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Rangers Rock A's, 16-9

"Ouch!" Says Trevor (Photo by Jed Jacobsohn/Getty Images)


The Texas Rangers outlasted the Athletics today in the final home game of the season for Oakland, 16-9. Texas was never behind, and had seemingly put the game away for good, before a Spring Trainingesque offensive explosion erupted late in the game.

It may have been Dallas Braden Bobblehead Day, but it was Trevor Cahill who was left dizzy by the blitzkrieg style pummeling of the Rangers offense. Cahill, considered a fringe Cy Young candidate by many observers, wobbled his way through 4 innings, surrendering 12 hits and 7 runs before hitting the showers.

Conversely, Rangers starter Colby Lewis cruised through his first postseason warm up start. Lewis, who spent last season in Japan, will have one more tune up before heading into his first post season as a Major League starting pitcher. Lewis struck out 6 Oakland hitters in 6 innings of work, while surrendering a single run.

The two teams scored a combined 15 runs in the final 2 innings (the A's scoring 6 in the 8th, 2 in the 9th, and Rangers 7 in the 9th) to close out the A's home schedule with some fireworks.

The A's will head down the coast to Anaheim, for 3 games with the Angels, and then on to Seattle, for 4 with the Mariners, to close out the season.

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Tolleson

If for some reason Ellis isn’t back next season and there isn’t a replacement brought in I’d actually be fine with a combination of Tolleson/Rosales as the starting 2Bman. If a replacement is found then it’d be nice if both of those guys could learn to play the COF competently to increase each of their respective versatility. Then there’d only be a need for one extra OFer and we all know how worthless a 5th OFer is.

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Sep 26, 2010 4:46 PM PDT reply actions  

My guess on Ellis

Option declined; re-signed for 2 years / $8 million

by TBRMKane on Sep 26, 2010 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hopefully there's a GM out there who is in love

with his radar gun readings and is willing to sell the family farm to claim him.

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Sep 26, 2010 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

An out-of-options flamethrower with control problems is only mildly attractive

by TBRMKane on Sep 26, 2010 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I give you one "Billy Koch"

Whatever happened to that guy?

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Sep 26, 2010 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think his arm fell off and he retired

by TBRMKane on Sep 26, 2010 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bugs

It's the fans that make the game fun. -- Rickey Henderson, July 26, 2009.

by Englishmajor on Sep 26, 2010 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

BUT HE THROWS 100!!!111!!1!!!

and, he’s still only 23 although it feels like he’s been in the system forever. (he probably got a major league deal—-lesson 920802840284 in why you don’t give those out to really young draftees)

Needs moar dingerz and moar Josh Donaldson.

by Blicks on Sep 26, 2010 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

And with our luck,

he’ll rack up 52 saves for the Pirates next year.

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Sep 26, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

and get traded for an MLB-ready MOR starter.

and a mid-level prospect

Needs moar dingerz and moar Josh Donaldson.

by Blicks on Sep 26, 2010 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

He can't possibly get that many saves for the Pirates

unless they win a few more than they’ve won this year, that’s for sure…

"Feel so bad, feel like a ballgame on a rainy day"-Lightnin' Hopkins

by justANotherAsFan on Sep 26, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Henry is what the Pirates need to field a winning team...

who knows, maybe he’s the secret ingredient. It would be nice for that town to get to enjoy baseball again. They’ve suffered for too long.

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 27, 2010 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Of course he didn't get a major league deal

23-4 (rule 5 years)-3 (option years) =16.

The international signing age is… 16.

If it’s any consolation, assuming I understand the rules correctly, he does still have a fourth option year remaining because he’s only played five full seasons of baseball.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Sep 26, 2010 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

My brain isn't fully functional tonight

Rodriguez signed in 2003.

From Cots:

For purposes of calculating years as a pro, the counting begins the day a player signs his first pro contract, not the season he begins to play.

But…

A player may be eligible for a fourth option year if he has been optioned in three seasons but does not yet have five full seasons of professional experience. A full season is defined as being on an active pro roster for at least 90 days in a season…. The 90-day requirement means short-season leagues (New-York Penn, Northwest, Pioneer, Appalachian, Gulf Coast, Arizona Rookie, Dominican and Venezuelan Summer Leagues) do not count as full seasons for the purposes of determining eligibility for a fourth option.

He didn’t play until 2006 and he’s used 3 options.

And all that means… something.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Sep 26, 2010 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

i'm very confident in this happening

Needs moar dingerz and moar Josh Donaldson.

by Blicks on Sep 26, 2010 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just watched the condensed game

Yes you should’t walk anyone, that is bad. But come on, a failed bunt play, then another very good sac bunt that powell couldn’t field (although I wish he would have let it roll to a stop rather than pick it up) and a opposite field 130 foot pop up?

Aggravated by Geren bringing the infield in with the bases loaded down by 4 in the ninth? Clearly not a good outing, but not the end of the world

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes

by Future Ed on Sep 27, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Mark Ellis said the plan is to talk w/#Athletics front office next wk about his 2011 option.

by TBRMKane on Sep 26, 2010 5:07 PM PDT reply actions  

The A's will have so many decisions to make this offseason

I’m curious about Donaldson. Will he be moved? He’s already 25 and I think he’s proven that he doesn’t belong in AAA.

Donaldson + H-Rod for a bat?

by TBRMKane on Sep 26, 2010 5:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Not enough for a bat of any value, I'm afraid

I like Donaldson a lot, but he’s a “tweener” – doesn’t hit well enough for 3B, doesn’t project as a starting catcher. I think he’d be a valuable backup catcher / corner INF, but he might be worth more as a trade chip for one of the many teams in search of a new starting catcher.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 26, 2010 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Huh?

He doesn’t project as a starting catcher, so let’s use him as a trade chip for a team in need of a starting catcher?

