Dare to Dream: Pujols in Green & Gold
This article is about a fantasy. A fantasy most of us only get to experience with an Xbox 360 or a PS3 controller in our hands: Albert Pujols in an A’s jersey. He has been arguably the best hitter in baseball over the last decade, at least the best right-handed hitter, and will potentially be a free agent after this season. He is currently embroiled in tumultuous contract negotiations with the Cardinals and has said that he will not talk deal once the season starts. The whole situation made me ask myself, "What if…?"
Before I try to justify the fantasy (delusion?), let’s look at some of Prince Albert’s numbers during his 10 seasons:
- His WAR has been above 7 nine times
- Of his 10 hitter comparisons through age 30, seven are current Hall of Famers, one (Ken Griffey Jr.) is a surefire 1st-ballot inductee and another (Manny Ramirez) will be there one day as well
- His most similar comparisons by age have been Joe DiMaggio and Jimmie Foxx
- His OBP has been over .400 nine times, he has hit over 30 home runs each year and more than 40 in six of them
- From 2000-2010 he is 1st in WAR, 2nd in home runs, 3rd in OBP, and 2nd in OPS
These numbers help to quantify what you should already know: Albert Pujols is very, very good. Every team would love to have him. If he becomes available, why couldn’t the A’s make a play for him? It’s been apparent this offseason that Billy Beane has had more money to spend than usual. He reportedly made offers of: 5 yrs/$64 million to Adrian Beltre, 4 yrs/$15.25 million to Hisashi Iwakuma (not including the $19.1 million posting fee), and a rumored 1 yr/$7 million to Lance Berkman. If you divide the posting fee evenly across the 4 years of the proposed offer to Iwakuma, here is the yearly breakdown those contracts would’ve totaled:
Year 1: $28.3 million
Years 2-4: $21.4 million
Year 5: $12.8 million
Pujols is reportedly seeking a contract worth an average of between $28-30 million/year. The A’s appear to have a significant portion of that available, at least for the next four years. Another factor in the negotiations is that several of the main big spenders would likely be out of the running. The Yankees and Red Sox have Mark Teixeira and Adrian Gonzalez, respectively, and are set at first base for the next several years. Theoretically they won’t be in the mix to drive his price up. The Dodgers are another large market team that would likely be out due to the situation with their owners, the McCourts. The Mets owners are handcuffed by the fallout from the Madoff scandal and would likely be out as well. These situations should significantly benefit any teams negotiating with Pujols.
The main thing adding fuel to this fantasy fire is the stadium issue. The A’s have been trying, albeit unsuccessfully, to locate a site for a new stadium over the past several years. There has been a lot of controversy surrounding this situation (territorial rights, feasibility of building in Downtown Oakland, etc.), but one thing is certain: the A’s need to have an established, marketable star when the stadium opens. The fans need at least one player that will bring them out to games. Who better than a future Hall of Famer chasing significant career accomplishments? Stop me if you’ve heard this one before…
AT&T/Pac Bell Park broke ground in December, 1997 and opened just over three years later in March, 2000. When it opened, the Giants had a roster headlined by Jeff Kent and Barry Bonds. Kent had established himself as an elite offensive 2nd baseman after being acquired by the Giants in 1997. Bonds was only a season away from hitting his 500th home run and would continue to reach milestones that brought fans out in droves. Coincidentally, Pujols is likely just over three seasons away from his 500th home run, which would make him the 26th player to accomplish the feat. Playing DH should help extend his career and if he were able to play long enough, he could become only the 9th player to hit 600 home runs (Jim Thome should hit the 11 home runs he needs this season to make him #8). Imagine Pujols reaching these milestones in a brand new stadium, in an A’s jersey. (It made me smile just typing that sentence.) Pujols also provides another marketing avenue that Bonds didn’t: his positive off the field persona. He has a reputation as being one of the most charitable players in the game. You also have to take into account how much better Pujols would make his teammates with his insight and approach.
