A Look At Jai Miller
UPDATE: A few people pointed out that the graphs I have are actually graphs with MLB performance. These are kind of useless because Miller has very little playing time in the majors. For now, I'll leave them, but I'm going to try to find minor league graphs. If anyone has a website with good minor league graphs, could you please post it (fan graphs.com doesn't work; they only have his MLB graphs)? Thanks!
It doesn't take a genius to realize that the the A's outfield is pretty messed up; none of our three starting OF'ers in 2011 will return next year - that could be a good thing or a bad thing, depending on your point of view - and the A's aren;t looking like they'll sign any free agent outfielders, so it'll be up to Ryan Sweeney and a bunch of youngsters to handle the OF situation next season. On of those rookies is Jai Miller.
Miller has never been an outstanding prospect; when you hear people talk about Oakland minor league outfielders, they're usually referring to Michael Taylor or Michael Choice. In my opinion, Miller hasn't gotten the recognition he deserves, because he could turn out to be a seriously good player.
First, let's take a look at his minor league stats:
| Year | Age | Tm | Lg | Lev | Aff | G | PA | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | SB | CS | BB | SO | TB | GDP | HBP | SH | SF | IBB | ||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2003 | 18 | 2 Teams | 2 Lgs | Rk-A- | FLA | 57 | 214 | 189 | 22 | 39 | 7 | 1 | 1 | 21 | 10 | 4 | 18 | 60 | .206 | .282 | .270 | .552 | 51 | 4 | 3 | 1 | 3 | 0 |
| 2003 | 18 | Marlins | GULF | Rk | FLA | 46 | 166 | 146 | 17 | 29 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 15 | 9 | 3 | 15 | 45 | .199 | .279 | .260 | .539 | 38 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 2 | 0 |
| 2003 | 18 | Jamestown | NYPL | A- | FLA | 11 | 48 | 43 | 5 | 10 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 6 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 15 | .233 | .292 | .302 | .594 | 13 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 |
| 2004 | 19 | Greensboro | SALL | A | FLA | 113 | 433 | 390 | 51 | 80 | 15 | 3 | 12 | 49 | 11 | 4 | 32 | 163 | .205 | .273 | .351 | .625 | 137 | 10 | 5 | 5 | 1 | 0 |
| 2005 | 20 | Greensboro | SALL | A | FLA | 115 | 479 | 415 | 69 | 86 | 14 | 2 | 13 | 34 | 16 | 11 | 57 | 139 | .207 | .305 | .345 | .650 | 143 | 5 | 3 | 1 | 3 | 1 |
| 2006 | 21 | Jupiter | FLOR | A+ | FLA | 111 | 401 | 344 | 40 | 72 | 16 | 2 | 0 | 24 | 24 | 10 | 45 | 115 | .209 | .308 | .267 | .576 | 92 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 2 | 1 |
| 2007 | 22 | Carolina | SOUL | AA | FLA | 129 | 473 | 406 | 54 | 106 | 26 | 2 | 14 | 58 | 12 | 5 | 55 | 127 | .261 | .354 | .438 | .792 | 178 | 10 | 5 | 4 | 3 | 3 |
| 2008 | 23 | Albuquerque | PCL | AAA | FLA | 117 | 498 | 434 | 67 | 116 | 22 | 5 | 19 | 56 | 20 | 6 | 52 | 133 | .267 | .349 | .472 | .821 | 205 | 5 | 5 | 2 | 5 | 3 |
| 2009 | 24 | New Orleans | PCL | AAA | FLA | 102 | 390 | 343 | 55 | 99 | 24 | 2 | 16 | 52 | 6 | 3 | 38 | 106 | .289 | .360 | .510 | .870 | 175 | 4 | 3 | 1 | 5 | 2 |
| 2010 | 25 | 2 Teams | 1 Lg | AAA | KCR,OAK | 94 | 387 | 345 | 47 | 87 | 24 | 2 | 18 | 57 | 5 | 3 | 38 | 132 | .252 | .326 | .490 | .815 | 169 | 7 | 1 | 0 | 3 | 0 |
| 2010 | 25 | Omaha | PCL | AAA | KCR | 84 | 350 | 311 | 45 | 83 | 24 | 2 | 18 | 56 | 2 | 3 | 35 | 113 | .267 | .340 | .531 | .871 | 165 | 7 | 1 | 0 | 3 | 0 |
| 2010 | 25 | Sacramento | PCL | AAA | OAK | 10 | 37 | 34 | 2 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 3 | 0 | 3 | 19 | .118 | .189 | .118 | .307 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| 2011 | 26 | Sacramento | PCL | AAA | OAK | 110 | 475 | 410 | 81 | 113 | 24 | 4 | 32 | 88 | 16 | 0 | 54 | 179 | .276 | .368 | .588 | .956 | 241 | 4 | 8 | 0 | 3 | 1 |
