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2010 Fan Scouting Report - Need A's Fans!

Measuring defense is really, really hard.  One can criticize any of the popular defensive metrics. In fact, I bet you spend a lot of time on AN doing just that.  But you know what, I'd rather have a scout's opinion of a player's defense.  Wait scratch that.  I'd rather have a dozen scouts' opinions.

Now here's the dirty little secret: you're a scout.  I am too.  We watch every A's game, which means we watch Mark Ellis go to his left, Daric Barton do the splits, and Jack Cust lumber after pop ups more than any professional scout.  By putting our honest observations together, we can come up with a consensus scouting profile on any player.  And I'm asking you to tap into that potential.

That's what the Fan Scouting Report is all about.  Every year, Tom Tango asks thousands of fans to give their scouting reports by rating fielders in a variety of categories.  Says Tom:

What I would like to do now is tap that pool of talent. I want you to tell me what your eyes see. I want you to tell me how good or bad a fielder is. Go down, and start selecting the team(s) that you watch all the time. For any player that you've seen play in at least 10 games in 2010, I want you to judge his performance in 7 specific fielding categories.

And best of all:

And, most importantly, do not, absolutely do not, look at any numbers. Don't look at his fielding percentage, range factor, zone rating, UZR, or anything else that someone else is telling you. I just want you to rely on your eyes. You are the scout. I need you to rely completely on your own observations.

Tom's been doing this every year for over five years now, so we're starting to get good historical data.  In some cases the fans agree with the numbers.  In other cases, they disagree.  It's all very useful information, because it gathers our collective experiences to tell us what the numbers might not.  The more opinions the better.  As usual, the A's have one of the smallest response pools in the Fan Scouting report.  For every evaluation of an A's player, there are a zillion for the Mariners and Red Sox and Yankees!

Read the instructions first...

...and fill out the Fan Scouting Report for the A's!

But this is important: be honest in your evaluations.  This isn't a ballot-stuffing contest. (For those of you who have been around AN long enough, we're not trying to beat blue-grey sky here.) This is an attempt to use the collective knowledge of the best-informed baseball fans our there to help us identify fielding skill.  Thanks for helping Tango out in his project, which I think is the most creative and informative collective-wisdom projects in the blogosphere.

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Always a worthy effort...

Thanks for the heads-up, Sal.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Sep 1, 2010 11:19 AM PDT reply actions  

I've always been skeptical of this project

1) Does it actually tell us anything useful? Do the fan numbers improve our ability to project defensive value going forward more accurately than using regressed metrics would? Do the fan numbers improve our ability to evaluate past fielding performance beyond the metrics? How do we know?

2) No one here has opinions on fielding prowess that are wholly independent of metrics and commentators.

by Danny on Sep 1, 2010 11:56 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

#2 is an excellent point.

Reading AN or other blogs has an effect on one’s opinions as well.

I’m still waiting for xbox to post the gif of the shocked guy opening the door now that salb918 has made an appearance.

"We've come a long way, and I'm not talking about Virginia Slims, either." - Art Howe

by EastCoastA on Sep 2, 2010 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

2) yes

but when doing the evaluation, don’t look at the numbers.
We can’t throw away our knowledge of the numbers, but we can avoid refreshing them before evaluating.

And can we remember things like the bad routes Patterson (?) took to balls during Dallas Braden’s P.G. and compare that to other slick fielding players.

by MobiusKlein on Sep 3, 2010 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know if I physically watch enough games to do the report

I don’t have MLB.TV, and I’m pretty far off. Sometimes I watch A’s games with friends who do have the package, but I don’t.

I want to though.

Needs moar dingerz.

by Blicks on Sep 1, 2010 7:51 PM PDT reply actions  

this is my problem. I don't watch the games enough to have an unbiased opinion.

What we’re asking is for people to stop pretending that ipse dixit counts as a "source." When you make a claim about baseball, you should be willing to put some reasonable amount of effort into explaining why it’s correct if someone asks you to. That’s basic respect for the other poster. - PT

by designatedforassignment on Sep 5, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wait, are you implying
This isn’t a ballot-stuffing contest.

that some other things we’re asked to vote in are ballot-stuffing contests??

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

by iglew on Sep 2, 2010 1:53 PM PDT reply actions  

I think the Ford C. Frick thing actually is

“Vote once a day!”

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 3, 2010 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hi, sal.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Sep 2, 2010 4:10 PM PDT reply actions  

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