Nico's Guide To Optimal Roster Performance
First off, this post shall not contain ranting about how Rajai Davis should be the 5th OFer and not Conor Jackson, because while everyone within the sound of my keyboard knows I thought Davis made more sense in that role, what's done is done and today I look strictly at the presumed Opening Day roster and how the A's can get the most out of it.
The roster, of course, will be fluid throughout the season as every team goes well beyond the original 25, and I don't have to remind you that the A's have been no exception. I'm just hoping Coco Crisp doesn't break a pinky in the Bay Bridge series and we can at least start with roughly the 25 guys we pencil in.
#1: For the love of God, Kurt Suzuki needs a day of rest no less often than every 7 calendar days, whether or not the schedule provides one. Speaking of God, even HE understood that on the 7th day you rest, so this is not some recent discovery.
I don't know how the A's can be so dumb about this, historically, allowing their catchers to be worn into the ground, when it seems so self-evident that if you allow your backup catcher to play once/week you will get more out of your starting catcher because he won't be utterly exhausted and you will get more out of your backup catcher because he won't be rusty.
So I start with the obvious: Kurt Suzuki should never play on 7 consecutive days, and this practice of giving him regularly scheduled "occasional breathers" should start in April. Note that this rule would only guarantee the A's backup catcher (presumably Landon Powell) all of two starts in April, as the schedule comes with plenty of off-days in it.
#2: Not all the time, but against some LHPs I would like to see Conor Jackson start in LF, with Josh Willingham moving to DH. Jackson is a legitimately good hitter against LHPs (his career slash line is .294/.395/.462) and his value on the roster, as a 5th OFer, is maximized by getting him some at bats against LHPing.
Meanwhile, DHing occasionally will allow Willingham to rest his knees from the wear and tear of playing the OF, making it more likely he holds up over the course of the season. The same is true of giving Hideki Matsui some days off.
I say "not all the time" because if the A's play a 4-game series in which three of the starters are left-handed, Matsui doesn't need to sit three times. But working Willingham into the DH spot a bit, and Jackson into the lineup against LHPs a bit, and resting Matsui a bit are complementary moves of creating a solid lineup while taking care of health over a long season.
Note that Ryan Sweeney fits in much the same way as an occasional breather for Coco Crisp (with David DeJesus sliding to CF), as Crisp does not hit as well against RHP and will undoubtedly benefit from occasional rest. So just as with catcher, I'd like to see the OF and DH spots also used in that "several days on, a day off" rotation, only this time done strategically to create platoon advantages along the way.
#3: Lineup order may not matter a ton, but it's good to get it right and it's a whole lot fun to overanalyze. My thought about lineup order includes a bit of a surprise...
Against RHP, I probably like this order best of all the configurations:
Crisp - CF
Barton - 1B
Matsui - DH
Willingham - LF
DeJesus - RF
Suzuki - C
Kouzmanoff - 3B
Ellis - 2B
Pennington - SS
Against LHP, if these nine start? I say keep the order the same. Why? Because the two guys who hit a lot better against LHPs, Kouzmanoff and Ellis, are bad enough against RHPs that I really don't want them up in the #5 spot, late in the game, against the right-handed bullpen. That's when you're likely to care most about batting order: When your best hitters have just batted, you have two on, maybe one or two out, in the 7th or 8th inning of a close game.
Meanwhile, DeJesus maintains a perfectly good OBP against LHPs (.340 career) and just loses a lot of slugging -- but is definitely the guy you would want up against the righty reliever. So because DeJesus hits LHPs decently, while Kouzmanoff and Ellis really plunge against RHPs -- and aren't even that great against LHPs -- in this particular case I'd be inclined to look ahead to the likelihood of seeing right-handed pitching later in the game anyway, keep Kouz and Ellis down in the order, and opt for more consistency in guys' spots from day to day.
#4: As for the bullpen, so much of who is used will rely on who is available, and that can't be planned ahead much. Suffice it to say, though, there is no excuse for using Michael Wuertz three days in a row, or asking Craig Breslow to throw four days out of five. There are too many "comparable fill-ins" -- Wuertz and Balfour, Breslow and Fuentes, that one can be slotted in to give the other a day off pretty interchangeably.
