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Bud Gets a Letter: SVLG Brings Out The Heavy Hitters
by Boonee on Sep 9, 2010 1:29 PM PDT
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PrintThe powerhouse that is the SVLG sent out a pretty straightforward and powerful letter to commissioner Selig yesterday that detailed their support of a potential San Jose ballpark for the Oakland Athletics franchise.
And they're not dickin' around.
The Silicon Valley Leadership Group (otherwise known as the SVLG) is a group of high-power individuals (mostly CEOs) based in Silicon Valley/San Jose that was founded over 30 years ago "on the premise that local employers should be actively involved in working with government to find innovative solutions to issues like transportation, housing, permit streamlining, education, and the environment."(Source)
As the letter itself states:
By way of background, the Silicon Valley Leadership Group was founded in 1977 by David Packard and has grown to become the largest organization of its kind in Silicon Valley with more than 300 member companies. Combined member companies employ more than 250,000 local workers – nearly one of every three jobs – and generate more than $2 trillion worth in global revenue.
Good luck topping that one, Mr. Boxer. Ouch. Oh wait. What's that?
Doug Boxer, head of the civic group Let's Go Oakland, which is aimed at keeping the team in town, said the letter "has no impact on Oakland's efforts, and our civic and corporate community remains committed to keeping the A's in Oakland in a new, baseball-only park."
No impact? Really? You have the CEOs of Cisco, eBay, Yahoo, Sunpower, Adobe, and 70 other companies guaranteeing support for a possible San Jose Athletics franchise and it has no impact on your efforts?
We, the undersigned CEOs and senior executives, are committed to bringing jobs, revenue, a rich culture, and a thriving business climate to Silicon Valley. We believe that an intimate state of the art ballpark located on a prime downtown San Jose parcel, close to mass transit and major highways will be a catalyst for economic development in our region. We also believe downtown San Jose offers a compelling location for the advancement of Major League Baseball in the 21st Century. Silicon Valley is well known throughout the world as the cradle of innovation and the leading incubator of new ideas and new possibilities for human kind. There is no better location than San Jose, located in the heart of Silicon Valley, to advance the Major League Baseball brand on a global basis.
Once again: ouch.
The Silicon Valley Leadership Group is comprised of both devoted A’s and Giants fans and we will continue to enthusiastically support both teams. We strongly believe that both teams will thrive in a vibrant two team market anchored by San Francisco and the Bay Area’s largest city, San Jose. Today, the Bay Area is the only two team market in Major League Baseball where the teams don’t fully share their common geographic territory. The divided territory was imposed at the request of San Jose baseball boosters in 1992 in a previous attempt to secure a Major League Baseball team.
San Jose (through way of the SVLG) isn't just taking batting practice anymore everyone: they're taking full on hacks and doing their best to send the ball about 36.8 miles past the right field fence.
And because I only posted snippets of the letter, make sure to read it in it's entirety here (if you didn't already get there through the previous two links).
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This is all well and good, but none of it means anything if the Giants refuse to cooperate!
I would really like for the A’s to stay in Oakland, but I am more just in favor of the A’s getting a new stadium somewhere in the Bay Area. It is really getting frustarting for everyone involved that MLB has just remained publicly silent about everything. Keeping the A’s and the fans in limbo is so disrespectful.
I often wonder if maybe the relationship between Lew and Bud has soured just a little bit. Selig showed up and spoke at the event where Lew presented Cisco Field in Fremont. Selig may now feel that maybe that whole press conference was a bit of putting the cart before the horse. Obviously I have no idea what was told to Selig about that meeting or press conference but I would assume that now he feels a little foolish for attending an event that ended up all being for naught.
There is no A in OFFENSE!!
This is all well and good, but none of it means anything if the Giants refuse to cooperate!
Can’t Selig essentially force their hand with a large monetary settlement to give up the rights?
AN: Where you will be an A's fan or Dallas Braden will show you the repercussions of your actions.
by stranahanahan on Sep 9, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
uh, yes. The Giants are simply posturing for more money. Angelos pulled this same crap when the Nats moved back to DC. Postured and received something like $450 million. The Giants will not stop this move. Bud could always use his ‘for the good of the game’ trump card if the Giants weren’t willing to accept a reasonable ‘buy out.’
Mr. Peanut (Bill Neukom) will get what he wants. More money.
by TheOfficialSunshinePumper on Sep 9, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
That's all of this is and ever was about
Money!
"By the end of the year, I'll have Dallas throwing right-handed'' -Ben Sheets
yes
unless the Giants want to bring down the entire MLB business model by suing and killing MLBs anti-trust exemption.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
Do it! Duke Neukom!
Kill ‘em ’all and let Charley Finley’s ghost sort ’em out!
Bob Geren was born in a suburban apartment complex he built with his own two hands.
by QueenOfCansAndJars on Sep 9, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
And then the Anti-Trust Exemption, the very thing keeping the A's from moving to San Jose,
will not exist and then the A’s can…..drumroll…. move to San Jose!
Woooo! Go Idiocy!
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
Wouldn't have to pay the Pirates Marlins, royals, and A's anymore
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
They'd lose on so many levels by taking this option, I doubt they gain much from it.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
Read
this and go bonkers with Duke!
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 9, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
A friend told me that the other day!
Kind of funny how long it took. I still remember wasting time with Duke Nukem 3D when I was younger.
"You're just jealous. You wish you had a rally animal..." -CardinalWraith
I did hear that, yeah.
I might even buy it when it’s cheap and available used. One of the last games I played before I stopped having much interest in games (other than Diablo II, of course) was Manhattan Project.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 9, 2010 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Diablo II!
My gawd….my internet crack for a couple of years, before WoW took over…..shudder!
P.S. Can;t wait until D3 comes out! :X
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 9, 2010 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Never got into WoW.
I didn’t like the idea of the Warcraft storyline being played out on such an individualized level. Warcraft is an epic story to me.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 9, 2010 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions
You really need to experience it
as the role playing is inline with the whole story line.
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 9, 2010 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I get that, I just don't like the direction the storyline took.
I’ve followed it on and off, occasionally checking in on various fansites to see what’s going on in what used to be one of my favorite fictional worlds, but I just don’t really care for it. It seems to have become much more straight-ahead average Robert-Jordan-y fantasy fiction.
Warcraft III gave Azeroth a genuinely good, intriguing storyline. WoW had to serialize the story and produce new content on a regular basis, which is almost guaranteed to make the story a lot more bland, at least in my view. It’s probably by necessity, but it is what it is.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 9, 2010 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Eh, the Warcraft storyline was good, admittedly.
But honestly, the best of the Blizzard games plot-wise is hands down Starcraft. I’ve enjoyed watching where they’ve taken it with SC:2.
"But at this time of year, two plus two doesn't always add up to eight. Sometimes, it equals four." - Geoff Baker, Mariners beat writer.
At least I've got chicken
Nobody expects some kind of obscure Monty Python allusion.
by EddieVegas_NRAF on Sep 10, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Nah, if he's got Mikie, he's in his kitchen.
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Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
I think that it would have to be approved by all of the other owners, but I am not sure..
There is no A in OFFENSE!!
Yeah, it would have to be approved by the other teams.
But the chances of a quarter or so more of them turning down the chance to make more money is pretty crazy. And plus, Selig is known for waiting to do the vote until he pretty much knows what the outcome will be.
"You're just jealous. You wish you had a rally animal..." -CardinalWraith
Read my old post called
Greener Grass episode 9: how it could work in San Jose. The whole process is called out
by jeffro on Sep 9, 2010 2:53 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
If the Giants don't "cooperate" then their image will take a huge, huge hit.
Look at the people backing this move. Look at the big names of the companies they head. And then read and understand that they have now publicly stated that even if the Oakland A’s become the San Jose A’s, they will continue to support the San Francisco Giants.
We’ll see where it goes and how the Giants respond (because until then, it’s all pure speculation), but this letter sure as hell makes the coming months a lot more exciting.
I’m up for a ballpark anywhere in the Bay, but San Jose sure is pushing hard and making a name for itself.
"You're just jealous. You wish you had a rally animal..." -CardinalWraith
huh?
Then read and understand that they have now publicly stated that even if the Oakland A’s become the San Jose A’s, they will continue to support the San Francisco Giants.
Um if all the corporations are going to keep supporting the Giants whats the point of moving south?
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Sep 9, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Because they'll support the A's, as well?
I didn’t really phrase it very well there and I apologize for that, but the letter states that the corporations with support both teams if the A’s move south.
"You're just jealous. You wish you had a rally animal..." -CardinalWraith
That is actually not what it says....This is what is says:
The Silicon Valley Leadership Group is comprised of both devoted A’s and Giants fans and we will continue to enthusiastically support both teams.
There is no A in OFFENSE!!
Which seems to me like an untrue statement...
This would imply that they are currently supporting the A’s, which as we all know does not appear to be the case. If they were all gung ho in currently supporting the A’s and the A’s were getting tons of corporate dollars then I dont think that any of this would even be an issue right now.
There is no A in OFFENSE!!
I was going to say what ST said.
So uh, what he said, I guess.
"You're just jealous. You wish you had a rally animal..." -CardinalWraith
That sounds
like I am on the bad end of a joke! TWSS… :X
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 9, 2010 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
They're devoted A's fans...
who will stop being A’s fans if they don’t get their way, I think is the accurate reading.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 9, 2010 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Cisco alone is enough reason
which is roughly 268X the amount they would contribute to the A’s coffers for a Cisco Field vs. Clorox Stadium.
And if you read in more intimately into the message, the phrasing is specifically worded to address the Gnats #1 concern: taking away their corporate sponsors.
