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A's Get "Productive Out"-ed to Death in 4-2 Loss to Angels

The Angels offense had next to no power tonight, but it was enough, as they nickel-and-dimed the A's to victory tonight. Two of the four runs that the Angels scored were came off of a productive out, and the Angels hit one extra base hit all night.

Dan Haren wasn't great, but he was good enough, scattering six hits over six innings and allowing two runs. His one blemish was a game-tying solo shot off of the bat of Kevin Kouzmanoff. With that home run, by the way, Kouz extended his lead as the A's home run leader with a whopping 15. That total is the lowest by an Oakland home run leader in about three hundred years. I think.

Dallas Braden wasn't as sharp as Haren, but he was far more efficient, which has been Braden's hallmark. Unfortunately, his efficiency came tonight with a lot of mistake pitches, and the Angels were able to line baseballs behind the infield all night. Aside from Torii Hunter's home run in the second inning, all of the rest of the ten hits allowed by Dallas were singles. And yet, nine singles will lose a game. Until next time, Dallas.

On that note, it's my turn to retire from managing gamethreads this season. See you in 2011!


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is it just me, or have the A's wilted at the end of the season in the Geren Era?

might be injuries, overwork…
But seems like capitulation.
Seattle manages to beat Texas somehow, but the A’s are in extended Spring Training.

by MobiusKlein on Sep 28, 2010 10:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Pathetic.

If they lose 10 in a row to end the season, it will just be par for the course.

I am counting the days until Cust is gone, just counting them… his ABs half the time seem like he’s not even there. If you’re ownership and you can’t see that this whole offense needs to be completely remade, then I give up, what’s the point? Why care so much about something that the people that run it don’t see the need for change and seize it?

Looking at Braden staring into space in the dugout, you can just see that these pitchers go out trying to be perfect and believing that if the other team scores it’s all over… WTF is that? He has a 3.50 ERA and he’s 10-14. Our lineup is scrap crap, just people that played themselves out of baseball and would not make it on any other MLB team, not a chance.

I’m ready for total change, keep as many pitchers as you can and blow the offense up, all of it except Pennington and Barton if you ask me.

Silence s'il vous plait!! Vous ne voyez pas que je suis en train de se masturber?!?

by emperor nobody on Sep 28, 2010 10:13 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm ready for a lot of these guys

to be not here 3/3 of the time in 2011.

Silence s'il vous plait!! Vous ne voyez pas que je suis en train de se masturber?!?

by emperor nobody on Sep 28, 2010 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Take a deep breath

Try looking at it this way: they’re 3 games worse than their Pythagorean record. Add those wins, plus a full season of Sweeney, Crisp, Jackson, and Hermida, plus Devine and Outman, and this is probably close to an 85-88 win team. Add one big bat (possibly Carter next year?), and you’re knocking on the door of the playoffs.

by ozzman99 on Sep 28, 2010 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

So...my optimism should rest on the idea of the A's having

more of Sweeney, Jackson, and Hermida? NOW I’m depressed.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 28, 2010 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

It beats Rajai and Carson, doesn't it?

All 3 of those guys are talented enough and young enough that I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect them to improve this team. Granted, there are no Pujols among them, but then again, there are no Pujols outside of St. Louis. Besides, I don’t think the A’s need a Pujols to make the playoffs. A league average offense would do the trick, and those guys are capable of providing that, or close to it. I think.

by ozzman99 on Sep 28, 2010 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

doesn't always work for St. Louis

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes

by Future Ed on Sep 28, 2010 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

What I'm ready for is for Cust not to be focal in the middle of the order

Get me two good hitters for the middle of the order and Cust complements them nicely. As is…gak.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 28, 2010 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can never make up my mind on Cust

In my head, I think he’s a great bargain and I don’t see how you can upgrade with spending a LOT of money. In my heart, he drives me freaking crazy with the K’s and the singles.

by ozzman99 on Sep 28, 2010 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Try this for a second.

Instead of pretending that Jack Cust is a 30+ homer guy who should have 120 RBI or whatever…

Pretend he’s a #2 hitter who sees a TON of pitches per at bat (allowing the leadoff hitter to swipe bags), hardly ever grounds into double plays (5 this year!), and gets on base a TON (.400 OBP) so that the middle of the order has ducks on the pond more often than not.

Oh, and he makes less money than Bobby freaking Seay does this year.

Pam liked my old sig better.

by mikev on Sep 28, 2010 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Five.

Pam liked my old sig better.

by mikev on Sep 28, 2010 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

5?

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes

by Future Ed on Sep 28, 2010 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

cinco.

Pam liked my old sig better.

by mikev on Sep 29, 2010 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

...

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Sep 29, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fem.

A's Fan in Sweden

"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime

by travdog6 on Sep 29, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pretending is fun.

