Bailey Goes BOSOX!
by Cretgren on Dec 28, 2011 1:51 PM PST
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So says this guy:
http://twitter.com/#!/Buster_ESPN/status/152141970993721344
and
http://twitter.com/#!/Buster_ESPN/status/152142103567286273
Reportedly: Andrew Bailey and Ryan Sweeney for Josh Reddick, Miles Head (20-year-old 1B), and Raul Alcantara (19-year-old pitcher).
You can view the Boston Red Sox prospects list here: Head is #21 and Alcantara is #23.
Also, who will close for us? I hope Balfour or De Los Santos (or anyone but Fuentes, for that matter).
Discuss!
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Gotta be more than just Reddick
please tell me there’s more to this…otherwise a total steal by Boston.
they’ve got 3-4 3B prospects, so I gotta believe one is included…?
"I saw a curveball, that’s about it," Rangers’ manager Ron Washington said. "You can’t take anything away from the kid; he went seven innings, but it wasn’t any shutout stuff." - Ron Washington on Gio's performance and the 7 k's.
Too early to vote, all we know is Redick is involved.
Makes sense to get someone who can play the outfield right away, but what’s his service time situation?
to answer my own question
He has 1 year 50 days of service time. He has one option remaining. So, how long is he under team control?
Super 2?
"Minutes from the last save opportunity...Balfour got 3 outs..."- Nico
by stranahanahan on Dec 28, 2011 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
Sweeney is headed there also
prospects have to be coming back
"I was right and you were wrong." - Ray Fosse
and while I'm at it
F the Giants. Seriously. No other 2 team market has territorial rights? That’s enough right there…Sorry, Giants…nobody else has territorial rights…and there are plenty of 2 team markets. We’re not gonna add territorial rights for those teams to appease you. Suck it.
So tired of the BS surrounding our need…desperately…for a new stadium deal somewhere. MLB needs to get off their asses and finalize this. Reddickulous.
:)
"I saw a curveball, that’s about it," Rangers’ manager Ron Washington said. "You can’t take anything away from the kid; he went seven innings, but it wasn’t any shutout stuff." - Ron Washington on Gio's performance and the 7 k's.
by catfish hunter on Dec 28, 2011 1:58 PM PST reply actions 12 recs
wow. Sweeney? bummer
that’s too bad. loved the guy.
"I saw a curveball, that’s about it," Rangers’ manager Ron Washington said. "You can’t take anything away from the kid; he went seven innings, but it wasn’t any shutout stuff." - Ron Washington on Gio's performance and the 7 k's.
Heh
Oakland gets Head
"He's listed as day to day, but then again, aren't we all?" — Vin Scully
by YonYonson on Dec 28, 2011 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
That sucks
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
I find it hard to swallow.
"The Lord has blessed us with birthday cake!"
by ozzman99 on Dec 28, 2011 2:25 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It'll soften up in a few minutes
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
True story:
On Christmas day, I hear one of my friends telling another, “If you spit on it, it’ll slide right in.” Sadly, they were talking about putting on earrings.
"The Lord has blessed us with birthday cake!"
Or so they said
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
Trading with the Red Sox sucks so much.
When you get Head from them, you end up with a Red dick.
Baseball is a stupid-making enterprise in that nobody wants to be singled out or say something dumb. —Michael Lewis
Who cares? It recovers quickly. I never turn down Head.
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 11:34 PM PST up reply actions
about time
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 28, 2011 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
He may not be a good prospect
But the jersey sales will make up for it.
Scott Hatteberg, English major.
by Englishmajor on Dec 28, 2011 5:08 PM PST up reply actions
And people say they don't know how to market.....
by LoneStranger on Dec 28, 2011 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
No, they're great at selling real estate development
as the solution to all the A’s problems. There’s a certain marketing genius in that. :)
by still bills kingdom on Dec 28, 2011 6:31 PM PST up reply actions
The all-sexual innuendo team...
BB was excited to receive Head and [reverse] Cowgill until subsequent examination of his Organ. System revealed that he may still have to deal [with an] S.T.D. [Suzuki, Taylor, Donaldson] after receiving additional returns that ultimately resulted in the acquisition of Red-dick [which may be symptoms of disease in the….]…. California girl and Avid A’s fan Katy Perry is outraged, stating that, in light of recent events, she will almost definitely not get to see “[Beane’s] Peacock, cock” until mid-season.
by infinitejest on Dec 28, 2011 5:38 PM PST up reply actions
It's still a terrible deal for Oakland
Californian in Exile:
by secret ASian man on Dec 28, 2011 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
Eh
Adding more depth to the system. Completely revamped system for the A’s. Should bode well for the future.
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 28, 2011 5:33 PM PST up reply actions
Well shit
Terrible, terrible deal.
"Minutes from the last save opportunity...Balfour got 3 outs..."- Nico
by stranahanahan on Dec 28, 2011 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
#21 and #23 prospects for Sox
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2011/12/13/2633672/boston-red-sox-top-20-prospects-for-2012
"I was right and you were wrong." - Ray Fosse
OH GOOD!
Cuz those are the kinda guys we need to be going after.
"Minutes from the last save opportunity...Balfour got 3 outs..."- Nico
by stranahanahan on Dec 28, 2011 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
I have to think as good as Bailey has been
Closers and relief pitchers in general are not going to get the same haul as starters
"I was right and you were wrong." - Ray Fosse
Look at the Santos deal though
That was a 1 for 1 and probably a better deal than this is, at least on paper.
"Minutes from the last save opportunity...Balfour got 3 outs..."- Nico
by stranahanahan on Dec 28, 2011 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
He
has 6 I believe. Signed a long-term deal.
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 28, 2011 5:34 PM PST up reply actions
Yea, that's not that exciting
Both seem like lottery ticket type prospects. Not exactly what I was hoping to get back for Bailey.
And Head's apparently a 1Bman?
We couldn’t have gotten a 3Bman out of this?
"Minutes from the last save opportunity...Balfour got 3 outs..."- Nico
by stranahanahan on Dec 28, 2011 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
HEY! A FIRST BASEMAN!
Just what the system needs.
"He's listed as day to day, but then again, aren't we all?" — Vin Scully
Barton is moving to 3rd base. ☺
Right, mikev?
"Trying not to rec a "F**k the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."-anonymous
"i guess i just like beer"-stm
Hasn't played 3rd since 2009
and played only 9 games there.
"Minutes from the last save opportunity...Balfour got 3 outs..."- Nico
by stranahanahan on Dec 28, 2011 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
Alcantara is supposed to have a fairly high ceiling.
He’s only allowed 1 HR in ~120 inning pitched, has pretty good control, and won’t turn twenty until next December.
I like him as a secondary piece, but I don't like Reddick and Head at all
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah. I would feel a lot better about this deal if it had been
Middlebrooks or Cecchini instead of Head – but I don’t think that type of haul was likely for Bailey, especially considering his less than flawless injury history.
No man in his right mind turns down head.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
by OldhamA on Dec 28, 2011 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
That doesn't sound very good.
Alcantara is a lottery ticket, but Head doesn’t sound like he’ll ever be anything special
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
Getting Head is always special
Hinweis Mir! Hinweis Mir!
by doctorK on Dec 28, 2011 2:03 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
One night in Bangkok makes a hard man humble
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
Whattaya mean?!?
You seen one crowded, polutted, stinking town . . .
"Hello and welcome to another wonderful and frightening night of A's baseball." - Gaijin_Suketto
by EddieVegas_NRAF on Dec 28, 2011 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
And if you're lucky then the god's a she
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
Sweeney traded to Boston, too
This is shaping up to be a Major League the movie) roster. Not going to know any of these guys.
Might as well Jump! - Van Halen
but the tickets will be cheap this year!!!!!
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 28, 2011 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
Free kraut?
"Hello and welcome to another wonderful and frightening night of A's baseball." - Gaijin_Suketto
by EddieVegas_NRAF on Dec 28, 2011 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
and 50 cent beer
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 28, 2011 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
The A's also traded the entire outfield to Boston
Ryan Sweeney to the Red Sox as part of the Bailey deal.
"He's listed as day to day, but then again, aren't we all?" — Vin Scully
by YonYonson on Dec 28, 2011 1:58 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
And we just shed another ~$5M off the payroll
"Minutes from the last save opportunity...Balfour got 3 outs..."- Nico
You filled your card with 5-M?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
No, I bought a bunch of 3M stock and it promptly went down.
(Cue “Head” and “Red-dick” jokes.)
by still bills kingdom on Dec 28, 2011 6:33 PM PST up reply actions
Per Jeff Fletcher
The #athletics have $23M committed for ’12 plus 1 arb eligible (McCarthy, $3M?). Everyone else less than $750K
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Aaaaand...
Which means they’ve got plenty of money ($10-12M?) for some 1-year band aids. (Ryan Ludwick, Cody Ross types).
Last of the Ninth - Photography
So we can have a guy hit 35 HR's and still lose 90 games?
"The Lord has blessed us with birthday cake!"
Fielder would probably have a heart attack rounding the bases.
We are cursed after all.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
by OldhamA on Dec 28, 2011 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Heh, maybe that's a message to the other 28 owners
Vote to give us T rights to San Jose or we’re going pocket all your revenue sharing money to throw on the bed and roll around in.
Exactly. GET HIM.
A toolsy 19 yo OFer who reportedly “would have been a top 5 pick”? Get. Him.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
yes please
hey little girl
…want a cookie?
by ChickenStanley on Dec 28, 2011 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
Anyone know when he can be signed?
It’d be as a free agent, right (then he’d presumably go into our minor league system)?
You know you are big-time when people chant your name while you pee. - 67MARQUEZ
by bakerbeachboy on Dec 28, 2011 2:39 PM PST up reply actions
Yep
these deals seem more to be abt salary dumps than really fetching quality talent in return. I’m really disappointed to be an A’s fan right now.
Re-sign Josh Willingham now!
by sf drift king on Dec 28, 2011 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
Parker + the Nats deal was all quality talent
Reddick is fringe quality the rest are filler. Prettey decent haul when added all up.
that is not so gentle now is it
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 28, 2011 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
lew wolff = patrick bateman?
Win or lose, we'll always be there for you.
by johnjahafanclub on Dec 28, 2011 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
As much as I do like Reddick and think he'll be better than most expect
I’m still tremendously disappointed in this deal.
"Minutes from the last save opportunity...Balfour got 3 outs..."- Nico
First KOOOOOOUUUUZ!
Then Gio.
NOW Sweeney?
Who’s left to cheer for next year?
