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Nico's Guide To Optimal Roster Performance

First off, this post shall not contain ranting about how Rajai Davis should be the 5th OFer and not Conor Jackson, because while everyone within the sound of my keyboard knows I thought Davis made more sense in that role, what's done is done and today I look strictly at the presumed Opening Day roster and how the A's can get the most out of it.

The roster, of course, will be fluid throughout the season as every team goes well beyond the original 25, and I don't have to remind you that the A's have been no exception. I'm just hoping Coco Crisp doesn't break a pinky in the Bay Bridge series and we can at least start with roughly the 25 guys we pencil in.

Star-divide

#1: For the love of God, Kurt Suzuki needs a day of rest no less often than every 7 calendar days, whether or not the schedule provides one. Speaking of God, even HE understood that on the 7th day you rest, so this is not some recent discovery.

I don't know how the A's can be so dumb about this, historically, allowing their catchers to be worn into the ground, when it seems so self-evident that if you allow your backup catcher to play once/week you will get more out of your starting catcher because he won't be utterly exhausted and you will get more out of your backup catcher because he won't be rusty.

So I start with the obvious: Kurt Suzuki should never play on 7 consecutive days, and this practice of giving him regularly scheduled "occasional breathers" should start in April. Note that this rule would only guarantee the A's backup catcher (presumably Landon Powell) all of two starts in April, as the schedule comes with plenty of off-days in it.

#2: Not all the time, but against some LHPs I would like to see Conor Jackson start in LF, with Josh Willingham moving to DH. Jackson is a legitimately good hitter against LHPs (his career slash line is .294/.395/.462) and his value on the roster, as a 5th OFer, is maximized by getting him some at bats against LHPing.

Meanwhile, DHing occasionally will allow Willingham to rest his knees from the wear and tear of playing the OF, making it more likely he holds up over the course of the season. The same is true of giving Hideki Matsui some days off.

I say "not all the time" because if the A's play a 4-game series in which three of the starters are left-handed, Matsui doesn't need to sit three times. But working Willingham into the DH spot a bit, and Jackson into the lineup against LHPs a bit, and resting Matsui a bit are complementary moves of creating a solid lineup while taking care of health over a long season.

Note that Ryan Sweeney fits in much the same way as an occasional breather for Coco Crisp (with David DeJesus sliding to CF), as Crisp does not hit as well against RHP and will undoubtedly benefit from occasional rest. So just as with catcher, I'd like to see the OF and DH spots also used in that "several days on, a day off" rotation, only this time done strategically to create platoon advantages along the way.

#3: Lineup order may not matter a ton, but it's good to get it right and it's a whole lot fun to overanalyze. My thought about lineup order includes a bit of a surprise...

Against RHP, I probably like this order best of all the configurations:

Crisp - CF
Barton - 1B
Matsui - DH
Willingham - LF
DeJesus - RF
Suzuki - C
Kouzmanoff - 3B
Ellis - 2B
Pennington - SS

Against LHP, if these nine start? I say keep the order the same. Why? Because the two guys who hit a lot better against LHPs, Kouzmanoff and Ellis, are bad enough against RHPs that I really don't want them up in the #5 spot, late in the game, against the right-handed bullpen. That's when you're likely to care most about batting order: When your best hitters have just batted, you have two on, maybe one or two out, in the 7th or 8th inning of a close game.

Meanwhile, DeJesus maintains a perfectly good OBP against LHPs (.340 career) and just loses a lot of slugging -- but is definitely the guy you would want up against the righty reliever. So because DeJesus hits LHPs decently, while Kouzmanoff and Ellis really plunge against RHPs -- and aren't even that great against LHPs -- in this particular case I'd be inclined to look ahead to the likelihood of seeing right-handed pitching later in the game anyway, keep Kouz and Ellis down in the order, and opt for more consistency in guys' spots from day to day.

#4: As for the bullpen, so much of who is used will rely on who is available, and that can't be planned ahead much. Suffice it to say, though, there is no excuse for using Michael Wuertz three days in a row, or asking Craig Breslow to throw four days out of five. There are too many "comparable fill-ins" -- Wuertz and Balfour, Breslow and Fuentes, that one can be slotted in to give the other a day off pretty interchangeably.

