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Future Fanpost Topics


With the holidays over, it's back to work for me.  I won't have the time for an extended post for a while, but I do have a couple of topics that AN might want to run with, either here in the comments or in your own extended fanpost: 

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1.  The next Collective Bargaining Agreement.  This came up in the comments section of both Jeffro and my recent point/counterpoint on contraction.  What changes do you think will be made to the next CBA, when it expires after 2011?  Here's five potential Union concessions to think about:  Combined international/domestic draft; slot bonuses for draft picks; extending the luxury tax and keeping it capped at $178M (this sets a sort of soft threshold for the 29 other teams, and directly hurts the Yankees, since the tax figure has inflated gradually throughout the current CBA); increase the luxury tax penalty for multi-year "offenders" (Yankees) from 40% to 50%; Olympic-level year-round drug and HGH testing.  Here's five Owner concessions:  raise the minimum salary from $410K to $500K-$750K; eliminate Super 2 status; allow all players to reach arbitration for the first time after reaching 2.000 years of service; allow players to reach FA after 5 years of cost control, rather than 6; eliminate free agent compensation, or revise it in such a way that it is not a drag on a player's market value (example here).  You could also weigh in on expanding playoffs, 154 vs. 162 games, day/night doubleheaders, travel restrictions, 26-man rosters, adding the DH to the NL, revenue sharing, salary cap/mandated salary "floor", etc. 

Contraction is sometimes part of Collective Bargaining discussions too, even if it's simply a two-line phrase such as, "The Owners reserve the right to contract up to two teams through 2017, subject to approval of Owners via at least 75% of a vote," etc.   Do you think that such language will exist in the next CBA? 

(1b:  Off-topic, but:  Anybody have some thoughts on the upcoming NFL and NBA CBAs, too?  My three favorite leagues will be making some important changes to their rule/money structures in the next 12-18 months...I find that stuff very interesting).

2.  I almost never listen to out-of-town games, usually prefering the mute button as I watch.  But I do listen to both Fosse/Kuiper and Krukow/Kuiper when I watch the local action.  Who is the best announcing crew in baseball in your opinion, and why?  Where would you rank the two local crews, in relation to the other crews you've heard?  (Personally, I have only wierd pet peeve here - I hate three-man booths on the national games.  Not sure why.  The traditional two-person format seems smoother to me). 

3.  Is Carl Pavano the inverse of Adrian Beltre?  What I mean is, perhaps it's easier to attract Pavano to play for the A's than Beltre.  On the A's, Beltre would've been the only player from the Dominican Republic on the 25-man roster, and maybe even the only Spanish speaker(?) on the 25-man.  Maybe that's irrelevant, but maybe there is some appeal to having some of your own countrymen and native language speakers in the lockerroom.  He also would almost certainly underperform expectations in the surface-level offensive stats that most casual fans and media care about.  Thus he'd be dogged with the same criticisms he faced in Seattle from casual fans and media members.  Contrast that with the experience Beltre is likely to have if he signs in Texas.   

Then there's Pavano.  It would seem to me that Oakland's niche free agent market - if they even have such a thing - is the pursuit of pitch-to-contact, low-strikeout guys who rely on great defense and reasonable-or-better park effects to be successful.  Pavano is being pursued by the Twins, Nationals, and perhaps a few other interested teams.  He's one of the four remaining Type A free agents, so he'd cost the Nationals their third-round pick, the Twins nothing, and the A's their second-round pick (about No. 70 overall).  Could you see the A's being interested in a two or three-year commitment to Pavano at $8M?  In your eyes, is he no better than the A's internal candidates for the 5th spot?  Would he provide enough depth to allow the team to comfortably trade one of the Front Four? 

4.  Nico has informed me that I'm now contractually obligated to write about one horribly depressing baseball topic per week***.  For some of you, discussing Carl Pavano already fulfilled that duty.  Then there's this:  Let's say the A's are clearly out of contention at midseason, and the Yankees are strongly in contention but still lacking SPs after Andy Pettitte's (possible) retirement announcement.  The Yankees offer Montero (A), Banuelos (B+) , Adam Warren, Graham Stoneburner, and David Phelps (all three RHSP B-'s or fringe B's) for Brett Anderson.  Would the A's accept?  How about if they asked for Gio instead, but offered less? 

Personally I love all five of those Yankees prospects, and none of the five require a 40-man slot yet.  The A's would greatly increase their minor-league SP depth, and add the only star-level hitter who's currently not labeled untouchable in the minor leagues.  I believe that one of Warren/Stoneburner/Phelps would become a ML rotation fixture, and Banuelos arguably has Anderson's upside in his best-case scenario.  If Carter has proven by then that he can be a passable (-5) left fielder, I'd consider the deal.   If Carter still looks destined for DH at that point (-15 in LF), I have no interest in the deal whatsoever, because Montero becomes far less desirable.  Carrying two DH's makes no sense.    

***Tune in next week as I analyze soaring ticket prices that squeeze out middle-class families from the ballpark, Bud Selig's male modeling career, and other crowd-pleasing topics. 

If any of those topics #1-4 caught your interest, I'd be grateful if you share your thoughts in the comments below, or even take one of them on as a fanpost.  These types of discussions keep the offseason moving for me until baseball is here again. 

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There might not be people who speak Spanish as a first language on the A's

but there are plenty of people who speak fluent DLese. Therefore, Pavano would feel at home.

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by kaweahkaweah on Jan 3, 2011 6:06 PM PST reply actions  

"Hey, Joey Devine... big fan of your work!"

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by YonYonson on Jan 3, 2011 8:01 PM PST up reply actions  

This fanpost was not negative enough to satisfy the once/week requirement.

I am seriously considering contracting you.

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by Nico on Jan 3, 2011 6:12 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

expanded playoffs

i like the thought of more playoff teams, I just don’t think there is a good way to make it happen. First round bye’s are more harmful than beneficial in baseball IMO. there fore they would need to expand to eight in each league instead of four. But Eight in each league is way to much.

Six is a nice number in each league but how do you get two more teams into the playoffs. four divisions and two wildcards works in the NL but not the AL unless you wanted two three team divisions which wouldn’t work. three wildcards in each league would be the easyest option.

you could do a one game series between three wildcards. two play each other on Monday, the winner plays the best record wildcard on tues to get to a real 7-game series starting wens. one game series doesn’t really seem right though to determine a winner and wouldn’t really expand the playoffs much for the extra two teams. there might also need to be a one game playoff to determine who goes to the one game playoffs pushing it back another day or two in messy tie’s.

about the only thing that would work for me is a three game series between four teams in each league back to back to back starting on Monday with a bye for the the top two. the next 7 game series starts on a Thursday so the bye teams only have three days off. the Three days off momentum disadvantage could equal the disadvantage the wildcards get in the next round as there best pitcher or best three pitchers have been spent. the problem of one game playoffs pushing back the series another day could be fixed by doing tiebreakers like in football to eliminate those.

all the options seem fatally flawed in some way with the last option the least worst

"Gratuitous gesticulating together sounds even better"

by OmahaHi on Jan 3, 2011 7:14 PM PST reply actions  

First round bye’s are more harmful than beneficial in baseball IMO.

