Are you going to be a San Jose A's Fan?
With the announcement of an architect selection, Lew Wolff and crew appear to be on a glide path to San Jose. As a guy living in Alameda, my decision to be an A's fan has a lot to do with proximity, so I can't help but wonder how many A's fans will follow the club down 880.
I am not saying I will write the A's off, but I will certainly not be as enthusiastic a fan for a San Jose-based squad. What are your thoughts?
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i will buy a package as soon as they make the plans definite…
I don't see Wolff's move today as indicating a glide path
he is clearly doing all he can to make the move to San José happen. But as far as is publicly known there is as yet no agreement with the Giants over territorial rights, agreement with 75% of MLB owners, or approval by San José voters.
Lew Wolff, co-owner of the Earthquakes and A’s, said that sports venue design innovator 360 Architecture had been selected for both projects.
wait, so what exactly are you reading into the formal announcement of something that anyone following the ballpark issue has assumed for years?
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05
I’m really just using it as kindling for this discussion. Like everyone else, I’m not sure if Sabean, et al will relinquish the Giants’ rights to San Jose, but I do feel like that Wolff’s relationship with Selig will go a long way from the MLB side.
Mostly, I’m just wondering what other AN’ers are thinking about the move and how it would affect their fandom of the franchise.
I answered Yes
I hate Bob Geren and his peanut brain so much -- lenscrafters
by WaddellCanseco on Sep 7, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
lost me there champ. Dont think whether Sabean wants the A’s in SJ has anything to do with whether or not the A’s will be able to move there. Actual owners of the Giants, well, that’s a different story.
by TheOfficialSunshinePumper on Sep 7, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
"Champ"?
Take your silver mod tubescreamer, your dr. z, your nocaster, put them in a pile and burn them. if god gave you a thousand years, you still couldn't touch this. you can't f***ing keep time to this.
I will continue to be an A's fan no matter where they play
My allegiance to them is not dependent on what city they play in.
Last of the Ninth - Photography
by Flashfire on Sep 7, 2010 3:32 PM PDT reply actions 11 recs
This.
Portland. Charlotte. Las Vegas. Helsinki. Nome. San Jose.
Doesn’t matter to me.
I’d prefer Oakland, of course, but… wherever.
I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen.
~Bob Lemon, 1981
What about if they move to New York and become the Yankee juniors?
A's Fan in Sweden
Where are my green and gold pinstripes?
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
And super awesome... in a Charlie Finley kind of way.
"The only way I'm going to get a Gold Glove is with a can of spray paint." - Reggie Jackson
When Mickey Mantle saw the A's debut their green and gold colors, he said basically the same thing.
Who had the last laugh, Mickey? I think the team that revolutionized sports uniforms did.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 7, 2010 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I like you more now.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Kinda like the Giants' orange & black Halloween costumes.
I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen.
~Bob Lemon, 1981
Which they'll never get to wear on Halloween
Last of the Ninth - Photography
by Flashfire on Sep 7, 2010 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ha!
I see what you’re driving at there.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 7, 2010 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree to a point.
If they play somewhere in the Bay Area I’ll be there. If they move out of the region however, they can rot in hell for all I care. My allegiance in part is based on them being the home team. If they’re not in the Bay Area, they’re not the home team anymore. Though I’ll never root for the Giants either since I’ve loathed them all my life. If they left the Bay Area I’d probably give up on MLB.
by athletics68 on Sep 8, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I've thought long and hard about this.
Although it pains me that the A’s will move out of Oakland, I’ve come to that reality a few years ago. The city of Oakland just won’t step up. I think their experience with Al Davis, ruined them to an idea of dealing with the A’s. I miss the days of the Haas family. Anyway, at least they are staying int he Bay Area, and are sticking it to the Giants. I just hope they maintain a reference to Oakland in the exhibitis and monuments, and not basically ignore it, pretty much like they ignore Philadelphia (no Philadelphia numbers retired? Where’s the statue of Jimmie Fox?)
The San Jose Athletics
…would be wise to reach out to the Oakland community.
That said, I can see (and would purchase) an “SJ” alternate cap.
by HCF from Oakball on Sep 7, 2010 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Why would they? The Oakland Athletics didn't.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 7, 2010 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't say they would.
…just that it would be wise to do so. Good point though.
by HCF from Oakball on Sep 8, 2010 2:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't know, to make money?
Wolff/Fischer had one foot out the door when they bought the team.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 8, 2010 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions
That big brick building in the new renderings better house an A's museum.
I want a history of the Athletics going all the way back to 1860. And I want it to include all the crazy, wacky, weird stuff. This team has been one of the most interesting in baseball almost since baseball has existed. Charlie O didn’t start that.
The team doesn’t “ignore” Philadelphia per se—they gave out those Philadelphia throwback jerseys for a TBTC day in some recent season, but I’ll tell you who they do ignore: Kansas City. Maybe that’s mandated by MLB or something, because the Royals certainly get to commemorate the Kansas City A’s. They gave out Kansas City A’s hats this season when the A’s came to town.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 7, 2010 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions
You have the Angels
I hate Bob Geren and his peanut brain so much -- lenscrafters
by WaddellCanseco on Sep 7, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
It might have mattered 50 years ago...
When San Jose and Santa Clara in general were a legitimately a different market, et al, Sacramento. But due to the urbanization of the Bay Area and the Tech Boom, I don’t see a difference anymore. It’s one continuous urban sprawl. As long as the team stays in the Bay Area, I will continue to attend as many games as possible.
"I was right and you were wrong." - Ray Fosse
When San Francisco, the East Bay, and the South Bay unify as one big city a la NYC, I will share that sentiment.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 7, 2010 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Let me clarify.
But due to the urbanization of the Bay Area and the Tech Boom, I don’t see a difference anymore. It’s one continuous urban sprawl.
When San Francisco, the East Bay, and the South Bay unify as one big city a la NYC, I will share that sentiment.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 8, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions
So it's only a semantic difference, then?
You probably know as well as I do that the Upper East Side of Manhattan is nothing like Queens. You might as well be talking about Union City and San Francisco.
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Sep 8, 2010 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Semantics are underrated.
If the Brooklyn Dodgers had moved to Staten Island instead of Los Angeles, their fans wouldn’t have been as hurt. And if the A’s were moving to San Jose, a borough of Bay Area City, instead of to San Jose, a different city, it would hurt East Bay fans a lot less.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 8, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
You think people that live in Oakland would be less hurt if there was simply one Bay Area mega city?
I highly doubt this. Again, people from Queens in NYC self-identify with being from Queens and people from Brooklyn self-identify as being from Brooklyn. There isn’t like “oh yeah, I’m from Queens, Brooklyn — who cares, it’s all NYC baby!” There are deep neighborhood rivalries/pride, just as there would be in your scenario.
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Sep 8, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
As far as the rest of the country is concerned
We are one big city. Not unlike how “LA” is one big city to people who don’t live there.
being from part of the rest of the country
i have to say you’re wrong. people know SF, most know oakland, and some know a little bit about san jose (usually if they follow hockey). the bay area isn’t tight/dense enough to be lumped together.
BK: This guy is on fire, he is really smokin'.
KenKo: Oh yeah, Bill? What's he smokin'?
My experience with folks outside of the Bay Area
They have heard of San Jose and Oakland, but they have no clue where they are. And If I say, “Near San Francisco” or “In the Bay Area” they get it immediately.
It is slightly different if I am talking to folks on a business trip. Business people have all, mostly, flown into San Jose and know where it is.
Honestly, I couldn't tell you where Manhattan or Queens or Brooklyn or Harlem are on a NY map.
Unless that map has them labeled.
You think most people in the BA could point out where Philly/Pitt are on a map?
Much less Cincinnati, Cleveland, KC, etc…
"I was right and you were wrong." - Ray Fosse
I'm not sure how selecting an architect means they're on the glide path to San Jose.
Where in that article does it say that they are building the ballpark in San Jose? Couldn’t 360 be used no matter where it’s built?
I think 360 was the company
that they were planning on using for the proposed Fremont ballpark. I could be wrong though.
That rug really tied the room together...
by Streams Of Whiskey on Sep 7, 2010 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
If they stay in CA (preferably Norcal)
then I will always follow them. Keep them out of Vegas, Omaha, or wherever and I’m cool.
North Bay annexed
The sad thing is any site besides Oakland basically annexes anything North of SF as Giants territory and will greatly impact my ability to get to games. Selfish, I know, but all I need is more idiot reasoning from Giant fans about why I’m an A’s fan when “it’s farther away” (as if that or payroll should dictate team loyalty).
It already is.
Nothing will change about that, though in my experience no one’s ever questioned why I chose the A’s over the Giants.
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BLOOM. For men.
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Back in 1987...
…my older sister, who is a Giants’ fan, asked me why I am an A’s fan. “The Giants are obviously the better team.”, she said.
I smiled, and replied, “Just wait.”.
I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen.
~Bob Lemon, 1981
Yes.
"You're all like big, fat failure turtles." - Edge
by Rated-R Superstar on Sep 8, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Are you going to be a San Jose A's Fan?
Does a bear sh*t in the woods?
AN: Where you will be an A's fan or Dallas Braden will show you the repercussions of your actions.
They actually go downtown these days to do their business
It’s weird.
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BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
I think...
I’ll always be an A’s fan no matter where they move. However if they move out of Nor Cal that won’t allow me to visit games anymore and I may grow ever so slightly disinterested in baseball. Never will I be a Giants fan just so I can attend games.
