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To the AN community: Along with our regular rotation of "starting pitchers" (front page writers), I'm aiming to create a wider list of "super-subs" who can step in to take some of the week-to-week pressure off of our sterling crew. 

Along with well-known AN veterans like Taj Adib, notsellingjeans, jeffro, and Blez (he made puppy dog eyes; how could I say no?), I have gotten a recommendation to add former espn.com writer Dan Hennessey to the potential "super-sub" mix. 

What follows is an introductory "audition post," and if the community is on board Dan will join the mix of writers our regulars can contact when they know they will need a sub. -Nico

Last December, after the A’s made several of the transactions that made them who they were in 2011, I wrote a post titled "Fun with WAR Projections."  In it, I tried to use individual WAR projections to predict how the A’s would fare as a team.  For each player, I estimated how much they would play and how well they would play in that time.  I even summed up all the plate appearances and innings pitched to make sure I had a full season.

Now, obviously this was an exercise in futility.  The entire first paragraph was a disclaimer.  I think I had additional qualifiers in every other sentence.  As I skimmed that article today, here's a sampling of statements that I thought were smart last December:

"Josh Willingham and Hideki Matsui, the two hitters the A’s acquired last week, will be their best hitters.  I like David DeJesus, but if he struggles adjusting to right field, he’s going to have to hit a lot to be an average rightfielder.  And a re-birth for Kurt Suzuki?  He really can’t be as bad as he was last season, and it’s not hard to be an average catcher."

Star-divide

And inevitably I hit a few and missed a few (I’d also like to formally apologize for hexing Brett Anderson).  Yes, Willingham was the best hitter.  Not sure who his competition was, but he gets that prize.  Hideki Matsui had an inspired two-month resurgence late when nothing mattered.  Apparently, it never occurred to me that DeJesus could fall flat on his face.  And Suzuki?  I’m not sure if I was cautiously optimistic or passively pessimistic, but he was almost every bit as bad as he was in 2010 AND a perfectly average catcher.

There are lots of reasons to like baseball.  I know people who enjoy it because it’s something to do in the summer.  I think they like going to the ballpark, and they float in and out of the game while they’re there, just like they float in and out of the season for six months.  The pace of a game while in the ballpark, the soft humming of the stadium.  I think that’s why my dad loves baseball.  I’m not even sure he actively thinks about the game like that, but it’s a major reason why he loves baseball. 

I have friends who devote themselves to their favorite teams and players.  Question something about their home nine and a sharp-tongued rebuke will be coming back quickly.  "No, I don’t think Josh Tomlin will repeat his 2011 season.  HE’LL BE BETTER." "Hey, I know it’s been four years, but Miguel Tejada can still be a major-league caliber shortstop."  "I have no problem with Brandon Lyon at the back end of our bullpen.  Dude was nasty in 2007."  I’m sure you know the type.  Their guys can do no wrong, and even when they do, there’s a reason, batty as it may seem.  But that’s why they love baseball.

I know still others who love the numbers.  Ah yes, the numbers.  They drive some fans crazy.  But every fan loves some form of the statistics.  Whether the stat of choice is RBI or batting average with runners in scoring position or wOBA, everybody has one.  One of my best friends refuses to go to games and has a favorite team by chance only.  He thinks games are boring in person, he doesn’t like big crowds, and he says he can get everything he needs to know from television or box scores.  He’s among the biggest baseball fans I know, and he rarely attends a game.  But he loves burying himself in the numbers and finding some nugget of information that no one had before.  Usually there’s a good reason no one knew that fact – no one cares, it’s so irrelevant that there’s no reason for anyone to care.  But sometimes he finds something that’s really cool, and that’s why he loves baseball.

Last season, as I dragged a string of friends to the Coliseum, one of them continually asked if I liked Kurt Suzuki.  He'd follow that up by asking if he was a good catcher.  To my friend, those questions were the same.

I never had an answer.  Not a good one, anyway.  Suzuki shows up every day.  No one questions his effort.  He seems to do a good job with the pitching staff, and they love the guy.  He’s fun to watch play, and he’s an easy player for which to root. 

