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Fisterustration: LOB-witched A's Strand 503 as Late Rally Falls Short, 7-5

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So many baserunners, so few legitimate hitters to drive them home.

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In a game that seemed a crucible of the entire season, the A's lacked fire, dropped the torch and flamed out in an attempt to capitalize on a ton of opportunities, including one to get within 6 of the faltering Texas Toast.

What can you say?  I almost broke stuff watching this game and it makes me sick to have to write about it.  Dallas Braden squeezed all the lousy bloop hits he will give up all season into one miserable inning and the A's let umpteen chances to get back in the game slip away by leaving so many guys on base I lost track... I think it was 13 but it could've been 113 or more.  After a 1-2-3 1st from Braden, the wheels came off and landed the lefty squarely in a ditch, with the M's sending 11 men to the plate with 5 scoring.  Outside of a couple of reasonably hard hit balls, their 7 hits that inning were a collection of broken bats and dunkers that would have made even bald people pull out their hair.  It was all so frustrating I was surprised newly-minted TV color man Ben "The One-Armed Man" Sheets didn't start cussing in Cajun in the booth.

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Games like this are an indicator of exactly how flaccid the A's offense is... I'd advise a healthy dose of Viagra -- in the form of actual hard-slugging sticks that stand up under pressure -- this offseason.

There were so many chances for our boys to score in this game you'd have thought they were a high school quarterback at a cheerleader convention, but sadly it was not to be this evening.  Outside of a Kurt Suzuki 2-RBI single in the 5th, the A's stranded every other baserunner they managed until the last moments of the game and even left the bases loaded several times.... most painfully in the 1st, when with one out Mark Ellis lined right back to the pitcher, who promptly doubled Jack Cust off first base to end the threat.  The A's would not score apart from 'Zuki's hit until the 9th Inning Obligatory TeA'se, when PH Coco Crisp -- who sat out with a sore knee -- knocked in two with a single.  A hit from newcomer cutie Jeremy Hermida and a wild pitch to plate Crisp forced M's closer David Aardsma into the game to shut the door, and he did so on 2 pitches, getting Cliff Pennington to fly out with men on the corners.

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Ah, Fister, aka He Whom We Hardly Knew.... he was pumped to face the A's, given that we are the only team he's beaten whatsoever in his last 12 starts.  That's right, he's 2-10 in his last 12 decisions, with both wins coming in his total domination of Oakland's anemic, almost non-existent offense.  If games like this fail to convince the Athletics' Front Office that they need to spend the money and make the trades -- by any means necessary -- to bolster this pathetic attack, then they are in all likelihood completely asleep at the wheel and someone better wake them up before the brick wall comes and things get ugly.

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Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow is another day... just ask William Shakespeare.

Nothing at all to do but just forget about this debacle and go get 'em next game, which is tomorrow night at 7pm as Gio takes the ball vs. Luke "Do You Speak" French.  Join Baseball Girl (I think she has the thread tomorrow night, although all the switches this week have me as confused as Bob Geren trying to keep the DH in an AL game) right here tomorrow night... I'll be at the game with a whole AN contingent so see if you can make it out to the Coliseum and join us.


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Mon 09/06 WP: Brett Anderson (4 - 6)
LP: Jason Vargas (9 - 9)
6 - 2 win
Tue 09/07 WP: Doug Fister (5 - 11)
SV: David Aardsma
LP: Dallas Braden (9 - 11)
5 - 7 loss

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Wednesday, Sep 8, 2010, 7:05 PM PDT
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Luke French vs Gio Gonzalez

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I say we got doinked tonight.

Nothing was really hard hit. Go get em tomorrow.

by Sniff009 on Sep 7, 2010 10:35 PM PDT reply actions  

After tomorrow, we're six games back.

Write it in the sky in gossamer teardrops.

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 7, 2010 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

At least the Rangers lost too!

I feel badly for Dallas or Pepe’ who is the heart and soul of this team. We’ll get them tomorrow, Buffy, against Mr. French!

"I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way." -Jessica Rabbit

by A'sfansince1970 on Sep 7, 2010 10:48 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

akland A's

No “O” in akland, counting the foot ball team, aklan ai-ers (no “O” no “D”)
the A’s are a collection of a bunch of 7,8 and 9 hitters with a few #10 (if they where allowed)
Offseason needs 3 power hitters (NOT CUST) see if Dye want to play maybe make a play for Thome and Tejada.

by john2260 on Sep 7, 2010 11:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Jack Cust is one of the best DHs in baseball.

