Coco Crisp is Really, Really Good
by danmerqury on Sep 21, 2010 7:00 AM PDT
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PrintIf you haven't heard, Coco Crisp has broken his left pinky finger again while sliding into a base, and he is likely out for the remainder of the season. With all of the talk about 2011's $5.75MM option and how much of this year's strong performance he'll carry into 2011, I'd like to get a little distance from the predictive talk and just marvel at how dynamic of a performance his 2010 season really was.
Now, first off, there's no dodging the big black mark about Coco—he's fragile. Two broken pinkies cut out a large chunk of his playing time, leaving him close to 200 plate appearances shy of qualifying for the batting title. And yet, his performance was so great that we're left to wonder what could have been.
This kind of thing is far easier in little bite-sized factoid form.
If he qualified, Coco Crisp's bat would rank second among all centerfielders.
Coco's .360 wOBA is only surpassed by Colby Rasmus's .374. And even if you included all of the part-time centerfielders (Josh Hamilton, Carlos Gonzalez, etc.), Coco would still rank fifth. That production is a career best for Crisp.
At the rate he was playing, Coco Crisp would have been a top 20 player in all of baseball.
His 3.1 WAR leads every player on the Oakland roster not named Daric Barton. But with a full season of 650 plate appearances? He'd have accumulated 6.1 WAR, which is easily All-Star level.
The last time an Oakland centerfielder put together a better offensive season than Coco this year? Dave Henderson, in 1988.
No, seriously. You have to go back 22 years to find an A's centerfielder with a season wOBA higher than Crisp's .360. Dave Henderson batted .304/.363/.525 for a wOBA of .387 that season.
Both UZR and Dewan +/- agree that Crisp has saved the 9th most runs on defense among all centerfielders—and he's had half the playing time of most of the guys above him.
If you go by UZR/150, which adjusts everybody's playing time to 150 defensive games, Coco Crisp is the second-most talented centerfielder in the majors, behind Tony Gwynn, Jr.
Even in his limited playing time, Coco Crisp has been worth every penny. Oakland really hasn't made too many great free agent signings like this.
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I wanted to put Coco in LF and keep Rajai in CF. Boy am I dumb.
Of course Rajai had to play a lot of CF in Coco’s absence, but he was much worse at it.
I hate Bob Geren and his peanut brain so much -- lenscrafters
In this year's half-season sample for both guys, sure.
Before this year, they were pretty close to a wash in center.
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by thejd44 on Sep 21, 2010 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions
They really were not
Prior to this year, Crisp had accrued approximately .57 fielding runs above average per replacement run accrued. Davis, about .37.
That’s already a significant difference even before you realize that Davis’s numbers had to be regressed much more heavily toward the mean because of a smaller sample size.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
You have a point on regression, but before this year, I'm pretty sure Davis' CF UZR was better than Coco's.
I forget the exact numbers, but if it wasn’t better, it was close.
Rajai Davis’ defense might be the most underrated thing I’ve ever seen on AN, and I’m not sure there’s a close second.
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by thejd44 on Sep 21, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
?
Before this season, most people overrated Davis’s defense.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Meh
There’s no good reason to use CF UZR alone instead of OF UZR plus the positional adjustment. Certainly innings played as an infielder should be excluded, but the total OF sample size is a far better estimate of capability than constraining it to only innings played in CF when the outfielder in question has rotated around a lot.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Are the outfield assists or the lack thereof
a part of UZR?
"Good thing you can't hit, otherwise everybody would hate you"
– H.J.S., my ex coach (while drunkenly talking to me during a team visit to a strip joint)
I can't swear to it
but UZR includes an ARM rating and I cannot imagine that baserunner kills would not be included in that rating.
Crisp has put up his gaudy fielding numbers in spite of consistently subpar (about -3 runs per full season in center field) ARM ratings.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Minor minor point
Outfield assists are not a great measure of the outfielder’s arm. Kinda like errors
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
I mean, I'm right about his talent (or rather lack thereof)
but I don’t see how the A’s can trade him and I hardly see them releasing the only other guy on the current roster who can really play an even semi-effective CF.
The current situation will continue for another year. Then if the farm hasn’t spit out a long-term answer (and basically the only option at this point is Corey Brown, I think, but they may convert someone like Weeks to outfield), sign David DeJesus.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
by PaulThomas on Sep 21, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well if they're willing to go with DeJesus then they might as well use Sweeney, no?
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by WaddellCanseco on Sep 21, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
DeJesus is a much better hitter than Sweeney is
If Sweeney is 100% healthy and capable of playing center, then yeah, you probably don’t need DeJesus.
I’m assuming, since this is the A’s we’re talking about here, that Sweeney has fallen into an oubliette.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
You and I might not see much trade value in Davis,
but there are still a lot of GM’s that put stock in his .271 BA and 45 SB’s. Also the fact that he can play any OF position is a plus. I wouldn’t trade FOR him, but I could see GM’s like Coletti doing so.