Kurt Suzuki is an out machine.  Expectations for catchers are low, but he’s not very good offensively.  And there’s a part of me, no matter how hard I root for him, no matter how much I want him to succeed, that sees him as a force working against scoring runs.

Myself, I’m all of those fans I listed above.  I love baseball because I like being at the park.  Reminds me of playing a little bit. Reminds me of my dad taking me to games even when two awful teams were playing, but we enjoyed it anyway.  I’m as much of a nut about my teams as anyone else.  No professional team I’ve ever rooted for has won a championship.  My only moment in the sun was the 2002 Ohio State football team, which a) I was too naïve to enjoy and b) had questions surrounding it shortly before that championship game was even played.  I’m not even sure how I’ll react when a team that I care about wins. 

And I love the numbers.  I love what they tell us, what we think they tell us, and how they help weave the narrative of the game.  At the beginning of a season, I can have a good idea what will happen, while having no idea how it will happen.  Lots of people predicted a playoff spot for St. Louis last March.  No one had any idea that the Cardinals would come from 10 games down in September and win the World Series.  I know the Yankees and Rays and Red Sox will be good, but I couldn’t have scripted a better final day of the regular season.  In any given game, the same phenomenon occurs.  I know Roy Halladay should get Yuniesky Betancourt out, but that doesn’t mean he will.  Mike Cameron might hit four home runs tonight, who knows?  Bud Smith could throw a no-hitter.  Yeah, that's a real guy.

Athletics Nation is a closely-knit community, with an insanely strong presence for a team website and an outrageously talented group of writers.  I hope to become a part of that community, and with any luck, I’ll add something to it.  I think there’s a little bit of something for most people in my writing.  Tyler, Nico, and the gang have given me a little space on this very large forum, and hopefully you’ll give me a chance to be part of something special.

And Mac: yeah, I like Kurt Suzuki.

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Great post Dan.

Looking forward to more in the future. Totally agree on Suzuki too. He’s such an easy guy to like, so why can’t he start being good like I want him to be.

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by Hoegaarden on Nov 17, 2011 8:19 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Same. Suzuki was one of my favorite players in 2007.

A good all-around player who was close to my age and seemed to be part of the core of future good A’s teams. Since then…

by DDroney on Nov 17, 2011 8:42 AM PST up reply actions  

You have my vote!

A Kouzmanoff for the rest of us!

by OptimistPrime on Nov 17, 2011 8:40 AM PST reply actions  

the reason our guys don’t do so good doesn’t seem batty at all to me! (in fact, it’s a lack of batty.)

by AV on Nov 17, 2011 8:58 AM PST reply actions  

You're not still in high school with pictures of you on the web in a Yankees hat, are you?

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by mikev on Nov 17, 2011 9:01 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

I hate you and find you stupid

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by mikev on Nov 17, 2011 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Thanks buddy.

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by mikev on Nov 17, 2011 9:37 AM PST up reply actions  

"DING DING DING! YOU'VE BEEN GERSHMANNED!!!

Tune in every morning between 6am-10am to “Smelly Skunk and the Spazz” to see who’s been Gershmanned today!"

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by Nico on Nov 17, 2011 9:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Great Post Dan!

You captured the way I like baseball. I’ll give you a pass that you’re a Buckeyes fan – I spent three miserable years in Columbus while my wife went to OSU. ;)

by dwishinsky on Nov 17, 2011 9:19 AM PST reply actions  

Born and Raised in Ohio

Thanks, David! Your wife must be pretty smart. I went to OSU for undergrad too. Sorry to hear you didn’t enjoy it…hopefully you’re not a Michigan fan :)

by DanHennessey31 on Nov 17, 2011 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I went to Michigan State so def not!

My wife is very smart, OSU Nursing is tough to get into and they don’t pay her like their football players ;)

by dwishinsky on Nov 17, 2011 11:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Do you have a link to the WAR article?

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by PDXAthleticsfan on Nov 17, 2011 9:56 AM PST reply actions  

That would have been good.

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by grover on Nov 17, 2011 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

I will...

