David DeJesus Signs with the Chicago Cubs
by Tyler Bleszinski on Nov 30, 2011 1:43 PM PST
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PrintWell that was a crappy year in Oakland. I just told Al Yellon, who runs our Cubs site, good luck with him, I just hope he remembers to pack his bat when he heads to Chicago because he left it in Kansas City.
Could this be like another former Royal who had one miserable year in Oakland and then went on to star for a struggling franchise that hadn't won a World Series and was cursed? We shall see. DeJesus had the worst year of his career offensively in Oakland (how many times are we going to say THAT phrase?). And he is someone that a lot of SABR-oriented GMs have pursued for a while. He did have a career .360 OBP until last year.
He wasn't in Oakland long enough to get attached and this is likely the first of a few different outfielders to sign elsewhere this offseason. As A's fan, get ready because the exodus is just beginning.
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I'm O negative
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Didn’t really help the New York Mets turn it around.
by Hit4TheCycle on Nov 30, 2011 2:01 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Just posted this in another thread, which I fear may be dead
and I’d really like an answer so I’m gonna re-post it:
What’s stopping the A’s from calling up the Twins and saying, "overpay for Willingham, in exchange we’ll give you Chris Carter for close to nothing, plus right before our pick you can text Billy Beane one name that he isn’t allowed to draft, so you won’t lose your guy by giving us a pick ahead of you, and we’ll call it a day."
??? That’s totally not illegal, right?
It's a pretty bad deal for the Twins though. I'd want something more than Carter for the right
to overpay for Willingham. Maybe Gray.
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 30, 2011 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
Why would it be a bad deal for the Twins?
If they want Willingham, and they have been linked to him. They would essentially be getting Chris Carter for free.
Giving them Gray would be a steep price for us
Gray (who probably doesn’t suck) + Carter for the 4th or so pick? Sort of like punting last year.
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by cuppingmaster on Nov 30, 2011 11:46 PM PST up reply actions
Red Sox
Might be better for the A’s to push Bailey to the Red Sox for a few young prospects and say to the Sox, that if they sign Willigham that A’’s would throw in $1 million into the Bailey deal.
The million makes sure the A’s pick in top 25. If for example the Twins sign Willingham the pick would be about # 60.
The Blue Jays would work even better, but not sure they want Willigham.
They could certainly use Bailey but their prospects aren't that great. It would probably
be one of Reddick, Middlebrooks, Lavernway and then Bogaerts, Iglesias, Brentz. That wouldn’t excite me, but it’s not terrible I guess.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 1, 2011 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
Yes I wouldn't do it from the A's perspective but I'd not think Carter enough to sign
Willingham as the highest bidder if I’m the Twins
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 1, 2011 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
The question is not whether it's illegal.
MLB is a clubby place. You won’t score points with Bud by flouting the spirit of the new agreement before the ink is even dry.
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{Insert obligatory frat brother statement}
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by PDXAthleticsfan on Nov 30, 2011 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
Protected Picks
I find it hard to believe that MLB would not protect the first 15 picks in the draft. I would guess that if Willingham signs with the Twins, the A’s will get a 2nd round pick as comp.
On a side note, If Willingham signs with the Phillies, do the A’s get the pick just before the Phillies 1st round (going to the Red Sox for Paplebon) or do they get the pick just before the 2nd round pick?
And on the same thought, what if one team signed signed all the Williham type FA’s. Say for example the Red Sox pick #26. Would there be at 26a, 26b, 26c and so on. Or would there be a pick before 1st, then one before the 2nd round and so on based on Elias ranking?
they are protected, they just move down.
by Billy Frijoles on Nov 30, 2011 4:58 PM PST up reply actions
When going down
I always use protection
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by darooster on Nov 30, 2011 4:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm still super curious about this...
If the compensatory picks start after 15, then it will probably actually benefit the A’s who have the 11th pick. If they start after 10…..
I has a sad.
The team just took a big hit on the smile stat. Bye bye, DeHotness.
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looks like he is smiling after a swing and a miss.