I will throw this in to the bullpen discussion: I like the four-out save. That one extra out doesn't require too high a pitch load -- a good closer can expect to face about 5-6 hitters, and throw about 20-24 pitches, in a typical four-out save -- and it doesn't get much more "high leverage" than when there is a real threat in the 8th with runners on, two out, and the possibility that if you don't get the next out, that save might not even be there in the 9th.
When I see two on, two out, 8th inning, and my team up a run, I want my best pitcher in there, now. And once he quells that threat, the 9th is a relative piece of cake as it starts with the bases empty. Don't get greedy: If you start stretching that to five-out saves and two-inning saves, you start to play with the health of your most important reliever. The magic number, as I see it, is four. Get the last out of what you hope will be the last crisis, and finish it from there.
With their bullpen, if used properly, the A's are going to shorten a lot of games this year. Provided they don't trip over the rotting corpses of their catcher and their outfielders.
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If you look at their splits...
It’s actually makes more sense for the middle of the order to be reversed. (3-DeJesus, 4-Willingham, 5-Matsui)
by PaulRathert34 on Feb 3, 2011 7:18 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
*It actually
Stupid voice recognition. Lol
by PaulRathert34 on Feb 3, 2011 7:20 AM PST up reply actions
I wouldn't say that
(It can hear you)
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Sometimes I swear it can!
You should see how it mistranslates things and gets me in trouble.
by PaulRathert34 on Feb 3, 2011 6:36 PM PST up reply actions
Paul, you're getting a good start this morning...
At one point in my life I liked Dave Kingman more than Rickey Henderson. I was stupid.
This was my thought as well
But i see the logic in having Matsui’s higher OBP earlier and DeJesus’s contact skills later. There is also the option of moving Willingham to third and having Matsui and Dejesus back to back, but that gives a clear opportunity to be LOOGied, whereas a lefty back to back with Barton does not necessarily do this even though the opposition will likely play it that way anyways.
I might also move Suzuki back just to keep the pressure off until he regains his stroke.
Shouldn't your best overall hitter bat third though?
by PaulRathert34 on Feb 3, 2011 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
Not according to the data
The best hitters should bat 1,2 and 4. with your next best hitter batting either 3rd or 5th. Consensus is 3rd if its a power guy.
This is why I say Crisp, Barton, DDJ or Matsui, Willingham, Matsui or DDJ
I think I wanted DDJ 3rd mostly because of preconceptions (DDJ is more of a #2 hitter and has some speed, Matsui is an RBI guy that usually bats around 5th). Looking at the numbers Matsui at 3rd makes some sense.
In the end it probably doesn’t matter so long as Geren doesn’t deviate too wildly from this.
Barton 2nd is the key in my opinion.
So you would bat Pujols, Bonds, et al 1st or 2nd in the lineup?!
Here are the stats for guys who hit 3rd last season. Most of them are the better hitters on their teams. Cleanup is the power position. What “data” are you referring to?
http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting/_/split/111/sort/atBats/order/true
by PaulRathert34 on Feb 3, 2011 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
Here you go...
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/3/17/795946/optimizing-your-lineup-by
http://www.athleticsnation.com/2010/2/2/1288427/constructing-an-optimal-lineup
In reality, I agree that most teams put their best hitter 3rd… that doesn’t mean it is the best choice… just the popular one.
There are also considerations such as speed early, patience to let the fast guys steal, lefties after a speed guy because a hole opens up by first base when the runner is being held etc etc. I think most of the stats would tell you these things don’t matter that much, but I really don’t know.
I am somewhat inbetween because the numbers say Barton should bat leadoff, but I’d rather him bat second for some of the above reasons.
The only explanations there are about driving in runs.
The #3 hitter isn’t JUST about driving in runs, it’s also about trying to make sure that the top of you’re order doesn’t go 1-2-3 and the inning is over.
Re: the cleanup spot, here is a direct quote:
“The cleanup hitter is the best hitter on the team with power.”
by PaulRathert34 on Feb 3, 2011 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
Why should you make sure your order doesn't go 1-2-3?