The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09

by pam5981 on Sep 28, 2010 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

it can be.

Pam liked my old sig better.

by mikev on Sep 28, 2010 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I couldn't care less about RBI

And I can’t make a logical argument against anything you said. I also can’t help but have an emotional reaction to the strikeouts and the lack of home runs. I’m not saying that I’m right, or that the team should dump him for those reasons. As I said, I think he’s a tremendous bargain. I love his OBP, and I wish they had the hitters behind him to translate that into more runs. But every now and then he has a game where he k’s 3 times and I just wonder if they should go ahead and turn the DH spot over to Carter right now and get it over with.

by ozzman99 on Sep 28, 2010 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

He would be a better #2 hitter

with Barton hitting 3rd as far as this year was concerned right?

by Trainman on Sep 28, 2010 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure

Pam liked my old sig better.

by mikev on Sep 28, 2010 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's cute that you consider Pennington "offense"

I hate to be THAT guy, but…

Pennington this year when people love him: .686 OPS
Bobby Crosby, 2003-2009 with Oakland: .683 OPS

Pam liked my old sig better.

by mikev on Sep 28, 2010 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Penny's kinda like Scutaro

He has these hot streaks from time to time that totally make you forget about the stretches where he can’t get on base to save his life.

by ozzman99 on Sep 28, 2010 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't keep Pennington just for his offense

I keep him for his whole game.

Silence s'il vous plait!! Vous ne voyez pas que je suis en train de se masturber?!?

by emperor nobody on Sep 28, 2010 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Biiiiiig difference in OPS and wOBA there.

Crosby has a career wOBA under .300, and that’s including his very good first two seasons. Pennington? .314 this year. And that’s not including defense.

by danmerqury on Sep 28, 2010 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

SB are sexy

So’s health, for that matter.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Sep 28, 2010 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't think you have to count much longer

.400 OBP and all, I don’t see him here next year. If he is then he needs to be hitting behind a couple of bats that need to come via free agency or trade.

The pitchers on our team should bean their own hitters for the most part.

I have never seen a team lead the league in BA and be below .500. Maybe there have been but Billy should be embarrassed to trot this garbage out there.

by Trainman on Sep 28, 2010 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Our team hides when there are runners in scoring position

They get worse by alike 15 points.

What is your theory on that? A hitter be better with runners on, one would think.

by Trainman on Sep 28, 2010 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

With runners in scoring position, you'd expect a hitter to hit the same as he usually does.

And the A’s have been a little below that. Two wins and change. Bottom third in the majors, but not really, really bad.

by danmerqury on Sep 28, 2010 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

The garbage isnt Cust

Its Patterson, Sweeney, Davis, Chavez, Fox, Davis, Carter, Buck, Carson, Watson, Larish, Iwamura, Donaldson, Gross etc etc.

Literally the only players we had this year that are worth keeping for next year are Barton, Pennington, Crisp, Ellis, Kouzmanoff & Cust. None of those guys play LF or RF, that was our problem this year. The Rangers won by simply (lol) playing Hamilton & Cruz in the corners over our below replacement level trash.

Its amazing how much of a difference a player like Josh Hamilton makes. God the Reds are so dumb for trading him.

by PL78 on Sep 29, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was speaking in terms of this season as a microcosm.

Sure those 2 are keepers, but giving them playing time this year hurt us as they were completely terrible.

by PL78 on Sep 29, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

They aren't being pathetic

They’re building for the future by sucking in the present.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Sep 28, 2010 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yogi Berra once said

 The future ain’t as bright as it used to be.

Stomp,em, stomp the piss out of em.Then pound the budweiser after the game. Joe Schultz Seattle Piolts Mgr 1969

by billyball1981 on Sep 29, 2010 6:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Relax friend

its gonna get better from here.

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes

by Future Ed on Sep 29, 2010 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cust

Cust is the best hitter on our team with a .373 wOBA. Crisp is second and Barton is third. The hating on Cust is misplaced. He is miscast as a cleanup guy and should be batting second. Hate on Geren for batting him down in the order.
Is there another DH that we can realistically acquire that is better?
Cust is not the problem.

Jack Cust: Nothing but true results…. Sac OPS: .964

by Athletics fan and runner on Sep 29, 2010 6:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

If Cust isn't hitting for power, he should be batting 2nd but I'm happy with Barton there

What Cust needs to be doing is hitting like the power hitter he’s been known as, then he can be a solid hitter around the 6 spot.

Last of the Ninth - Photography

by Flashfire on Sep 29, 2010 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Which isn't saying a whole lot

It’s .438, which would be lucky to be 3rd or 4th best on most teams out there. And yes, I just checked each team in the league. Only the Padres and Mariners really compare in their overall lack of power as a team, but even their best power hitters (Gonzalez & Branyan) are considerably higher than Cust this year in SLG.

