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"I Dream Of Vinnie" & Other Bizarre Tidbits

Can you please explain to me the dream I had last night? I know I should be able to be able to do dream analysis, what with my being a counselor and all, but I never quite understood Freudian theory. Freud said every young boy, growing up, had a secret desire to sleep with his mother. To me, that's just ridiculous: I never even met Freud's mother.

Anyway, back to the dream I had last night. I am not making any of this up. I really did have this exact dream. And you tell me why Vince Cotroneo was in it. Please jump (after last night, I'm seriously considering it)...

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In the dream I'm at spring training, where I believe I am preparing for a broadcast (so that's only 20 years off). Vince Cotroneo tells me, "Before the game, we have to go up to such-and-such place," which is rather far away but he says that their Hallowe'en/trick-or-treat set up is so amazing I have to see it.

How Hallowe'en and spring training are occurring at the same time is one of those things you fail to question only in a dream. I do what any sensible dream-impaired person would do: I hop in the car and let Vince head us up Highway Whatever-it-is towards this incredible place I clearly have to choose over writing down the starting lineups.

So we get there and it doesn't look like much from the outside -- your basic building at the end of a parking lot. We go in and find ourselves in what looks to be an ordinary study leading to an ordinary bedroom. A couple people, maybe a mom and son, are standing outside this mundane room holding a bag of candy and when I approach they seem irritated that an adult, one without a costume no less, is there to get candy. I'm a bit embarrassed and confused myself.

Not knowing what I'm supposed to do or say, I reach for a Kit Kat from the bag, see the disapproving faces of the mom and son and say, "I'm going to give it to a child." I then weaken my story by breaking off a piece of the Kit Kat and eating it.

And that's the dream. Seriously, what was that? Please explain.

In other news, how sad is it to have to select "A football coach raping young boys while a legendary head coach looks the other way" or "A major league catcher is kidnapped" as only the second most troubling story in the sports section that day? Could we please spread out our monstrosities a bit more, kthxbai? (Ironically, "Could you please spread out your monstrosities?" is practically an exact quote from Jerry Sandusky. OK, I should stop before I say something inappropriate.)

So yes, Vinnie, you schlepping me to the outskirts of the outskirts of Phoenix, to help me make an ass of myself in front of an ordinary family having a dull Hallowe'en, presumably in March, was only the third most troubling news of the day yesterday. Unfortunately, that had to be the only one that didn't really happen.

In other news, the A's have made some minor league coaching changes, with Ariel Prieto back in single-A ball!

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I read the title,

and thought your were dreaming of Vinnie Mazzaro.

"Trying not to rec a "F**k the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."

by Tutu-late on Nov 12, 2011 8:41 AM PST reply actions  

2.1 IP and 10 ER later I wake up?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 12, 2011 8:43 AM PST up reply actions  

...and in a cold sweat?

"Trying not to rec a "F**k the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."

by Tutu-late on Nov 12, 2011 8:44 AM PST up reply actions  

He can wake up in a cold sweat; he gave up all the runs.

I wake up in a bold sweater.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 12, 2011 8:46 AM PST up reply actions  

In the dream was he still in an OaklANd uni?

That would give me the cold sweats.

"Trying not to rec a "F**k the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."

by Tutu-late on Nov 12, 2011 8:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes, but he also had hooves, and a pastrami sandwich for his nose,

so it’s hard to take it too literally.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 12, 2011 9:06 AM PST up reply actions  

So, more like cold cuts, instead of cold sweats?

"Trying not to rec a "F**k the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."

by Tutu-late on Nov 12, 2011 9:12 AM PST reply actions  

Damn. Reply fail.

"Trying not to rec a "F**k the Giants" post is like trying not to look at boobs."

by Tutu-late on Nov 12, 2011 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Sometimes a Kit Kat is just a Kit Kat,

But in this case I’m sure it means that you’re a homicidal maniac. Cheers.

by DDroney on Nov 12, 2011 9:25 AM PST reply actions  

I wonder if it was like a "Candy Rorschach"

If I reach for the Snickers, I’m a good guy, a Milky Way I’m a harmless pervert, a Kit Kat I’m a homicidal maniac.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 12, 2011 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Classic Emo Philips Joke

(The school psycologist) gives me a chocolate Easter bunny. And this shows how tricky those guys are. I eat the chocolate and I think, wait a second… this isn’t around Easter.

“Was this a test?”

He said, “Yes.”

“And what does it mean?”

He said, “Well, had you eaten the ears first you would have been normal; had you eaten the feet first you would have had an inferiority complex; had you eaten the tail first you would have had latent homosexual tendencies; and had you eaten the breasts first you would have had a latent oedipal complex.”

I said, “Well, go on. What does it mean when you bite out the eyes and scream, ‘Stop staring at me!’?’”

He says, “It shows you’ve a tendency towards self-destruction.”