| 9 Seasons | 948 | 3750 | 3276 | 486 | 798 | 172 | 23 | 125 | 439 | 120 | 46 | 389 | 1154 | .244 | .328 | .425 | .753 | 1391 | 54 | 38 | 19 | 28 | 11 | |||||
| AAA (4 seasons) | AAA | 423 | 1750 | 1532 | 250 | 415 | 94 | 13 | 85 | 253 | 47 | 12 | 182 | 550 | .271 | .351 | .516 | .867 | 790 | 20 | 17 | 3 | 16 | 6 | ||||
| A (2 seasons) | A | 228 | 912 | 805 | 120 | 166 | 29 | 5 | 25 | 83 | 27 | 15 | 89 | 302 | .206 | .290 | .348 | .638 | 280 | 15 | 8 | 6 | 4 | 1 | ||||
| AA (1 season) | AA | 129 | 473 | 406 | 54 | 106 | 26 | 2 | 14 | 58 | 12 | 5 | 55 | 127 | .261 | .354 | .438 | .792 | 178 | 10 | 5 | 4 | 3 | 3 | ||||
| Rk (1 season) | Rk | 46 | 166 | 146 | 17 | 29 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 15 | 9 | 3 | 15 | 45 | .199 | .279 | .260 | .539 | 38 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 2 | 0 | ||||
| A- (1 season) | A- | 11 | 48 | 43 | 5 | 10 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 6 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 15 | .233 | .292 | .302 | .594 | 13 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | ||||
| A+ (1 season) | A+ | 111 | 401 | 344 | 40 | 72 | 16 | 2 | 0 | 24 | 24 | 10 | 45 | 115 | .209 | .308 | .267 | .576 | 92 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 2 | 1 | ||||
He's been hanging around in the minors for quite some time, now; since 2003, in fact. He's spent almost all of his minor league career in the Marlins' system, and 2011 was the first year that he played a full season in Sacramento. Looking at his stats, he seems to be a guy who has power and can drive in runs; however, his average is low, his strikeout rate is high, and he has a low OBP. Doesn't take a lot of walks, either. He hits a fair amount of doubles and some triples; his speed is nothing to write home about.
From 2004-2006, he played in over 100 games each year, but had an average around the Mendoza Line. He also had 417 strikeouts compared to 134 walks in 1313 plate appearances. He didn't hit a lot of homers; in fact, in 2006, he had 0 homers coupled with 24 RBI and a .209 average.
The season I want to look at specifically is 2011: Not only did he hit .276, he had 88 RBI, and, more surprisingly, 32 homeruns. How does a guy who has never hit 20 homeruns in a year suddenly hit 32? Is it just that he's a big, strong guy?

Here's a graph showing his flyball/groundball/line drive rate since 2008. It's pretty clear that he's a flyball hitter; his percentages of flyballs peaked this year, while his line drive rate decreased. About 68% of balls hit were flyballs, 14 were line drives, and 28% were groundballs. A high flyball ratio can lead to homers, so this may help us understand Miller.

This graph shows his strikeout percentage. Not much to be said here: his strikeout numbers are off the charts, definitely in the "poor" zone. He's a free swinger, and he strikes out a lot. Not overly concerned about this.
And, well, that's all I've got to say. Miller is a power hitter who strikes out a lot, doesn't walk much, and can hit absolute bombs. His 2nd homerun in the majors was an opposite field shot in Safeco Field, no small feat. To sum everything up: I like him. All of the young guys will get plenty of playing time in 2012, and Miller will be among them. He's a good kid with power, and could be a good young player in the MLB.
More graphs can be found here:
http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs.aspx?playerid=5715&position=OF&page=0&type=full
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Nice charts!