I can't see DDJ's option being declined.
They can always trade him at the deadline.
Needs moar dingerz.
His option is for next season
I agree it’s 100% certain that KC will exercise it, but they don’t control him after 2011.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
somebody teach him to slide better!
I’m looking at you, RH.
Did this 2nd break also happen when he slid?
If so, then that is somewhat of a concern.
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by stranahanahan on Sep 21, 2010 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
apparently, yes
at least according to this post.
he might try holding his batting gloves in his hand while on the basepaths
other players do that specifically to protect their fingers in head-first slides
perhaps the Ronnie Lott option - remove the pinky.
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There's a HUGE difference between "Coco Crisp is Really, Really Good" and "Coco Crisp has been way, way better in 2010 than his career performance suggests he should be"
The second one is absolutely true. His up and down career (mostly down for the past 5 years) suggests he’s likely an average player who had a really good injury-filled year.
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by thejd44 on Sep 21, 2010 7:39 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
He's 70.7 runs above average for his career by Fangraphs
It’s not very likely that he’s an average player.
There’s nothing wildly out of line about his 2010— I mean he’s kind of incrementally better in a bunch of areas, but there’s no particular stat sticking out like a sore thumb.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Or in Coco's case, sticking out like a sore left pinky
Now there's nothing left to say, so let's go drink beer.
by doctorK on Sep 21, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
His bat sure does.
He hasn’t hit this well in many years.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
It's hard to just look at WAR because he can never play a full season
But he’s basically either really good or really not anything special. That may be related directly to how healthy he is in a season, but “Coco Crisp is really, really good when healthy” doesn’t change the fact that it’s silly to expect him to be really, really good in any particular season.
I think Crisp is just as likely to put up a WAR that’s anywhere from replacement to 1.5 next year as he is to have a season like he had this year. I’m not saying don’t pick up his option. I’d just like to save the superlatives for guys who actually deserve them.
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by thejd44 on Sep 21, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
That's actually a good thing
Having a player who might blow up for 6 WAR or might get hurt and be 0 WAR is a lot better than just a blase 3 WAR dude when you’re in a trail position in a division race.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
BABIP checks out as normal, LD% is within career norms.
Like Paul says, there’s nothing that sticks out as obviously wrong.
Except his full season WAR would put him way, WAY beyond anything he's ever done
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by thejd44 on Sep 21, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
In those previous seasons... how many games did he play?
by Brett Narloch on Sep 21, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
In his previous 3 best seasons he played 139, 145, and 145 games
With WARs of 3.9, 3.9, and 4.9. This year he had a WAR of 3.2 in 75 games. So, like I said, a full season (or even 145 games) of 2010 would put him way, WAY beyond anything he’s ever done. By a full win.
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by thejd44 on Sep 21, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
WARs of 3.9 and 4.9 still make him the best OF the A's can probably expect to have...
That’s not that far off from Crawford’s norm.
by Brett Narloch on Sep 21, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Even if extrapolated WAR is not solid enough to really talk about (and it's not)
3.2 WAR is a pretty good number for a full season. Even if his actual full season WAR would only have ended up coming out to 4.0 (definitely a possibility, given his occasional streakiness—I remember people saying he was a bust when he slumped after his initial outburst), that’s a fine outfielder to have on this team.
The most likely reality is that he’s 3.5-4.0 consistently for a few years. Pick up that option and sign him for a bunch more years for cheap.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 21, 2010 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Just for reference.
The A’s have had only 3 position players put up >3.5 WAR in a season from 2007-2010: Barton (2010), Sweeney (2009), Ellis (2007).
3 in four years? That’s really bad.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Sep 21, 2010 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
The more I look at Crisp's career the more I'm convinced that 2010 is a ridiculous aberration
All his offensive numbers are just so out of line with what he usually does (2005 is the closest comp). wRC+, wOBA, etc. He’s been a below average hitter for his career.
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by thejd44 on Sep 21, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
You're arguing that an extrapolated 6.1 WAR year is an aberration.
Well, no shit. No one is arguing that he’s a consistent 6 win player.
Over a full season, he’s regularly around a 3.5-4 WAR player. That’s still really, really good. I don’t really get why you hate the guy so much and keep arguing he’s average.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes.
His career OPS+ is all of six points better than Rajai Davis’ career figure.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
imagine if Rajai hadn't pulled last year out of his ass.
A 108 OPS+ from a guy who had never been above 92 before in his career is pretty out of the ordinary.
Crisp’s OPS+ is 112 this year. He’s had seasons of 117 and 110 before in his career.
Pam liked my old sig better.
Yeah, five and six years ago he did.
I love how players like Rajai and Cust either get a pass on their performance or no credit for it, depending on who it is and what predisposition that person has to said player.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
Which means he's obviously got the ability to do it.
I don’t get why people want to bend over backward to say Crisp isn’t good.
Pam liked my old sig better.
No, it means he had the ability to do it five or six years ago.