If he isn’t a regular starter next season, the team is worse for it. In addition, Daric Barton is flat-out one of the finest young ballplayers in the majors, and he’s probably going to continue to improve. Cliff Pennington is one of the top shortstops, and like Barton, will only get better. And Coco Crisp is a solid OFer. You’re right, the A’s need a couple of good bats to complement what they have, but I do not share your loathing of this offense. They are a couple of pieces away from being a team that would have battered the Rangers into submission a long time ago, and frankly, that’s on Billy Beane.

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 7, 2010 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

While I am usually the first to defend Cust

I’d love to see a better player. But you’re right that he’s clearly not the problem (though getting doubled off on a liner is something few of my Little Leaguers would do.)

That being said . . . Dye and Tejada are clearly NOT the answer, nor to I think Thome is.

This is not little league. The kid who strikes out the most is not the worst player on the team.

by eastcoasta'sfan on Sep 8, 2010 3:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

"Cust is one of the best DH's"

Not zackly, more a case of ‘In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king’. But you’re right on Crisp. Very solid. But you can count on Crisp for 100 games max…..if you’re lucky. Barton and Pennington? right on the mark. They plus Suzuki will form be the nucleus of the position players. I know……….. Suzuki, lousy, lousy second half. But he contracted a bad case of contractitis mid-year. He’ll recover by next season. And the guy who likes Tolleson knows his stuff too. Tolly is good.
This team’s finally on the right track. Getting close to being very good.

by Smoky on Sep 8, 2010 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

a DH needs to drive n runs

cust has not done that with consistency this year. he has been crap with runners in scoring position.

by heartstopper on Sep 8, 2010 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cust is fourth in the entire major league in DH OPS.

That’s coming from the coliseum. He’s been very, very good this year.

A's Fan in Sweden

by travdog6 on Sep 8, 2010 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, and very, very few AL teams really have had good DHs this year.

There are a lot of guys who would make great DHs masquerading as fielders in the NL.

Needs moar dingerz.

by Blicks on Sep 8, 2010 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed, the offense looks bad as a whole, but there are some good pieces there

Barton, Pennington, Cust, and Crisp are all solid. I’d throw Suzuki in there as well — he looks bad in the three or four spot, but durable catchers who hit near league average just aren’t that easy to find. (He’s -11 runs for his career in a total of 3 full seasons of PAs.)

Why don't you make like a tree, and get out of here.

by thelincolndude on Sep 8, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

When

Do we stop the madness and quit defending Cust. He is limited at the plate and in the field. JC can’t hit his weight, drive the ball to left center, or even move baserunners around. We have SETTLED on Cust while we wait for a replacement. Putting a Tux on a turd don’t make it Fred Astaire.

by A'Since72 on Sep 8, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

As soon as people stop the incorrect nonsense?
He is limited at the plate and in the field.

No, and yes.

JC can’t hit his weight,

He weighs 235 and his career average is .245. WRONG.

drive the ball to left center,

Click this link to see all of last year’s home runs to left center. Then click this one to see that HALF of his home runs this year have been to the left of CF. Then realize you are wrong. Again.

or even move baserunners around.

Oh look, hyperbole that you can’t prove! yay!

Pam liked my old sig better.

by mikev on Sep 8, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

heh.

The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09

by pam5981 on Sep 8, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry

I don’t like Bob Geren either.

by A'Since72 on Sep 8, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

u have every right to say what you want on this topic. i just don't see the point when there are 10,000 posts over a season that say the same thing.

and then you should expect to be mocked and hit over the head with facts from mikev.

at some point it’s just a waste of your time.

by stm72 on Sep 8, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

My point

was that as an organization, we should never settle on the product put on the field. Cust and Geren are examples. Mock away, I’ll quit posting.

by A'Since72 on Sep 8, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hmm

9 points on BA and 5 HR’s to left field. Your making my point for me. And now he’s one of our best hitters. My how far we’ve fallen.

by A'Since72 on Sep 8, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would say both actually

It’s the fact that the A’s offense sucks so much that Cust is our best guy, and we are putting our hope on him as a #4 guy, expecting him to hit like a Pujos, that makes Cust standout as the leader of A’s offense’s suckiness.

by asfansince1989 on Sep 8, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

You missed my point entirely, It's not math that I'm doing here

Cust overall offensive stats look good, but his HR/RBI do not standout. If he had played a whole season he would be looking at ~15-18 HR and 60-70RBI, solid but nothing to write home about for a guy who’s supposed to be a DH/cleanup guy.

Why do I pick on his HR/RBI numbers? It’s not about math, but what a fan like me expect, on a gut level. With your best hitter you expect him to drive in runs and carry the team, and Cust just doesn’t feel like that guy. His offensive status rely more in draw walks than your typical DH/cleanup guy.

by asfansince1989 on Sep 10, 2010 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

two weeks ago JC was 12 for 51 with RISP

not sure of exactly what he has done since but i know he hasn’t done much. this is NOT the stat of a producing DH. we need him to drive in runs

by heartstopper on Sep 8, 2010 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

False. He's had 82 ABs (104 PAs) with RISP this year.