Pavelski soaks panties faster than a firehose - Mr. Plank
by GoldenStateGuerrero on Sep 7, 2010 4:46 PM PDT reply actions
I think the blog in general has been pretty Pro-SJ A's
riding the roller coaster of proposed ballparks has lead us to such, and I think a lot of people have become disenfranchised with the city of Oakland for a multitude of reasons (poor attendance, Jerry Brown, the Raiders, etc…)
"I wanted to see how much my computer programming skills had improved since the last time I was arrested." - octopus virus
Ill still be an A's fan
but moving to SJ would drastically decrease the likelihood that I would buy tickets from going to about 10 games a year now to about 0 in SJ.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Sep 7, 2010 4:59 PM PDT reply actions
Yeah, I would basically be hoping for something like the Father's Day Package of Sunday day games they had this season.
And I doubt that even that would be as doable for me.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 7, 2010 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Would that be due to distance or prices in any new ballpark?
"I was right and you were wrong." - Ray Fosse
of course...
I’m an A’s fan…not an oakland fan.
by chri5 on Sep 7, 2010 5:23 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
And actually being in sj would give me an excuse to stay there the night and go to my favorite bar. Win!
by chri5 on Sep 7, 2010 5:40 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Jumpage of gunnage callage
I don’t think this means what some are reading into it. 360 has been working with Athletics Baseball, LLP (or whatever the A’s ownership group is called) on the Coliseum North renderings/plan, the Fremont renderings/plan and the San Jose renderings/plan.
The part that intrigues me, and I might be able to read as a “showing of the hand” if i squint real hard, is this line at the end :
The implementation of the proposed 32,000-seat A’s venue is dependent on a decision from Major League Baseball, according to Wolff.
Oh wait, nope… That is actually the same thing we have all known for a looooong time.
My answer to the poll is “Yes.” I will be an A’s fan as long as they are in the Bay Area (Or Sacramento). If they leave altogether, I will find something else to do with my time. There is no appeal to following the Las Vegas A’s for me.
I think I might actually feel better about the New Mexico A's or the Idaho A's.
For one thing, they’d actually be breaking new uncharted ground, like the Dodgers and Giants and A’s did when they first came out here. For another, I think it would be easier for me to accept not being able to go to games because I just had no opportunity at all—I lived with that for 17 years. But for the A’s to be so close to me, and yet so difficult for me to be able to watch because of time and money, would be tough.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 7, 2010 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions
You realize that those two locales will never have a big 4 pro team
Unless Boise suddenly becomes the Manhattan of the mountain west, right?
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Sep 8, 2010 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions
The A's didn't actually blaze new ground
They joined an existing market 10 years after it had been established as “Major League.”
You live in Alameda!
…and an extra 30(?) minutes of drive time has you on the fence? Wow.
I live in Vacaville. It takes me almost an hour to get to the coliseum. San Jose is about as far away as you can get from me and still be considered “Bay Area”…New ballparks in either Oakland or Sacramento would be my first choice, from a convinience standpoint. From a practicality (and I guess, real-life standpoint), I can not wait until they break ground on Cisco Field. I look forard to the day that the A’s are able to keep their homegrown players and vie for free agents. I’ll be there opening night and beyond.
Anyone living in the East Bay that gives up on the team because they move a few miles south sucks.
by HCF from Oakball on Sep 7, 2010 6:10 PM PDT reply actions
seriously
Try driving from sacramento
by chri5 on Sep 7, 2010 6:35 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Some of us...
…are a bit more loyal/committed than others. I’m OK with that.
by HCF from Oakball on Sep 7, 2010 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I live in Oakland - 10 minutes from the Coliseum
and ANY additional drive time will have an effect on the number of games I can and will attend. It won’t change my team loyalties, but it definitely will change the number of games I attend per year (which right now sits at probably 30+). I can see that cut in half.
That's pam. "classy enough." -whiteshoes40
Thats too bad.
I manage to make around 25 games a year these days, down from the 40ish that was my norm about 20 years ago when I was young and without grown up responsibility.
I’m glad you’ll still be a fan. I assume you agree that anyone that drops the A’s just because of an extra half hour of drive time sucks.
by HCF from Oakball on Sep 7, 2010 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Going from 10 minutes to 45 minutes represents an 78% increase in travel time
That said, I’m ok with you hating on me because of my aversion to traffic. It’s certainly your right after traveling from Vacaville to the Coliseum.
I go to a few Sharks games a year (45 minutes from here to the Tank in light traffic), so I’m sure I’ll still go to A’s games in San Jose, but I will go to a lot fewer games for sure.
I hate no man...
…that loves the A’s.
by HCF from Oakball on Sep 7, 2010 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions
By my math that's a 450% increase in travel time.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
I know it would be a pyrrhic victory...
but I would love so much for Oakland to steal the Sharks and San Francisco to steal the Earthquakes. I just want someone down there to know how the hell what they’re doing to me feels.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 7, 2010 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions
We do know how it feels
The previous version of the Quakes was stolen away by AEG and shipped to Houston a few years back. So yeah, we’re pretty familiar with it. And I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy.
You wouldn't wish it on Yankees fans?
I think I could die happy after hearing about the exciting new Yankees ballpark in Indianapolis.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 8, 2010 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Or the Oregon Red Sox!
The Montreal Rangers! The Boston Angels!
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 8, 2010 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions
You say that as if soccer and hockey matter.
I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen.
~Bob Lemon, 1981
hockey matters
soccer not so much
Every day is just a little worse than the previous, that means every day is the worst day of my life.
by shooting4life on Sep 8, 2010 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions
That's why it would be a pyrrhic victory.
But someone down there cares about those teams the way I care about the A’s.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 8, 2010 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Regarding the Sharks
I’d:
a) Be confused as to why they were leaving an area that’s been incredibly supportive in regards to attendance.
b) Get in my car and drive the 33 miles up a major freeway to go watch them in Oakland.
Well that and...
The Sharks are the operators of the arena they play in down in SJ. Why would they move to Oakland?
agreed
I been making the trip from San Jose for over 30 years to see my A’s.
So I don’t want to hear any whining about travel time dammit! Especially when some folks are making the trip from places like Sac, Vacaviile, Stockton, and Gilroy. I realize those of you who live in Oakland/Alameda/SF have been spoiled by the utter closeness to the Coliseum over the years. If I lived up closer to the Coliseum I would probably go to more games than I do now, but not by much. I already average at least 20-25 games a year so I feel like i represent the team fairly well already as a fan. I really hope the SJ plan works out cuz if it doesn’t the A’s are screwed…………….
"By the end of the year, I'll have Dallas throwing right-handed'' -Ben Sheets
It will make it impossible for me to see a night game during the week.
It takes 1.5 hours to get to SJ via the train and that doesn’t even count time getting to the train. Getting off at 6 makes that impossible.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Sep 7, 2010 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe it isn't the drive time.
…and an extra 30(?) minutes of drive time has you on the fence?
Maybe it’s more the feeling of being stabbed in the heart and abandoned by the team you love.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 7, 2010 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
BTW...
I think I invented a new word there.
by HCF from Oakball on Sep 8, 2010 2:47 AM PDT up reply actions
No, that's how it feels.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 8, 2010 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I would definitely agree...
…If they moved to Vegas or Portland wherever else outside of driving distance, but to SAN JOSE? Plus/minus thirty miles is not a stab in the heart. Hell, Cisco Field will eventually have a BART stop.
by HCF from Oakball on Sep 8, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Id prefer them move to PDX than SJ and I live in SF
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Sep 8, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
why? San Jose isn't practical for me to get to on public transportation. Portland I would want to make a trip out of it.
Ill probably go to the same number of games in PDX as I would in SJC
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Sep 8, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
umm...
I live in SF. The caltrain takes 58 minutes to downtown. You could walk to the stadium from there. I have taken the caltrain for commuting from SJ to SF and vice versa for many different jobs over the years. Like hundreds of times.
It’s not that dramatic.
by Billy Frijoles on Sep 8, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Day games and cal train would be cool
Personally I want the A’s to build the stadium here. Mostly because my house would be about 500 feet from home plate
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
I would love the A's to go to the mission.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Sep 8, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Last time i took the train it took ~ 1h 20 min it was a sunday and it made every stop.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Sep 8, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
That's less than it takes for me to drive to the Coliseum on a Sunday afternoon.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
You're in the Bay Area. Transit is always going to be faster.
Even Muni is faster than driving in SF, because of parking.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 8, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Not from my experience.
But then I come in from the North Bay.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
Not from my experience either
Even during rush hour I can get to SF in less than an hour from SJ. You just have to know which roads to take (ie: don’t take 280 to 380 to 101 and then back to 280.
It's about 45 minutes to El Cerrito
Another 45 minutes to the Coli. Usually getting traffic on the 80/580 at the maze. I’ve done Coli to Novato in 45 minutes before once, hauling ass and only because that day there was no traffic. But Petaluma to Novato is basically 10 – 15 minutes right there.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
45 minutes from El Cerrito to the Coliseum?
Ummmm…not in my 30 years of driving to see the A’s.
by HCF from Oakball on Sep 8, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Depends on day and time of day
On Sunday, it’s probably closer to 30. Today, I’ll leave work at 5pm and if I’m not in a car pool lane, might get there between 6:30 and 7pm. But possibly after 7.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
We got there at 6:10, drama boy, and we picked up Josh.
Peter Gammons ran over his puppy. But that wasn’t the worst part. He then proceeded to back over it too. Then rolled forward again (#3), rolled down the window and said, "What are you going to do about it, kid? I’m Peter F**king Gammons, b**ch." Then drove away. -d to the moas
by Leopold Bloom on Sep 9, 2010 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Correct me if I'm wrong but we also got to use the car pool lane?
Not as much traffic as there used to be through there though. Used to be much, much worse back around 2000.
Choosy Feebas choose Leopold Bloom nipples
Daring. Sensual. Invigorating. Squirrel.
BLOOM. For men.
If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
There's these things called commas...