With many companies near the northern end of Silicon Valley spectrum, it only makes sense that some may prefer closer localities to SF as opposed to SJ as most suites are bought for marketing/sales/employee perks. But, I’m sure the majority would readily like to slap their name inside Cisco Field akin to what has transpired at HP Pavilion and the Sharks. I know my company would do the same and renew our suite at an A’s game in SJ. How would I know? Well my CEO has his name on the front page of that press release and discussed it this morning as well. ;)
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 9, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
The whole point of moving is to take away from the corporate base of the Giants.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Sep 9, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
NOt to take away, but to get.
Its not a competition
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
If there are X corporate dollars in the Bay Area why isn't it a competition.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Sep 9, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Because
you assume that all corporations are going to the Gnats or the A’s. That is incorrect. Some are on the bubble, like my company, who does not see the benefits putting money into the A’s present decrepit facility, but are not generally interested in the Giants. Others care for just locality so that their customers, employees, execs get local perks. This also applies to those who do not care at all on the Giants or the A’s, only that there is a major media outlet for a SJ aka South Bay demographic for their marketing.
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 9, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Well
Some are on the bubble, like my company, who does not see the benefits putting money into the A’s present decrepit facility, but are not generally interested in the Giants.
Your company sounds like it could as easily be persuaded to throw down some money on an Oakland facility, yes?
Others care for just locality so that their customers, employees, execs get local perks.
Which, one would think, would apply to the entire Bay Area, right?
This also applies to those who do not care at all on the Giants or the A’s, only that there is a major media outlet for a SJ aka South Bay demographic for their marketing.
South Bay companies only want to market to South Bay customers?
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 9, 2010 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Is it decrepit though?
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
by OldhamA on Sep 10, 2010 10:31 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes. Visit the Kid's area, for example.
by LoneStranger on Sep 10, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Or try visiting "The Field" bar
It’s a dirty, crumbling, depressing dive.
by athletics68 on Sep 10, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Pretty much.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Because that is not how companies advertise.
If the SJ A’s are going to get the amount and type of patron that the company wants to be visible in front of, they will advertise/buy suites in the new stadium. Similarly, if they think people will buy their service if they exposes themselves at Pac Bell, the corps will use that.
SUre there are budgetary constraints, but that is part of the calculus.
As ST points out above, the corporations are not willing to do that at the current facility.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
Because no one goes to the games. Build a new park, people are going to want to advertise.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Sep 9, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
right
But it won’t take away from the Giants. Unless people stop going to pac bell.
The letter is letting MLB know they prefer SJ and they will still support the Giants
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
So basically it is just crap...they are saying what they think MLB and the Giants want to hear not what will actually happen once they get approval for SJ..
I understand that this is very political and this is how politics work, but say it for what it is.
There is no A in OFFENSE!!
RIght
Its probably more, we will enthusiastically embrace the A’s in the south bay while still supporting the Giants.
The silence about Oakland says to me that if it is VC or JLS they will only follow the people (read:money) but will not take an active role in producing the stadium.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
Pretty much.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
by OldhamA on Sep 10, 2010 10:32 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Whats the point of getting a team in your back yard if youre still going to spend all your money on the team thats an hour plus away
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Sep 9, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Who's to say..
they won’t spend on both teams?
I rather have more sponsorships with deep pockets committed now, then little support with 500k escrows waiting for something to happen, instead of doing something immediately..
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 9, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Well theyre saying it.
There is only so much sponsorship money out there. If they continue to support the Giants that will uses that sponsorship money.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Sep 9, 2010 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Again...
you’re basing the money as #1 a finite amount that would be only allocated to one team or the other based on present contracts.
you’re missing the point that #1: there’s still a lot of marketing dollars that could be reallocated #2: dual sponsorship is possible #3: new local contracts could arise (which could be very significant given the locality and affluent area of Silicon Valley)
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 9, 2010 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
You buy the advertising where the people are
and the suites/seats where your employees and customers can get to them.
A new stadium in Oakland, sure, SJ companies may advertise but they won’t buy the suites.
Why do you assume there is not enough sponsorship money?
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
Im arguing that the type of companies that have suites are at the phone booth
for the most part. Furthermore the companies that were talking about aren’t really regional south bay only companies. Computer companies aren’t parochial. If you increase attendance you increase attendance thats all that matters.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Sep 9, 2010 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I have no idea what you are saying here
Why are you asserting that there is a zero sum game with sponsorship?
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
Because there is no regional business in SJ that does not exist in the rest of the bay and wouldn't have to leave the phoneboth
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Sep 9, 2010 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions
there is such a thing called
corporate campus which constitutes a majority of the company. Again, locality plays a critical role when you’re trying to schmooze or target a specific audience whether it is a customer, client, or employee.
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 9, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
again this confuses me
Businesses already have invested in the Giants. They will continue to because visiting business people will want to go to the city.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
Why wouldn't they stick ads somewhere in the stadium?
It’s not like businesses are static in their advertising choices, especially if a new option opens up.
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Sep 9, 2010 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions
im saying that stadium advertising is going to happen regardless of site
because guess what its 35k people a night.
Suites will get taken out of the giants corporate clients. If they aren’t because they as the letter says are continuing to support the Giants, there will be little Corporate money left over.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Sep 9, 2010 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, I think we are going to disagree on that
Unfortunately the answer will only be known after a stadium is built.
I will say, though, the same problem will happen if the A’s build a new stadium in oakland.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
are you saying
because coke is in atlanta, they don’t need to advertise in san francisco?
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
im saying the exact opposite
because coke is everywhere they don’t need to advertise in atlanta.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Sep 9, 2010 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Yet they do advertise in Atlanta
as will every sane business. they will advertise where customers are.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
this is exactly my point
they will advertise where customers are.
Put 35k people in death valley for a game and there will be advertisers.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Sep 10, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
But how would this translate to there being less money to advertise
in LA (to go with your example)?
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Sep 10, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
im not understanding your question
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Sep 10, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
You were saying how companies would advertise less
with an established client when a new one shows up. I’m not sure why you think this.
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Sep 10, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Why wouldn't they then advertise in SF as well Death Valley?
If the people are in both locations, why would they only suddenly advertise in DV? Not sure what your argument is at this point.
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Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
I don't think it's an either/or thing.
If there are people, companies with advertise.
by LoneStranger on Sep 10, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Right
But DFA’s point seems to be suggesting otherwise. Either that or his point has become too convoluted to follow or shifted.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
Yea, if the company is national or at least in the Bay Area, they would probably do both.
We also have to remember that suites/season tickets are a separate thing. There’s a chance that some companies will stop or reduce their support for SF in that regard if they have a closer stadium.
by LoneStranger on Sep 10, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
My point is that the advertising isn't local and will be there regardless of where the stadium is
because there are going to be people at the stadium no matter where it is.
The more advertising argument isn’t an issue in Oakland or SJ because there isn’t a business in SJ that would be able to afford advertising that either A doesn’t have an Oakland branch or B isn’t tied to locality (ex Cisco products)
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Sep 10, 2010 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll tell you why.
There are no eyes in there to look at the advertising.
by LoneStranger on Sep 10, 2010 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
this
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Sep 10, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Excuse my
Chinglish, but what the hell does this mean?
“Im arguing that the type of companies that have suites are at the phone booth”
Companies that have suites typically have them as marketing or employee perks for clients, execs, and their family. And what companies are you talking about that isn’t part of the Valley, since SVGL is intended to represent Valley companies?
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 9, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Try looking at it from this way (all numbers completely made up)
Currently:
A’s – 5%
Giants – 35%
Other – 25%
No sponsorship, willing to promote local only – 35%
Isn’t conceivable that following could occur (not saying it would, just could):
A’s in SJ:
A’s 40%
Giants – 35%
Other 25%
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
Local only?
willing to promote local only
As in, only in San Jose will they spend money on promotion? Meanwhile, I’m expected to be happy with the move to San Jose because “it’s all in the Bay Area”?
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 9, 2010 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Oakland supporters aren't the ones saying that no one should care where the team ends up because the Bay Area's all basically the same thing.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 9, 2010 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions
You don't get it
You are making something that is a legit point into something that isn’t.
Bake Sale Betty’s… where do they spend their marketing budget?
Poor House Bistro?
These are businesses that promote locally because they can and should.
Oakland A’s. Not so much.
You're trying to combine two separate issues here that have no correlation.
The A’s can and should market to everyone in the bay area. They are a representative of the area as a whole, SF included, regardless of where they land. If they’re not doing so (and to a degree they’re not) then they’re failing themselves and their business. Go ahead and play conspiracy theorist there if you want to.
But THAT has nothing to do with any business within any given region willing to work with the A’s to promote themselves. You shouldn’t give a shit about Company A if they’re exclusively based on SJ. No one’s asking you to. However, Company A may only be willing to promote with the A’s if the team is within the SJ area. If Company A is exclusive to SJ, why would they bother with the A’s now while they’re in Oakland (or you them). But that’s money available for the team that isn’t already going someone where in regard to MLB, which is the entire point of my exercise above. DFA suggested that any money they received would be directly taken from the Giants. I was simply showing a scenario (and I was very clear that I’m not using real numbers nor actual circumstances) in which money could be gained by one team without taking from the other. How you perverted this into some anti-Oakland slap in the face is anyone’s guess.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
Meh
Pac Bell will still be a popular draw for clients coming into SF. I can see how it would still be worthwhile. Now that’s not to say SF won’t lose quite a bit of the SJ sponsorship, but not all of it.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
I agree with this DFA...No matter where the NEW stadium is built the A's will have an influx of corporate money because of the stadium and more fans in attendance...This is true no matter what city the stadium is built in!
There is no A in OFFENSE!!
There is no reason to disagree
more people in stands means more eyeballs equals more advertising.
his earlier point is wrong, though.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
BTW...I'm not trying to argue with you here..I'm just trying to weed through what they wrote in the letter and then decide what it really means..
There is no A in OFFENSE!!