Don’t get too broken up over it.
by Billy Frijoles on Nov 30, 2011 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
I'm sure that DeJesus
will rise again in the spring, if only for a few days of Cactus League play against us.
hmmmmmm
FOX Sports’ Ken Rosenthal reports that the Rangers are attempting to trade for A’s closer Andrew Bailey.
Here
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by Geronimo Berroa on Nov 30, 2011 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
And Here
"You can attract a hitter but you can't make him hit" -Lou Wolff
by Geronimo Berroa on Nov 30, 2011 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
If the A's trade Bailey does that mean Ryan Sweeney will have to be the closer too?
But seriously, folks....
by Bed. on Nov 30, 2011 3:38 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Yes.
Apparently the A’s want him to make a record of most positions played at once!
Or Campy
Scott Hatteberg, English major.
by Englishmajor on Nov 30, 2011 4:17 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
No. Sweeney isn't even in the OF anymore as per Forst's omission on MLB Network Radio
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He said as relayed by Jim Bowden on xm
“Forst AGM A’s told us @mlbnetworkradio that besides Michael Taylor they have no ML OFers &if season started today ball would just drop in OF”
Now… must be taken with a grain of salt, this is Bowden paraphrasing. I am still hoping the iview is posted to review.
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LOL
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Nov 30, 2011 7:51 PM PST up reply actions
I think if I were Sweeney, I might actually have more of a mad.
“You have ONE outfielder, and you couldn’t remember him?”
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They really should show more respect to a guy who has to do the work of three players.
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by lenscrafters on Nov 30, 2011 7:59 PM PST up reply actions
The way the A's fielded this year, the ball would drop even if they had five outfielders
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So Chris Carter is playing OF then?
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A portion of the Forst interview is posted
It sounds like it cuts in just after the discussion of the outfield. There is some interesting stuff in the snippet posted, though. Forst says the training staff expects Braden to be ready sometime in April, and that Anderson could be ready by the All Star break. He also suggests that they have received interest not just on Bailey, but also on Fuentes and Balfour.
by Glorious Mundy on Dec 1, 2011 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
Fuentes was the 2010 mvp for his instrumental role in freeing us of Geren.
He can do nothing better for us, get rid of him now before his terrible performance makes us forget about what he did for this franchise.
by Billy Frijoles on Dec 1, 2011 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
I actually think Fuentes is pretty good when used correctly
But even so, if Beane/Forst can get a decent prospect for him or use him to sweeten a package, they’ve gots to do it.
by Glorious Mundy on Dec 1, 2011 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
he is a totally disposable piece for a rebuilding team...
by Billy Frijoles on Dec 1, 2011 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
I agree with both GM and BF
He is good when used correctly, but we certainly don’t need a LH specialist
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DeJesus' deal is a steal for Chicago
He put up 2.2 WAR in Oakland. His $10M in Chicago for two years is worthwhile even by his one bad year in Oakland. Theo is a heck of a GM. I’d have LOVED to see Beane make this deal. DeJesus is the real deal, one shitty year a career does not make.
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I agree that for the Cubs, you gotta go for value.
Them overpaying and signing FAs to ludicrous long-term contracts was an unmitigated disaster, Theo immediately is putting some sense in there.
Also Theo is smarting from the Crawford signing…lesson learned?
by Billy Frijoles on Nov 30, 2011 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
Abso-freaking-lutely.
It’s an amazing deal for Chicago. Theo just generated $20MM of surplus value, essentially.
Judging from his wife's reaction on twitter, he may have given the Cubs a hometown discount
@KimDeJesus12
Kimberly DeJesus
Lol I’m already at the nail salon painting my nails cubs colors!!! The best colors in baseball!!!!!
@KimDeJesus12
Kimberly DeJesus
When I was 7 I had a Ryan sandberg poster in my room and told everyone that I was gonna marry him :) Looks like I just had the wrong name!