Contradictions aside, I’m pretty sure his trade value is well under what his actual value to the team is.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Sep 26, 2010 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry, I meant he doesn't project to be a starting catcher of near Suzuki's caliber,

but for a team with starting catcher as a key weakness, he might garner some interest.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 26, 2010 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm dubious

Teams that are dumb enough to overvalue stopgap solutions tend also to be teams that are dumb enough to overvalue “proven veterans.”

I bet the A’s would be better off trading Suzuki to that team and starting Donaldson themselves.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Sep 26, 2010 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

This

I’m ready to see who overvalues Suzuki, and hope Boston will still give up something sexy for him…

AN: Where you will be an A's fan or Dallas Braden will show you the repercussions of your actions.

by stranahanahan on Sep 27, 2010 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

If Boston AND NYY come calling, which they both should

that’s a best case scenario for the A’s.

Posada = DH now.

Montero = not a catcher

Needs moar dingerz and moar Josh Donaldson.

by Blicks on Sep 28, 2010 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yup.

Lando/Donaldson can do just as well as Suzuki did this year, and surely we can steal something from the Red Sox for Suzuki (and Kouzmanoff, after they lose Beltre.)

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 27, 2010 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Huh, I totally think the opposite.

I believe Donaldson is fully capable of a .700 OPS and reasonable defense, just like Suzuki has done this year.

It’s not popular, but I believe Suzuki should be shopped around based on his name recognition alone. People THINK he’s better than he really is.

Pam liked my old sig better.

by mikev on Sep 26, 2010 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey steal my thunder why don't you?

I suggested the same lower down in the thread.

"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton

by vignette17 on Sep 26, 2010 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s not popular

I would say it’s much more popular now than 2 or 3 months ago…

AN: Where you will be an A's fan or Dallas Braden will show you the repercussions of your actions.

by stranahanahan on Sep 27, 2010 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think Suzuki is going to die of exhaustion in two or three years

if he stays here.

Maybe a good idea to see what they can get in a trade.

His hitting has suffered this year. Maybe it’s just a down year like hitters have or it’s running him into the ground at his insistence of playing nearly every game.

by Trainman on Sep 27, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's got to be running him into the ground

I don’t care if he says he’s ok to play, there is no excuse for not resting him more often. Even if he sticks around next year, Donaldson should still get around 50 starts at catcher…

AN: Where you will be an A's fan or Dallas Braden will show you the repercussions of your actions.

by stranahanahan on Sep 27, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Only with us.

The average fan will be pretty mad about it. But he hasn’t been showing up to games anyway, so I don’t care what he thinks anymore, and I don’t think the front office does either.

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 27, 2010 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

In draft pick slotting news:

The Tigers, Blue Jays, and Cardinals all won today, giving all three teams a record of 80-75. Those are the three teams immediately ahead of the A’s in the combined standings.

The A’s are now 77-78 with seven games to play. If the A’s were to finish with a tied record with one of those three teams, the A’s have the “tiebreaker” for draft pick slot over them all, since all three of them finished ahead of the A’s in the standings last year. So, the A’s have a de facto four game “lead” on those three teams in terms of draft pick slot.

Thus, in response to today’s results, it appears the A’s will almost certainly have either the #17 or #18 overall draft slot in the first round of the 2011 draft, depending upon how they and the Marlins play over the final week. Either way, both picks are the last two protected picks.

My hope is that the A’s pursue two out of these four Type A FA’s: Crawford, Werth, Beltre, and Jorge De La Rosa. Signing De La Rosa would give them the flexibility to trade an incumbent SP for a good hitter.

Since the first round pick will be protected, signing two out of those four guys would mean giving up only the team’s 2nd and 3rd round draft pick – a pittance, considering how important two legitimate offensive upgrades would be to the major league roster.

Giving up the second and third-round picks next year = picks No. ~65 and No. ~95. That’s an extremely small talent price to pay for adding two legit studs. Man, I hope for a Crawford/De La Rosa combo signing. An influx of two 29-year-old FAs…coupled with an SP trade for another good bat alongside Crawford…2011 AL West champs. Book it.

  

"It’s ideal if your hobby and your living can merge. But you are not going to stop your hobby if you can’t make money out of it. Your hobby is all about trading time for enjoyment. My job is what I do. My hobby is who I am." -Tango

by notsellingjeans on Sep 26, 2010 5:26 PM PDT reply actions  

I would very much like to subscribe to your newsletter.

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Sep 26, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

How about Webb?

I’d be happy to see the A’s talk to De La Rosa and Webb, taking whichever is the smarter deal.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 26, 2010 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

re: Webb

I’m fine with signing and I think it’d be an excellent thing to do. However, he better not be the only FA SP you sign if you’re going to deal one of the incumbents because if he breaks down then you’re screwed. Better to sign both Webb and a DLR-type and then you could maybe convince me to deal a guy like Cahill or Gio instead of Mazzaro and get a better bat in return.

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Sep 26, 2010 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m afraid Webb would be another Ben Sheets

by TBRMKane on Sep 26, 2010 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Although

He could help Cahill a lot I think

by TBRMKane on Sep 26, 2010 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm with you

In terms of realistic outcomes that’s probably the best case scenario. I like De La Rosa but I wouldn’t mind Lilly either, although he figures to be more expensive.

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Sep 26, 2010 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd pick up any Rockies pitcher who can put up decent numbers

I wouldn’t “ever” trade position players with them, though. Not ever until we have a new, different stadium which might play completely different than the Coliseum. We’d be disappointed in whomever we got (if we were disappointed in Holliday, we’d be disappointed in anyone) and we’d feel like we let somebody great slip away (like CarGon).

"Feel so bad, feel like a ballgame on a rainy day"-Lightnin' Hopkins

by justANotherAsFan on Sep 26, 2010 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

We DID let someone great slip away.