I think you hit the nail on the head with your comment above.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
But would you
rather have Cisco on board or Clorox?
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 9, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
At least with Clorox, you can guarantee that our home whites would be sparkling white!
There is no A in OFFENSE!!
Whitie Tightie Day!
Woohoo! No skid marks for joo!
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 9, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Free detergent giveaway day!
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 9, 2010 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions
It isn't just about when a stadium opens
Review the financing model for AT&T Park… They need companies to buy suites and commit to long term packages before the stadium is built in order to cover the construction costs.
San Jose has a huge advantage in this regard. 48% of PacBell was paid for by corporate advanced sales and naming rights. A new A’s stadium will require (assuming the same financing model) $230M. Cisco is covering $130M of that in San Jose, but not in Oakland. SVLG can raise the rest.
Oakland’s lack of a committed corporate base is a bigger issue here than after.
Read the SVLG letter carefully. They call out, not explicitly but implicitly, they won’t do the same in Oakland.
by jeffro on Sep 9, 2010 4:01 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
See:
Pacbell Cingular ATT&T Park.
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 9, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow the A's significant attendance drop seems to corrulate with Lew Wolfe purchasing the team, and doing virtually nothing in the way of marketing...
Unless you count telling people that we have a terrible stadium and you shouldn’t come to our games as marketing!
There is no A in OFFENSE!!
03-04 was a decline. 04-05 was a decline. Wolff bought the team in 05.
Wolff spent $80M on the team in 07. Attendance declined.
Pam liked my old sig better.
by mikev on Sep 9, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah but they are all small drops, then a huge drop off in 07 08 and 09...
There is no A in OFFENSE!!
Which correlates to a lot more than just Wolff buying the team 2 years earlier.
Pam liked my old sig better.
there was this thing
called a recession….
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 9, 2010 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
there was this thing
called a lousy baseball team….
Peter Gammons ran over his puppy. But that wasn’t the worst part. He then proceeded to back over it too. Then rolled forward again (#3), rolled down the window and said, "What are you going to do about it, kid? I’m Peter F**king Gammons, b**ch." Then drove away. -d to the moas
by Leopold Bloom on Sep 9, 2010 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
after 06?
i guess everyone thought the a’s were crap after going to the alcs… :(
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 9, 2010 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
'06 to '07 wasn't too bad a drop
’07 beyond, yikes.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
I think usually there is a bounce after a good season
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
Usually
But then half way through the season we went into rebuild mode dumping our pitching and it became pretty apparent we weren’t going to match it. So I suppose the number could have been upward trending until then before falling off a cliff {slide whistle!}
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
it was more than just our pitching, right?
Didn’t we trade Swish then, too?
Peter Gammons ran over his puppy. But that wasn’t the worst part. He then proceeded to back over it too. Then rolled forward again (#3), rolled down the window and said, "What are you going to do about it, kid? I’m Peter F**king Gammons, b**ch." Then drove away. -d to the moas
by Leopold Bloom on Sep 9, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
After that season.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
Right, so all of the sudden in 2007 every A's fan all of the sudden had the bulb go off and they all decided that our stadium was crap..
There is no A in OFFENSE!!
everyone's eyes were finally opened
to the rest of the baseball experience when the team on the field sucked so bad…
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 9, 2010 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
how many non diehard fans have been to any other stadium besides the phoneboth?
This is a ridiculous argument.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Sep 9, 2010 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm trying to understand your
arguments. are you saying that a majority of folks are die-hard fans hence won’t care about the venue, as i think it is the reverse. More casual fans that just want to have a good time outside as a recreational outlet.
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 9, 2010 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Im saying that fans didn't just realize in 2007 the Coli was decrepit
and if they did it was because Wolf said so
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Sep 9, 2010 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions
It probably became more evident when there was nothing to watch on the field
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Sep 10, 2010 12:50 AM PDT up reply actions
that's just wrong
It is not a place that casual fans like. Casual fans have known this since PacBell opened.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
Um thats exactly my point
PacBell opened 10 years ago not in 07 people knew that the stadium was bad for 7 years so blaming the post 07 attendance collapse on the stadium is ridiculous.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Sep 10, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
PacBell vs The Coliseum vs Candlestick.
PacBell is a place that will attract more casual fans, and even total non-fans, simply because it is viewed as a cool place that is exciting. Go to games with other friends. For the entertainment value. It has great location. It’s a “place to be and be seen”. That kind of stuff. Probably won’t last forever, but for the most part it has remained so in spite of the team’s fortunes on the field.
The Coliseum does not have that attractiveness. The Coliseum, while not “bad”, has nothing else other than baseball to draw people in, and the A’s attendance fortunes and mis-fortunes have risen and fallen pretty much along with their W-L record and how exciting the team is.
The Giants’ attendence figures at Candlestick were pretty much the same way, if not worse (as that place was a rat hole). Anybody who thinks the Giants have that many more fans than they had at Candlestick is fooling themselves.
I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen.
~Bob Lemon, 1981
I agree
The Coliseum does not have that attractiveness. The Coliseum, while not "bad", has nothing else other than baseball to draw people in, and the A’s attendance fortunes and mis-fortunes have risen and fallen pretty much along with their W-L record and how exciting the team is.
My only point is that that didn’t start in 07
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Sep 10, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
It started in 1996
The graph above is horribly misleading, it starts at at time when the A’s had very good teams and ends at a time when we all knew they were going to suck again. Below is the year/ w-l/attendance:
It isn’t rocket science. When the team is bad, the attendance is abysmal. When the team is good, it is close to league average (since the remodel).
Well to be fair the team was horrifically bad in 1996
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Sep 10, 2010 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't believe in average attendance either
who cares about average. What matters is if the team makes money. Right now its making money. Why ownership cares beyond that is dumb IMO
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Sep 10, 2010 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Cause it could make more money?
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
we've gone over this before
and you’ve already said you’re an extremist…
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Sep 10, 2010 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I have gone to coliseum with plenty
You are a smart guy, why do you presume to know things that you don’t?
I think at this point, they've all been to Phone Booth.
A lot. And they haven’t come back.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 9, 2010 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions
they had all been before 2007 too.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Sep 9, 2010 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions
The most fun I've had at baseball games...
was in LA. Dodgers game was great, and I caught an A’s win in LA while getting boo’d by the entire section.
casual fans are the bread and butter of
a successful basewball team
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
right and im saying casual fans don't go on a lot of stadium trips.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Sep 9, 2010 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Only the slope declined after 2007
When it was clear the A’s were a crappy team. The ALCS/playoff bump that other teams have enjoyed simply did not occur in Oakland.
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Sep 9, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
eh, slope of the decline increased
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Sep 9, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
One thing to consider... the entire attendance history since the remodel
Not just starting at the best teams the A’s had had in a decade and then on. Since the remodel, the attendance we see now is not out of line with the performance on the field. The reason for the drastic dip in ’07? Mostly because the team went form 8 years of contending to waving a white flag and rebuilding.
So if there was no recession then the A's attendance would still be hovering around 2.1 or 2.2 million today?
There is no A in OFFENSE!!
you asked why
there was a precipitous drop in 07-09….while ignoring all the facts before you that attendance was dropping before Lew’s ownership…
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 9, 2010 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Probably Not
The A’s have never really drawn well, 7 out of 43 seasons above league median. The 7 years were about on the field performance, though that didn’t even help in the early part of this decade.
Correlation doesn't mean causation.
The amount of TVs in the world seem to inversely correlate with the decline of powdered wigs.
everyone I have known that has died
ate carrots
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
by Future Ed on Sep 9, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
much better. Thank you.
Peter Gammons ran over his puppy. But that wasn’t the worst part. He then proceeded to back over it too. Then rolled forward again (#3), rolled down the window and said, "What are you going to do about it, kid? I’m Peter F**king Gammons, b**ch." Then drove away. -d to the moas
by Leopold Bloom on Sep 9, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
danbot, come up with a better example.
People were not wearing powdered wigs into the 40s and 50s.
Peter Gammons ran over his puppy. But that wasn’t the worst part. He then proceeded to back over it too. Then rolled forward again (#3), rolled down the window and said, "What are you going to do about it, kid? I’m Peter F**king Gammons, b**ch." Then drove away. -d to the moas
by Leopold Bloom on Sep 9, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
that is so..
1800’s…
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 9, 2010 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
merkin?
Peter Gammons ran over his puppy. But that wasn’t the worst part. He then proceeded to back over it too. Then rolled forward again (#3), rolled down the window and said, "What are you going to do about it, kid? I’m Peter F**king Gammons, b**ch." Then drove away. -d to the moas
by Leopold Bloom on Sep 9, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
swing
and a miss…y’ouch.
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 9, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, that's right. How insensitive of me...sorry.
Peter Gammons ran over his puppy. But that wasn’t the worst part. He then proceeded to back over it too. Then rolled forward again (#3), rolled down the window and said, "What are you going to do about it, kid? I’m Peter F**king Gammons, b**ch." Then drove away. -d to the moas
by Leopold Bloom on Sep 9, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Seems like the 3 million mark is a benchmark for a successful season
and the A’s are drawing less than half of that now. The signs are pointing to continued failure unless something dramatic is done to reverse those numbers. Even when the team was in contention, the attendance was below average.
Winners always have high expectations...losers whine about schedules (or blame Dorrell).
That is completely arbitrary
The real way to judge attendance, the right way, is against MLB median.
Whose curveball is that?
100% Athletics, 100% Baseball. 2009 Athletics, 40% Baseball.
Incorrect
The whole point of moving to a better venue is to get a additional revenue in added corporate sponsorship and luxury suites. This isn’t a zero-sum marketing game. There are significant amount of Fortune 500 corporations in Silicon Valley who haven’t committed to either teams. Going to SJ would tip the scales to the A’s favor significantly and in some instances I can even see dual sponsorship (Comcast for instance).