@KimDeJesus12 Kimberly DeJesus
I was born a cubs fan, and now im married to one!!!!!! :) COULDNT BE MORE EXCITED!!!!!!!!!!!!! GOOOOO CUBBIES!!!!!!!!!!
by Glorious Mundy on Nov 30, 2011 6:19 PM PST up reply actions
not sure how you get that from those tweets.
by Billy Frijoles on Nov 30, 2011 6:32 PM PST up reply actions
She loved Andray Dawson and Leeawn Durham too
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auto-correct?
Must admit, was happy when I heard that the Cubs had signed him, but also agree that it is a good deal for them, especially considering the large contracts they have.
No
Amanda McCarthy is quite funny. As is Brooke Sizemore.
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by cuppingmaster on Dec 1, 2011 8:48 AM PST up reply actions
It's an automobile company but that's not important right now.
But seriously, folks....
by Bed. on Nov 30, 2011 10:36 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Hee
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 1, 2011 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
DeJesus, why have you forsaken us?
Is DeJesus a savior for Cubs’ corner outfield woes?
Theo is a firm believer in DeJesus
Sportswriters love outfield signing, praise DeJesus
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I didn't realize Damon was so bad in '01
until I looked at the numbers. I must’ve been cutting him some slack because we made the playoffs that year. Did he do anything v. the Yankees in the ALDS?
I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.
Maybe Matt Stairs will come out of retirement home and play OF for us....
Who care about Dejuses – I’m more worried about losing Coco, Bailey, Maybe Gio….
For a team that everyone thought might be in the WS in 2011, its not looking to good for us to be anywhere but the cellar in 2012…
Lance "you sunk my" Blankenship
My recollection is that Damon suuuuuuuucked the first half of the season and then caught fire in the second half (just like the team)
He also killed it in the ALDS to the tune of a 1.026 OPS.
My other recollection is that I thought he was super cool because he supposedly commuted to the Coliseum by skateboard and BART.
by Glorious Mundy on Nov 30, 2011 6:10 PM PST up reply actions
At least we didn't just trade a .370 OBP catcher for Tyler Chatwood.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
Basically the Rockies traded 2 years of Ianetta at $8.5M for a B prospect
The Angels traded a B prospect for 1 year of Ianetta at $3.55M. This could be a bad trade for both teams.
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 30, 2011 8:23 PM PST up reply actions
I'm sure the end of the Jeff Mathis reign of terror is enough for Angels fans.
by Billy Frijoles on Nov 30, 2011 8:46 PM PST up reply actions
It might not be the end though. It could just be a one year reprieve
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 30, 2011 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, you didn't read the whole article, I see
Iannetta was signed to be Mathis’s backup.
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I don't think Scioscia knows how to quit Mathis.
If Mathis is actually gone, the pressure has to be coming from on high.
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if only
If only the Angels had some catcher that can hit, kinda like that one Texas has, what was his name, began with a N, Nap something….oh Napoli.
Napoli
That rug really tied the room together...
by Streams Of Whiskey on Dec 1, 2011 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
Good!
Wohoo! The only thing better than getting DeJesus off our roster (and payroll) is to get him onto one of our contenders. DeJesus is the true “no tools” player. He’s equally terrible at everything he does.
Well he's about as equally terrible at everything he does
as the Cubs are one of the contenders the A’s need to worry about.
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You know, I actually agree.
He’s “equally terrible” at everything. As in, not that much, since he’s average-to-above-average at basically every baseball skill without a big weakness.
Oh, but terrible? Not a chance.
Having watched him at multiple games last year
I have to comment he has one of the better OF Arms I’ve observed in a long time. Esp in contrast to Coco’s arm strength.
He was certainly terrible in 2011, but I'm not sure he won't improve to merely below average
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 30, 2011 7:56 PM PST up reply actions
Even that's going too far, I'd say.
A 95 wRC+ isn’t terrible. Not good for a corner outfielder to be sure, but not terrible.
Probably so....he did manage 2.2 WAR which certainly isn't terrible. I recant that part.
I’m still pretty happy to get a draft pick for him though.
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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 30, 2011 8:20 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah I hate guys who are smart baserunners, have strong arms in RF and strong OBPs
Zero tools indeed.