Look at it this way: Park factors included, Gonzalez is having as good a season as Holliday had with the Rockies. This means we traded 6 years of Holliday for 1…and gave them Street. (And got Michael Taylor…wheeeee.)

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 26, 2010 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

The "we" is particularly objectionable here

when some of the actual “us” responded to that trade by doing everything short of nailing 95 theses to the clubhouse door.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Sep 26, 2010 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, we didn't like trading Gonzalez either.

But trade him we did.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 26, 2010 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

De La Rosa, Webb, Lilly, all good ideas. It makes trading a young SP less distasteful

I am very happy with the Crawford interest in the A’s. I think he’ll at least listen, if BB makes any kind of serious offer. He’s used to playing in a mostly empty stadium… I can’t see the A’s offering what he’ll want in term of years, unless they can get him to agree to a front-loaded contract, where the $/year goes down over time. Then they won’t be quite so hamstrung if a) he gets hurt and loses his legs, or b) they need to lock up young players (which they do).

Beltre, I don’t think we’ve got a real good chance there. I wish we did. He was just what we needed this year.

Werth wants moolah (Boras). He’s a minus defender, which means he’d better put up NL numbers in a pitchers’ park in the AL, so even if we pick him up, he might be a disappointment.

"Feel so bad, feel like a ballgame on a rainy day"-Lightnin' Hopkins

by justANotherAsFan on Sep 26, 2010 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is the first year in Werth's career he's put up a negative UZR (and it's barely negative -4.2)

Before that he put up seven consecutive years of good UZRs. It’s possible he’s completely lost it on defense but I wouldn’t bet on it.

"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton

by vignette17 on Sep 26, 2010 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Funny on Werth's defense

I sat in the right field bleachers at Yankee Stadium (a work outing, not my choice) in a game against Philly – the guy I was sitting next to noticed that Werth stood in the same spot for every batter. He never moved in or out, left or right. It was pretty hilarious. I wonder if he’s just lost speed so his defensive “strategy” isn’t working as well now.

by boilerdan on Sep 27, 2010 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Looks like the A's missed a chance with Felipe Lopez

He’s going to be a Type B this offseason and Boston picked him up off waivers. A $1 million salary for this season means there’s little risk in offring him arbitration.

And the Mets won today. At 76-79 they just pushed the Angels (75-80) down to the 14th spot. The Mets hold the tie breaker over the A’s, meaning Oakland has to out suck ’em to draft before them.

The 15th pick is guaranteed to Milwaukee as compensation for not being able to sign their 2010 1st round pick, Dylan Covey.

The 12th (Houston) and 13th (LAD) picks are still in play but odds are #14 is as low as the A’s could go. Fall. Suck.

Whatever.

Not sure I’m down with the De La Rosa love…

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Sep 26, 2010 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

This about F. Lopez is,

he’s getting himself released due to bad attitude issues which, on top of his decline in performance, makes him as risky as anyone.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 26, 2010 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Three weeks of bad attitude in exchange for a Sup 1st draft pick...

Sounds reasonable to me.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Sep 26, 2010 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh I see what you mean

I was thinking in terms of getting him to keep him.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 26, 2010 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Free agent arbitration is so rare that there's very little precedent for it

Arbitrators like being within the bounds of precedent. It makes them feel like they won’t be reversed even if they do a half-assed job.

With a free agent, though? Who knows? There’s nothing to go on. There hasn’t been a free agent position player who went through arbitration in several seasons. I think the last one was the beached corpse of Michael Barrett, who still got several million.

Color me very surprised if Felipe Lopez is offered arbitration, and take-your-hat-off shocked if he actually declines an offer.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Sep 26, 2010 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Boston will offer him arbitration

He’s had a lousy year, no way does he break the bank.

The question is if there’s a team out there that is interested in offering him a multi-year deal.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Sep 26, 2010 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

You may be confident Boston will offer him

I am every bit as confident that if they do, he will take that offer. It will get him better pay than he could land on the market. No way does he get offered a multiyear deal— not after a horrible season dogged by makeup concerns.

Lopez is the epitome of a player that an amateur arbitrator will put a higher value on than Theo Epstein will.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Sep 26, 2010 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I doubt he gets a significant raise (if any) over the million he made in 2010

I feel it’s well within the realm of possibility to think that someone offers him a better deal than he’d get via arbitration.

We’ll see.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Sep 26, 2010 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm really surprised De La Rosa is a Type A

I’ve always thought he was an interesting pickup. 3.5 xFIP. I think he could turn into a very good pickup for a limited amount.

And Crawford would be great, although I’m a Werth advocate because I think he’ll be cheaper (and for selfish reasons). As for a trade, I may still consider trading Suzuki if there is a great offer. His struggles may prevent that and it would be a very interesting move considering the A’s are almost certainly going for it 2011. But Donaldson may not fetch much and I don’t think he’d be that bad.

"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton

by vignette17 on Sep 26, 2010 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

What I'd be interested in acquiring is a SP that could really take full advantage of our awesome defense.

Like Cahill. If Cahill pitched in front of Cleveland’s butcher of an infield defense, he wouldn’t have had half the season he’s had. And if we could find an underachieving Cahill-type wasting away with a bad defense, we could likely pluck him up for cheap. Something like a Justin Masterson, the AL leader in GB%. He had a 4.75 ERA this year, but a 3.99 FIP and an atrocious .334 BABIP. That BABIP isn’t luck—that’s just what happens when you put an extreme groundballer in front of the worst infield in the majors. We could fix that.

by danmerqury on Sep 26, 2010 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like the Masterson idea.

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 27, 2010 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Javier Vazquez!