If the stadium situation is rectified within the next calendar year, then it’s possible that it could open for the 2015 season and be used as a selling point in any negotiation. If Pujols becomes a free agent and the A’s are able to sign him to a seven or eight year deal ranging from $196-240 million, then he would be in the fourth year of the deal at age 35 and have four years remaining. The contract would end the season after Pujols turns 39. Again using Bonds as an example, his last elite season was at age 39 (though he did have two good years at 41 and 42). Pujols could possibly be approaching 700 home runs at the end of the contract and would likely have been a full-time DH for several years. This could help him play into his 40s. Maybe an option year or two could even be included in the deal to insure that if he reaches that level, he does it as an Athletic.
Granted the money isn’t mine and none of this makes fiscal sense immediately considering the A’s have an opening day payroll for this season of just over $62 million. A deal with Pujols would mean that one player was taking up about 33% of the entire team’s payroll for the foreseeable future. Wasn’t Eric Chavez’s deal putting the team in a similar position when he wasn’t even playing? If Pujols helps draw larger crowds, and thus draws more revenue, isn’t he helping to pay for himself? The A’s haven’t had a good all-around hitter come out of their minor league system in over a decade. They haven’t had a good in-house power hitter come up since Swisher in 2005 and he was traded two seasons later. Meanwhile, Carlos Gonzalez, Andre Ethier, and Nelson Cruz are all playing outfield for other teams and producing good offensive numbers.
Maybe something crazy and out-of-the-box happening is a possibility. Maybe it’s even a necessity if we want to win a World Series. The team across the Bay just did. Do we really want to listen to their gloating until the A’s finally find the perfect combination of young talent and free agents willing to play in McAfee Coliseum that puts them over the top? Pujols would be a franchise player for the better part of a decade. A player that we haven’t had since Giambi, Tejada, and Chavez were all together. Maybe even since the Bash Brothers were around. There would finally be another era to add to Oakland A’s lore. That’s what makes a fantasy a fantasy. We can dream as big and as unrealistic as we want to. Now where’s my controller at…?
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Fun to dream but...
Bonds numbers were likely inflated by steroids. What if Pujols follows the trajectory more of a Ken Griffey Jr? Also though he has been durable Pujols has been playing thru elbow pain. I’d hate to have 25% locked into a guy and have him be a hobbled unproductive 39 year old part time DH.
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by dwishinsky on Feb 2, 2011 6:48 PM PST via mobile reply actions
But
you have to remember that Pujols has yet to show any signs of regression.
by PaulRathert34 on Feb 2, 2011 8:52 PM PST up reply actions
You're betting on "yet"
I dont think we can afford to make that bet.
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I wouldn't sign Pujols
I mean if all things were equal and money was not an object would I sign him to a big four year deal? Sure. But not anythign that keeps him here that long at such a high percentage of payroll
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I dont understand the question about 25% of the payroll part.
I’d let almost any superstar player be 25% of the payroll, Beane’s awesome at finding cheap talent and wouldn’t have to worry about signing free agent busts all the time.
Buy some class, act like you've been there before.
Ya I actually want a superstar to take up a big part of the budget so Beane won't be tempted to
to acquire Kendall, Loaiza, Rhodes and Piazza.
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by WaddellCanseco on Feb 3, 2011 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
It really is the best possible thing that could happen around here.
David Wright needs to be in the green+gold.
Buy some class, act like you've been there before.
That sounded negative
I really enjoyed your post! :D
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by dwishinsky on Feb 2, 2011 6:49 PM PST via mobile reply actions
But
you have to remember that Pujols has yet to show any signs of regression.
by PaulRathert34 on Feb 2, 2011 8:48 PM PST up reply actions
No offense, but I wouldn't even bother thinking about this.
"We don't see things as they are, we see things as we are."
~ Anais Nin
Pessimist.
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by WaddellCanseco on Feb 2, 2011 7:08 PM PST up reply actions
OMG
Stop criticizing people’s ideas, you stathead meanie!