The biggest knock against the #3 spot (and why it should go to your fourth or fifth best hitter) is because it comes up with two outs WAY more than any other spot. Why would you want to waste your best hitter when he’s always batting with 2 outs?
It's in the actual The Book.
But I’m fairly sure bits and pieces have been put on the internet at some point. Not sure if it’s on Tango’s website.
Yep
The batting-order study in that book is almost obsessive in its attention to detail. They’ve got it down to the level of moves that make a difference of a handful of runs in a season. Everyone should read that study.
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That is as true as it is irrelevant to anything being discussed.
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The point I'm trying to make is that if the 3 hitter gets on
then your team is still hitting. If you go down 1-2-3, you are in the field. Your best hitter is in that spot not JUST to drive in runs.
by PaulRathert34 on Feb 4, 2011 7:56 AM PST up reply actions
Yes, but you can score runs if your #4 hitter
leads off the next inning by getting on base. In fact you’re more likely to than you are if your #3 hitter gets on base with two out and the bases empty.
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If you're playing baseball...
and you’re in the dugout in the first inning, what would you rather have happen after your leadoff and #2 hitter get out?:
Your #3 hitter get out
OR
Your #3 hitter get on and let the chips fall where they may with your cleanup hitter and any other hitter that may end up hitting that inning.
by PaulRathert34 on Feb 4, 2011 9:12 AM PST up reply actions
If he's my best hitter,
I’d probably rather see him leadoff the next inning than see him come up with two out and nobody on. I wouldn’t mind seeing my “feast or famine guy” (e.g., Chris Carter) get a shot, though.
Kind of why I don’t like to see Andrew Bailey summoned in the 9th inning of a game the A’s are trailing 6-2. Yes, bringing him in gives us the best chance to win, but there’s a game tomorrow too.
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To clarify, by "him lead off" u mean ur cleanup guy, right?
Cuz in the scenario I proposed ur #3 hitter would be up with 2 outs and would be your best hitter.
by PaulRathert34 on Feb 4, 2011 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
I always forget: Is it ur or u'r?
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Obviously, I'd rather have my #3 hitter get on base, than make an out.
But that’s, again, irrelevant to this discussion. If you have the opportunity to stack the lineup before knowing what will happen, you wouldn’t put your best hitter in a spot that always comes up with 2 outs.
Well, half the time (when the leadoff batter leads off)
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by LoneStranger on Feb 3, 2011 7:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
THAT'S AN OPINION!!!!
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Oh I stand corrected.
They’re real — and they’re spectacular.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I doubt any modern politician...
would have the courage to grow a pair like that!
"... and A-Rod is forced to admit that Dallas got to the Hall of Fame before he did." - en
The other thing to remember is that if you make these changes...
these numbers change with them. You can’t just say change your lineup this way and expect the data which you’ve collected to stay the same. Statistics are fluid and change based on their data sample. If you analyzed data with these proposed changes, then the results may say something completely different.
Thank you for bringing up this book though. I have no idea how I’ve never heard about it. I’ll have to check it out.
by PaulRathert34 on Feb 3, 2011 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
Statheads would tell you that where a batter hits should not impact his performance
And we aren’t worried about individual Rs and RBIs, but team performance. wOBA is wOBA whether its batting leadoff or cleanup. You can believe that or not… I still believe a little bit in lineup protection, but not to the degree I did before so many people enlightened me to the alternative point of view.
I’m not saying this is gospel… its just a line of thought with some good support. If we had Pujols, I might suggest batting him third just because.
I COMPLETELY agree Pujols should bat third. No matter what lineup he's in. imho
by PaulRathert34 on Feb 3, 2011 6:42 PM PST up reply actions
I VERY COMPLETELY disagree
Isn’t this fun?
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by WaddellCanseco on Feb 3, 2011 7:38 PM PST up reply actions
I TOTALLY COMPLETELY don't disagree with WC
it is
I am only pretty on the outside
dannycakes can also be called "hipsterbot"
Read the book you just said you'd check out...
THEN see if you would continue to argue against the math/science/logic that everybody else is using. Just because the “three-hole” has traditionally been where the “best hitter” is penciled in doesn’t mean it’s the best spot for him in real life.