I don’t see anyone who’s trying to say Crisp isn’t good. I do see people not wanting to make him out to be Rickey Henderson.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
Really, really good
Top 20 player in baseball, 6.1 WAR…
He’s a slightly below average hitter (which plays as average in CF) with a superlative glove, who happens to be hitting out of his head this year.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
JFC, really?
At the rate he was playing, Coco Crisp would have been a top 20 player in all of baseball.
I made the important part bold for you. DM didn’t say COCO CRISP IS ONE OF THE BEST 20 PLAYERS IN BASEBALL. He put his season into perspective. Nowhere did he allude to this being Crisp’s true talent level, as opposed to everybody and their brother wanting to claim that Rajai Davis was for real last year because “he just needed consistent playing time” which was untrue, because he never played consistently because he wasn’t good enough to do so.
Pam liked my old sig better.
Exactly.
I’d like to get a little distance from the predictive talk and just marvel at how dynamic of a performance his 2010 season really was.
Wow, thanks for the attitude.
Nothing new from you, of course. The title of the diary is “Coco Crisp IS really, really good.”
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
I have a child at home.
I don’t need one on the internet, too. Have a nice day.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
People hate the idea that we might actually have good players.
If you constantly tell yourself that your players suck, you’re never disappointed in a negative outcome. My guess is that PT and DFA haven’t been disappointed in an A’s season in 10 years.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 21, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
there's an element of the "i hate jack cust" illogic to this discussion.
person A: jack cust is the best hitter on the team.
person B: but strickouts
A: right, including strike-outs, he’s the best hitter on the team.
B: but strickouts11111
A: nevermind
I don't think so.
DFA and PT are too smart to think that way. They’re more appropriately described as pessimistic realists. They see the flaws in a player and err on the side of believing that those flaws will not be overcome.
History often shows them to be right, but that has a lot to do with how the team is run. Curt Young and Dave Duncan have worked wonders with pitchers. There are hitting coaches, baserunning coaches, and defensive coaches that have done just as well in their respective roles.
The flaws in a player, if the talent is there, can be overcome, and that’s often the difference between a talented player and a talented player who plays up to his ability. Mark McGwire’s power may have come from his muscles and his steroids, but his sweet swing—not present in the late 80s and early 90s, definitely present in the second half of his career—was learned. Rickey Henderson had the mental acuity and the physical speed to steal bases, but he’ll be the first to tell you that a lot of his craft was learned from coaches and other players.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 21, 2010 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Who are these hitting coaches, baserunning coaches, and defensive coaches?
Where are the studies proving their effectiveness?
If it’s so easy to “fix” players, why are MLB teams so unbelievably bad at it?
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Davis's career figure is heavily influenced by his outlandish BABIP in '09
It’s also, like the UZR number, a much smaller sample and thus much more likely to be incorrect.
Finally, it includes the games he played in 2006 and 2007, before he decided that taking pitches is for sissies and Communists.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
You're saying that he used to take pitches, and now he doesn't?
As in, a hitter’s approach is a learned behavior and can be changed?
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 21, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
It's much easier to do things to not succeed than it is to learn and do things that lead to success.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Sep 21, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
That seems really adage-y.
Taking pitches vs. swinging at them is not some skill that has inherently good and bad sides, like not getting up on time for work, or paying attention while driving. Some hitters need to swing more often. Some need to swing less often. It’s a spectrum, not an either/or. If the behavior is changeable one way, it has to be reversible the other way.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 21, 2010 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
In Davis's case, it's clear that not taking pitches hurts his offensive performance.
It’s a lot easier to adopt a hacktastic Rajai Davis plate approach than to develop an advanced Jack Cust approach. I would think this is intuitive.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Sep 21, 2010 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Almost any behavior can be trained and learned.
And if Rajai used to take a lot of pitches, and now he doesn’t, then re-learning that fundamental skill should be an attainable goal.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 21, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
That too
but my reply was going to be that Rajai Davis might be able to change it, but the A’s damn well cannot.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
he was at least more disciplined than now
Now, it looks like in certain PAs his only goal is to make contact. Pitchers and scouts have figured this out and realize they can throw a slider three feet outside and he’ll swing at it.
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by cuppingmaster on Sep 21, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Is there such a thing?
Is there such a thing as a glove a baserunner would put on after reaching base that would act as a finger brace (keeping his fingers protected when sliding)? It seems like practically every player takes off a shin guard when reaching base—how about putting on protection when you get there? I’ve followed baseball a long time but I’ve never seen this done.
Not really. That's actually why you see players take off their batting gloves and hold them in their clenched fists when they run.
Which it sort of amazes me that nobody has suggested to Coco.
Pam liked my old sig better.
Yes
But basestealers don’t slide feet first.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Sep 21, 2010 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions
(Lou Brock sighs)
I hate Bob Geren and his peanut brain so much -- lenscrafters
by WaddellCanseco on Sep 21, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
MOST don't
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Sep 21, 2010 1:57 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Good work mobile commenting
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Sep 21, 2010 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions
MOST don't
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Sep 21, 2010 1:57 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Post-Rickey they don't.