I said, “What do you recommend?”

He says, “Go for it!”

by ILuvBiscuit on Nov 12, 2011 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

The Easter Bunny has breasts??

Being wrong about something you’ve worked on is a blessing, not a curse, and people are so invested in being right that that gets lost. —Graham MacAree

by iglew on Nov 14, 2011 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

means...

You’re gonna take a break, deservingly so or not…. Dream of a slacker

The Not-So-Casual Fan

by rktse on Nov 12, 2011 9:46 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

This just confirms how strange you are

And I Tweeted the link to Vince. I hope he reads it.

Last of the Ninth - Photography

by Flashfire on Nov 12, 2011 9:50 AM PST reply actions  

Here's a strange dream I had back in '05

When I got back home after this game:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/OAK/OAK200507140.shtml
my wife told me that my dog Emma had gotten out of our yard in Oakland and was missing. So I spent the next hour driving around looking for her. I finally gave up and went to bed around midnight.
That night I had a dream where I’m looking for Eric Byrnes cause he’d somehow gotten away – the dream got even weirder, with Byrnsie making an appearance in a Revolutionary War outfit at some point!

and here’s a thread about A’s related dreams from “back in the day”, some of which are pretty funny (I think my favorite one is of Jim Mecir as a stalker:
http://www.athleticsnation.com/2005/7/15/141728/503#185362

by Brian in 317 on Nov 12, 2011 12:53 PM PST reply actions  

Just a guess

It means your dream is to become a broadcaster but you’re afraid of making a fool of yourself.

by vk on Nov 12, 2011 1:03 PM PST reply actions  

Way too late for that!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 12, 2011 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

if we’re doing dreams… here’s one i wrote down a while back. (please excuse the length.)

i had to admit to a somewhat embarrassing dream to my wife this morning because i had woken her up in the middle of the night with a very loud, like screaming it and holding my hand out in the air for emphasis loud, “uhm-pah!!!” and this morning she wanted to know what i was dreaming about, what had agitated me so. even as i lay there trying to calm myself down and go back to sleep after the dream, i already knew she was going to ask what’d happened. “umpa” could be a willy wonka thing, i thought. maybe i’ll tell her the umpalumpas were after me…

but no. i had to tell the truth. i braced her first, saying that it was going to turn my cheeks red and want to hide, but that i thought she should know…

the A’s were playing the yankees and it was the last game of a championship. if the A’s won, they were in the world series. if the yankees won, it was going to be yet another time that the A’s didn’t nail the lid on the coffin and let the yankees go on probably to win it all (think 2001 ALCS). it was the bottom of the 9th at yankee stadium, the A’s were up by 1, but the momentum was definitely with the yankees and their fans. but that wasn’t all. i was playing in the outfield.

with two outs and two strikes, some yankee hits a fly for an easy catch near the wall. half the fans thinking that it would be a home run and the other half not wanting to let the last out fall in the mitt of the guy playing center field, they go crazy and start encroaching over the barriers (think yankees-orioles with the kid catching the ball in 1996). mark ellis, who i guess was playing center, sets up to catch that last out and start celebrating for the A’s. but the fans start coming out of the stands onto the field and madness is on, full scale. there are people everywhere standing in the way of the players, and because ellis can’t drift with the ball to catch it, it drops. and that only makes the fans go crazier (think bronx zoo 1976, royals-yankees).

so while ellis is trying to find the ball among the feet of these insane fans, they are playing keep away as the play continues. the runner goes to second. suddenly i’m close to the action and i get the ball. i throw it in to the infield to hold the runner. but a fan intercepts it and throws it back at me. by this time i am closer and i just run with the ball straight to home plate. since the runner has to run twice around third and i can bisect the diamond, have a chance. he gets to third, looks around, and then heads for the plate hoping that in the madness nobody’ll see him. but i am at the plate ready for him.

according to some dreamtime rule of baseball, i touch the ball to the middle of the plate, which helps me block it, then i put my feet up the line and as the yankee player slides, he gets spiked by my cleats on the top of his head and loses all momentum. he is just laying there, outstretched, a good foot or more away from the plate, surrounded by the feet of all the fans. i quickly tag him out with a good hard rap of the ball on his face. it’s the right thing to do; they are trying to cheat and i am stopping it. all i need is an official to see the play and call him out. so i’m waving my hand in the air, trying to get an official’s attention through the roar of the crowd, and yelling, “UMPIRE!”

by AV on Nov 12, 2011 2:30 PM PST reply actions  

my theory of dreams is that our minds move toward narrative and, as surrealism proved, a narrative can be woven out of any two pieces of disparate information. so the mind takes a bunch of pieces that sometimes do and sometimes don’t fit somewhere else, that are mostly active in our minds or that are inactive but can be triggered through association, and weaves them together into a story, even if that story doesn’t always go anywhere.