God, it’s like no one can get a half-baked idea in edgewise around here.
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by PaulThomas on Feb 2, 2011 9:32 PM PST up reply actions 7 recs
I heart PT
Waiting for mikev to write my new sigline
by OptimistPrime on Feb 3, 2011 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
The A's will get Pujols in 2021 to DH.
But seriously, folks....
by Mr. Brian on Feb 2, 2011 7:10 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
I'm all for this. Give him $35M/year for 8 years for all I care.
It’s payback for McGwire.
I doubt the Yankees or Red Sox are out of the running though. They both have the DH position open for Adrian Gonzalez and Mark Teixeira. Those guys are under contract and can move to accomodate Albert.
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Is 35 million/8 worth it considering the upgrade over Barton?
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
We can trade him back to the Cardinals for Rasmus.
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by WaddellCanseco on Feb 2, 2011 7:56 PM PST up reply actions
I think...
it would be more like 30 million over 8, and yes it is when ur getting a future HOFer.
by PaulRathert34 on Feb 2, 2011 8:28 PM PST up reply actions
For the marquee players
The Yankees and the Red Sox are never out.
by OnlybuyBeaneJerseys on Feb 3, 2011 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
How
do would you make A-Gon or Teixeira happy while trying to make Pujols happy too. I don’t think any of the three want to play DH. The former’s contracts make them pretty much untradeable.
by PaulRathert34 on Feb 3, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
You trade them and pay a good chunk of their salary for them to play elsewhere
They have the means to do it. Or you just bench them. NY has done it before when theyve signed a billion pitchers then paid Kei Igawa who knows how much to pitch for Scranton. (only example that came to mind immediately – not the best I know)
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You think that is realistic though? Especially with what the Sox gave up to get Gonzalez.
by PaulRathert34 on Feb 3, 2011 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
Pujols is the best player in baseball and a marketable star. They can trade Gonzalez he’d be a marketable trade chip. I dont think anything is outside the realm of possibility. Look New York got A-Rod when Jeter was their starting SS and got him to move. Anything can happen with those two teams.
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This
If somebody’s the best, you can find positions for them. You can trade the 5 WAR because you got a 7 WAR player. There also could be injuries. There could be anything.
Yankees/Red Sox are always players in the biggest contracts because they can exploit the opportunity or teams can’t. Much in the same way the big stack will play a lot of hands at a poker table.
They also can continue to build their brand which centers around superstar athletes.
by OnlybuyBeaneJerseys on Feb 3, 2011 2:39 PM PST up reply actions
I guess personally I just don't see it happening.
by PaulRathert34 on Feb 3, 2011 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
But you think the A's signing him is totally realistic?
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by WaddellCanseco on Feb 3, 2011 6:26 PM PST up reply actions
No, that's a dream.
They are two completely separate topics. I’m saying, the A’s getting him being completely out of the question, that I don’t see either the Yankees or Red Sox signing him.
by PaulRathert34 on Feb 3, 2011 6:35 PM PST up reply actions
How
do would you make A-Gon or Teixeira happy while trying to make Pujols happy too. I don’t think any of the three want to play DH. The former’s contracts make them pretty much untradeable.
by PaulRathert34 on Feb 3, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
Can we just give it up about Carlos already?
Many of us (including myself) have/had man-crushes on him and hated to see him go, but… he’s gone. And really… he’s not THAT good.
Plus, Taylor is going to be a really good big leaguer someday. (I hope and pray…)
At one point in my life I liked Dave Kingman more than Rickey Henderson. I was stupid.
I was with you till you said Taylor is going to be a really good big leaguer someday
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by WaddellCanseco on Feb 2, 2011 7:57 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I wrote it kinda tongue-in-cheek...
but I still have hope that last year was just a little bump in the road and he’ll mash this year. I will be bummed if he doesn’t ultimately pan out…
At one point in my life I liked Dave Kingman more than Rickey Henderson. I was stupid.
ya lets stopping talking Cargo and talk about getting Pujols
Lets throw in Timmy and Hanley in there too.