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 9, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
And if there was a baseball team WITHIN Silicon Valley?
The sponsorship opportunities are endless. And it’s not just people that love shiny, new things: businesses do, too.
"You're just jealous. You wish you had a rally animal..." -CardinalWraith
Doesn't Comcast already sponsor both teams?
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 9, 2010 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I admit, going to a game at "Clorox Stadium" would be weird.
Maybe they could get Arm & Hammer to spring for naming rights. Who doesn’t want to see their team play home games at the ol’ Arm & Hammer?
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 9, 2010 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions
And at the concession stands they could sell
bacon soda.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
unless the giants go for the nuclear option and try to get the anti-trust exemption overturned. Doubt they would EVER dare go that route.
by TheOfficialSunshinePumper on Sep 9, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
And if they get the AE overturned
SJ would automatically get the A’s, as the AE is the one stipulating geographic ownership.
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 9, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh yeah, definitely.
I just don’t think anybody really wants it to have to come to that. Of course it might, but I think the Giants and Neukom are smart enough to not let it happen.
I think.
"You're just jealous. You wish you had a rally animal..." -CardinalWraith
I think this is going to help Selig make the Giants cooperate
The Giants whole argument stems on their belief they’d lose support if the A’s move to San Jose. This letter addresses that directly and states that these heavy hitters (the bulk of Silicon Valley’s money base) would continue to support both teams if the A’s move to SJ. It severely undercuts the Giants BS position.
Who knows what MLB is going to do here...
but at the very least San Jose is going through all of their due diligence and lining up some major support for moving forward with the project if the matter is settled and T-rights are awarded to the A’s or Santa Clara is ruled shared-territory. With all of this politico maneuvering (possible election) and pledges of legit corporate support, at least it seems like the project will move forward pretty directly once the matter is settled.
Over on the newballpark blog, comments were made that one of the most intriguing aspects of the letter was that the signatories of this letter are more or less indicating that they would support both the A’s and Giants if the A’s moved. That’s a pretty key aspect to this letter and the entire Giant argument.
I assume this is why the situation is taking so long to unravel…because the Giants – knowing the nature of their litigious mouthpiece Nuekom – are probably working fervently behind the scenes to extract as much money from the A’s, MLB and even concrete pledges of long-term sponsorship from SV firms before fully moving over to the side in this whole thing.
I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!
pretty much spot on. Mr. Peanut is leveraging the Giants into a position where they can maximize the money they get from the A’s, MLB, and anyone else that they see fit to get money from.
by TheOfficialSunshinePumper on Sep 9, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't count out Neukum
going ballistic. He is after all a seasoned litigation lawyer, and one accustomed dealing with federal anti-trust laws via his days at Mickeysoft.
The other interesting tidbit from newballpark.org is what happens if Oakland does retain the A’s. Would the A’s be in limbo forever if Oakland can’t come up with the land, funding, public support, etc. for the stadium?
Last of all, this tidbit was interesting:
The divided territory was imposed at the request of San Jose baseball boosters in 1992 in a previous attempt to secure a Major League Baseball team.
Who would of thought the main obstacles preventing a SJ move originated from the SJ residents themselves! =/
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 9, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Problem is...
Who is he going to sue? MLB has an anti-trust exemption that allows them to control their territories as they see fit. And if he sues and overturns it, he’ll just be opening the door for Lew anyway since the only thing preventing Lew from moving right now IS the exemption.
Never underestimate a lawyer..
especially in Cali. Breaking the AE allows him to sue the city, the team, and anybody he sees fit.
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 9, 2010 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions
On what grounds
He can frivolously sue all he wants, but he has no basis to sue on w/o the trust exemption… ;) that’s why he’s fighting so hard now. If the rights are granted it’s game over for Neukom and he knows it a’s a lawyer.
by athletics68 on Sep 9, 2010 6:57 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
its not frivolous
he should know about anti trust violations. he sues MLB for unfair business practices. wins. A’s move to SJ, Giants are free from Fox contract, having to pay into revenue sharing, luxury tax. in the long run it might be a loser for them , but not for the yankees red sox and I thought the dodgers, but the McCourt divorce says otherwise.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
They could also easily be kicked out of the league if they choose not to join in those things as well, no?
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
probably
Haven’t really thought it through. Just know that MLB is wrong and in a messed up spot.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
I took the "we will support both teams" statement as...
…positive spin. Nothing more. They’ll say whatever MLB wants to hear, then go do their own thing after it’s all done.
I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen.
~Bob Lemon, 1981
When you say "they"
I suppose you are talking about the corporations?
I can only comment on one of the companies, my own.
We had a dedication ceremony for our new corporate campus this morning. Our CEO went out of his way to remark about the A’s and the SVLG press. He could of brushed it off, but i think he was serious about it because it was completely unrelated to the grand opening ceremony at hand. As I had stated before, our company has had a suite with the A’s for almost a decade before, but we didn’t due to the economy and other various factors. Endorsing such a move would certainly entertain renewing in a new facility in SJ and not just marketing “feel good” ploy.
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 9, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Well you could say the same thing about the CEO or President of Clorox speaking out recently...
He must have been serious also, as why would he have even said anything without being prompted. CEO’s of major corporations don’t tend to just speak out for the sake of speaking out, especially if they are speaking out of there asses…so I agree with you also, Im sure that the CEO of your company was also serious when he spoke to your group today..
There is no A in OFFENSE!!
So..
if Clorox and the rest of the 30 corporations in Oakland were serious, why don’t they do anything…like now? Why do you need a 500k escrow? Cisco is already up to bat and signed an agreement for naming rights to the tune of 135mil already….
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 9, 2010 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Well then why would Clorox of even spoken up about it...if it is just a joke or not serious then they dont even bother mentionng it...
Why would they put themselves in the position of saying things just to say them, especially if what they are saying is dumb?
There is no A in OFFENSE!!
I'm not saying that Clorox isn't serious..
committing to an escrow is very serious business. However, why don’t they commit to it in the present condition with the notion of later improvements? And why only 500k? That’s a pretty laughable amount in these days of sponsorship.
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 9, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
They should put their money behind it if they're serious
They’re not as big as Cisco, but they’re not poor either. Like ST said, 500K is a puny amount for sponsorship from one major company, let alone 35.
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by cuppingmaster on Sep 9, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Does anyone have a link to this story re: Clorox interest?
This is the first I’ve heard of it and I’d love to check out the article.
You know you are big-time when people chant your name while you pee. - 67MARQUEZ
by bakerbeachboy on Sep 9, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Here is the link to the article from the Oakland Tribune...
http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_15893395?IADID=Search-www.insidebayarea.com-www.insidebayarea.com
There is no A in OFFENSE!!
From the same article
Boxer won’t release the full list of companies. But he says the idea is to convince Selig that the biggest problem with baseball in Oakland has been Wolff’s stewardship of the club.
Oakland’s strategy in this whole thing is pretty curious… we have 35 companies that promise to spend $500k on a new stadium. But we won’t tell you who they are. WTF?
I think that what he is saying is that he won't release the full list of companies to the newspaper...
There is no A in OFFENSE!!
If there was a list that consisted of prominent companies, we'd see the list.
They’re bluffing
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Sep 9, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope. He won't release it period.
Just like they won’t say how it will be paid for, which site is preferred, or anything else in public. In case you haven’t noticed.
I wonder if East Bay Food Supply is one of them
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by cuppingmaster on Sep 9, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Bake Sale Betty!
Bob Geren was born in a suburban apartment complex he built with his own two hands.
by QueenOfCansAndJars on Sep 9, 2010 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions
It's the new
Kansas City shuffle….
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 9, 2010 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm sure bashing Lew to Bud will go over like gangbusters
Bud practically hand picked Lew to be a part of Fisher’s ownership group. Bud would never admit a mistake like that…
"I was right and you were wrong." - Ray Fosse
Here
http://www.contracostatimes.com/news/ci_15893395
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 9, 2010 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks guys!
You know you are big-time when people chant your name while you pee. - 67MARQUEZ
by bakerbeachboy on Sep 9, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
If Clorox gets the naming rights to a new A's stadium in Oakland
do we nickname the new stadium the “Toilet Bowl?”
by Mr. Clean Sweep on Sep 9, 2010 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions
We could really play that up in the design.
Instead of a glove or coke bottle, we could have a plunger and a bottle of toilet cleaner.
I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen.
~Bob Lemon, 1981
Think bigger
The shape of the stadium instead… a toilet bowl.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
The pyrotechnics on a homer would be awesome
Flushing sounds, water spraying, Stomper sliding down into the toilet.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
They could play a flushing sound whenever someone strikes out.
by LoneStranger on Sep 10, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
The plunger sound when a new reliever comes in for the opposing team.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
When they leave the bases loaded the runners get swept into a pit that opens up under the pitcher's mound
The roster would change often, however.
Last of the Ninth - Photography
"They" as in the corporations, yes.
I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen.
~Bob Lemon, 1981
Interesting side note
Jed York, owner de facto of the Niners, (miss you Debartalo!) has also joined as one of the directors of the SVLG:
The Silicon Valley Leadership Group added Jed York and Fr. Michael Engh to its 34-member board of directors.
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
Interesting.
The politics of this are getting very interesting. I can honestly see an endgame (maybe 10 years down the line) where the Bay Area is totally split between two major factions. On one side:
- The San Jose A’s
- The Sharks
- The 49ers
- The Quakes
(Basically…the South Bay contingent)
and:
- The SF Warriors (in new arena near At & T Park)
- Giants
Then the Raiders would basically be a neutral party with their own venue in the East Bay- possibly a new venue or possibly a refurbished Coli.
That would be really interesting, IMHO.
I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!
I would say that the South Bay wins out on that one, but San Francisco can never be ignored.