The point I'm trying to make, and correct me if they address this...
but if you were to bat guys where they suggest, wouldn’t the results that they’ve obtained logically change because the lineups that produced those results changed?
But yes, I will check it out. I completely understand where you guys are coming from and what everyone is talking about, I just don’t see how the statistics will remain a constant if you drastically change the order (to me batting Pujols 1st or 2nd is a drastic change from 3rd or cleanup. Cleanup I don’t have much of a problem with, but I can’t see ever batting him 1st or 2nd).
by PaulRathert34 on Feb 7, 2011 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
I like Barton #2
But what about having him #1? I know it isn’t prototypical but with the amount of pitches he sees and the high OBP having him at the top would mean more scoring opportunities.
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Maybe they avoid it because a high OBP before your #3 hitter is better than having someone between them that could GIDP?
by PaulRathert34 on Feb 3, 2011 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
I'd slot someone like Crisp in second though
So, I think he coudl avoid a GIDP
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he grounded in to 6 in 290 plate appearances
Barton 8 in 556
I am only pretty on the outside
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those are ABs
328
686 are the PAs
I am only pretty on the outside
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I suppose at some point you run into GIDPs no matter what right?
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No, you RUN into "strike out DPs"
You hit into GIDPs.
One of the conditions that is ripe for GIDPs is hitting the ball hard. That’s why excellent hitters like Boggs, Gwynn, Brett, Mauer and so on can hit over .350, and aren’t particularly slow, but also can’t avoid GIDPs especially well.
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If there is a will theres a way to run into any type of double play you want!
Thats a really good point re: GIDPs. I guess what I am just trying to argue, is there is always going to be a candidate for GIDPs in a lineup. I’m not sure theres a surefire method to reduce them in a lineup as a whole (unless changing the composition of players you have – i.e. everyone is very fast?)
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Yeah, DPs mean guys on base and guys hitting the ball,
so it’s not all bad — just comes with the territory, to some degree.
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you could sign guys that don't hit into DPs
A guy with high strickout totals, lots of walks Good OBP, maybey a few HRs.
I am only pretty on the outside
dannycakes can also be called "hipsterbot"
CUSTY!!!!!!!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I think I would have it like this:
Barton
Willingham
DeJesus
Matsui
Crisp
Suzuki
Ellis
Kouz
Pennington
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
You're never allowed to make my lineup. :-)
by PaulRathert34 on Feb 3, 2011 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
Hm, on second thought...
Move Ellis behind Crisp, and Suzuki to eighth, behind Kouzmanoff.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
This is the way I'd do it (I mentioned it in a previous post I wrote too):
Crisp
Barton
DeJesus
Willingham
Matsui
Kouzmanoff (until Suzuki gets his groove back, then flip them)
Suzuki
Ellis
Pennington
by PaulRathert34 on Feb 3, 2011 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
that is more likely to happen but
I think Geren will flip DeJesus and Willinham and suzuki before Matsui
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Too bad Wimblerly isn't in it.
He’d flip.
by LoneStranger on Feb 3, 2011 7:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Is it just me... or does that look like a really...
weak lineup? I could be wrong. Maybe we’ll run the opposition to death, but…
"... and A-Rod is forced to admit that Dallas got to the Hall of Fame before he did." - en
It's probably average if everyone stays healthy
and there’s no….nasty surprises.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
well, I suppose we have depth...
for those inevitable nasty surprises. I think that is one advantage of Beane’s strategy.
"... and A-Rod is forced to admit that Dallas got to the Hall of Fame before he did." - en
It's really not.
I don’t know if you realize how good DeJesus and Willingham’s bats are…but they’re good.
Willingham yes....DeJesus...eh
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
DeJesus isn't Campy and...
Willingham isn’t Reggie. Perhaps, that is why this lineup looks weak to me. But, of course, that is probably an unfair comparison.
"... and A-Rod is forced to admit that Dallas got to the Hall of Fame before he did." - en
With the Marcel Projections,
Lineup Simulator says 4.19 runs/game.