Why is that? I think a first round bye is a wonderful idea. Baseball is a system where a 90-win team can go into a five game series with an 81-win .500 team and only expect to win 60% of the time. A first round bye would be a huge advantage, and extend playoff races up until the wire (look at the apathy in chasing the AL East crown this year). It’d make the playoffs less of a crapshoot.

by danmerqury on Jan 3, 2011 7:32 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Momentum - a hot team can cool off way to fast with too many of days off.

I wouldn’t be opposed if that was the only way to make it happen, I just would keep the layoff as short as possible.

"Gratuitous gesticulating together sounds even better"

by OmahaHi on Jan 3, 2011 7:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I've seen no actual study indicating that momentum, or days off, has anything to do with playoff performance

As far as I can tell it’s just a bunch of people overreacting to the 2006 (and 2007, though Boston clearly was the better team that year anyway) World Series.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Jan 3, 2011 11:29 PM PST up reply actions  

not performance proper

but the ability to go with 3 or 4 man rotations has to be favorable to those with a strong 1-2-3 and a big dropoff to 4 and 5. (Either way, though, I don’t think we have enough sample size to do a real study)

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by cuppingmaster on Jan 3, 2011 11:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, that wouldn't change if the entire series was moved back a week.

The offdays in between games in the series is indeed an “unfair” advantage to those with unbalanced rotations.

by danmerqury on Jan 4, 2011 12:11 AM PST up reply actions  

This, this, a thousand times this

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Jan 3, 2011 11:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm very very torn on the idea of expanded playoffs

On one hand, I think it is ridiculous that baseball has the longest regular season in literally ALL sports ever and yet they have the least amount of teams in the playoffs.
However, is that an indictment on the part of MLB or the other major sports?
If MLB does expand its playoffs, I believe it means there needs to be a reshuffling of divisions, ESPECIALLY considering that the AL West has 4 teams and yet the NL Central has 6 teams and every other division has 5 teams?
That makes no sense.

All I can say about stats is…

SCOTT BROSIUS!!

by stranahanahan on Jan 3, 2011 9:40 PM PST up reply actions  

indictment of other sports

How do you know if your team is any good if sometimes you make it into the playoffs when you’re UNDER .500? It should be a requirement of all playoffs in any sport that you are .500.

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by cuppingmaster on Jan 3, 2011 11:16 PM PST up reply actions  

screw them

I tend to think the Saints with destroy them, anyway.

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by cuppingmaster on Jan 3, 2011 11:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Judging from that poll they took, seems like most Seahawk fans would be okay with such a rule...

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Jan 4, 2011 2:53 AM PST up reply actions  

This doesn't seem relevant other than this year in the NFL

Hell, the Dubs were a 50 win team and didn’t make the playoffs…

All I can say about stats is…

SCOTT BROSIUS!!

by stranahanahan on Jan 4, 2011 1:33 AM PST up reply actions  

That Warriors team was basically the best non-playoff team in NBA history

Citing them as an example is like citing the 1906 White Sox as an example of the non-necessity of offense for a World Series title.

There are 16 NBA (and NHL) playoff spots and only 30 teams. It has to be the case that there will usually be a sub-.500 playoff team. (In the NFL, by contrast, with 12 spots and 32 teams, no team could ever make the playoffs at sub-.500 without the benefit of a division where the talent level is bizarrely poor like this season’s NFC West.)

This is one major reason why the NBA playoffs are unwatchable. (The other is that seven-game series are so long, in the basketball context, that upsets never happen except when the nominal underdog has some kind of matchup advantage.) They should cut down to 12 teams and 3-game series, and then it might actually be worth paying some attention to.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Jan 4, 2011 2:41 AM PST up reply actions  

I completely disagree

I believe that in the past 5 years, no major sport has had a more entertaining postseason than the NBA. I truly think the level of play has been phenomenal in the postseason recently.
The only other sport to come close has been the NHL…
While I do believe the NBA should cut down the playoff teams, there have still been great teams at the 5-8 seeds recently…

All I can say about stats is…

SCOTT BROSIUS!!

by stranahanahan on Jan 4, 2011 2:50 AM PST up reply actions  

The disparity between 1 and 8, and 2 and 7 is so great, though.

They may be good games in their own right, but that doesn’t mean they should be playoff games. Besides the Warriors knocking off the Mavs a few years ago, when else has 8 defeated 1? Plus, the entertainment value is really that there tends to be one dude on a relatively mediocre team who can carry them and watching HIM is cool.

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by cuppingmaster on Jan 4, 2011 6:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Well the Spurs did beat the Mavs in the 1st round as a seed

And the Thunder-Lakers 1st round series was probably the best competition the Lakers faced outside of the Finals….
I disagree that these teams have 1 star and no one else entertaining.

Spurs have Parker, Ginobli and Duncan and other great role players. The Thunder do have Durant, but they also have Green, Westbrook, Harden and other role players.
I don’t believe that there is that significant a gap between 1 and 8 that a low seed can’t make a real run at the thing in the playoffs.
In hockey, just look at what the Canadiens were able to do in the playoffs last year…

All I can say about stats is…

SCOTT BROSIUS!!

by stranahanahan on Jan 4, 2011 9:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, somehow 1 vs. 8 seems to work out better in the NHL

But then again, I think hockey teams overall are much closer to each other in terms of roster talent. Plus, they really only go as far as their goaltending, anyway.

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by cuppingmaster on Jan 4, 2011 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Hockey is an utterly different sport than basketball

The outcome of a single hockey game is incredibly random, maybe more so than even baseball. Far more so than basketball. Don’t conflate the two.

The hockey playoffs are still overinflated and trivialize the regular season, but that’s a separate issue.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Jan 4, 2011 2:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep. Tango has had a couple of good posts on this.

Basketball takes far less games than most sports to establish/reveal a team’s true talent level. Partially because the game is 48 minutes long, which breaks down into more than a hundred “mini-games” (possessions) in which the best players all get to assert themselves in nearly every one of those “mini-games”. (This is different than, say, Pujols batting only 4 times).

Don’t quote me on this figure, but something like ~40-50 regular season NBA games would be enough to determine a standings hierarchy that accurately reflected the talent on the court. Definitely far less than they currently play. Their regular season is comically long, from that standpoint.

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by notsellingjeans on Jan 4, 2011 3:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Absolutely

The NBA could play two six-month seasons— with full trading, hot stove, free agency, and the works in between each one— in each year. It’s quite easy. Just cut down to 40 games and reduce the playoffs to eight teams and 5-game series. You’d literally have double the competition, and much more than double the tension. But the best or near-best teams would usually still win.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Jan 4, 2011 5:09 PM PST up reply actions  

the lockout year in 99' was the most fun to watch IMO

teams were playing back to backs followed by back to back to backs etc. 5 games a week for the 50 game season. . they cramed 50 games into 2 1/2 months. really helped me get into Basketball and 50 games was plenty to decide playoff teams.