Unfortunately I killed the old site when I decided to stop writing there. I will post it somewhere else tonight. I know I still have the text and I have to find the images. I’ll link it here later. Thanks for reading!

by DanHennessey31 on Nov 17, 2011 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Kind of.

http://knuckleballsblog.wordpress.com/2011/11/17/fun-with-war-projections/

Somehow I lost the graphics and I have no idea where they are. Post is worth about 30% of its original value. Sorry about that.

by DanHennessey31 on Nov 17, 2011 7:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Thank you for the link

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by grover on Nov 17, 2011 7:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks.

Well done, even if you didn’t predict the total collapse of our infield defense, arms falling off of (insert pitcher’s name here), and the emergence of Brandon McCarthy’s awesomeness:)

I will drop my skepticism. Welcome to AN.

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by PDXAthleticsfan on Nov 18, 2011 8:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Thumbs up

I’ve read your previous work so I know that you can easily do it.

by vertig0 on Nov 17, 2011 10:22 AM PST reply actions  

Hope
I hope to become a part of that community

Seems to me the way to become a part of the community is to join in the regular threads and converse with us, not just audition on the front page.

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by iglew on Nov 17, 2011 10:22 AM PST reply actions  

This

The introductory article is nice and all, but AN draws its strength, and its best writing, from its community members. Dan just joined. I’m willing to give him a shot since it sounds like he really is an A’s fan (cough Gershman cough), but give me something that makes me think.

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by PDXAthleticsfan on Nov 17, 2011 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah but it sounds a lot cooler when you say

“Former ESPN.com writer” instead of “Guy who makes a lot of innuendo comments in threads and swears too mcuh” when you talk about a FP guy.

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by mikev on Nov 17, 2011 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Who is swearing too much?

I wanna read their posts…

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by grover on Nov 17, 2011 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Fuck if I know.

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by mikev on Nov 17, 2011 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Son. Of. A. Bitch!

I hate not knowing this shit.

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by grover on Nov 17, 2011 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Fuck it dude

Let’s go bowling.

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by mikev on Nov 17, 2011 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

What about the newb?

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by grover on Nov 17, 2011 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

fend for himself?

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by mikev on Nov 17, 2011 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Really? I think the latter is way cooler.

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by iglew on Nov 17, 2011 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

OCCUPY AN

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by mikev on Nov 17, 2011 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

FYI.

In their second attempt to evict Occupy Oakland from the civic center plaza since it was erected Oct. 10, officers from about a dozen agencies gathered at 2 a.m. Their staging area was the Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum, about seven miles away.

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/nov/15/local/la-me-occupy-oakland-20111115

by AV on Nov 17, 2011 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Honestly, I don't give a crap how someone comes to the front page as long as they can back it up.

Not trying to insult the masses, but maybe if there were more people from the community stepping up and writing, there would be no need to bring in outsiders. Or, you can look at it from the perspective that this is a respected writer from an (arguably) respected website who can immediately contribute meaningful and insightful articles.

Getting someone to commit to nine months of front page articles is probably hard. Having a lot of backups (as Dan is, should I read the intro correctly) might make it easier to get that commitment.

I do agree that if he wants to keep his finger on the pulse of AN, he’s going to have to commit to participating in the comments of more than just his own articles. Maybe fly out to a few AN Tailgates too. :)

by LoneStranger on Nov 17, 2011 3:04 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

How about participating in the comments of his own articles to begin with?

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by PDXAthleticsfan on Nov 17, 2011 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

That's why I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt for now

I’d like to see more articles than a basic introduction; I’d like to read the article he mentioned in his post, for example. I’m willing to see more, but I’m still skeptical that, no matter how well respected the writer is, someone can come in cold and contribute something insightful. The exception being Joe Posnanski, who is welcome to come whenever he gets bored with SI.

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by PDXAthleticsfan on Nov 17, 2011 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm Here!

I started with the comments at the top, so you can see my responses to this concern elsewhere, but I wholeheartedly agree with you guys. Thanks, LoneStranger, for allowing for the possibility that I tricked someone into hiring me :)

by DanHennessey31 on Nov 17, 2011 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Glad that you didn't post and run.