My choice in the poll would have been:
He probably isn’t any good, but neither is Taylor, Cowgill’s unexciting and Sweeney can’t really cover the whole outfield so let’s give him a shot.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2011 8:38 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
Agreed.
I would have selected that too. Might as well give him a shot.
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Taylor is a once-was
Miller is a never-was.
There’s a difference. It’s a lot more plausible to think that Taylor could recover his 2008-2009 form than that Miller could rise to a level that he’s never reached in his life (particularly since doing so would require him to cure an almost incurable problem, viz. horrible contact skills).
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Except that Miller 2011 was pretty good
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2011 10:46 PM PST up reply actions
In the context of his age and his BABIP,
he really wasn’t that great. He had a great season, but his lack of AAA contact skills (basically showing that #5 starters can strike him out a lot) pretty much neutralizes the fact that as an “varsity age JV player” a lot of the balls he hit were not catchable.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 16, 2011 8:40 AM PST up reply actions
Good write-up
Although I am still not convinced he is any different then previous prospects like Matt Carson or Matt Watson. It would be a nice surprise if he amounts to anything.
I was going to write pretty much the same thing...
He’s a Matt, but his name is Jai.
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by the_rozeboom on Dec 15, 2011 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
I appreciate the effort but
the guy struck out at a 37.7% clip in AAA last year AND had a .401 BABIP.
He K’d 179 times in 110 games. That’s just terrible. I don’t need anymore stats to know he would easily break the strikeout record given a full season in the majors.
While it would be nice to think we could give him a shot to see if he’d be worth something in the future, he’s just not. I’d much rather see what we can get out of Cowgill and Taylor because both have better potential to contribute in the majors than Miller…
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I understand Cowgill, but why Taylor? Doesn't he suck as well?
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2011 9:30 AM PST up reply actions
He hasn't put up numbers worth getting concerned about in the minors...
No K rates above 20%, no BABIP as extraordinary as Miller’s. I’m not saying Taylor will be better, but he’s got a much better chance to be better based on minor league performance…Miller is completely a waste of time…
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by stranahanahan on Dec 15, 2011 11:15 PM PST up reply actions
I don't see Taylor as being much of a minor league performer either. His main advantage
is that he was a B prospect once upon a time.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 16, 2011 6:28 AM PST up reply actions
Dude, he put up amazing numbers in '08-'09
He was an A prospect at that time.
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by stranahanahan on Dec 16, 2011 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
"A" prospect according to whom? You?
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 18, 2011 7:47 AM PST up reply actions
Yea, pretty much what I was going to say
The k-rate just really feels like a dealbreaker. It wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world if he got some playing time in Oakland this year but there a number of other guys I would put ahead of him in line for a shot.
Are any of those guys in the Oakland organization?
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2011 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
I think Taylor and Cowgill are clearly a step above Miller
I’d actually be more interested in seeing what Brandon Moss and Jermaine Mitchell can do before taking a look at Miller. Not that any of those guys are all that great. But the likelihood of someone with strikeout issues as severe as Miller being playable at the MLB is so small, I’d rather the other guys get a look.
Yeah, I mean, the guy could K at a 50% rate in the majors
And that’s not exactly hyperbole. That’s terrifying…
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by stranahanahan on Dec 15, 2011 11:16 PM PST up reply actions
Even if he adjusted to the majors quickly he'd still be a major long shot
I mean this year in AAA he batted over .400 on balls in play and only managed to hit .276. If his BABIP falls back into a more normal range he will struggle to keep it above .200, a player would have to walk a ton and hit for crazy power to be valuable with a batting average that low. So it’s not just the fact that his contact rate would likely get worse as he faced better pitching, he would have to significantly improve it to have a chance of being a successful major leaguer.
I'm expecting Miller to be replacement level. I'm just not expecting a whole
lot more from Taylor or Moss either. It’s curious to me that people have such strong pro-Taylor feelings just because he was a B prospect 3 years ago
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 16, 2011 6:27 AM PST up reply actions
It's curious to me that you have such strong anti-Taylor feelings just because he had one down season.