"Gratuitous gesticulating together sounds even better"

by OmahaHi on Jan 5, 2011 5:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Expanded Playoffs - the likely proposal

I think the league has already stated that expanded playoffs, if it happens, would add only one additional playoff team per league. Then the two wild cards in each league would meet each other for the right to advance to the Divisional Round. Essentially the three division winners earn a first-round “bye,” if you want to look at it that way, but really it’s more like the Wild Card winners are in a “play-in series,” akin to the first round of the NCAA tourney.

Up for debate is how that Opening Round/“play in” series would look – one game (ridiculous, IMO), best of 3, or best of 5.

I think this would be a great idea*, either in the best-of-3 or a best-of-5 with a day-night doubleheader. It has to wrap up quickly so the Divisional Seri can begin.

*Somehow, there needs to be hope for the Baltimores and Torontos of MLB. Two wild cards helps with that.

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by notsellingjeans on Jan 4, 2011 12:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I think it's more so that the Yankees and Red Sox have a better chance to get in every year

This year’s Red Sox free playoffs probably annoyed some TV types.

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by WaddellCanseco on Jan 4, 2011 5:07 AM PST up reply actions  

I may get smacked for saying this, but I don't mind the Boston announcers (Please don't ban me).

Being part of Red Sox nation, they were far more balanced than I expected them to be. They also knew a little bit about our players, but that could be because the Red Sox may buy them in a few years. I also don’t mind the Minnesota crew.

As for our own announcers, they aren’t bad. When the game gets a little slow, it can be fun to play drinking games centered around how many times Fosse is going to talk about food or mention high definition TV. Since I prefer to hear inane chatter about my A’s rather than another team, I would probably rank them higher than most of the other crews.

by MontanaA'sfan on Jan 3, 2011 7:16 PM PST reply actions  

I like them too

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by WaddellCanseco on Jan 3, 2011 8:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Strongly agree

Red Sox games are fun to listen to even if you hate the Red Sox. Joe Castiglione has a great voice and an amazing wealth of knowledge, and Dave O’Brien is pretty inoffensive and helpful as the second fiddle.

I had the chance to sit next to Joe Castiglione at a dinner once. He was gracious and a lot of fun. He asked where everyone at the table went to college and then shared what he knew about their college teams. None were big D1 programs, either. He had an amazingly detailed knowledge of Ivy League and NESCAC (New England D3) sports, including personal relationships with many of the head coaches.

But the clincher was that this dinner was in early 2006, and Joe spent a lot of time talking about Bill King and how much he meant to him personally.

Is it spring yet?

by eastcoasta'sfan on Jan 3, 2011 8:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Nice. :-)
But the clincher was that this dinner was in early 2006, and Joe spent a lot of time talking about Bill King and how much he meant to him personally.

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by UncleLeo on Jan 3, 2011 11:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Did he talk about Chris Denorfia?

(Different league, but also from a D-III New England school.)

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Jan 3, 2011 11:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Wheaton, right?

I don’t remember him mentioning Denorfia but he might have. I heard a LOT of names from Joe that night . . .

Obviously I don’t know you but I picture you and Joe having a great time together. Joe with the data, you with the meaning of the data . . .

Is it spring yet?

by eastcoasta'sfan on Jan 4, 2011 5:55 AM PST up reply actions  

I was going to mention this and was ashamed...

"Not in your wildest alcoholic nightmare would you ever imagine such events unfolding!" Bill King

by Buck Turgidson on Jan 3, 2011 9:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Fosse and Kuiper... meh.

I mute the TV and listen to Ken.

At one point in my life I liked Dave Kingman more than Rickey Henderson. I was stupid.

by the_rozeboom on Jan 3, 2011 10:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Does anyone know if the MLB radio package has a slight delay vs MLB Extra Innings?

I was listening to the NFL radio package during a Dan Fouts broadcast and it was about five seconds behind. It wasn’t so bad that I wanted to turn the sound on the TV back on, but it was a bit irritating. I have heard a number of people mention Ken Korach as a decent broadcaster, but I have never listened to him.

by MontanaA'sfan on Jan 4, 2011 5:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Decent?!?

KK has got to be one of the best alive right now.

As to the time difference btwn the radio and TV feeds, it varies. Sometimes one is a few seconds faster than the other, but not consistent from game to game.

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by Elvez on Jan 4, 2011 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Korach is excellent.

Lovely voice and superb play-by-play skills.

Korach has a mellow, non-intrusive personality, so he doesn’t jump out at you as being especially flashy, but he’s extremely good at making sure you always know what’s going on while just listening to the radio.

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by iglew on Jan 4, 2011 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I really need to start listening to Korach while I watch the game on TV.

Sounds like a lot of people do this. I’m sure I’d enjoy it more.

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by notsellingjeans on Jan 4, 2011 3:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I actually DON'T listen to Korach when watching on TV.

If I’m watching on TV, I want a TV broadcaster, even if they are lame.

But I listen to radio about 95% of the time. One of the things I like about baseball is it’s such a good radio sport. I can listen and do other things at the same time. I’m not a natural multi-tasker, so if I watch on TV I’m just stuck there watching TV. I can barely even keep up with a game thread if I’m watching on TV.

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by iglew on Jan 4, 2011 4:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh shit, I forgot I had the gamethread on!

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shift-A > z z z z z z z z z

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by iglew on Jan 5, 2011 4:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I listen to Korach 100% of the time,

even though I watch all the games on TV. I really would recommend the $150.00 Delay Play that allows you to synch the TV and radio. It’s one of those purchases I have never regretted for a single moment.

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by Nico on Jan 4, 2011 7:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow, Nico!

That’s probably the best $150.00 you have spent since you purchased those twin cross dressing midgets on Ebay for Christmas….

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by mrod on Jan 6, 2011 7:07 PM PST up reply actions  

OT upcoming NFL CBA

the most important thing to me in the NFL is to get a rookie salary cap similar to basketball. give them three years of very good, not great, salary’s and give them every incentive to stay with the drafting team afterwards if the team decides to keep them. Of course the money saved would have to go back into vet’s salary’s or much better retirement benefits for all players. At least having the top picks in the draft wouldn’t be such an albatross to the team’s if they draft bad. If that dosen’t fly let NFL teams go the way of MLB and let them get the same pick +1 in the next years draft if unable to sign.

18 game season’s would be awsome to watch. player’s are going to get hurt more though. I don’t even think two bye’s would be enough. Three bye’s, every four/five games, would let the player’s be much more healthy for such a long season, it would expand the season another full month with the extra bye’s and games. I’m down. The NFL would make alot more money and I would like an extra month of football.

And nothing to do with the CBA but do something about instant replay. Refs are still fking up way too many games. At the very least give them a third challage if they get either the first or second right, I would also prefer all questionable TD’s to be booth reviewed with twice as many camera’s around the end zone. I think I can deal with games lasting another 10-15 mins if they got more calls right. I’m curious how bad things were back in the day before replay.

   

"Gratuitous gesticulating together sounds even better"

by OmahaHi on Jan 3, 2011 7:39 PM PST reply actions  

Awesome, some great points here.

I think their wide-open rookie contracts are hurting the NFL. The fact that a guy can get drafted and instantly become the highest-paid player in league history (Long) at his position is insane to me. There’s also too many cautionary JaMarcus Russell and Alex Smith tales to count.