I will throw this in to the bullpen discussion: I like the four-out save. That one extra out doesn't require too high a pitch load -- a good closer can expect to face about 5-6 hitters, and throw about 20-24 pitches, in a typical four-out save -- and it doesn't get much more "high leverage" than when there is a real threat in the 8th with runners on, two out, and the possibility that if you don't get the next out, that save might not even be there in the 9th.

When I see two on, two out, 8th inning, and my team up a run, I want my best pitcher in there, now. And once he quells that threat, the 9th is a relative piece of cake as it starts with the bases empty. Don't get greedy: If you start stretching that to five-out saves and two-inning saves, you start to play with the health of your most important reliever. The magic number, as I see it, is four. Get the last out of what you hope will be the last crisis, and finish it from there.

With their bullpen, if used properly, the A's are going to shorten a lot of games this year. Provided they don't trip over the rotting corpses of their catcher and their outfielders.

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If you look at their splits...

It’s actually makes more sense for the middle of the order to be reversed. (3-DeJesus, 4-Willingham, 5-Matsui)

by PaulRathert34 on Feb 3, 2011 7:18 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

*It actually

Stupid voice recognition. Lol

by PaulRathert34 on Feb 3, 2011 7:20 AM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't say that

(It can hear you)

"Never have a motto, that's what I always say" - Me
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by padmadfan on Feb 3, 2011 4:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Sometimes I swear it can!

You should see how it mistranslates things and gets me in trouble.

by PaulRathert34 on Feb 3, 2011 6:36 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

Every man for himself...

by MMunoz33 on Feb 3, 2011 7:57 AM PST up reply actions  

This was my thought as well

But i see the logic in having Matsui’s higher OBP earlier and DeJesus’s contact skills later. There is also the option of moving Willingham to third and having Matsui and Dejesus back to back, but that gives a clear opportunity to be LOOGied, whereas a lefty back to back with Barton does not necessarily do this even though the opposition will likely play it that way anyways.

I might also move Suzuki back just to keep the pressure off until he regains his stroke.

by DrDoom on Feb 3, 2011 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Not according to the data

The best hitters should bat 1,2 and 4. with your next best hitter batting either 3rd or 5th. Consensus is 3rd if its a power guy.

This is why I say Crisp, Barton, DDJ or Matsui, Willingham, Matsui or DDJ

I think I wanted DDJ 3rd mostly because of preconceptions (DDJ is more of a #2 hitter and has some speed, Matsui is an RBI guy that usually bats around 5th). Looking at the numbers Matsui at 3rd makes some sense.

In the end it probably doesn’t matter so long as Geren doesn’t deviate too wildly from this.

Barton 2nd is the key in my opinion.

by DrDoom on Feb 3, 2011 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

So you would bat Pujols, Bonds, et al 1st or 2nd in the lineup?!

Here are the stats for guys who hit 3rd last season. Most of them are the better hitters on their teams. Cleanup is the power position. What “data” are you referring to?

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting/_/split/111/sort/atBats/order/true

by PaulRathert34 on Feb 3, 2011 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Here you go...

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/3/17/795946/optimizing-your-lineup-by

http://www.athleticsnation.com/2010/2/2/1288427/constructing-an-optimal-lineup

In reality, I agree that most teams put their best hitter 3rd… that doesn’t mean it is the best choice… just the popular one.

There are also considerations such as speed early, patience to let the fast guys steal, lefties after a speed guy because a hole opens up by first base when the runner is being held etc etc. I think most of the stats would tell you these things don’t matter that much, but I really don’t know.

I am somewhat inbetween because the numbers say Barton should bat leadoff, but I’d rather him bat second for some of the above reasons.

by DrDoom on Feb 3, 2011 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

The only explanations there are about driving in runs.

The #3 hitter isn’t JUST about driving in runs, it’s also about trying to make sure that the top of you’re order doesn’t go 1-2-3 and the inning is over.

Re: the cleanup spot, here is a direct quote:
“The cleanup hitter is the best hitter on the team with power.”

by PaulRathert34 on Feb 3, 2011 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Why should you make sure your order doesn't go 1-2-3?

The biggest knock against the #3 spot (and why it should go to your fourth or fifth best hitter) is because it comes up with two outs WAY more than any other spot. Why would you want to waste your best hitter when he’s always batting with 2 outs?

by danmerqury on Feb 3, 2011 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Yea this

Believe me they are factoring in more stuff than we are even thinking of here.

by DrDoom on Feb 3, 2011 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep.