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It's not that I'm anti-Taylor so much as I'm thinking that he and Moss
and Miller are all basically the same, while a bunch of others are either giving Taylor the starting position or insisting that he needs a shot to prove that he is or isn’t a major leaguer. Also he’s had one very bad season and one mediocre season. I expect nothing of out any of the three, except maybe Miller can be a backup CF perhaps.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 16, 2011 8:43 AM PST up reply actions
But they're not basically the same.
I mean, I’m all for letting Miller get a shot, but it’s because I wanna see him break the single season K record — which he would demolish
His career K rate is 40%
Has there EVER been a productive major league player with a 40% K rate?
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No.
Players with minimum 1000 PA ranked by K rate.
If you look at players with >30% K rate and rank them by wOBA or WRC+, the leader is.
(wait for it)
Jack Cust!
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by PDXAthleticsfan on Dec 16, 2011 9:34 AM PST up reply actions
So my dream of playing Cust in CF could come true!
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 18, 2011 7:37 AM PST up reply actions
And a nickname was born...
Black Cust
by Billy Frijoles on Dec 19, 2011 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
So you'd rather play a guy you expect to be replacement level in Miller
Than take a chance on Taylor? I don’t get it. Taylor could very easily be better than that. Of course, he could be worse also, but with him at least there’s variation…
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by stranahanahan on Dec 16, 2011 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
I'm all for taking a chance on Taylor.....once he shows he can hit AAA
like a 26 yo bat only player should
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 18, 2011 7:36 AM PST up reply actions
In the games I watched in person, he looked good in the field.
I have seats on the RF line.
I had a great view of Taylor in the games he started towards the end of the year. His arm is very strong. Accuracy needs to improve but he can really throw.
Also he is pretty fast. Sometimes doesn’t take the best routes, but he made a couple of really great plays out there as well.
by Billy Frijoles on Dec 19, 2011 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
I've seen him play enough to say anyone who thinks he's "bat only" is dead wrong.
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2 years ago Taylor was, according to Sickels, "B+, borderline A-" and BA's #29 overall prospect
Jai Miller once managed to sneak into the back end of Sickels’s book.
This comparison is ridiculous.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
It would have been ridiculous two years ago sure.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 18, 2011 7:35 AM PST up reply actions
Moss is a good idea, but Mitchell in injured to start the year, no?
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 16, 2011 6:25 AM PST up reply actions
Yea, supposedly Mitchell surgery will have him a little behind this spring
But I figure if you give Cowgill and Taylor the nod to start the season, by the time one of them proves they’re not ready for a MLB job he should be back up to speed and ready to take his turn.
You have to really be careful with those two Fangraphs graphs.
Because they’re not based on MiLB stats, but MLB stats. And he’s had:
2008: 1 PA
2010: 60 PA
2011: 12 PA
Ja will probably be our 4th OF....
I’m hopin Taylor and Carter coming out swinging in ST and win the Corner Jobs with Allen and Barton handling 1b/DH….Not sure I’ m in love with Sweeney – he is probably done progressing as a player – But maybe even Choice sluggs it out like Cargo did in spring for us years ago and win the CF job….Jai lookin’ like the 4th OF….
This team doesn’t need any stop gap type players – we need to see what we have with the young guys now….its now or never for guys like Carter and Taylor which would mean little playing time for Jai
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Fair to say
I agree on Sweeney. You watch him walk onto the field and you say wow; big, strong kid, but no power stroke at all. He will fade into the ether as his ABs per season decrease sequencially over the next few years. Shame. I think he is down on himself too. One of the interviews I saw him give last year was almost depressing to watch.
Baja been here
He might have been depressed because of his injuries. Good health may help that.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2011 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
sweeney / brett butler?
Just a thought as i was catching up on this thread – I like Sweeney and i’d be ok with him as a starter, while we try everyone else out, and see where the fit(s) are in the OF. He had to take a backseat to DeJesus / Willingham / Matsui last year, and I’d like the A’s to give him another legitimate shot.
See if Taylor / Cowgill / Allen take charge and at least one steps up. Barton @ 1st, back in form, with Carter on the side…
OT: quite a haul for the Padres. Gio should come in less than that, but I’d be totally fine with hanging on to him – deal at the trade deadline for a better return, and after we’ve had the first half of the year to see what we’ve got….