One thing that baseball does right is basically requiring guys in their teens and early 20s to prove something before they can become absurdly wealthy – basically, no one reaches arbitration until they are fully-grown man. I think it makes it more likely that they meet their potential as athletes, which is rewarding to see as a fan. By the time they are absurdly wealthy, they’ve already developed the work habits and maturity that are likely to last them the rest of their careers.

I like your idea of shorter and smaller rookie contracts in the NFL. Basically, redistributing money to elite players who have earned it – 25-30 year-olds who have had 3 good years already.

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by notsellingjeans on Jan 4, 2011 12:38 AM PST up reply actions  

NFL players have short, violent careers and are often better when they enter the league than they are by the time they hit free agency

Assuming that matching pay and performance is generally a good idea, I don’t see why it should necessarily be wrong that a rookie gets more money than vets do. If teams routinely see that players don’t live up to signing bonuses, those bonuses will drop.

I’m all for a set pay scale in order to prevent these ridiculous holdout situations, but I have a feeling my sense of what is “fair pay” for rookies is immensely higher than those who seem to espouse the medieval concept that players should be required to go through what essentially amounts to forced apprenticeships in order to reach some “promised land” where they’re actually paid what they’re worth. It’s bad enough that football players have to survive the college system for three years.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Jan 4, 2011 2:48 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Very good points

The two sports are so different as to make comparison meaningless.

Football is essentially an athletic sport with a very short career, and baseball is a skill sport with a relatively long career. QB is the only truly skill position in football, in that it takes mastery of numerous very difficult skills.

Take a superb athlete at WR, RB, DB, LB or OL/DL with 2 years’ college experience, put them in the pros, and in a year or two they can perform at the highest level. 4-3 middle linebackers, strong safeties, and centers have a little more to learn but it’s not fundamentally different.

Simply untrue in baseball. Guys like Huston Street are so rare as to be very newsworthy.

The pay scales in the sports reflect the economics. Younger players are more valuable in the NFL, less so in baseball. Baseball brings in a LOT more money than football because they play so many more games. That plus a better union is why baseball players make more money.

Not sure why baseball has a better union. . . would be a good fanpost topic. Maybe I’ll research it some day.

Is it spring yet?

by eastcoasta'sfan on Jan 4, 2011 6:06 AM PST up reply actions  

The smaller number of players on baseball teams makes organizing them easier

There may also be a steeper quality dropoff from MLB stars to replacement players.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Jan 4, 2011 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

way OT

but related to football careers…did anyone read the malcolm gladwell piece on football and brain trauma? yikes.

by mk on Jan 4, 2011 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes.

The idea that middle-class families won’t allow their sons to play football in 20 years is provocate and mind-bending, and a bit of an exaggeration, like a lot of Gladwell’s stuff. There’s no way families in the South would stop having their kids play football.

But his articles on that topic are a good read.

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by notsellingjeans on Jan 4, 2011 3:58 PM PST up reply actions  

oh for sure

i mean, he essentially says as much in there, but it’s fascinating nonetheless.

by mk on Jan 4, 2011 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I read it

and it really concerns me. among other things, my son will be playing NCAA football next year (prob. D3 or low D1). He has had a concussion, though his was managed very well. He sat out 4 weeks, which is what you should do for a mild concussion. Those 4 weeks may have cost him a shot at a higher D1 school, but there’s no doubt it was worth it.

That being said, I played D1 football and so did about 40 other guys I know pretty well and am in regular contact with. We are mid 40’s now. If the dangers were really as extreme as this story indicated, I’d have to think I’d know someone who would be having issues. But, of the roughly 40 guys I know personally who are former D1 players, all are doing at least fairly well in their personal and professional lives and none has an issue I’m aware of.

Concussions and brain trauma are really bad news, and football will always create these problems. Our neurologist said that the big issues are not the ones you see – the violent, head to head collisions – but rather the unexpected small blows from the side and the repeated sub concussive traumas.

The good news is that awareness, equipment, prevention and treatment are picking up at all levels. Our son’s concussion was spotted by the other team’s coach, who was concerned about the way he was hit and had the refs stop play. Teams at all levels are going to 1 or at most 2 days of contact per week. Preseason practices are reducing contact. and on and on.

Is it spring yet?

by eastcoasta'sfan on Jan 5, 2011 5:42 AM PST up reply actions  

That's why I'd be in favor of letting them reach FA or restricted FA after 2-3 years

That’s compromise. Some control on the high-end salaries and yet they reach FA 3-4 years sooner. That’s huge. Currently standard rookie contracts are six years. One of the downsides to that is that an elite player can basically only sign one big free agent contract in his lifetime (qb’s being an exception because they age better).

The NFL misses an opportunity to make their hot stove season relevant. Think about how interesting the MLB offseason is. MLBTR gets tens of thousands of readers daily, including MLB players. The NFL hot stove is pathetic in comparison. If players reached FA after 2-3 years, they’d get to sign multiple huge FA contracts, which is greater publicity, media coverage, etc. It also would put far more great players out in the market in free agency than there currently are.

2-3 years with some slotting is a good compromise. By then you’d know whether a player was a bust, or worthy of a $50M+ investment.

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by notsellingjeans on Jan 4, 2011 8:34 AM PST up reply actions  

I think the trading of draft picks is largely responsible for the boringness of the NFL offseason

but that’s a separate concern. Early free agency might make things more interesting, I agree.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Jan 4, 2011 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

before replay people were more passionate about the games

the “immaculate reception” was a farce and a horrible call, but here’s how it worked out. raiders fans loved their team more, hated the steelers more, and felt the nfl and the whole world was against them. everybody else was glad that the raiders got screwed.

i fail to see how instant replays actually help in relevant ways. they make the games slower and less interesting.

this isn’t a court of law. it’s sport. human error is what sport is all about.

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by eastcoasta'sfan on Jan 4, 2011 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Ugh.

I want human error from the players, not from the refs. The refs should be as invisible as possible.

by danmerqury on Jan 4, 2011 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

But what NFL wants is not for you to be more content

but to be more passionate about the sport. Not necessarily the same thing. I think East Coast A’s Fan makes an interesting, counterintuitive point.

Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.

by iglew on Jan 4, 2011 2:58 PM PST up reply actions  

But the technology only continues to get better

I think that will make the errors more and more glaring and unacceptable over time.

Fans at the Cowboys stadium are looking at a JumboTron that runs the length of half the playing field, in HD. Fans at home are seeing 30 replays. The errors will get more and more egregious.

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by notsellingjeans on Jan 4, 2011 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

That's a good point.

I would only add that what is important here is not that the umpire’s call is correct, but only that it agrees with what all the fans see on their screens. If for some reason the cameras could be reliably wrong — like if the PitchFX system was rigged somehow — fans would clamor for the umpires to be wrong along with them.

Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.

by iglew on Jan 4, 2011 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I think everyone feels that way, myself included

but replay isn’t free. it has a cost, and i think the cost/benefit is off on replay. sure, we all want fairness and accuracy. But we really don’t get it anywhere else in life. why should we get it only in sport?

and no, i’m not a PAGAN. i just know it was the immaculate reception that made me forever love the raiders, and i know i’m not alone.