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Sep 26, 2010 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

In his contract he specifies

That he won’t go to any West Coast team.

by OaklandSi on Sep 26, 2010 7:10 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

He may not have any choice in the matter after this season.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Sep 26, 2010 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not much different from the last time he was a Yankee

He’d probably interest at least one non-west coast NL club

by OaklandSi on Sep 26, 2010 8:34 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Isn't De la Rosa... how should I put this...

awful?

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Sep 26, 2010 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's had xFIPs of 4, 3.75, and 3.50 the last 3 years.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Sep 26, 2010 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, and his career ERA in six seasons is two-thirds of a run over his xFIP

Even if you figure half that gap is residual bad luck, you’re still looking at someone whose career luck-adjusted ERA is north of 4.6.

I think I’d rather sign Jeremy Bonderman. And I really want no part of Jeremy Bonderman.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Sep 26, 2010 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

So is his career xFIP

Parks have strong influence even on the “pitcher-controlled” elements of pitching because pitchers are more aggressive in the zone in pitchers’ parks.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Sep 26, 2010 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Where did you hear that?

And if you look at De La Rosa’s Home/Road splits over the last 3 years you’ll see that there is no evidence of that in his performance.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Sep 26, 2010 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Uh, park effects on strikeouts are well-known

Link

Somewhat unsurprisingly, Colorado turns up among the hardest parks to whiff hitters in (the altitude undoubtedly playing a major role). But, well, it’s also one of the hardest parks to field balls in. And I bet you if you run the numbers, it’ll come out as very walk-friendly too (because pitchers have to be extra-careful pitching to batters in bad counts). It’s just generally rough on pitchers.

I don’t ever look at home/road splits, and have no plans to start now.

Park-adjusting his overall pitching line is fine— BB-Ref gives out a career ERA+ of 92, which is right around the flavor of mediocre that my taste test spits out anyway— but there’s no especial reason to think that the FIP/ERA gap is caused by Coors Field. It probably was influenced some by defense, but like I said, even if you cut it in half to account for bad defense and bad luck, he still looks like a weak play.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Sep 26, 2010 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

So... the actual data says there is no proof

that De La Rosa pitches “more aggressive” away from his uber-friendly hitters park.

But you refuse to consider Home/Road splits because the data isn’t as important to you as the concept you’re preaching.

Thanks for the link. And you’re right, Colorado was the hardest park to whiff batters in. Did you notice the 4th hardest on the list? Oakland.

And finally this chestnut from your link…

Thus, it’s true that there really is little reason to pay attention to park effects for walks.

So not only are you ignoring the only hard data available for scrutiny but the actual conclusions of the article you’re linking.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Sep 27, 2010 7:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

The article is saying that it's not worth putting a lot of emphasis on from a management standpoint

not that it doesn’t exist.

I’m fairly certain that sabermetric conventional wisdom is that the effect of parks on walk totals is minimal, if not non-existent. I found, however, that this was not really the case.

See, I can cherrypick one-liners, too!

I refuse to consider home/road splits because the data sucks. It splits what are generally already small samples in half. In any event, I’d much rather be accused of being dogmatic than inconsistent (which you would no doubt do if I did look at them), since at least that way people know what my opinions are based on.

Oakland is a hard park to get strikeouts for the same reason that it is an easy park to get other kinds of outs— the huge foul territory. A lot of at-bats that would end by something other than “in play-outs” turn into that result because they’re cut off halfway through by a caught foul ball.

Finally, re: aggressiveness, I’m going to pull my assertion that strikeout/walk parke effects are largely caused by pitching tactics back into the shop. It’s intuitive but, thinking more on it, I can see reasons why pitchers might be less aggressive in pitchers’ parks (a walk is less likely to subsequently score) and especially so with runners on base. For the time being, let’s stick that one in the “unproven hypothesis” category.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Sep 27, 2010 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Except my cherrypicking was an actual conclusion!

Anywho… I’m happy with you backing off off the aggressiveness assertion.

Moving on. Nothing to see here.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Sep 27, 2010 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

One more thing

I wasn’t questioning if park effects had an affect on pitching performance; I was questioning your claim that pitchers were more aggressive in the zone in pitchers parks.

The conclusion Gassko draws re: strike outs? It’s about the humidity… not whether or not the park rates as favorable to pitchers or hitters.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Sep 27, 2010 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Has it occurred to you that maybe, just maybe, he's been an entirely different pitcher the last three years?

Looking at his career totals is misleading. He developed one of the best sliders in the league after 2007 (his first full season) and consequently his K rate has jumped from around 5.33 that season to around 9 the last 3 seasons. And the discrepancy between his ERA and FIP can be partly explained by how godawful the Rockies defense has been the last three years (-20, -24, and a mindnumbingly bad -60 one season).

I think you’re also being pointlessly hyperbolic when you say that you’d rather sign Bonderman considering he’s either been ineffective or injured or both the last three years.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Sep 26, 2010 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

De la Rosa has been ineffective or injured for essentially his entire career

At least Bonderman has actually (once) had a good season.

I notice you (conveniently) failed to note that his tERAs the last three years have been 4.64, 4.69, 4.86.

For purposes of disclosure, here is (courtesy of Cot’s) the list of pitchers who, all things being equal, I would rather sign than Jorge de la Rosa:

Bronson Arroyo CIN *
Jeremy Bonderman DET
Aaron Harang CIN *
Hiroki Kuroda LAD
Cliff Lee TEX
Ted Lilly LAD
Carl Pavano MIN
Brad Penny STL
Javier Vazquez NYY
Jake Westbrook STL

So on the one hand, he is better than 21 of the 31 other free agents. On the other hand, most of those 21 guys are at levels of done ranging from fork-tender (Nate Robertson) to literally falling-off-the-bone (Noah Lowry).

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Sep 26, 2010 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

And his tRAs the last seasons have been 4.09, 4.05, and 4.32.