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by catfish hunter on Dec 17, 2011 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
Oh Wow
Really? I’m so sorry. I pulled ‘em off fangraphs.com and figured they were based on minor league performances. I’ll try to find some minor league graphs.
by Sean Fortuna on Dec 16, 2011 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
Yes they're still pretty
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 18, 2011 7:38 AM PST up reply actions
I wanna see him play the full season just to hope he has 250 strikeouts.
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by mikev on Dec 15, 2011 10:51 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Or awesome!
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2011 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
The new Jack Cust.
But without the on base skills. So…he’s worse. But probably better defensively from what I am hearing.
If we aren’t going to compete why not let him play and strike out in almost 40% of his at bats. I mean…dingers!
Cust took a ton of walks. Miller, not so much
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Oh, right, "without the on-base skills". Like you said
Duh.
And yeah, he’s got to be much better defensively. He might be able to play a decent CF.
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Unlikely
Why would you throw him something in the strike zone?
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His BB rate isn't bad
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2011 10:47 PM PST up reply actions
Oh my god
This!
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by stranahanahan on Dec 15, 2011 11:16 PM PST up reply actions
"because he could turn out to be a seriously good player."
This is going to be over the top snark, but with Jai Miller there is nothing else that is appropriate:
“Because he could turn out to have the cure for cancer”
“Because he could turn out to be Santa Claus”
“Because he could turn out to be the second coming of Christ”
Are all sentence more likely than…
“because he could turn out to be a seriously good player.”
That is all.
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by dwishinsky on Dec 15, 2011 1:35 PM PST reply actions 6 recs
So, what you're saying is that the second coming of Christ wouldn't be that good of a player
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
He'd be even older relative to league than Jai Miller is
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Whoa
Since when have you been so quick with the snark?
Bravo, good sir…
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by stranahanahan on Dec 15, 2011 11:25 PM PST up reply actions
Jai Miller is shitty
That’s all.
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by Flashfire on Dec 15, 2011 1:37 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
I like your thoughts on the matter
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by cuppingmaster on Dec 15, 2011 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
I mean, basically he's a guy who will give you decent D but at the plate...
…he’s all or nothing, swings hard all the time and once in a while he runs into one.
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This may be true, but is he any shittier than Michael Taylor?
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2011 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
no, the 10% K rate difference in the minor leagues means they are exactly the same.
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And yet the fact that one is a CF and one is a merely adequate RF has no bearing on the situation?
I’m not saying Miller’s any good. I’m saying I don’t understand why Taylor is on anyone’s radar screen either.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2011 10:49 PM PST up reply actions
But just because he's a CF means he's a more valuable player?
For all we know Taylor is a better CFer than Miller. There are no indications that Miller can actually field the position, just that he’s there…
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by stranahanahan on Dec 15, 2011 11:26 PM PST up reply actions
It doesn't mean that he's more valuable necessarily. But it more than balances
the difference in contact rate in my view. I’ve hardly seen either one play, but the reports are that Miller is an at least average CF, while Taylor is at most an average RF, so I would really doubt that Taylor can play CF better than Miller. Do your eyes tell you something different than the reports?
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 16, 2011 6:24 AM PST up reply actions
No, but careful with your wording
Don’t just throw “Miller at least” and Taylor “at most” just to try and validate your opinion. If that’s the case, then back it up with actual reports.
But really, IMO, unless Miller happens to field like Tony Gwynn Jr., nothing makes up for the contact rate. It’s not just bad, it’s historically bad.
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by stranahanahan on Dec 16, 2011 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
My "actual reports" are behind a pay wall, so I won't post them here
but if you don’t disagree why are you making an issue of it?
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 18, 2011 7:43 AM PST up reply actions
Jai Miller should remain in AAA not even be considered
I could bat blindfolded and make better contact
it's possible he could run into one...
at least in an HBP sense.
by Billy Frijoles on Dec 16, 2011 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
The chart for strike-out rate amuses me because
his strike-out rate is literally “off the charts”. That is, the green line extends beyond box that was selected for display.
Seriously, if you use MiLB numbers instead, his K% still increases:
2009 = 27.2%
2010 = 34.1%
2011 = 37.7%
I would be willing to believe the increase in HRs in 2011 suggests he figured something out if the K% didn’t go up as well. Looks to me like he’s just swinging harder and more.