The area near AT&T Park would be booming even more if they could somehow shoehorn a new arena in there.
But it’d still be hard to compete with the Diridon area if the ballpark is built there.
"You're just jealous. You wish you had a rally animal..." -CardinalWraith
SF wins for baseball thats for sure.
They annex all of the north and much of the east bay and maintain northern part of the peninsula
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Sep 9, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Meh
The North is already theirs. The East Bay, they’ll take a chunk out of it sure, but not all of it.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
Coco COunty maybe, until BART reaches Dirodon
But they have enough inroads there already.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
Agreed
The Giants will gain a bit of the East Bay for sure. But everywhere else will be pretty negligible.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
Correct me if I'm wrong
but Lacob and Gruber have ties to the south bay. It is not unfathomable to think that they move the W’s to the south bay as well after their contract with Oracle Arena is up. HP Pavillion would make a very suitable site, as it has during previous preseasons.
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 9, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
The W's draw well, though, right?
Despite their utter suckitude on the court.
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Sep 9, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
and the fact that
NOBODY WANTS TO GO TO THAT TERRIBLE PART OF TOWN
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
They draw very well
but recently have started to discount their tickets in order to continue to draw. Continually sucktitude on and off the field will generate fan apathy (describes me perfectly) which will necessitate more other things for a “good time out”.
i’m not endorsing a move, just pointing this out, as Ellison remarked he wanted to move to downtown SJ when he was bidding on the W’s as well.
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 9, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Good plan.
Everything sucks that’s not there.
Peter Gammons ran over his puppy. But that wasn’t the worst part. He then proceeded to back over it too. Then rolled forward again (#3), rolled down the window and said, "What are you going to do about it, kid? I’m Peter F**king Gammons, b**ch." Then drove away. -d to the moas
by Leopold Bloom on Sep 9, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
D&B could be out new hangout.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
I'd recommend
Gordon Biersch or Britannia Arms personally, but if you like kiddies…thats your prerogative! :X
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 9, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Gordon Biersch? Really thats what SJ has to offer? gross.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Sep 9, 2010 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions
buy you agree that Gordon Biersch sucks right?
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Sep 9, 2010 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I disagree, in its price category the beer is well bellow average IMO
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Sep 10, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah apparently...Maybe we can just move the Coit Tower and the Cable Cars to downtown SJ as well...
There is no A in OFFENSE!!
by wacchampions on Sep 9, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
If you move
I’ll buy you a burrito….you provide your own Pepto though…
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 9, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
La Victoria isn't that bad
and the creamy sauce is GO!
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
Get some
El Grullo…authentic stuff that will have you crapping in no time!
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 9, 2010 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Moving the Warriors ot SJ would be a mistake
They have no in market competition. They should be in SF or Oakland.
True
but i think there is some talk about the Kings moving in market….but it might just be that at this point.
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 9, 2010 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
??
Oakland can support a basketball team with the Kings just up the road, but it can’t support a baseball team with the Giants across the bridge?
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 9, 2010 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Again
The Kings are about 100 miles away and in in a different media market. The Giants are 10 miles away in the same media market. Thanks for playing but try and grasp reality once in a while.
OK, so to be clear, you do believe that the A's cannot succeed financially in Oakland.
What happened to “If they get a new stadium in Oakland. I will be elated.”
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 9, 2010 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Those W fans are pretty hearty
If the apathy hasn’t set in yet…
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Sep 9, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I think after the
“We Believe” fiasco….that did it for me. I’m just waiting to see if Lacob cleans house otherwise I’m ignoring the NBA for another season…
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 9, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions
That pretty much happened for me after they drafted Joe Smith
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Sep 9, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I grew up with TMC
so was always fond of Nelson…I had high hopes for Joe Smith, but Todd Fuller though, really sealed the deal.
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 9, 2010 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
(Shudder)
I had forgotten about him. But he was a good Christian boy and a good student!!!!!
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Sep 9, 2010 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Screwed up there..
Ellison wanted to move to Downtown SF…not SJ…
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/is-larry-ellison-san-francisco-next-for-warriors.php
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 9, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I believe it was the Sonics he wanted to move to SJ
Winners always have high expectations...losers whine about schedules (or blame Dorrell).
I know there was
talk about the Kings going to SJ, but I didn’t hear about the Sonics? Do you have a link?
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 9, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure, here is an excerpt from the Oakland Trib:
“Larry Ellison, founder of Redwood City software giant Oracle, in an unsuccessful attempt to buy the Seattle SuperSonics with an eye toward moving the franchise to the South Bay”
Winners always have high expectations...losers whine about schedules (or blame Dorrell).
Link
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-7059002.html
Winners always have high expectations...losers whine about schedules (or blame Dorrell).
Wow
that was news to me….interesting. Wonder if the NBA would open up the Bay Area as a 2 market team?
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 9, 2010 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
well, Oklahoma City already stole the Seattle team.
Maybe you could crush another market’s hopes and dreams, though.
Peter Gammons ran over his puppy. But that wasn’t the worst part. He then proceeded to back over it too. Then rolled forward again (#3), rolled down the window and said, "What are you going to do about it, kid? I’m Peter F**king Gammons, b**ch." Then drove away. -d to the moas
by Leopold Bloom on Sep 9, 2010 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
They might.
Peter Gammons ran over his puppy. But that wasn’t the worst part. He then proceeded to back over it too. Then rolled forward again (#3), rolled down the window and said, "What are you going to do about it, kid? I’m Peter F**king Gammons, b**ch." Then drove away. -d to the moas
by Leopold Bloom on Sep 9, 2010 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions
If they keep dredging.
Bob Geren was born in a suburban apartment complex he built with his own two hands.
by QueenOfCansAndJars on Sep 9, 2010 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions
As a NRAF, this news excites me.
I know this isn’t true for people in the Bay Area, but to me, Oakland and San Jose are basically the same damn place. I wouldn’t be thrilled about a Portland or Las Vegas A’s team (though it wouldn’t make me stop rooting for them), but his organization NEEDS a new stadium. I don’t care at all whether it’s in San Jose or Oakland. But right now, San Jose not only seems more viable, they seem to actually want the damn team.
I understand that those who live in Oakland will be bummed about the move, but the truth is, not enough people who live in Oakland are going to the games anyway. If this is a step to getting the A’s a new ballpark, then it’s a good step.
www.zekeishungry.com
by thejd44 on Sep 9, 2010 3:38 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Okay, well, apparently an em dash isn't loved by the formatting code here
“at all” shouldn’t have the strike through there
www.zekeishungry.com
by thejd44 on Sep 9, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I just want to see the ball start rolling
This letter just screams power, offense, muscle, rawr! Just make the move to SJ so much more promising.
I keep thinking SVLG can be some new advanced metric o_O
100% Athletics, 100% Baseball. 2009 Athletics, 40% Baseball.
rec'd
NRAF as well. The whinging over a move all the way to San Jose (a whole hour away) is baffling to me.
by AgitationStation on Sep 9, 2010 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions
we're spoiled
a 20 – 30 minute drive or BART ride vs an hour + drive or Cal Trans ride….well, it’s not as nice and I won’t go to 12 – 15 games a year. But I ultimately agree that a new ballpark in SJ is waaaaaaaay preferable to the status quo or to a move out of state.
I don't say this as a personal attack, but from a business standpoint
But, honestly, nobody gives a crap if you go to 12-15 games a year. In fact, teams don’t care about any individual fan and their few hundred (or even couple thousand) dollars. Teams don’t care about WHO the fans are, just that they have more of them.
It sucks for you, of course, if you can only go to 2 or 3 games instead of 12-15. But the team sees those tickets you’re not buying as easily replaced by new fans (and, of course, the other revenue generating aspects like suites, ads, etc.).
Being a fan is so, so not rewarding in situations like this. The reality of one fan’s individual value (especially contrasted with the team’s value to that individual) is very harsh.
www.zekeishungry.com
by thejd44 on Sep 10, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
You speak the truth.
It sucks (for the real fan), but it’s the truth. This is why I have evolved into something of a “fan from a distance”. Basically, I’ll follow my team)s) and keep my allegiances, and I’ll go to games when I can, but I don’t really feel appreciated when I do, so I feel no obligation to go out of my way to do anything extra for them.
I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen.
~Bob Lemon, 1981
Very, very true
And if San Jose gets two fans to come for every one Oakland fan that says “I’m not going any more,” it’s a major gain.
Last of the Ninth - Photography
Wish I knew how that felt.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 9, 2010 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions
obviously
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05
so SVLG wants the A's to go to San José
and many fans, business people, labor and community leaders want the A’s to stay in Oakland
it will be interesting to see what Bud and the MLB owners decide.
Um...
To say that it is only the SVLG that wants the A’s to go is very misleading, as the city, its people, and the fanbase has also endorsed it:
Wants to go the A’s to SJ:
Informal AN fanbase poll: 70%+
Population: 60%+
Government: All council + mayor
Corporations: SVLG (over 3 TRILLION in revenues)
Sponsorship: Cisco ($135 million)
Land area bought: 80% complete
EIR: Complete 2nd revised
Want the A’s to stay in Oakland:
Informal AN fanbase poll: 20%?
Population: ??%
Government: Old Mayor that is retiring, City Attorney, some Councilman
Corporations: Clorox and some 30 unnamed companies (over 150 billion?)
Sponsorship: Clorox ($500k)
Land area bought: 20%? complete
EIR: None
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 9, 2010 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ok, so we all know that you are a huge supporter of the A's moving to San Jose...
I live in Vallejo and would love for the A’s to stay in Oakland, it is convienent for me, I just think thats where they belong, etc…I’m sure that my reasons for wanting the A’s to stay in Oakland are some of the same reasons that you want them in San Jose, many of them are selfish. Now, I am trying to look at this impartially which is hard to do when you are talking about a sports team that you are emotionally and financially invested in.