The Book’s analysis of the topic is very, very thorough.

by danmerqury on Feb 3, 2011 4:09 PM PST up reply actions  

It's in the actual The Book.

But I’m fairly sure bits and pieces have been put on the internet at some point. Not sure if it’s on Tango’s website.

by danmerqury on Feb 3, 2011 4:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep

The batting-order study in that book is almost obsessive in its attention to detail. They’ve got it down to the level of moves that make a difference of a handful of runs in a season. Everyone should read that study.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Feb 3, 2011 6:00 PM PST up reply actions  

That is as true as it is irrelevant to anything being discussed.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 3, 2011 7:11 PM PST up reply actions  

The point I'm trying to make is that if the 3 hitter gets on

then your team is still hitting. If you go down 1-2-3, you are in the field. Your best hitter is in that spot not JUST to drive in runs.

by PaulRathert34 on Feb 4, 2011 7:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes, but you can score runs if your #4 hitter

leads off the next inning by getting on base. In fact you’re more likely to than you are if your #3 hitter gets on base with two out and the bases empty.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 4, 2011 8:21 AM PST up reply actions  

If you're playing baseball...

and you’re in the dugout in the first inning, what would you rather have happen after your leadoff and #2 hitter get out?:

Your #3 hitter get out
OR
Your #3 hitter get on and let the chips fall where they may with your cleanup hitter and any other hitter that may end up hitting that inning.

by PaulRathert34 on Feb 4, 2011 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

If he's my best hitter,

I’d probably rather see him leadoff the next inning than see him come up with two out and nobody on. I wouldn’t mind seeing my “feast or famine guy” (e.g., Chris Carter) get a shot, though.

Kind of why I don’t like to see Andrew Bailey summoned in the 9th inning of a game the A’s are trailing 6-2. Yes, bringing him in gives us the best chance to win, but there’s a game tomorrow too.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 4, 2011 9:47 AM PST up reply actions  

To clarify, by "him lead off" u mean ur cleanup guy, right?

Cuz in the scenario I proposed ur #3 hitter would be up with 2 outs and would be your best hitter.

by PaulRathert34 on Feb 4, 2011 9:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Right.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 4, 2011 5:32 PM PST up reply actions  

"you" and "your"

I am only pretty on the outside
dannycakes can also be called "hipsterbot"

by Future Ed on Feb 4, 2011 6:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I always forget: Is it ur or u'r?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 4, 2011 7:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Obviously, I'd rather have my #3 hitter get on base, than make an out.

But that’s, again, irrelevant to this discussion. If you have the opportunity to stack the lineup before knowing what will happen, you wouldn’t put your best hitter in a spot that always comes up with 2 outs.

by danmerqury on Feb 4, 2011 10:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Well, half the time (when the leadoff batter leads off)

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 4, 2011 5:32 PM PST up reply actions  

the roman empire was successful because of roads and aqueducts

I am only pretty on the outside
dannycakes can also be called "hipsterbot"

by Future Ed on Feb 3, 2011 7:33 PM PST up reply actions  

THAT'S AN OPINION!!!!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 3, 2011 8:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Historical fact

I am only pretty on the outside
dannycakes can also be called "hipsterbot"

by Future Ed on Feb 3, 2011 8:10 PM PST up reply actions  

c'mon!

I am only pretty on the outside
dannycakes can also be called "hipsterbot"

by Future Ed on Feb 3, 2011 8:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh I stand corrected.

They’re real — and they’re spectacular.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 3, 2011 8:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I doubt any modern politician...

would have the courage to grow a pair like that!

"... and A-Rod is forced to admit that Dallas got to the Hall of Fame before he did." - en

by FoolshGame22 on Feb 3, 2011 8:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Sarah?

Fan: "Yeah, whatever. You’re wrong." Stat guy: "No, you’re wrong." Fan: "Cool. Pass me a beer." Stat guy: "Here you go." Sigh, if only it was this easy.

by Tutu-late on Feb 4, 2011 1:31 PM PST up reply actions  

The other thing to remember is that if you make these changes...

these numbers change with them. You can’t just say change your lineup this way and expect the data which you’ve collected to stay the same. Statistics are fluid and change based on their data sample. If you analyzed data with these proposed changes, then the results may say something completely different.