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didn't bautista make a swing change too? he re-connected with an old batting coach or something?
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i think he was hanging out with Braun.....somehow made all the difference
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His flyball rate increased dramatically in 2010
But his BABIP was also absurdly low. With Miller, it was both at the same time…
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by stranahanahan on Dec 15, 2011 11:27 PM PST up reply actions
I'd rather give the job to Jeff Fiorentino
or Jermaine Mitchell.
And that’s not saying much, because even I can’t seriously contend that either of those guys is fit to start at center field for a major league team.
Can’t the team sign like Endy Chavez or something? At least if the guy has good defense, the games/season will be over sooner.
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Because they'll be more end-y?
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Mitchell is a good idea, but he's injured to start the season, no?
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2011 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
But aren't we fighting for 1st pick in the draft?
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by stranahanahan on Dec 15, 2011 11:28 PM PST up reply actions
Endy Chavez already signed with the Orioles.
The A’s plan is to suck until they get a new ballpark. They might as well pretend Jai Miller is a good player.
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Plus if Miller strikes out on 3 pitches every time, the games will be over sooner
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He fits the criteria of every player we're going to field for at least the next three years.
1) Cheap.
2) Expendable.
3) Cheap and expendable.
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I want to see Jai Miller start at center
Not because I think he’s awesome, but because I think he’s better than his competition. I already watched the matts play all season. Can’t be any worse.
by gambler on Dec 15, 2011 8:36 PM PST via mobile reply actions
He could be the Matts,
only with less contact against the baseball or the wall.
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Did you sleep through 2011? No Matts! :D
Jai Miller is not better than his competition. He is better than no one. The Matts are better than Miller. Unquestionably.
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Let him start the season at AAA in CF....
… log all the AB’s possible, keep the power, get the K numbers down into the 25% range while showing some semblance of the strike zone, and then we’ll talk. At that point, knowing how shitty our OF will be, he’ll have even forced the conversation – and if all that happens, maybe a call-up.
That’s about my best case scenario for Jai Miller.
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Who would you have in the OF to start?
And no….Sweeney at all 3 positions isn’t allowed
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 15, 2011 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
As of today, I'd start Cowgill, Sweeney, and Taylor.
But give all the rest, including Miller, a chance to earn a spot in spring training.
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I think I would start Allen in left, Sweeney in center and Cowgill in right
with Barton manning first. I would probably keep Miller on the team over Taylor just because of his ability to play center field though I think that Taylor is more likely to become a regular in the long run.
Interesting that neither you nor iglew wanted Cowgill in CF
Also I’m not sure whether Barton will be ready to start the season. Will he?
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 16, 2011 6:22 AM PST up reply actions
Huh?
The order I listed wasn’t left to right; it was first choice, second choice, third choice.
Since you just asked for the three I didn’t really think about who was in which position, but now that you mention it I do imagine Cowgill in CF.
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Incidentally,
I have Brandon Allen presumptively at 1B, with Barton, Kila, Carter all in the “chance to earn a spot in spring training” category
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unfortunately Allen hasn't done anything to earn that spot.
There should be competition at all 3 OF spots, 1B, DH, 3B, and two spots in the rotation (assuming Gio, Anderson and Braden are in). Moscoso is a favorite to take one of those spots, Sizemore hit well and is the favorite at 3B, I don’t even see a favorite anywhere else.
If nothing else, this will be an interesting spring.
by Billy Frijoles on Dec 16, 2011 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
Except Anderson (and maybe Braden) likely won't be ready for opening day.
At this point, it’s four spots for at least the first month until Braden is ready (that my prediction for the scenario, at least).
Barring a Gio trade, I’m figuring opening day is Gio, Moscoso, Outman, Parker, Ross/Godfrey, with Braden replacing Ross/Godfrey in May.
I think I’m gonna be sick.
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by PDXAthleticsfan on Dec 16, 2011 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
Otherwise, I agree.
One of Barton/Kila/Carter/Allen is probably gonna be the odd man out.
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by PDXAthleticsfan on Dec 16, 2011 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
Sure. That's what "presumptively" means.
Of course there’s competition for every spot.
