Can A's Go from Dubious Hitter to Designated Hitter?
by dwishinsky on Oct 30, 2011 9:19 AM PDT
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PrintSusan Slusser had a great piece of news to report to A's fans on Saturday and did so in the San Francisco Chronicle. Her article discussed that things may have changed on the re-signing Hideki Matsui front as Slusser wrote,
"the A's emphasis has turned to going younger and improving scouting and drafting, which might preclude re-signing Matsui, who is 37 and who had erratic production this past season. Interest in Matsui among team officials has waned as the A's continue to wait on a decision from MLB about their stadium situation, a drawn-out process that has created great frustration among Oakland's owners and front-office staff."
Although she walks that statement back a little highlighting Matsui and Bob Melvin's close relationship and such later in the article, this to me is a good sign. Matsui is not needed and though Slusser indicates the DH situation is hazy for the A's in 2012 - and it most certainly is - it is not hazy for a lack of options, such much so as hazy for a lack of good options - adding another bad option to the mix was not the solution. Matsui has had a great career, seems like a good humble guy, etc, but he is a luxury we do not need nor can afford in Oakland - and frankly at this point in his career luxury may be the wrong term altogether.
What the A's do have is a mess on their hands with that DH spot. Who would think in this day in age that DH would be a problem but it is for us. It looks like the contenders for DH will be Brandon Allen, Chris Carter and Kila Ka'aihue. I want to limit it to those three, because Daric Barton if he resurrects his career is in the field for sure and if the A's were so hesitant with making a young Carter a DH there is no way they do that with Michael Taylor and God forbid should Jai Miller somehow be a member of this team, he is a decent enough fielder that you would want him offsetting his 300 K's with some other facet of his "game".
There are free agent names on the market, but I think we can (and should) discount any ideas of getting them though some would be relatively affordable (Johnny Damon, Jorge Posada or Jim Thome). There is one free-agent that I think it'd be worth taking a flyer on (or is it flier? - spell check you've let me down): Wily Mo Pena. Unofficial stats but, with Pena he hits a home run for roughly 98% of his hits, granted hits comprise like 1.3% of his plate appearances, but I think on a minor-league deal, why not?
What does everyone else think about our DH position, which for Oakland seems a bit more like dubious hitter than designated hitter?
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Give it to Carter
Let him get a whole season to play so we can find out if he’s the answer in the long run.
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Process of elimination:
Definitely not Allen because he can play decent defense (and we happen to, currently, have 0 OFers). Not Matsui because, well, gee, he’s not very good anymore. Not Wily Mo Peña, because you know what you’ll get from him and it’s actually not very good. So…Give a legitimate shot to Carter, and if he fails, Ka’aihue.
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Sorry, 1/2 an OFer.
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I like how Melvin alternated Matsui and Willingham at DH
it kept both relatively healthy. I personally prefer using various players at DH, and trying to avoid having a player who can never play in the field.
The Rangers did that nicely with Young, Napoli, and a couple others
Of course it helped that their options were Young and Napoli, rather than Sucky and Suckier.
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to be fair, Carter can probably play a passable 1B
"I'll guarantee this: The A's will have a better season in 2012." - George Zimmer
by cuppingmaster on Oct 30, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
To be fair, no he can't.
He’s a passable 1Bman like I’m a passable tranny.
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and?
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but are you a passable tranny first baseman
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by dwishinsky on Oct 30, 2011 6:09 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I'm definitely NOT a catcher.
So don’t get any ideas.
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Matsui played like 27 games in the field last year
I think Carter could play that many at 1B if he was hitting. If not, well, who cares.
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by cuppingmaster on Oct 30, 2011 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions
So does this mean Willingham will not be re-signed?