But of course you would want to use tERA since it’s scaled to De La Rosa’s usually-higher-than-his-DIPS ERA. Whatever metric you choose, I still fail to see how he’s anything other than league average, if not slightly above. His 4.89 tERA this year is the result of a higher than usual home run rate (which xFIP accounts for). He usually does very well at keeping the ball in the park, for someone who pitches at Coors. The other years, his ~4.60 tERAs are right around league average so he hasn’t been ineffective his entire career no matter how often you repeat it. Again, the onus is on you to prove that he’s, as you originally put it, “awful”.

I don’t care that you would rather sign Kuroda, Lee, and Lilly, Paul. In a vacumn, anyone would sign those guys over De La Rosa. The rest of the guys on your list have a whole bunch of issues ranging from injury, ineffectiveness, and/or old age. Some of them, like Arroyo, have actually been substantially worse than De La Rosa the last three season. So really, I don’t care who you would rather sign, Paul, since you’re clearly not objective on this issue.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Sep 26, 2010 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

In what way am I "not objective"?

I don’t know de la Rosa from a hole in the wall.

It’s funny, ‘cause Bronson Arroyo is the opposite kind of pitcher from DLR: he has a significant (at this point) ERA-FIP gap in the opposite direction. His career BABIP of .290 is probably legit and saves him a few runs a season over someone with a .300 mark. He also does not suffer from DLR’s crappy baserunner strand rate.

Once you include health, Arroyo has most definitely not been a worse pitcher over the last three seasons. Maybe he’s been a luckier one, but not worse.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Sep 27, 2010 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Look, you're the one who called De La Rosa "awful" and still has yet to produce any convincing evidence to substantiate it.

You’re the one who would rather sign guys like Bonderman, Penny, and Pavano to more years/money than De La Rosa. Whether or not you have a personal grudge against the guy or are just arguing for the sake of arguing, I think it’s fair to call your objectivity into question.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Sep 27, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, technically I ASKED if he was awful

but it was a loaded question, so eh. Obviously hyperbolic. My informed assessment at this point is that he is a #4 starter on an average team, or a good #5 on a playoff team. (Though it bears noting that #5 starters do not, as a rule, actually start in the postseason.)

I’m still wondering where this supposed “lack of objectivity” is coming from though. I have no vested interest in tearing the guy down— I just don’t think he’s very good at baseball.s

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Sep 27, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right.

Because a pitcher who strikes out 9 batters an inning, is top ten in the league in GB%, walks 3.81 batters per 9 innings, and has a tRA around 4 the last 3 years, all while pitching half his games at Coors, is a #4 starter and bad at baseball. And apparently is worse than Jeremy Bonderman.

Really not seeing the lack of objectivity?

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Sep 27, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

You continue to confuse the concepts "objective" and "agrees with me"

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Sep 28, 2010 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Would you prefer to be characterized as "wrong" instead?

I really don’t care either way.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Sep 28, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Btw, other than the home run rate, he's actually improved this year.

His walk rate dropped this year and he’s still striking out around 9 guys an inning. His walk rate has declined three years in a row now. He upped his ground ball percentage 10% to 54%. That would be around top 10 in the league, if he qualified.

"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."

by lenscrafters on Sep 26, 2010 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, I respect your judgment but I disagree with you here Paul.

Bonderman has seriously contemplated retirement, and has an average fastball of 90 now.

Harang has been taken out of the rotation by his own team during the stretch run – that’s an indicator of how bad he’s pitched and how bad his stuff has declined.

Vasquez won’t sign on the West Coast.

Penny was a wash-out in Boston and I can’t see him making a choice to return to the AL. I also don’t like his recent injury history, or conditioning.

Lilly has experienced a significant decline in velocity since his last AL days.

Pavano and Lee are obviously better, but they’ll also get paid a ton more than De La Rosa, and I’m talking about the A’s signing DLR in conjunction with an elite guy – preferably Crawford in my book.

Now, what De La Rosa has that those other guys don’t:

He’s 29, so he’s far less likely to decline in a multi-year deal than they are.

He throws gas. He averages more than 93 mph on his fastball. If a guy is making an NL-to-AL switch, I at least want him to have good stuff, not fringy high 80s stuff, which several of the guys on your list above do at this point in their careers.

Maybe his numbers were supressed in Colorado, and maybe he will pitch to a new true talent level when he leaves that environment. (I realize that he spent time in KC, but he’s clearly a better pitcher now than he was at 24 years old). Some guys get much better movement on their off-speed stuff when they leave Colorado.

This point is important to me: Other than Pavano and Lee, he’s absolutely the only guy on that list who’s a good bet to qualify as a Type A free agent at the end of his next FA deal. I could very much see the A’s signing him for three years, him posting a reasonable ERA in Oakland, continuing to rack up strikeouts, and qualifying as a Type A SP again at age 32 when he hits the open market for the second time. The A’s offer him arb, he declines since he’s set up for a second multi-year deal. That scenario doesn’t exist for any of the late-30s guys you listed, because they’ll all be old men at the end of the next contract they sign.

I view De La Rosa as an upside play – the rare free agent who could reach a new true talent level in a good way, if he gets the opportunity to pitch in a pitcher’s park. I kinda view Crawford the same way. I realize it’s incredibly rare for a player to begin peaking at 29, or to enjoy his best season at age 30, but I could see it happening with both of those guys. I think Crawford is coming into his man-strength. Crawford has hit with greater power this year than he ever has in his career; he started focusing on baseball later in life, and maybe he’s just now harnessing his considerable gifts and maximizing his physical tools at the plate.