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Not if it's an irrebuttable presumption
/lawyer’d
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
A term
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by PDXAthleticsfan on Dec 17, 2011 6:53 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
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Was going to type? “a term I’ve never quite understood,” Esp. the opposite – rebuttable presumption, which comes up in environmental stuff I’ve done. If it’s rebuttable, is it that much of an advantage?
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by PDXAthleticsfan on Dec 17, 2011 6:57 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Well, yes
Having a rebuttable presumption on your side puts the burden on the other side to come forward with hard evidence refuting it. When there’s no good evidence either way (which is surprisingly often the case), the presumption will determine the winner.
Also of particular note, it is FAR easier (like, orders of magnitude easier) to win early dismissals and summary judgment motions when a presumption is in your favor (most commonly, but not always, the general presumption in favor of the defense). In theory, that doesn’t affect the merits of the case, but it sure affects the incentives of how much it’s going to cost to litigate versus settling it.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Delayed response, but
The situation that I’m familiar with is if you follow regulations to determine the damages associated with contaminated sites (CERCLA or OPA, if you have a familiarity with env. regs.) The problem being that following the regulations is so complex that there are only a handful of places where they’ve actually been followed – the bar for gaining the rebuttable presumption is high enough (esp. given dwindling budgets for resource agencies) that they effectively serve as a disincentive to gain the rebuttable presumption. The polluters, knowing this full well, have a pretty easy time convincing the agencies to settle for much less than what the damages would likely be if the regs were followed.
As a result, my feelings toward rebuttable presumptions are skeptical, at best, but I’m sure there are other situations where it’s not so bad.
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by PDXAthleticsfan on Dec 20, 2011 9:03 AM PST up reply actions
Feeling a little better now!

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by PDXAthleticsfan on Dec 16, 2011 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
Ugh, if they begin the season with Parker in the rotation
I will have very little faith in those who are running this organization anymore.
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by stranahanahan on Dec 16, 2011 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, if it's gonna only be a month or so until Braden is ready,
I’d rather it be Ross or Godfrey then Parker. But I wouldn’t rule out the A’s giving it to Parker, esp. since Ross lost his mojo since his surgery and Godfrey, is, well, Godfrey.
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by PDXAthleticsfan on Dec 16, 2011 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know why you'd expect otherwise
They’ve pretty clearly demonstrated their utter indifference to the concept of service time, and he’s almost certainly going to be better than whoever the alternative 5th starter is.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Bums me out after his strong start
But I can’t remember a game he played out of he last 30 or so where he didn’t K at least once.
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by stranahanahan on Dec 16, 2011 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
I would put Cowgill in CF.
If I were the A’s, I would want to find out if Cowgill is a legitimate option in CF in the majors. Since the scouting reports (that we as fans have seen at least) have been less than definitive one way or the other, this would be the time to make that determination. It’s not like the A’s really lose anything if it turns out he can’t cut it there.
I’d probably do Allen in LF, Cowgill in CF and Taylor in RF, with Sweeney waiting to step in if (when) one member of that group falls on his face.
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by UrgentMirth on Dec 16, 2011 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
LF: Allen CF: Sweeney RF: Taylor
OF4: The Cow
OF5: When necessary, Rosales/Sogard, then Mitchell once healthy.
FWIW:
1B: Carter, then Barton/Kila
It helps Miller none – and the team none – to let him sit the bench in Oakland. Give him regular AB’s in Sacto where he can learn the strike zone and prove whether or not his power is real. Yeah, I know – old dog, new tricks, yadda yadda, but the Oakland franchise is in NO position to let an OF with possible 25+ HR power go to waste without unturning every stone on the guy’s potential.
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by RyanFromBonas on Dec 16, 2011 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
DH Carter/Kila, 1B Barton/Kila
If one of them outperforms either of the other two, things will solve themselves.
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that is a very good point re: the state of the franchise
We definitely should give every chance for Miller to succeed, because if he does, we desperately need that kind of a player.
by Billy Frijoles on Dec 16, 2011 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
Jai Miller has "possible" 25 home run power in the same sense that I do
If that ever happens, people should start consuming headgear and watching for flying ungulates, because some weird shit is happening.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
If you went deep 32 times last year in Sacramento.....
Yeah, I’d expect you to be in the A’s plans to some degree given our outfield depth at the moment. Even if that only means a cactus league look-see.