I am also a Sharks Season Ticket Holder, which tells you that going to San Jose is really not a problem for me. I want what is best for the team and what will be succesful. I do not think that we have to have back and forth arguments on AN about this as I believe that the A’s can be succesful and make it work either way, whether it is in Oakland or San Jose.
I think that we all get involved in arguing and getting angry over something that probably does not have a right or wrong answer, and that we have little control over. Having said this it does appear sometimes here that you just will not listen to anyone who supports the A’s staying in Oakland as you have just completely written it off as even being an option and you seem to get very defensive about it in these posts.
Are you saying that there is absolutely no way that the A’s can make it work in Oakland and that Oakland is totally out of the running? And yes, it apears that San Jose is the front runner in a big bad way, but let’s just say that something happens and MLB says that the A’s will stay in Oakland, everybody regroups and the A’s get it done in Oakland, would you be mad or upset? I’m just wondering where you stand on this, I will be happy for the A’s and us fans no matter what as long as they remain here in the Bay!
There is no A in OFFENSE!!
Same.
I don’t really see how it’s going to happen in Oakland, but I’d still be thrilled.
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Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
I just want a goddamn shiny new stadium and a full crowd that is not Boston fans and a $80M payroll.
It seems to me that San Jose is the one that has it’s shit together. If Oakland is doing things behind the scenes, that’s great, but the secrecy makes them look like they’ve got their thumbs up their asses.
by LoneStranger on Sep 9, 2010 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Depends
Downtown Oakland (Victory Court/Jack London Square) would be great. In the parking lot of the Coliseum and I’d be mad/upset. I want an urban ballpark with things to do before/after the game (bars/restaurants) within walking distance. Though parking lot of the Coliseum is distinctly preferable to Portland/Vegas/San Antonio.
As I said up there. I think NRAFs are the most objective fans in this scenario since if I'm going to go to a home game, it's 2,000+ miles whether I go to SJ or Oak
I guess I’d prefer they find a viable spot in Oakland just for continuity, but what’s most important for my selfish reasons (The A’s having money and being good at baseball) is that they find a stadium as soon as possible.
If the city of Oakland would get their stuff together, fine. But San Jose already has their stuff together, so for the time being, that’s what I support.
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by thejd44 on Sep 10, 2010 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
what AN poll
I certainly didn’t vote in it.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Sep 9, 2010 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah either did I..thats what I'm saying....
Im sure that he got his numbers from somewhere….but really, 60% of San Jose residents want the A’s in SJ? 70% of AN wants the A’s to move to SJ?
There is no A in OFFENSE!!
by wacchampions on Sep 10, 2010 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions
san jose residents favor a’s move poll
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 10, 2010 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions
The AN poll is pretty meaningless
It sort of matches up with my experiences talking to folks about it. Most people are ambivalent about where a stadium goes. There are groups of people who are passionate that it HAS to be Oakland or it HAS to be San Jose. Some with good reasons. But I think the majority of fans don’t really care one way or the other.
Hence..
my notion that is “informal”.
On that note, i have never believed in it has to be here or there, but rather there has to be something, somewhere, soon, period!
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 10, 2010 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions
No, not even informal
That poll isn’t even based on the idea of which would you prefer. It’s simply asking whether you’d remain a fan. To suggest that 70% prefer or want the A’s to go to SJ is ridiculous.
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Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
I thought the questions and answer were pretty clear.
But maybe AN should have a formal poll then? Where I will ask it directly.
Because the choices were pretty clear:
Will you be a San Jose A’s fan?
Hell yes! Where can I order my San Jose A’s shirt?!?!
Only if they retain some Oakland reference and/or aren’t called San Jose
Hell no, we won’t go!
I’ve always been a closet Giants fan, and this will signal my coming out party
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 10, 2010 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions
You can't use silly answers in those kinds of polls if you want to have even a passing legitimacy.
You have to make sure there is the least amount of ambiguity.
Where do you prefer the A’s new stadium to be located?
* Oakland
* San Jose
You can’t add anything else.
by LoneStranger on Sep 10, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
As i said,
it was an “informal” poll, one that i didn’t create. If i made one, it would be very direct.
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
See below. It's not even an informal poll geared towards the answer your suggesting
If the question was asked exactly as LoneStranger suggests above (probably including a “Don’t know” and/or “No preference for either one”) then, and only then, would it really constitute an “informal” poll. It still won’t really be credible, but at least it would be a real, true, “informal” poll.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
Alright,
please make a poll, with those questions. I’m afraid if I make it, the Oaklanders will call it bs.
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
I don't make fan posts... if I did
and want to start a third thread rehashing this stuff, sure, why not.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
Its not an informal poll and calling it one is beyond dishonest.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Sep 10, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
And to that question I'd still answer Oakland
If it asked “Would you be all right with a stadium in San Jose if one doesn’t get built in Oakland?” my answer would be yes.
Last of the Ninth - Photography
Right, but you could answer any place in the Bay Area too.
The question as written is meant to ask the person where they want it to be, not where they’d settle or even which location makes the most sense.
by LoneStranger on Sep 11, 2010 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions
The context of the question doesn't fit the scenario you're trying to report
The answers don’t suggest in any way, shape or form that people want or prefer SJ to Oakland. The question AND the responses all correlate to whether or not there will be fan retention IF they go to SJ. Nothing more. You can not extrapolate from that people’s preference which is what you’re suggesting in your OP. It just can’t be done.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
That really has nothing to do with which location people prefer
All it’s asking is they’ll remain a fan if the team moves to San Jose.
Completely different things.
I prefer a new place in Oakland but I am absolutely fine with San Jose, think San Jose would work out great, and would continue to be a fan of the team.
Last of the Ninth - Photography
I'm not emotionally
stuck to SJ. I actually endorsed the Pacific Commons site back in 2006 when the A’s were just looking for a venue after the baseball village idea in oakland collapsed. I would support a new Oakland stadium but am tired of the same rhetoric from the Oakland camp for a decade + now. Of course I would attend whether they are in Oakland, Fremont, or Santa Cruz (imagine, the boardwalk integrated with a baseball stadium…woohoo!). Admittedly, i am a little selfish because i am from san jose and would allow me to see the a’s more, but if they lose out, i’m okay as well as long as there is a guaranteed new venue!. I’;m just strongly opposed to those in the “Oakland or death” camp who continually talk nonsense with illogical reasons for staying.
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
whoops,
this should be in response to wacchampions.
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 9, 2010 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions
are you from
Boise state? Hence the WAC reference? go SJSU! :X
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 9, 2010 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope...I went to Fresno State and played football....
I guess I will need to change my SN to mwcchampions or something…LOL.
There is no A in OFFENSE!!
Lemoore...LOL..home of the Tachi Palace casino...LOL
I was at Fresno 91-95…
There is no A in OFFENSE!!
LOL...KMPH 26..ha ha...yep 1992 Freedom Bowl in Anaheim....
The Red Wave drove south and something like 30,000 red wavers showed up to suport us….we kicked USC’s ass…24-7 and we were like 8 point underdogs and unranked going into that game..
There is no A in OFFENSE!!
I love yolu, ed.
Peter Gammons ran over his puppy. But that wasn’t the worst part. He then proceeded to back over it too. Then rolled forward again (#3), rolled down the window and said, "What are you going to do about it, kid? I’m Peter F**king Gammons, b**ch." Then drove away. -d to the moas
by Leopold Bloom on Sep 10, 2010 4:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Good ol days
When the spartans and bulldogs used to duke it out.
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 9, 2010 7:44 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Is everyone here?!?!
Wuertz was scratched from a minor league game on Wednesday, but bounced back quickly on Thursday, throwing mostly fastballs and sliders, although he did mix in three sliders. -Rotoworld
Underdog for the mutha**** win
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
Why are we still debating Oakland as an option?
Its San Jose or out of northern CA at this point. Oakland is not viable. It is not a large or thriving city. Not enough people and not enough money to go around. There are some avid supporters in the surrounding cities but not enough to make it work. Fighting against SJ is only going to get the A’s out of the state entirely.
San Jose has the people, the desire and the money… its perfect and pretty much the only option at this point (Wolff realizes this and refuses to lie to everyone). We just have to deal with the Giants and their territorial rights which seems to be causing more trouble than anyone assumed.
And yes I live in San Jose along with a ton of other A’s fans. I rarely go to games in Oakland even though I used to go to 4-5 a year. Its a long drive and the stadium cannot compete with my HD TV. I honestly think the increasing number of high def broadcasts is a key factor in the reduced attendance. I simply have a more enjoyable and cheaper experience in my own home than at the games. I came to this conclusion a couple years ago and decided I would stop going until it made more sense.
If they moved to San Jose I would likely be a season ticket holder. And there are more people like me in the South Bay… enough to sell out every home game for many years I would guess. Oakland, can’t come close to that even if it were a viable option… which it isn’t.
Oakland doesn't seem to be doing anything substancial and hasn't for a while
There have been little to no improvements to the Coliseum for the past 10 years or so. In that time the Giants and Padres have new ballparks, and the Dodgers and Angels have upgraded theirs. The debate is different in football where all 3 California stadiums are obsolete, baseball fans have decent alternatives. It’s the A’s fans that are getting squeezed and you guys deserve so much better. I don’t see why people can’t get on board with a new stadium whereever it is in the Bay Area. Even in facing an uphill climb San Jose has done so much more than Oakland in trying to make it happen for the A’s. They seem to have the local civic and business leaders on board, and have a plan to make it happen. I’m pretty sure we in San Jose can draw decent crowds to the ball park. I would love to have season tickets to see them.