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A bad fit
It’s possible that Oakland and DeJesus were just a bad fit. The assumption that it was merely a bad year, and he’d rebound in Oakland isn’t one we can necessarily make. A part of the game is psychological, and there are players who simply play better for one team, or one city, than another.
I don’t feel good or bad about this. He found a home in a hitters’ park in the National League. Good luck to him.
Good signing for the Cubs
Also, good for us in that we’ll get a decent pick. DeJesus is much better than he showed last year, but we weren’t gonna resign him. At least we get something decent for him.
By the way, in all of the stuff about the new CBA,
is it confirmed that we’ll get a pick in front of Willingham’s new team’s pick? Even if it’s, say, the Twins?
My understanding is that first 15 are still protected
So if Twins sign him, we get the pick in front of the Twins second round pick. It’s been widely mis-reported in mainstream sports media that doesn’t understand the compensation process.
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by PDXAthleticsfan on Nov 30, 2011 8:45 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah - we best hope that Pork wants to return to Washington
Then we can get #16.
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by PDXAthleticsfan on Nov 30, 2011 8:55 PM PST up reply actions
That would be hilarious. They could have just not signed Werth, kept willingham with an extension, and gotten comparable production for pennies on the dollar.
by Billy Frijoles on Dec 1, 2011 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
Werth is a lot better than Willingham, but of course nowhere near good enough to make his contract a good one for the Nats
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 1, 2011 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
Ugh
If the first 15 are protected they should sandwich picks after that spot or after the first round, not before that team’s second round pick.
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I think there's a sandwich pick, too.
That’s assuming it’s same as before except that instead of taking the other team’s pick you get one in front of it.
Reporting on the procedure for this year has been vague. The new system that goes into effect next winter was detailed pretty well on the CBA summary page released by MLB. But the interim system that applies for this winter, as far as I know, has only been reported by Ken Rosenthal quoting an unnamed source “with knowledge of the agreement”. I assume that source is accurate, but since it’s just a few comments and not a press release, the details are a bit fuzzy.
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Oops, just saw the Jim Callis link below.
I wasn’t aware of that one.
Do we have a link to that PDF.
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MLBTR
Meanwhile, clubs won’t have to surrender a draft pick to sign one of the following six players: Heath Bell, Michael Cuddyer, Kelly Johnson, Ryan Madson, Josh Willingham and Francisco Rodriguez. Teams that lose these players after offering arbitration will obtain first round picks in the slot before the signing team plus a supplementary draft pick for a total of two selections.
Who am I to believe???
grover and andeux got to the bottom of it at FK
The best source is at Baseball America
The clearest statement is in a comment by Jim Callis after the article
The PDF attached to the CBA press release expressly states that instead of the former club getting the new team’s pick, they will get a choice immediately ahead of the pick the new team would have given up. So if the Astros sign a modified Type A, his former club will get the first pick in the second round.
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by PDXAthleticsfan on Nov 30, 2011 9:03 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Okay, that clears it up.
I think this might actually be good for the A’s, who have the #11 pick.
Unfortunately, no
I think.
In a reply on BA, Callis clarified the issue as thus:
re top 10 pick teams signing a modified Type A: The PDF attached to the CBA press release expressly states that instead of the former club getting the new team’s pick, they will get a choice immediately ahead of the pick the new team would have given up. So if the Astros sign a modified Type A, his former club will get the first pick in the second round.
So the best Oakland can hope for is to pick 11th; this is of course assuming that the A’s sign Willingham.
The monster at the end of this blog.
At least I credited you :)
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by PDXAthleticsfan on Nov 30, 2011 9:09 PM PST up reply actions
I give you/andeux credit for figuring it out before
anyone else here and most of the people who actually got the press materials from MLB.
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by PDXAthleticsfan on Nov 30, 2011 9:36 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
The way it was written in the article wasnt exactly clear
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by PDXAthleticsfan on Nov 30, 2011 10:00 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Until the new CBA sees the light of day...
BA has done the best it can, but we’re stuck reading their interpretation of what I believe to be partial information.