I will pound Beane until I’m dead about Cargo
Lance "you sunk my" Blankenship
Who's Timmy? The guy Lassie rescued from the mine shaft?
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by WaddellCanseco on Feb 2, 2011 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
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by EddieVegas_NRAF on Feb 2, 2011 11:54 PM PST up reply actions
I'm still on the Taylor bandwagon.
He’s a smart ballplayer and I have to believe he finds a way to put it together. I’ll take a few 20/20 seasons.
by PaulRathert34 on Feb 2, 2011 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
Unfortunately, smart doesn't fix your swing.
I like smart guys, but I honestly think smartness is less useful in baseball than in almost any other team sport.
Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.
In ways it could
The more you think, the more likely you are to overthink in a sport where a lot of it is based on simply reacting, especially hitting.
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True
I was thinking along the lines of smarts translating into research and film study. You’re point is a good one.
by PaulRathert34 on Feb 3, 2011 9:06 AM PST up reply actions
I'm pretty convinced it's an active detriment for hitters
By the by, that might explain part of why catchers hit so badly. Thinking is actually a part of their job description in the field, but being smart enough to call a game also means you might be smart enough to psych yourself out at the plate.
This is completely unprovable, of course.
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I'm going to disagree
I think catchers hit badly because catching wears them out. Stand up squat standup squat. Get hit by foul tips. Wear all that gear on a hot day. Run to the backstop to get a wp or a pb. I think the idea of a smart baseball player is different than the idea of a smart scientist. We don’t need the players contemplating string theory out there but guys like Ted Williams and Tony Gwynn and greg maddux succeeded based on a lot of thought about what they wanted to do. Even Nick Swisher who when quoted will not be confused with Nils Bohr, really runs the bases well. He knows what his limits are. He doesn’t dive for balls he can’t catch. He makes good judgement about every decision he makes out there. He never seems to make a mental mistake. Maybe I’m thr only one who noticed. But he plays very smart baseball.
by barryzitoforever on Feb 3, 2011 8:55 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
i can't imagine being a catcher
just because of the squatting. i can imagine it a little bit more these days because they use those wedges between the hamstring and the calf, and in general the equipment is more comfortable and lightweight, but still. i don’t know how guys who are starters (big league or minor) for 10 years can walk afterward.
BK: This guy is on fire, he is really smokin'.
KenKo: Oh yeah, Bill? What's he smokin'?
Meh
Smart or not-so-smart, catchers are probably spending a disproportionate amount of time thinking about game-calling and catching mechanics and working on that than they do their own hitting (and rightfully so). It’s simply a use-it-or-lose it sort of thing, IMO.
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by cuppingmaster on Feb 4, 2011 7:24 AM PST up reply actions
As I think about the great hitters I've seen
None of them come off as especially dumb to me, with a few exceptions. Of course, I have no way of proving this, either.
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He always struck me as seeming to be borderline retarded
in the literal, low-IQ sense.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Mark McGwire doesn't strike me as a rocket scientist either
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by WaddellCanseco on Feb 5, 2011 8:04 PM PST up reply actions
yes
actually, quite possibly, high function mental retardation. And it isn’t just his poor English. It’s like he really has no idea where he is half the time.
I agree
Manny seems borderline retarded. His success shows maybe intelligence is not a prerequisite for hitting success. But it doesn’t actually show intelligence is a problem for hitting.
by barryzitoforever on Feb 8, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
You really need to start commenting on other people's posts.
Posting as much as you do without commenting on anything else is rather annoying.
by Rebuilding Season on Feb 2, 2011 7:37 PM PST reply actions
That's funny...
I thought the same thing.
At one point in my life I liked Dave Kingman more than Rickey Henderson. I was stupid.
I didn't realize commenting was a requirement...