Going to A’s games lately just seems so dreary and feels like watching a ball game in a cave, expecially with those rediculas tarps (which were even up for the playoffs). The fans are loud and try to keep it going, but those empty seats just seem to scream that much louder that something has to be done soon.
Winners always have high expectations...losers whine about schedules (or blame Dorrell).
Oakland has been doing plenty that's substantial
while it may not have gotten quite as much publicity there is certainly plenty of documentation.
I won’t list all the links since that would generate a “spam” report for SBnation.
you can check out this website for some of them (not all, there is quite a bit more). Besides the commentaries that are critical of A’s management on the ballpark issue (which may or may not interest you), there are also links to various efforts by the city of Oakland as well as business and other leaders.
So, which site have they picked, how much land have they bought for it,
and how far along is the EIR?
Oh, and how are they going to pay for the amount that surely the A’s will want them to pay for in order to “settle” for a location they don’t want?
by LoneStranger on Sep 10, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
That ship has sailed
Imagine for a second that there was no team in Oakland. Can you imagine any team moving there? Can you imagine them getting an expansion team? It wouldn’t happen.
I simply believe that Oakland is not a viable market. The Bay Area is much smaller than the L.A., New York, etc markets that also have 2 teams. The only way a second team can compete with the Giants and their stadium is to be in San Jose. There are plenty of San Jose residents that don’t like driving an hour to games. No other area has the density of people who are ready and willing to attend games. Not to mention the corporate money available that Oakland does not have.
All the work being done in Oakland is a waste of time in my opinion. I know there are loyal fans there that will disappointed, but I think we all need to be realistic and do what we can to try to keep the team in Northern CA. And that means we should all support San Jose.
Not to argue, but to understand
What on that site do you consider substantial?
I have been reading that site since it came out to wait for substantial news, and nothing has seemed to be substantial.
I want to reiterate that I have a TON of respect for you from what i have read here and on the OAFC website. So, don’t think of this as a confrontation as much as a “help me understand what I am missing.”
I just got off the phone with an architect in Oakland who put forth a proposal, and he told me that an RFQ is out now for someone to start doing an EIR on Victory Court. I would consider that substantial.
That's certainly good news!
Thanks for sharing! Much more meaningful then this shroud of secrecy that the Oaklanders are banking on…
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
RFQ= checks in the envelope.
Not to be snarky, but that is a few steps back
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
Hey Boone, there's no need to be a dick
News about SJ doesn’t give you carte blanche to make backhanded editorializing swipes at Oakland.
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by cityplANner on Sep 10, 2010 9:16 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
was that necessary?
did he even mention “Oakland” in his fanpost? He was responding to the hyperbole bs from Boxer.
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 10, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
hyperbole, you say?
Peter Gammons ran over his puppy. But that wasn’t the worst part. He then proceeded to back over it too. Then rolled forward again (#3), rolled down the window and said, "What are you going to do about it, kid? I’m Peter F**king Gammons, b**ch." Then drove away. -d to the moas
by Leopold Bloom on Sep 10, 2010 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
sensitive
aren’t we?
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 10, 2010 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions
are we?
Peter Gammons ran over his puppy. But that wasn’t the worst part. He then proceeded to back over it too. Then rolled forward again (#3), rolled down the window and said, "What are you going to do about it, kid? I’m Peter F**king Gammons, b**ch." Then drove away. -d to the moas
by Leopold Bloom on Sep 10, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
there's no need to be a dick...
whoops.
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
apparently, you are sensitive.
Peter Gammons ran over his puppy. But that wasn’t the worst part. He then proceeded to back over it too. Then rolled forward again (#3), rolled down the window and said, "What are you going to do about it, kid? I’m Peter F**king Gammons, b**ch." Then drove away. -d to the moas
by Leopold Bloom on Sep 10, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Ooooh
So sensitive I just popped!
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
Did it
have a lot of white puss in it?
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
It involved a word quite simliar to "puss" and certainly a liquid that was creamy white...
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
Penis itch in Florida?
Sounds like something you’d need a cream for.
by LoneStranger on Sep 10, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Nah, wrong word. This time I'm keeping my original word. It involves adding a "y"
And I get to do the firing of the creamy white liquid!
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
remind me
not to shake your hands if we ever meet up at a game! :X
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
Maybe
i should relieve my stress with sock puppets?
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
or you could just extoll the virtues of San Jose over and over and over and over.
Peter Gammons ran over his puppy. But that wasn’t the worst part. He then proceeded to back over it too. Then rolled forward again (#3), rolled down the window and said, "What are you going to do about it, kid? I’m Peter F**king Gammons, b**ch." Then drove away. -d to the moas
by Leopold Bloom on Sep 10, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Kinda
like i can post stupid threads on crap over and over?
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
So, let me get this straight.
You’re stating that I post stupid threads on crap over and over again. Is that what you’re saying?
Peter Gammons ran over his puppy. But that wasn’t the worst part. He then proceeded to back over it too. Then rolled forward again (#3), rolled down the window and said, "What are you going to do about it, kid? I’m Peter F**king Gammons, b**ch." Then drove away. -d to the moas
by Leopold Bloom on Sep 10, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
That's how I read it.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
LB is channeling the dead soul of Socrates right now
If Pennington manages 17 HRs, I’ll vow to consume an article of clothing to achieve a humorous effect --Joey C.
by cityplANner on Sep 10, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Are you saying he's channeling my soul then?
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
are you confirming
or denying or adding to that?
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
He's asking whether you're intentionally trying to insult him.
Which, quite frankly, is how it’s coming across. And this follow up post isn’t helping you either.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
maybe you're not understanding
that i was originally being facetious with the “dick” comment mimicking what cityplaner had written. With that in mind, i have taken the same attitude for any response thereof….but i’m sure LB is a big boy and can take it for whatever he interprets it as.
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
Maybe you're not understanding what baiting is.
Peter Gammons ran over his puppy. But that wasn’t the worst part. He then proceeded to back over it too. Then rolled forward again (#3), rolled down the window and said, "What are you going to do about it, kid? I’m Peter F**king Gammons, b**ch." Then drove away. -d to the moas
by Leopold Bloom on Sep 10, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Can i be a
Jedi?
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 10, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Is that what young padawans are doing in the bathroom with the door locked?
by LoneStranger on Sep 10, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
i find
your lack of faith disturbing….
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 10, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I think I'm understanding quite clear now.
More than one person interpreted your comment as being a personal attack and baiting. Then when given a chance to explain yourself and how we’re misunderstanding you, you’ve more or less confirmed that that was your intent all along.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
You can perceive as you
like. It is what it is.
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 10, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
It is baiting and it is a CVG.
Peter Gammons ran over his puppy. But that wasn’t the worst part. He then proceeded to back over it too. Then rolled forward again (#3), rolled down the window and said, "What are you going to do about it, kid? I’m Peter F**king Gammons, b**ch." Then drove away. -d to the moas
by Leopold Bloom on Sep 10, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
As long as its not a
CGV….
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 10, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
It is that, too.
Peter Gammons ran over his puppy. But that wasn’t the worst part. He then proceeded to back over it too. Then rolled forward again (#3), rolled down the window and said, "What are you going to do about it, kid? I’m Peter F**king Gammons, b**ch." Then drove away. -d to the moas
by Leopold Bloom on Sep 10, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah, LB
why are you such a dick? Asking questions and stuff. How dare you!?
If Pennington manages 17 HRs, I’ll vow to consume an article of clothing to achieve a humorous effect --Joey C.
by cityplANner on Sep 10, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
I wonder
if you would really ask that question to someone in person?
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
If there were three of us in one place
Would you watch me ask that question? Would turn your back in protest? Would you disrupt my questions with counter-questions? Or would you just muse on the ennui of life and the meaninglessness of ever asking any questions at all?
If Pennington manages 17 HRs, I’ll vow to consume an article of clothing to achieve a humorous effect --Joey C.
by cityplANner on Sep 10, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
If there were the three of
us, and i heard you say that to a total stranger, I’d think it would be totally uncalled for and that you are a sensitive dick. Then I would ponder the infinite rationale of life afterwards…
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
sensitive dick?
just put some lotion on it. Should take the swelling down pretty quick.
If Pennington manages 17 HRs, I’ll vow to consume an article of clothing to achieve a humorous effect --Joey C.
by cityplANner on Sep 10, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
i'm staying away
from you std folks…
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
He was making a comparison between the efforts of Oakland and SJ
The facts speak for themselves.
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Sep 10, 2010 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Dont be too sure of that
Stuff like
Good luck topping that one, Mr. Boxer. Ouch. Oh wait. What’s that?
is unnecessarily snarky and spiteful. That looks more like “baiting” than “facts”
If Pennington manages 17 HRs, I’ll vow to consume an article of clothing to achieve a humorous effect --Joey C.
by cityplANner on Sep 10, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Boxer is definitely downplaying it, that was the point
To a larger point, though, a lot of the quotes from Oakland boosters seem to be playing on the fact that MLB is dragging its feet. They then make a correlation between the time MLB is taking and the supposed lack of credibility of the SJ plan. I’m pretty sure that’s what Boonee is pointing out.
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Sep 10, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
If there's a correlation to be made
It would to the relevance of Oakland’s private (secret) plans. Which may be a good thing or bad, who really knows.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
SHHHH! Don't tell anyone how far we really are(n't) in the process!
by LoneStranger on Sep 10, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Pretty much.
I mean, I’m all for not getting people’s hopes up if you’re genuinely trying by doing it in secret. But I’m also not really buying into it either. Not everyone involved would be in line with that. Someone would leak it.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
THIS!
is what i don’t understand from the Oaklanders. When the only argument for staying in Oakland is a t-rights barrier (from the hated Gnats no less), a shroud of secrecy, and just some civic pride, it really screams “keep the status quo”. This pisses me off to see the A’s start drifting into the abyss of being completely irrelevant in bay area sports. I’m a multi-sport fan, but by far i am most passionated and attentive on matters of the a’s. to see my beloved team being mistreated like a stepchild to the raiders ticks me off. /end rant
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
I guess
Boxer is your Uncle, brother, grandfather, or something?