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Here you go
Don’t spend it all in one place.
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by PDXAthleticsfan on Dec 1, 2011 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
Where Callis refers to top 10
it’s not clear to me that he’s saying only 10 are protected now, or if he’s just repeating the earlier commenter’s “top ten” which are included in the protected 15.
If it’s the latter, the best Oakland could hope for is 16th, same as under the old system.
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No.
I got a great deal of useful information from your comment and link, and I thank you for it.
For the most part, I had nothing useful to add to it. The 15 vs 10 thing was the only loose end for me, so that was the only part I commented on.
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What I think is one of the wittier things I've said in while...
and NO ONE gets it!
The monster at the end of this blog.
Oh, I see now.
Yeah, I missed that part.
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From what I understand, Top 15 shifts to Top 10 starting this year.
The monster at the end of this blog.
I think it's still 15, and
it’s only because the other commenter erroneously said 10 that Callis’s response accidentally makes it look like there’s a change.
But you really can’t tell from that source. Unless there’s another discussion elsewhere, I guess we just have to wait for the CBA text to be released.
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Yeah - I asked that question and felt Callis was repeating top 10 back to me
I didn’t mean to imply in the question that only the top 10 were protected – with the Twins linked to Willingham I was interested if we could get the 3rd pick but was just trying to be non-specific in the question
So the best Oakland can hope for is to pick 11th; this is of course assuming that the A’s sign Willingham.
LOL, I snorted.
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DDJ
DDJ always plays well against the Angels, last year was no exception. A couple two homer games and we were able to win the season series. He also, won a Tampa Bay
game throwing out the last out. He might have had one other two homer game, otherwise he played poorly against Tecas and Seatlle.
There's gonna be an exodus all right
I’d imagine there’ll be crowds at next year’s games at the Coliseum that will rival a small dinner party. Maybe I will go to a game with a big sign that says “I am 99%…. of this crowd.”
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by emperor nobody on Nov 30, 2011 9:28 PM PST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
It's just annoying. After they for years publicly bitch and moan about Oakland and the Coli...trying to constantly move,
Drive lots of fans away, and then in some massive genius PR move say they will not try to put together a winning team until 2015…why? You can have your internal strategy, but why is “Our city sucks. Our team sucks. Our stadium sucks” their PR message (for the last 5 years at least)?
by Billy Frijoles on Dec 1, 2011 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
I feel like the A's would make an interesting case study for a marketing class on 'things you should never, ever, ever, ever do'.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on Dec 1, 2011 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
For example
- Offer free parking
- Offer $2 tickets
- Offer $1 hot dogs
- Give away $6 worth of food with a $12 ticket
- Randomly bring fans onto the field to watch batting practice
SO DUMB.
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You can't compete just based on price - anyways I don't know what that has to do with PR.
The PR campaign is what I was referring to, not stadium discounts. Continuing the campaign with a “we’re not going to compete until at least 2015” announcement is pretty dumb. Even if that’s the case, there should be better ways to interact with a fan base. Idiots like me will still go to games but most normal people I think hear that and naturally lose interest.
by Billy Frijoles on Dec 1, 2011 2:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
"Continuing the campaign with a "we’re not going to compete until at least 2015" announcement is pretty dumb."
First – They didn’t actually say that.
Second – They probably SHOULD do that. This team needs to be rebuilt. Badly.
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DURRRR THEY’RE TOO OLD, BABIP IS TOO HIGH, TOO MANY Ks, DURRRRRR
by mikev on Dec 1, 2011 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
My point is you can rebuild and put a positive spin on it, or you can rebuild and put a negative spin
Susan Slusser already reported that they said something to that effect, there was a big post and discussion on this site about it…
rebuilding actually interests me, you, and hardcore fans because we have thought this thing over a million times and discussed it here a lot. We know the situation. We would like to win now, but understand it’s not that feasible. I can’t imagine it excites people who don’t even know who Michael Taylor is when you say you’re letting your FAs walk and going into a rebuild mode.