Peter Gammons ran over his puppy. But that wasn’t the worst part. He then proceeded to back over it too. Then rolled forward again (#3), rolled down the window and said, "What are you going to do about it, kid? I’m Peter F**king Gammons, b**ch." Then drove away. -d to the moas
by Leopold Bloom on Sep 9, 2010 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Comma Comma Comma Chameleon...
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If the eggs actually hatch I made more than a mistake, I made some scientifically impossible crime.
Also, as our mutual friend has explained to us,
the car pool lane isn’t really any quicker anyhow and you’re really just risking getting into an accident.
Peter Gammons ran over his puppy. But that wasn’t the worst part. He then proceeded to back over it too. Then rolled forward again (#3), rolled down the window and said, "What are you going to do about it, kid? I’m Peter F**king Gammons, b**ch." Then drove away. -d to the moas
by Leopold Bloom on Sep 9, 2010 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions
This is the same friend who claims to have told us we were going to SF
He’s mistaken. Often.
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I think we better both hope he never ventures in here.
Peter Gammons ran over his puppy. But that wasn’t the worst part. He then proceeded to back over it too. Then rolled forward again (#3), rolled down the window and said, "What are you going to do about it, kid? I’m Peter F**king Gammons, b**ch." Then drove away. -d to the moas
by Leopold Bloom on Sep 9, 2010 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed.
But I think we can take him even if he does.
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During the week there's express trains that can make it faster
Even looking at only the annoying every stop trains, an hour and a half on the train is so bad you’d prefer to have to take an hour and a half flight?
i get off work at 6 can get to the train at 615 that would put me at a weeknight game at 745 way too late
I could go PDX for a weekend and make it an event.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Sep 8, 2010 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm sure the A's...
aren’t sweating that $250 you spend on tickets every year.
by HCF from Oakball on Sep 8, 2010 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions
well then they can go fk themselves for all I care.
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Sep 8, 2010 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Portland...
…has a nice soccer stadium.
by HCF from Oakball on Sep 8, 2010 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Like I have said many times before my preference for stadium locations is
1 San Francisco
2 Oakland
3 Portland
4 I don’t care
What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT
by designatedforassignment on Sep 8, 2010 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Do you have some form of transportation that won't go south?
Why would you want the team you root for to be 600 miles north as opposed to 30 miles south?
If SF could support two baseball teams...
I guess I’d be OK with it. It’s not the East Bay, but it’s not the suburbs either.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 8, 2010 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions
If you don't want them to go to SJ, SF should be even worse
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by cuppingmaster on Sep 9, 2010 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions
San Francisco is significantly closer.
Peter Gammons ran over his puppy. But that wasn’t the worst part. He then proceeded to back over it too. Then rolled forward again (#3), rolled down the window and said, "What are you going to do about it, kid? I’m Peter F**king Gammons, b**ch." Then drove away. -d to the moas
by Leopold Bloom on Sep 9, 2010 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Assuming we could get our own stadium there
I’d be cool with that.
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True.
San Francisco is also significantly more awesome.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 9, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Moving across the bay didn't bother Warriors fans.
Wouldn’t bother me. San Francisco isn’t a suburb. It’s not home, but it’s darn close, and it would feel a lot more like an old friend helping us out and shouldering something the East Bay couldn’t deal with anymore. The South Bay? That feels like a jealous younger brother stealing what’s yours because he’s insecure about his identity.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 9, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
100%.
I love San Francisco. It’s a great place.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 9, 2010 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Dude, get off it.
I’m tired of your anti-SJ stuff just because your feelings got butt-hurt. If the team was going to SF you’d be just as pissed.
It sounds more to me like you are insecure about Oakland’s identity.
by LoneStranger on Sep 9, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, yeah.
I thought for a moment that I wouldn’t really mind the team moving to San Francisco, but more likely, I don’t know what my own thoughts are and you do.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 9, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
The situation would be different.
You wouldn’t have all this animosity toward San Jose, because you’d be digesting the franchise thinking about moving to SF. Right now, it seems you are throwing negative things toward SJ out of spite, and saying that SF is ok is another one of those anti-SJ things.
by LoneStranger on Sep 9, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Honestly I don't care where they move
As long as it’s still in the bay area. 2 hour drive or a 1 hour drive to see the team, no biggie to me.
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by DMOAS on Sep 9, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Let me clear that up.
I’ve never liked the South Bay. When I thought the A’s were moving to Fremont, I was disappointed (although now I’d leap at the chance), but I didn’t think about it too much. I accepted it pretty quickly and moved on.
I live in SF right now. I love San Francisco. I love it probably as much as I love the East Bay, and although it’s not home, it’s pretty close, and it’s a place I would be happy to see the A’s play in.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 9, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
So basically, you've never liked the South Bay,
and we should just ignore your comments because they’re tainted with your own personal feelings and no amount of logic is going to change that?
In other words, it's all an emotional argument
Nothing wrong with that. But really, it doesn’t make for a rational discussion and really shouldn’t be given too much credence in what actually should/will happen.
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Pretty much
I’m glad to see someone pro-Oakland, but it’s coming off as more anti-San Jose than anything else.
It’s more like a political attack ad where you try to call into question or find fault in the other side rather than propping up your own.
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I am anti-San Jose.
I’m glad to see someone pro-Oakland, but it’s coming off as more anti-San Jose than anything else.
I don’t like the place. Never have. I know some wonderful people from there, but I don’t like the city. I guess, at this point, I am more anti-San Jose than pro-Oakland. I’d take a move to Fremont at this point, or a move to San Francisco.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 9, 2010 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, since I know your position is irrational...
…I’ll know how to properly treat it from now on, which is to say I won’t respect your position at all.
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1) I don’t like the South Bay. That is my feeling on the subject.
2) The A’s don’t have to move to the South Bay. That is my argument on the subject.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 9, 2010 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
#2
That may be what you’re attempting to do, but really all you’re doing is infusing #1 into your #2. Just accept that you don’t like SJ. I don’t really care why, that’s your right and I sure as hell won’t try to convince you otherwise. But using it as your basis for arguing that the A’s don’t have to move there is really quite weak and entirely laced with the emotion. And I’m just going tell you, the net result clearly isn’t the one you’re after.
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I have never understood the animosity some people have toward San Jose
It’s like they shouldn’t even try to do anything and just be content to be the “suburb” of Oakland and San Francisco or something, when reality shows they’re anything but.
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I'd guess that those people have not spent much time there - have no idea that the city/area DOES have its own identity
and does not need other cities in the region to compare itself too. I think the city knows very well what their identity ans community is and likes itself just fine.
"Are those new tarps? Or did they paint 'em?" Mark Ellis
Um...
San Jose is NOT a suburb. If you can’t get that, if you don’t understand that, then pretty much everything else you say on the matter loses all credibility. I get your emotional attachment and I’m perfectly fine with people like you not wanting the team to go to SJ because of the extra miles to see the team in person, but this just crosses the border and beyond into ridiculousness.
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San Jose isn't a suburb either
It’s the largest city in Northern California. If anything, little brother has grown up and is now showing up the older siblings. I think this is what’s REALLY pissing Oakland and SF fans off more than anything.
by athletics68 on Sep 9, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
it's called urban sprawl
that’s not a good thing.
by sf drift king on Sep 10, 2010 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Oakland has urban sprawl.
It’s just not all called Oakland.
by LoneStranger on Sep 10, 2010 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Historically...
…San Jose has been suburban-ish, and SF is still the financial center of the region, but the last 20-30 years and Silicon Valley has changed SJ into more of a cunetr of industry and a hub in its own right.
I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen.
~Bob Lemon, 1981
It bothered Franklin Meuli...
…he wouldn’t even name the team Oakland Warriors.
Yeah, yeah, 6 “home” games were played in San Diego the first year after the renaming, and it was ostensibly meant to represent all of California, but let’s get real… Meuli was a San Francisco snob who hated Oakland, and didn’t want to be associated with Oakland. He was ok using their venue to make more money, as long as few people knew about it.
I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen.
~Bob Lemon, 1981
Our "old friend" has a team that would love nothing better
Than for us to rot at the Coli for another 20 years.
Tell me this: If all were the same, but SF was in the South Bay and SJ was where SF is physically, would you still care? In other words, is this more of a matter of convenience for you or truly animosity towards other cities that indirectly make Oakland look worse?
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by cuppingmaster on Sep 9, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I can't really answer that.
It’s not a premise I can really put myself into. Most likely, I wouldn’t care for either one. I don’t like the climate in San Jose, and I don’t like the sprawl, but I also don’t like what I have generally tended to perceive as a lot less culture than exists in SF and Oakland, and really in most of the rest of the Bay Area.
I wish there was a way to convince you guys that I genuinely don’t care for the South Bay, for a variety of reasons ranging from the climate to the culture to the ceaseless quest to show up the rest of the Bay.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 9, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
You think San Jose is trying to show up the rest of the Bay Area?
That’s just…insane.
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Hasn't been basically the running Bay Area commentary on San Jose for decades?
They don’t have a coherent civic identity so they take every opportunity they can to prove they’re more important?
Most of the people I know who like San Jose will tell you that.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 9, 2010 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions
ie, Oakland in the 1960s
which is why they built the complex to bring in all the sports teams…
"I was right and you were wrong." - Ray Fosse
What exactly is the South Bay culture?
And how is its climate really all that different?
And I’m dying to know who from there pissed in your cereal.
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by cuppingmaster on Sep 9, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's what I think really bothers you
Somewhere inside, you understand that Oakland is becoming third-fiddle to San Francisco (it was always behind San Francisco anyway) and San Jose and you can’t stand it. Oakland has struggled overall and can be better again, but they’re having a lot of real problems these days. Losing the A’s to San Jose would hurt that on some level but right now San Jose has more going for it than Oakland does.