That it’s #1 on the A’s just says how bad the A’s are overall. When Kouzmanoff has the most homers on the team and is only slugging .400 (while his OBP is barely above Cust’s AVG this year), that’s saying something.

His home run rate is the lowest it’s been in his career with the A’s, something like one in every 26 AB when it was about every 14 a couple years ago.

That’s the problem, though. He’s not actually hitting for power even if he has the highest SLG on the team, so if he isn’t hitting home runs the A’s need someone who is in the 3/4/5 spot. He’d make a good secondary piece in the lineup at this point but when you’re running people like Cust, Suzuki and Kouzmanoff out there in your primary power spots…ew.

Right now the A’s have no middle of the order threat at all.

Last of the Ninth - Photography

by Flashfire on Sep 29, 2010 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with that.

Pam liked my old sig better.

by mikev on Sep 29, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

bat Cust 2nd?

But but but… he’d clog up the basepaths!!!!

by ozzman99 on Sep 29, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

true

But #2 hitters are supposed to be fast and never strick out and be able to bunt. That’s how Ozzie Guillen would do it, so it must be right.

by ozzman99 on Sep 29, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cust is actually a good bunter

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes

by Future Ed on Sep 29, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why would Cust ever bunt?

That would be a dumb thing for a manager to call, and we all know Geren never does anything dumb.

by ozzman99 on Sep 29, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hope he wouldn't bunt to get people over

but I rember last year at least once him bunting to beat the shift and it worked.

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes

by Future Ed on Sep 29, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Indeed, however, if the other team is putting a crazy shift on you (like we've seen against Cust this year)

then beat them with the bunt. They’ll learn that they can’t cheat so far over, which should end up helping you in the long run as well.

by LoneStranger on Sep 29, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

If we can get someone better than Cust

I am all for it, whatever the cost.

But I don’t think Cust needs to be jettisoned if we don’t have a better option. I think #2 in the lineup would be a more natural fit. Or just somewhere near the bottom of the order.

He seems to have lost a lot of his pop as well so hitting him in a “power” position is bound to lead to disappointment.

by Billy Frijoles on Sep 29, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I've come around to agree with those who say "Don't replace Cust, but rather add someone better than him"

At least in terms of power. Right now his value lies more in his OBP than anything else, since his homers have gone down considerably. If he at least still reaches base a lot he has that value here, so it’d be counterproductive to get rid of him for someone else that does more or less the same thing. Let’s add another who does that instead.

But, if it comes to be that Chris Carter’s future is as a DH only, then goodbye Jack Cust. I’ll take the trade of someone who will likely not reach base as much but hit many more home runs, provided other parts of the lineup are also improved.

Last of the Ninth - Photography

by Flashfire on Sep 29, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

You "cant wait" to get rid of a guy who is in the top 15 OBP in all of baseball to be gone????

You either are

a) insane

or

b) dont want good baseball players on your fave team.

by PL78 on Sep 29, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think you need a ticket to Jon Stewart's rally.

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Sep 29, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

For all players with over 400 PAs

Cust ranks NINTH in all of baseball for OBP. Its completely insane to not want that on your team. He strikes out a lot, so do a bunch of other guys who dont get on base 40% of the time….WHO CARES???? Getting on base = chance to score a run. Its one of the most valuable stats we have. Its so lame that people hate on Cust STILL, when we have much much much worse problems at hand. I dont give a crud if every single out he makes is a K, as long as he’s on base 40% of the times he is at bat and hits 20+ HR (he would have done that this year if not for being sent down so Chavez&Fox could stink it up), thats an extremely valuable thing to have.

You are right, I really do feel like Im Jon Stewart when addressing Cust-haters. Its like, THE most illogical argument there is right now. Its totally mind-blowing to me…

by PL78 on Sep 29, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't think the baseball could break my heart so much

but watching that-that-guy-with-an-H-last-name pitching against them in that fugly uniform pretty much does it.

This season is like Old Yeller, I just want to take it out back.

"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on Sep 28, 2010 10:31 PM PDT reply actions   3 recs

Please turn this green
This season is like Old Yeller, I just want to take it out back.

"Like I said, it’s like me giving you a high-five and chest bump after you hit for the cycle against the kid in the wheelchair." Vacafan on May 14, 2010

by adragon on Sep 29, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ol' scruffy Dan looks a lot bummier in red than he did in green.

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Sep 29, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ok, good night

I’m going to cry myself to sleep. The A’s, the 49ers, Cal… the God of Sports hates me.

by ozzman99 on Sep 28, 2010 10:34 PM PDT reply actions  

Just got back from the game

Sucks to see our team loose in Angel Stadium.