Rickey revolutionized the stolen base. His methodology, which was largely new at the time he developed it, has become the orthodoxy, and with good reason.
Of course, Jose Canseco had pretty good success with that weird hook slide in 1988. 40 SBs is nothing to sneeze at for a power hitter. (And yes, I know.)
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 21, 2010 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
And what about the risks to other players?
He really should get one of these customized for his pinky, so that shards of bone aren’t flying around the field.
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by The Dogfather on Sep 21, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
and how much worse would Crisp really be if we just cut off his pinkies?
They can’t be worth more than a couple runs each, so maybe he’s more like 5.7 WAR, but healthy.
Yeah, but then you know he'll never get beyond 8.
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yipin wid pikny at this moment
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Bad timing, Dannycakes. Dude can't stay healthy.
You can’t be good if you can’t stay on the field. I learned that in primary school.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Even with the injuries,
He’s been our second-most valuable player. It’s kinda like signing Duchscherer. You know he can’t pitch a full season, but half a season of Duke combined with half a season of his replacement is still a damn good pitching season.
And don't be surprised if Duke gets an invite to ST either
After all the money the A’s pais him the last two years for a handful of starts, he very well might get an invite to see if he can still pitch and maybe get a league minimum deal. Personally, I’d love to see Duke make a comeback…..
"By the end of the year, I'll have Dallas throwing right-handed'' -Ben Sheets
I'd like to see Duke able to walk when he's 40
BBall is taking a toll on him, and will do so until he retires.
Sadly.
by MobiusKlein on Sep 21, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Sadly, that may also be true
Still gotta love a guy that never gives up…….
"By the end of the year, I'll have Dallas throwing right-handed'' -Ben Sheets
that's called tragedy
hamlet couldn’t stop his mad obsession either.
The injuries this year were freak sort of things
The pinky in the BB series game, and again now. The ribcage injury when he returned. I’m not so concerned about stuff that’s bad luck. As career a year as he’s having with the bat and glove, his luck with injuries has been equally dreadful. He was using the sliding gloves for awhile, but I don’t remember either way whether he used them or not recently.
Like mike suggested, they ought to just tell him to slide with his fists clenched, instead.
I was on the fence before, but seeing how he hits and how he plays CF, $6M is a steal for next year’s option. BB needs to have his head examined if he doesn’t pick it up.
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
You got it right cup!
And it’s funny I was thinking about some sort of protective device that Coco could wear on his pinky/hand while I was reading this post….
Absolutely, picking up Coco’s option next year is a no brainer and I have always been a fan of his game because we have seen what the guy can do when he’s on the field….that’s the real key here, isn’t it? Preventative medicine for Coco….is there such a thing?
A far as Rajai goes, he just seems to be a one dimensional player at this point. I don’t think the A’s can afford to have him on the roster next year unless he can show he’s capable of getting on base more than 30% of the time and learning some basic fundamentals at the plate. Otherwise, the A’s are not that deep enough of a team next year, even with adding a couple of bats, that they can afford to stash a guy like Raj unless the injury cycle never stops. And let’s hope it doe stop sooner than later!
Go A’s!
"By the end of the year, I'll have Dallas throwing right-handed'' -Ben Sheets
In Seattle?
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by WaddellCanseco on Sep 21, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Is Coco Crisp happy in Oakland?
Has he expressed any interest in staying?
by Jimmy McSquiggins on Sep 21, 2010 10:13 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
BTW, I know it's a team option
I was just wondering.
by Jimmy McSquiggins on Sep 21, 2010 10:13 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I think he likes it on Oakland
The A’s took a chance on him and that shows him something….either way it’s only a one year option.
"By the end of the year, I'll have Dallas throwing right-handed'' -Ben Sheets
Ellis should be declined
He may be re-signed, but his option is too much.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
Don't look now but Fangraphs has his WAR at 2.3 now
His late August/September has made it seem like his option isn’t too terrible after all.
Of course, if he’d take a pay cut I’m not complaining.
AN: Where you will be an A's fan or Dallas Braden will show you the repercussions of your actions.
by stranahanahan on Sep 21, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Huh?
I care because it depends how much financial flexibility we will have next year and where we will attempt to find replacements…
AN: Where you will be an A's fan or Dallas Braden will show you the repercussions of your actions.
by stranahanahan on Sep 21, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
You don't know the limits
So it’s pretty irrelevant.
We're talking +/- $2M likely
Once you subtract the buyout. My guess is that based on the 2010 pitching staff’s success, raising the salary limit would be in order.
Well yeah
But it also depends on whether we will be looking to find a replacement 2B whether through trade, FA, or internally…
Also, $2M is not hugely substantial, but that is money that could help to nudge a contract offer just a bit higher…
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by stranahanahan on Sep 21, 2010 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I've said this before and I'll say it again
How much money the team has in a Swiss bank account somewhere does not and should not influence the payroll moves that the team makes.