Avg Runs Per Game: 4.19 Runs For 162 Games: 678 Order Name G RBI R 1 Coco Crisp 150 64 89 2 Daric Barton 150 69 76 3 David DeJesus 150 84 75 4 Josh Willingham 150 87 79 5 Hideki Matsui 150 82 68 6 Kurt Suzuki 150 65 60 7 Kevin Kouzmanoff150 67 60 8 Mark Ellis 150 54 56 9 Cliff Pennington150 50 61
yay!
This is the most “Bookian” lineup I can think of, without resorting to detrimental stuff like 3 lefties in a row.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
Regarding 4-out saves
The pitcher also has to throw more warm-up pitches, which I don’t think is a good thing. It limits how often you can use him.
"Today, I am the greatest of all time" - Rickey Henderson
I believe
her premise is that if we’re up by the margin of 1-3 runs, then the closer is already warming up.
It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.
Wait Nico is a girl now?
He means there would be warm out pitches for a 4 out save because you warm up to come in and then warm up again for the 9th inning.
by Athletix Man on Feb 3, 2011 11:36 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
8 pitches
I’d elaborate, but my ovaries are killing me.
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haha
my bad Nico. one of those things where you automatically designate gender based on handle. I always thought the handle was short for “Nicole”.
It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.
Well, he *is* short
.
PxP: Self-promotion - How it works, Bunting, Pitch Counts, Managing, Run Expectancy, Streaks, Coors Effect, Cust vs. Matsui
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All this sounds fine to me. I don't even care if Matsui sits 3 times vs lefties
For that matter I wouldn’t care if he sat out against every lefty they faced this season. If used this way, Jackson might actually turn out rather useful….maybe.
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i vote we just
push Beane & Wolf during the next interview to add Nico to the bench as Assistant Manager in charge of player health management.
It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.
This new Thursday guy sucks. Where's my history lesson?
*wink*smiley face*hug*grope*etc
I'm here to talk about the past.
Randomly
Coco Crisp shared this from the Mo’Nique Show: http://yfrog.com/gzwbqwaj
Last of the Ninth - Photography
Can't disagree with any of it.
A lot of this seems fairly obvious (ahem…Kurt), but it needs to be said anyway.
I still don't get if resting Kurt is so obvious to everyone else on the frickin' planet...
Why isn’t it obvious to Bob?!?!?
At one point in my life I liked Dave Kingman more than Rickey Henderson. I was stupid.
When I looked at Mauer's stats
I was amazed to see he only catches about 110 games per year. No wonder he hit .365. Of course I don’t expect that much out of Zooks, but it looks pretty obvious he could do better with more days off.
by barryzitoforever on Feb 3, 2011 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
We discussed that
but I was thinking his new park might be tough to hit in and playing catcher at all might be detrimental to trying to hit .400. He does rake though doesn’t he?
by barryzitoforever on Feb 4, 2011 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
Mostly Agree
Wholeheartedly agree with #‘s 1, 2 & everything in 4 not related to four-out saves (I just don’t like messing with a pitcher’s arm especially with injury history).
As for #3, I would consider moving Pennington up to #8 for at least the first half of the season, since Ellis usually struggles to start off.
As touched on many times.
Batting order doesn’t really matter that much….But I really want to see a Daric Barton in the leadoff spot…80’s Wade Boggs style.
by OnlybuyBeaneJerseys on Feb 3, 2011 9:18 AM PST reply actions
good idea with a side benefit
It cuts way down on his bunts.
by vk on Feb 3, 2011 4:45 PM PST up reply actions
I think he essentially stopped doing that after June 22nd or so of last year
except in obvious one-run situations (late game, tie ballgame).
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as far as the 4 inning save
I never understood why your best reliever sits on the pine while the other guys are getting in trouble and let the game get away in the 8th. That is the save situation right there. Maybe this year with a quality bullpen Geren can be more aggresive. Maybe…….
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The four inning save....
is a bad idea, especially if it’s in the 8th inning! Unless there is a rule change for 12 inning games.
by OnlybuyBeaneJerseys on Feb 3, 2011 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
lol 12 inning games
Bad pick Peyton "Regular Season" Manning!!!
by Athletic on Feb 3, 2011 9:38 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Saves are such nonsense
The “closer” should really just be in the game at that most critical high-leverage moment, I’m with you there. The one inning of run in from the pen, with no one on crap is irritating.