Now that Geren’s option was picked up I guess he’s good to finish under .500 again. 4 loosing seasons in a row – pathetic. We had a chance to at least take the season series against the hapless Angels. Not even that consolation prize.

by mojay on Sep 28, 2010 11:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Goals.

Geren said his goal was first to make the playoffs,
then last week it became to play 0.500 and finish second,
now it is just to finish!!

when all along it was to take the heat off of what ownership is up to.

by robertmelvin on Sep 29, 2010 1:04 AM PDT reply actions  

End of the Season Thoughts from an Old Timer

As another disappointing season comes to a merciful end, can’t help but reflect on my first Athletics game many moons ago—with Ferris Fain at 1st, Pete Suder at 2nd, Eddie Joost at short, plus Majeski, Valo, Sam Chapman. With Leland Victor Lou Brissie, little Bobby Shantz and Joe Coleman in the rotation…and colorful old Connie Mack wiggling his scorecard all game long, moving outfielders around. It was a proud. gutsy team in a wonderful sport that would become a very big business. I wonder what Mr. Mack would say today about Emperor Nobody’s interesting comment questioning the point or maybe the pointlessness of caring about the Athletics franchise any longer. Hard to say. We are in a new era now. The MLB revenue sharing system rewards lack of success, making a franchise a good business to get into. If you look around, there aren’t many others like it. Win or lose, you win. You can do okay financially by lowering your payroll — dumping your best pitchers and position players in exchange for cheaper players plus cash considerations You’ll watch the losses pile up and the crowds thin out at home games while collecting those cash considerations and your MLB welfare checks….that should make you feel better. They welfare checks are designed to give the little guy a needed boost, using money mainly from the mighty Yankees. Throughout it all, don’t forget to keep spinning the story about building for the future, even if it starts sounding a little shopworn. That spin, plus entertaining ads. root beer floats and great fireworks, may be enough to prevent an all-out revolt among your fans while you continue to game the system. That is, it could be enough to prevent a revolt for a while, but maybe not forever.

by turkey3a on Sep 29, 2010 6:15 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Ferris Fain

He was the player that Barton may become. Only Barton has better defense.

Jack Cust: Nothing but true results…. Sac OPS: .964

by Athletics fan and runner on Sep 29, 2010 6:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

All very well said Turkey3

I couldn’t agree more. It all became clear to me about half way through this season. The A’s had decided to tread water, so to say, i.e. keep moving your arms and legs, keep afloat, but don’t move forward, and don’t expend any energy (“dollars”) trying to swim and move forward. MLB has a system in place that allows this type of managment technique….it is painless, it is easy, many teams have found this nitch.

by robertmelvin on Sep 29, 2010 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

and I maintain

that this is why Billy and Lew just love Bob Geren……not only is Bob inexpensive, but he goes along with ownership as it continues “to game the system” to quote turkey3.

by robertmelvin on Sep 29, 2010 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lew Wolff

I heard he was on TV w/ Fosse and Kuiper. Did they ask him any hard questions? Did he answer anything differently than you would have thought? When will the San Jose thing be announced? I wish Selig would say something before Free Agency. It might actually help with recruiting.

by Colorado Fan on Sep 29, 2010 7:47 AM PDT reply actions  

hard questions?

ha!
Modern journalism has a hard time asking hard questions (with decent followups) in the regular news world, let alone the sports world. Sportscasters are 50% cheerleaders, 25% access whores, 25% news. Expecting hard questions will leave you disappointed.

by MobiusKlein on Sep 29, 2010 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

The silver lining in this

is that these games don’t matter and they point out again and again that the A’s cannot get by with their current offense next year. They need to get two bats via free agency. They need to spend more money. If they don’t, I’m guessing I’ll give away all but two or three of my season tickets to clients I don’t really care about. I simply can’t watch this kind junk.

by rovingralph on Sep 29, 2010 8:04 AM PDT reply actions  

Robert Melvin and Treading Water

That’s quite an analogy, Mr. Melvin. Had the ownership group been willing to paddle harder in mid-season and plug holes in the offense by spending for a couple of big bats, the Athletics could have had a better shot at passing Texas and grabbing the divisional championship. But that might have meant tapping the flow of incoming cash—which isn’t always the slickest way to exploit a revenue sharing system.. So what we got instead appears to have been a safe business decision to tread more water. It will be interesting to see if the strategy changes in the off-season. Carrying your analogy a bit further, Mr. Melvin: At some point one almost has to stop the treading and start progressing , or else you run the risk of starting to weaken, flounder and drown.

by turkey3a on Sep 30, 2010 5:14 AM PDT reply actions  

If you paddle too hard and get exhausted, you'll drown.

"We've come a long way, and I'm not talking about Virginia Slims, either." - Art Howe

by EastCoastA on Sep 30, 2010 6:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

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