I do look forward to reading more and seeing your contributions in threads. Get ready to be challenged.

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by PDXAthleticsfan on Nov 17, 2011 4:03 PM PST up reply actions  

'Cause we're soooo badass...

At one point in my life I liked Dave Kingman more than Rickey Henderson. I was stupid.

by the_rozeboom on Nov 17, 2011 4:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Sure, I'll agree with that.

You’re definitely right that it’s hard to get people to commit to a regular writing schedule.

But he said he hopes to become part of the community. If that’s really true and not just Gershmanesque BS, well, there’s a way to do it.

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by iglew on Nov 17, 2011 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Wonder if they asked
Getting someone to commit to nine months of front page articles is probably hard. Having a lot of backups (as Dan is, should I read the intro correctly) might make it easier to get that commitment.

FWIW I’m not knocking Dan — just making an observation. He could be a swell guy for all I know

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by mikev on Nov 17, 2011 5:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe they asked, maybe they didn't.

But I have a feeling that anyone who has been around long enough to be considered “our” guy (or girl), and who is interesting in writing for the FP already knows the drill that happens every offseason and can throw their name in the hat even if the hat isn’t being held out.

by LoneStranger on Nov 17, 2011 9:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Well said.

I really don’t understand this insular “it’s gotta be one of ours!” point of view. What’s wrong with having different points of view? If Dan is a good writer and can produce content that meets our already established quality standards, what does it matter if he’s from outside or not?

by danmerqury on Nov 17, 2011 6:58 PM PST up reply actions  

This is my thinking, especially for "subs"

I totally get not wanting to leapfrog strangers over established users for “promoted to the front page” work, but it seems to me that the goal should be to have as many good writers, period, available as subs for the times our regulars need to call for backup. I don’t think there’s any downside to that.

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by Nico on Nov 17, 2011 7:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Completely agree

You won’t just see me on the front page, I’ll be in here too diving into the nitty gritty. Unfortunately I have a day job for which I’m often out of the office, so my day-time responses will be few and far between probably.

by DanHennessey31 on Nov 17, 2011 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Wait until you see your first Lounge

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by mikev on Nov 17, 2011 5:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh Mikey, don't scare him yet!

You gotta let the fresh meat get a few days to get comfortable, the horror is funnier that way. >:)

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by Kyli on Nov 17, 2011 9:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Welcome to the gang, Dan!

I look forward to seeing you around.

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by iglew on Nov 17, 2011 9:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Now thos Ponson rumors make sense

Gio maybe traded, Ponson replaces him

The belief is the Marlins said no when the A’s were asking for Logan Morrison, Ricky Nolasco and two top prospects for Gonzalez. The Minor Leaguers the A’s were said to be coveting were outfielders Christian Yelich and Marcell Ozuna, two promising talents who were part of low Class A Greensboro’s championship team.

by J.J. Miller on Nov 17, 2011 10:24 AM PST reply actions  

Next time...

Please drop the link into the comment portion. The headline makes it tough to copy and paste.

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by grover on Nov 17, 2011 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Ponson replaces no one

I could not think of any pitcher worse than this guy

by Trainman on Nov 17, 2011 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

You know, you are kind of right.

I was like, there’s gotta be. I tried out Scott Elarton, Brian Bohanon, yet you know what I still think Ponson ends up worse…

by dwishinsky on Nov 17, 2011 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Ponson does not replace Gio.

Yes, Gio may be traded, but the Ponson rumors still don’t make sense.

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by iglew on Nov 17, 2011 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Still though, how?

We could replace Gio with damn near anybody off the street. Not Ponson.

by danmerqury on Nov 17, 2011 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

No comparison

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by iglew on Nov 17, 2011 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

The AN hotties will be furious!

and, when the Hotties are unhappy, we ALL are unhappy!

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by Tutu-late on Nov 17, 2011 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

He's so dreamy.

And no, I am not referring to Ponson, but thank you for asking.

by whiteshoes40 on Nov 17, 2011 7:46 PM PST up reply actions  

We now have an official baseline for the asking price for Gio.

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by iglew on Nov 17, 2011 11:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Definitely sketchy

but it’s still the first time we’ve seen actual names connected to a Gio proposal.