I leave with you with two thoughts, and I realize they aren’t sabermetric:

a.) If Carl Crawford is a late-career bloomer offensively, it could mean that his slugging percentage hovers at .500 over the next three years. That means he becomes a 20-homer-per-season guy. If CC slugs .500 he’s a $30M per year value, and my $25M front-loaded offer still has surplus value.

b.) What if De La Rosa, pitching with more confidence in a better environment, could lower his BB/9 to 3? I realize this isn’t the most likely scenario, but I do view him as a true upside play. A guy who tops out at 90 mph doesn’t have much upside. A lefty who averages 93.4 mph the past two seasons – that upside appeals to me. He lowers his walk rate significantly and he’s an All-Star. Last year he was worth $16.5M according to Fangraphs; I’ll bet he signs for three years and $24-28M. I think he’s a decent bet to outperform that contract, and to yield two draft picks when he finishes it.

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by notsellingjeans on Sep 27, 2010 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

That said, I could be talked out of advocating signing him

I’ve never even seen him pitch, and I know nothing about his character.

But I’ve yet to read a persuasive enough argument against him to sway me. Perhaps that’s my mini-challenge to those who dislike DLR.

"It’s ideal if your hobby and your living can merge. But you are not going to stop your hobby if you can’t make money out of it. Your hobby is all about trading time for enjoyment. My job is what I do. My hobby is who I am." -Tango

by notsellingjeans on Sep 27, 2010 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

If you like fast games De La Rosa ain't your guy

Very deliberate on the mound… even hesitates mid-way through his pitching motion.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Sep 27, 2010 7:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't want him signed simply based on that fact.

I can’t stand that style of delivery.

Pam liked my old sig better.

by mikev on Sep 27, 2010 7:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Let's assume DLR signs at 3/27

I’m not sure how you shoehorn that into the budget AND land Crawford. This article worries me; it means that to land the love of your life the A’s would have no choice but to shell out $20 million annual. (I know, you love the front loaded contract idea but that makes it even harder to afford both in 2011 unless the A’s do a major bump in payroll.)

How do you make the rest of the roster work if you’re paying $29 million to DLR and CC in 2011?

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Sep 27, 2010 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Backload the deal and punt contention after 2012 or 2013?

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Sep 27, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

The list was not meant to be advocacy of signing any particular guy

It’s just a list of guys who I’d pay more to, or sign for more seasons, than DLR. Hence the “all things being equal” disclaimer. It may well be that I’d pay Vasquez $5M more but he would demand $10M more because he can’t stand California, in which case I’d sign DLR instead. So be it.

To be consistent, though, Harang shouldn’t really fit into that category. So I’ll drop him. I had him on there because I think he might give Oakland a discount based on past familiarity and would be an interesting reclamation project.

It’s going to be mighty interesting to see what people are willing to pay Pavano. I suspect he will find very few long multiyear deals on the table. IIRC word around the league was that he was dogging it with the Yankees, basically slacking off because he had a guaranteed paycheck. I’d be surprised if a team gives him a 3-year deal, though I suppose no act of free agent largesse is ever completely implausible as long as Brian Sabean is around.

I don’t much care about the likelihood of a guy being Type A at the end of his deal. The Mayans may or may not have the right date for the end of the world as a whole, but I’m pretty sure they’ve nailed it as regards the A’s chances of being a competitive baseball franchise.

"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.

by PaulThomas on Sep 27, 2010 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Vazquez has never said he hated California, by the way

his contract specifies that he can veto a trade to any West Coast team (including Seattle). It’s well known in Puerto Rico that he did this in order to be able to more easily travel to Puerto Rico quickly if necessary (there’s a family situation involved). There are no direct flights between the west coast and Puerto Rico, except one evening flight from Los Angeles that is very long and frequently is delayed.

Even before he was a free agent he once helped scuttle a trade to Los Angeles because he publicly stated that he didn’t want to be traded there. Apparently it’s not a money-related issue.

by OaklandSi on Sep 27, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Heh

Except, you know, the Mayans aren’t predicting the end of the world but a new age. A common misconception in American interpretation of the Mayan calendar.

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by stranahanahan on Sep 27, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

According to them yes

But there’s no huge catastrophe or tsunamis and earthquakes and every natural disaster destroying the earth. There aren’t mass casualties of any kind…

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by stranahanahan on Sep 27, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

John Cusack and Woody Harrelson beg to differ...

"It’s ideal if your hobby and your living can merge. But you are not going to stop your hobby if you can’t make money out of it. Your hobby is all about trading time for enjoyment. My job is what I do. My hobby is who I am." -Tango

by notsellingjeans on Sep 27, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

and i feel fine

Needs moar dingerz and moar Josh Donaldson.

by Blicks on Sep 27, 2010 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

My two cents on De La Rosa,

whom I’ve had the chance to see pitch several times. I don’t think his walks are likely to come down much as he is prone to being erratic when he’s not being electric. He’s also always a threat to lose his composure, but has legitimate “more than a K/IP as a starter” stuff.

In these ways, he is quite a bit like Gio Gonzalez, though he’s the 29-year old, coming off an injury version. Personally, I wouldn’t mind having another Gio in the rotation for the next 2-4 years and would be willing to pay a decent amount of money to have him. He’s pretty good and he’d likely be well suited to Oakland.

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by Nico on Sep 27, 2010 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I say put as much as possible into signing Crawford and Beltre.

Hanging out at AN has started to convince me to not trust NL hitters. I never wanted this to happen, but it has. I know Crawford and Beltre can produce in the AL, and I think we can get them here. We have enough payroll space, now and in the future. Getting rid of Suzuki in favor of Lando and Donaldson even sneaks in a little more.

Crawford/Crisp/Carter/Cust make up your outfield/DH situation.
Beltre/Pennington/Ellis/Barton in the infield.
Lando/Donaldson behind the plate.
I think that lineup is fine. Your only real weak spot there is Lando/Donaldson. Possibly Ellis, but he can be replaced by Rosales or Tolleson or Sogard or whoever else if he finally stops being useful next year. Defensively, Carter/Cust is a liability, but I think at this point we recognize that defense and pitching can’t win a division title without making some compromises to offense. I think this picture of the team strikes the right balance.