Thank you for bringing up this book though. I have no idea how I’ve never heard about it. I’ll have to check it out.

by PaulRathert34 on Feb 3, 2011 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Statheads would tell you that where a batter hits should not impact his performance

And we aren’t worried about individual Rs and RBIs, but team performance. wOBA is wOBA whether its batting leadoff or cleanup. You can believe that or not… I still believe a little bit in lineup protection, but not to the degree I did before so many people enlightened me to the alternative point of view.

I’m not saying this is gospel… its just a line of thought with some good support. If we had Pujols, I might suggest batting him third just because.

by DrDoom on Feb 3, 2011 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I VERY COMPLETELY disagree

Isn’t this fun?

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by WaddellCanseco on Feb 3, 2011 7:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I TOTALLY COMPLETELY don't disagree with WC

it is

I am only pretty on the outside
dannycakes can also be called "hipsterbot"

by Future Ed on Feb 3, 2011 7:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Read the book you just said you'd check out...

THEN see if you would continue to argue against the math/science/logic that everybody else is using. Just because the “three-hole” has traditionally been where the “best hitter” is penciled in doesn’t mean it’s the best spot for him in real life.

by Dickhouse on Feb 5, 2011 11:37 PM PST up reply actions  

The point I'm trying to make, and correct me if they address this...

but if you were to bat guys where they suggest, wouldn’t the results that they’ve obtained logically change because the lineups that produced those results changed?

But yes, I will check it out. I completely understand where you guys are coming from and what everyone is talking about, I just don’t see how the statistics will remain a constant if you drastically change the order (to me batting Pujols 1st or 2nd is a drastic change from 3rd or cleanup. Cleanup I don’t have much of a problem with, but I can’t see ever batting him 1st or 2nd).

by PaulRathert34 on Feb 7, 2011 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

I like Barton #2

But what about having him #1? I know it isn’t prototypical but with the amount of pitches he sees and the high OBP having him at the top would mean more scoring opportunities.

by dwishinsky on Feb 3, 2011 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

he grounded in to 6 in 290 plate appearances

Barton 8 in 556

I am only pretty on the outside
dannycakes can also be called "hipsterbot"

by Future Ed on Feb 3, 2011 7:25 PM PST up reply actions  

those are ABs

328
686 are the PAs

I am only pretty on the outside
dannycakes can also be called "hipsterbot"

by Future Ed on Feb 3, 2011 7:26 PM PST up reply actions  

No, you RUN into "strike out DPs"

You hit into GIDPs.

One of the conditions that is ripe for GIDPs is hitting the ball hard. That’s why excellent hitters like Boggs, Gwynn, Brett, Mauer and so on can hit over .350, and aren’t particularly slow, but also can’t avoid GIDPs especially well.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 3, 2011 8:28 PM PST up reply actions  

If there is a will theres a way to run into any type of double play you want!

Thats a really good point re: GIDPs. I guess what I am just trying to argue, is there is always going to be a candidate for GIDPs in a lineup. I’m not sure theres a surefire method to reduce them in a lineup as a whole (unless changing the composition of players you have – i.e. everyone is very fast?)

by dwishinsky on Feb 4, 2011 6:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, DPs mean guys on base and guys hitting the ball,

so it’s not all bad — just comes with the territory, to some degree.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 4, 2011 7:55 AM PST up reply actions  

you could sign guys that don't hit into DPs

A guy with high strickout totals, lots of walks Good OBP, maybey a few HRs.

I am only pretty on the outside
dannycakes can also be called "hipsterbot"

by Future Ed on Feb 4, 2011 6:39 PM PST up reply actions  

CUSTY!!!!!!!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 4, 2011 7:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I think I would have it like this:

Barton
Willingham
DeJesus
Matsui
Crisp
Suzuki
Ellis
Kouz
Pennington

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Feb 3, 2011 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Hm, on second thought...

Move Ellis behind Crisp, and Suzuki to eighth, behind Kouzmanoff.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Feb 3, 2011 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

This is the way I'd do it (I mentioned it in a previous post I wrote too):

Crisp
Barton
DeJesus
Willingham
Matsui
Kouzmanoff (until Suzuki gets his groove back, then flip them)
Suzuki
Ellis
Pennington

by PaulRathert34 on Feb 3, 2011 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

That is about what I had

Maybe Suzuki 8th, but doesn’t really matter.

by DrDoom on Feb 3, 2011 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

that is more likely to happen but

I think Geren will flip DeJesus and Willinham and suzuki before Matsui

I am only pretty on the outside
dannycakes can also be called "hipsterbot"

by Future Ed on Feb 3, 2011 7:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Is it just me... or does that look like a really...

weak lineup? I could be wrong. Maybe we’ll run the opposition to death, but…

"... and A-Rod is forced to admit that Dallas got to the Hall of Fame before he did." - en

by FoolshGame22 on Feb 3, 2011 7:56 PM PST up reply actions  

It's probably average if everyone stays healthy

and there’s no….nasty surprises.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Feb 3, 2011 7:57 PM PST up reply actions  

well, I suppose we have depth...

for those inevitable nasty surprises. I think that is one advantage of Beane’s strategy.