Unless you’re going to say that he’s had 31 at bats with RISP in the last 2 weeks, you’re incorrect.

Regardless, 82 at bats is nowhere near enough to determine anything at all. Over his career 624 plate appearances with RISP, Cust hits .245/.404/.446 with 25 homers. That is good.

Pam liked my old sig better.

by mikev on Sep 8, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

FACT: The only possibly available players to replace Cust are Manny Ramirez and Prince Fielder.

Manny will cost more than Cust, but not more than $10MM and Prince will cost us players for 1 year of his bat.

Slight OT: What would be a deal for Prince in November, and July? If he’s still available in July I dont think it would cost us too much, plus we’d get the 2 draft picks. Mazzaro&Weeks, too much/too little? Give me your ideas AN.

-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.

by PL78 on Sep 8, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cust is fourth in the entire major league in DH OPS.

That’s coming from the coliseum. He’s been very, very good this year.

A's Fan in Sweden

by travdog6 on Sep 8, 2010 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thome isn't a terrible idea, although he will eventually get worse.

That he’s having basically the same year he had 15 years ago is truly remarkable, if you ask me.

!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam

by cuppingmaster on Sep 8, 2010 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bottom Line!

Bob Geren was born in a suburban apartment complex he built with his own two hands.

by QueenOfCansAndJars on Sep 8, 2010 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Carlos Gonzales would look nice in one of the corner outfield spots.

Hmm, I may make that my signature if I can figure out how.

The As infield is fine, they provide good D and tolerable bats, but their ability to scout or develop outfielders is zero. Actually, worse than zero. I’m sure I could do a better job with just blind luck.

by Miata71 on Sep 7, 2010 11:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Am I the only one who was impressed with Tolleson's performance tonight?

Three for four, one with Hermida on first right after the horrible second inning, one to lead off the eighth when we really needed a rally (Penny promptly gidp). What most impressed me, though, was his ninth inning at bat. This kid, who I’m sure desperately wants to impress the club and would have LOVED to swing for the fences and be the hero, instead shows great patience and draws a walk to keep the inning and the rally alive. Selfless and mature if you ask me. Tolleson has shown signs that he’s got a great head on his shoulders and knows how to play the game, we may have 2011’s Adam Rosales right here – super utility with the ability to perform under pressure.

by Hire Power on Sep 7, 2010 11:30 PM PDT reply actions  

I liked his hustle on the dink single in the 7th

Bob Geren was born in a suburban apartment complex he built with his own two hands.

by QueenOfCansAndJars on Sep 8, 2010 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

There's no reason to cut Tolleson

He’s a good guy to have around at AAA in case something happens, the dude can play…not very well but he’s probably about a 1 WAR player, better than a Matt, thats for sure.

-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.

by PL78 on Sep 8, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Crap!

Crappity, Crap, Crap

CRAP!

by lynnzgal on Sep 7, 2010 11:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Don't forget bloopity bloop bloop.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 8, 2010 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bring the boys back home.

Bring the boys back home.
Don’t leave the children on their own, no, no.
Bring the boys back home.

by LoneStranger on Sep 8, 2010 8:36 AM PDT reply actions  

The A's hitting philosophy sucks

Bringing in players who have good eyes but can’t drive the ball may look good statistically, and may look good on paper but it doesn’t work in the real world because RBIs happen when people drive the ball. The A’s have gone out of their way for the past decade to find (and train) players of a certain type. Unless you think the entire A’s organization is full of idiots, then it means they’ve been successful in choosing the players and prospects who best fit the team’s parameters. That being the case, you have to blame the parameters.

by richwol1 on Sep 8, 2010 11:31 AM PDT reply actions  

Our hitting philosophy doesn't suck.

We just have hitters that aren’t very good at hitting. Those are two different things.

"You're all like big, fat failure turtles." - Edge

by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 8, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not really

The A’s have had close to a decade to bring in players at any level who won’t suck. The success rate is so low, both at the drafting and trading level, and players do seem to do better outside the organization, that you have to look at problems within the organization. The A’s are drafting/trading based on certain skill sets, and teaching based on certain skill sets.

So either they’re a bunch of idiots, or there’s something wrong organizationally. The idea that it’s the hitting philosophy hits a raw nerve because this appears to be the hitting philosophy that the stat magazines and critics recommend.

by richwol1 on Sep 8, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

We've purposefully drafted pitching

Hitting has definitely been second on the priority list. Right now, we’re stuck with the crappy hitting until someone pans out from AAA or from drafting. I wouldn’t say it’s our philosophy so much as not drafting the best hitters with the first picks.