In the middle of a losing season you can’t really spin it very much, but hell in the offseason, the mouthpieces of the organization should be more optimistic in their public statements.
I just wish they would do a better job of at least not de-motivating the fan base.
I agree with you second point completely.
by Billy Frijoles on Dec 1, 2011 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
I hate to defend the A's public relations record --
which I really do think is rather bad — but I think you exaggerate when you say the A’s are putting a negative spin on it. The negative spin all comes from Internet echo chambers like Athletics Nation.
It’s cranky negative fans who do all the bitching, not the front office. If you want to blame anyone for driving away new fans, blame the “LEW LIED HE NEVER TRIED” crowd.
Baseball is a stupid-making enterprise in that nobody wants to be singled out or say something dumb. —Michael Lewis
They, the FO, has quite often said that we can't compete until we move.
Which infers that we won’t put a winner on the field until SJ.
"Trying not to rec a "F**k the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."
You can do all the discounts and offers you want, but when your overall message getting sent out by the face of ownership is "Everything here sucks", then you're going to be fighting an uphill battle.
Sending out a conflicting message about whether or not they want fans at the park = a fucking terrible idea.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
I'll just repost what iglew put up above.
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DURRRR THEY’RE TOO OLD, BABIP IS TOO HIGH, TOO MANY Ks, DURRRRRR
In fairness both Kyli and iglew are right
Beane has complained about the stadium situation. Lew through actions has made it clear he prefers to San Jose to Oakland. That CAN be interpreted as negativity.
That said, the A’s really offer a ton of great promotions, have smart funny ads, etc and we do have an echo chamber of dissecting every little comment to the point where it does come out as “they hate Oakland and we have awful everything!”
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And letting you select customized 22 game packs
with ANY games you want, including premium games for the same low prices.
Not to mention the other 3 different ST packages they offer, all of which are cheaper thanany other pro-level option in the Bay Area
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Oh thank god, I was worried he was going to accept our contract offer.
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Maybe they do bring back Matsui
for maybe 3M? At least he’s a warm body to put in LF and will be good PR for the Japan trip.
Won’t they try to convert one of the 99 1B/DH types into a OF at some point?
I’ve been overwhelmed and I’ve been underwhelmed. Can I ever just be whelmed?
If they do I'd like them to do it in time for me to cancel my MLB.tv subscription.
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Daric Barton can play third, right?
"He's listed as day to day, but then again, aren't we all?" — Vin Scully
I vote sign Aoki period
Or any of the infielders posted this offseason. Maybe go after Darvish.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
Well, There Goes The First One
And Willingham and Coco will follow. Can’t say i’m surprised; DeJesus didn’t accept arbitration and had been linked to the Cubs. I don’t think he’s going to have another bad season – he’s been too consistent over the course of his career to suddenly fall of the table, so we’ll just see how it works out.
David DeJesus, he was on the A's last season?
I must have missed him. I certainly didn’t see him rounding the bases and scoring runs.
If thats the case... The A's played last year?
I didn’t seem them rounding the bases and scoring runs!
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DURRRR THEY’RE TOO OLD, BABIP IS TOO HIGH, TOO MANY Ks, DURRRRRR
by mikev on Dec 1, 2011 11:49 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Woo hoo!
Kevin_Goldstein Kevin Goldstein
The Athletics signed once-a-prospect OF Brandon Moss
52 minutes ago
If I change my name to Brandon, can I get a contract, too?
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by PDXAthleticsfan on Dec 1, 2011 12:48 PM PST reply actions
Needs moar Brandonz!
Morrow! League! Inge!
Baseball is a stupid-making enterprise in that nobody wants to be singled out or say something dumb. —Michael Lewis
Why limit yourself to those?
There are so many more to choose from!
Personally, I’d choose the top one in the minor league list just for the name. So what if he’s 35, hasn’t played pro ball in six years, and never made it to the majors.
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by PDXAthleticsfan on Dec 1, 2011 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
I want Agamemnon Tatupu.
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Good AAA numbers, a slightly high K%, but can't put it together in the majors.
Where have I heard that before?
OMG guys, no worries!