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That's only on the weekends dfa
During the week there are baby bullet and limited stop trains that run from the premium commute hours. Check out the schedule…it’s pretty darned easy to catch any number of trains to get you to a game on time and practically drops you off right at the proposed new stadium.
"By the end of the year, I'll have Dallas throwing right-handed'' -Ben Sheets
Not long after they move there...
… the transit options should improve significantly, assuming the NIMBYs don’t screw up High Speed Rail along the peninsula. Between that and Caltrain grade separation and electrification, I’d be willing to bet you will be able to make the trip in 45 mins or less on a routine basis.
Doesn't mean I can go to games.
For example, I’m going to the game tonight. I get off work, near Civic Center in San Francisco, at 5. I can BART to the Coliseum with time to spare by start time, 7:05. If the game ends at 10:00, I’m home, again in San Francisco, by 11:00.
Contrast that with San Jose. I get off work at 5, I might be able to BART to the game by start time, and if there’s a giveaway, I’m sure to miss it. I’m likely to miss part of the first inning as well. And if the game ends at 10:00, I don’t get back to the Lower Haight, where I live, until pretty late at night.
And aside from all of that, they are ditching my hometown. And it’s not like they couldn’t have made it work there. People talk about all the sponsorships they’ll get in the South Bay, but numerous East Bay companies, and even San Francisco companies, are on record saying that they would totally be down for sponsoring the A’s, but have never been contacted. And it’s not like the A’s couldn’t also get some of those South Bay companies to sponsor them if they stayed in Oakland.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 8, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
or you could leave early like people
do all around the bay area to go to giants or A’s games.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
Not really an option for me.
I have to switch my entire shift (to a graveyard), or take a day off, if I don’t want to be leaving straight from work. I can’t do that all the time.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 8, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Two thoughts...
1. I leave Vacaville at 5:30, fight traffic on 80 and 880 and get to the coliseum at +/- 6:45. If the game ends at 10 I’ll be home by 11:00 or 11:30.
2. They abandoned your hometown?? Big deal. So did you.
by HCF from Oakball on Sep 8, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Two responses...
1) I don’t have a car.
2) My parents moved the family to Kansas when I was seven. I didn’t have a say in the matter. And the most secure way for me to get back to the Bay Area, when I was finally able to do so, was to take a full-time volunteer position with all living, housing, and transportation expenses paid. That was available in San Francisco. It wasn’t available in Oakland, and I wasn’t going to just take a flyer on being able to find a job and an affordable apartment.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 8, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow
1. Fair enough.
2. So, a stadium site (a specific one) is available in San Jose and the corporate base to help pay pay for the stadium is too. Sounds like justification comparable to yours, no?
It is comparable.
But here’s the thing: that corporate base exists in the East Bay. To reiterate: numerous East Bay companies, and even San Francisco companies, are on record saying that they would totally be down for sponsoring the A’s, but have never been contacted. And it’s not like the A’s couldn’t also get some of those South Bay companies to sponsor them if they stayed in Oakland.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 8, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
And yet the key piece of that, namely support from Oakland the city
Hasn’t been there for the last 15 years.
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I think it is fair to say
We disagree on this. I doubt that there are enough East bay companies to support the A’s in Oakland in a large enough quantity to privately finance a stadium.
The SVLG, which has many, many companies amongst it’s ranks will not support an Oakland stadium. People who think they would are fooling themselves.
You have to ask yourself, “Why do companies buy suites and charter seats?”
Mostly for client meetings, corporate events and employee recognition. Why, if they can get the exact same benefits in San Francisco would companies in the South Bay be into buying something in Oakland? Just cause it is shiny and new?
In my job, I meet with vendors regularly… Guess how many have invited me to Oakland for anything? Guess how many have invited me to Sharks games, Giants games and even 49ers games (on top of events not at sporting venues in San Francisco or San Jose)? The SJ/SF invites are about once a week.
I am not against something happening in Oakland. I am skeptical that it ever will. And strictly from a financing perspective.
Where are these East Bay companies and why aren't they screaming at the top of their lungs that they'll help with a stadium?
Pam liked my old sig better.
That's a LOT of heavy hitters
The amount of money and political clout of those 75 CEO’s is pretty damn impressive. And vowing to support both teams if the A’s move south is just what someone like Selig was waiting to hear.
re: point #2
So what you’re saying is that you wouldn’t prosper in Oakland? Hmmm. Lew Wolf & company are thinking along those same lines.
by HCF from Oakball on Sep 8, 2010 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Numerous East Bay companies?
The Oakland City Leaders (Dellums and Brunner) recently went public with details of the sponsorship potential. They secured promises for $500k from 35 companies. If you use AT&T Parks financing as a model, 48% of construction costs will need to be covered by the corporate base. This is between naming rights and charter seats.
The stadium to be built will cost roughly $461M. so, about $230M needs to come form naming rights and charter seat sales.
35 companies. $500k. $230M.
That is some rough math.
Out of context.
The 500K was an on-the-fly roundup done on short notice and was always billed as a good-faith gesture rather than as a real estimate of the corporate base. Let’s Go Oakland basically exists to increase that number. East Bay companies that are either on record as being interested in sponsoring the A’s, on record as being interested in increasing their sponsorship of the A’s, or currently sponsoring the A’s include Chevron, Safeway, Round Table, Kaiser Permanente, Lucky Stores, Clorox, and Dreyer’s. Wider Bay Area companies would include BART, Wells Fargo, Supercuts, PG&E, and Bank of America, as well as probably some others not leaping to mind.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 8, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Being interested in?
What does that even mean? Like, realistically?
Sounds like I stand corrected. 2 grocery store chains, a non profit, a government run transit agency, a public utility, a hair cut joint a pizza chain… They are all on record as maybe willing to do something.
...a major oil company, one of the biggest names in household supplies, two huge banks...
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 8, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah companies that made tens of billions in profit
Committed $500K. That’s like one of us flipping a homeless guy a dime.
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by cuppingmaster on Sep 8, 2010 3:46 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Whatever
When last I checked there were 107 fortune 1000 companies in the California, 57 are in the South Bay, 10 are in the East Bay.
How bout the list of 75 companies that just released an open letter to Selig?
Here.
You should read it and notice that they mention they are willing to do what needs to be done to get a stadium built.
Notice, no mention of support for Oakland.
Another thing… San Jose is not a “suburb.” It is the most populated city in all of the Bay Area. It isn’t super dense, but neither is Oakland.
Wow
Do you think this letter an important development?
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by cuppingmaster on Sep 9, 2010 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions
That letter is pretty impressive.
My only quibble is they should have added a bit more about what benefit MLB would gain. It was a little heavy on “this is what it will do for us”, and a little light on “this is what it will do for YOU”.
I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen.
~Bob Lemon, 1981
They do state they'd support both teams
I don’t think Selig really needs to hear anything else from third parties like these guys.
The only way a team could really help them is through cross-promotion
and advertising/sales opportunities. That means money for the MLB teams.
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BLOOM. For men.
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The benefit appears to be implicit in the letter's signatories
In other words, if they allow a park to be built SJ, the A’s and MLB will get SV corporate support. If not, who knows.
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by cuppingmaster on Sep 9, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed, but...
…while it should be obvious what the benefits to MLB would be, and they do hint around at this, sometimes the obvious needs to be hammered away at.
I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen.
~Bob Lemon, 1981
Not the way I would write it either
Then again, I’ve been criticized for being too blunt a writer.
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by cuppingmaster on Sep 9, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I think they have to be careful
not to say “HEY M-F’ers you will say SOOOOOO much more money in SJ than Oakland!!!”
THey also placate, or attempt to, the giants by saying they will continue to supprt the giants (which is what I think the giants are worried about more than losing retired stanford professor Joe winepack from Atherton’s season ticket money).
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
There is a line to tread, sure...
…but I’m thinking of it from a sales pitch analogy.
When you go shopping for a car, does the salesman tell you about how much your sales will mean to them? How their kids will be able to go to private school? No, they don’t. They tell you everything you want to hear about what the car will do for YOU.
If you’re looking at Hondas, they’ll sell you on reliability and safety and tell you how smart you are. If you’re looking at Corvettes they’ll sell you on image and prestige and tell you how smart and sexy you are.
Now, the people at MLB can use job creation info to their PR advantage, but what they’re really concerned with most is dollars in their pockets. Tell them that.
I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen.
~Bob Lemon, 1981
One would think...
…but it’s surprising how often the obvious is ignored unless it’s reinforced, even at the highest levels.
I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen.
~Bob Lemon, 1981
Those are mostly billion-dollar companies you have listed
And they only managed to secure $500K? I was surprised they even published that number to be honest. To me that only speaks to the puny corporate support they have.
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by cuppingmaster on Sep 8, 2010 3:15 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
As I noted before,
and as has been noted widely in the media, the 500K was always a good-faith gesture, a demonstration that companies are interested. Let’s Go Oakland exists to keep driving that number up, and I’m sure we’ll continue to hear more about that effort. That’s not a final tally.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 8, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Still, if you're not actually handing that money over now,
why not tell what you’d really be willing to pay, if it’s supposedly higher?
Some faith
$500K is nothing for any one of those companies, let alone 35 of them.
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by cuppingmaster on Sep 8, 2010 3:40 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
You do realize that one single company in the South Bay
Has put up more than double that number in good faith?
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by DMOAS on Sep 8, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
$500K?
I can’t read this without thinking of the phrase “tiny-ass Korean grocery.”
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Caltrain
Get off work at 5, you have 33 minutes to bus/muni to 4th and King, arrive at Diridon half an hour before the game starts.
then get a hotel room after its over,
I presume after 2018s 3rd championship in a row, Caltrain will add a late night train for going home.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
There have been 3 home games this year that went past 10:30
and I would assume/hope that they’d hold the last train for the conclusion of extra long games.