I don’t just say something for the sake of saying something. I haven’t read anything comment-worthy lately, but I understand where you’re coming from so I’ll work on it. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
by PaulRathert34 on Feb 2, 2011 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
It's not a "requirement" per se
but it’s in bad taste to only post and never comment. It makes one come off as someone who only wants to talk and never actually engage in discussion with others.
by Rebuilding Season on Feb 2, 2011 8:57 PM PST up reply actions
I understand it more now.
I’ll try to be more engaged. I do have to find something interesting to comment on it though. I will also reply to comments on my posts. I am trying to make it to the front page so I’d like to get as many followers as possible. I am trying to figure out how certain posts get tons of comments while others, that appear more relevant to the topic of the A’s, don’t. I’m new, so I’ll get the feel of things. I do appreciate your honest feedback. Thank you.
by PaulRathert34 on Feb 2, 2011 9:05 PM PST up reply actions
It's not so much your fault, as it is the site's.
It might be a good idea for the site to make that a bit more clear to newcomers.
Well...
I appreciate people helping me out. Like I said, I’m trying to get enough of a following to make it to the front page. I’ve made my first three posts over the past several weeks and I am passionate and opinionated when I write, so I like to entertain and draw out discussion at the same time.
by PaulRathert34 on Feb 2, 2011 9:12 PM PST up reply actions
Why do you want to get to the front page so badly?
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by WaddellCanseco on Feb 2, 2011 9:25 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, that seems odd
I mean, it’s nice if someone has a goal of being a front page poster, but as someone new here there are dues to be put in first and just by being an active member around here people will determine for themselves how much respect is due to be given.
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It would have made more sense if he had said he had a goal of being
the best post writer he can be
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by WaddellCanseco on Feb 2, 2011 11:23 PM PST up reply actions
I believe...
that the larger your audience the more critics you have. More critics = more critiquing and thus you DO become the best writer you can because you are getting more feedback. I have several years of professional writing experience, but never got a ton of feedback on any of the articles. People read it and talked about it with other people, but not me. That didn’t really help. lol
by PaulRathert34 on Feb 3, 2011 5:54 AM PST up reply actions
Shouldn't we all strive for advancement?
by PaulRathert34 on Feb 3, 2011 6:04 AM PST up reply actions
Sure, but whether you're a front page poster or not you'll have lots of eyes on whatever you write here
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I propose that...
Front Page columns are read by more people than Fan Posts.
I agree with you though, that’s part of why I started posting here.
by PaulRathert34 on Feb 3, 2011 9:04 AM PST up reply actions
Of course they are
But numerous fanposts still get tons of comments, often more than some general front page posts.
It’s not about where your post is seen as much as the fact it’s probably going to be seen by hundreds of people, if not more, just by being on AN in the first place.
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I agree with that...
Call it personal preference then.
by PaulRathert34 on Feb 3, 2011 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
Somehow the idea of using AN as a career advancement tool is...off putting.
by Rebuilding Season on Feb 3, 2011 9:23 AM PST up reply actions
Where...
do you see anything about career advancement? By advancement I meant as a writer. Read the previous post about “being the best writer you can be”. That’s what it was in regards to.
by PaulRathert34 on Feb 3, 2011 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
Combination of things
I believe…that the larger your audience the more critics you have. More critics = more critiquing and thus you DO become the best writer you can because you are getting more feedback.
I am trying to make it to the front page so I’d like to get as many followers as possible.
I have several years of professional writing experience, but never got a ton of feedback on any of the articles. People read it and talked about it with other people, but not me. That didn’t really help.
I guess it goes like this:
Premise 1: Making it to the front page gets you more exposure.
Premise 2: I want to make it to the front page to get more exposure.
Premise 3: More exposure will help me gain more experience as a professional sportswriter.
Conclusion: I post on Athletics Nation in order to make me a better professional sportswriter.
Do you disagree?
by Rebuilding Season on Feb 3, 2011 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
I don't disagree with your line of thinking...
But again, where does any of that indicate CAREER advancement? That’s all personal growth.
I obviously enjoy writing here and reading people’s replies and engaging in conversations, otherwise I wouldn’t choose AN as a forum for writing.