"Trying not to rec a "F**k the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."-anonymous
"i guess i just like beer"-stm
Yes. Yes I did.
And a Fox back at you!
"Trying not to rec a "F**k the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."-anonymous
"i guess i just like beer"-stm
I loved Swingles...
Always have. He just (dare I say it) LOOKS LIKE A BALLPLAYER!
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Well ST just got that much more entertaining
Meet and greets should include name tags all the ways around
"I was right and you were wrong." - Ray Fosse
Are Reddick, Head and Alcantara not hot?
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
Top Ten in last year's Hottie Poll:
1. Gio = TRADED
2. Sweeney = TRADED
3. Harden = NOT RE-SIGNED
4. Jackson = TRADED (last year)
5. Breslow = TRADED
6. Willingham = NOT RE-SIGNED
7. Suzuki = still here (so far…)
8 tie. Barton = still here (so far…)
8 tie. Bailey = TRADED
10. DeJesus = NOT RE-SIGNED
Damn. I realize we trade everyone, but damn.
Baseball is a stupid-making enterprise in that nobody wants to be singled out or say something dumb. —Michael Lewis
by iglew on Dec 28, 2011 8:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Gio, Sweeney, and Harden.
That’s how.
Baseball is a stupid-making enterprise in that nobody wants to be singled out or say something dumb. —Michael Lewis
This is sad..:(
"Trying not to rec a "F**k the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."-anonymous
"i guess i just like beer"-stm
Is this Swooney more to your taste?
Baseball is a stupid-making enterprise in that nobody wants to be singled out or say something dumb. —Michael Lewis
Send the pics in braille.
Cope must be blind.
"Trying not to rec a "F**k the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."-anonymous
"i guess i just like beer"-stm
i know, shoes. this is sad.
i really like that pic of harden shaving.
Ugh.
Will miss Bailey a lot. Will not miss Sweeney at all and I do like Reddick a bit…but ugh.
Bring back Hammer.
Seriously. Where was Cecchini or Jacobs?
Hold out for the right guys. Time will tell, but my first reaction to this deal is: Eh.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
About my reaction too.
I like Reddick, but not a piece I would jump for….Gotta like it for the Sox, especially the next couple years.
Bring back Hammer.
by OaktownPower on Dec 28, 2011 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
I'll say it.
"Hello and welcome to another wonderful and frightening night of A's baseball." - Gaijin_Suketto
by EddieVegas_NRAF on Dec 28, 2011 2:06 PM PST reply actions 7 recs
Except he hits for power and he doesn't have knee issues.
by NateHST on Dec 28, 2011 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He's probably not in Sweeney's class as a defender though.
Healthy Sweeney anyway
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
He's got 25 HR potential
Hit 7 in 87 games with Boston last year. He’s got a good glove though, but probably not as solid as Sweeney’s. Worse plate patience than Sweeney, I really don’t see the comparisons…
"Minutes from the last save opportunity...Balfour got 3 outs..."- Nico
by stranahanahan on Dec 28, 2011 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
That's true
I should have said he doesn’t have Sweeney circa 2009 defensive capability.
"Minutes from the last save opportunity...Balfour got 3 outs..."- Nico
by stranahanahan on Dec 28, 2011 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe not. A 120 wRC+ and a +7 defender in RF gives you a 3.8 WAR Nick Swisher
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, or that's there now
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
there's nobody there now. so, yes.
the artist formerly known as inbillywetrust
by stm72 on Dec 28, 2011 4:19 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I would like a 3.8 WAR Nick Swisher.
Baseball is a stupid-making enterprise in that nobody wants to be singled out or say something dumb. —Michael Lewis
Not really Pig's bat
in that Pig walks a lot and has more power. I don’t really see much of a comparison.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
He seems like a young Seth Smith or Corey Hart
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
haha
I love that we’re grasping at straws for a comparison.
"Minutes from the last save opportunity...Balfour got 3 outs..."- Nico
by stranahanahan on Dec 28, 2011 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
What I hate is that we're grasping at low ceiling OFers.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
And low ceiling offers
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by EddieVegas_NRAF on Dec 28, 2011 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
Saying "this" is a bannable offense now?
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
I didn't want to get banned
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 11:35 PM PST up reply actions
Your "." will be confiscated.
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OMG, I missed my period!
<pees on a stick>
Baseball is a stupid-making enterprise in that nobody wants to be singled out or say something dumb. —Michael Lewis
I like it.
Bailey’s still a reliever who can only fetch so much, and losing Sweeney is addition by subtraction. Yes, they are #21 and #23 and didn’t get super high grades, but look at what he wrote about them:
21) Miles Head, 1B, Grade C+: Ineffective in the New York-Penn League in ‘10, but something clicked last year, hit for power and average in Low-A. Power carried forward to High-A but he’s got contact issues to work out, and right-handed hitting first baseman have an uphill battle. Could rank much higher next year
23) Raul Alcantara, RHP, Grade C+: Live arm with good results in rookie ball, still refining his secondary pitches. High ceiling.
We’re not looking for major-league ready talent, we’re looking for high upside, and it sounds like they have some. To me, the puzzler is Reddick. We don’t really need major league ready talent, even if he can hit more than a single homer per decade (looking at you, Sweeney). I like the rest of it, though.
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by jeepers on Dec 28, 2011 2:08 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Maybe Reddick gets flipped?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
The A's are going to sign somebody out of the bargain bin that nobody wants.
Cody Ross leaps to mind.
NOTICE ME! NOTICE ME!
It's Manny Time!!!!
:shoots self:
"Hello and welcome to another wonderful and frightening night of A's baseball." - Gaijin_Suketto
by EddieVegas_NRAF on Dec 28, 2011 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
RH 1Bs
I gotta think this righty/lefty thing is a remnant of previous thinking that doesn’t make sense any more. These days, given LOOGYs and the shift, I much prefer hitters to be right handed rather than left. Much, much prefer.
Boston would still have a pretty awesome one if they didn't buy Adrian Gonzalez.
Have bat, will travel.
NOTICE ME! NOTICE ME!
exactly
Bailey’s a top closer, but at the same time he hasn’t topped 50 innings since his rookie campaign and has a history of injuries.
According to Fangraphs Reddick was worth 1.9 WAR last year, while Bailey was at .9.
Of course this hurts from a fan’s standpoint because we don’t have marquee players and Bailey was our guy to brag about.
We’re rebuilding and it’s frustrating but we have a cheap, good, young outfielder in Reddick and a couple of prospects with upside. Now I would hope with the freed up payroll that we will go after international talent to continue our rebuild.
When we played softball, I’d steal second base, feel guilty and go back.
- Woody Allen
by rhymeswithelephant on Dec 28, 2011 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
Well, I hope the A's scouts are smarter than everybody else
Because my first reaction is this a pretty poor return, even in a market where relievers are extremely devalued. I would have rather the A’s waited until July and tried to find a desperate team at the deadline.
Oh well, nothing to be done now. Just have have to cross my fingers and hope that Head and Alcantara buck the odds and reach their ceiling.
I see Nico was editing. I'll leave this in his capable hands.
LIfe may not be a bowl of cherries.
But I’m currently eating a bowl of cherries, and it’s pretty f**kin’ awesome.
~GreenNGoldSooner
By emergency request of BBG, who is in the car
and just saw one of those “texting and driving” commercials.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Heh. Well, thanks.
LIfe may not be a bowl of cherries.
But I’m currently eating a bowl of cherries, and it’s pretty f**kin’ awesome.
~GreenNGoldSooner
Wow...simply wow...
…I gotta think Boston fans are saying " I can’t believe we just acquired an elite, cost-controlled closer for basically nothing…"
…I gotta think A’s fans are saying “We just gave up an All-Star closer for…basically nothing.”
I'm an A's fan and I'm thinking, "The A's just traded a reliever with a history of arm problems for a
cost-controlled outfielder that posted 1.9 fWAR in less than a half-season’s worth of at-bats. Plus we got high ceiling flier in Alcantara and a legitimate first base prospect in Head. I don’t care about Sweeney."
by NateHST on Dec 28, 2011 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 8 recs
I am excited about Reddick
But I think the consensus is that we should have received a top 10 prospect from Boston, considering the White Sox got a potentially lethal pitching prospect from Toronto for Sergio Santos…
"Minutes from the last save opportunity...Balfour got 3 outs..."- Nico
by stranahanahan on Dec 28, 2011 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
Sickels ranked Reddick as Boston's fourth best prospect last season
and he posted a 125 wRC+ in Pawtucket and a 105 wRC+ in Boston. If eligible, he would easily be a top ten prospect in Boston’s system in 2012. It’s really not an awful deal.
If he can stick in CF, as some reports say he can,
he looks like a solid big league player. If not, and he has to move to RF, he looks like “Sweeney with more pop”.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Hah, well UZR/150 has him at +47.8 in CF so there's that.
Too bad it’s only a 73 inning sample size. Regardless, if he becomes Sweeney with power (instead of contact), but stays healthy, he’s a valuable player.
Plus we get to split his UZR, right?
+27 in CF, +10.4 in LF, +10.4 in RF.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
lol
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This one is good also
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I think the A’s just traded Andrew Bailey for Boston’s “yes” vote on San Jose re-location. #onlyslightlykidding
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by kbtoyz on Dec 28, 2011 2:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
hahaha
"Minutes from the last save opportunity...Balfour got 3 outs..."- Nico
by stranahanahan on Dec 28, 2011 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
true
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 28, 2011 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
They're already intimately familiar with his stylings
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
I'll take him as a lefty reliever, sure
You wanna eat some salary?
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Are you kidding? Tell us how much to eat and he's yours!
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
Deal!
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I'd pay his and Helton's salary
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
Wow.
You guys hate him more than we did.
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Plus we're terrible negotiators
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
No argument there.
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then again, you traded your closer for more than we did
so…..draw?
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That just means that Beane is a better negotiator than Dan and me
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
We should trade him to the Mets. ☺
"Trying not to rec a "F**k the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."-anonymous
"i guess i just like beer"-stm
As it is, Cowgill's probably the only guy who can handle CF...
"Minutes from the last save opportunity...Balfour got 3 outs..."- Nico
by stranahanahan on Dec 28, 2011 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
You're talking about the WS roster, right?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Highest paid remaining A's
(according to Cot’s)
Kurt Suzuki, $5.038 mil
Brian Fuentes, $5 mil
The A’s have only 9 members of the 2011 Opening Day roster: Anderson, Balfour, Blevins, Braden, Fuentes, Suzuki, Barton, Pennington
"He's listed as day to day, but then again, aren't we all?" — Vin Scully
And that's only because Anderson, Barton and Braden are too broken to trade
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
And Suzuki, Fuentes and Balfour basically have untradeable albatross contracts...