It is true that you wouldn’t get back until pretty late though since the late trains aren’t express.
DOn't get me wrong, I love public transit
I would love to take the train home even if it were at10:30. I am actually surprised it wold work out. Home games I tune out at 815 or so, so I don’t really know how long then last.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
Most games are a bit under 3 hours
So figure the game’s done about 7. Diridon would be right next to the stadium so it would be a short walk to the train (shorter than ATT to San Francisco Station even)
You can see all the game times the A’s have played here http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/OAK/2010-schedule-scores.shtml
Not only that, but Caltrain currently has specific post-game service for the Gnats
No reason at all to believe they would not do the same for the A’s.
Post-game Service
Weekends & Weeknight games – An express train to San Carlos leaves approximately 15 minutes after the last out or when full and makes all local* stops after San Carlos to San Jose Diridon. A second train will leave 25 minutes after the game or when full and serve all local* stops to San Jose Diridon.
On Fireworks Nights, the express and local trains will depart approximately 15 and 25 minutes, respectively, after the fireworks, or when full.
Of course, the only problem with this is that Caltrain may go broke.
Now there's nothing left to say, so let's go drink beer.
In my case, getting to the occasional game from the Sacramento area might actually become a little easier going to San Jose
Even though it’s 95 miles from here to Oakland and 114 from here to San Jose, not to mention about 20 minutes longer, if I went to San Jose I could just go down 5 or 99 to 205 and 680 instead of dealing with 80, which often stinks to get through.
A two-hour drive to get to a game is tough no matter what, though. That’s one of the negatives about moving away from an area where I was three BART stops from the Coliseum. For what I’m doing, the positives are pretty good though.
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I’ll be sad, but they are my team for life.
'Like' my band. I mean, it'd be awesome if you did that.
I’ll be a fan no matter where they go—Oakland, San Jose, Fremont, Sacramento, wherever. And the Diridon site isn’t bad for East By fans—an hour down the Capitol Corridor from Jack London Square and you’re there.
That said, I have an extremely hard time imagining them playing anywhere but the Coliseum, even if they move to a new Oakland park.
yes, except the capitol corridor isn't an option for night games
But whatever. I had warriors season tix while living in San Jose. Suck it up and make the drive!
by Billy Frijoles on Sep 8, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't vote.
There wasn’t an option for "Yeah, what the hell do you think I’ll do? I don’t want the A’s to go to the South Bay because I don’t want to have to be in the South Bay to watch them play. I do not like it. But you can’t break up with your friends and you can’t abandon your sports teams. Not ’shouldn’t.’ Can’t. I have a friend who cheats on all her boyfriends, and I love a baseball team that wants to play in the suburbs, but I’m not going to turn my back on either one of them. But I will be DAMNED if I’ll ever wear a T-shirt that says “San Jose” on it."
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 7, 2010 11:25 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I think I read at one point that (relatively speaking)
the A’s don’t do so bad on TV compared to the other teams. If that’s true, then I’m hoping that there are other people who don’t go to names now who would be enticed to do so because of a new place, easier for them timewise, NOT in Oakland (like it or not, there’s still a stigma attached to going to Oakland), and other reasons.
I wish and hope that those so fervently anti-SJ like you will come around in a few years once the pain of not having an Oakland team subsides.
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by cuppingmaster on Sep 8, 2010 7:44 AM PDT up reply actions
The A's are my team. They always will be.
But I will never be happy that they moved to a gigantic suburb. And I will never be happy that they left Oakland. The pain of a team leaving is a lot bigger than the joy of a team arriving, and I wonder if the anti-Oaklanders really understand that. A team leaving is a team deciding that your town sucks so much that they couldn’t even try to work it out. Your town wasn’t worth it. What does the arrival of the A’s and 49ers in the South Bay mean to people who live down there? An economic boost (that studies show will never happen)? A potential point of pride over the rest of the Bay Area in their endless vain quest to be taken seriously by the rest of us? A way of finally establishing something remotely resembling a coherent civic identity? Those are dwarfed by the feeling of the last remaining elements of the city you loved being taken away.
We’re not just going to forget what this has felt like just because the A’s might start winning more division titles in the South Bay. We didn’t choose our team by throwing darts at a board, or because Michael Lewis wrote a book about them, or because we liked the colors, or because we liked the players. We chose our team because they were our team, and they were from where we were from.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 8, 2010 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're from Philly?
Cool.
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Oakland Only's
Stop saying the A’s never tried. It has been 15 years, multiple proposals and a ton of indifference from city leaders. And before you mis charachterize this sentence I will point you to 2001 when Steve Schott, the original South Bay Carpet Bagger, offered $100M for a new stadium on the Coliseum grounds. Instead, IDLF countered with “The A’s need to pay a fair rent in the current Coliseum.” The one the city ruined to bring back 10 football games a year.
These, A’s never tried types are almost absurd as the cat at baseballoakland who claims that the playing surface looking like my middle school’s playground is perfectly acceptable. Seriously, take of the Oakland colored glasses and look for a minute. The A’s have been screwed by the City of Oakland.
The City, at this point, isn’t even all in on one site. At least not publicly.
by jeffro on Sep 8, 2010 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
the cat at baseballoakland who claims that the playing surface looking like my middle school’s playground is perfectly acceptable.
Oh…my god.
baseballoakland link
Only one comment on that terrible apologist post for having the A’s play on such an ugly and defaced field.
Genaro said…
What a horrible post and horrible blog. This was my first and last time visiting here. Later!
September 7, 2010 1:06 PM
Sums it up right there.
Now there's nothing left to say, so let's go drink beer.
I think there's plenty of blame to go on all sides
there have also been proposals from Oakland politicians, business people and fans that the A’s would not consider. This has been documented over the years in multiple articles.
that’s not to say that Oakland is blameless…hardly. But, having been an Oakland resident off and on for 20 years – and pretty much full time for 15 years – it would be inaccurate to say that only one side screwed the other.
I am aware of...
No workable proposals from Oakland at all and I have been following this for a loooong time, just like you. The best one got Robert Bobb fired.
Explain what you mean? Schott not showing interest in Uptown? The City wasn’t interested (aforementioned Bobb firing), so maybe they both screwed each other there?
MLB not approving D&P? Maybe there, though I am glad they didn’t. Because they planned on a baseball operations staff that was minus Billy Beane.
But come on… The A’s won a lawsuit against the City over the Coliseum redesign. The A’s business model was destroyed by the return of the Raiders and the City has not put it’s gumption behind a workable plan since. Not once. Not ever. Not even now, when they are floating 3 potential sites rather than one that is workable.
by jeffro on Sep 8, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not disagreeing with the two-sidedness of it
But you hear about those proposals in a vacuum. Odds are over the years they’ve considered a number of various locations and to say just because someone proposed a site doesn’t mean that site was even a valid site. It’s like the A’s selecting a specific location and then saying well the City didn’t help us evict all the residence there.
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Two things
1. You said:
A team leaving is a team deciding that your town sucks so much that they couldn’t even try to work it out. Your town wasn’t worth it.
What if, in the context of stadium development, it does suck that bad? It’s not saying the leaders of Oakland are bad people or its citizens are bad people. Just like in divorce it doesn’t mean you’re villifying the one you’re divorcing, you just don’t fit together.
2. You also said in regards to SJ:
A potential point of pride over the rest of the Bay Area in their endless vain quest to be taken seriously by the rest of us? A way of finally establishing something remotely resembling a coherent civic identity?
This point is no less valid than yours about Oakland. Who ever thought that hockey would succeed to these levels in SJ? The city is freaking rabid for the Sharks. Having an MLB team, to them, makes them more big time even though there are most populous city in the Bay Area.
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by cuppingmaster on Sep 8, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
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What if, in the context of stadium development, it does suck that bad?
If it does suck that bad, it’s only because Lew engineered it that way. Of course San Jose works better; Lew’s offering the build the stadium with his own money! That offer was never made to Oakland, not even by Schott (he only offered 25%.)
Just like in divorce it doesn’t mean you’re villifying the one you’re divorcing, you just don’t fit together.
Try to sell that line to the person being dumped.
Having an MLB team, to them, makes them more big time even though there are most populous city in the Bay Area.
They might think so, but it won’t. Does anyone really care about the Tampa Bay Area because they have sports teams? If you care about Tampa, it’s not because of the Rays and the Bucs.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 8, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Yea, but you aren't being dumped. Oakland is.
And they didn’t even really care about the relationship until the A’s said they were leaving.
That is a massive oversimplification.
For a variety of reasons, I cannot make it work in the East Bay right now. I can’t. Not “don’t want to.” Not “it would be some hard work.” I can’t. The A’s can’t say the same.
And yes, Oakland cared. It’s disingenuous to suggest that Oakland didn’t care. Proposals were made and considered by both sides. At various times, it’s been the city at fault, and at various times it’s been the team, but one thing has always been true: the team never offered to pay 100% of the costs of a stadium in Oakland.
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by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 8, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes they did
Since Wolff got involved it’s always been about private funding. Yeah, he wanted to make it work using zoning statuses and using real estate to pull that off, but he wasn’t asking for city money to make that work.
And just because it could work in Oakland, doesn’t mean for the sake of their long term viability they should. Just like the divorce analogy, just because a couple can work something out and be together forever, doesn’t mean they wouldn’t both be better off without each other. Sometimes relationships just need to end, even when there’s love involved, one person can just be wrong for the other. I’ve known several people who have struggled to accept that reality. And in this case when there’s kids involved (namely the citizens of Oakland) it’s just that much harder even if it’s for the best. It’s always sad, but it’s just a reality of life.
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It's not just that it could work in Oakland.
It could work in Oakland just as well as it could work in San Jose.