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by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 27, 2010 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why Mark Ellis can't win a gold glove -

Joe Morgan is gushing about a play Cano made earlier this season, a play Ellis has made about a dozen times this year.

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by Nico on Sep 26, 2010 6:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Joe Morgan thinks Mark Ellis is his insurance salesman.

Pretty sure Joe hasnt watched an inning of an A’s game over the last few years…

by PL78 on Sep 27, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're in good hands

with Allstate Ellis.

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by Nico on Sep 27, 2010 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why did Geren concede this game when no one else did?

Sure scoring 6 runs in the 8th was unexpected, but you need to use your closer in the top of the 9th. Breslow could have held the Rangers and allowed the team to have a chance in the bottom of the 9th to score 2—which they did.

The AAA players out there wanted to win and the crowd was totally into it. I was there to be part of what could have been a special comeback in the last home game. Apparently Geren doesn’t understand or care. I have had it with him. The A’s future will be so much brighter without him at the helm.

by oaklandcrazy on Sep 26, 2010 7:22 PM PDT reply actions  

In that case,

you may want to check back in 2012.

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Sep 26, 2010 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fangraphs has the end of the 8th at a 6% shot of winning.

And that’s assuming perfectly average teams, not a lineup full of Rivercats (I’d guess it’s actually more like 2-3%). You don’t manage based on those teeny outside shots, especially regarding a guy who’s been overworked recently.

by danmerqury on Sep 26, 2010 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Especially in a game that has very little meaning

Be hypersensitive with your players now, especially pitchers.

"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton

by vignette17 on Sep 26, 2010 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

So any time you are down by 2 runs going

into the 9th, you only have an 8% chance of winning? That sems hard to believe, but I don’t really pay attention to stats. I only know that the momentum was with the A’s. Last home game—i would have tried a little harder for the fans..

Of course, Texas got 3 of the cheapest hits I have ever seen to start the 9th after the walk. Maybe just bad luck.

by oaklandcrazy on Sep 26, 2010 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Geren used his closer down 2 runs in the 9th,

THEN you could reasonably call for his head.

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by Nico on Sep 26, 2010 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Disagree

There is no close situation for the home team when down in the top of the ninth. Use him now to give your team the best chance to come back.

by oaklandcrazy on Sep 26, 2010 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

May the marlins need a catcher?

Along with a 5th starter and Cardenas for Uggla

by gambler on Sep 26, 2010 8:14 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

For one year of Uggla,

Mazzaro and Cardenas and Donaldson would be a steep price to pay. If Uggla signs an extension first, then maybe…

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by Nico on Sep 26, 2010 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Uggla doesn't sign an extension,

he walks in a year as a Type A free agent, netting two good draft picks. That might be preferable than meeting his extension demands (5 years, ~$60M).

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by notsellingjeans on Sep 27, 2010 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, he's worth it, IMO

If we could trade for him and get him to sign that deal, I’d do it.

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by stranahanahan on Sep 27, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

What makes you think he'll regress at that age?

From all indications he maintains his body pretty well and he’s never played less than 146 games. I’m not saying you’re wrong but there’s also nothing in his history to suggest he’ll fall apart…

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by stranahanahan on Sep 27, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

He might maintain his hitting

but if he’s a crappy 2B already (and all the evidence seems to indicate that he is) he’s likely to be really terrible by the time he’s 34 or 35.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Sep 27, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

Although I think he’s more likely to end up at 1st, but still, defense may be shoddy there…

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by stranahanahan on Sep 27, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dan Uggla is just Adam Dunn with a few less HR every year.

I’d say less walks too, but Dunn’s rate fell off a cliff this year.

by PL78 on Sep 27, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dunn at 2B/3B would be the definition of a disaster though

Not like Uggla at either position is bad enough, because he is, but Dunn’s already bad enough at 1B.

Needs moar dingerz and moar Josh Donaldson.

by Blicks on Sep 27, 2010 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow.

If Uggla can be had for less than that I say pull the trigger on that trade

by gambler on Sep 26, 2010 9:34 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Has anyone heard more about the guy who got Tolleson's HR ball?

There’s a note in the A’s wrapup to the effect that the guy (I don’t want to call him a fan) refused to give it up in exchange for a signed bat. The guy appeared to be hostile and possibly drunk, and when the fans in his section kept yelling at him to give the ball up, it looked like he gave them the finger. He eventually got escorted out by stadium staff, though not the OPD.

It's the fans that make the game fun. -- Rickey Henderson, July 26, 2009.

by Englishmajor on Sep 26, 2010 9:53 PM PDT reply actions  

...

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Sep 26, 2010 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ugh. D: That's just.... ugh. D:

"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on Sep 26, 2010 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

If he wasn't hostile

I’d be like, give him a bat. A souvenir for a souvenir is fair.

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by oaklandSMASH on Sep 27, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Now, according to Jane Lee

Tolleson

was informed that the fan who caught it, despite receiving a signed bat from Tolleson, was sitting next to a lawyer who advised him to keep it, as it may be worth a lot of money some day.

That guy must have been incredibly drunk not to realize that the “lawyer” was pulling his leg.

It's the fans that make the game fun. -- Rickey Henderson, July 26, 2009.

by Englishmajor on Sep 27, 2010 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kuroda on a 2 year deal with 3rd year vesting option (games started)

And Werth on a 5 year deal would make me very happy this offseason.

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by stranahanahan on Sep 27, 2010 12:23 AM PDT reply actions  

Even 2 year deals?