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
"Albatross" is on on the extreme side.
Particularly for Balfour.
by sleepingcobra on Dec 28, 2011 6:02 PM PST up reply actions
really?
You are normally pretty even keeled, but you got carried away here (or just don’t follow baseball as close as you used to). Pretty sure any team in the bigs would take Grant Balfour if he were waived.
Yes, I realize it's an exaggeration
Balfour is basically worth what he’s getting paid, but not more, so in theory the right team might trade for him (but it’d take the right team).
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
This was a really great interaction
I’d like to see more polite interactions like this on the internet.
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by IChaseFrisbees on Dec 28, 2011 7:44 PM PST up reply actions
I heard it was Suzuki
Re-sign Josh Willingham now!
by sf drift king on Dec 28, 2011 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
anderson and suzuki are next
especially if anderson starts the year pitching great
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 28, 2011 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
I have a feeling that's not going to happen.
That rug really tied the room together...
by Streams Of Whiskey on Dec 28, 2011 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
really?
when will he be back?
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 28, 2011 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
If he starts the year pitching great...
then he has the best TJ surgery recovery of anyone in history!
by Brett Narloch on Dec 28, 2011 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
Damn
our payroll is resembling that of the old Marlins.
Re-sign Josh Willingham now!
by sf drift king on Dec 28, 2011 3:36 PM PST up reply actions
So Boston continues to make moves without sacrificing their farm system
That is frustrating.
"Minutes from the last save opportunity...Balfour got 3 outs..."- Nico
by stranahanahan on Dec 28, 2011 2:13 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Seriously. When someone tells you,
“I want Bailey so much I’m willing to give you head to get him,” you really need to check the prospect list before answering.
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by Nico on Dec 28, 2011 2:14 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
hahaha
Oh man.
"Minutes from the last save opportunity...Balfour got 3 outs..."- Nico
by stranahanahan on Dec 28, 2011 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
We seriously need to acquire BJ Upton "just cuz"
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Maybe it's not Reddick that's being flipped, maybe it's Collin
Reverse Cowgill, and all that.
NOTICE ME! NOTICE ME!
hahah
Oh, this team just got a whole lot dirtier.
"Minutes from the last save opportunity...Balfour got 3 outs..."- Nico
by stranahanahan on Dec 28, 2011 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
Now THAT's a nickname
Well-done, sir.
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by EddieVegas_NRAF on Dec 28, 2011 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
Why does everyone keep emphasizing the reverse?
Does nobody appreciate good old-fashioned regular Cowgill any more?
Baseball is a stupid-making enterprise in that nobody wants to be singled out or say something dumb. —Michael Lewis
To go with Head and Peacock?
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know abt having Upton and Head
on the same team; we’d be the butt of all jokes.
Re-sign Josh Willingham now!
by sf drift king on Dec 28, 2011 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
Okay then.
Hopped on over to Over the Monster to get some reactions and opinions and such. Apparently Bailey sucks “outside the Oakland Crackpipe”.
Yeah, ok
At least he’ll throw pitches unlike Jonathan “Breathe, Breathe, Stare, Breathe, Stare, Sets, Sets Again, Sets Again, Breathes, Stares, Then Pitches” Papelbon.
"Minutes from the last save opportunity...Balfour got 3 outs..."- Nico
by stranahanahan on Dec 28, 2011 2:16 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
FK the Red Sox and their douchebag fans
Hinweis Mir! Hinweis Mir!
by doctorK on Dec 28, 2011 2:21 PM PST up reply actions 10 recs
I am a really nice guy
But that makes me want to punch a few Boston fans in the their collective mouths. Really hard to.
Slegna must die!
by Athletics fan and runner on Dec 28, 2011 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
Buster
I think as the winter went along, OAK’s market for Bailey shriveled up, with all of the FA relievers available. Injury history a factor,too.
well that sucks
"Minutes from the last save opportunity...Balfour got 3 outs..."- Nico
by stranahanahan on Dec 28, 2011 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
Wish Bailey luck but I think he is an injury waiting to happen
His cutter was not too good near the end of the season. Hence the shitty ERA (for him anyway)
Shriveled up until we were offered Head, that is.
Baseball is a stupid-making enterprise in that nobody wants to be singled out or say something dumb. —Michael Lewis
I'm a bit curious about the timing of this move
Magowan makes his comments yesterday, Bailey gone today?
A middle finger from the A’s to the Giants?
"Minutes from the last save opportunity...Balfour got 3 outs..."- Nico
Yes but the middle finger is still fun
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, of course
But pulling the trigger today, of all days.
I’m not saying it’s not a coincidence, but if it is, it’s a funny one.
"Minutes from the last save opportunity...Balfour got 3 outs..."- Nico
by stranahanahan on Dec 28, 2011 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
Because trading for prospects means they think they're getting a new stadium
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
Eh, the A's have pretty much established that they think they're getting a new stadium
I don’t see a Bailey trade making a blip on the Giant’s radar.
You're forgetting the fun aspect of giving them the finger
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
No reason he can't do both.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
Well, it's pretty much the last trade piece we had
This signals full-on rebuild.
"Minutes from the last save opportunity...Balfour got 3 outs..."- Nico
by stranahanahan on Dec 28, 2011 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
Nah, we still have Balfour, Fuentes, Suzuki, Anderson and Braden
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
Don't forget McCarthy
though his Twitter feed should merit an extra prospect in trade discussions, or at least extra value
Yes I forgot him. We should trade him and then sign Amanda as Director of Tweets
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
Yep
"Minutes from the last save opportunity...Balfour got 3 outs..."- Nico
by stranahanahan on Dec 28, 2011 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
With the low payroll I think the A's are telling MLB screw you
You’re not gonna give us an answer, then we’re not gonna spend money on anything oh and thanks for the 30 million dollar revenue sharing check.
by Athletix Man on Dec 28, 2011 2:46 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think the A's are just trying to rebuild, period
(and aren’t that good at it).
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Unrelated at all, I'm betting
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by Flashfire on Dec 28, 2011 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yep
Carlos Marmol 2.0!
"Minutes from the last save opportunity...Balfour got 3 outs..."- Nico
by stranahanahan on Dec 28, 2011 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
Probably Balfour to start, unless (until?) he's traded
In which case it’s Fuentes, with DLS stealing his job by the end of May or so.
NOTICE ME! NOTICE ME!
Not to me. I still want de los Santos starting till he proves he can't or his arm falls off
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
I'd love that too, but I think that ship has long since sailed.
How is he going to build up the requisite arm strength and innings log?
He'll ask CJ Wilson how he did it
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
"Being straight edge and a douche bag"
might not be the answer DLS is looking for.
MexicAN AmericAN VegAN
Tell me Fautino, how badly do you want this?
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
Blevins to the rotation!
"Trying not to rec a "F**k the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."-anonymous
"i guess i just like beer"-stm
This would amuse me for a game or so
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
the games he isn't pitching?
We yet enjoy little to be envied, but endure much to be pitied.-Thomas Dudley
True we could limit him to 30 games this way
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
There won't be much need for a closer anyway
Last of the Ninth - Photography
by Flashfire on Dec 28, 2011 2:27 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Because the A's will never be ahead after the 8th inning
And most likely will never be ahead at all. 1962 Mets, here we come!
That's probably true for all their home night games.
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I hear the A's plan on wearing a special uniform patch for the 2012 season
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by YonYonson on Dec 28, 2011 2:28 PM PST reply actions 9 recs
This got a good laugh from both me and my wife.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz.
~Humphrey Bogart
Now that's more like it!
Love this trade! Much better than the Gio trade, IMO. I’ve liked Reddick for a while and am happy that we got him.
According to the poll, most are less enamored! :)
I'm figuring I'll be in the minority here for liking this deal.
I like Reddick. He’s a plus defender and has above average power. He doesn’t walk much, but he hit well with Boston while not posting an outrageously high .318 BABIP. He posted 1.9 fWAR in less than a half-season’s worth of plate appearances last year. Alcantara’s tall and projectable and has excellent polish for being so young. I don’t know much about Head but he’s far enough away that I don’t have to worry about him much.
Yeah, Oakland fans loved Bailey but he’s a reliever with an injury history. (Although I’m not entirely sure why any A’s fan would get attached to their closer…you guys should have learned by now). I think Olney’s got a point that the market for Bailey seemed to shrivel up. I had a feeling that the market, while frenzied, was still over-saturated with closers. If Beane had moved him a month ago instead of asking for outrageous returns, he probably would have received more. But he’s still a fragile reliever and Sweeney’s a defense-first outfielder with chronic knee problems.
Considering the A’s can just move FDLS or Balfour into the closer role, they don’t really lose much value in the bullpen by moving Bailey. I think Reddick represents an immediate upgrade to the A’s over Bailey, and he’s cheaper and under control for more years.
by NateHST on Dec 28, 2011 2:29 PM PST reply actions 6 recs
I guess I haven't really made up my mind yet, and it centers on my evaluation of Reddick.
Not sure what to make of him.
So you like the deal for 2012?
What’s the argument for preferring Reddick over Jacobs or Cecchini in 2015? I guess he’s more likely to be in the major leagues, but will he bring us the all-important trophy?
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
I would rather have had a deal around Jacobs or Cecchini but that doesn't mean it's a bad deal.
It makes the A’s better in the short and the long-term.
Yes, that's a common theme with all 3 deals. They got good value but nobody to
build a team around in 3-6 years.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
Well if you subscribe to PT's theory that this rebuild is setting up for the next rebuild,
then everything’s going according to plan. I pretty much agree. I see a bleak, puncher’s chance of competing with this new batch of talent in 2015 but there should be several good arms to trade.
Maybe I’m getting into some too-deep, conspiracy shit right now, but I asked a couple weeks ago whether or not the A’s shouldn’t always target pitchers instead of hitters because of how awesome the Coliseum makes them look. Perhaps that’s the strategy: acquire as many above-average, MLB-ready arms as possible with the hope of trading all of them by 2015.
Doesn't Beane have to get lucky one of these years with a hitter?
Seriously… we can’t get one god damn hitter to turnout ok?
by Brett Narloch on Dec 28, 2011 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
It helps if you target really talented ones,
and not “low upside” (Reddick) and “#21 prospect…” I don’t care for his “quantity over quality/upside” approach.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I still have hope for Choice, but even he's far from a high probability
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
I believe that PT will be proven right because we won't have a choice but to
rebuild again, but that’s not how would have approached it.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
Eh
If you subscribe to my theory, this still looks pretty terrible. The A’s got almost no value for two usable assets.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Reddick for Bailey isn't terrible.