Sweeney has a friend now!!
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
who is going to sign josh willingham?
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
What do we know about this Brandon Moss character we just signed?
Is he a legitimate contender for an everyday outfield spot in 2012?
Hats for bats. Keep bats warm.
considering he has no one to contend with...yes.
by Billy Frijoles on Dec 1, 2011 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
I like how it's December 1st and everybody assumes that the roster is finalized.
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I've been on I-5 since 11am. Cut me some slack.
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Um, dude. You get no slack. Did you take us all to Disneyland with you? NO.
So no slack for you.
Who forgets to put AN in the luggage while packing?! Honestly.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
Joke em if...
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I for one, look forward to the Sweeney/Moss/Pridie OF
"He's listed as day to day, but then again, aren't we all?" — Vin Scully
Is he a warm body that is probably capable of dressing himself?
Yes.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
He's almost exactly like everyone else who will contend for a 1B/OF/DH spot.
20-25 HR power in the minors, good walk rate, a little high K rate. Some extras: Left-handed hitter, can play RF, good defensively. The FO is stockpiling all the same type of hitters.
You have to admit
This part …
can play RF, good defensively
… makes him stand out from most of our 1B/OF/DH crew.
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Pretty Sad
Long time A’s fan here and it is just depressing reading the forum and realising there is NOTHING good to talk about concerning our A’s.
So sad
We still have the prettiest colors.
And Stomper is cool.
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And Brandon McCarthy's twitter is pretty awesome.
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"No. It's Oakland."
We have the AN hotties...
as well as Kara. ☺
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DeJesus did jack shit last season
and yet the A’s were the winners of that deal. By a lot.
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It'll be a while before we know if Justin Marks turns into anything,
but as of today, he and Vin Mazzaro need an additional 2.4 WAR to catch up.
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I can't wait for some stathead to tell us what a great deal we got by paying less
than $12 million for DeJesus.
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by WaddellCanseco on Dec 2, 2011 8:40 AM PST up reply actions
SERIOUSLY, STUPID FUCKING STATHEADS
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For the record
It’s comments exactly like this that have made a lot of people stop posting here. This attitude is, honestly, fucking stupid.
An quick evaluation would show DDJ was worth 2.2 WAR last year, and at $4.5M/WAR his season provided $9.9M worth of value. Considering his salary was $6M last season, DDJ by himself still provided $3.9M of ‘surplus’ value in 2011.
Now you have to look at what was given up to acquire him. Mazzarro was worth (-0.2) WAR last year, and Marks has not cracked the big leagues yet. Do you think Marks and Mazzarro between them will be worth more than 2.4 WAR? If the answer is yes, it was still an OK trade to make even though DDJ had a crap season. If the answer is no, it was a bad trade.
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This, mostly
I’d compare the surplus value of the two rather than just going by WAR. Either way, currently, Mazzarro’s performance at present gives us an extra $900K in surplus value, plus whatever miniscule pro-rated salary he got last year. Plus, there’s the surplus value of the sandwich pick we get, estimated at $2.6 million in 2011.
So, yeah, no matter how we slice it, we won this trade.
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by PDXAthleticsfan on Dec 2, 2011 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
You mean a bad trade for Kansas City?
Seems like your yes and no are backwards.
If Marks and Mazzaro come up short of 2.4 WAR then it was a good trade for us, right? If Vin Mazzaro suddenly returns to Mazzaro Time™ and becomes the Royals ace next year posting 5.8 WAR, then it was a bad trade for us.
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Yes, exactly.
That’s what I get for being a stupid stathead and posting before my mom has made me breakfast and given me an energy drink.
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You forgot the somewhat condescending kiss on the cheek
that says, “I love you dear, but I really wish you’d find a nice girl so I don’t have to wash the stains on your sheets anymore.”
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by PDXAthleticsfan on Dec 2, 2011 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
You came out of the basement yesterday, didn't you?
That’ll screw up everything.
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it was bright out. I went back.
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Goddamn sun. We hates it.