That would suck, but I wouldn’t mind seeing an Allen (that catch as a D-Back was nice), Choice, Taylor outfield if Barton gets his spot back at first. That’s a lot of power potential, but hopefully Barton can get back to being a good table setter for in front of those guys. I’d love to see a lineup like this (2B Weeks, 1B Barton, CF Choice, DH Carter, RF Taylor, LF Allen, SS Pennington, 3B Sizemore, C Suzuki) at some point during next season, and hopefully for a good chunk of the season. Let the young guys play.
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Choice is already further in development though
Compare the two guys AFL performances and the fact that Green is still learning how to play the outfield.
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Mainly because of the September call-ups the A's made
But, he did all right in a short period of time there and it’s possible he’ll either start the season in Sacramento next year or be there before long.
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I'm sure Green will start in Sac, I just think it is crazy to think Choice would
make a cameo next year maybe ASB 2013 or later.
Sign Willingham
OF/DH this year and DH going forward
That would involve spending money
which these cheap bastards seem inclined not to.
Yes, I agree he should be signed
Eh,
I think they see the picks they would get as compensation as being more valuable in the long run. And they’re probably right.
That rug really tied the room together...
by Streams Of Whiskey on Oct 30, 2011 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey, anyone looking for a blind date?
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turtle man?
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by cuppingmaster on Oct 30, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Please, please say no to Matsui.
A 93 wRC+ from your designated hitter? Not exactly resign-worthy. I’d agree with Nico here: Carter, then next in line is Ka’aihue.
If the A's were to pass on Willingham, because after all we're not going to compete in the next year,
and then sign Matsui, because after all…WHAT? I would be a very, very upset A’s fan.
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Not that I don't agree,
but to be fair, Willingham would require a far greater financial commitment than Matsui.
Which is why we should sign Bob Horner for the league minimum!
Great hitter once, totally available and affordable.
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So, uh, does anyone have ESPN Insider?
The rotoworld blurb says this: “ESPN’s Jason Churchill speculates that Oakland could shop Gio Gonzalez in exchange for some offense this winter.”
Speculates. As in…he’s just guessing?
Yes throwing darts, mentions the Rockies and Marlins as potential landing spots
Not that I’m opposed to dealing Gio at all, but there is nothing there atm.
I think it's the "MSU" approach
Make Stuff Up! Not that a Gio-Morrison based deal couldn’t happen, but I doubt there has been any actual conversation that would lead a responsible journalist to cite it.
The problem with dealing Gio is that you will wind up in a lose-lose: Mediocre pitching backed by hitting that is better, but not good. To deal a good starting pitcher, I’d want to get back solutions at 2 positions (which means both offensively and defensively), and they’d have to be long-term solutions since the short-term will be even more worser if you deal Gio or Cahill.
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And Gio has been healthy all along
unlike the others
when I think about trading Gio or Cahill I just can't get the math to work
If you’re thinking about the long-term future of the club, then these players could just as easily be part of that future as anyone that you trade for. I mean Gio is under control for four more years, right? So by trading him the team would be planning on rebuilding for 2016? Trading them is a zero-sum game unless some other team gives up way too much.
Morrison and Hanley. I'm down.
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What about Mike Stanton?
I say include him also.
by Steven Chuob on Oct 31, 2011 7:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Seriously.
RotoWorld + ESPN + “speculates” = meaningless.
Being wrong about something you’ve worked on is a blessing, not a curse, and people are so invested in being right that that gets lost. —Graham MacAree
Also, read the words:
“… speculates that Oakland could shop Gio Gonzalez.”
Hey, he’s absolutely right. Oakland could shop Gio Gonzalez. But will they? Hell if I know. Probably not.
Being wrong about something you’ve worked on is a blessing, not a curse, and people are so invested in being right that that gets lost. —Graham MacAree
They could also re-sign Willingham, move the team to Portland, or open an ice cream shop in the dugout.
The possibilities are endless!
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
I'm especially down with the last one.
If the boys win, they get ice cream! (2005 style, I believe in positive reinforcement)
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
BREAKING:
Oakland COULD sign Albert Pujols.
"He's listed as day to day, but then again, aren't we all?" — Vin Scully
But only if they know sign language.