In itself. Maybe not favorable, but not terrible. Arrow-to-the-Knee for two single-A upside guys (who also will probably amount to nothing) isn’t terrible, either.
by sleepingcobra on Dec 28, 2011 6:05 PM PST up reply actions
I'm confused by the assumption that a late-round nonentity and a pitcher who can't even strike out rookie-ball hitters are "upside guys"
They look like organizational players to me.
Reddick for Bailey isn’t terrible, but it’s sure not a deal I’d make on its own, much less in conjunction with the other.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
I think Beane had an itchy trigger finger
First rule of thumb: never look desperate. No way Beane should have made this deal, no matter how decent Reddick might be, or Alcantara. He blew two assets at once. Whatever Sweeney’s flaws, someone could have used a high-average good fielding outfielder at some point during the season, given the general injury bug.
18 years old in rookie ball, with a live arm.
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by jeepers on Dec 28, 2011 9:36 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
My theory
Is that when they get to 2015, they’re going to spend like drunken sailors, as the Marlins are. The 2015 A’s don’t need to be built entirely from within, they just need to lack major holes.
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by jeepers on Dec 28, 2011 9:34 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
OK, which holes were filled by these trades?
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 9:47 PM PST up reply actions
You're missing my point
If the A’s stockpile 15-20 good prospects in the next couple of years, via trade, the draft, and the international marketplace, and five of them pan out, that leave four guys to go buy. The second rebuild isn’t necessary because this one isn’t designed to build an entire team from scratch.
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OK, but so far all I see are pitchers who replace the pitchers we traded
and two new Sweeneys to replace the Sweeney we traded. If two of Parker, Peacock and Cole replace Gio and Cahill, we’ve still got all the holes we had before the trades. The only guy that counts toward your 15-20 is Norris.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 11:38 PM PST up reply actions
These are just the first steps in the process.
With the return being mostly unproven talent, Beane should be grabbing the best available returns he can get, and not worry about whether they pitch or hit. That can always be balanced in subsequent moves.
Reddick’s the only one that’s somewhat of a head scratcher to me, because his ceiling seems limited, at least on the surface. He hit well in the bigs last year though, in his first try, and we still have him for at least five more years, lending potential value for 2015—he’s basically on the same timeline as weeks, only certain not to be a Super Two. I’d have preferred a AA/AAA guy with a higher ceiling, but it’s not impossible for Reddick himself to pan out, either. He has legit power.
One minor quibble—it’s Cole, Parker, Milone, Peacock as the replacement pool, and ten bodies we got for essentially three people and two fungibles. That’s the beginnings of a sizable pool. Get Soler and a couple more guys of his ilk, and we’re getting close to 15-20 (pitchers and position players).
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Lemme get this straight:
Out — Gio and Cahill (plus Bailey, Gilliam and Sweeney who weren’t starters)
Future starters In — Cole, Parker, Peacock, Milone, Norris
Placeholders/non-starters in — Cowgill, Cook, Head and probably Alcantara
Let’s say Cole replaces Gio and Parker replaces Cahill. That leaves Peacock, Milone and Norris in your 15-20. But if Cole and/or Parker don’t pan out, you have to subtract from the 15-20, no?
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 29, 2011 9:59 AM PST up reply actions
that's how I feel
We had a mediocre team with a bad farm system, now we have a bad team with an average farm system. A marginal improvement, at best.
My initial reaction is to like the trade
because of reddick. When I saw the headline that Bailey was traded to boston was “I hope we got Reddick.” I agree about the closers as A’s fans also. We should certainly know by now. The days of Eck being the man from mid season 87 until 1995 are long gone. I honestly want to see Balfour close next season as I think we can inflate his value for a trade in July.
Then again, how bad is it being an A’s fan that we have to root for players to become good trade chips? I just hope this rebuild cycle bares a lot of good fruit around 2014 or so.
Slegna must die!
by Athletics fan and runner on Dec 28, 2011 3:31 PM PST up reply actions
That's fair. I'm hoping I'll be proved correct about Reddick.
It seems like the consensus is completely dependent on the evaluator’s opinion of Reddick.
There's a good sign.
That guy is right less often than a turn on a NASCAR oval.
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by jeepers on Dec 28, 2011 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
hahaha
hey little girl
…want a cookie?
by ChickenStanley on Dec 28, 2011 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
Wow
I feel like I should be given a cigarette and told what a great lay I was after that trade…
On the bright side tickets for 2012 games are going to get cheaper and cheaper by the minute on Stubhub.
I dunno. I think we'll be better in September than in April
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
Wuertz was scratched from a minor league game on Wednesday, but bounced back quickly on Thursday, throwing mostly fastballs and sliders, although he did mix in three sliders. -Rotoworld
And I said,
I don’t care if they lay me off either, because I told, I told Bill that if they move my desk one more time, then, then I’m, I’m quitting, I’m going to quit. And, and I told Don too, because they’ve moved my desk four times already this year, and I used to be over by the window, and I could see the squirrels, and they were merry, but then, they switched from the Swingline to the Boston stapler, but I kept my Swingline stapler because it didn’t bind up as much, and I kept the staples for the Swingline stapler and it’s not okay because if they take my stapler then I’ll set the building on fire…
hey little girl
…want a cookie?
by ChickenStanley on Dec 28, 2011 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Play "Nearer My God to Thee", will ya?
"Hello and welcome to another wonderful and frightening night of A's baseball." - Gaijin_Suketto
by EddieVegas_NRAF on Dec 28, 2011 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
Predictions for Reddick?
.275/.325/.440… good defense… about a 3.2 WAR.
Bill James says .249/.312/.457 in Boston so you might actually be a bit optimistic for Oakland
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
yeah, now that I look again it's unlikely he would have a .315 OBP with an average below .250
Whatever, I’m totally unqualified to make these sorts of predictions.
Statcorner says the wOBA park factor for RHB is 107 for Boston and 94 for Oakland
Does that mean it would be something like a .315 wOBA instead of .331. That’s basically a 100 wRC+ or Ryan Sweeney before 2011
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
Crap. My memory really is disappearing
In that case it’s 104 and 95 so he’d be a hair above average, or David DeJesus
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
Actually, DDJ seems like a pretty fair comp.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
The A's have some skill. They manage to trade their closer, their starting RF, starting LF, and starting CF while only moving two guys.
I have some concerns about the emotional status of the oaklandathletics.com depth chart after today, though. I think it needs a hug.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
I guess the OF today would be Allen, Cowgill and Reddick
That sounds worse than Sweeney, Sweeney and Sweeney
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
I kind of liked the Wall of Sweeney.
If we’re gonna be bad, we should be HILARIOUS.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
No one told you about Medieval Wednesdays?
That’s where they substitute turkey legs for bats.
"The Lord has blessed us with birthday cake!"
Not sure if that would affect the A's offense at all
"He's listed as day to day, but then again, aren't we all?" — Vin Scully
At least they won't be swinging at pitches off the plate.
"Trying not to rec a "F**k the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."-anonymous
"i guess i just like beer"-stm
MLBFakeRumors MLB Fake Rumors
A’s have traded @Mrs_McCarthy32 and her husband to Yankees for 2 Derek Jeter gift baskets and a PTBNL.
What's in a Derek Jeter gift basket?
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 2:39 PM PST up reply actions
If it includes Minka Kelly, I like it.
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by EddieVegas_NRAF on Dec 28, 2011 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
I googled her. She's pretty.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
She's got a great VORP
… and the P doesn’t mean player.
"He's listed as day to day, but then again, aren't we all?" — Vin Scully
I'd rather have a Madonna gift basket.
What’s in that?
"The Lord has blessed us with birthday cake!"
I thought A-Rod was Madonna's muse
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
Slusser
A big-league scout who has liked the #Athletics’ other deals this winter thinks they got “abused” on Bailey deal. #RedSox
I like the deal except Reddick is ready now, would have preferred more lower lvl talent
He might actually add a win or two playing this year.
Uggggg.
susanslusser Susan Slusser
A big-league scout who has liked the #Athletics’ other deals this winter thinks they got “abused” on Bailey deal. #RedSox
http://twitter.com/#!/susanslusser/status/152156400041201664
Wait, he thinks we got f***ked?
He’s totally wrong; we got Head.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
That's impossible to know... and very dumb....
Bailey’s highest WAR was 2.4… and that was before his latest string of injuries.
Reddick will beat 2.4 WAR every year in Oakland… and he’s cheaper.
And this scout has no idea what else was being offered. No idea whatsoever.
by Brett Narloch on Dec 28, 2011 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
I think he'll average about that
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
Now if we could just get a 2.4 WAR player at every position and a 20 WAA
pitching staff we’d be golden!
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
.
""Expelliarmus!" said Eckstein, attempting to knock the bat out of Matt Kemp's hands, just before Kemp laced a single to center." -Ken Tremendous
1955
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 3:08 PM PST up reply actions
Dude, check the Sports Almanac.
Did we win this trade?
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
He liked the Cahill deal?
"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime
Really? That's kind of reassuring. I just didn't get it.
"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime
Hah, I don't know how much weight my opinion holds.
I was just in the camp that didn’t think Cahill will improve much. And the fact that Parker’s still so highly regarded after TJS gives me optimism. Parker reminds me of Hellickson.
I like Parker a lot too,
And I hold a similar, but maybe more optimistic outlook on Cahill. I just don’t think it lined up with what we need right now (youth) outside of Parker.
"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime
I think it lines up with the prediction that this won't be the last rebuilding process
the A’s have to go through to make a truly competitive team.
Blehhhh that's fair.
"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime
Why?
Hellickson had vastly superior minor league performance.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
and has vastly inferior stuff.
how about bud norris with a better change?
Probably should have clarified...
His repertoire, size, and demeanor remind me a lot of Hellickson. You don’t have to put much stock into that statement. It’s mostly personal.
It's hard for me to actually look at who we got in the deal because goddamn, I hate the Red Sox. >:(
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
You have to imagine them without the Red Sox uniform. Then you can look at them more easily
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry...that makes it worse.
Now I can’t get the image of Kevin Youkilis out of my head. Thanks.
by Brett Narloch on Dec 28, 2011 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
But...but...he's a Greek god
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
People liked it when Adonis pranced around naked
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
Same here
I hate the fact that we’re helping them get better. I luv u Bailey, but I hope your g’damn arm falls off!