"... and A-Rod is forced to admit that Dallas got to the Hall of Fame before he did." - en

by FoolshGame22 on Feb 3, 2011 7:59 PM PST up reply actions  

It's really not.

I don’t know if you realize how good DeJesus and Willingham’s bats are…but they’re good.

by danmerqury on Feb 3, 2011 7:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Willingham yes....DeJesus...eh

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Feb 3, 2011 8:01 PM PST up reply actions  

DeJesus isn't Campy and...

Willingham isn’t Reggie. Perhaps, that is why this lineup looks weak to me. But, of course, that is probably an unfair comparison.

"... and A-Rod is forced to admit that Dallas got to the Hall of Fame before he did." - en

by FoolshGame22 on Feb 3, 2011 8:01 PM PST up reply actions  

With the Marcel Projections,

Lineup Simulator says 4.19 runs/game.

Avg Runs Per Game:  4.19

Runs For 162 Games: 678

Order	Name	        G       RBI	R
1 	Coco Crisp 	150 	64 	89
2 	Daric Barton 	150 	69 	76
3 	David DeJesus 	150 	84 	75
4 	Josh Willingham 150 	87 	79
5 	Hideki Matsui 	150 	82 	68
6 	Kurt Suzuki 	150 	65 	60
7 	Kevin Kouzmanoff150 	67 	60
8 	Mark Ellis 	150 	54 	56
9 	Cliff Pennington150 	50 	61

by LoneStranger on Feb 4, 2011 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I like it

I am only pretty on the outside
dannycakes can also be called "hipsterbot"

by Future Ed on Feb 3, 2011 7:27 PM PST up reply actions  

yay!

This is the most “Bookian” lineup I can think of, without resorting to detrimental stuff like 3 lefties in a row.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Feb 3, 2011 7:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Regarding 4-out saves

The pitcher also has to throw more warm-up pitches, which I don’t think is a good thing. It limits how often you can use him.

"Today, I am the greatest of all time" - Rickey Henderson

by A'sFanDFW on Feb 3, 2011 7:26 AM PST reply actions  

I believe

her premise is that if we’re up by the margin of 1-3 runs, then the closer is already warming up.

It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.

by ru155 on Feb 3, 2011 8:59 AM PST up reply actions  

her?

did nico get enough money for the operation? :)

WTF GEREN?!?!?!

by robbo650 on Feb 3, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Wait Nico is a girl now?

He means there would be warm out pitches for a 4 out save because you warm up to come in and then warm up again for the 9th inning.

by Athletix Man on Feb 3, 2011 11:36 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

8 pitches

I’d elaborate, but my ovaries are killing me.

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by Nico on Feb 3, 2011 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

haha

my bad Nico. one of those things where you automatically designate gender based on handle. I always thought the handle was short for “Nicole”.

It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.

by ru155 on Feb 3, 2011 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

And my breasts rather large.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 3, 2011 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

All this sounds fine to me. I don't even care if Matsui sits 3 times vs lefties

For that matter I wouldn’t care if he sat out against every lefty they faced this season. If used this way, Jackson might actually turn out rather useful….maybe.

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by WaddellCanseco on Feb 3, 2011 7:41 AM PST reply actions  

i vote we just

push Beane & Wolf during the next interview to add Nico to the bench as Assistant Manager in charge of player health management.

It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.

by ru155 on Feb 3, 2011 9:02 AM PST up reply actions  

This new Thursday guy sucks. Where's my history lesson?

*wink*smiley face*hug*grope*etc

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Feb 3, 2011 8:20 AM PST reply actions  

Randomly

Coco Crisp shared this from the Mo’Nique Show: http://yfrog.com/gzwbqwaj

Last of the Ninth - Photography

by Flashfire on Feb 3, 2011 8:27 AM PST reply actions  

Can't disagree with any of it.