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by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 8, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
How?
Where is the plan?
We all know what the plan is in San Jose. It’s been public for a looooong time. The site, the money to buy it up, the plan to lease it back to the A’s. It’s all square and in the public eye.
The financing portion is even more clear with a Cisco naming rights deal bringing $130M.
There is no naming rights sponsor in Oakland. The companies you mentioned above aren’t nearly enough to make it work. So where is the money going to come from? Who is going to pay $130M for a stadium named after them in Oakland? If it is less than that, how are they going to make up the difference?
These lame blanket statements by Oakland Only supporters get tiresome.
I would be 100% satisfied if the A’s played at Victory Court or JLS, less satisfied at Howard Terminal, even less satisfied if it was at the Coliseum grounds, but still satisfied. But no plan for any of this stuff exists.
Oakland supporters main arguments are emotional, not logical. You can’t say something would work when you don’t even know what that something is other than “my hometown deserves the team.”
You're confusing my arguments with my feelings.
Oakland supporters main arguments are emotional, not logical. You can’t say something would work when you don’t even know what that something is other than "my hometown deserves the team."
That’s not my argument. It’s why I won’t be happy when they move.
My argument is that Lew didn’t make more than a token effort to keep the team in Oakland, and that if he had, he would have been successful. My feelings are that I will never forgive him for taking my team away from where I feel it belongs, and that I will be very sad when they leave.
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by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 8, 2010 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I haven't seen any evidence that Wolff "would have been successful if he made any more than a token effort"
You seem determined to blame only one side for this.
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Naming rights are a big deal anymore.
They’re not a given like they were 10 yrs ago.
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~Bob Lemon, 1981
Um, Lew did offer to build it in Oakland with his own money
In the same setup as he tried in Fremont and San Jose. What are you talking about?
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Is there a link to this?
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by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 8, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
to be more articulate
he Coliseum North plan (as it was called) had two main components to financing the place. They wouldn’t work right now in Oakland, Fremont or San Jose.
Lew Wolff would buy the land, then zoned commercially, and Oakland would rezone it as mixed use, increasing the value. Next, he would develop portions of it with condos/a sports and entertainment district. He would sell rights to develop the rest within the context of the approved plan.
Selling the condo’s and the land to developers for similarly urban themed development would result in a large chunk of the money needed to build the joint.
The problems were numerous land owners (same thing exists at the current JLS site). Oakland wasn’t willing to push to get the land on behalf of the A’s.
So why would they turn around and claim that they'll push to get the land now?
Isn’t that what they are saying when they propose those Oakland sites?
Wasn't willing to push?
As in eminent domain? I thought Lew was on record as being opposed to using eminent domain to get a ballpark?
While we’re on the subject of troublesome landowners, isn’t it almost etched in stone that AT&T won’t give up its land in the middle of the SJ site without eminent domain being used?
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by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 8, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't believe it ever got to eminent domain
The CEDA would have purchased the land at fair market rate. The landowners didn’t want to sell for fair market rate, they wanted to sell for what the land would have been worth after rezoning.
The AT&T thing, not sure if they will or won’t. It is pretty much standard proceudre to say “We won’t move” as a negotiating tactic. They’d be dumb not too, because in reality… It isn’t up to Lew Wolff if ED is used or not. It’s up the San Jose, and they already have made it clear that they will.
It appears that the AT&T site is a maintenance yard for their vehicles
Not a switching station, which would be tremendously more expensive to move. Like jeffro said, they’d be dumb not to move it if they were offered more than it’s worth.
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by cuppingmaster on Sep 8, 2010 3:51 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Or if they are offered what it is really worth
ED proceedings start and AT&T is gone. They can fight what the proposed value is, but that is really it.
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Shit, maybe we could just slap a mod’s sig on this poll and post it on the front page! Weeeeeee! San Jose is teh awesome!!!
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I'm up here in Vancouver, I just want green collar baseball
100% Athletics, 100% Baseball. 2009 Athletics, 40% Baseball.
Don't you have jr Green Collar baseball?
The Canadians are the only MLB affiliated team left in Canada other than Toronto of course. And they’re pretty fun to watch too as I recall. Plus talk about a beautiful place to see a game with the park in the outfield.
I'm in East Contra Costa County
And yeah, I’ll still support the A’s in San Jose. Isn’t this the fanhood that has been trained to “root for the laundry”? How about the name on the front of the jersey?
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I think that most current A's fans will remain A's fans
but I think the real question will be the next generation of fans. For me, the reason I became an A’s fan is because I grew up in Concord and my parents (neither of whom are from the Bay Area) took me to A’s games because Oakland was closer than SF. I think that if the A’s move to SJ, we’ll see a shift in the fanbase to where there’s more A’s fans in the South Bay and less in the East Bay where it’s easier to get to SF than SJ.
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by Where's My Burrito? on Sep 8, 2010 11:55 AM PDT reply actions
No doubt
"The A's get some action but they do not score..." -Glen Kuiper
"Anyone who calls themselves the Angels Angels should have to start over and ride the short bus." -timmeh from McCovey Chronicles
In what world is it easier to get to SF? Getting to SF is a friggin nightmare.
Pam liked my old sig better.
Embarcadero is really close. You switch to Muni and there's a train ready to take you the rest of the way.
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by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 8, 2010 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I took it the other day. And walked.
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by Leopold Bloom on Sep 9, 2010 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions
definitely
it’d be ideal if the a’s stayed in oakland, but look at the product on the field. we’re a shoestring organization. if moving to san jose helps us with revenue which lets us actually keep a few players over time and not depend on mediocre hitters like kevin kouzmanoff to save our offense, i’m all for it. the idea of maybe having a $70m annual payroll is intoxicating to think about, considering our many cheap young pitchers.
Anybody on the fence or anti-San Jose
needed to be out at the Coliseum last night with me and about 3,000 of my friends.
The team really, really needs a stadium in San Jose.
I've been looking forward to them moving down to San Jose for a while
I really hope it will happen. Not that I mind so much heading up to Oakland for a game now and then, but I think in San Jose I’ll at least get partial season tickets. I think any new ballpark for the A’s I’d attend more games as it’s just sad somedays to go out to watch the A’s. I want to support them more, and would hope others would too, but just seems like it’s not happenning in their current situation.
I’m a little skeptical though about the team maintaining a competitive budget, even with a move. Seems like the team won’t spend any money. Maybe they just don’t believe Oakland is a draw for free agents, but it’s tough to see so much turnover to the point where I recognize so few players when I do go (yes I’m more of a casual A’s supporter than a fan).
Almost seems like they’ve been on cruise control for at least 5 years waiting for something to happen.
Winners always have high expectations...losers whine about schedules (or blame Dorrell).
I grew up yelling "LETS GO OAKLAND"
If there is no more Oakland, it just won’t be the same.
One of my best friends was a diehard Expos fan, he became a Red Sox fan because he was living in Boston at the time when the Expos moved and changed names. He hates the Nationals with a passion. I won’t hate the “whatever” Athletics, but they won’t be my team. I have no idea what team I’ll follow, maybe no team and just pick a team to support when Im watching whatever game is on, but Oakland moving is not something I’m looking forward to. 25 years of fandom, that’s not something you can walk away from easily…..
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
by PL78 on Sep 8, 2010 7:34 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
You DO tealize that "Let's Go Oakland"...
…is a recent thing?
And worse yet, a Yankees thing? Wanna go retro? We chanted “Let’s Go A’s” back in the day.
by HCF from Oakball on Sep 8, 2010 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm down for "Let's Go A's."
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by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 8, 2010 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Atta Girl!
I wish it would make a big comeback. I’m not a big fan of the modified Yankees chant.
by HCF from Oakball on Sep 9, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions
what the hell are you talking about
“yankees” thing? We chant our TOWN not the team name. And I did it in the early 90s.
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
He's talking about the modified two-syllable chant as opposed to the single-syllable "A's"
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Let's go...
South Bay?! :O
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by ST on Sep 9, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
It si the same chant in almost every stadium
Only “Oak-Land” replaces “Yank-ees” or “Red Sox” or “Gi-ants” or (insert two syllable team name here). The reason it is Oakland, in my opinion, is because it sounds better than “A-yees”
Yep
“Let’s Go A’s” was always more of a clap-clap-clap, clap-clap-clap thing.
The “Let’s Go” 3-4 organ bit would always include the clap, clap, clapclapclap part after.
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They work well together though, in a competing fashion.
Let’s Go Yank-ees! (Let’s Go A’s!)
by LoneStranger on Sep 9, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Except when the Yankees cheer is louder and we're at the Coliseum.
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by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 9, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I always liked the dueling chant
Let’s Go Yank-ees! (Yankees Suck!)
Or the combined Let’s Go Oak-land! (Yankees Suck!)
Wow! The EARLY 90's!?
I’m impressed.
I heard “Let’s go, Yank-ees” the first time I went to see the A’s at Yankees Stadium, in 1982. As kids, we chanted “Let’s Go A’s” in the 70s.
THAT’s what the hell I’m talking about.
by HCF from Oakball on Sep 9, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup, the early 90s were 20 years ago
Thats a pretty long time.
-Yeah, I just posted that, but my opinion is apparently "wrong" a significant portion of the time though, so take it as you will.
36.5 miles
The A’s would be moving less than 40 miles down a major freeway to another major city in the same metro area. This isn’t the Expos moving 590 miles to Washington DC or the Sonics moving 2000 miles to OKC. This is the Pistons moving from Detroit to Auburn Hills.
no, no it's not.
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by Leopold Bloom on Sep 9, 2010 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes it is.
Like the Warriors moving from San Francisco to Oakland this is just the A’s moving from one of the Big 3 Bay Area cities to another.
It is a bit more than that, but not much
Although, I wonder if from a driving distance perspective… The Cow Palace isn’t just as far away from the Coliseums as Diridon is.