Re-sign Josh Willingham now!
by sf drift king on Dec 28, 2011 3:47 PM PST up reply actions
Our 2012 Oakland Athletics
A bunch of nameless kids, a bunch of empty seats, and 4th place in the AL West.
Maybe by the time we move to the Moon for 2024, we can win 100 games again.
How much do you want to bet we finish 3rd over Seattle?
They always find a way to do horrible lol
Wade Hines
They are just Ichiro
and a bunch of kindergartners.
by chillicothe20 on Dec 28, 2011 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
Ackley turned out good.
Smoak still might.
Baseball is a stupid-making enterprise in that nobody wants to be singled out or say something dumb. —Michael Lewis
I'm dubious on Smoak but I like Pineda
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 11:39 PM PST up reply actions
So you're saying Billy was right
not to offer him that extra $1,000?
Baseball is a stupid-making enterprise in that nobody wants to be singled out or say something dumb. —Michael Lewis
No gravity... we may get a 25 HR hitter!
by Brett Narloch on Dec 28, 2011 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
SF would probably b**ch about our moving to the moon too.
by chillicothe20 on Dec 28, 2011 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
It's integral to their revenue model
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
A stadium up there might adversely affect the tides in McCovey Cove
by Glorious Mundy on Dec 28, 2011 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
Or improve them!
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 3:08 PM PST up reply actions
The day global warming swamps that shithole will be a good day
It is every A’s fan’s duty to burn fossil fuels like they’re going out of style (because lets face it they are…)
My understanding is that methane has 10 times the greenhouse effect as CO2
Bring on the chili dogs
""Expelliarmus!" said Eckstein, attempting to knock the bat out of Matt Kemp's hands, just before Kemp laced a single to center." -Ken Tremendous
Specifically beef chili dogs
Cows farts and poop contains something like 10x the methane of humans farts.
How about Cowgill farts?
""Expelliarmus!" said Eckstein, attempting to knock the bat out of Matt Kemp's hands, just before Kemp laced a single to center." -Ken Tremendous
So you're an optimist?
You think we’ll be better than the Asstros?
Re-sign Josh Willingham now!
by sf drift king on Dec 28, 2011 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
Well....
Bailey and Sweeney for Reddick, Head and Alcentara? It seems that we’ve completely purged the OF of anyone who was in the majors to start 2011. Reddick’s good, and Alcantara and Head seem alright, but it seems we’re not getting much, or am I missing something?
But Is This A Fair Trade?
Because I really don’t know about Alcantara and Head. They look good, but can they actually help us or are we losers?
by Sean Fortuna on Dec 28, 2011 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
What do you mean by fair?
We traded a very replaceable, injury-prone relief pitcher and got a possible average, everyday OF.
by Brett Narloch on Dec 28, 2011 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
Well,
Bailey is a good closer – for sure – but eventually, will the guys we got make a difference? Do they have real potential that they can live up to?
by Sean Fortuna on Dec 28, 2011 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
Alcantara's 19 years old, Head is 20, and both have had excellent success in the
low minors. They’re far away, but they have decent ceilings.
That's Alright
Also good that they’re both young. Both low in the minor league system, but hopefully they can move up fast.
by Sean Fortuna on Dec 28, 2011 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
But for a 1B to be worth something he's got to be an awesome hitter, not like
Tom Everidge or Michael Spina
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 3:08 PM PST up reply actions
Spina Also Plays 3rd, Right?
And Tommy Everidge was that guy who played for us in 2009, right? He was like a Matt, but not a Matt? Or was that Jeff Larish…..
by Sean Fortuna on Dec 28, 2011 3:09 PM PST up reply actions
I think Spina played 3B in college but is a full time 1B now. Everidge
did play 3B a little in the minors
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
Hmm
Actually, if Carter gets extended time in the majors, who will the Rivercats have at first? Spina? Is Wes Timmons still around? Any other guys?
by Sean Fortuna on Dec 28, 2011 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
Oh Yeah
Forgot about him. Kila Ka’ahuieiauieaia – whatever his name is. His name might by the most hardest for newbies to spell since Justin Duocuhchserer.
by Sean Fortuna on Dec 28, 2011 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
If you want to be super fancy
the apostrophe-looking thing should be a backward-curling one:
Kila Ka‘aihue
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I'd consider it a kindness if you e-mailed me at your convienence
Address is in the profile.
It works, I checked.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Heh yeah
I just avoid typing the last name
""Expelliarmus!" said Eckstein, attempting to knock the bat out of Matt Kemp's hands, just before Kemp laced a single to center." -Ken Tremendous
Yeah, I mean Head's not really a great prospect.
He posted a 174 wRC+ in Class A this season at age 19/20. It remains to be seen whether or not his improvement was real, but he’s a class above Everidge or Spina.
94, which is ugly for a 1B prospect.
His BB:K was 30:36, which is a positive, but there wasn’t much else. Like I said, whether or not his improvement in Class A was real remains to be seen.
At least he's younger than Everidge and Spina ever were.
It’s true they were never 19 years old in their lives.
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 29, 2011 1:05 AM PST up reply actions
Both those guys only managed success when they were amongst the oldest guys in their leagues
That’s not the case with Head. Not a lot of track record to go on but the ISO he put up in low A last year was considerably better than what either Everidge or Spina has managed. If Head’s performance in low A is indicative of the type of player he is then he shouldn’t be considered in the same category as Spina and Everidge.
Of course 66 games at Low A isn’t much to hang your hat on.
If He Moves Up
And continues to hold his own in, say Double-A, or even Triple-A for a while, then that’s promising. But really, there are only so many assumptions you can make. He could be a total bomb, but you can’t really say now.
by Sean Fortuna on Dec 28, 2011 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
He's definitely a risk
I mean both Head and Alcantara are more likely to bust than be above average major leaguers, but that’s kind of the risk you have to run when you target prospects this far away from the majors. Just have to hope that one of the scouts saw something in these guys.
Meh
Guess we’ll just have to wait and see.
by Sean Fortuna on Dec 28, 2011 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
I'm disappointed by this return but I don't think it's a disaster
I’d think that Bailey’s value falls somewhere between Santos and Huston Street, and the return the A’s got probably falls somewhere between what the White Sox and Rockies received. I think the real lesson is that teams just really won’t trade much value for relievers, even closers. Outside of the occasional panic deal (hats off to the Padres for the Mike Adams haul) we should probably start to lower our expectations for any deal involving a relief pitcher.
In that case would we have been better off trading Bailey midseason and taking
a chance that he’d suck or get hurt?
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
Bailey is a bit more of a risk
but if healthy, he would have probably received much more at the deadline
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Unfortunately health is not one of his strong suits
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
The other risk factor, hypothetically,
is that one of the players in this deal takes a big step forward in the first half of the year and prices himself out of the Bailey trade.
If Reddick starts to take more walks while maintaining his power, or Head shows that he can hit well at AA (or can handle playing 3B), then Boston might not want to trade them for Bailey.
Everyone knows that old saw about getting rid of a player one year too early. The corollary is that you want to acquire a player a year too early, before they start to display their full value.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
I don't know
I would have preferred waiting if this was the best offer on the table, but they’re is definitely no guarantee that a better offer would have surfaced later.
Gah, I must still be in an egg nog induced stupor
There, their, they’re. I’ve been making that mistake too often lately.
They should have traded him early in the off-season when everybody was throwing
his name around. There was a frenzied couple of weeks when everybody was trying to trade for or sign closers, but the market was too saturated to favor the closers so heavily.
Too much risk if his cutter was fading at the end of last season.
Couple that with a history of arm troubles and I think you’re justified taking the best deal out there.
"When you find your way. Then you see it disappear."
Well hopefully this means Fuentes is our closer next year
on our quest to lose 100 games and get a top 3 draft pick!
5 or 6 blown saves could be the difference between drafting 1st or 4th
by TerrySteinbach on Dec 28, 2011 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
But if a save is blown in a stadium with no one there to see it...
is it actually a blown save?
by Brett Narloch on Dec 28, 2011 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
Ummmmm.. 1 million?
I think you meant to ask: what’s the over/under on attendance this year? OR: what are the odds that the A’s will draw a million fans this year?
by Brett Narloch on Dec 28, 2011 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
1 million
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
I'll go over
There is enough Giant, Yankee, and BoSox douchey-ness to break 1-Mil
by Colorado Fan on Dec 29, 2011 9:29 AM PST up reply actions
Over what?
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
I fear my prediction of the A's hitting multiple DINGERZ this year took a HUGE hit when Sweeney got traded.
"Trying not to rec a "F**k the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."-anonymous
"i guess i just like beer"-stm
2 more reasons I am glad I didn't buy the 2012 Oakland A's calendar
:(
by JacqueHeartsStomper on Dec 28, 2011 3:00 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I Just Got It For Christmas
Bailey, Gio, Cahill and Geren are all now gone.
I also recently got a Cahill jersey.
by Sean Fortuna on Dec 28, 2011 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
Yep
He was in the 2010 calendar too, I believe. Don’t miss him, though.
by Sean Fortuna on Dec 28, 2011 3:08 PM PST up reply actions
Errr...
The creators of the calendar, I guess….
Unless of course it was a Blue-Ribbon Conspiracy.
by Sean Fortuna on Dec 28, 2011 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
So,
We’ve traded Gio, Bailey, Sweeney, Breslow and Cahill for Jarrod Parker, Brad Peacock, Ryan Cook, Collin Cowgill, Raul Alcantera, Miles Head, A.J. Cole, Tom Milone, Derrek Norris and Josh Reddick. 2 good young starters, an excellent closer, an outfielder and a reliever for ten prospects, some of which are ranked highly, It actually looks alright.
by Sean Fortuna on Dec 28, 2011 3:01 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
But don't we need someone to play behind the pitcher?
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
Well,
Sweeney was somehow supposed to play about 5 postions, but he’s gone now.
by Sean Fortuna on Dec 28, 2011 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
You mean the pitcher's helper?
I did that once, it was the year after T-Ball
""Expelliarmus!" said Eckstein, attempting to knock the bat out of Matt Kemp's hands, just before Kemp laced a single to center." -Ken Tremendous
Do You Think The A's Could Get A Transfer To T-Ball?
We might actually average more then 0.1 runs a game, or at least hit some homers.
by Sean Fortuna on Dec 28, 2011 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
It would more embarrassing to strike out though
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 3:09 PM PST up reply actions
Not until 2015...