2 years around $8M per with a vesting option at somewhere between 55 and 60 games started?
I’d say that’s a pretty reasonable and not financially crippling deal…

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by stranahanahan on Sep 27, 2010 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Do. Not. Like.
The Texas Rangers, who clinched their first division title in 11 years over the weekend, just might start making this an annual routine considering their giant financial windfall.

The Rangers, cash-strapped for years with owner Tom Hicks, have signed a 20-year extension with Fox Sports Southwest that will guarantee them $3 billion.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/dailypitch/post/2010/09/texas-rangers-to-receive-3-billion-in-new-20-year-tv-deal/1

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by day-to-day on Sep 27, 2010 10:50 AM PDT reply actions  

Um.

That’s $150MM a year. That’s not good. At all.

by danmerqury on Sep 27, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Um.

Fuck.

Pam liked my old sig better.

by mikev on Sep 27, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

jeezus

The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09

by pam5981 on Sep 27, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

How the hell will FSSW make more than $150m a year off televising Rangers games?

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Sep 27, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

insert political comment here

that goes back to the tom Hicks ownership group.

"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes

by Future Ed on Sep 27, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

this

Needs moar dingerz and moar Josh Donaldson.

by Blicks on Sep 27, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Inflation?

3 bn will buy a soda and some fries in 2030.
And the fries will be cursed!

by MobiusKlein on Sep 27, 2010 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well shit shit shit.

How? Why? Who?

Get Mark Cuban on the line, we need an owner.
If he’ll buy Avion Tequila, he’ll buy anything!

AN: Where you will be an A's fan or Dallas Braden will show you the repercussions of your actions.

by stranahanahan on Sep 27, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is cuban gesturing to buy any other teams?

I’m sure he and Ellison feel burned by their respective forays into various sports.

The RAIDER NATION is the ONLY NATION!!

by oaklandSMASH on Sep 27, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not like he hasn't already been linked to trying to buy 3 MLB teams

the Pirates, Cubs, and the Rangers.

Needs moar dingerz and moar Josh Donaldson.

by Blicks on Sep 27, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

FUCK

Needs moar dingerz and moar Josh Donaldson.

by Blicks on Sep 27, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think half goes to revenue sharing though

I’m pretty certain the Yankees do NOT get to keep all, or more than half of the revenue from YES.

So 75MM/yr, if that’s right, but payroll probably will still increase.

Needs moar dingerz and moar Josh Donaldson.

by Blicks on Sep 27, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

And don't the A's split the Bay area with the Giants?

Son. Of. A. Bitch.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Sep 27, 2010 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

So no one is going to give me any reason to not believe that this just ended the relative balance of power in the AL West forever?

Fucking great. If the Rangers become the AL West Yankees, I’m not sure I can keep watching baseball.

Please, Lew/John. Either start spending more money, create your own TV/Radio thing like Steinbrenner did, or sell the team to someone who will do one of those two things.

I can deal with playing the Yankees, Red Sox, and Twins in the postseason. I can’t deal with becoming the Toronto Blue Jays of the AL West.

"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden

by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 27, 2010 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nothing like going to the game

getting our asses handed to us

giving up by the 8th

going to the West Side Sports Club

watching the Raiders lose on a field goal I could’ve made

bay Sunday

The RAIDER NATION is the ONLY NATION!!

by oaklandSMASH on Sep 27, 2010 10:59 AM PDT reply actions  

Wow, when was the last time the A's gave up 16 runs?

this was like a game from the late 90’s A’s.

You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}

by micdog2001 on Sep 27, 2010 11:45 AM PDT reply actions  

105 Degrees here in Garden Grove

115 in San Gabriel Valley and 113 in downtown LA

by Trainman on Sep 27, 2010 1:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Weather.com says it's 108 today here in La Jolla, San Diego.

No way. It’s more like the high 90’s, which is 20-25 degrees hotter than it usually is.

by danmerqury on Sep 27, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

You live in La Jolla?

I am envious.

"It’s ideal if your hobby and your living can merge. But you are not going to stop your hobby if you can’t make money out of it. Your hobby is all about trading time for enjoyment. My job is what I do. My hobby is who I am." -Tango

by notsellingjeans on Sep 27, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

For school.

But yeah, it’s a great location. I love it here.

by danmerqury on Sep 27, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would be fine with Uggla as a possible insufficient dh in 5years

If he provided the middle of the order bat that is needed to win the division the next couple years

by gambler on Sep 27, 2010 3:47 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

You know what might get us to the playoffs in 2011?

This lineup:

CF: Crisp
1B: Barton
RF: Werth
DH: Cust
LF: Carter
2B: Hudson
C: Suzuki
3B: Kouzmanoff
SS: Pennington

by PL78 on Sep 27, 2010 5:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Don't like Hudson

His defense had been negative for the previous 4 seasons before this year’s spike. He’s getting older and his defense is in decline if you ask me and his bat isn’t good enough to make up for that fact.

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Sep 27, 2010 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

So, after the game yesterday

we hung out for a bit in the stands (skigurl, LongTimeFan, and I). You know, because it was really hard to leave, even though we all wanted that game to be over already. Our boys came back out onto the field to a standing ovation by the few of us still left. As is the tradition, they started throwing their hats into the crowd gathered near the dugout. Journey’s Don’t Stop Believin’ was playing, and we were pretty much choked up (okay I was blubbering like a little baby).

Then Dallas starts throwing balls into the stands. At first to those gathered near the dugout, but then higher and farther into the second deck! We went nuts and started waving our arms like crazy and calling his name. So he tosses one, like it was nothing, all the way to 216!

It lodged into the gap of the seat in the row right in front of us! It was the perfect ending to a season full of surprises, and LongTimeFan now has an amazing souvenir.

by lynnzgal on Sep 27, 2010 6:06 PM PDT reply actions  

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