A bit farther as the car drives
Coleseum → Diridon is about 15 miles more of driving than Cow Palace → Arena
and the expos move was really dickish
just MLB doing things soullessly and wrong.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
Wait, why?
Montreal really didn’t want that team anymore. The stadium was/is literally falling apart. The only thing they did wrong was try to play cities against each other to spend money that MLB should have been spending themselves to build the stadium in whatever city they chose. Oh. Yeah, that is pretty dickish and soulless and wrong. Never mind.
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Thats it.
There were 223 people going to expos games at the end. Olympic stadium was really bad, I didn’t like the way Washington was picked.
I think I hate the name “Nationals” and their color scheme, which adds to my dislike of the move. But I really don’t like building stadiums on the back of taxpayers and the way MLB went about it, it came down to the people of DC (unrepresented in congress) paying peter angelos to allow the taxpayers of DC to pay for a stadium that is too expensive for the majority of the residence of DC to enter.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
Yeah
Right there with you on that being really, really fucked up. No city should pay to build a stadium, ever. At most they should support the build and help with transportation/parking issues since that doesn’t just affects fans but everyone in the area. But the stadium itself? You’re on your own to finance and build it.
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I'll attend the inaugural opener...
…beyond that, my interest in the AL will go back to where it was before moving back to Oakland; that is to say, about zero. Other than the handful of years in Oakland as a kid, I’ve only had access to the NL.
There should be an option for “Gee, a salary cap would make this suddenly discussion irrelevant.”
"With Chance on first, and Evers on third,
Great things from the Cubs will soon be heard."
A salary cap would only make this discussion irrelevant if you believed that Lew's reason for moving is so he can make more money and spend more money.
He could spend more money now. The Rays’ payroll is currently well above their revenue stream. Because they care about winning.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 9, 2010 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Ahem. Lew _could_ spend a lot more money,
but that doesn’t make sense because he’d eventually run out of money.
by LoneStranger on Sep 9, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Lew's a wealthy man.
If he and Fischer spend $10 million above the team’s revenue stream every year, I’m thinking they’ll be OK.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 9, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
if he doens't have $10, he ca't buy resume paper and can't get a job.
Just give him $10.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
Yeah, that's unsustainable for them
They won’t do it forever.
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by cuppingmaster on Sep 9, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
The exodus in Tampa Bay begins in T-Minus 3 months
Also, Maury Brown on his bizofbaseball.com site had a great review of how spending more makes sense if you have a shot at the playoffs, because playoff money can make up for the difference.
It isn’t just winning, it is winning and making more money to pay back to overspend.
And Lew Wolff authorized an $80M payroll a few years back for the very same reason. The A’s had a legit shot at winning and making the money back in the post season. Not so much right now.
I expect in the next couple of years, when it is realistic to talk about playoffs, more money for the 2nd half of a season will happen.
Look at how close we're going to have ended up coming to the division title.
We’ll probably lose by like four games. And this wasn’t the year to spend a few extra bucks?
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 9, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Not really the year, no
Look what happened when Beane bit and got Holliday during a year when the team really wasn’t built to contend.
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Um...
They tired to spend a few extra bucks and didn’t get the players they were going for. In some cases while offering more money.
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Eh?
Because they care about winning.
Didn’t we just have multiple discussion on getting Crawford in the offseason, because the Rays can’t afford to keep him?
And how many years have the Rays tanked it so they can continually get #1 picks like Price, Longoria, Beckham, Hamilton, etc.?
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
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"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 9, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
the Rays
are going for it all this year, that is why their payroll is above their revenue stream. With that said, they won’t be able to re-sign several of their top Free Agents because of it.
If the Rays really care about winning like you say, they would re-sign all of their stud Free Agents next year.
by sf drift king on Sep 9, 2010 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions
IS this where I advocate for the immediate return of the Oaks?
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
That would rock.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Can we bring our AA team out here from Midland?
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We can do whatever you want.
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No
Because there is no AA league for them to play in. But an A Ball team, think something like the Brooklyn Cyclones would make a great deal of sense in the event the A’s aren’t in town. Both the A’s and Giants should consider it.
I wrote this stuff about how Regionality could become the next revenue stream for big league clubs, here and here.
We should sell Oakland to the Dodgers' A-ball team.
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~Bob Lemon, 1981
That's sad
It’d be nice to be able to have all of the A’s farm teams in the area. I do remember your discussion about having multiple teams and cross promotions, but allowing players to live in one area and then be able to move about the system without having to uproot themselves (and/or their families) each time would be pretty awesome.
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Sacramento, Midland and Stockton are still only a portion of them
There’s still Kane County and Vancouver, plus the AZL team if you count them too.
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Well, right
But having the 3 highest levels (maybe even 4 at some point) closest to the MLB team would be pretty good. Yeah, you’re going to have several of the lowest levels away, but once you reach a certain plateau, you’d be in one single area.
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It'd be nice for the A's, but it'd make travel hell on the minor leaguers
Absolute hell, in fact. In the California League and Texas League most of the time they’re taking buses as far as I know. In fact, most of the leagues below Triple-A are close enough that they’re probably taking buses more than planes.
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Right
When I first proposed it, I didn’t realize that the entirety of AA was centered around Texas. So pipe dreaming that’s never going to happen. Just would be a nice a little thing. Maybe for someone like the Rangers, Astros or some mid-West team.
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Well, there are actually three Double-A leagues
Texas League, which is now four teams in Texas along with four more in adjacent states (so there would probably be some short flights)
Eastern League, which is more Northeast
Southern League, which is about where you’d imagine
Still pretty localized for each, relatively speaking.
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Indeed
And it’s not economically feasible for the minor league owners for teams to concentrate 3 or 4 levels of minor leagues in a single area. 2, OK. And it would be nice if they were a bit more contiguous (so people don’t have to move from California to Texas back to California). But that’s about as far as it goes.
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I'm not necessarily disagreeing
Particularly given how the leagues are currently set up. But why would you say that it wouldn’t be economically feasible? Particularly if there are already teams in the area. I mean, you wouldn’t want them all bunched up in one location. But 2 or 3 hours North, South, West and East, that would make sense. More than that, and you’re competing too much. I doubt that would sap much of anything from the big team. In the A’s current setup, I could see a team north of Santa Rosa, a team in Sac, a team in San Jose and team in Stockton working just fine.
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yaaaaay.
We bring four World Championships to the Bay Area and we’re rewarded with single-A. Nope, this isn’t just another manifestation of the Bay Area’s longstanding hatred of Oakland.
Not at all.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 9, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
You are a tired and sad guy/gal
I was born in Oakland and have nothing but love for the City. My love for the city and the team are separate. You should get over your inferiority complex and grow up.
Wow... just... wow.
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"We"
What position did you play?
"Ain't no man can avoid being born average, but there ain't no man got to be common." - Satchel Paige
what position did the city of oakland play
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05
I don't know about the rest of you, but I p'itched.
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I was thinking phucking itched
But I like your’s better.
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ROFLMAO
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 9, 2010 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Is that near Mr. Roger's neighborhood?
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You mean the rail bridge?
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Wouldn't want to go over there at night...
Heard some gunshots coming from that direction when I was in line for that movie they were filming up there last month at the Coliseum…
I'm all for a minor-league team in Oakland if the A's leave
Golden Baseball League would be fine, too. I could see myself going to 20-25 Oaks games a year (which is generally how many A’s games I go to now) and maybe one or two trips to San Jose…in the spring, when it’s cool enough.
I’m not saying “hell, no, I won’t go” (although I voted that way in the poll because it was the closest thing to my opinion), but I doubt very much that a San Jose club would keep my season tickets or my interest. It’s not just because I’d have a bad taste in my mouth about the way Wolff and company have conducted themselves — although I do. It’s that I don’t think a San Jose ballpark would be any fun to go to.
The talent on the field might be higher-priced, but the people who you’re spending the day with when you go to the park are the other fans. San Jose may have lots of corporate money, but corporate guests and management making deals don’t make for good fans in the stands, as anyone who’s been to AT&T Park can attest. Greater Oakland, encompassing Emeryville, Berkeley, Albany, Alameda, El Cerrito, Richmond, San Leandro, and Hayward as well as Oakland proper, became the center of what’s cool and hip and cutting-edge in the Bay Area once the artists and creative types got priced out of San Francisco. It’s that energy and the diversity of income, races, backgrounds that populates the bleachers and the Value Deck and the parking lot of the Coliseum. And I know there won’t be tailgating and we’ll have to buy tickets weeks in advance in the new ballpark even if it’s in Oakland, and that will suck. But if the new park doesn’t have flag-waving, drum-beating fanatics who bleed green and gold who’ve brought a bag of cookies from Grocery Outlet to share with everyone in their section, then I say to hell with it.
It's the fans that make the game fun. -- Rickey Henderson, July 26, 2009.
by Englishmajor on Sep 9, 2010 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Those fanatics are going to be there either way, I suspect
Either way, I hope you come around EM. The A’s need fans no matter what. You’re right, though; this franchise is going to be different post-stadium. New fans will come, new relationships will be formed, and some will be lost. It’s just a time thing.
I know what worries me most about Oakland (and to a large extent why I’m mostly in the SJ camp) is that I see a high likelihood of Oakland becoming Pittsburgh. A great new stadium that people still don’t go to. A city that has had good times in the past, and can get back there, but is on the skids now. Who knows what the future of that franchise is, but it appears insecure. I want the A’s to be a stable as possible, and to me that’s in SJ.
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by cuppingmaster on Sep 9, 2010 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions
they would have to tarp off 80% of the remaining seats
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones."
-BB 07/27/05
Tarp off the 3rd deck.