In the meantime enjoy watching the grass grow and the opposition score record numbers of runs in front of some of the A’s smallest crowds since the late 70’s.
Has A Team Ever Allowed 1000 Runs In A Season?
And, could the A’s make a run at that?
by Sean Fortuna on Dec 28, 2011 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
We've got pitching.
Between all of the new guys, I’ll bet the pitching is surprisingly good next year.
by danmerqury on Dec 28, 2011 3:17 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
So Not All Is Lost?
I mean, apart from the chance of contending.
by Sean Fortuna on Dec 28, 2011 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
Have you seen the moves the Angels and Rangers have made?
We had zero chance of competing full stop.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Oh... yeah!
try to spin this into a positive.
"Trying not to rec a "F**k the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."-anonymous
"i guess i just like beer"-stm
Is "wild card" a euphemism of some sort?
These guys could combine for like -30 fielding runs.
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 29, 2011 1:04 AM PST up reply actions
Well, Weeks and Sizemore seem to have some semblance of "tools,"
and could improve over their last seasons (which isn’t completely unbelievable, as it was Weeks’ first MLB season and Sizemore’s first time playing 3B). Cowgill and Reddick appear to have a handle on RF, but it remains to be seen whether they can handle CF over a season. Allen seems athletic enough, but doesn’t have extensive experience in the OF. Pennington could be great like he was in 2010, or awful like he was last year.
Pennington is probably just slightly below average, and Weeks
probably is as well, but Cowgill/Reddick seem stretched in CF, and Allen in LF sounds like he has an upside of a young Willingham. None seems like he’d be above average in a typical year. Even if they average -5, which seems relatively non-horrible, you’ve got a -25 combined. The best case is probably like a -15 combined or something.
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 29, 2011 1:33 AM PST up reply actions
Right
Beane could have traded these players for even less.
They're old? Let's trade them for younger joke prospects.
by LoneStranger on Dec 29, 2011 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
-25 among 7, 8 and 4-6 or overall?
because if allen’s in lf, then its likely barton at 1b and reddick in rf – two above average to plus defenders. and it seems just as likely that taylor gets abs in lf and/or mitchell winds up in cf (vs barton and carter and allen all earning full time roles).
Just among the listed guys. I'm not counting Cowgill/Reddick
in RF, Barton/Kila or Suzuki. But now that you mention it I doubt it would matter much. Barton and RF would be positives but Suzuki would be a negative. It would be a wash or a slight positive.
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 29, 2011 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
I had heard Allen was well-regarded in LF
He’s a good first baseman, so why would they move him to a position that he was bad at?
Really? I've never heard that. If he were a good OF, why
put him at 1B? I’d move a good 1B to OF if I had lotsa 1B and no OF.
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 29, 2011 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
Pretty sure he's well-regarded in LF by AN more than anybody.
He doesn’t have a great body but he seems to have good control over it (think the opposite of Brett Wallace). If he’s athletic enough to play LF, he’ll probably end up out there more often than not. At least, we hope.
Oh Great
I’d actually forgotten about how atrocious the defense was.
by Sean Fortuna on Dec 28, 2011 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
Like I said
It ought to be one of those record years… in a bad way. Maybe we can set the AL all time losing streak on the 10 year anniversary of the 20 game win streak.
I'll reserve judgement until dan and elcroata post their opinions.
Then I’ll know what to think.
"The Lord has blessed us with birthday cake!"
by ozzman99 on Dec 28, 2011 3:03 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
"bandwagon" fan!
"Trying not to rec a "F**k the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."-anonymous
"i guess i just like beer"-stm
I wish I was. These last 4 years would've been so much easier.
"The Lord has blessed us with birthday cake!"
So,
you only learn through visual aids?
"Trying not to rec a "F**k the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."-anonymous
"i guess i just like beer"-stm
Like Christina Hendrix?
"Trying not to rec a "F**k the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."-anonymous
"i guess i just like beer"-stm
( me tuu)♥
"Trying not to rec a "F**k the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."-anonymous
"i guess i just like beer"-stm
Seems like a fair deal to me.
Which is too bad because I’d have liked the Red Sox to lose the trade badly.
I’d also like the Red Sox and Giants to get kicked out of MLB (for being d-bags, of course) and be forced to play in Greenland for the next 6577443 years. Oh, add the Yankees to that Greenland competition as well.
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 28, 2011 3:07 PM PST reply actions
top 3 pick?
"And thank you to God for making me an Atheist." - Ricky Gervais
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 28, 2011 3:09 PM PST up reply actions
"these are awesome"
"And thank you to God for making me an Atheist." - Ricky Gervais
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 28, 2011 3:11 PM PST up reply actions
"Where number one
in the draft!"
""Expelliarmus!" said Eckstein, attempting to knock the bat out of Matt Kemp's hands, just before Kemp laced a single to center." -Ken Tremendous
I have no idea what these are
"He's listed as day to day, but then again, aren't we all?" — Vin Scully
They were only 18 games behind us last year. We'll get there.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 8:35 PM PST up reply actions
Astros
didn’t trade away Gio, Cahill, and Bailey.
Plus the NL Central will be much easier. No Pujols, probably no Fielder, maybe no Garza, no Braun for 50 games possibly.
AL West added Pujols and Darvish, and possibly more.
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 28, 2011 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
They also didn't lose DeJesus, Willingham, Matsui and Crisp to FA
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 11:40 PM PST up reply actions
They didn't lose Powell and Miller to DFA
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 29, 2011 1:02 AM PST up reply actions
So the 'stros are really getting excited for 2013!
"Minutes from the last save opportunity...Balfour got 3 outs..."- Nico
by stranahanahan on Dec 29, 2011 12:56 AM PST up reply actions
Astros DID, however, trade away Michael Bourn and Hunter Pence
And with their partial contributions, the team still only finished 56-106.
hopefully with a size tag
Baseball is a stupid-making enterprise in that nobody wants to be singled out or say something dumb. —Michael Lewis
I'm fine with tradign good players for good prospects
even if we finish dead last in the Majors.
But trading good players just to cut payroll. Well…. screw you Billy Beane
Why does Billy make so many trades around the holidays?
He managed to ruin Christmas (I miss my Gio), and now, Bailey and Ryan to the Red Sox just in time for New Year’s…
sigh.
'Cos he hates you 'Shoes.
There’s far too much evidence for it to be a coincidence.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
There there, 'Shoes, there there.
Take it out on the students. Give them a ‘pop quiz’.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Titled:
‘Why does Billy Beane hate me?!’
Ask the kids to list, in chronological order, the players traded by Beane that you loved.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
A three-part take-home exam
"He's listed as day to day, but then again, aren't we all?" — Vin Scully
Yon, you're not getting this.
They can’t leave until they’re finished.
If Shoes must be sad then so must her students.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
The new stadium is going to be powered by our tears, that's why.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on Dec 28, 2011 3:20 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Monsters Inc?
""Expelliarmus!" said Eckstein, attempting to knock the bat out of Matt Kemp's hands, just before Kemp laced a single to center." -Ken Tremendous
Season Ticketholders--What have you heard?
As a Season tickett holder—fielder’s choice—who has not renewed, I am surprised that no one has called with special deals. Has anyone been approached by the ticket sales department?
I have no intention of renewing unless the deal is too good to not take—maybe 2 for 1 or something of that magnitude.
I'd be disinclined to renew anyway
I moved to San Diego 3 years ago and got Padres seasons for the first time last year. Had all sorts of perks to it like free ballpark tour, free on field during BP day, free on field during a preseason ticket holder day, early entrance to the park on game days, free gift of my choice from a special season ticket concession stand… Never got any of that with my A’s seasons and I know my folks still don’t with theirs even though their seats are some of the most expensive ones behind the plate.
a little embarrassed to admit
this is the first year I can afford a fielders choice pack so I put a deposit down a few months ago…I have a feeling I’m going to be at a lot of empty games.
Seeing as I have put down my deposit, there’s no need for ticket services to contact me but still, I’m slightly surprised I haven’t heard anything from the A’s other than an email about fan fest.
Basically, I think they don’t care about season ticket holders at this point. Sad. But I can’t help still loving the A’s.
it'll be fine. It will be a night at the ball park
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by Future Ed on Dec 28, 2011 3:49 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I always liked it better when the stands were empty.
I’m a bad fan that way….
Baseball is a stupid-making enterprise in that nobody wants to be singled out or say something dumb. —Michael Lewis
You would have hated the World Series
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 11:41 PM PST up reply actions
You're not the only one!
"Minutes from the last save opportunity...Balfour got 3 outs..."- Nico
by stranahanahan on Dec 29, 2011 12:57 AM PST up reply actions
I too am guilty of this
It comes from having been an A’s fan all these years I think. You get used to spreading out and stretching out. However I recognize that my own comfort is not conducive of a healthy team.
I received a season tix package to renew weeks ago
But I am not renewing, not due to me hating the direction of the team, but because I may be relocating and don’t want to be saddled with games I can’t attend.
Re-sign Josh Willingham now!
by sf drift king on Dec 28, 2011 3:56 PM PST up reply actions
We received our package a few weeks ago
I said I’d renew, I don’t know if Dr. Pez has sent in the packet yet. I might be stuck for the year.
I am SO not interested in going to a lot of games.
The good, the bad, and the ugly
Good – Gonzalez trade
Bad – Cahill trade
Ugly – Bailey trade
by kimo from kauai on Dec 28, 2011 3:27 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
On a related note, Sweeney makes so much sense in Fenway - he'll play pepper with that silly wall.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
I don't know
As close as left fielders play in Fenway, they may find themselves standing right where Sweeney hits all those little looping liner singles to the left side.
So - Closer by committee going into the spring, with the winner coming from the group of:
FDLS
Balfour
Devine
Cook
Ross (Crazy – but I say give him the Feliz treatment and have him throw another year out of the pen)
I'll be happy if Ross can pitch at all
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
true - it is a rather disturbing question mark
If he does, I think he could be more of an asset, at least until he proves he’s capable of staying healthy, out of the pen, especially considering the newly acquired depth in SP’s.
In addition to being fleeced by the Sox for Bailey
We traded them our side bars….. the sides of my browser are all red on AN…
Even a blind squirrel is right twice a day.
They had better vote for our move to SJ.
"Trying not to rec a "F**k the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."-anonymous
"i guess i just like beer"-stm
Seriously.
I thought it was annoying when all the various banner and other ads were for different things. But it’s worse when they’re all the same.
It almost makes me pissed off at my employer for not letting us install Firefox or other non-IE browsers so I can get an ad-blocker. But then I think, well, I’d rather have a job and browse the web with ads, than not have a job and browse the web (more often) without them.