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by eastcoasta'sfan on Jan 5, 2011 5:26 AM PST up reply actions  

This is utterly bizarre

Life is unfair, so when offered the chance to make things more fair, we should turn it down?

Are you secretly a judge from 1930s Alabama or something?

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Jan 6, 2011 12:07 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm not a segregationist judge.

I’m a football player. I like play, not replay. Most players feel the same way.

Coaches tell you to win by two touchdowns so you don’t let the refs into the game. If you let the refs into the game, you deserve to lose.

What’s bizarre to us is stopping a game so someone can review a play that the officials already called. Plus, if you really looked at everything on a play, you’d call at least 5 penalties every play (one per offensive lineman). So, don’t bother. Just get on with the game.

The cost/benefit just isn’t worth it in professional sports. Let the players play the game, the officials make the calls, and the fans bitch and moan.

Isn’t that what fans want to do anyway?

Is it spring yet?

by eastcoasta'sfan on Jan 6, 2011 5:59 PM PST up reply actions  

There were a mind-boggling number of bad calls in football before instant replay

You could pretty much count on one or two games a season being seriously influenced one way or the other by some blown call.

It couldn’t have come any sooner.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Jan 4, 2011 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

There still are.

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by mikev on Jan 4, 2011 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

kind of arguing against my own point here

it’s true that there still are a lot of bad calls, but there are a lot fewer, and the most egregious ones get overturned. i just think that passion for the game would be higher without replay. I also think games would be shorter . . .

Is it spring yet?

by eastcoasta'sfan on Jan 5, 2011 5:28 AM PST up reply actions  

probably more like one or two games a week

"Gratuitous gesticulating together sounds even better"

by OmahaHi on Jan 5, 2011 5:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I meant per team

Over the whole league, yeah, one or two a week.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Jan 6, 2011 12:08 AM PST up reply actions  

"The Tuck Rule!"

ARRRRGH!

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by mrod on Jan 6, 2011 7:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll worry about mid-season trade deals once the season actually begins

Until then, I’d like to hear more about Bud Selig’s modeling career.

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by grover on Jan 3, 2011 7:45 PM PST reply actions  

I hear it was very tastefully done

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by WaddellCanseco on Jan 3, 2011 8:17 PM PST up reply actions  

It goes without saying, but I'll say it anyway...

The White Sox team… Harrelson, Stone, et al… is the absolute worst. Period. Hands down. End of topic. Enough said… lock the thread.

I like the Twins and Rangers announcing teams.

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by UncleLeo on Jan 3, 2011 7:52 PM PST reply actions  

Only because Physioc and Hudler aren't there anymore

Worst of all time

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by WaddellCanseco on Jan 3, 2011 8:17 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I think those two were better than Harrelson...

…though they do give him some competition, for sure.

"We don't see things as they are, we see things as we are."
~ Anais Nin

by UncleLeo on Jan 3, 2011 11:10 PM PST up reply actions  

It is so nice that there is a place togo where people understand my disdain for Hudler and Harrelson

I know this is off topic, but Fitzgerald of the Warriors reminds me of the White Sox crew, He is the only bay area announcer that I absolutely can’t stand.

by MontanaA'sfan on Jan 4, 2011 5:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Several years ago...

…I was having a discussion with several Giants fans regarding our teams respective announcers. Who was the biggest “homer”, Fosse vs Krukow, and so on. I was the lone A’s fan debating 4 Giants fans.

We were going back and forth for quite a long time. Then I said that regardless who was better or worse between our teams, the White Sox guys were the absolute worst out of anybody.

EVERYBODY stopped and agreed on that point.

"We don't see things as they are, we see things as we are."
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by UncleLeo on Jan 4, 2011 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Easily...

Only guys I actually could not watch a game with the sound on if they were on. I can deal with most announcers fine but not those 2 guys.

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Jan 4, 2011 4:36 PM PST up reply actions  

And we still hate Stone for stealing the Cy Young from Mike Norris.

At one point in my life I liked Dave Kingman more than Rickey Henderson. I was stupid.

by the_rozeboom on Jan 3, 2011 10:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes! Yes, we do.

"We don't see things as they are, we see things as we are."
~ Anais Nin

by UncleLeo on Jan 3, 2011 11:10 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

The CHW team are the biggest homers in the land. Every strikeout: “He gone!” When they go to commercial with the Sox leading: “The good guys still up 4-3.” It is absolutely ridiculous.

On the other hand, the Padres announcers aren’t bad, but aren’t overly great. I forget his name but the have a big burly bald guy who can be funny every so often. And I also enjoy the AZ announce team.

Nationally, I think Orel Hershiser and Bobby V are both great and very engaging.

As for our A’s, I grew up with Fosse/Papa calling the games, which I always loved. Glen Kuiper holds his own and will likely get better with time, but it seems like Fosse has lost interest these past couple of years.

by TnSD11 on Jan 4, 2011 9:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Ugh!

“He gone” is grating. “Good guys / bad guys” is childish. Calling the Twins the “Twinkies” is the stuff of an 8 yr old. Harrelson’s only redeeming quality is that he was such an idiot as GM that he drove LaRussa out of town so we could hire him.

I like Orel Hershiser on the national stage. And as much as I detest Joe Morgan, I liked Jon Miller. I found it funny that Morgan would give Hershiser the cold shoulder when they did broadcasts together. Morgan would barely respond to anything he said. When he did, it was minimal and dismissive. Orel must’ve been too intellectual for Joe, and , ya know… we can’t have intellectualism in baseball.

"We don't see things as they are, we see things as we are."
~ Anais Nin

by UncleLeo on Jan 4, 2011 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

After all I'd heard about Harrelson, I expected to dislike him.

But when I finally watched some WGN broadcasts, I was surprised to find that Hawk is just fine. I don’t understand the Hawk hate at all. I don’t think I’d like him for radio, but he’s pretty much everything I look for in a TV guy. The only complaint I could see is his homerism, but for a home broadcast that’s not really wrong.

Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.

by iglew on Jan 4, 2011 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

i don't think it's wrong for him to be a homer

i just happen to think his trademarky things are annoying. but that’s just personal preference. he does have the voice for the gig.

by mk on Jan 4, 2011 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I like "homerism", and even expect it... within reason.

Harrelson is loathe to admit the other team’s player made a good play, or a close call for the other team was the right call, even when replay shows as such. That’s beyond reasonable to me.

"We don't see things as they are, we see things as we are."
~ Anais Nin

by UncleLeo on Jan 4, 2011 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

WGN is nationwide, though.

If he were only available in Chicagoland, then he would be fine.

He should be more neutral as if he were doing an ESPN or TBS broadcast, because to everyone outside of Chicago, he in essence is.

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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jan 4, 2011 5:20 PM PST up reply actions  

They are so very terrible it's disgusting

I can’t stand hearing Hawk speak at all…

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SCOTT BROSIUS!!

by stranahanahan on Jan 4, 2011 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I like Hawk's voice.

Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.

by iglew on Jan 4, 2011 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

He does tell good stories about his playing days, I'll grant that.