I guess I don’t understand what your qualm is…
by PaulRathert34 on Feb 3, 2011 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
Well, you said that you make professional sportswriting your career
And that you’re using AN to make you a better professional sportswriter.
by Rebuilding Season on Feb 3, 2011 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
"Using" isn't the right term.
Like I said, I post here because I enjoy it and I do become a better writer because the readers comment and give feedback.
It’s the only place I’m writing right now aside from my personal blog, but I always post the same thing in both places. Writing isn’t the ONLY career I have. It’s my passion and I’d like to do it professionally as my only career one day.
I still don’t understand what the problem you have is.
by PaulRathert34 on Feb 3, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
I'm probably just reading too much into it.
Just disregard.
by Rebuilding Season on Feb 3, 2011 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe
I just want to entertain people, be thought-provoking, and incite conversation. Simple as that.
I hope you continue to read my posts and that we can have more dialogue in the future.
by PaulRathert34 on Feb 3, 2011 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
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I'm flagging this
…..Because you have to be crazy to pass up an opportunity like this!!!
by OnlybuyBeaneJerseys on Feb 3, 2011 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
Just email Nico
He’ll set you up
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by nevermoor on Feb 2, 2011 9:44 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
The best way to do that would just to do what you're doing.
Comment on other posts, write fanposts that are consistently of a high quality, and see where that goes.
It's cute the way you're taking him under your wing
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by WaddellCanseco on Feb 2, 2011 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
Thank Dan
I contacted the site. Now it’s just a matter of proving myself.
by PaulRathert34 on Feb 3, 2011 5:55 AM PST up reply actions
Good thing you corrected yourself
because the last thing we need to do this month is thank dan
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Aww
no need to make me smile :)
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He would be more than 25% of the payroll
More like 35% or more.
Not in favor of this at all. I don’t care how good he is, he’s 30 and I’m not counting on him being able to stay healthy through the duration of another contract…
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
You don't care how good he is?
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by WaddellCanseco on Feb 2, 2011 7:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I mean, I obviously do
I just don’t think he’ll be worth the contract within even 3 years.
That’s a small window of contention before you’ve got 6 or 7 years or one of the largest contracts in history in the books.
I could be wrong, but there are inklings to suggest this will be the case…
All I can say about stats is…
SCOTT BROSIUS!!
by stranahanahan on Feb 3, 2011 9:08 AM PST up reply actions
Agreed
Unless the A’s can increase payroll, that is too much money tied up in one, although legitimately great player. Obviously it doesn’t leave much to fill out the remaining roster spots and the A’s must focus on cost controlled or under market value contracts. It’s not as if he can be acquired for anything under market value and considering our stadium, it appears that hitters are demanding more than market value to play in Oakland. Why instead are we not targeting premier pitching talents in such a pitcher friendly park?
Pitching is expensive too.
As we saw last season, you have to have offense to go along with it. The A’s used to be compared to the Twins as successful small-market teams. Unfortunately, the A’s havent been as successful recently while the Twins increased payroll with homegrown talent then opened a new stadium.
by PaulRathert34 on Feb 3, 2011 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
Look at the jump in payroll between 2009 and 2010 for the Twins.
And look at who most of their PR is invested in.
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/minnesota-twins_17.html
by PaulRathert34 on Feb 3, 2011 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
I think there was something else different about the 2009 and 2010 Twins
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
by PaulThomas on Feb 3, 2011 2:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Let's just say it had a little something to do with the view from the bleachers
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
I love the dream
If it worked it would be *!#@ing brilliant.
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by ArunisArun on Feb 2, 2011 9:02 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I don't think...
you could draw it up better right? As I was writing the article, I actually started thinking “this is so crazy it just might work!” lol
by PaulRathert34 on Feb 2, 2011 9:06 PM PST up reply actions
I had a dream once...
Where Bob Geren decided to have me pitch in a high-stress situation. Even I knew it was a bad idea.