What is wrong with citing a person who was boasting 34 unnamed companies + Clorox and a 500k check and comparing it with a multi-trillion dollar organization?
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
It wasn't the comparison that bothered me
but rather the manner in which that comparison was made. If you have to put someone else down to make your own case, you need to make a stronger case.
If Pennington manages 17 HRs, I’ll vow to consume an article of clothing to achieve a humorous effect --Joey C.
by cityplANner on Sep 10, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Sounds about right.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
I took it at face value
he pointed out the article, and then his interpretations of it as related to the whole oakland vs. sj thing. it definitely showed his bias but then if it didn’t why post at all?
maybe i came off wrong to how you strongly opposed his views. i’m not much for swearing and calling complete strangers out on the internet, especially if one day, they could be sitting next to me at a game.
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
Whoa, didn't come by for a day and I'm called a dick. All I did was point out how poor Boxer's response to the letter was.
Was I snarky when I posted that comment? Maybe a little, yeah. But I’m certainly not being a dick.
I have my biases just like everyone else; I love Oakland as a city and would love for the A’s to be able to stay.
But it’s not looking good for them so I’m learning to embrace (and even cheer for) San Jose.
And you have to admit: Boxer and Oakland have no reason to say they aren’t pressured by the announcement. They are and it’s obvious that anybody would be when presented with what San Jose has to offer (and already has).
"You're just jealous. You wish you had a rally animal..." -CardinalWraith
by Boonee on Sep 10, 2010 2:24 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
sorry, Boonee
the flippant tone just irritated me more than it probably should have. It seemed like the way you had presented it, you were practically begging for conflict.
If Pennington manages 17 HRs, I’ll vow to consume an article of clothing to achieve a humorous effect --Joey C.
No worries, man.
I never want to come across as a dick or like I’m striving for attention/conflict. That defeats the purpose of a well-run blog (which AN is no matter how creepy the Townsend threads may get) and kills the entire mood of a Fan Post.
No hard feelings man. I just want you to understand that I’m not being a dick; I’m just calling it how I see it and yeah, I’m biased and a tad bit snarky. But that’s pretty much how sports works, right?
::high five!::
"You're just jealous. You wish you had a rally animal..." -CardinalWraith
Where's an iglew lecture when you need one?
Peter Gammons ran over his puppy. But that wasn’t the worst part. He then proceeded to back over it too. Then rolled forward again (#3), rolled down the window and said, "What are you going to do about it, kid? I’m Peter F**king Gammons, b**ch." Then drove away. -d to the moas
by Leopold Bloom on Sep 11, 2010 3:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Exactly......
There is no A in OFFENSE!!
by wacchampions on Sep 11, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I feel you
I’m an admitted Oakland booster, but I try to keep anti-SJ sentiment out of it. Sometimes I fail too.
If Pennington manages 17 HRs, I’ll vow to consume an article of clothing to achieve a humorous effect --Joey C.
As an NRAF, it doesn't matter to me where the team plays, Oakland or anywhere else
But as a fan, I would be delighted to see the organization draw more fans, more revenue, and hopefully begin springing more for talent which should translate to more wins & playoff appearances.
What the team loses in their paying fan-base with any move from Oakland they should more than make-up from an increasing fan-base in the location that they move to.
From Newballpark.org (go there for more discussions)
Media reactions to this letter:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/athletics/detail?entry_id=71954&tsp=1
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/silicon-valley-execs-want-the-as-in-san-jose.php
http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/5253/silicon-valley-millionaires-are-people-too
Most interesting is the Neyer article, "Silicon Valley millionaires are people, too"。
Craig, you are idealizing Silicon Valley.
Most of those guys know exactly what they’re doing.
Humans are primarily motivated by self interest, by superstition and by tribe. They (OK, we) will ignore, forget or subconsciously twist the truth to serve one or more of those imperatives.
The magnates of Silicon Valley would love to see the A’s in San Jose because it would give them more sporting options, and because the new ballpark would be closer than AT&T Park to Mountain View and Los Gatos and Sunnyvale and Los Altos and Cupertino and Saratoga.
And if the magnates have to tell a few white lies to make it happen … well, that’s what we do.
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
Neyer pretty much sums up the entire SJ/OAK debate on this site pretty nicely doesnt he?
"I was right and you were wrong." - Ray Fosse
Agreed
that why i thought it was petty to think about the Corporate dollars argument as some sort of zero-sum marketing game w/o respect to locality.
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 10, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
The locality is clearly key.
You have a business on Alameda in downtown SJ, you’re gonna want to maybe spend more on suites/tickets when you can walk to the stadium after work…
"I was right and you were wrong." - Ray Fosse
Interesting post on Newballpark.org
From “OldBlue” (not sure if he is on AN):
Chuckle. Marine Layer, your resident Oakland gadfly clearly doesn’t understand how the world works. Rich, powerful guys, in this case, the MLB owners, only listen to other rich, powerful guys. Which is why that letter from the SVLG is meaningful. Lots of bucks and lots of power behind that letter. It’s a good letter and it’s also a veiled threat. One doubts the Giants will fluff that letter off the way jk-usa does. The letter is a very strong statement in favor of San Jose. OTOH, what has Oakland given these rich powerful guys that would serve as a counter to San Jose? Doug Boxer? No money, no power. He’s the son of a politician, but everybody knows Barbara, fighting for her political life, never mattered in this equation. What’s she going to do? Try to get rid of the anti-trust exemption? You go, girl. Do it. Then the A’s can move to San Jose without all of the hassle. So that’s all Oakland has. No political horsepower and nothing but vague ideas. No money, nothing concrete. To borrow from Gertrude Stein, there still is "no there there in Oakland."
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The MLB owners know that the A’s ownership—members of their rich, powerful guys lodge—will not spend the money to build a ballpark in Oakland. Jk-usa, do you really think that his fellow owners aren’t very well aware that Wolff has given up on Oakland? That the idea of building a new park there is no longer even on his radar? That the owners also know they can’t force him to build a park in Oakland? Actually, what Oakland is doing is complicating the whole process by fighting a rear-guard action aimed at somehow forcing somebody to spend money where he doesn’t want to. And they can’t do that. Nobody can, especially not the MLB owners. Everybody but some diehard Oakland politicians and fans like jk-usa knows that Oakland is a dead man walking. And the city actually does know it, thus the half-hearted and vague "proposals" that have no meaning anywhere in the real world. Oakland is just showing the flag now, just to placate the hard core fans.
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Something else the MLB owners know is that if they support the Giants in the bogus territorial rights claim, they will set the chain in motion. The A’s will remain in the Coliseum, living with poor attendance and a poor team, sucking revenue sharing dollars from the other teams. They will not build a ballpark in Oakland. They will wait until the economy improves and some sucker city elsewhere makes them an offer. This might actually be a good deal for the A’s because there is a good chance that the sucker city will actually offer to build a park for the A’s. Hello, Charlotte. Or Portland. Or San Antonio. The owners will of course approve the move on the spot. Alternatively, if the sucker city doesn’t materialize and the owners get tired of subsidizing a failed franchise, contraction may come into play. Any way you slice this, no matter how the economy does, no matter what the political situation elsewhere in the country, the clock has already started on the A’s being out of Oakland.
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This is what’s so funny about folks like jk-usa. They’ve already lost the A’s and they don’t realize it. They should be supporting the move to San Jose because it keeps the team within shouting distance. Otherwise, they’re going to have fly to see their team play. Or live with not having their team at all.
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 10, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
he makes a lot of sense
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Sep 10, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
"ouch" is also true
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Sep 10, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
that last scenario
would make me stop watching the baseball altogether….my one real love in all of sports.
this is going to stir the pot, but this is strictly my opinion. i can’t see a realistic endgame in oakland where everybody wins by the giants gaining exclusive territorial rights:
- oakland puts a formal proposal together:
a) taxpayers in oakland kill the plan during ballot time (remembering how al davis gave them some good vaseline) and it starts back to square one
b) residents approve a ballot but the city then can’t afford the raiders or the w’s after their lease expires. this is probably the best case scenario for oakland.
c) the plan is put in motion but budgetary constraints delay the construction for another 5-10 years. Attendance gets worse to Expo levels, Beane and other execs leaves the team, etc. Fan apathy is at an alltime high as many casual fans abandoned to the Gnats.
- New ownership comes on board:
a) but seeks out a new stadium deal with the city (see above bullet)
b) move the team altogether
c) the team is contracted
Realistically, the city of Oakland has a lot more to lose then to gain with the A’s, as they are supporting 3 major sports team and all of them will be requiring new facilities within the next decade. I don’t live in oakland, so i don’t care if the residents pay taxes up the ying yang for a new stadium. I just don’t want it stalled because it was some veiled attempt to appease residents politically.
i’m sure i’ll get challenge on my arguments above, but would love to hear some rationale counter proposals.
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 10, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
2 Fortune 500 companies' CEO (SVLG)
explain their reasons for supporting an A’s stadium in SJ:
http://www.mercurynews.com/opinion/ci_16066471
Key points:
- Stadium will help with local jobs as well as local Valley companies in selling equipment and services
- Stadium will provide additional money to SJ general fund
- Directly benefit local business like restaurants and retailers
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
My Favorite Name on the letter is...
Lew. i don’t think he belongs on that list. Anyways…. its official. He doesn’t like Oakland.
He's a member of the SVLG.
So it’s legit.
by LoneStranger on Sep 18, 2010 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah...
my CEO name is on that list. It’s official, he doesn’t like Oakland even though we’ve had a luxury box at an A’s game for the past 6-7 years. Uh huh…
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
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