you said it yourself, the two unavoidable pieces of sports info flying right now are venezuela and penn state. venezuela is in south america, where october is spring. (and yes, i know venezuela is north of the equator, but nico’s subconscious doesn’t! J/K, this isn’t that much of a relevant point. i just wanted to say that spring during october isn’t impossible).

no this wasn’t directly in your dream other than there is a kid/parent/outsider relationship, some feelings of guilt, and that you mentioned it in your post, but, penn state: the navigation of the private/public perception woven in with leadership roles in sports…. i hope you don’t take this as kit for kat, but nico, have you had an easy time lately re: your role as a leader, baseball, others’ opinions lately? i’m guessing, because you’re an insightful dude, that you’ve been wondering a little about how others’ opinions are shaped and what the mechanisms might be if you do/say one thing versus do/say another. your thoughts about this might be showing up here where you say the right thing to the mother but you also subvert your own intentions, almost by accident it seems like, and suddenly you’re flirting with guilty feelings. there’s even the bit in your dream about your duty to present info in the lineup card… no, these are not perfect parallels. but that’s dreams are not sabermetrical, and close-enough associations work. or maybe they don’t. it’s up to you, in your feelings that your dream elements bring up, who can say what’s close-enough or not.

whoops. i’m sorry but our time’s up for today. see my receptionist on the way out. i think we need to schedule for 3 times a week from now on.

by AV on Nov 12, 2011 3:15 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Can we do all three sessions on Tuesdays?

I’m pretty busy the other days. Maybe 5pm, 8pm, and 9:30pm?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 12, 2011 6:52 PM PST up reply actions  

let’s just do the 5pm and i’ll charge you for three. i mean, if it’s worth the treble.

by AV on Nov 12, 2011 7:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Let's touch bass.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 13, 2011 12:33 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm working on a good one analysis, almost done.

"When you find your way. Then you see it disappear."

by padmadfan on Nov 13, 2011 12:34 AM PST up reply actions  

ok! as long as it’s scaled.

by AV on Nov 13, 2011 9:21 AM PST up reply actions  

...

Mickey Mantle, after he retired, used to dream of driving around and around in his car, unable to find the ballpark. Another common baseball dream is the AAA player’s nightmare… he gets called up, but can’t find his glove or his bat and certainly can’t go on without it, yet can’t find it, either.

"OK, Recker is starting, that’ll mean a rain delay, 12 grand slams, a hurricane, a US Airways flight landing in the outfield and the toilet backing up."- WhizDad

by Gaijin_Suketto on Nov 12, 2011 9:08 PM PST reply actions  

Let me try, I'm usually pretty good at this.

Citizen Nico

It’s seems evident that the underlying principle/conflict of the dream is the duty you feel toward the A’s organization (which may or may not contain your hope or ambition of one day being in the booth) and your desire to feel kinship towards or be accepted by the Mother and Child on their Halloween jaunt.

The Mother and Halloween garbed child represent your feelings towards AN and the members of the board. The Mother represents the judgment you were subjected to and guilt you felt when you revealed some bit of inside information you received as a journalist. The Child represents two things. First, the maturity level of the reaction you received, and the alienation you felt not being able to participate in the fun of dressing up for the holiday. Actually, it could be that or that costumes indicate deception. Not that you committed a deception, necessarily, but that you were accused of creating one.

The disapproval of the Mother and Son when you reached for the Kit Kat represent the pain of rejection. The phrase “I’m going to give it to a child” probably represents your desire to give a small precious goodie, a nugget of information, to AN. The fact that you ate it might mean you were eating your words, conflicted by your desire to help and your need to withhold your sources which made you appear guilty and subjected you to the scorn of the Mother and Child.

"When you find your way. Then you see it disappear."

by padmadfan on Nov 13, 2011 12:49 AM PST reply actions  

So I have four penises?

Rad.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 13, 2011 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Must be a slow A’s news day lol

by teengirlerin on Nov 13, 2011 10:04 AM PST reply actions  

Slow A's news decade.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Nov 13, 2011 10:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Weirdest dream

When I was a teenager, long before most everyone here was born, I was a big Yankee fan, living in New York. My favorite pitcher was Mel Stottlemyer. I had a dream that he was pitching a no-hitter and for some reason, the manager pulled him after seven innings. I spent the rest of the dream pissed off: why didn’t the manager let him finish the game?

In real life, two weeks later, Mel Stottlemyer pitched a no-hitter for seven innings. He wasn’t removed. He gave up runs in the eightth and lost the game.

by richwol1 on Nov 13, 2011 12:38 PM PST reply actions  

I just remembered my baseball-related dream from a few months back.

My girlfriend became the first female pitcher for the A’s and pitched a perfect game. Everyone was freaking out about it but I wasn’t surprised because she’s rad. I told my girlfriend about it and she was pretty stoked.

by DDroney on Nov 13, 2011 12:52 PM PST reply actions  

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