I thought my post about hitting .400 might be too far fetched
And then I read this one about us getting Pujols. I guess it’s a good time to dream big. So if we were to get him, how does it go? We trade Barton? Just when I really started to love that guy? We will be sorry when he hits .450 for the Rockies in 2013.
by barryzitoforever on Feb 2, 2011 10:29 PM PST reply actions
It's February.
It’s about time that I start posting more often, too! Woo!
"You're just jealous. You wish you had a rally animal..." -CardinalWraith
I know
I thought the same thing when I was almost done writing the article. I had JUST convinced myself of Barton’s worth. I figure as A’s fans we are used to getting attached and then having the player leave, so it would be status quo. lol
by PaulRathert34 on Feb 3, 2011 5:56 AM PST up reply actions
Would Barton be Barton anywhere else on the field..Dont know his background much but can he make a move to 3rd?
Founder of team Omté Caspeen
He might be able to but there's little point in moving him off 1B right now
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Pujols at First
The only reason I am asking is where would we put Pujols.
Currently a first baseman, Pujols is well-known for his all-around ability as a player to hit for both average and power, plus his base-running and fielding excellence
But where would you see him go other then first if he is just that darn good there. If we did get Pujols, would would move him or Barton. That is why I ask.
Founder of team Omté Caspeen
Obviously if we got Pujols Barton is moved from 1B
But there are only a handful of 1B out there that should force a position change from Barton at this point.
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Agreed.
Barton is still so young we don’t know what his ceiling is yet. He’s already good and could/should get better.
by PaulRathert34 on Feb 3, 2011 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
Hence
The original question regarding him
Would Barton be Barton anywhere else on the field..Don’t know his background much but can he make a move to 3rd?
Founder of team Omté Caspeen
Sorry, thought I answered that with this reply:
“started as a catcher, but if I recall correctly his arm wasn’t very good and he had some elbow issues. He played some 3rd as well, but again lacked the arm strength and didn’t have great range. He’s pretty much a 1st baseman until he becomes a DH.”
by PaulRathert34 on Feb 3, 2011 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
Barton's strength now is his defense at first.
At that point, he is worth more in a trade than he is at DH or another position.
He's so good at first that it doesn't make much sense right now, but who really knows?
I mean, he’s probably not too terribly great over there (not many people are), but hey, who knows!
"You're just jealous. You wish you had a rally animal..." -CardinalWraith
He
started as a catcher, but if I recall correctly his arm wasn’t very good and he had some elbow issues. He played some 3rd as well, but again lacked the arm strength and didn’t have great range. He’s pretty much a 1st baseman until he becomes a DH.
by PaulRathert34 on Feb 3, 2011 5:58 AM PST up reply actions
I'm sure if it happened
I’d talk myself into it.
"The most important thing to do in your life is to not interfere with somebody else's life." - - F. Zappa
by EddieVegas_NRAF on Feb 2, 2011 11:58 PM PST reply actions
Make that deal and Pujols will have 250 walks/year.
And I think the Cubs will make a run at him in St. Louis doesn’t extend him.
The worst person to run from is yourself.
I think that's a possibility
but after being a Cardinal and having such strong feelings towards the Cubs, do you think he signs there?
by PaulRathert34 on Feb 3, 2011 6:07 AM PST up reply actions
I'd hope not. I love baseball rivalries and I'd hope that players have that sense too.
But, Zito went to SF for mega $$$ so there’s always a chance. Honestly, I think St. Louis locks him up before the season starts. He has all the leverage now. St. Louis doesn’t want to give him the 10 years he wants, but if it goes to FA there’ll be several ‘mystery teams’ willing to offer him a guaranteed 10 years or so his agent will say so the negotiation point is moot IMO.
The worst person to run from is yourself.
It's fun to dream.
Pujols coupled with a new stadium would be HUGE for the franchise. Sadly, there’s no chance.
sounds good ...
LaRussa could give good advice about Oakland, but i’m afraid of what Matt Holiday has to say.