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Mr. Churchill is most likely just guessing
But it’s absolutely a valid idea.
The monster at the end of this blog.
I'm with you
I think we should listen to offers on anyone. No one should be untouchable. That said, Gio would fall into the “you need to bowl me over with your offer” category
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by dwishinsky on Oct 30, 2011 6:13 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Carter?
I guess to save money under this cheapie ownership, but this guy still can’t hit MLB pitchers consistently. Matsui can, and he’d be my guy for next year. Hopefully, he can put two good halves together.
It's time for Carter to produce or find another team, I'm thinking
If the team is not going to contend next year – and I don’t expect they will – I’d much rather let Carter sink or swim at this level rather than shuffling him between Oakland and Sacramento instead of another year of Matsui.
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what do you think of having Carter play LF/DH/1B
Even with a Matsui signing he could still get plenty of at-bats with the state of the team right now.
No thank you
I gave Carter a lot of time to prove he could play the field, but instead he’s proven he can’t.
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it's not even like he is just bad
It’s like throwing Nico-the-tranny out there bad
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by dwishinsky on Oct 30, 2011 6:14 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Yeah, heh
And one other thought on that. If Carter was to play LF/DH/1B he’d need to be passable enough at both positions in the field as to not be a liability. The problem is by having a position platoon for him like that, two spots in the field instead of just one, he’d be getting even less time at either of them than he should if he wasn’t going to be a full-time DH.
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Matsui couldn't hit MLB pitchers last year.
A below-average hitter from what should be the best hitter in the lineup doesn’t exactly scream hitting prowess.
I wouldn't mind a platoon of sorts
btwn Allen & Carter at 1st / LF / DH. Gotta give both a year (or a large chunk thereof) to see if they can hit consistently. Wonder if Barton gets another look – I wouldn’t mind that.
No thanks on old Matsui; young(er) Matsui circa his Yankees days, I’d take him, yes indeedy.
by my_cat_max on Oct 30, 2011 1:15 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
He should. If Allen can play a decent corner OF, Barton (if healthy) should e given a chance
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Maybe Barton will hit with some power assuming his shoulder is fully repaired
Allen needs to play and learn to hit better if he’s going to stick. I hope he does and time will tell but there were major holes exposed by the pitchers
And we don't need Matsui back
as others have already stated
Yeah, best case scenario
is that Barton reverts back to his 2010 numbers, and the OF + DH is some combination of Taylor, Carter, Ka’aihue, and Sweeney, plus any free agents we sign.
or that he reverts to his 2010 number and plays 3rd base
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Did Barton have the same injury as Cliffy?
That would zap some power I would think
labrum tear in his non throwing shoulder I think
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This x a million.
It would be so awesome.
What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.
I'm thinking Allen has to be ticketed for the OF in 2012
The A’s currently have 73 1Bmen and 0 OFers in the mix.
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you were banned?
(sorry, I was MIA from AN for a while)
If Pennington manages 17 HRs, I’ll vow to consume an article of clothing to achieve a humorous effect --Joey C.
Are you on AN parole?
Do you need to report to another Admin on a regular basis? And not associate with known low-lifes?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
"And not associate with known low-lifes?"
Then what’s he doing back here? OHHH!!!!
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play MLB on a relic decision
This would be a great opportunity to play off mlb for a relocation decision. Since the a’s have actual leverage in the Japan opener as there’s only 2 teams playing! Negotiate a matsui signing for the sj rights and it’s a win-win.
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relic , as in relocation. stupid iPhone small letters.
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I think cuppingmasters similar idea is a good one
We take Barry Zito with the territorial rights.
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by dwishinsky on Oct 30, 2011 6:17 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
A's will never be winners as long...