A lot of this seems fairly obvious (ahem…Kurt), but it needs to be said anyway.

by danmerqury on Feb 3, 2011 9:05 AM PST reply actions  

I still don't get if resting Kurt is so obvious to everyone else on the frickin' planet...

Why isn’t it obvious to Bob?!?!?

At one point in my life I liked Dave Kingman more than Rickey Henderson. I was stupid.

by the_rozeboom on Feb 3, 2011 9:17 AM PST up reply actions  

When I looked at Mauer's stats

I was amazed to see he only catches about 110 games per year. No wonder he hit .365. Of course I don’t expect that much out of Zooks, but it looks pretty obvious he could do better with more days off.

by barryzitoforever on Feb 3, 2011 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

is Mauer

your .400 golden goose?

It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.

by ru155 on Feb 3, 2011 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

We discussed that

but I was thinking his new park might be tough to hit in and playing catcher at all might be detrimental to trying to hit .400. He does rake though doesn’t he?

by barryzitoforever on Feb 4, 2011 8:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Mostly Agree

Wholeheartedly agree with #‘s 1, 2 & everything in 4 not related to four-out saves (I just don’t like messing with a pitcher’s arm especially with injury history).

As for #3, I would consider moving Pennington up to #8 for at least the first half of the season, since Ellis usually struggles to start off.

by TnSD11 on Feb 3, 2011 9:11 AM PST reply actions  

As touched on many times.

Batting order doesn’t really matter that much….But I really want to see a Daric Barton in the leadoff spot…80’s Wade Boggs style.

by OnlybuyBeaneJerseys on Feb 3, 2011 9:18 AM PST reply actions  

I think he essentially stopped doing that after June 22nd or so of last year

except in obvious one-run situations (late game, tie ballgame).

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Feb 3, 2011 6:03 PM PST up reply actions  

as far as the 4 inning save

I never understood why your best reliever sits on the pine while the other guys are getting in trouble and let the game get away in the 8th. That is the save situation right there. Maybe this year with a quality bullpen Geren can be more aggresive. Maybe…….

slide! jeremy slide!

by elephantman on Feb 3, 2011 9:19 AM PST reply actions  

The four inning save....

is a bad idea, especially if it’s in the 8th inning! Unless there is a rule change for 12 inning games.

by OnlybuyBeaneJerseys on Feb 3, 2011 9:31 AM PST up reply actions  

lol 12 inning games

Bad pick Peyton "Regular Season" Manning!!!

by Athletic on Feb 3, 2011 9:38 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Saves are such nonsense

The “closer” should really just be in the game at that most critical high-leverage moment, I’m with you there. The one inning of run in from the pen, with no one on crap is irritating.

by dwishinsky on Feb 3, 2011 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

perhaps teams

Should find more guys who can pitch

Bad pick Peyton "Regular Season" Manning!!!

by Athletic on Feb 3, 2011 2:46 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Dennis Eckersley ruined it for all pitchers

I realize the “closer” strategy started a decade earlier, with Quisenberry, et al. but I believe LaRussa’s iron-bound “one-inning-only” rule and the success of the Athletics, 1988-1992, really cemented that strategy in ownership/manager’s minds. Now everyone follows the same one-inning formula regardless. Few, maybe zero, ballclubs possess any HOF-level performers close to Eckersley, but the strategy remains.

Look at the ninth inning PxP of this 1957 World Series, with Warren Spahn on the mound:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/MLN/MLN195710060.shtml

They never took Spahn out! No closer! Braves still won!

Officially awaiting the 2011 MLB season

by One won lost won on Feb 3, 2011 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah, I agree lets roll rich harden for all 9 innings EVERY TIME

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dannycakes can also be called "hipsterbot"

by Future Ed on Feb 3, 2011 7:31 PM PST up reply actions  

you, are on fire sir

I am only pretty on the outside
dannycakes can also be called "hipsterbot"

by Future Ed on Feb 3, 2011 7:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I economized on my post

and perhaps left in a lot of implied philosophy when I mentioned that 1957 World Series game. I don’t advocate the current “one-inning” closer strategy, but I don’t think 1957 examples are worthy of incorporation into a modern MLB modus op, either. I pointed out the 1957 Warren Spahn epic only to show how far differently the pitching strategies used to be executed, in even the most important games, compared to current practices.