"We don't see things as they are, we see things as we are."
~ Anais Nin

by UncleLeo on Jan 4, 2011 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I cant stand Josh Lewin and whoever the color guy is for the Rangers

The Twins, however, have good radio and tv guys. Dick Bremer and Bert Blyleven has to be one of the best, if not the best TV duo

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by hero66 on Jan 5, 2011 9:34 PM PST up reply actions  

None of those pitchers are really anything special

Warren and Phelps both have innings-eating #4 upside

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

www.domingobeisbol.com/Domingo/Home.html

by hero66 on Jan 3, 2011 8:53 PM PST reply actions  

Innings-eating-#4s are also known as Joe Blantons

who are very valuable while under team control, especially to a team like the A’s. Remember Blanton netted the A’s Cardenas, Outman and Spencer. Montero and Banuelos are damn good prospects, too, Montero’s ceiling essentially being a Miguel Cabrera clone. That’s a pretty damn good deal if you’re looking at it from Oakland’s point of view, but trading off Anderson would be the first signal of a fire sale and a lot of panicky A’s fans.

by NateHST on Jan 3, 2011 10:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Blanton was much more highly rated as prospect than either of those two

It is not often that a prospect rated as innings-eating/4th SP turns in a Joe Blanton.

by DeJay on Jan 4, 2011 4:25 AM PST up reply actions  

That's their absolute upside, though

There’s a decent chance they don’t reach it

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

www.domingobeisbol.com/Domingo/Home.html

by hero66 on Jan 5, 2011 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I do realize they aren't the best in the game

but I always feel weird listening to the games without Fosse/Kuip on the mic.

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by MissOakland on Jan 3, 2011 9:33 PM PST reply actions  

By "weird" you mean awesome of course

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by WaddellCanseco on Jan 4, 2011 5:08 AM PST up reply actions  

i understand the sentiment though

listening to fosse/kuip means you’re watching an a’s broadcast, and therefore, all is right with the world. until gio throws one bad pitch.

by mk on Jan 4, 2011 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

At the ballpark blog

I’m planning a comparison of the three leagues’ CBA situations. You’ll probably see it in a couple of weeks.

by vertig0 on Jan 3, 2011 9:35 PM PST reply actions  

Really looking forward to this! Great news.

You really do the community a wonderful service with that blog. I’ve learned a lot about architecture, finances, and local gov’t by being a regular lurker for the past 2 years.

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by notsellingjeans on Jan 4, 2011 12:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Who is the best announcing crew in baseball in your opinion, and why?

Currently, Ken Korach and whoever happens to be along for the ride (in this case good ‘ol Vince). 5 years ago I would have said Vin Scully, but watching probably around 25+ Dodger games a year (don’t worry, it’s usually just background noise), he’s at a point where his longevity is just cute and not effective anymore.
Frankly, I have a very difficult time being convinced a TV crew can compare to the best radio broadcast crews. It takes a much more colorful and broad knowledge of language to describe a baseball game to listeners who cannot see the action than it does to viewers.

All I can say about stats is…

SCOTT BROSIUS!!

by stranahanahan on Jan 3, 2011 9:44 PM PST reply actions  

I know I'm in the minority, but Scully never appealed to me.

His voice always drones into a monotone of nothing more than background noise half way into the game.

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by UncleLeo on Jan 3, 2011 11:15 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

He gave a pretty damn good call of Billy Chapel's perfect game, though.

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by notsellingjeans on Jan 4, 2011 12:41 AM PST up reply actions  

I thought I was the only person alive who doesn't love Scully.

What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.

by winchester5 on Jan 4, 2011 12:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Saying you don't like Scully is like screaming blasphemy to many.

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~ Anais Nin

by UncleLeo on Jan 4, 2011 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't love him.

I get that he’s a legend, but I find his voice rather annoying and his play-by-play to be “fine.”

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by Nico on Jan 4, 2011 7:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with all of that.

What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.

by winchester5 on Jan 4, 2011 10:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow I thought I was alone too

I found it interesting that MLB Network, during their best games of the 2000s, didn’t use his call when the Dodgers hit 4 straight to tie it, then Nomar hit the walkoff in the 11th.

It was the right decision though, without a doubt. That’s one of the most amazing things I’ve ever seen happen on a baseball field, and Scully, for the lack of a better word, ruined it.

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

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by hero66 on Jan 5, 2011 9:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I liked him but I thought he was nowhere near as good as his hype.

It's because he derived his torque from the buttocks -- cityplANner

by WaddellCanseco on Jan 4, 2011 5:09 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm not a huge fan of his style

But the fact that he does both TV and radio by himself is pretty crazy..

All I can say about stats is…

SCOTT BROSIUS!!

by stranahanahan on Jan 4, 2011 9:19 AM PST up reply actions  

His work is impressive, he's just not for me.

"We don't see things as they are, we see things as we are."
~ Anais Nin

by UncleLeo on Jan 4, 2011 12:50 PM PST up reply actions  

TV and radio are very different skills.

Some people can do both, but it’s a completely different job. With radio, the listener is relying on the play-by-play guy to communicate everything that’s going on. With TV, most of that is done by the video screen, and the broadcaster is just there as a guide and companion.

Sweet is the lore which Nature brings; / Our meddling intellect
Mis-shapes the beauteous forms of things:— / We murder to dissect.

by iglew on Jan 4, 2011 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Living in LA, I have really come to appreciate Vin...

I love watching any game he is doing, it just feels right.

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Jan 4, 2011 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I've spoken with Gio in Spanish

(Not just a few words either, we had a non-baseball related conversation.)

Not only is he fluent, Spanish may well be his first language. He’s certainly bilingual.

by OaklandSi on Jan 3, 2011 10:51 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Wow, very cool

If I was gonna guess one guy, it was going to be him.

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by notsellingjeans on Jan 4, 2011 12:42 AM PST up reply actions  

I think he's an English first, but culturally proud Hispanic

Much like most of my family.
I come from a largely Nicaraguan background, and while I certainly would like to this family foremost, I’m not predominantly Latin….

All I can say about stats is…

SCOTT BROSIUS!!

by stranahanahan on Jan 4, 2011 2:53 AM PST up reply actions  

not to get too OT here

but we’re talking about a population of more than 45 milion people in the U.S., with a very diverse range of self-identifications and perspectives.

I don’t know whether you’ve ever met or spoken to Gio.

by OaklandSi on Jan 4, 2011 4:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I didn't mean to place him into a pool of people or anything

But I do believe in an interview he said he was raised speaking both languages at a young age…

All I can say about stats is…

SCOTT BROSIUS!!

by stranahanahan on Jan 4, 2011 9:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Thinking about this more

My initial comment was incredibly ignorant.
My bad.

All I can say about stats is…

SCOTT BROSIUS!!

by stranahanahan on Jan 4, 2011 10:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Practical Realignment Scenarios

It’s only a matter of time before the Orioles, Rays, and Jays start hollering that they want out of the AL East and who can blame them? The Rays caught a bolt of lightning from 2008-2010, but the hopes of competition for them are always… 30% (or so?) lower than everyone else’s. Plus, having the two payroll titans in the same division and league makes sense only for them and works against the original point of the wild card.

Anyway, it’d be cool if you went through some of the possible permutations, NSJ.