!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam

by cuppingmaster on Sep 8, 2010 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

its really the same philosophy as the Yankees and Red Sox

RRS’s point stands. Its the hitters that suck.

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes

by Future Ed on Sep 8, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

The two higest payrolls in baseball

You can’t compare apples to oranges. But if you look around the rest of the leagues, you see teams like the Giants having greater success, also in a pitchers’ park. And Sabean is considered an idiot.

by richwol1 on Sep 8, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

hitting philosophy v. hitting philosophy

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes

by Future Ed on Sep 8, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

A-Rod, Mark Teixeira, Adrain Beltre, Victor Martinez

If you can sign the best players in baseball, it doesn’t matter what your organization’s hitting philosophy is.

by richwol1 on Sep 8, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great players are great players

Vlad Guerrero does not have that philosophy. Ichiro Suzuki doesn’t either. Some do, some don’t. They’re still great players.

by richwol1 on Sep 9, 2010 1:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

If this has been the plan for the last decade+

Then why was the A’s offense fantastic in 2000-2004, and not good the past few years? Seems hard to blame that just on the philosophy. I think R-RS below is right in separating out the players. I think it’s fair to argue that some of their targets might have been bad (e.g. Giambi last year, I might argue Connor Jackson this year), but I think that is more an issue of taking risks on injuries/age to get discounts, and counting too much on “upside”. I think they still value plate discipline and power, but aren’t willing to pay the premium it takes to purchase that, and haven’t had great drafts.

by el generico on Sep 8, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

The philosophy didn't kick in until the heroes of 2003-4 were in place.

What the A’s do not like are bad-ball hitters. The result is that you have patient guys who are always looking to drive the ball if they get a pitch to hit. So opposing pitchers can nibble the plate, walk a lot of guys, get deep into the count, and never really give A’s batters any chance to find the right pitch to drive. Lots of men left on base, and not many scoring.

by richwol1 on Sep 8, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

They traded for Kouzmanoff

and Fox.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 8, 2010 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

and you couldn't call Suzuki take and rake

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes

by Future Ed on Sep 8, 2010 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Heck, not even take OR rake.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 8, 2010 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not fond of crappy hitters

I’m just saying that whatever the A’s are doing, it’s not working.

And if it isn’t the philosophy, then it’s the front office making a lot of bad decisions.

by richwol1 on Sep 9, 2010 1:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Larish sucks in LF

I know that was a tough play in the 2nd, and probably only Raj would have made it – and I’m pretty sure Raj would’ve made it, maybe Gross would’ve too. Still, Larish should NOT be in LF in the A’s are still “competing.” And Larish ain’t looking so hot at the plate either, imho, though he did drive that one to the warning track last night. I was at the game, it sucked. Do I sound bitter? well, I am b/c the A’s need to work the count then DRIVE the ball. I agree with the rich guy above and the ones who responded to him. And keep fouling off close pitches until they get one to hit. Hell, a couple more timely base hits and the A’s could’ve won last night. bah, go A’s

by my_cat_max on Sep 8, 2010 2:22 PM PDT reply actions  

They're trying, you have to give them that

They understand we need good hitters, and Larish is likely a better hitter than either Rajai or Gross. Same with Hermida. They can’t be screwed either way — first we say “no good hitters!!!” and then they pluck a few off the scrap heap and we’re like “but defense!!!” Such are the few ways to improve your team come August and September.

!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam

by cuppingmaster on Sep 8, 2010 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Uggh last night was painful

I skipped watching Monday’s game, instead watching Sunday and Tuesday — both mind-blowingly frustrating to watch.

I’m starting to get a bad feeling about Michael Taylor — he’s “up” to .272 w/ 6 HR.

On the bright side, some happy-go-lucky fools (like me and Billy Beane) thought Carlos Gonzalez wasn’t a big league hitter because he had some so-so numbers in the minors. So maybe Michael Taylor just needs more time — but still, man, please hurry up!

Chris Carter will get a very long look in the spring because of his impressive HR totals, but he needs to, you know, get some hits at the big league level.

Do you think we’ll see Dallas McPherson in Oakland this month?

by SteveMcPhatty on Sep 8, 2010 4:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Can't Get Excited About The A's

I’ve been an A’s fan longer than I can remember (probably 40 years — ever since one of their players visited my Jr. High School)…but I just can’t get excited about them any more. They develop strong young talent and then either trade them away or lose them to free agency. The manager lacks the fire that made past A’s teams champions. And, of course, all the talk of them moving to San Jose or someplace else. I’ll find another team if that happens. Trade, trade, trade…all in the name of “rebuilding.” How can you rebuild if you constantly trade your top players away?

by sacnewsnet on Sep 10, 2010 8:25 AM PDT reply actions  

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