What does and should influence that is the cost of the move relative to the expected profits of that move. If the equation is positive, make the move. If not, don’t.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
he said he likes it here. the fans have been good
and its been fun.
by heartstopper on Sep 21, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
you're faster on the quickpost, sir!
I think it was on Comcast
"Feel so bad, feel like a ballgame on a rainy day"-Lightnin' Hopkins
by justANotherAsFan on Sep 22, 2010 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions
I remember an interview where he said yes to both of those, enthusiastically
"Feel so bad, feel like a ballgame on a rainy day"-Lightnin' Hopkins
by justANotherAsFan on Sep 22, 2010 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Here it is again....
Crisp hinted that he would like to return. “I’ve had a lot of fun,” he said. “I love these guys. The fans have treated me well. I took the option because I wanted to come here. But it’s up to them to make the decisions they feel will help the team.”
"By the end of the year, I'll have Dallas throwing right-handed'' -Ben Sheets
by mrod on Sep 21, 2010 10:20 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
A hitter who's on the DL all the time wants to stay with the A's, yay!!!
If anything, Crisp is certainly a “True Athletic” and we just gotta sign him because we know we will get like, 40 good games out of him ;)
Those 40 good games - if they're as good as this year - would still make him worth the money though
(See, I’m not anti-Crisp. I’m anti-making Crisp sound like he’s Willie damn Mays)
www.zekeishungry.com
by thejd44 on Sep 21, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
OVER/UNDER
With all the Crisp discussion how about setting a line for 2011 games played for the A’s.
I say 110 games for the over/under.
by kimo from kauai on Sep 21, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
i'm confused. is the point to win games or play all 162 games?
he helps us win games and his slated salary for next year is not extravagant given his quality play.
I'm in the glass half-full category
As in,
half a glass of Cocoa is better than none
"Feel so bad, feel like a ballgame on a rainy day"-Lightnin' Hopkins
by justANotherAsFan on Sep 22, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Awesome
I love reading things like that from our players.
by Jimmy McSquiggins on Sep 21, 2010 10:22 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
More telling stats..
Only a .307 BABIP, so he isn’t just being “lucky”. That’s pretty average BABIP for such a high wOBA. GB/FB rate has decreased signficantly this year to 1.27, but that may be more attributed him playing at the Coliseum and adjusting accordingly. Plate discipline wise, he’s trending to his averages, but making much more contact on outside the zone pitches (74% vs. 63% average). That worries me a little that he is not as disciplined as before. However, this might be more of a holdover effect from being on the DL so much and being too eager.
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
Significantly fewer pitches are being treated by Fangraphs as "in zone" this year
Almost every player has higher O-Swing and O-Contact figures this year because more relatively “ok” pitches are being treated as out of the strike zone.
Significant caution is required when using those figures across seasons because pitch f/x is recalibrated between seasons.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
thanks
for the heads up. didn’t know about this and will heed more attention to it in the future…
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
"Any fan that wants us to do that is going to be disappointed because that just isn’t us." - Wolff
"Just play for the name in front of the uniform.." - Dallas Braden
"Oakland is the emotional choice, and could still work, but San Jose really is the best choice." - UncleLeo
by ST on Sep 21, 2010 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd like to keep him
but let’s not get carried away wiht how good he is. There’s no way he’s going to hit for this much power again.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
This is all I'm really saying, too.
www.zekeishungry.com
by thejd44 on Sep 21, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
A better title for this diary would be
Coco Crisp Has Had a Really, Really Good Helf-Season
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
Career ISO: .133
Current ISO: .159
Again, barely a blip on the statistical fluke radar screen.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
26 points of slugging?
Seriously?
That’s like 3 runs a season, maybe 4.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
3-Year Extension
Sign him to a 3 year deal, including next year. His injuries are pretty fluky, and he’s a Ninja to boot – http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/491595/ …
3-Years/20-Million for a legit CF/Leadoff guy sounds good to me. A’s just need to invest in some hand/pinky guards next year.
That video was awesome!
Full disclosure, I got punched in the face last week. Full on sucker punch, for no reason.
I need lessons from Crisp on how to avoid a punch…
AN: Where you will be an A's fan or Dallas Braden will show you the repercussions of your actions.
by stranahanahan on Sep 21, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I lof him.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
yeah
Red Sox fans were such haters of Coco, I never really understood why. Now, after following him up close, it’s clear there was no good reason and it’s just another example of BoSox fans being douche bags.
by Billy Frijoles on Sep 21, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Same reason they hate J.D. Drew
He was built up as the second coming before he arrived, so anything less than HOF-caliber play makes for instant hatred.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
Ironically, his putative replacement in Ellsbury
Might be the only position player in the majors with WORSE injury luck than Coco.
