? Thats pretty old school.

by PL78 on Mar 30, 2011 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

"Left pitcher"?

Last time I heard, they pitched baseballs, not lefts.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Mar 30, 2011 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

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