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perhaps teams
Should find more guys who can pitch
Bad pick Peyton "Regular Season" Manning!!!
by Athletic on Feb 3, 2011 2:46 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Dennis Eckersley ruined it for all pitchers
I realize the “closer” strategy started a decade earlier, with Quisenberry, et al. but I believe LaRussa’s iron-bound “one-inning-only” rule and the success of the Athletics, 1988-1992, really cemented that strategy in ownership/manager’s minds. Now everyone follows the same one-inning formula regardless. Few, maybe zero, ballclubs possess any HOF-level performers close to Eckersley, but the strategy remains.
Look at the ninth inning PxP of this 1957 World Series, with Warren Spahn on the mound:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/MLN/MLN195710060.shtml
They never took Spahn out! No closer! Braves still won!
Officially awaiting the 2011 MLB season
by One won lost won on Feb 3, 2011 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
yeah, I agree lets roll rich harden for all 9 innings EVERY TIME
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I economized on my post
and perhaps left in a lot of implied philosophy when I mentioned that 1957 World Series game. I don’t advocate the current “one-inning” closer strategy, but I don’t think 1957 examples are worthy of incorporation into a modern MLB modus op, either. I pointed out the 1957 Warren Spahn epic only to show how far differently the pitching strategies used to be executed, in even the most important games, compared to current practices.
The other extremis was this “winner-take-all” moments of the 8th and 9th innings of the 1977 playoffs in Kansas City, here. Uneven results and ultimately, disaster for KC as to how the pitching changes played out.
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by One won lost won on Feb 8, 2011 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
excellent point
About catchers Geren at times seems stupid
Bad pick Peyton "Regular Season" Manning!!!
by Athletic on Feb 3, 2011 9:36 AM PST via mobile reply actions
This would make a fun mad-libs.
About [baseball related topic], Geren at times seems [derogatory adjective].
by chrisatsac on Feb 3, 2011 9:46 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
forward to:
"You ain't got nothin to say, it was perfect" -Dallas Braden, 05/09/10
hell hath no fury like a Cowboys fan scorned. -Leopold Bloom
by MissOakland on Feb 3, 2011 9:54 AM PST via mobile reply actions
forward to:
"You ain't got nothin to say, it was perfect" -Dallas Braden, 05/09/10
hell hath no fury like a Cowboys fan scorned. -Leopold Bloom
by MissOakland on Feb 3, 2011 9:54 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Funny
service on bart sucks
"You ain't got nothin to say, it was perfect" -Dallas Braden, 05/09/10
hell hath no fury like a Cowboys fan scorned. -Leopold Bloom
Spelling Zook with Powell when Braden throws
I know this was done for a good bit of last year, but can anyone point out a reason why this arrangement shouldn’t be a (provisionally) permanent one?
They seem to work well together (a subjective judgment based on the Perfect game and what I noticed for the rest of the season) maybe due to their Minor League familiarity and lining them up automatically gives Zook every fifth game off.
Maybe someone here has Braden’s splits between the two catchers? Maybe it would be a good idea to mix it up, so Braden builds some rapport with Kurt as well?
For what it's worth, in an admittedly small sample size (84 innings)
Braden has a .584 OPS with Powell, and a .732 with Suzuki.
Interesting
But even without those numbers I think if Braden likes pitching to Powell, leave him in there once every five days regardless just to give Suzuki regular scheduled rest. On a side note: Any chance Donaldson can win the backup role from Powell? Powell hasn’t been particularly impressive and Donaldson’s power seems like a nice legit threat off the bench.
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Including 9 magical innings last May
"You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy."
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by kaweahkaweah on Feb 3, 2011 2:22 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
#1 should be a no brainer
funny (sad) that Geren doesn’t get it.
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Why aren't you Oaklands Manager?
All of these things could help get the most out of our talent, and i like it.
Nice points, Nico in trying to spare wear and tear and our players. I know most fans are content with the current roster. To veer off of this thread however slightly, I’d like to see us take a stab at Vladimir Guerrero or even Jermaine Dye who is still looking for a major league contract.
by Bubby's Bashers on Feb 3, 2011 12:08 PM PST reply actions
I love that mystery team B.S.