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Sep 21, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah those douche bags who demand excellence... and fill the stands every game...
They’re such bad fans.
by Brett Narloch on Sep 21, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Sam Allardyce could win the World Series every year if he managed the Red Sox
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Sam Allardyce can [censored] die the [censored] [censored].
Sack him yesterday, stupid arrogant [censored].
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
have you actually talked to any red sox fans?
I went to college in Pittsburgh, a lot of people from new england went to the school.
They are completely insufferable and winning the WS actually made them worse.
by Billy Frijoles on Sep 21, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I've found them among the most loyal and knowledgeable, but I don't know any
SF Bay area Red Sox fans.
I hate Bob Geren and his peanut brain so much -- lenscrafters
by WaddellCanseco on Sep 21, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Loyal and knowledgeable - definitely
Also douchy, stuck up, and terrible guests at the Coliseum. Not all of them are like this, but definitely more than fans of most teams in my experience.
by Billy Frijoles on Sep 21, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
The fans who yelled the "n" word at Dave Stewart, as he warme du[ in the Fenway Pen abck in 1988, can suck a fat one
But so can the idiots at the Coliseum who threw coins at Ichiro, a cell phone at Carl Everett, etc.
Every team has douchey fans. The Red Sox just have a lot more fans and therefore, more douches.
by jeffro on Sep 21, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He wasn't very good in 2 of his 3 years there
And the one year he was good it was a crazy high UZR that provide the value.
www.zekeishungry.com
by thejd44 on Sep 21, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Imagine 2010 A's season
Where Crisp was healthy entire year, we signed Beltre instead of trading for Kouzmanoff, Anderson didn’t miss any time and Chavez wasn’t allowed to make a fool out of himself while Cust rotted in Sacramento.
"Rollins helps them with the small ball when he's not in the lineup." - Joe Morgan
Yes, we would.
The difference between us and the Rangers, qualitatively, is not very much.
"I wasn't able to extend so I had a serious lack of extension."--Dallas Braden
by StJosephBurningTheOakTreesToTheGround on Sep 21, 2010 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions
More likely, the team would be in a tight pennant race
despite having had unbelievably good luck.
They’d basically be the AL version of the Giants.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
Balls!
cried the Queen…
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Sep 21, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Interesting ESPN Insider tidbit about the Rockies potentially using non-humidor balls when they are batting.
http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/features/rumors?&action=login&appRedirect=http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/features/rumors#7133
and the Rockies even admitted that there is no oversight to the humidor process.
What a colossal story if that were to have any sort of truth to it.
Pam liked my old sig better.
We need to get elcroata on this, stat!
Reminds me of the Twins grounds crew turning on the A/C and fans in the Metrodome when the Twinkies were batting…
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
It reminds me of the basketball league
in former Yugoslavia in the late eighties. Sibenka (Nets Drazen Petrovic’ first team) were doctoring the game clock – it always ran faster when they were ahead and slower when they were losing.
They were also turning on a huge fan when opponents were shooting free throws.
"Good thing you can't hit, otherwise everybody would hate you"
– H.J.S., my ex coach (while drunkenly talking to me during a team visit to a strip joint)
I had heard a related one where in the Astrodome, the 'stros turned on the A/C full blast from the CF vents
When the visitors were batting
!#%&$#@&%&% antioxidants! - pam
by cuppingmaster on Sep 21, 2010 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions
what would dud selig do if it was true
I’ll be dyslexic, and say kaj tish
Not sure. Is there even a rule against it?
I hate Bob Geren and his peanut brain so much -- lenscrafters
by WaddellCanseco on Sep 21, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
It may fall under the rule about doctoring the baseball, but without having the MLB rulebook I don't know if it specifically applies to players.
Pam liked my old sig better.
I was thinking about that a couple of weeks ago.
Wouldnt be surprised if it was true.
didn't read
but OP said “potentially using non-humidor balls when they are batting.”
here is another
Kevin Kahn, the Rockies’ vice president of ballpark operations, said dozens of game balls are removed from the humidor (in a room near the Rockies’ clubhouse) on game day, rubbed up by the umpires’ attendant and deposited into a ball bag that is returned to the humidor. After the national anthem, the attendant transfers the ball bag from the humidor to the end of the Rockies’ dugout.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
This one's not insider as well
it looks like Shea is Neyer's source
And Shea’s source is jon miller’s imagination.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
not espn insider...
but does it say how this would work? because the home plate umpire generally has several balls in his pouch. how could the rockies be sure that a non-humidor ball isn’t used while the other team is batting?
or Eddie Gaedel
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Sep 21, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Try this
When the ump asks for new balls, if the Rockies are batting, in a rally or no out, get them from the dry bag. Otherwise, get them from the humidified bag.
It's be akin to turning the lights on in the bottom half of an inning
or changing the AC in a dome.
But how is it done (not a insider). Don’t the umps rub up the balls before the games and give them to the bat young people?