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by cuppingmaster on Jan 3, 2011 11:26 PM PST reply actions  

I think adding the second wild card in each league, as is being discussed behind closed doors, would mitigate some of this.

Another thing to consider is, those three teams benefit from having the Red Sox and Yankees swing through their home park nine times a year. Those are great revenue days at the yard.

Another solution would be a balanced schedule. Each team still plays one division in interleague, but faces every team in it’s own league an equal number of times.

I think both of those are more practical than divisional realignment. I can only see that happening in the event of relocation or expansion/contraction, none of which is happening in the foreseeable future.

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by notsellingjeans on Jan 4, 2011 12:47 AM PST up reply actions  

i would like to know more about adrian beltre

what makes him tick? where’s he from?
has he got a girl? has he got parents? how many?
what are his hopes and dreams, his desires and aspirations?
does he think all the time or set aside a certain portion of the day?
how tall is he? what’s his shoe size?
what does he have for breakfast? does he put jam on his toast or doesn’t he? if not, why not, and since when?

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by xbhaskarx on Jan 3, 2011 11:30 PM PST reply actions   3 recs

Do athletic supporters make him chafe, or is he just a risk-taker by nature?

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by notsellingjeans on Jan 4, 2011 12:51 AM PST up reply actions  

As suggested on another fanpost,

I would like to see (and might do) a systematic study of performance of minor leaguers relative to the quality of their respective amateur leagues. Is it better to draft from the Pac-10 or from the West Coast Conference? Big 12, or Southland?

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Jan 3, 2011 11:35 PM PST reply actions   3 recs

This

I would love to see a juxtaposition of draft picks from different conferences and if there is a pattern of performance. Great idea.

by asyouwish33 on Jan 3, 2011 11:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Rec'd, awesome. That's the other thing I intended for this thread to be:

People post topics that they’d like to see turned into a fanpost, even if they personally lack the time or resources/skillset to do it. This is the best time to do this, when it’s the off season.

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by notsellingjeans on Jan 4, 2011 12:50 AM PST up reply actions  

It is

although with Wengen and Kitzbühel coming up, mine is almost over.

by elcroata on Jan 4, 2011 1:02 AM PST up reply actions  

I rec'd this too

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by WaddellCanseco on Jan 4, 2011 5:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Paul, before you invest too much time in this, I just remembered something

You might want to search the writing history of Jeff Sackmann (sp?) over at Hardball Times. His archive there is a goldmine in general, and I’m pretty sure he has tackled that topic specifically.

If PT or someone else does find what I’m thinking of, could you please post a relevant link in this thread? I’d be grateful.

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by notsellingjeans on Jan 4, 2011 4:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Not finding it

I did find some kenpom.com-lite (BTW, if you are in any way a college hoops fan and have not discovered that site, you have no idea what you’re missing) type analysis of strength of respective college conferences, which is obviously the key starting point for this sort of thing. But not anything on draft results of players from different conferences.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Jan 4, 2011 5:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Ah, that must've been what I was thinking of, sorry

I was remembering him analyze quality of play at D-II, D-III, etc.

I am aware of the greatness that is Ken Pomeroy. I often come across stuff at TrueHoop, which is a daily stop for me. TrueHoop is like my MLBTR for hoops – if something relevant is written in the blogosphere, I can be pretty sure it’ll get linked at TrueHoop and I’ll find it that way. Makes for some convenient one-stop shopping.

Do you attend any of the local college basketball games? (I can’t remember if you’re still local). I’d enjoy getting to meet up with you at one sometime.

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by notsellingjeans on Jan 4, 2011 5:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I get out to a few

I was at Cal-Kansas with a college friend of mine, which was pretty cool until Kansas’s ridiculous depth and way too much Josh Selby put the screws to Cal midway through the second half.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Jan 4, 2011 11:00 PM PST up reply actions  

if you're an NBA team, only draft players from duke

/ malcolm gladwell

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by xbhaskarx on Jan 4, 2011 11:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I think the best announcers in baseball are the Mets trio on SNY.

Gary Cohen is a good play by play, Darling may be the smartest announcer in all of sports, both within baseball and in general, and Keith Hernandez can be genuinely funny. They are balanced and knowledgeable, I love watching the Mets because of them.

What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.

by winchester5 on Jan 4, 2011 1:01 AM PST reply actions  

I didn't know Darling traveled with a team, I've only seen him on nat'l telecasts

He stands out as being far better than most nat’l guys to me, and I’d imagine he’s even better with a crew that he gets to work with daily.

Any thoughts on the trio vs. duo? Can it really be done well? I usually find that three guys end up tripping over each other.

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by notsellingjeans on Jan 4, 2011 1:19 AM PST up reply actions  

In general, Im not a huge fan of trios, I think a duo is much smoother, however these three are usually very in sync.

If there is ever any fumbling, its usually Hernandez, and he is not always there, so sometimes it is a Darling-Cohen duo, which is really fantastic. However, if any team can pull off a trio, I think its these three, they compliment each other very nicely.

What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.

by winchester5 on Jan 4, 2011 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

And yes, Darling is way better than most national guys.

He is one of the best in the game IMO.

What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.

by winchester5 on Jan 4, 2011 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

"Your beard is weird!"

“That stache is trash.”

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by notsellingjeans on Jan 4, 2011 8:36 AM PST up reply actions  

"My glorious lip jacket"

hahah

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SCOTT BROSIUS!!

by stranahanahan on Jan 4, 2011 9:21 AM PST up reply actions  

His book Pure Baseball was really cool though...

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by Elvez on Jan 4, 2011 10:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Good stuff, NSJ, lot of things to think about

I have it on my list to write the an for my European editor on the differences between the 4 NorAm sports’ CBA and how European Soccer goes about business. This here might be a good trigger to start.

Any good soul around here who might guide me with the basics? The main commonalities and differences between NHL, NBA, NFL and MLB, when it comes to draft, salaries, trades, revenue sharing and such? I’ll do my homework, you know I always do, but getting started with the help of the people who know much more about it would be nice.

by elcroata on Jan 4, 2011 1:06 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

This sounds good to me. Rec'd

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by WaddellCanseco on Jan 4, 2011 5:11 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm excited to see you tackle that if you get a chance.

Here’s a great blog post over at Tango’s site. His hockey knowledge is incredible. That post, and the comments, have some good comparisons with baseball/hockey. I learned some hockey financial/CBA stuff I didn’t know.

It also sounds like Marine Layer/Vertig0’s upcoming piece he hopes to tackle in a few weeks would assist you as well.

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by notsellingjeans on Jan 4, 2011 4:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Expanded playoffs

I have no particular desire to see playoffs expanded, but I just want to note that a lot more possibilities exist than are often acknowledged. The discussions above all seem to assume that the number of playoff teams must be a power of 2, or else if it’s not then there needs to be bye rounds while wild-card matchups are played for the spot in a regular power-of-2 tree.

But there are plenty of other ways to do it. Just as an example, suppose you want to have six playoff teams out of a league. Give them a seeding order A, B, C, D, E, F. First round of playoffs can have simultaneous series between A-F, B-D, C-E. Second round of playoffs can have simultaneous series between A-E, B-F, C-D. At the end of two rounds, each team is either 2-0, 1-1, or 0-2. Two best records go on, with tiebreaker being either initial seeding or some rule about how their opponents fared.