Like with Vlad it is so transparent. It is February 3rd. You have $8M in hand. The other team only wants to do half that. And the team that wants to do half that is virtually guaranteed to NOT BE A CONTENDER. Doesn’t seem like I’d be sitting around waiting for $8M mystery team to change their mind, I’d sign up. This isnt like Lee where, conceivably a lot of peopel would want him. If the Angels or Blue Jays offered him $8M, both seem more desirable to me than does Baltimore.
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I just dont get why Vlad would sign here when he could play F/T in Baltimore? I don’t believe there IS a mystery team for him. Second, why on earth would anyone want Jermaine Dye, before taking a year off he was a negative WAR player. Now he is crying “why wont anyone give me an MLB deal. pitchers get them!” Like dude was terrible, then he took a year off, is still terrible, and wants a major league deal? Steer clear of that…
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i would take a flyer on him
For cheap
Bad pick Peyton "Regular Season" Manning!!!
by Athletic on Feb 3, 2011 2:56 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Pretty much, I agree with everything Nico said...
except, I’m pretty sure that the A’s have some secret stat (that no one, including anyone on AN is aware of) that shows that playing your front line catcher every day is statistically advantageous.
Okay, well, I do have one other minor difference… I think Ryan Sweeney will out hit every other outfielder on the roster this year.
"... and A-Rod is forced to admit that Dallas got to the Hall of Fame before he did." - en
Billy Beane has a secret plan to end the hostilities in Egypt
And do you think Sweeney is going to get into a bunch of fights or something? Or is he going to AAA?
I am only pretty on the outside
dannycakes can also be called "hipsterbot"
are there hostilities in Egypt?
and, no, I don’t think Sweeney is going to AAA. I think Sweeney will exhibit his talent as a hitter over and above those Beane has recruited to “take” his place.
"... and A-Rod is forced to admit that Dallas got to the Hall of Fame before he did." - en
coulda sworn I'd hit reply ;-)
"... and A-Rod is forced to admit that Dallas got to the Hall of Fame before he did." - en
Interesting fact: The hostilities in Egypt
started with someone not correctly using the reply button.
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hmmm...
you mean, it all could have been avoided?
"... and A-Rod is forced to admit that Dallas got to the Hall of Fame before he did." - en
No, but it could've been Previewed.
"You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy."
-Charles Manson
Yes, FoolshGame22, it could have.
Oh bollocks, I’ve done it again.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
you did that intentionally...
I know how you work.
"... and A-Rod is forced to admit that Dallas got to the Hall of Fame before he did." - en
The "Oh bollocks, I’ve done it again" before hitting "POST"
might have given that away.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Codswollop.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
"bollocks" was a dead giveaway...
Codswallop is just icing on the cake.
"... and A-Rod is forced to admit that Dallas got to the Hall of Fame before he did." - en
Now I'm definitely not coming to your next birthday party.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Chocolate or vanilla?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
why? you're invited...
great frosting on the cake! December 16, put it on your calendar. Their are at least 4 of my families birthdays that come that month.
"... and A-Rod is forced to admit that Dallas got to the Hall of Fame before he did." - en
oops...
the primary mistake of English teachers… “There” I hate myself.
"... and A-Rod is forced to admit that Dallas got to the Hall of Fame before he did." - en
There's still a pretty stong chance that Barton is our best hitter this year.
I would not bet against Barton having the highest OPS on the team, or the most WAR.
Buy some class, act like you've been there before.
i suspect it'll be matsui or willingham, but no i wouldn't bet against it. wouldn't bet for it either.
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Bet against it?
I’d bet on it!
"... and A-Rod is forced to admit that Dallas got to the Hall of Fame before he did." - en
I do have a problem with the Reply button...
"... and A-Rod is forced to admit that Dallas got to the Hall of Fame before he did." - en
I'm just jazzed that we are talking baseball again...
well, still. At least we have more to talk about. And certainly an improved lineup to talk about. Just talking about the added players on the offensive end, Matsui, Willingham, DeJesus are all upgrades. We have some pretty solid hitters now in the 2-5 slots (and hopefully Suzuki rebounds this season!). Looking forward to spring training and preseason games. Especially with football over.I think the A’s are gonna have a great season!
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