"As the tag line of my favorite dirty joke would have it: 'Keep your hat on. We could wind up miles from here.'" ~Kurt Vonnegut, Hocus Pocus
Bob2
I wonder if Melvin had any idea what he was in store for? His coaching metal will be put to the test in 2012.
Re-sign Josh Willingham now!
mettle
"Feel so bad, feel like a ballgame on a rainy day"-Lightnin' Hopkins
by justANotherAsFan on Dec 29, 2011 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
Dear AN
I have just posted a Fan Post in which I tried to get some clarity on the banning of mikev and how our community should deal with it. My FanPost got deleted some 3 minutes after I posted it.
NOTICE ME! NOTICE ME!
by elcroata on Dec 28, 2011 4:01 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
that is the most not surprising thing I have read today
We yet enjoy little to be envied, but endure much to be pitied.-Thomas Dudley
Saw that
I think that set a record for quickest fanpost delete
remember how quickly the MB has left fan post was deleted?
Wait, it didn’t
We yet enjoy little to be envied, but endure much to be pitied.-Thomas Dudley
I rec'd it while it was up
Then – poof – gone.
Let’s see if this comment thread stays up longer.
by Glorious Mundy on Dec 28, 2011 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
Please use a subject line when posting images.
Baseball is a stupid-making enterprise in that nobody wants to be singled out or say something dumb. —Michael Lewis
no offense to you
And I understand how strongly you feel about the subject. But those meta threads are quite possibly the most boring things on the internet. I want mikev to be unbanned just so I don’t have to read about it for the next __ months.
by DDroney on Dec 28, 2011 4:26 PM PST up reply actions 8 recs
lucky for you, there is an easy fix
We yet enjoy little to be envied, but endure much to be pitied.-Thomas Dudley
by Future Ed on Dec 28, 2011 4:27 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
You don't have to read about it at all.
You can skip right past all that and talk baseball to your heart’s content.
"The Lord has blessed us with birthday cake!"
Wouldn't it be funny if we went in there and didn't talk about mikev or Nico but just baseball?
by LoneStranger on Dec 28, 2011 5:38 PM PST up reply actions
I dunno. No one here actually knows a lick about baseball.
by LoneStranger on Dec 28, 2011 7:19 PM PST up reply actions
KOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUZ!
"Trying not to rec a "F**k the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."-anonymous
"i guess i just like beer"-stm
You just aren't nice.
"Trying not to rec a "F**k the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."-anonymous
"i guess i just like beer"-stm
none taken
I would prefer not to have felt compelled to write about it either.
But the two are not without connection – such actions are in part a reason why there is always less good baseball content on this site
NOTICE ME! NOTICE ME!
THE BASEBALL CONTENT IS STILL GREAT HERE
NOTHING HAS CHANGED..IT IS ALWAYS LIKE THIS..OAY NO ATTENTION TO THE DRUALAST TRADE OF THE WEEK COLUMN!!!
"Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it?"-Steve McCatty
by 5Aces on Dec 28, 2011 4:59 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Fancypants android app
doesnt let me recommend. Hope this is already green.
"Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it?"-Steve McCatty
by 5Aces on Dec 28, 2011 4:56 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
why did mikev get banned?
can we have him back at scout now?
by sleepingcobra on Dec 28, 2011 6:11 PM PST up reply actions
That's exceedingly lame and cowardly
The deletion, not the post.
NOTICE ME! NOTICE ME!
by jeepers on Dec 28, 2011 9:44 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
That's exceedingly lame and cowardly
The deletion, not the post.
NOTICE ME! NOTICE ME!
by jeepers on Dec 28, 2011 9:45 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Rumor has it the A's medical staff is very excited.
They have a whole new group of young healthy bodies to work with.
A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz.
~Humphrey Bogart
Hee
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 5:39 PM PST up reply actions
Somewhere Bob Geren laughs
wow….this team thought they sucked with me!
Lance "you sunk my" Blankenship
In a New move...Oaklands send entire MLB club down to minors/others teams and brings up
the AAA roster….
Lance "you sunk my" Blankenship
And then trades them...
The monster at the end of this blog.
by grover on Dec 28, 2011 4:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
another sad day for the A's
Not a very encouraging trade. I’m hopeful, but not very excited about the prospect of success.
I'd say more like a 4th OF, a lottery ticket and Tom Everidge
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
Just went to Over the Monster and saw that the fanpost breaking the news got totally ignored after the writers posted the story.
So, thanks mods for piggy-backing off my post instead of making a new one. I appreciate it.
LIfe may not be a bowl of cherries.
But I’m currently eating a bowl of cherries, and it’s pretty f**kin’ awesome.
~GreenNGoldSooner
I'm an eternal optimist, and here's my plan about how we can contend next year and 2013 as well:
We can’t. Blehhhhhhhhhhh it’s hard being a fan sometimes.
"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime
Even before the moves Anaheim and Texas made people thought the A's
would contend in 2012? This boggles the mind.
It would have been easy. Just bring back the 2011 team and hope they play better
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 5:14 PM PST up reply actions
BTF poster and saber guy, "Matt Clement of Alexandria" said that ZiPS has Reddick at 85 OPS+
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
(gasp)
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 5:38 PM PST up reply actions
Boston got the best of us here, but probably not by that much.
Sweeney being productive is predicated on his feeble knees; his bat won’t play at DH, Green Monster notwithstanding. Closers are generally overrated and I think that we’ll get similar value out of whoever lands the role in 2012.
Sometimes a trade only nets you potential, and often that potential is never fulfilled. On the other hand, it isn’t that hard to envision both Bailey and Sweeney getting injured repeatedly while one or more of these new kids becomes a contributor at the major league level for the Oakland/SJ A’s.
This trade looks bad now but could easily end up looking brilliant in a year or two. My bold prediction is this: all 5 players end up disappointing through a combination of injury and lack of production and the trade is utterly forgotten within 2 years.
That's not a very bold prediction. It's very likely to happen. The problem is that the A's
have now missed 3 opportunities to get position players whom they might be able to build around. It’s true that each A level prospect has a low probability of being that person. That’s why you need lots of them. Not getting any, and Head doesn’t count, means the chance of getting that person has gone to zero
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 5:38 PM PST up reply actions
No doubt-it was meant in the spirit of facetiousness.
I guess I’m unreasonably optimistic that we’ll do well looking for bats via the international market and the amateur draft.
That’s not as good as prospects who have been around the pros for a bit, but I feel like that’s what the plan is for better or worse.
I'm all for Soler
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 5:51 PM PST up reply actions
Oh! There is a silver lining!
If Balfour is the closer, then we get to have higher-profile Grant Balfour Ragefests!
Scott Hatteberg, English major.
if mikev weren't banned, he'd say metallica - one...greatest.song.ever
the artist formerly known as inbillywetrust
Why is Reddick getting pooped on so hard?
2 WAR in under 300 PA last season – and plays a seemingly legit CF? Seems like him for Bailey straight up makes sense (they’re both bound to go down with injuries).
From there you just traded an arrow-to-the-knee bench warmer for two upside single A guys who both probably will amount to zero.
Sounds
about right, heh..
I do think Beane did decently in this trade.
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 28, 2011 5:35 PM PST up reply actions
OK, maybe this isn't the best Head we've ever received
But Reddick isn’t so bad, is he? At least his name is Josh. Oh, never mind :(
Death seed
blind man's greed
poets starve and children bleed
nothing he's got
he really needs
21st Century schizoid man.
This is why I'm having a hard time.
A legit MLB CFer is worth an elite reliever, if I’m not mistaken.
I just don’t see how Beane got hosed here.
by sleepingcobra on Dec 28, 2011 5:42 PM PST up reply actions
Except Reddick ain't a legit CF
He’s a COF with the arm for RF.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Ok that makes it more sour.
Still doesn’t seems like a horrible deal. 2 WAR in under 300 PA in your first real look is something to get excited about (for us).
And Andrew Bailey under the bright lights in Boston against the Yankees in a 3-2 game? He’s gonna try to throw it 100 mph and throw his arm to the catcher.
by sleepingcobra on Dec 28, 2011 5:51 PM PST up reply actions
But will the batter swing?
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 5:52 PM PST up reply actions
Depends.
Is his wife into that sort of thing?
by LoneStranger on Dec 28, 2011 5:57 PM PST up reply actions
The Ports rotation should be an interesting follow this spring.
I imagine Cole and Alcantra will be there, and possibly Ynoa as well.
Doesn't matter. We need pitchers.
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think Alcantara is a sure thing
He’ll be 19 all season and only has 17 innings of short-season ball under his belt. Not very likely that he will skip Low A and may not even start there.
I'd think he'd go back to EST and work on his breaking pitches, then break them out in SS
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 11:42 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not impressed
Reddick seems pretty Jeff Francoeur-ish. The other guys look like the kind of people that guys who have no experience evaluating prospects latch onto because they have superficially encouraging minor league statistics. Alcantera’s K rate is awful for rookie ball.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
In Alcantara's defense
All he’s got is his fastball and the ability to throw strikes. His off speed stuff is… pre-pubescent.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Ya I'd rather have a rookie ball pitcher with a major league pitch than worry about numbers
In fact with pitchers I don’t really care about numbers till about AA.
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 8:38 PM PST up reply actions
While I am not the biggest fan of the return for Bailey, I have to believe that this was the best he could get. I do like that he was traded now and not at the trade deadline because it gives whomever ends up being the closer an opportunity to increase their own trade value (there has to be a few GMs that overvalue the CL next to a pitcher’s name).
But this way we get Josh Reddick plus whatever we can inflate Balfour's value to
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 8:39 PM PST up reply actions
4th Outfielder and C+ prospects?
What a steaming pile of shit trade.
Dear Billy – remember OBP? It’s useful. Reddick is bad at it.
Miles Head is useless. Why get another thick barrelled, long-swinging thumper with holes in his swing at first that can’t play anywhere else? At least he’ll hit in the majors. How about a third baseman?
Alcantara’s not even a lottery ticket.
I don’t believe this team will be watchable next year. It’s like he’s actively trying to field a replacement level team next year. And I don’t think we’ve been improved by these trades going forward.
Our scouting is bad, our drafting is poor. We have a terrible record of developing position players.
They’re just shedding payroll and trolling for last place and draft picks now.