The A’s will never be winners as long as they continue to purge their roster every year and claim they are “rebuilding.” You can’t rebuild when you don’t keep your talent. As much as I have loved the A’s for the past 35 years or so, do they think we fans are stupid? The A’s have become a farm team for the rest of the major leagues…they develop talent and then either trade it away or lose the players to free agency. This “we need a new stadium” crap they feed us rings hollow in the fans’ ears. Yes, they need a new stadium, but they also need to build a winning team first. And that means keeping talent, not purging the roster every year or two.
And also not creating rosters that anyone in their right mind would want to purge.
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The A's do need to keep their talent,
but what does that have to do with Matsui?
Being wrong about something you’ve worked on is a blessing, not a curse, and people are so invested in being right that that gets lost. —Graham MacAree
How was 2011 a purge?
If anything, it was the opposite. We kept the pitching, and brought Willingham/DeJesus/Matsui into the fold.
I purged in my mouth quite a bit watching this team play...
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by dwishinsky on Oct 30, 2011 6:17 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I think their biggest problem when rebuilding is they never fully commit to rebuilding.
Nor have they been bad enough to get top caliber picks in the draft.
"I don't mean to sound bitter, cold or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out" -RIP Bill Hicks
by Johnny Carcinogen on Oct 30, 2011 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Carter should be DH
Allen at first. Barton gone
A better question to ask is what are we going to do at third?… I like Sizemore but he doesn’t have the arm to play third. Any FA possiblites?
One of those players you listed had a 5 WAR season in 2010 and wasn't healthy last year.
Guess which
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I'n confused by your response
Barton and 3B were mentioned in the same paragraph and yet…
The monster at the end of this blog.
It's obvious innit?
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Well, Barton has to come back and prove he can return to his 2010 productivity
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poing being, he needs the chance at that as opposed to "being gone"
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Has anybody realized that Allen's Athletics 2011 line is actually WORSE than Barton's 2011?
After that hot start…he fell off. Quickly.
Allen: .270 wOBA
Barton: .273 wOBA
Don't confuse him with facts
I can't see, now I have to pee, and I can't count to three, but I can count to JAEGERMEISTER!
There's more to baseball than facts.
That’s a fact. That being said, Allen’s overall results in 2011 were, in fact, not very good despite his awesome debut. However, you are confusing the past with the future. The question is how good he, or Barton, will be going forward, and no facts can conclusively answer this — it is a matter of opinion, with room for facts, analysis, and flat out guessing.
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but Allen hits dingerz!
astoundingly high and long ones on a ocassion
by my_cat_max on Oct 30, 2011 4:29 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Me.
FOR WHERE ARE THE BRANDON ALLEN HATERS, I’M STILL WAITING.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
Conor Jackson's wOBA after trade to Boston: .238
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At least I will always have you, Cope. :(
We’re so alone in this world.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
still... he's worth a shot
Better than signing Matsui
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by cuppingmaster on Oct 30, 2011 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions
There is not enough alcohol in the WORLD for me to cope with Chris Carter as the A's regular DH.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
I have
It sucks. I don’t know when the rep for beer started, but it obviously ran its course decades ago. In fact, I live less than 3 hours away and have no plans ever to return unless the A’s stop by for interleague.
There is enough alcohol, just in my cabinet, for me to cope with anything.
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You'd cope with it just fine if, once he had regular playing time, he succeeded like he's done in the past at each level of the minors
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I would like someone to vouch that he looked that totally ridiculous and terrified at each level of the minors before succeeding.
His ABs depress me to a deep, deep level of depression.
DEEP.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
It's well established that he struggled at every level before settling in and mashing
He didn’t mash as much overall in Triple-A but he still showed enough.
He’s never had consistent play yet in the bigs.
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It's simple to see just by looking at his numbers.
He takes time to adjust and then goes back to wrecking shop.
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I just don't understand why the fuck it's taking so long to hear back from MLB/Selig for a decision on the stadium
It’s become beyond frustrating. Tell us yes or no already. Also, if no answer is the front office just going to sit on their hands forever?
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he is making sure he takes past-due diligence
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"Nes! Yo! Splunge!"
“Splunge…I like it.”