The other extremis was this “winner-take-all” moments of the 8th and 9th innings of the 1977 playoffs in Kansas City, here. Uneven results and ultimately, disaster for KC as to how the pitching changes played out.

Officially awaiting the 2011 MLB season

by One won lost won on Feb 8, 2011 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

excellent point

About catchers Geren at times seems stupid

Bad pick Peyton "Regular Season" Manning!!!

by Athletic on Feb 3, 2011 9:36 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

This would make a fun mad-libs.

About [baseball related topic], Geren at times seems [derogatory adjective].

by chrisatsac on Feb 3, 2011 9:46 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

forward to:

geren@ihatejackcust.com

"You ain't got nothin to say, it was perfect" -Dallas Braden, 05/09/10
hell hath no fury like a Cowboys fan scorned. -Leopold Bloom

by MissOakland on Feb 3, 2011 9:54 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

forward to:

geren@ihatejackcust.com

"You ain't got nothin to say, it was perfect" -Dallas Braden, 05/09/10
hell hath no fury like a Cowboys fan scorned. -Leopold Bloom

by MissOakland on Feb 3, 2011 9:54 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Funny

service on bart sucks

"You ain't got nothin to say, it was perfect" -Dallas Braden, 05/09/10
hell hath no fury like a Cowboys fan scorned. -Leopold Bloom

by MissOakland on Feb 4, 2011 5:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Spelling Zook with Powell when Braden throws

I know this was done for a good bit of last year, but can anyone point out a reason why this arrangement shouldn’t be a (provisionally) permanent one?

They seem to work well together (a subjective judgment based on the Perfect game and what I noticed for the rest of the season) maybe due to their Minor League familiarity and lining them up automatically gives Zook every fifth game off.

Maybe someone here has Braden’s splits between the two catchers? Maybe it would be a good idea to mix it up, so Braden builds some rapport with Kurt as well?

by GranolaNerd on Feb 3, 2011 10:19 AM PST reply actions  

Interesting

But even without those numbers I think if Braden likes pitching to Powell, leave him in there once every five days regardless just to give Suzuki regular scheduled rest. On a side note: Any chance Donaldson can win the backup role from Powell? Powell hasn’t been particularly impressive and Donaldson’s power seems like a nice legit threat off the bench.

by dwishinsky on Feb 3, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Including 9 magical innings last May

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-Charles Manson

by kaweahkaweah on Feb 3, 2011 2:22 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

#1 should be a no brainer

funny (sad) that Geren doesn’t get it.

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;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}

by micdog2001 on Feb 3, 2011 11:14 AM PST reply actions  

Why aren't you Oaklands Manager?

All of these things could help get the most out of our talent, and i like it.

by Twan54321 on Feb 3, 2011 11:45 AM PST reply actions  

We should make a petition.

Nico for 2012 Oakland A’s Manager!!

Also, every day could be AN day.

by Twan54321 on Feb 3, 2011 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Nice points, Nico in trying to spare wear and tear and our players. I know most fans are content with the current roster. To veer off of this thread however slightly, I’d like to see us take a stab at Vladimir Guerrero or even Jermaine Dye who is still looking for a major league contract.

by Bubby's Bashers on Feb 3, 2011 12:08 PM PST reply actions  

I love that mystery team B.S.

Like with Vlad it is so transparent. It is February 3rd. You have $8M in hand. The other team only wants to do half that. And the team that wants to do half that is virtually guaranteed to NOT BE A CONTENDER. Doesn’t seem like I’d be sitting around waiting for $8M mystery team to change their mind, I’d sign up. This isnt like Lee where, conceivably a lot of peopel would want him. If the Angels or Blue Jays offered him $8M, both seem more desirable to me than does Baltimore.

by dwishinsky on Feb 3, 2011 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I just dont get why Vlad would sign here when he could play F/T in Baltimore? I don’t believe there IS a mystery team for him. Second, why on earth would anyone want Jermaine Dye, before taking a year off he was a negative WAR player. Now he is crying “why wont anyone give me an MLB deal. pitchers get them!” Like dude was terrible, then he took a year off, is still terrible, and wants a major league deal? Steer clear of that…

by dwishinsky on Feb 3, 2011 1:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Pretty much, I agree with everything Nico said...

except, I’m pretty sure that the A’s have some secret stat (that no one, including anyone on AN is aware of) that shows that playing your front line catcher every day is statistically advantageous.

Okay, well, I do have one other minor difference… I think Ryan Sweeney will out hit every other outfielder on the roster this year.