The conspiracy would have to be pretty big.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
I was wondering the same
I’ve never seen a game where home and away balls could be separated
"Good thing you can't hit, otherwise everybody would hate you"
– H.J.S., my ex coach (while drunkenly talking to me during a team visit to a strip joint)
That is why I think people here are getting over worked about CarGon
I looked up his splits and his BA is like 100pts higher and he has twice as many home runs at home. Granted he is still better than Oaklands outfielders. If he was in Oakland he would be like Kouz.
by gambler on Sep 21, 2010 1:34 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
He has more power than Kouzmanoff. But a low OBP maybe.
I hate Bob Geren and his peanut brain so much -- lenscrafters
by WaddellCanseco on Sep 21, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Carter will make us forget about CarGon
by Billy Frijoles on Sep 21, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think you fully grasp just how unlikely this is
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
carter bad
bad makes us drink lots
drink lots makes us forget.
I give it a 2% chance it could happen.
He'll put up a ~.380 wOBA and play plus defense in whatever outfield position?
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
by lenscrafters on Sep 21, 2010 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Finally a good analysis!
JK, sort of.
"Good thing you can't hit, otherwise everybody would hate you"
– H.J.S., my ex coach (while drunkenly talking to me during a team visit to a strip joint)
If I ever make it as a writer
I’ll make sure to try to hire you as an agent :)
"Good thing you can't hit, otherwise everybody would hate you"
– H.J.S., my ex coach (while drunkenly talking to me during a team visit to a strip joint)
What? You don't consider AN "making it as a writer"???
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Not yet
The goal is 500 recs ;-)
"Good thing you can't hit, otherwise everybody would hate you"
– H.J.S., my ex coach (while drunkenly talking to me during a team visit to a strip joint)
You're gonna go down.
Especially once we finally get those graphs.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Poor baby.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
How about "recs/150"?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Don't need to
18 recs, 75 posts would be a “36” recs/150.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Obviously --
Just look at their “Reader Independent” numbers and it’s clear.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
IBWT, meet elcroata
A's Fan in Sweden
"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime
International Bank Wire Transfer?
Thanks, but that wasn’t necessary, really
"Good thing you can't hit, otherwise everybody would hate you"
– H.J.S., my ex coach (while drunkenly talking to me during a team visit to a strip joint)
I'm just trying to get your drug muling business off the ground.
A's Fan in Sweden
"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime
Yeah, it's really slow since Bonds and Clemens retired
"Good thing you can't hit, otherwise everybody would hate you"
– H.J.S., my ex coach (while drunkenly talking to me during a team visit to a strip joint)
You really want to see Nico dance?
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
by pam5981 on Sep 21, 2010 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Neekster don' dance.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
but do we really need 3 years of data?
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
I want a section in Overflow Game Threads, pls.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Sorry.
Your raffle ticket number came up when I read the numbers assigned to the stats discourse section.
You use the word "raffle" like I Just won something.
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
Oh no that's TERRIBLE!!!!!
Never mind. I thought you said “Matts and Other Delights.”
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
That's true
Front page writers would have hella more if their work appeared on the sidebars.
"Good thing you can't hit, otherwise everybody would hate you"
– H.J.S., my ex coach (while drunkenly talking to me during a team visit to a strip joint)
But that must be including the comments recs, right?
I’m not counting those – the goal is 500 on posts alone.
"Good thing you can't hit, otherwise everybody would hate you"
– H.J.S., my ex coach (while drunkenly talking to me during a team visit to a strip joint)
That's because I firmly believe
that 500 recs should be the counting stat that will get me into AN Hall Of Fame. I want my nickname retired, I want Don to write my induction speech and I want monkeyball to answer the “He’s finally in!” part with a “TWSS”. There will be goat cheese and linguistics, numbers and butts, oh such festivities.
Hopefully nobody will ever find out that I spend my weekends in Vegas, betting on over/under on danmerqury’s front page posts’ recs.
"Good thing you can't hit, otherwise everybody would hate you"
– H.J.S., my ex coach (while drunkenly talking to me during a team visit to a strip joint)
by elcroata on Sep 22, 2010 2:19 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
rec'd
The funny thing about baseball is that people will believe what they want to believe. -Joe Posnanski 8/29/09
You are invited
It will be so much fun
"Good thing you can't hit, otherwise everybody would hate you"
– H.J.S., my ex coach (while drunkenly talking to me during a team visit to a strip joint)
off the top of my head
I think he has like 8home runs on the road and the rest in possible humidor free colorado
by gambler on Sep 21, 2010 2:15 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Could you guys stop talking about injured left pinkies?
On a side and a good note: I’ll get to keep mine.
"Good thing you can't hit, otherwise everybody would hate you"
– H.J.S., my ex coach (while drunkenly talking to me during a team visit to a strip joint)
You got one
Never heard of rate payments?