Billy Beane is alienating my affections.
to be fair
getting a top 5 draft pick is probably a better way of getting impact talent than trading an oft-injured closer and a 4th OF. Sure the return could and should have been better, but it’s not like Bryce Harper or Wil Myers were coming in the same door Bailey and Sweeney were exiting. Sadly our past draft efforts haven’t been that great either. Hopefully Billy and Co. can do better having a pick closer to the top as opposed to constantly picking in the middle.
Depth? Fooey!
I’m tired of these trades for depth. Bundle your established players for a couple of impact talents.
Gio + Bailey + Sweeney could help another team and get us impact talent. We don’t have one stud hitter in our entire system. Not one. And we didn’t get any back in these trades. The only guys who will actually help this team are Parker and and Peacock, and there’s no guarantee they’ll be better than Gio and Cahill, or as durable.
We cleaned out our major league roster and traded established, young, talented, under control pitchers for guys who might not get hurt, and might develop into decent pitchers. We’re not better off – if we’re very lucky we’ll have the same level of pitching competence we had the last two years.
Latos trade got two first-rounder position players who would start on our team in 2012: Alonso and Grandal. Plus then we could trade Suzuki. We’re not getting any blue-chip talent hitters.
As Bill James noted a long time ago, the talent distribution in baseball is a pyramid. We don’t need more Center fielders who can’t get on base, or have huge platoon splits, or corner outfielders who don’t have power or K at record rates or stockpile second basemen or potential DH’s with massive holes in their game. If you’re going to fire sale the team then get somebody back with a reasonable chance of being an impact hitter.
Cowgill and Reddick are just the latest iteration of crap outfielders Beane has continually traded for. Guys like Aaron Cunningham and Chris Denorfia.
If you want to sell off the team don’t give me marginal improvements to depth.
by DavidS on Dec 28, 2011 8:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Right on!
The only thing I’d disagree with is that Alcantara is a lottery ticket
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 8:40 PM PST up reply actions
But think of all the money they're saving.
Facetiousness aside, I agree with your general premise here. Well said.
by still bills kingdom on Dec 28, 2011 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
It would serve them right if MLB made them trade for Vernon Wells or something
to raise their payroll to the revenue sharing amount
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 11:43 PM PST up reply actions
It's the Reddick Head trade
"You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy."
-Charles Manson
And they're both coming our way
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 8:41 PM PST up reply actions
I think we would have done much better had Bailey not had an injury history
I also think we would do a whole lot better if we had a GM who had a clue but I will wait and see what transpires before making a judgement.
Considering the fact that this guy was gripping his arm like it was attached by frayed, sinewy tendons during the last Spring Training...
…I’m happy enough with this trade.
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
by franks a lot on Dec 28, 2011 7:31 PM PST up reply actions
Idiot. He should have been a better actor.
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 8:41 PM PST up reply actions
You callin' me an idiot?! There's an e-mail awaiting you in your inbox from a Nigerian prince posing as an AN moderator.
Don’t hurt feelings….this is a blog about baseball that I take VERY seriously.
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
by franks a lot on Dec 28, 2011 8:54 PM PST up reply actions
Hee
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
I'll continue to go to games
as I have for more than 40 years, but it seems that the fans care more about the team than the management does.
Isn't that true of all teams. Management gets paid to care. We just do.
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 8:42 PM PST up reply actions
And, it ain't our money either.
"Trying not to rec a "F**k the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."-anonymous
"i guess i just like beer"-stm
Excuse me
I’ve given them a lot of my money over the years…
Nowhere near what the Yankees have.
"Trying not to rec a "F**k the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."-anonymous
"i guess i just like beer"-stm
Yankees!
(shakes fist)
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
Hadn't thought of that.
Yankees and Sox may treat us like their AAA team… but they do pay for the honor of doing so.
Enough smug to kill us all.
"Hello and welcome to another wonderful and frightening night of A's baseball." - Gaijin_Suketto
by EddieVegas_NRAF on Dec 28, 2011 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
Major league minimum salary is $414,000 this year.
How many players have you subsidized?
Baseball is a stupid-making enterprise in that nobody wants to be singled out or say something dumb. —Michael Lewis
All of them?
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 11:43 PM PST up reply actions
Blargh I hate this argument.
"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime
Pretty Meh on the Trade
But at least I can make Chronicles of Riddick Jokes now.
Think Bailey for Reddick is a decent trade ...
… as has been said a bunch of times already, Bailey is a reliever, who are not as valued in the trade market as almost any other type of player, and Bailey is also injury prone.
Reddick is a already a 2 WAR guy, on less than half season of work, who has a good arm, good glove, hits for decent average, and has some power. Plus, he’s known as a top hustle guy. Not star quality, or huge impact guy, but a good outfielder who will help with offense and wins.
And a guy like Bailey would never fetch a star quality (potential) player – again, reliever who is injury prone.
Then it’s Sweeney for two very young, decent ceiling prospects. Sweeney is a good OF who hits lots of singles and has no power, and has flaky knees. I don’t mind giving him up for decent, young prospects. And like Bailey, you can’t get A or B+ prospects for Sweeney.
In what way is Head a decent ceiling prospect. And if you're going to trade Bailey why
do it for a 3rd/4th OF rather than a B prospect with upside?
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 28, 2011 11:45 PM PST up reply actions
I just heard
that we might trade Cliff Pennington to the kid behind us for some Handi-Snacks and a Hi-C Ecto Cooler
Here,
you might enjoy this
I found it reasonably amusing.
by still bills kingdom on Dec 28, 2011 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
After the 3 trades, farm system is much, much better ...
… and we knew the A’s would suck in 12 anyway. Even if they tried to keep everyone – resign the hammer and Crisp, and keep Gio, Cahill, and Bailey, and even tried to pick up another midling player off the heap (about all the A’s can get with their revenue and terrible stadium), they’d still be about 75 to 80 wins, and with a week farm system, with few top prospects.
I say no thanks to that.
I applaud the blow up. We got rid of aging veterens who weren’t helping enough, we traded away a pitcher who forgot his mechanics and the strike zone, traded a very good pitcher with great stuff but control problems, and traded a reliever with injury problems, and we completely restocked the farm. Plus, were getting some extra picks from loosing Willingham, and probably Crisp.
Finally, the A’s might be on their way to a 100 loss season, which will mean a likely top 5 pick. That’s where the big studs come from.
But then again, this group, with a few journeyman vet FA signings (of the Cody Ross type), the A’s might still be in the 75-ish win area for 2012. Pitching is still going to be good, and I believe fielding will improve (it couldn’t get worse than 2011 – and Melvin is a big stickler for practicing fielding, which Geren wasn’t), and hitting could be watchable.
Don’t laugh – I think one or more of Taylor, Allen, Mitchell, Miller, or Carter, will have a break out season, a la Weeks. And Cowgill and Reddick will be solid. And Sizemore will probably be .260-ish with 14-15 dingers.
Regardless, it will fun to watch from the standpoint of seeing the young guys develop.
Based on the C+ ratings for Head and Alcantara
Did the A’s just develop Sickels sale anemia?
by richwol1 on Dec 29, 2011 6:17 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Lessons for the future
Don’t trade closers in the offseason. Wait for the trade deadline, or an injury to a contender’s closer.
Maybe the A’s will get lucky on one of the lottery tickets.
Well on the bright side
The degradation of what is left of our team means that the Sacramento exhibition game in March between the A’s and the RiverCats is going to be far more one sided than it should be and would have been otherwise. I mean hell the A’s shouldn’t even bother to show up now, the RiverCats are going to walk all over them.
I selected Bailey as my favorite player on their 2012 e-brochure
http://athletics.mlb-brochure.com/2012/
I wonder how much longer he is up there. Zuke must be next?
A pretty cautious assessment of Head from the middle of 2011
“Well below average defense; projects as DH or liability at 1B…his overall skill set plays like a poor man’s Matt LaPorta.”
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
But with a funnier name
tko bira, masturbira -- Croatian proverb quoted by elcroata
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 29, 2011 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
Except AJKJ is 2 years older
playing at the same level as Head, isn’t any better as a hitter, and doesn’t have any chance of playing 3B.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
I don't really think Head has any chance of playing 3B in any meaningful capacity.
SoxProspects, who are usually very optimistic with their evaluations, said this about him:
Overall, he’s been average defensively at first base. Choppy footwork at times and about average range. Strong arm for a first baseman. Shows soft hands with improving glovework on balls in the dirt. Projects as average-to-solid-average defensively as long as his body doesn’t fill out too much.But they also said he probably would fill out as he gets older. If he can handle it, great, but I’m not counting on it.
Considering that Matt LaPorta has -1.4 career WAR,
that’s not exactly rocking my world.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Mike Newman really doesn't like Head (insert bad joke here...)
and from what I can tell he’s not just pulling opinions out of his ass. He’s a fangraphs poster, and has watched Head play in the minors. Which makes him a hell of a lot more qualified than I am to have an opinion about the A’s newest minor-leaguer.
Still, although it’s perfectly fair to predict that Head is a future Graham Koonce, I think it’s important to note that he tore up A ball as a 20-year-old. LaPorta didn’t even start his professional career until he was 22. A 20-year-old who makes good adjustments (one of Newman’s observations about him, FWIW), draws walks, makes pretty good contact, and hits for power playing against older guys is someone to notice, at least.
Another way to think of it is this: there are quite a few guys who get drafted high (say, 1st 3 rounds) out of college, who were much lower picks coming out of high school (LaPorta is one example, but there are many others). Head was a 26th-round pick, but according to the Sons of Sam Horn report I linked to over on the other thread, he signed for $300K, which was about what 3rd-rounders signed for in the 2009 draft. If he’d gone to college and hit whatever the college equivalent is of his Greenville numbers, I think a whole lot of scouts would be looking at him as a 1st-round pick in another year or two.
So the guy has a pretty good pedigree, and he was worth a real investment by the Red Sox to keep him from going to college. He proceeded to live up to his hitting projections as a 20-year-old.
He’s obviously not a 5-tool player by any means, and again Newman knows more about him than I do by a long shot. But I’m still going to keep an eye on him, because if he can keep hitting well in AA, and/or hold his own at 3B, he’s going to turn into a B-grade prospect.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
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- The Juice: Long Adam Dunn homer punctuates Chris Sale’s 15 Ks, Mark Trumbo goes deep after Jered Weaver goes down for Angels
- Leyland begs media to make umpires ‘accountable’ for bad calls (VIDEO)
- Get a grip: Reds’ Todd Frazier loses bat, still connects for home run (Video)
- Eric Hosmer redefines the Baltimore chop with infield double (Video)
- College player makes impossible over the fence catch to save tournament game (Video)