Anyway, I like the price, so I’m going with it.

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by iglew on Nov 17, 2011 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Beware your bias!

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by grover on Nov 17, 2011 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I wear my bias with pride!

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by iglew on Nov 17, 2011 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

The wording is vague, though.
Rumblings from those connected to the Marlins is Miami had at least one inquiry conversation with the A’s regarding Gonzalez. It took place before this week’s General Managers Meetings in Milwaukee.

The belief is the Marlins said no when the A’s were asking for Logan Morrison, Ricky Nolasco and two top prospects for Gonzalez.

Joe Frisario is the MLB beat writer for the Marlins, so if he had better information, I’m sure it would have been a “report” instead of a “rumbling” or “belief.”

by NateHST on Nov 17, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

If we had LoMo AND McCarthy?

No other team could TOUCH our twitter skillz.

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by Kyli on Nov 17, 2011 9:21 PM PST up reply actions  

twss

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by iglew on Nov 17, 2011 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Nolasco contract is pretty high, 2 yr/19.5mill

Unless A’s think they’d be able to turn him into additional prospects

12/20/10: Re-signed by Florida to a three-year, $26.5 million contract (avoided arbitration) (2011-13).
2011: $6.0 million.
2012: $9.0 million.
2013: $11.5 million.
Performance bonuses: $500,000 annually based on IP.

by J.J. Miller on Nov 17, 2011 10:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Nolasco posted 3.5 fWAR by himself last year, same as Gonzalez.

Plus Ozuna, Yelich, and Morrison? Florida would have been stupid to say yes.

by NateHST on Nov 17, 2011 10:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Nolasco is a really interesting case, though.

His ERA has been a run and a half higher than his FIP three years straight. At what point is that skill, not luck?

by danmerqury on Nov 17, 2011 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

That is strange.

But it still would have been a fleecing. Ozuna and Yelich are their top two prospects. Morrison’s their third best hitter behind Stanton and Ramirez. And even if you assume Nolasco would post good peripherals with average results, he still has a lot of value.

by NateHST on Nov 17, 2011 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh, definitely, not arguing the other way. It's an amazing return for us.

But Nolasco intrigues me. And makes me wonder if Curt Young can figure him out.

by danmerqury on Nov 17, 2011 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Thought I would check, and yes indeed,

Ricky Nolasco has the lowest LOB% of any pitcher in baseball for the past three years. (66%)

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by King Richard on Nov 17, 2011 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

that was my thought too. also the possibility that something about runners on base affects him mentally,

whether he gets nervous, or distracted, or something else would be hard to guess. Perhaps those are things that could be taught? But I wonder if it would be any easier to teach someone to improve those skills than, say, throwing strikes, or throwing a cutter…?

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by King Richard on Nov 17, 2011 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Another piece of information:

He’s been positive in clutch wins the last two years. So if he was worse with guys on base than with the bags empty…he’d be negative.

Huh.

by danmerqury on Nov 17, 2011 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, wow, that's interesting.

 I would have assumed LOB% and Clutch had very strong correlations.

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by King Richard on Nov 17, 2011 4:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Not necessarily

“Poor performance with guys on base” influences WPA/LI, not straight WPA. Note that his WPA/LI was average in 2010 and horrible in 2011.

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by PaulThomas on Nov 17, 2011 6:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Wait,

that doesn’t make sense to me. Poor performance with guys on base, as compared to bases empty, would cause his WPA/LI (context-independent) to be better than his straight WPA (context-dependent), no?

by danmerqury on Nov 17, 2011 6:59 PM PST up reply actions  

No

WPA/LI removes the leverage index, meaning that the game context is gone and only the within-inning context remains. Low LOB% will cause your within-inning context to be crappy.

Example: Philly leads Florida 10-0. Ricky Nolasco allows the bases to become loaded on three ground balls, then Philly hits a grand slam to go up 14-0, then they strike out three straight times to end the inning.

Impact on his WPA of this sequence is essentially zero, because who gives a crap what happens, win-probability-wise, when you’re down 10-0?