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I agree mostly
But a deal like this was to help the A’s contend in 2012. So I think there is some willingness in prospects for established guy deals to trade off some potential future value for more important win-now value. Not sure how one measures that but lots of better math people than me here can.
Then it becomes an issue that DDJ didn’t perform and we lost value in 2015 let’s say of Justin Marks.
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Yeah, I wouldn't call him jack shit but for what he was brought here and expected to do, he was a major disappointment
Still think he’d have shown more of his true ability in 2012.
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This is basically what I was saying
Jack shit may have been a bit harsh, but he didn’t do what was expected of him and yet he still out performed Mazzaro by leaps and bounds.
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Jose Reyes offered 5yr-$80MM by Mets
Can we do better?
According to MLBTR, Reyes really wants 6 years, and the Marlins have offered him 6 years somewhere between $70-90MM. Only real suitors right now are the Mets and Fish.
I know we’ve got Penny at SS, but I think Reyes would gives us a considerably better bat that is unaffected by the Coliseum (i.e. low HR totals) with his proficiency for 2B/3B hits.
If we get the new ball park (.org) Reyes would be 31 heading into that season and a veteran presence with 3 years left on his deal.
With him getting a little banged up the past 2 seasons I think that would help in his signability. Almost the entire A’s team is under control for the next couple years and we’re looking at dealing some fan favorites (Bailey, Gonzo).
I think he’s a signable face-of-a-franchise type player to help the team draw and put a solid hitter in the lineup.
Thoughts?
It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.
Reyes Is An All-Star
And would be a big improvement, but he demands All-Star money. I would be very surprised if the A’s were linked to him. Not gonna happen, but it would be nice.
$16MM a year ain't that bad
when you consider Carl Crawford is making $20MM a year.
A’s aren’t linked to anyone, but we did make a big push for Beltre last year. I think the door is wide open to make a good pitch to Reyes. We don’t have anyone else tying up our budget. We just dropped about $30MM in letting Willingham, DeJesus, Ellis, Matsui, and Coco ride off.
Beane and Co are in an official (maybe) rebuilding mode. Why not bring an All Star on board who will still be playing when we’re ready to compete for the AL West title? He would also take all the media attention and pressure off the rest of our young core – something Beane has focused on with our starting pitchers by taking chances with veteran starters.
I’d want Reyes working with Weeks, Sizemore, and Penny.
I think Reyes makes sense and is surprisingly affordable (if the contract amounts are to be believed) and the A’s should jump in.
It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.
I Doubt It
It’s not a bad idea, but what’s to make Reyes feel like he would want to play in Oakland? I think some of the reasons Beltre gave for not signing (e.g. stadium) will be the same for many premier free agents. In any case, Reyes wants 15-20 million a year for six seasons, and I don’t think the A’s will go for that. Beltre was offered (if I remember correctly) 6 years and 66 million, right?
A's fans were led to believe
it was somewhere in the $60-70 range. Rangers gave him 5 yr-$80MM and his age will be 32-37.
The deals cited today by MLBTR put the contract offer at $15-16MM / year.
Reyes is being offered equal to what Beltre got, despite being only 28 (granted no power/poor defense, but high avg/steals). Age would be 28-34 for a 6-yr deal.
Yes, we have been burned before due to the Coliseum, but no point in not making a pitch for him. We’ve really got nothing to lose and everything to gain.
I think the A’s have plenty of space to take on that type of contract and even go an extra year and pull the price down slightly to say $100MM for 7 yrs.
It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.
ru155 - Reyes can't be our SS
David Forst in an interview said we are LOCKED IN at SS. His word is the gospel.
But otherwise, really? In what universe does a in his prime freea-gent say, “hey I’ll go play in Oakland!”
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money
Never said Reyes was on the A’s FO radar, just think we could come up with the money to offer him the best contract.
Besides, we may have a crappy stadium, but Miami has some putrid new colors
It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.
Miami HR Display
Is the pinaccle of American creativity and committment to turn everything NEON:
It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.
Our owner is rich isn't he?
I think he could afford to pay Reyes $16m a year if he really wanted to.
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