Tarp off the 2nd deck. Tarp off the back part of the 1st deck and the bleachers and you’re good to go!
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The A's could have done that last night and would have still had empty seats.
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WHAT!? HE SAID HE DIDN'T BITE THE HEADS OFF THOSE PIGEONS!
by LoneStranger on Sep 10, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
LEW WOLFF IS OZZIE OSBOURNE!? HE LIED TO ME!
by LoneStranger on Sep 10, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
WOLFF LIED PIGEONS DIED
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by Flashfire on Sep 10, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
ROFLMAO!
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
And there in lies the A's problem
They’re fielding a good team this year… and still no one shows up. They’re having to lie to claim they had 10k in attendance. I mean we’re starting to make the Montreal Expos look like they were popular. It’s more like Oakland lied, they never tried to come out to games… It’s pathetic. The A’s deserve better than the “effort” they’re getting from Oakland to come out to games.
They're not fielding a good team
They’re fielding as much of a .500 team as there can be that gets by on pitching and defense with very little offense.
And it’s not a lie to say 10k in attendance because it’s based on paid-for tickets. That’s how EVERY team counts it.
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Actually it's "tickets distributed"
That includes giveaways. And yes every team counts them that way, but I suspect based in seeing the crowds at the Coliseum that they have a far greater percentage of green plastic fans that look alot like seats filling part of that 10k number than most do proportionally.
hehe
Oakland lied, they never tried to come out to games
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 9, 2010 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
They'd have the biggest stadium in minor league ball.
I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen.
~Bob Lemon, 1981
Enough of all of this bullshit
Just build the stadium and move the team already! C’mon Bud, pull your head out of your ass and get the A’s the approval they need so they can start making plans to keep their home grown stars, sign some premium FA’s, and not have to play second fiddle to the damned Giants anymore!
Go As’!
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by mrod on Sep 9, 2010 4:53 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I think he's waiting for the season to end
Then he’ll make his big decision in the off season either right before the stadium vote in San Jose to give it a last minute boost, or after the vote to see if there will be a stadium there waiting for him.
Will I be a San Jose A's fan?
I will always be a A’s fan, but I probably wont go to many games if they play in San Jose, which will never get off the ground anyway with territorial rights and league issues. Why do we have to keep pushing for San Jose, move on so we can get this stadium started….San Jose has a lot of people, but San Jose is Giants fan base, plus there is nothing there. When I HAVE to drive through San Jose all I think about is getting out of there early so I don’t have to get stuck in that bumper to bumper traffic. Thats all San Jose has to offer. Lew Wolff, be smart choose a central location like in the 580/680 corridor, its a beautiful safe area, restaurants, movie theaters, and the people living their have money to spend. Heck most of the A’s live there. Besides the season ticket holders you will always have a big walk in crowd which you dont get in Oakland. Its also a Soccer crazed area, you will get the best of both worlds. A central located stadium in this area will make going to the games easier and will attract fans from all around. At&t is a beautiful park but not easy to get to if you live in the East Bay. Lets go Lew, lets get er done, I want to see you in the seats again, I know your a fan.
Uh, the 880/580/680 corridor probably has the worst traffic in the bay area.
SJ’s 280/101 traffic is relatively tame in comparison.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
worst traffic? I guess you never been on 80/580 in the morning
Yea I also just love sitting on 101 for an hour for that 8 mile stretch from Bernal to 280, which I have to drive 3 times a week. Yes I do agree that 880/238 is bad, but thats not the 580/680 corridor which is near Dublin Pleasanton Livermore.
by Green and Goald on Sep 9, 2010 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions
580/680
Where the two meet is the worst traffic in the Bay Area. That isn’t just an observation, that is reality. Do a freaking google search, it’s easy enough.
Or, get in your car and try to drive from Castro Valley to Tracy on any random weekday afternoon starting at 3 and ending at 7… You will sit in traffic for hours.
I grew up a die-hard A's fan in San Jose
I remain a die-hard A’s fan now, in Sacramento. I’ll love the A’s as long as they’re in the bay area.
I just want to A’s to be anywhere in the Bay Area where they can get a beautiful ballpark and a decent cash flow (from fans and corporate support) so they can consistently maintain a decent payroll. If the A’s can get a park in Oakland, I’ll drive or BART out to Oakland for a few games, just like I do now. If they move to San Jose, they’ll be closer to my parents, and I’ll probably split season tickets with my brother. The main reason I think the A’s should stay in Oakland is for the community, which I think needs the jobs and the morale. Not for “culture” or the skyline or any sense of urban superiority.
That being said, San Jose has put together a strong, coherent, and viable plan. It’s put together visible public and private support. As a fan who just wants some security for the A’s somewhere in the bay area, I can’t blame the A’s for going where they’re clearly wanted and to a place that has it’s act together (i.e., a local government that knows how to get things done). It’s really up to Oakland to make it worth it for the A’s to stay.
For me,
the name means a lot! The Oakland A’s sounds a lot better than the San Jose A’s. With them in SJ and prob with new jerseys, ect, I can’t guarantee that I’ll be forever loyal like I am now to the Oakland A’s. But with that said, I’ll still pull for them for the time being, but probably won’t be a season ticket holder and I won’t be going to as many games. A lot depends on how the transition is handled. I don’t see myself driving an hour or taking a slow ass train that gets delayed from time to time due to human tragedy to watch a baseball game unless it’s a high profile game. So I may go to 8-10 games p/year instead of the 35 or so I attend now.
I will never, I repeat, NEVER pull for the gnats. I use to get free tix all the time, and live walking distance to their stadium and still won’t go.
Forty-three years ago, some sat in their Kansas City home and said
The Kansas City A’s sounds a lot better than the Oakland A’s.
by LoneStranger on Sep 10, 2010 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions
During the same time
Someone sat in their Philly home and said, “Fuck, they’re leaving KC? Why the hell aren’t they comin’ back here? ‘Oakland?’ Seriously? ‘Oakland?’ What is this world coming to?”
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I'm sure there are St Louis Browns fans somewhere...
…who refuse to accept the reality of the Baltimore Orioles.
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~Bob Lemon, 1981
What about Baltimore Orioles fans who refuse to accept the New York Yankees?
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Wish they kept the Highlanders nickname though.
I’d have more respect for the organization.
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Problem was they moved off the "Highlands"
When they moved into Yankee Stadium
by athletics68 on Sep 10, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I wasn't aware that Utah was a hotbed for jazz, also.
I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen.
~Bob Lemon, 1981
Which is why the Lakers should have moved to Utah...
…and called themselves the Salt Lakers.
Or, the Salt Lake Ers.
I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen.
~Bob Lemon, 1981
I don't see how this is a problem?
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What about the Seattle fans who refuse to accept the Milwaukee Brewers?
by athletics68 on Sep 10, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
funny, then why did they [ut a brewers logo in front of safeco?

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...or the Milwaukee Brewers fans who refused to accept the St Louis Browns?
Most people aren’t aware of stuff that far back. Most people aren’t even aware of the St Louis Browns.
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Or that the Braves used to have 5 or 6 previous names before settling on the Braves.
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Several teams had different names.
I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen.
~Bob Lemon, 1981
None of the options quite apply to me --
More something along the lines of “I’ll still love the A’s because, well, they’re THE A’S, but I won’t be too happy about it.” They’re tattooed on my heart, I can’t and won’t get rid of that, but it’ll still make me cranky and making this face a lot: >:-| Acceptance will come if they get a championship the first year in the new park. That’s my demand, it’s not so much, is it?
I’ll probably manage to get to 2-3 games per season. Maybe more if I get there and head out in the bleachers I feel like I’m among the crazies again and it feels awesome and good and loud and fantastic and the garlic fries are crispier than ever. Maybe a few less if I go to the game and there’s a wine list at my seat like across the Bay. Also depending how much they gouge us for tickets.
I’ll always follow them on TV, I’ll always love them, but my ability to go to games will definitely go down when I can’t get there in a reasonable amount of time after work. And I sure as hell won’t be spending money on merch with San Jose on it, I’ll blow a ton of money on all the for-sale Oakland A’s shirts before they move so I am guaranteed to have a supply to last the rest of my life.
And I’ll probably be bitter and drunk for awhile. For me, my life as a fan has never been about being objective, it’s been about blood and passion and bull-headed pride that lets me love guys absolutely and completely even when they’re doing badly, that lets the box scores determine my mood the next day, that lets me love the little guys like Mike Neu that I refuse to let go from memory. I was born in the East Bay, I am fiercely loyal to the East Bay, and I connect that loyalty to the A’s. While I’ll love them wherever, I worry the fierceness of my passion for the team will cool a little when there in a place that I just… don’t have that connection to.
It’s like having a passionate-yet-volatile relationship with someone, you finally go your separate ways, and then you run into each other at a party and s/he’s got someone hotter, younger, and richer than you on their arm, so you spend the whole night wanting to shank them with a broken beer bottle. It’s awkward and weird but eventually you get over it and all go to the bar together and the piano wire fantasies only occur on occasion.
Some of my best memories are of spontaneous trips to the Coliseum, of being surrounded by ridiculous and loud and fantastic Oakland faithful, of just being a part of something incredible. I don’t want us to have a transition from enthusiasm and passion to polite applause and pointless distractions like That Other Team experienced. I know that the stadium situation is to most a necessity, but I’ve always hated change, so it doesn’t mean I have to be pleased about acknowledging it.
It just sucks that the team has to move once again, four times in a hundred years is a hell of a lot in this game. In a game that venerates history, a game where fans can be measured in their generations, and our team seems destined to be a nomad. Which is definitely not the way to have the kind of long term fanbase that passes through generation after generation. It all just makes me feel very sad and very worn down at the end of the day, I guess.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
And by four, I mean be in four locations, not moving four times, my brain hurts at night.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

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