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by RyanFromBonas on Dec 19, 2011 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
If you are in your 8 millionth straight year at AAA and don't hit 32 HR's something is wrong with you
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by iglew on Dec 19, 2011 3:25 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The A's need to hold out for a paranthropus boisei
The team needs a lot more robusticity.
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It's a bit dated now, but

this analysis is pretty much still the standard for quantifying GRIT.
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Heh.
I was gonna post that one earlier.
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by PDXAthleticsfan on Dec 16, 2011 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
I believe the former is covered by "toughness" and "hating to lose" is incorporated into the X-factor.
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by PDXAthleticsfan on Dec 16, 2011 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
Studies have shown an extremely strong correlation
of hairstyle to toughness. You can’t really use uniform dirt to measure toughness unless you control for hair.
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True.
GRIT score <0
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by PDXAthleticsfan on Dec 16, 2011 3:47 PM PST up reply actions
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by PDXAthleticsfan on Dec 16, 2011 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
There is probably no truth to the rumour
that Jai Miller is actually Derek Bryant, playing under an assumed name.
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I think there's a reason
Jai Miller hasn’t been anointed this teams starting CFer in 2012 – I mean, the OF is wide open, yet he hasn’t even been guaranteed a spot on the big league roster.
Does anyone here remember Jesus Guzman and his 2008 season?
That huge BABIP reminds me of Guzman circa 2008. However, Guzman never struck out at nearly the clip that Miller has, which is likely one of the reasons that he finally stuck with a big league club last year and actually was a 2.3 WAR player in limited time with the Padres. If the A’s had that little faith in Guzman, it doesn’t surprise me that they, like the most of us, consider Miller’s season last year to be anomalous and are taking a wait and see approach. If he lights it up in spring training and does stick and puts up any sort of productive numbers in the first half next year, they’d be foolish not to trade him while his stock is high.
There's that sell-high thing again.
I don’t get it. If he puts up great numbers in spring training, is that for real or not? If it is for real, then we should keep him and try him out. If it’s not for real, how does that suddenly make him valuable in trade? Are other GMs going to see a couple good weeks in spring and somehow be duped into not noticing his strikeouts for several years?
(And if the other GMs really are that stupid, why didn’t we use that trick to trade that other outfielder who rocked spring training a few years ago and was so pissed off that he didn’t make the team. (Damn, what was his name? I can’t remember.))
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Todd Linden?
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 18, 2011 7:46 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, that's the one.
He had a fantastic spring training in 2008. Were the A’s foolish not to trade him while his stock was high?
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yeah.
If he is good in the spring he will earn a starting job. The OF is up for grabs and you can bet that every possible OF who will be in spring training knows that.
by Billy Frijoles on Dec 19, 2011 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
I said if he put up good numbers in the first half
then we should trade him – and it’s not sell high, it’s sell smart. Yes, I think there are GM’s that would look at one half season of statistics and be foolish enough to trade some prospects of actual value to the A’s for a guy like Miller.
Which GMs did you have in mind?
I think those guys are all gone now.
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Kenny Williams
is still making the occasional “highly questionable” trade – and he gambled on Alex Rios without much of a track record. Of course, unlike Miller, scouts had always fawned over Rios despite his inconsistent performance.
Forget Jai; let's go get Milton Bradley and Jose Canseco as our corner OFers!
Every man for himself...
Jai Miller and other rookie OF
For the sake of an argument, I believe this discussion about Jai Miller is nonsensical and only explainable by the lack of BB activity. On many teams there has been a fifth-sixth bat with a relatively high strikeout rate, but representing a high HR threat. At this time, this is strictly fantasy baseball – we do not know how any of the rookie OFs will fare once the season starts. Some limited information will be available after the A’s abbreviated Spring Training, but it will weigh heavily on Melvin to decide whom to put in his OF on opening day – the data base will be too small. And, since the team is not expected to be in the race this year anyway, might as well use as many of these youngsters as possible, to see what can be made of them. In fact, since we know what Sweeney is capable of (which is nothing spectacular, anyway), I would use the rookies to test them to the max – and leave Sweeney for later in the season, in case those do not pan out. For that matter – I would think long and hard to try to squeeze Green and Choice into the lineup – let them have as much encouragement and coaching as possible, but train them at the MLB level!

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