"Good thing you can't hit, otherwise everybody would hate you"
– H.J.S., my ex coach (while drunkenly talking to me during a team visit to a strip joint)
If AN is anything like my bank
It’s probably 8458905 by now
"Good thing you can't hit, otherwise everybody would hate you"
– H.J.S., my ex coach (while drunkenly talking to me during a team visit to a strip joint)
but if its like the interest in my savings account
2.0000000000000000000000008458905
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
Just so you know
that picture was by far not the worst one
"Good thing you can't hit, otherwise everybody would hate you"
– H.J.S., my ex coach (while drunkenly talking to me during a team visit to a strip joint)
Good to hear, elcroata.
Maybe you could start a club with Coco. Call it the I Hate Pinkies club or something.
Tell me why I don't like pinkies...
"Good thing you can't hit, otherwise everybody would hate you"
– H.J.S., my ex coach (while drunkenly talking to me during a team visit to a strip joint)
That was Bob Geldof reference, actually
"Good thing you can't hit, otherwise everybody would hate you"
– H.J.S., my ex coach (while drunkenly talking to me during a team visit to a strip joint)
the silicon chip inside my hand gets switched to overload.
"The ego, the super-ego, and the Ed" - dannycakes
I cut part of my left pinkie off when I was three.
A's Fan in Sweden
"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime
More power to the LPC (Left Pinky Club)
I had a tip of my middle finger chopped off with an axe when I was four, but they managed to sew it back.
"Good thing you can't hit, otherwise everybody would hate you"
– H.J.S., my ex coach (while drunkenly talking to me during a team visit to a strip joint)
Psh, mine GREW back.
How crazy is that? I’m pretty sure that’s not supposed to happen.
A's Fan in Sweden
"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime
Wow, A's should fire Larry Davis and hire YOU!
"Good thing you can't hit, otherwise everybody would hate you"
– H.J.S., my ex coach (while drunkenly talking to me during a team visit to a strip joint)
Jack Cust
Jack Cust gets a lot of walk, yea he has a good obp..but with two outs and runners on base we dont need a walk or a strike out. he bats in the 220 230 range with runners on base and runners in scoring position. i cant live with this another year.. he bats over 300 with no one on base and this is when he usually gets his home runs…. I would rather had a solid contact hitter batting three and 4th who cares about power…..
by firebillyhireme on Sep 21, 2010 5:28 PM PDT reply actions
I challenge everyone to ignore this comment instead of having the usual flame war.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Oh, and to save others the trouble on the data, here it is:
Career, bases empty: .241/.373/.445 (.818 OPS)
Career, RISP: .247/.409/.444 (.853 OPS)
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Neither?
Kouz is too good at defense, and we’ve got nobody to replace him, except for Iwamura. And I think Beane likes Jackson too much to let him go.
Offering Jackson arbitration would be,
and I do not say this lightly, the single stupidest decision that Billy Beane has ever made as the GM of a baseball team.
Not the one with the worst consequences (the Holliday trade probably takes the cake on that one), but the most predictably stupid one. Jackson would not get $1M from a team as a free agent. He’d be very lucky to even land a major league contract. Arbitration would give him about $4M.
It would be astoundingly dumb. I mean they might as well use the dollar bills to fill in that filthy canal outside the Coliseum.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
No chance on Kouz. Depending on off-season moves
I could see Jackson going either way.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
(But not enough good ones)
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
CoJack I think gets nontendered and brought back for less
because of his injuries.
Gabe Gross, Rajai Davis (PLEASE, BILLY), are hopeful nontenders.
Needs moar dingerz.
Rajai I wouldn't mind keeping around.
His defense and speed are useful as a defensive replacement/4th OF. As a starter? Not so much.
He's a good "Look, I'm Coco Crisp!"
when Coco’s injured.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
only one hairstyle, though
"Feel so bad, feel like a ballgame on a rainy day"-Lightnin' Hopkins
by justANotherAsFan on Sep 22, 2010 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Really don't think the A's should throw 3MM at him though
with all those steals, he’s a safe bet to get a 3MM award in arb, since its his 2nd year.
Arbitrators aren’t smart.
Needs moar dingerz.
Neither is Rajai, so it's a wash.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I really don't think his defense is that good either.
I’m not a fan at 3 MM.
A's Fan in Sweden
"Some of us know him as the a-hole who piled into Ray Fosse in an All-Star game (it's why Ray is the way he is folks)" - OptimistPrime
Actually, many of them are
Just not at baseball. They’re a bunch of fancy-pants lawyers.
"We don't want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object," said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
This is a surprise to me
Does MLB use the same set of arbitrators that I’d use in a beef with my insurance company?
Somehow I’d never considered that possibility, even though the awards seemed based on superficial stats. Obviously teams don’t much like the process. Players might not enjoy it after a down year, but it mostly seems to work to their advantage that teams will try to negotiate instead of going into arb…
"Feel so bad, feel like a ballgame on a rainy day"-Lightnin' Hopkins
by justANotherAsFan on Sep 22, 2010 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions
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