"... and A-Rod is forced to admit that Dallas got to the Hall of Fame before he did." - en

by FoolshGame22 on Feb 3, 2011 7:39 PM PST reply actions  

Billy Beane has a secret plan to end the hostilities in Egypt

And do you think Sweeney is going to get into a bunch of fights or something? Or is he going to AAA?

I am only pretty on the outside
dannycakes can also be called "hipsterbot"

by Future Ed on Feb 3, 2011 7:43 PM PST up reply actions  

are there hostilities in Egypt?

and, no, I don’t think Sweeney is going to AAA. I think Sweeney will exhibit his talent as a hitter over and above those Beane has recruited to “take” his place.

"... and A-Rod is forced to admit that Dallas got to the Hall of Fame before he did." - en

by FoolshGame22 on Feb 3, 2011 7:46 PM PST reply actions  

coulda sworn I'd hit reply ;-)

"... and A-Rod is forced to admit that Dallas got to the Hall of Fame before he did." - en

by FoolshGame22 on Feb 3, 2011 7:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Interesting fact: The hostilities in Egypt

started with someone not correctly using the reply button.

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by Nico on Feb 3, 2011 8:08 PM PST up reply actions  

hmmm...

you mean, it all could have been avoided?

"... and A-Rod is forced to admit that Dallas got to the Hall of Fame before he did." - en

by FoolshGame22 on Feb 3, 2011 8:09 PM PST up reply actions  

No, but it could've been Previewed.

"You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy."

-Charles Manson

by kaweahkaweah on Feb 3, 2011 9:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, FoolshGame22, it could have.

Oh bollocks, I’ve done it again.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 3, 2011 8:18 PM PST reply actions  

you did that intentionally...

I know how you work.

"... and A-Rod is forced to admit that Dallas got to the Hall of Fame before he did." - en

by FoolshGame22 on Feb 3, 2011 8:21 PM PST reply actions  

The "Oh bollocks, I’ve done it again" before hitting "POST"

might have given that away.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 3, 2011 8:29 PM PST up reply actions  

it did.

"... and A-Rod is forced to admit that Dallas got to the Hall of Fame before he did." - en

by FoolshGame22 on Feb 3, 2011 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Codswollop.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 3, 2011 8:32 PM PST up reply actions  

"bollocks" was a dead giveaway...

Codswallop is just icing on the cake.

"... and A-Rod is forced to admit that Dallas got to the Hall of Fame before he did." - en

by FoolshGame22 on Feb 3, 2011 8:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Now I'm definitely not coming to your next birthday party.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 3, 2011 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Chocolate or vanilla?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Feb 3, 2011 9:08 PM PST up reply actions  

why? you're invited...

great frosting on the cake! December 16, put it on your calendar. Their are at least 4 of my families birthdays that come that month.

"... and A-Rod is forced to admit that Dallas got to the Hall of Fame before he did." - en

by FoolshGame22 on Feb 3, 2011 9:18 PM PST up reply actions  

oops...

the primary mistake of English teachers… “There” I hate myself.

"... and A-Rod is forced to admit that Dallas got to the Hall of Fame before he did." - en

by FoolshGame22 on Feb 3, 2011 9:20 PM PST up reply actions  

There's still a pretty stong chance that Barton is our best hitter this year.

I would not bet against Barton having the highest OPS on the team, or the most WAR.

Buy some class, act like you've been there before.

by PL78 on Feb 3, 2011 9:25 PM PST reply actions  

Bet against it?

I’d bet on it!

"... and A-Rod is forced to admit that Dallas got to the Hall of Fame before he did." - en

by FoolshGame22 on Feb 3, 2011 9:29 PM PST reply actions  

I do have a problem with the Reply button...

"... and A-Rod is forced to admit that Dallas got to the Hall of Fame before he did." - en

by FoolshGame22 on Feb 3, 2011 9:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm just jazzed that we are talking baseball again...

well, still. At least we have more to talk about. And certainly an improved lineup to talk about. Just talking about the added players on the offensive end, Matsui, Willingham, DeJesus are all upgrades. We have some pretty solid hitters now in the 2-5 slots (and hopefully Suzuki rebounds this season!). Looking forward to spring training and preseason games. Especially with football over.I think the A’s are gonna have a great season!

Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!

by FaStRmAn on Feb 7, 2011 9:52 PM PST reply actions  

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