We have little, to no chance.
by GrewUpAtTheColiseum on Feb 3, 2011 12:31 PM PST reply actions
Little? Why so optimistic?
"We've come a long way, and I'm not talking about Virginia Slims, either." - Art Howe
Mozeliak would be skinned alive, along with DeWitt
if Pujols ever leaves that city. That is probably the BEST baseball city in the United States.
It’s not easy filling the shoes of fan favorite Bobby Crosby, but Cliff Pennington says he’s up to the challenge.
I agree about it probably being the best baseball city.
I was listening to the Baseball Today podcast and Seth Everett actually thinks Pujols is the one holding up the negotiations. I thought that was interesting.
by PaulRathert34 on Feb 3, 2011 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
Well, he has a right to ask for what he's truly worth.
He’ll probably favor STL and pick them over any other similar deal, but I’m sure the Cards are going to start by offering lower and trying to find some common middle ground. It’s called negotiation for a reason.
It’s not easy filling the shoes of fan favorite Bobby Crosby, but Cliff Pennington says he’s up to the challenge.
by DyeLongJustice on Feb 3, 2011 7:28 PM PST up reply actions
Except the Cards don't have any leverage in this case.
It's because he derived his torque from the buttocks -- cityplANner
by WaddellCanseco on Feb 3, 2011 7:37 PM PST up reply actions
Not sure it's leverage
But they could point out that the more they pay Pujols, the less they can spend on the rest of the team being good.
It’s not easy filling the shoes of fan favorite Bobby Crosby, but Cliff Pennington says he’s up to the challenge.
by DyeLongJustice on Feb 3, 2011 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
Everybody's in the same boat. He can go to any team he wants and hear that.
The question is who’s going to offer him the most of what he wants. It’s not a negotiation as much as an auction.
It's because he derived his torque from the buttocks -- cityplANner
by WaddellCanseco on Feb 3, 2011 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
And then Pujols would say
If you don’t pay me what I want, there won’t be anyone there to watch your team.
I’ll put my stake in the ground right now: 10 years/$300M. Book it.
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
needs moar bacon
by cuppingmaster on Feb 4, 2011 7:31 AM PST up reply actions
Man, I would love to have Pujols in an A's jersey.
Unfortunately it will most likely never happen. We can all dream though……
I don't have to answer to you, You aint my bitch.
If the A's couldn't sign Beltre x2, Scutaro, Furcal, etc.
And got rejected in a trade by Chone Figgins, I don’t see the best player of our generation signing on the dotted line, even at $50 million a year. Fun to dream, but Lew Wolff and John Fisher will pony up the money for a Jack London Square ballpark before Pujols signs with the A’s.
"Ain't no man can avoid being born average, but there ain't no man got to be common." - Satchel Paige
Imagine that
Weaker offers (except Scutaro) don’t land free agents.
WE’RE DOOMED!!!!!!!!!
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
Well, it looks like MLBTR & Olney
think that the negotiations have slowed. This wasn’t surprising to me because I’d think the owners would want to be 100% sure they could get a solid ROI during Pujols’ later years. That franchise is riding high right now with great attendance, new ballpark, great offensive fireworks, and All Star players.
The argument is clear: He’s the greatest hitter of the modern era and is a terrific community figure to boot. However, you don’t know if you’ve got the money to pay a guy 1/4 of your payroll when he’s 38.
It’s possible this ends up like the Joe Mauer contract where the owners cave and pay the city’s hero to stay long term.
But on the off chance these negotiations DO fall apart, i see no reason why the A’s can’t be players. Nothing would happen until after the season. The A’s would have time to evaluate their farm system, perhaps Barton goes big and becomes a hot trade item (although i want to keep him around), maybe the MLB Blue Ribbon Panel finally comes out with a decision and gives the A’s a clear direction for a new stadium.
If we luck out and some of those things happen (particularly the stadium) I think this signing could be the marquee signing for this team.
By the way. My sleeper pick in all of this: The Washington Nationals
It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.

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