That’s just an example of a possible framework. Lots of options for tweaking it in order to maximize considerations of scheduling, TV audience, travel, avoiding teams playing in a lame-duck situation, etc. The point is, the usual single-elimination playoff+wildcard scheme is not the only option. There are lots of ways to make playoffs work if you’re willing to be a little creative.

Even five teams in the playoffs could be made to work. You could do a round-robinish thing where each team plays each, or maybe most of each but not necessarily all. The fact that you’re scoring over the mini-tournament would make it easier to let go of other limiting conventions. Like it would not be necessary to have each series be at least five games since it isn’t single elimination, and you wouldn’t need each pair to have both home and away games.

So suppose you have five teams: A, B, C, D, E. Figure each team will play a three-game series against each of the others. That’s ten pairings for a total of 30 games, with each team playing 12 games. Winner is best W-L record over the tournament, with first tie-breaker being tied teams head to head. Each three-game series is in just one location, for better travel schedule. Series are scheduled to overlap so that the entire tournament is ongoing, so each team will have a semi-bye when the other pairs are playing, but series could be staggered to minimize the off days just like in regular season. If you want to give an advantage to the higher seeds, you could arrange it so A and B each get 3 home series and 1 away series, while D and E get 1 home series and 3 away series.

Again, my point is there are lots of possibilities. You shouldn’t assume that a given number of playoff teams is unworkable.

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by iglew on Jan 4, 2011 2:12 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

im all about thinking outside the box, it just seems like the more outside the box you go the less likely it will happen

getting apporved by all party’s would be harder.

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by OmahaHi on Jan 5, 2011 6:03 PM PST up reply actions  

A fanpost topic on ballparks and evolution:

Do you guys think that the current wave of ballparks built in the last 10-20 years will become outdated at the same rate as the previous generation of parks?

My theory is that the new ones will withstand the test of time much better. If multi-use stadiums proved to have a shelf life of ~30-40 years, I think that this new wave of baseball-only ballparks could last 60 years. Could be a good discussion topic – what is the next wave of stadium evolution that will make the current iteration of ballparks outdated? And how far away is that innovation? What will the in-ballpark experience look like in 30-40 years? (Part of what fascinates me about an A’s new stadium is, they pretty much get to provide a peak at this future, in the way that Camden Yards set a precedent for the next 20 years).

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by notsellingjeans on Jan 4, 2011 4:12 PM PST reply actions  

I doubt it

New ballparks are economically inefficient boondoggles that typically get built for the sole purpose of transfering tax dollars into the pockets of baseball ownership. They would be money-losers but for the public subsidy.

Since political corruption is, if anything, on a rapid increase in this country, I’d expect plenty of owners to start publicly wailing about how their stadiums “can’t compete” within the next ten years.

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by PaulThomas on Jan 4, 2011 5:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Meh

There seems to be little stomach for people voting to pay for stuff that’s actually useful. I assume this is only going to continue.

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by cuppingmaster on Jan 5, 2011 7:23 AM PST up reply actions  

It depends on who pays the bill.

The era of the Forbes Fields and Crosley Fields and Shibe Parks lasted 1910-ish to 1970-ish… 60 years. Some, like Tiger Stadium, even longer. A few, i.e. Wrigley & Fenway, are still working. But back to the first group, they didn’t last so much because they were great feats of engineering and structural integrity, but rather because they were privately financed and it was necessary to squeeze every single dime of profit out of them. They weren’t replaced until a sucker could be found to finance them.

The recent round of stadiums, i.e. 1960s onward, have a shorter shelf life, 30-40 years give or take, but even then only if somebody else is willing to pay for it. Private financing today is still the exception, not the rule.

I think the shelf life of a stadium has more to do with who pays for the replacement and less to do with the stadium itself.

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by UncleLeo on Jan 4, 2011 8:17 PM PST up reply actions  

What I'd want in a new stadium

I want my new stadium to be a pioneer of something interesting. If it’s in Silicon Valley, the natural idea to pioneer would be to make it a technological marvel. I don’t know exactly what you do but go to the technological powerhouses in the South Bay and ask them for the most original ideas they can think of, maybe even let them design some stuff and install it in the new ballpark.

Camden Yards was thought to inspire many of the new stadiums. The Giants ballpark is one of the best of those stadiums that looks retro but has new-age amusements. It’s perhaps the best that Camden inspired. And the SF location is fantastic. The A’s need to diverge from that path to have a super successful stadium. Their ballpark won’t be able to compete with SF otherwise. They need to forge a new path.

If they can build the next Camden, the A’s could inspire the next set of new stadiums, even if they won’t be built in the next 20 years. Of course, if the A’s do build a technologically-inspired park, it will be difficult to keep up with the newest innovations, and could become expensive to renovate as technology improves, which makes my dream go farther into fantasy and away from reality.

And the one other innovation that I foresee seems at odds with my technology vision: a green ballpark. A minimal waste ballpark could be very difficult to merge with a technological one.

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by vignette17 on Jan 4, 2011 9:26 PM PST up reply actions  

The Pavano FanPost

I really hope someone will take that one on. Now that Beltre is off the table, and the Nationals have spent their remaining money on LaRoche, I think it’s worth considering. Especially since the reliever-market prices have been the most insane thing of all.

The Twins are incentivized to let him walk because of the two high picks they get. The A’s might be able to swoop in on a diminished market for a 200-inning, 4.00 FIP guy.

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by notsellingjeans on Jan 4, 2011 4:26 PM PST reply actions  

I'm intrigued

We’ve got all that money to throw around and we were going to throw some at Iwakuma, right? Is Pavano a better bet?

by mk on Jan 4, 2011 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe. But has anyone noticed that I just continue to rationalize signing the best available guy?

First it was Crawford, then Beltre, now Pavano…by February I’ll be clamoring for the Casey Kotchman non-roster ST invite as THE DECISIVE MOVE IN THE AL WEST RACE.

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by notsellingjeans on Jan 4, 2011 5:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I think that's your lot as an A's fan

At some point the best available guy will be someone who wants to sign for the terms we’re offering, right? Right? (begins weeping)

But I mean, if we had money to make a run at Beltre, we’ve got money somewhere. I’m not saying that foolish spending is good spending, but it’s certainly worth taking a flier if you’ve got some cash lying around. I mean, since it’s not mine and all.

by mk on Jan 4, 2011 5:51 PM PST up reply actions  

At some point, the best available guy will be Emil Brown

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Jan 4, 2011 11:01 PM PST up reply actions  

why not Blanton?

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by cuppingmaster on Jan 5, 2011 7:25 AM PST up reply actions  

I think Blanton will end up costing talent.

I do not think he will be a salary dump, given the exploding market.

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by notsellingjeans on Jan 5, 2011 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Fortunately we have very little "talent" that I'd miss particularly

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by WaddellCanseco on Jan 5, 2011 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Wasn't almost the same thing said

about Josh Willingham after Crawford/Werth was signed?

by Blicks on Jan 5, 2011 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't know, but doesn't that prove my point?

Willingham wasn’t dumped. The A’s had to give up two future major leaguers for him.

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