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by Nico on Oct 30, 2011 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m sure there’s a room full of lawyers somewhere working out what the lawsuit filed by the Giants will look like and how much it will cost to settle.
I don't think the Giants even have a case.
If 3/4 of the owners vote to let the A’s move, they vote. And if MLB thinks it’s in the interest of MLB to revoke the rights upon such a vote, they can, no?
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It’s always complicated with baseball. Anytime they go to court over territory, they have to defend the antitrust exemption, and that’s never a good thing for the status quo.
Also, we have no idea what kind of agreement the Giants made with MLB when they built their stadium.
Isn't the antitrust exemption what allows the Giants to have exclusive territory in the first place?
If they were to fight against the antitrust (and even succeed in getting rid of it), doesn’t that mean the Giants no longer have exclusive rights to any territory?
yes I believe you are right
Without the anti-trust exemption theoretically there could be no “territorial rights” as they exist now.
by Billy Frijoles on Oct 31, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
What lawsuit?
They can’t sue. It’s part of the charter, and the Giants owners agreed to it when they joined the lodge.
The really aggravating part is the “sacrosanct” nature of the TR’s. My question is, which version of the TR’s is so sacred? The one that existed in the eighties, (which had the A’s holding the TR’s to SJ), or the ones that exist now? Wouldn’t restoring those rights back to the A’s be the natural course of action? After all, the Gints never built their stadium in SJ, which was the point of cedeing the rights in the first place.
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer
It's all a sham, IMO
29 owners should all concur that the A’s moving to SJ is best for 29/30 of the teams, aka “MLB,” the vote should allow the A’s to move, the rights should simultaneously be taken from the Giants with acknowledgement that the rights should have only been granted temporarily in the first place and were never intended to be permanent, and if the Giants don’t like it they can go cry in the corner. That takes all of one day, not 3 years, to accomplish.
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I'm not even convinced that moving to SJ would be worse for the Giants
corporations still would want to sponsor the Giants, fans in Oakland would find it quicker and easier to get to SF than SJ, overall I think this is more a strategy to kill the A’s entirely and move them out of market.
by Billy Frijoles on Oct 31, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, that or at least delay a new stadium.
A’s in San Jose isn’t so bad for the Giants. What’s good for the Giants is (a) the A’s leave the Bay Area altogether, (b) the A’s new stadium, wherever it is, is postponed as long as possible, or (c) the Giants get a payoff/bribe from MLB for giving up their territorial rights.
That’s three ways for the Giants to win. The only way they “lose” is if the A’s end up in San Jose, and that’s not really even a loss at all. So it’s a win-win-win proposition for the Giants to drag this out for as long as they can.
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You know,
another interesting angle to the argument would be that the rights were ceded so that MLB could move into another lucrative market. However, the Giants never made the move. The point being that such a move would have provided geographical separation in a large population area. Therefore, the rights aught to be ceded to the team willing to make the move.
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer
The World Series has barely been over for a day.
We’ve known all along they weren’t going to announce anything until the WS was over. And they weren’t going to announce it on a weekend, either. The soonest anything was going to be announced was going to be tomorrow morning. So give it till then, at least.
Being wrong about something you’ve worked on is a blessing, not a curse, and people are so invested in being right that that gets lost. —Graham MacAree
Sign Drew, along with Grady Sizemore to 1 year deals
Weeks 2B
Penny SS
Drew DH/LF
Sizemore CF
Sizemore 3B
Allen 1B
Taylor RF
Carter LF/DH
Suzuki C
It’s not a good lineup, but it’s time to take a half-season to see what Allen, Taylor, and Carter can do. Bring up Barton to replace one mid-season (moving Allen to OF if need be) as inevitably one of the three will have failed.
I would hate to have to root for J.D. Drew.
When I think of the recent great douchebags in baseball, Drew is high on the list.
by Billy Frijoles on Oct 31, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
NEEDS MOAR SIZEMOARZ
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
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