Impact on his WPA/LI is extremely bad, because the game context gets filtered out and the metric just sees that he gave up four runs in an inning where he only allowed four baserunners, which (in a game with an average LI) would abnormally cripple a team’s chances of winning.

Impact on his xFIP (offered for illustrative purposes as a fully context-independent stat) is actually highly positive, because that metric just sees three grounders, three whiffs, and a fly ball, which is normally a recipe for two scoreless innings, not one inning and 4 runs.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 17, 2011 7:13 PM PST up reply actions  

All have their merits...

PaulThomas is exactly right, and I like looking at WPA/LI for low leverage situations to see if a pitcher still gives a crap when the game is out of hand. Token reminder, beware small sample sizes.

by DanHennessey31 on Nov 17, 2011 7:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I know you don't mean this question literally, since it doesn't really have an answer as phrased

but at this point in his career, the ERA-FIP gap is probably about half luck. Gives him a projected ERA of about 4.3 or so (weighting more recent results slightly more), which is basically league average-ish.

Seems to me that the Marlins could just keep him, and the deal would look better for both teams.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Nov 17, 2011 6:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Huh, wow.

Didn’t know they’ve run split-half correlation tests on the ERA-FIP gap. Nice.

by danmerqury on Nov 17, 2011 6:56 PM PST up reply actions  

My opinion too.

Which reminds me of this post I saw last week:

http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/11/7/2545407/general-manager-michael-hill

At least now we’d know who to blame if they actually pulled the trigger on that (reported) deal!

by DanHennessey31 on Nov 17, 2011 4:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Whether or not this report is true, it brings up couple points of resonance in my mind:

1) I do hope that Billy is asking for the moon as such to begin negotiations in which he has no need to trade the asset and the other team has so many motivating factors that are not directly related to the value/value weight of the trade.

but

2) If Billy can actually get a Fucking-A trade to go through like the one proposed above, I wish that the perfect frontliner were someone other than Logan Morrison. Of course, Morrison is The player to trade for in the Marlins organization, as he has tremendous upside, is coming off a mildly successful rookie year, and has fallen out of favor with the organization. So then to make a trade in which the A’s receive someone of equal potential value, it might mean a different trade partner, and unfortunately the Marlins do seem to be the ones with the most reason to give up the most value for Gio Gonzalez (new stadium, win soon, hometown pitcher, demonstrating to their new fans a willingness to go all-in, etc.), so this is perhaps unlikely.

But nonetheless, I worry about Morrison living up to his billing (as do the Marlins of course, although his run-ins with their front-office may be a lot less about true potential than off-field issues*, which is preferable for the A’s as a trade partner), insofar as his OF defense is suspect, and he loses a lot of value at 1B, putting serious pressure on him to be an elite hitter.

That said, he had a 115 wRC+ last year whilst putting up a .265 BABIP. As far as one can describe “peripherals” for a hitter, he might be expected to regress upwards, as Bill James (the ever-sunny-projection-computer, not the man) predicts a .361 wOBA in 2012 compared to .344 in 2011.

This post is a good reason it’s helpful to talk things through with yourself! After going through the numbers, I’m feeling a little better about Morrison already. I just worry about the fact that he now had 812 PAs in the majors and only put up 2.2 WAR, largely because of his terrible UZR score.

Anyhow, I’d be interested to see the discussion on Morrison continue. As far as best possible value for Gio, what does everyone think?

*I don’t personally believe that Morrison was actually sent to AAA because his batting average was .247, there must have been other issues. Right?

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by King Richard on Nov 17, 2011 11:33 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Ok that would be a Fuckin A trade.

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by mikev on Nov 17, 2011 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Gio does make a good fit with the Marlins.

Both because he’s a local guy and because they’re a team in win-now mode who also can really appreciate his low salary over the long term (especially if they’re breaking the bank elsewhere on free agents).

I could maybe see some variation on this proposal happening. Maybe they take out Nolasco and put in a younger pitching prospect instead. Or maybe we add something.

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by iglew on Nov 17, 2011 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

That would be a really nice trade

Yelich isn’t even 20, but he owns single A.

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by duballers23 on Nov 17, 2011 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Didn't Daric Barton do that, too?

Alos, Yelich is a SoCal guy. Billy loves the SoCal guys.

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by iglew on Nov 17, 2011 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

But can he dive in the shallow end?

At one point in my life I liked Dave Kingman more than Rickey Henderson. I was stupid.

by the_rozeboom on Nov 17, 2011 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Aha - so he'll have Barton's power AND Sweeney's power!

Aw, crap.

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by Nico on Nov 17, 2011 6:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes. and then had a 5 WAR season at age 24

Man, it would SUCK to get a guy like that.

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by mikev on Nov 17, 2011 5:26 PM PST up reply actions  

The real Daric Barton

5-WAR season surrounded by 3 seasons where he combined for 0.9 fWAR. Obviously not as good as he was in 2010 nor as bad as he was in 2011, but probably closer to the latter.

by DanHennessey31 on Nov 17, 2011 7:34 PM PST up reply actions  

At the risk of sounding like an apologist

He should not have been in the bigs in 2008, got screwed with in 2009 because Billy somehow decided Jason Giambi was a good idea, and was hurt last year.

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by mikev on Nov 17, 2011 8:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Enabler!

I seem to turn against people so quickly anymore…

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Nov 17, 2011 8:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Haha
got screwed with in 2009 because Billy somehow decided Jason Giambi was a good idea

#nailedit

Fair points too. At the risk of sounding like a pessimist, I’m not counting on 26-year old first baseman who struggles to hit 10 homers anyway to come back from shoulder surgery and start banging the ball around the yard.

Plus he’s got big-time competition from Allen and the Kila Monster.

by DanHennessey31 on Nov 17, 2011 8:35 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I know, right?

I meant that as a good thing.

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by iglew on Nov 17, 2011 9:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Ozuna would be nice too, since he's probably going to be a masher

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by duballers23 on Nov 17, 2011 2:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks!

Thank you to everyone who said nice (and not nice) things in the comments. I really appreciate it, and any additional comments or (hopefully constructive) criticism you have I’ll take too.

by DanHennessey31 on Nov 17, 2011 4:01 PM PST reply actions  

Who wasn't nice?

At one point in my life I liked Dave Kingman more than Rickey Henderson. I was stupid.

by the_rozeboom on Nov 17, 2011 4:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Hi....I'm auditioning to not be a front page writer.

My qualifications are that I think I watched maybe 6 A’s games last year and after almost 3 years on AN I still have no idea what FIP is.

Bloom, Chickie and sirbed can vouch for my total lack of baseball knowledge. Thank you for your support.

But seriously, folks....

by Bed. on Nov 17, 2011 5:30 PM PST reply actions  

Thank you, but we've already offered to position to sirbed.

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by Nico on Nov 17, 2011 6:15 PM PST up reply actions  

but there is a petition campaign to have the next spot go to MrBrian

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by Future Ed on Nov 17, 2011 7:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I will not succumb to the pressure of a petition.

Bribes only.

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by Nico on Nov 17, 2011 7:13 PM PST up reply actions  

That sirbed jerk keeps stealing my action.

Well…he is much better looking.

But seriously, folks....

by Bed. on Nov 17, 2011 11:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Hell, I'd vote for a yellow donkey for front-page writer

so long as he is an AN party regular.

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by iglew on Nov 17, 2011 9:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I do have pretty killer puppy dog eyes

But this is a great first post. Awesome stuff Dan. I am one of those fans that can be irrational about his team. Hell look at some of my much older posts and a lot of them are rich with homerism. I tried to be objective, but it’s hard when you root so hard for a team. I do the same thing with any team I root for.

Thank you for this post. It’s excellent.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Nov 17, 2011 8:45 PM PST reply actions  

Hey nice debut/audition post Dan

Luckily you’re not a goat so you avoided Nico’s “casting couch”.

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by emperor nobody on Nov 18, 2011 12:03 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

He's lucky he's not Nico,

so he avoided the full-thread beating.

by LoneStranger on Nov 18, 2011 6:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Beatings cost extra.

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by Nico on Nov 18, 2011 7:57 AM PST up reply actions  

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